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Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:41 PM

THGRRI


This is easy. It is what we always do. We know the socialist countries will do nothing so we will assist in any way we can. Then we will be accused of creating the situation in the first place. Like always....

How about when you start a thread OLDENGLANDDRY you offer an opinion as well and not just a link.

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Wednesday, August 6, 2014 2:20 PM

OLDENGLANDDRY


The information is there for discussion, my opinion is irrelevant.

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Wednesday, August 6, 2014 4:17 PM

THGRRI


If you are not going to participate in a discussion, why start it?


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Thursday, August 7, 2014 2:09 PM

THGRRI


like I said. We will do what America always does, help.

Pentagon considers air drops to 15,000 Iraq refugees fleeing ISIS

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pentagon-considers-air-drops-to-15000-iraq
-refugees-fleeing-isis
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Thursday, August 7, 2014 3:13 PM

CHRISISALL


Can't we just invade & free the people (again)?

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Thursday, August 7, 2014 5:29 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Can't we just invade & free the people (again)?


Didn't Obamination promise to stay out of there?

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Thursday, August 7, 2014 7:35 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Can't we just invade & free the people (again)?



I'm just glad we're living in the most peaceful period of human history. Makes me feel all shiny inside.

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Thursday, August 7, 2014 11:04 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'm just glad we're living in the most peaceful period of human history.

Less quantity of pain than in the past doesn't mean that present pain hurts any less on an individual basis...

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Thursday, August 7, 2014 11:21 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


I'm just glad we're living in the most peaceful period of human history. Makes me feel all shiny inside.



During WW11, the Russians lost 20 million or more. 6 million Jews were sent to gas chambers, and two atomic bombs were dropped on Japan. Do you know anything about the history of the world? Or is it just in your nature to not understand the context in which Obama was speaking.


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Friday, August 8, 2014 12:37 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Dude... WW2 was almost 60 years ago.

I think the context in which Obama was speaking was a 10 minute time span from the moment he said those words. In all seriousness, with what is going on all across the world, Barry's comment was a monumental gaffe. If Dan Quayle or Sarah Palin had said it, the MSM would be going ballistic in their indignation, and how uncaring and lacking in empathy it was to ever say.

SNL would likely have reoccurring skits on it.

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Friday, August 8, 2014 1:08 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Dude... WW2 was almost 60 years ago.

I think the context in which Obama was speaking was a 10 minute time span from the moment he said those words. In all seriousness, with what is going on all across the world, Barry's comment was a monumental gaffe. If Dan Quayle or Sarah Palin had said it, the MSM would be going ballistic in their indignation, and how uncaring and lacking in empathy it was to ever say.

SNL would likely have reoccurring skits on it.



Holly shit you crack me up. Obama says through out history and you say dude, WW11 was sixty years ago. No, rap you don't understand what he is talking about. So I will explain it to you. Through out history means today and the past. We have people who post on these threads that are well over 60.

Sometimes you have to remind people of the past so they can put today into context. Each new generation wants to suggest they live in or are going through a defining moment in history. That it is somehow worse today than it ever was before. So I will say it again.

WW11 saw 20 million Russians with 6 million Jews killed and two nuclear bombs go off in Japan, and that was not the half of it. How many Germans, French, English and Americans lost their lives. How many from the Middle East or Asia? Many today can't believe the destruction in Gaza. I'd remind there was not a city in all of Europe that didn't look worse. I say try and keep some perspective here, which was Obamas point.


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Friday, August 8, 2014 3:29 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


History - At the beginning, when the Bush Administration (remember those guys) started this whole fiasco, little did Obama know that he would be thrust into the middle of this mess in the Middle East.

Yes, he did campaign to be out of there. But this is a humanitarian crisis!
It's funny how thousands of miles away, an ocean apart, there's a situation that calls for the world's response, yet, unlike in the Central American humanitarian effort, people are calling for a response to help those poor folk. I think both needs to be addressed in a timely manner.

Young girls, in both instances, are being hauled off and raped by the gangs/terrorists. Little children are being starved and dehydrated to death. To me, there's no difference. Go in and blast away, I say. Fuck the ISIS!

But wait, aren't they the Sunnis that were tortured and mistreated by the Shiite's. The Shiite's were propped up by the US to be in charge as long as elections were held. Of course, that went well. Hmmmm, and people wonder why America is hated in that region. I remember watching MSNBC and hearing the experts say that Bush had no exit plan for Iraq (hell, he had no entrance plan either). That is the crux of the matter...........no plan.

And still no trace of WMDs. Lucky for us there aren't any.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Can't we just invade & free the people (again)?


Didn't Obamination promise to stay out of there?


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Friday, August 8, 2014 3:30 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

This is easy. It is what we always do. We know the socialist countries will do nothing so we will assist in any way we can. Then we will be accused of creating the situation in the first place. Like always....
I think we should bomb them! Shock and awe... that always works for... well, something...!

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Friday, August 8, 2014 4:02 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY

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Friday, August 8, 2014 8:30 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


WW2, which was almost 60 years ago, was also the biggest war humanity has seen. YOU trying to suggest that, hey , things aren't as bad now as they were then, doesn't say very much. War and violence have broken out across N.Africa and the Middle East. Ukraine too. There's civil unrest in Europe and S. America. N.Korea is a giant concentration camp, and China is rattling sabres over in the far East.

Obama's point is almost laughable.

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Friday, August 8, 2014 12:54 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

This is easy. It is what we always do. We know the socialist countries will do nothing so we will assist in any way we can. Then we will be accused of creating the situation in the first place. Like always....
I think we should bomb them! Shock and awe... that always works for... well, something...!



I can't believe this one. Obama approved air strikes, and the US military carried them out, like, same day. One of the fastest decisions in American history, and certainly the fastest of the Obama administration. Sorta a token response, only 2 planes, but it's still impressive, time-wise.

Good idea or not, still not sure on that.

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Friday, August 8, 2014 2:18 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
WW2, which was almost 60 years ago, was also the biggest war humanity has seen. YOU trying to suggest that, hey , things aren't as bad now as they were then, doesn't say very much. War and violence have broken out across N.Africa and the Middle East. Ukraine too. There's civil unrest in Europe and S. America. N.Korea is a giant concentration camp, and China is rattling sabres over in the far East.

Obama's point is almost laughable.



Obama is an intellectual. What he is saying is calm down we have seen worse and don't get your panties into a knot.


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Friday, August 8, 2014 2:19 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

This is easy. It is what we always do. We know the socialist countries will do nothing so we will assist in any way we can. Then we will be accused of creating the situation in the first place. Like always....
I think we should bomb them! Shock and awe... that always works for... well, something...!



I can't believe this one. Obama approved air strikes, and the US military carried them out, like, same day. One of the fastest decisions in American history, and certainly the fastest of the Obama administration. Sorta a token response, only 2 planes, but it's still impressive, time-wise.

Good idea or not, still not sure on that.



Obama had the military prepare months ago incase we needed to act fast. Well, we needed to act fast.


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Friday, August 8, 2014 6:16 PM

JONGSSTRAW



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Friday, August 8, 2014 6:30 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:

Obama had the military prepare months ago incase we needed to act fast. Well, we needed to act fast.




The US military doesn't need 'months' to strike at 2 targets in Mosul. And if it does, then things have deteriorated in our military far worse than many had feared.


( Yes, Chrissy - FEARED. Because bad things are something to be avoided, but not ignored )

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Friday, August 8, 2014 6:48 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
bad things are something to be avoided, but not ignored

Thanks for the deep lesson, I stupidly always seem to go right for the bad things AS I'm looking in another direction....

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Friday, August 8, 2014 7:01 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:

Obama had the military prepare months ago incase we needed to act fast. Well, we needed to act fast.




The US military doesn't need 'months' to strike at 2 targets in Mosul. And if it does, then things have deteriorated in our military far worse than many had feared.


( Yes, Chrissy - FEARED. Because bad things are something to be avoided, but not ignored )



He had them prepare for whatever. Lets see how this plays out. Best we don't do to much till Maliki goes anyway.


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Saturday, August 9, 2014 4:48 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
bad things are something to be avoided, but not ignored

Thanks for the deep lesson, I stupidly always seem to go right for the bad things AS I'm looking in another direction....



Actually, those things will find YOU, if you aren't paying attention.

WTC bombing 1993

USS Cole

Khobarr Towers

WTC attacks 2001 ...


We're 'safe' here, so what's the big flippin' deal, huh Chrissy ?

( full disclosure - I did not watch the entire video. I'd like to believe it ends with everyone playing happily w/ puppies and kittens, but I kinda doubt it. )


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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 7:53 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/11/isis-iraq-numbers_n_5659239.h
tml?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000010



How is it that this band of thugs and killers can take over an oil field and immediately start making money off of it ? Where is that oil going ? Who is buying it ? Aren't there contracts and controls which track such things ? This is baffling.

And they've taken 300 women as sex slaves. How then do they justify stoning 2 of them for adultery ? I know, trying to make sense of these animals is pointless.

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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 7:58 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Sure wish England would step up and join the fight. O-well, football season just about to start so bad timing, right?



Russians aren't doing much in Syria besides giving supplies. Since ISIS is trying to over throw their guy Assad, seems to me that they'd pitch in at least some humanitarian help for those stranded on the mountain...

Oh, right. I forgot. They're Russians.

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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:15 AM

THGRRI


And what about Iran's Revolutionary Guard. Can't they step in and take care of ISIS?


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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:47 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

How is it that this band of thugs and killers can take over an oil field and immediately start making money off of it ? Where is that oil going ? Who is buying it ? Aren't there contracts and controls which track such things ? This is baffling.

And they've taken 300 women as sex slaves. How then do they justify stoning 2 of them for adultery ? I know, trying to make sense of these animals is pointless.


For them, a woman being an unwilling sex slave is just fine, but being a willing adulterer is very bad.

As to the oil ... they just need to call it a U.N. Food For Oil deal and they can skim off the scam like the Husseins did.

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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:56 PM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
This is easy. It is what we always do. We know the socialist countries will do nothing so we will assist in any way we can. Then we will be accused of creating the situation in the first place. Like always....

How about when you start a thread OLDENGLANDDRY you offer an opinion as well and not just a link.




Of course we created the situation. Maybe you've forgotten, or maybe you were high for the last dozen years, but we fucking invaded and occupied Iraq, and it went to hell just like millions said it would, you worthless fuckwit.




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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:05 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Bernie Sanders ?




Too funny!

Meanwhile -

Hillary Clinton joins critics of Obama's response to ISIS in Iraq

“The failure to help build up a credible fighting force of the people who were the originators of the protests against Assad—there were Islamists, there were secularists, there was everything in the middle—the failure to do that left a big vacuum, which the jihadists have now filled,” Mrs. Clinton told The Atlantic.


...


"One of the reasons why I worry about what’s happening in the Middle East right now is because of the breakout capacity of jihadist groups that can affect Europe, can affect the United States,” she said. “Jihadist groups are governing territory. They will never stay there, though. They are driven to expand. Their raison d’etre is to be against the West, against the Crusaders, against the fill-in-the-blank—and we all fit into one of these categories. How do we try to contain that? I’m thinking a lot about containment, deterrence, and defeat.”


http://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-joins-critics-obamas-response-is
is-iraq-183437722.html


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:13 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
And what about Iran's Revolutionary Guard. Can't they step in and take care of ISIS?




Iraq's RG was never " all that " to begin with, and since al-Maliki took control, he put in a lot of incompetent twits in high places in the military, which sent morale down the tubes. That's in large part why the forces folded like a house of cards vs ISIS, because the commanders were all cowardly political appointees, and not solid military men. Once they failed to show any leadership what so ever, and left the soldiers to fend for themselves, the Iraqi army fell like cut blades of grass.

It really was a perfect scenario ( coincidence ? ) that ISIS walked into with Iraq. No US military to deal with, a totally incompetent leader of a country already fractured, and then a military which could not operate once its command structure evaporated like an mirage on the hot desert plains.

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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:13 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
This is easy. It is what we always do. We know the socialist countries will do nothing so we will assist in any way we can. Then we will be accused of creating the situation in the first place. Like always....

How about when you start a thread OLDENGLANDDRY you offer an opinion as well and not just a link.




Of course we created the situation. Maybe you've forgotten, or maybe you were high for the last dozen years, but we fucking invaded and occupied Iraq, and it went to hell just like millions said it would, you worthless fuckwit.




Here you go buddy;...Anger Management Classes

http://www.angermanagementonline.com/anger-management-north-carolina.h
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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:26 PM

JONGSSTRAW









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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:44 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:





Iraq was up and running when we left. You could make an argument they were invaded by ISIS out of Syria and because of a lack of trust with the Shite run government the Sunni Iraqis took advantage of the situation to rebel.

Still, Bush made a major mistake in going in, in the first place. I see you got Bush's mission accomplished banner out of moth balls.


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Wednesday, August 13, 2014 11:21 PM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
This is easy. It is what we always do. We know the socialist countries will do nothing so we will assist in any way we can. Then we will be accused of creating the situation in the first place. Like always....

How about when you start a thread OLDENGLANDDRY you offer an opinion as well and not just a link.




Of course we created the situation. Maybe you've forgotten, or maybe you were high for the last dozen years, but we fucking invaded and occupied Iraq, and it went to hell just like millions said it would, you worthless fuckwit.




Here you go buddy;...Anger Management Classes

http://www.angermanagementonline.com/anger-management-north-carolina.h
tml






I'm not angry. I just have no desire to be around useless people, you feckless fucktard.

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Wednesday, August 13, 2014 11:22 PM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
And what about Iran's Revolutionary Guard. Can't they step in and take care of ISIS?




Iraq's RG was never " all that " to begin with, and since al-Maliki took control, he put in a lot of incompetent twits in high places in the military, which sent morale down the tubes. That's in large part why the forces folded like a house of cards vs ISIS, because the commanders were all cowardly political appointees, and not solid military men. Once they failed to show any leadership what so ever, and left the soldiers to fend for themselves, the Iraqi army fell like cut blades of grass.

It really was a perfect scenario ( coincidence ? ) that ISIS walked into with Iraq. No US military to deal with, a totally incompetent leader of a country already fractured, and then a military which could not operate once its command structure evaporated like an mirage on the hot desert plains.




Wonder why they ever tried that when Saddam ran the joint.

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