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Saturday, August 2, 2014 2:14 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


And rappy really, really needs to look for the corresponding information about Israel.

But, if anyone decides to look for it on their own, I recommend something non-google, like maybe
https://startpage.com/ or
https://ixquick.com/ or
https://duckduckgo.com/ or
http://gibiru.com/

Just in case anyone takes an interest in YOUR interest.






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Saturday, August 2, 2014 2:39 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And rappy really, really needs to look for the corresponding information about Israel.

You forget- Crappy doesn't believe in climate change because he doesn't SEE it from where he is. He won't believe in undue Israeli aggression because he doesn't SEE it from where he is.

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Saturday, August 2, 2014 4:45 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Too easy, doll face.

Only as many as needed, and no more.

Next !

A number, ya maroon. Go get a NUMBER. Seriously. Get this information. You keep telling us about "how many" rockets Hamas fires, so HOW MANY (a number) rockets does Israel fire? What you will find will surprise you, and everyone else here (except me, because I already looked). You'll be the info hero of the day!



No. I don't need to get a number. Ya know why ? Because Israel didn't start this. Israel isn't attacking anyone. Israel isn't digging tunnels w/ HUMANITARIAN MATERIAL w/ the intent to kill and kidnap civilians.

Idiot.

ETA - I will amend my prior answer to NOT ENOUGH.

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Saturday, August 2, 2014 4:52 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
A number, ya maroon. Go get a NUMBER.

2500 rockets from Hamas & 3 people killed. Wow. Effective & deadly arsenal there. World class threat. They must be crushed. I mean more crushed.



According to Wiki ( I know , super reliable ) Pedia, 500,000 Japanese civilians died in WW2 as a result of direct military action.

How many NON Merchant Marine civilians died for the USofA ? About 2,500.

So spare me this fucking PHONY ass equivalency bullshit when it comes to total deaths as some how being morality barometer. It means NOTHING !

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Saturday, August 2, 2014 4:56 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Israel didn't start this.

Excuse me?
So the Palestinians just INVITED folks in to live with them, slowly take more & more of their land, choke off their ability to prosper, even survive, then just started getting angry for no reason?? Is that it then?
You won't answer this, I know. Because all you can do is evade & deny. No, you don't need numbers, just a 'side' to be on, to cheerlead for, and to smother yourself in.
Malcolm Reynolds is a terrorist, y'know. Piss pot.

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Saturday, August 2, 2014 4:57 PM

OLDENGLANDDRY

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Saturday, August 2, 2014 5:01 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
So spare me this fucking PHONY ass equivalency bullshit when it comes to total deaths as some how being morality barometer. It means NOTHING !

I didn't post it as a morality barometer, you pathetic asshole, it was to show how much of a deadly threat they AREN'T. Even Israeli officials have stated that. Yet they ARE a threat. Best of both worlds here: a threat enough to pound the shit out of, but not enough of a threat to actually cause much death- ideal conflict conditions, eh?

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Saturday, August 2, 2014 5:06 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
http://blogs.channel4.com/paul-mason-blog/gaza-health-crisis-looms-tra
pped-civilians/2024

With all the social media & instant streaming the world is starting to become acutely aware that no matter what they think of HAMAS, Israel is demonstrating that they reject the words of God in favour of actions the Devil himself would most approve of.
Another tipping point imminent...

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Saturday, August 2, 2014 5:29 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Israel didn't start this.

Excuse me?
So the Palestinians just INVITED folks in to live with them, slowly take more & more of their land, choke off their ability to prosper, even survive, then just started getting angry for no reason?? Is that it then?

You won't answer this, I know. Because all you can do is evade & deny. No, you don't need numbers, just a 'side' to be on, to cheerlead for, and to smother yourself in.
Malcolm Reynolds is a terrorist, y'know. Piss pot.



Jews were already there, numb nuts. And they slowly BOUGHT the land, legal and such. The only ones keeping the Palestinians from prospering are Hamas. And yes, they did start lobbing rockets for no gorram reason.

I'm sorry, I was too busy answering you to bother w/ anything else you were yammering on about and such.

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Saturday, August 2, 2014 5:33 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
So spare me this fucking PHONY ass equivalency bullshit when it comes to total deaths as some how being morality barometer. It means NOTHING !

I didn't post it as a morality barometer, you pathetic asshole, it was to show how much of a deadly threat they AREN'T. Even Israeli officials have stated that. Yet they ARE a threat. Best of both worlds here: a threat enough to pound the shit out of, but not enough of a threat to actually cause much death- ideal conflict conditions, eh?



Less of a threat when there's the Iron Dome security system, but no one is stupid enough to think that 2000 Kassam rockets fired at a populated are " no threat ".

Or the hundreds of tunnels built to conduct raids in Israel, including suicide bombing and kidnappings.

Pathetic ass hole.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, August 2, 2014 5:39 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I dont live in Israel



Very well, point taken. But my reply was to point out that, even in Israel, where the far Left wing commonly goes against the use of force by the IDF during such battles w/ Hamas, THIS TIME they are supporting the actions of the IDF. They, as are all those in Israel, are sick and tired of having missiles lobbed at their homes and businesses, 30-40 times a day, all day long, and want it stopped.

Amazing that even the Left , THERE IN ISRAEL , have finally seen the light.

Also, there's this nugget, from CNN.

Enjoy.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/31/world/meast/israel-gaza-region/

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, August 2, 2014 7:43 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Jews were already there, numb nuts. And they slowly BOUGHT the land, legal and such.

Yes, to a point. After the late Sixties it was felt that they needed breathing room (sound familiar?) so settlement started, you know, as in possession is nine points of the law? Then the walls, then the choking off of supplies. You say Israel has a right to defend itself. But the Palestinians do not have the right to NOT live like maltreated prisoners behind walls? Yes, HAMAS is a force for continued violence, but so is any occupation of their land.
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And yes, they did start lobbing rockets for no gorram reason.
So, they just want to be pounded on by more sophisticated weaponry, is that it?

I'm certain your black and white interpretation of a very complex and emotionally jagged situation gives you great comfort, but thankfully most of the REST OF THE WORLD can see the truth of it a bit better.

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Saturday, August 2, 2014 8:28 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Iron Dome or not, I'm sure all the Hamas apologists in the world would just love to live their lives while under constant missile attacks. After all, it's really just a minor inconvenience to have to flee with your children into a bomb shelter every 20 minutes, isn't it?


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Saturday, August 2, 2014 8:41 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Iron Dome or not, I'm sure all the Hamas apologists in the world would just love to live their lives while under constant missile attacks. After all, it's really just a minor inconvenience to have to flee with your children into a bomb shelter every 20 minutes, isn't it?


Actually, I'd say it's better that being intentionally kept at near malnutrition levels... but that's just me.

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Saturday, August 2, 2014 9:24 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Iron Dome or not, I'm sure all the Hamas apologists in the world would just love to live their lives while under constant missile attacks. After all, it's really just a minor inconvenience to have to flee with your children into a bomb shelter every 20 minutes, isn't it?


Actually, I'd say it's better that being intentionally kept at near malnutrition levels... but that's just me.


If Hamas/PA used the billions they get in aid for things like food and medicine instead of using it to buy missiles, rocket launchers, AK 47s, and to build terror tunnels, the Palestinians wouldn't have any malnutrition.

"...but that's just me." Yeah, I've seen your posts today. Too bad you've joined the ranks of the useful idiots that Hamas counts on in their PR efforts.

But don't take my word for it. Here's a new interview with the son of the Hamas founder.


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Saturday, August 2, 2014 10:21 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Pure unfiltered evil started its attacks early this morning. First HAMAS rockets let fly @ 4:13 A.M. local time.

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Saturday, August 2, 2014 10:25 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by chrisisall:

So, they just want to be pounded on by more sophisticated weaponry, is that it?



Pretty much, yes. They love death ( of Jews and even their own ) more than the Jews love life.

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I'm certain your black and white interpretation of a very complex and emotionally jagged situation gives you great comfort, but thankfully most of the REST OF THE WORLD can see the truth of it a bit better.




It ain't that complex.


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Saturday, August 2, 2014 11:34 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Don't put rockets in schools, schools won't be targeted.
Pretty simple, actually.


Wait... what? Are you really implying that Hamas managed to put rockets into a UN-administered school?

Seriously???



Yep.

The controversial U.N. agency that found rockets in its Gaza schools

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/01/war-in-ga
za-the-controversial-un-agency-that-found-rockets-in-its-schools
/


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Sunday, August 3, 2014 12:48 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Here's a new interview with the son of the Hamas founder.


Okay, I get it already, HAMAS is bad. No brainer.
But fucking over the Palestinian people to get to them (also bad) should be a no brainer as well.
Bottom line: oppress a people and bad stuff happens. I'm not gonna find & post all the shit Israel has done because you won't believe it. Hell, you wouldn't even watch it. You know & accept all the shit HAMAS has done.
You have picked your players, you back them, cheer them on. It's a game to you dickheads, like a movie or something.

NONE of you have taken ANYTHING useful away from Firefly/Serenity but that Jayne is cool, and Mal is a dick.

I'm kind of ashamed of what my fellow man is capable of descending to, but it is the way of things to make one's self feel better about violence. Kill the pig, kill the tyrant, kill the dissenter, kill the certain race.... it's all an ends to a mean.

Heston had a good solution in Beneath.

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Sunday, August 3, 2014 3:12 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Your conclusion is sound. I also don't like seeing women and children killed. When Hamas is neutralized there will be peace.



You do realise that the state of Israel was brought about by terrorist actions.

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In February 1947, the British announced that they would end the mandate and withdraw from Palestine and they asked the arbitration of the United Nations. After the vote of the Partition Plan for Palestine on 30 November 1947, civil war broke out in Palestine. Jewish and Arab communities fought each other violently in campaigns of attacks, retaliations and counter-retaliations which provoked around 800 deaths after two months. Arab volunteers entered Palestine to fight alongside the Palestinian Arabs after the Deir Yassin massacre, a massacre of Arab villagers committed by Jewish militia. In April, 6 weeks before the termination of the Mandate, the Jewish militias launched wide operations to control the territory dedicated to them by the Partition Plan.[citation needed] Many atrocities occurred during this time. The Arab population in the mixed cities of Tiberias, Safed, Haifa, Jaffa, Beisan and Acre and in the neighbouring villages fled or were expelled during this period. During the Battle for Jerusalem (1948) where the Jewish community of 100,000 people was besieged, most Arab villages of the Tel Aviv – Jerusalem corridor were captured by Jewish militias and leveled. Those members of the Arab population who had not fled were expelled or killed.[citation needed]

At the beginning of the civil war, the Jewish militias organized several bombing attacks against civilians and military Arab targets. On 12 December, Irgun placed a car bomb opposite the Damascus Gate, killing 20 people.[10] On 4 January 1948, the Lehi detonated a lorry bomb against the headquarters of the paramilitary Najjada located in Jaffa's Town Hall, killing 15 Arabs and injuring 80.[10][11] During the night between 5 and 6 January, the Haganah bombed the Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem that had been reported to hide Arab militiamen, killing 24 people.[12] The next day, Irgun members in a stolen police van rolled a barrel bomb[13] into a large group of civilians who were waiting for a bus by the Jaffa Gate, killing around 16.[14] Another Irgun bomb went off in the Ramla market on February 18, killing 7 residents and injuring 45.[15] On 28 February, the Palmah organised a bombing attack against a garage at Haifa, killing 30 people.[16]



Dont get me wrong, I actually have plenty of sympathy for the Jewish people who founded Israel and their reasons for doing so, but you can't say that this has been a one sided conflict. Israel has one of the most sophisticated militaries in the world, well supported by the USA. They are a prosperous country. Palestinians are stateless, living in what amounts to be a large refugee camp, in poverty. And yes, there are militants who want annihalation of the other, both sides use this rhetoric. There are also plenty of people who want to live along side of one another in peace, but their voices are, as usual, shouted down when hostilities commence.

I feel for the people of this region and hope they can find some peace some day. How that might happen, better minds than mine have struggled to find a solution.

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Sunday, August 3, 2014 7:39 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:

Yep.

The controversial U.N. agency that found rockets in its Gaza schools

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/01/war-in-ga
za-the-controversial-un-agency-that-found-rockets-in-its-schools
/



Oops.

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Sunday, August 3, 2014 10:08 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Jews were already there, numb nuts. And they slowly BOUGHT the land, legal and such. The only ones keeping the Palestinians from prospering are Hamas. And yes, they did start lobbing rockets for no gorram reason.

I'm sorry, I was too busy answering you to bother w/ anything else you were yammering on about and such.

And, of course, it was the Palestinians who blockaded themselves into a tiny strip of land and made it impossible for themselves to prosper by denying themselves not only land crossings to Egypt and Israel, but also a deep water port. It was the Palestinians who restricted their own food and fuel, and who destroyed their own olive groves and fields. It was the Palestinians who gave up their land to Jewish settlements.

Rappy, every day in every way, you prove what an ignoramus you are!

Everybody in the world- except the United States- realizes what Israel is doing is illegal.

You were foaming at the mouth about Saddam and his ultimate sin of defying UN mandates, which had to be punished with death and destruction? Do you have even a clue as to how many humanitarian UN mandates ISRAEL has ignored???

ISRAELI DEFENSE FORCES SHOOT AT FARMERS HARVESTING PARSLEY
It looks like "varmint hunting" as far as the IDF is concerned. Clearly, the Palestinians have no reason to be pissed off.





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So, did you at least look for the number of UN rockets?

Since you didn't bring that info to the thread, I'm going to ask everyone else, establish the wisdom of the internet, and get that figure for us. But, as before, I really recommend using an anonymized search tool for this particular task

https://startpage.com/
https://ixquick.com/
http://gibiru.com/







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Sunday, August 3, 2014 10:47 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


OH, BTW Geezer... the article that you link to is simply drumming up a "controversy" about the UNWR agency when no controversy exists. If you look at who the article lists as critics, and also follow the links, you will find link after link to the Israeli government and its mouthpieces.

And what did they find so "controversial"? That an agency spokesperson cried about dead children?

OMFG!!! The man has a shred of empathy left, and it's not just for The Jews!!!!


Well, of course the Israeli government finds this agency "controversial"! It provides aid to a group of people that Israel would prefer to genocide.

Genocide Is Permissible" Muses Times Of Israel, Promptly Retracts
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-01/genocide-permissible-muses-ti
mes-israel-promptly-retracts


Whether the Times of Israel retracts the article or not, it's clear that Israel is, at the least, practicing collective punishment, if not outright genocide, both of which are recognized war crimes. The controversy over Israel is far, far greater than that over UNWRA.

BY the one, one of the critics of UNWRA was David Horovitz, editor of the Times of Israel, the very paper which opened the door of "permissible genocide".

As far as those rockets- if you read further into the text, it says

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It’s still unclear how, exactly, rockets appeared inside the agency’s schools. Gunness told The Post that the schools were closed for the summer, and he called the discovery “unprecedented,” saying, “We’re in new territory here.”


A less biased source would have continued with the remainder of the info: the schools that were shelled by Israel, which were housing refugees, DID NOT contain rockets.

The schools which had the rockets discovered in them were EMPTY.

The UNWRA had provided the IDF with the exact coordinates of the refugee-filled schools at least three times before they were shelled by Israel.

You're a small, small man.

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Sunday, August 3, 2014 1:25 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
OH, BTW Geezer... the article that you link to is simply drumming up a "controversy" about the UNWR agency when no controversy exists.






Gorram, I don't wanta be on Geezer's side here.

But the referenced article is CORRECT about the full name of the agency. According to Wikipedia, at least ( and of course, Wikipedia could be biased or propagandized. Being editable by anyone does diminish its reliability as an authoritative source, especially when it prints something that someone referring to it doesn't want to accept.)

UNRWA's full title is ( Pardon me, I'm gonna have to go back and check thsi, will edit it in a few minutes.) E-T-A: "United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East" , 10:28 AM. That right there suggests an appearance of bias. According to Wikipedia , 99 % of its employees are Palestinians. That might suggest a bias. And if they don't know what's going on in their own schools, that suggests that they are either incompetent or are lying about what they know is going on, using plausible deniability as a cover for their official neutrality.

And, Hey, Sig, why do you keep referring to it as UNWRA, instead of its correct abbreviation UNRWA. Careless of you, you're usually much better than that. It's one of the things I generally respect about you.

Back in a few...

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Sunday, August 3, 2014 2:12 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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And, Hey, Sig, why do you keep referring to it as UNWRA, instead of its correct abbreviation UNRWA.
Because I just washed my hands and I can't do a thing with them? Boy, you should see my typing BEFORE spell-checking!

I read another article, I think I linked it here somehwere, which has a much better narrative of what's going on. Apparently, the school (at the time, there was only one) where they found the rockets was shuttered, and not actively being used for sheltering refugees. AFTER the school which was housing refugees was shelled, the administrator (who I got the impression worked directly for the UN) went to inspect the other schools and found the rockets. He was very upset, and reported them right away.

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Sunday, August 3, 2014 2:51 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



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And, of course, it was the Palestinians who blockaded themselves into a tiny strip of land and made it impossible for themselves to prosper by denying themselves not only land crossings to Egypt and Israel, but also a deep water port. It was the Palestinians who restricted their own food and fuel, and who destroyed their own olive groves and fields. It was the Palestinians who gave up their land to Jewish settlements.


Actually, it was. Actions have consequences. Fire rockets and sending suicide bombers into someone's cities, they're gonna blockade your ass. And rightfully so.

Israel left them all manner of ag resources for the Pals to thrive, and they destroyed it, just out of pure spite. Morons.

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Everybody in the world- except the United States- realizes what Israel is doing is illegal.



And by 'everybody ', you include those who think that firing 1000's of Kassam rockets INTO Israel is fully legal and justified? Sorry, them laws ain't kosher.

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Sunday, August 3, 2014 2:52 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Latest Palestinian propaganda victory in Gaza:
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Gaza death toll climbs after strike near U.N.-run school


'Vicinity' of U.N. school in Gaza struck by shelling, officials say
By Matthew Chance, Samira Said and Steve Almasy, CNN
August 3, 2014 -- Updated 1812 GMT (0212 HKT)



http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/03/world/meast/mideast-crisis/index.htm
l?hpt=hp_t1



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Jerusalem (CNN) -- The United Nations on Sunday called a deadly strike near a U.N. school in southern Gaza a "moral outrage and a criminal act."

At least 10 people at the school, which was being used as a shelter for about 3,000 people, were killed in the shelling.




The "The Jews attacked a neutral UN run school" story worked so well, now they can be blamed for attacking "near" a school, or casualties "at" a school. The earlier version of the story had a Palestinian crowd gathering outside the school at market stalls to buy food and treats.

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Sunday, August 3, 2014 2:59 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Morons.

Ha ha ha ha, you're pissed 'cause you totally bought that bogus nuclear device story; I can tell! Ha ha ha ha ha....

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Sunday, August 3, 2014 4:44 PM

OLDENGLANDDRY

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Sunday, August 3, 2014 4:48 PM

THGRRI


Did Arabs steal Moses 'clothes, or who was there first?

Alter many months of the political maneuvering and beating about the bush, the delegations of Israel and of the palestinian arabs finally decided to meet and clear out,who CAME to Palestine first and, consequently, who has more right to it.

So, the delegations sat at their table , and waited for the speaker to announce the first to speak. And at this moment , the head of the Israeli delegation asked if the Arabs, while they were waiting, would like to listen a Bible legend. Arabs said- why not?

Many- many centuries ago, started the Israeli, Moses led the People of Israel from Egypt. They wondered in the desert for many years, became very thirsty and the people started to get desperate about water . And here – Lo! A Miracle! A river with crystal-clear water appeared before the Jews! They drank heartily, and then took off their clothes , ran into the river and started to swim. Of course, Moses was with his people. When, some half an hour later , Moses got out of the water, he did not find his clothes.

Who stole my clothes???,- cried Moses in thundering voice
It was Arabs,- answered the Jews .

At this moment, the head of the Arab delegation stood up infuriated and cried :
“It´s a dirty Zionist lie! At that time, there was not a single Arab around there”

“This is exactly what I wanted to remind you” ,- answered the Jew. “And now- we can start to talk about who was first on this land ”.

The Jew in this conversation was Menachem Begin and the Arab was Arafat. At Camp David with Jimmy Carter.

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Sunday, August 3, 2014 5:37 PM

OLDENGLANDDRY

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Sunday, August 3, 2014 5:50 PM

CHRISISALL



http://normanfinkelstein.com/2014/13359/
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there are 4.2 Palestinian casualties per hour … More than one-quarter of the dead are children; over half are women and children. The Israel Defense Forces admitted that 70 percent are civilians, the UN says that 80 percent are, but from what I saw at Shifa, over 90 percent are civilians. That means we are speaking of a massacre of the civilian population.


Only a deluded, cold, piece of shit would see this as a good thing, as something the Palestinians deserve for the actions of HAMAS. It's disgusting how numbers matter when convenient, but not HERE. The Israeli GOVERNMENT is doing a fine impression of those who once subjugated the Jewish people.

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Sunday, August 3, 2014 10:58 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Did Arabs steal Moses 'clothes, or who was there first?

Alter many months of the political maneuvering and beating about the bush, the delegations of Israel and of the palestinian arabs finally decided to meet and clear out,who CAME to Palestine first and, consequently, who has more right to it.

So, the delegations sat at their table , and waited for the speaker to announce the first to speak. And at this moment , the head of the Israeli delegation asked if the Arabs, while they were waiting, would like to listen a Bible legend. Arabs said- why not?

Many- many centuries ago, started the Israeli, Moses led the People of Israel from Egypt. They wondered in the desert for many years, became very thirsty and the people started to get desperate about water . And here – Lo! A Miracle! A river with crystal-clear water appeared before the Jews! They drank heartily, and then took off their clothes , ran into the river and started to swim. Of course, Moses was with his people. When, some half an hour later , Moses got out of the water, he did not find his clothes.

Who stole my clothes???,- cried Moses in thundering voice
It was Arabs,- answered the Jews .

At this moment, the head of the Arab delegation stood up infuriated and cried :
“It´s a dirty Zionist lie! At that time, there was not a single Arab around there”

“This is exactly what I wanted to remind you” ,- answered the Jew. “And now- we can start to talk about who was first on this land ”.

The Jew in this conversation was Menachem Begin and the Arab was Arafat. At Camp David with Jimmy Carter.



wow, a 'who got here first' conversation.

Last time I checked countries like the US, Australia, New Zealand and many parts of the world are governed by people who got here pretty damned recently and the original inhabitznts live by their rules, pretty much.

If we all had to go back to where we came from originally, and gave original inhabitants soveriegn rights, that would be some big, big changes. Everyone is looking for their chosen land, everyone's been uprooted from their home. Thus is the history of human migration.

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Sunday, August 3, 2014 11:23 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
If we all had to go back to where we came from originally, and gave original inhabitants sovereign rights, that would be some big, big changes.

MD, you are messing with entrenched institutional junk here...

And I agree.

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Monday, August 4, 2014 12:04 AM

AURAPTOR

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Chrissy = full blown nazi loving anti Semite nut job.

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Monday, August 4, 2014 12:13 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Chrissy = full blown nazi loving anti Semite nut job.

Crappy = full blown Nazi, period.
No torture, no climate change, no subjugation of people- all bullshit, all the time.
You lose on the world stage, but you win constantly in your own little convoluted & hateful mind. Love eludes you. It's why you live on the Dark Side.

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Monday, August 4, 2014 6:20 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Chrissy = full blown nazi loving anti Semite nut job.

Crappy = full blown Nazi, period.
No torture, no climate change, no subjugation of people- all bullshit, all the time.
You lose on the world stage, but you win constantly in your own little convoluted & hateful mind. Love eludes you. It's why you live on the Dark Side.

\



Your ignorance of damn near everything is what allows you to even THINK of typing that go-se.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, August 4, 2014 8:47 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

…. MAGONSDAUGHTER
wow, a 'who got here first' conversation.
Last time I checked countries like the US, Australia, New Zealand and many parts of the world are governed by people who got here pretty damned recently and the original inhabitznts live by their rules, pretty much.
If we all had to go back to where we came from originally, and gave original inhabitants soveriegn rights, that would be some big, big changes. Everyone is looking for their chosen land, everyone's been uprooted from their home. Thus is the history of human migration.



This is a story I heard retold by Zbigniew Brzezinski who was National Security Advisor to Jimmy Carter, and who had a seat at the table. It was told by Menachem Begin to all present including Arafat at the beginning of the talks. Arafat played into Begins hands with his comments about there being no such thing as a Palestinian back when Mosses clothes were stolen. Begin said ah ha, now we can start.

The difference here from what you imply about indigenous people falling prey to outsiders is, this shows the Israelis where there first and in this case the Indigenous peoples won out.



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Monday, August 4, 2014 9:00 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Yeah, I know


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Monday, August 4, 2014 10:26 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



So the siren alarms on my phone blare away from pre- dawn ( local ) til dusk, every single day. Thankfully I can turn off the app, and get some sleep or what ever. But it's striking to realize that's life in Israel these days.

And to think, this latest spree of violence started after Israel caught the murderers of 1 Palestinian teen, while those who kills 3 Israelis escape justice.

Makes ya think , don't it ?

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Monday, August 4, 2014 11:57 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I can't believe there's an argument going on about "who was there first", and the answers were restricted to Jews and Arabs!

What about the ancient Greeks, Hittites, Phoenicians, Egyptians, etc? One needs only to search inhabitants+ancient+Palestine in order to see the TRUE "original inhabitants", although I imagine there were peoples living in the area before even then.

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HAS ANYONE FOUND THAT NUMBER YET, of the number of missiles (and mortars, if you're feeling ambitious) that ISRAEL fires into GAZA???

The reason why I ask is because

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I looked, using a number of search terms and search engines including google, and that answer is nowhere to be found. It's been scrubbed off the internet. The ONLY information that keeps popping up is number of Hamas rockets, number of rockets from Gaza fired into Israel.

This is the second search that I've come up completely empty. (The first was also a military matter.) Prove me wrong! If you think YOU can find it, I challenge you!

Surely that information exists SOMEWHERE. But it's been censored out of existence. There must be a bunch of busy students, scrub-scrub-scrubbing the inet of all traces of Israeli firing on Palestinians! The NSA might also be involved; apparently they work hand-in-glove with Israeli intelligence. "New Snowden Document Implies NSA May Be Putting Israel’s Security Ahead of America’s"

One of the reasons why it's easy to feel so very sympathetic towards Israel is because the Israeli government is so very good at getting out it's side of the story, and suppressing anything else. Then they beat their breasts Oh woe is us! on a tide of one-sided reporting.

You'll notice there's no such equivalent of an app for your phone with which you can hear the warnings on the GAZA side of the conflict. This is yet another example of one-sided reporting, which is a favorite tool of propagandists everywhere. You can detect one-sided reporting - if you have a mind to- by simply asking yourself if you're hearing the exact equivalent of information about all sides concerned. If you're not, see if you can find it. If you can't, you've just stumbled over internet censorship. Just try to use non-google search engines if you think you're looking for sensitive information.

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Monday, August 4, 2014 12:13 PM

OLDENGLANDDRY

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Monday, August 4, 2014 2:54 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Sig - the answer to the question which SHOULD be asked, and that you're avoiding, is how many are fired with the same intent - that being to kill and terrorize as many civilians as possible - as the missiles / mortars which HAMAS are firing into Israel.

That answer is ZERO.

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Monday, August 4, 2014 3:04 PM

THGRRI


History of Israel

Israel is associated with the earliest stage in the history of humanity by the "Galilee Skull", while recent excavations in Jericho have produced the oldest evidence of organized city life.

The first known inhabitants of Israel in historic times were the Canaanites from whom the land long took its name. By c. 3000-2500 BCE the inhabitants seem to have been largely Semitic speaking; they introduced the use of bronze and developed cities. The Bible mentions seven tribes which dominated the country. The long struggle for its control between the South (Egypt) and the North (Assyria), which - in varying political forms - was to dominate the local scene down to the 19th cent. had already begun at this time. The country was now divided into large numbers of warring city-states ruled over by petty "kings."

http://eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/israel.html



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Monday, August 4, 2014 3:36 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
how many are fired with the same intent - that being to kill and terrorize as many civilians as possible - as the missiles / mortars which HAMAS are firing into Israel.

That answer is ZERO.

I'm back to where I was with you during the waterboarding days. You're a slimy little fascist punk, an intentionally ignorant misanthrope, and a poseur-freedom-lover to boot.
But you're a very good Nazi, I suppose that counts for something.

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Monday, August 4, 2014 3:50 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


You who sides w/ those who wants to genocide the Jews calling ANYONE a 'nazi' is cute.

Sad, pathetic and effing warped, but because it's you...it's also cute.

Ease up on the glue sniffin for a while, mmmkay ? Me thinks your brain has gone wrong. WAY wrong.

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Monday, August 4, 2014 4:01 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

You who sides w/ those who wants to genocide the Jews calling ANYONE a 'nazi' is cute.

Sad, pathetic and effing warped, but because it's you...it's also cute.

Ease up on the glue sniffin for a while, mmmkay ? Me thinks your brain has gone wrong. WAY wrong.


Forget it. He's a hopeless cause. Damn shame too. Oh well, see you in the funnies.

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Monday, August 4, 2014 4:05 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
You who sides w/ those who wants to genocide the Jews

Having a little trouble here, see, my English is okay, but my Strawman is a little rusty.
So, I'm siding with them that want to wipe out Jews? That's interesting, because I've made it plain that I hold HAMAS in low regard. But it was worth a shot I guess, as you don't have much else.
I side with the Palestinian PEOPLE, the Jewish PEOPLE, and the American PEOPLE. The self-serving and manipulative governments can kiss my ass.

Back to you, dickhead.

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Monday, August 4, 2014 4:56 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Gaza?
I keep hearing news reports that super genius Secretary Swiftboat Ketchup has arranged peace to end all peaces, meaning unfettered offensive terrorist activities by Hamasians, while Israel promises to stop shooting while Hamas attacks Jew civilians.
Then when Hamas fully sets up their terrorist attacks and breaks the cease fire, libtard MSM reports to us that Israel has broken the cease-fire, and refuses to stop defending themselves. How on earth will Hamas ever be able to annihilate those dang Jews if the Jews won't stop defending themselves? Not only that, but they are using a version of Ronny Raygun's Star Wars movie to defend themselves to boot!! Why can't those dang Jews just lay down their weapons un6til they are all dead, then Obamination and Swiftboat Ketchup will finally be happy, and get all that support from Obamination's Islamofascist buddies to complete his 3rd term in office.
THAT Gaza?

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Monday, August 4, 2014 5:04 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I can't believe there's an argument going on about "who was there first", and the answers were restricted to Jews and Arabs!

What about the ancient Greeks, Hittites, Phoenicians, Egyptians, etc? One needs only to search inhabitants+ancient+Palestine in order to see the TRUE "original inhabitants", although I imagine there were peoples living in the area before even then.

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I wasn;t arguing with GSTGSDFR I was pointing out I dont think its a good argument anyway

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