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Gun Incident Tax

POSTED BY: JO753
UPDATED: Monday, September 1, 2014 18:15
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Saturday, August 30, 2014 7:34 PM

JO753

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On July 20th 2012 I came up with the solution to the gun problem in America: the Gun Incident Tax (GIT). Posted the jeneral outline in a few forumz, maybe this wun included, even got it to the Sandy Hook Promise organization.

The gun topic gets alot uv input here, so I'm bringing this up for discussion.

The root uv the problem iz proliferation. This iz obvious, so the obvious idea to ban gunz outrite pops up in debates often, usually az a scare tactic frum NRA pinhedz.

Wut I realized on that date wuz that gunz are effectively a hobby now and that everybody iz subsidizing the real cost uv that hobby. So, why not create a system that movez the entire cost to gun ownerz, advocates and manufacturerz? After all, they tend to be in favor uv self reliance, independance, responsible citizenry etc., so they shoud be happy for a chance to not be freeloaderz anymore.

It woud work alot like insurance. They woud recieve a periodic bill that woud reflect the cost incured during the preceding period frum all the damaj cauzed by gunz. The more deths, robberyz, property damaj, the higher their bill. And bekuz proliferation iz the problem being addressed, the more gunz they own, the higher the bill. And since lobbying organizationz & clubz encourage proliferation, they'd get billz commensurate with their size.

The money woud be used to pay all the expensez created by the incidents. There woud also be a system to compensate familiez uv the deseased, sumthing like 5,000,000$ and similarly hefty payments to crippled victimz on top uv their medical expensez.

This woud be a big relief for emerjensy roomz in bad nayborhoodz, wich currently do much uv the work for free. It woud be great for property damaj casez, such az broken windowz, kuz all youd hav to do iz report it and the cost will be covered insted uv trying to find who fired the bullet.

Wun uv the claimz often made by gun proponents iz that gunz deter crime. So to help pass the GIT, it woud include compensation for wen that actually happenz. Sumbudy shoots a crook, wutever he woud hav gotten away with iz credited to the periodic bill. Save a life, scare off a rapist etc, a big credit iz added. Now how can the NRA complain about that?

The effects uv the GIT will be to demotivate ownership and motivate the NRA and other law jenerating entityz to make lawz that actually work to reduce the number uv shootingz.

I'm sure you all know me well enuf by now to realize that I dont expect this to actually happen. I may be a starry eyed idealist, but I am also well aware uv the stubborn, lojik ignoring nature uv humanz.


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Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:19 PM

GEEZER

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English.

Speak it, M----r F----r.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:37 PM

JO753

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A little hard to speek here. You haf to record it, post it to Youtube or sumwer, then put a link to it. Eazier to just type.


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Sunday, August 31, 2014 9:16 AM

JO753

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I used to get solicitation email frum the Sandy Hook Promise organization asking for money and nag repeats to congress, senate & Obama.

I explained my idea to the mom uv a victim and she actually replied! Good to know it wuznt just a spambot. She sed sumthing like 'great idea but its unrealistic'. After a few more emailz, I stopped getting them completely. Apparently they decided they didnt want any krazy radicalz mucking up their messaj.

Its alot like the respons I get for Nooalf. Sumthing that gets to the root uv the problem and prezents a strateforward solution duznt sit well with humanz.

If I ever invent an antigravity system or FTL, I will think very carefully about keeping it to myself!

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 7:23 PM

ELVISCHRIST


Simpler solution that can be implemented very easily, and doesn't wait until after the fact to address the issue:

Liability insurance.


It is not "infringing" anyone's right to keep and bear arms to demand that they carry insurance for any damage that their fetish of choice might cause.

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 7:42 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Good idea JO.

Often those who advocate for personal rights are loathe to pick up the tab of the actual cost of having those rights.

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 8:28 PM

GEEZER

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Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
A little hard to speek here. You haf to record it, post it to Youtube or sumwer, then put a link to it. Eazier to just type.



Too bad you can't. Or can't type and spell English.

When you get around to it, let us know.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Monday, September 1, 2014 12:31 AM

JO753

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I thot uv that, elvis, but wondered if any insurance company woud do it, considering the potential payouts.

It coudnt work like car insurans, kuz youd haf to put the ownerz polisy number on every bullet in such a way that it woudnt get destroyed wen it hits sumthing. And wut about all the illegal gunz? Plus, bullets arent very hard to make, so if sumwun iz planning on murdering sumwun, thats garranteed to be step 1. (unless they also want to frame sumwun else, then stealing sum uv their bullets andor gun iz step 1)

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Monday, September 1, 2014 12:38 AM

JO753

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Thanks, MD.

I'v notist that also! Mostly self proclaimed conservativez who dont think past their own experience.

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Monday, September 1, 2014 12:42 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:

Too bad you can't. Or can't type and spell English.

When you get around to it, let us know.





HA! Its amazing how often people who complain about spelling make mistakes in their complaint!

Insted uv complaining, why not make the effort to understand?

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Monday, September 1, 2014 9:49 AM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Simpler solution that can be implemented very easily, and doesn't wait until after the fact to address the issue:

Liability insurance.

It is not "infringing" anyone's right to keep and bear arms to demand that they carry insurance for any damage that their fetish of choice might cause.



I think the idea of liability insurance is a great idea (as well as licensing guns like we do autos, with semi-annual renewals). Not hard to show that there are very REAL liabilities caused by guns. It doesn't have to be specific to each person, just each weapon and the history of that weapon's lethality and the potential for it in the future. That's the wheel house of insurance adjusters. Buy a gun, buy insurance. "Home defense discount" - lower rates for guns with fewer round capacity, etc.




I'd actually like to see it required for each gun and/or caliber of weapon that is owned. If you have a shotgun, a 9mm, a .45, and a .50, then you'd have to carry insurance for each of those calibers AND each of those guns. If you have two identical cars, you have to insure both, right?

Go to the range, show your insurance card. Go to buy ammo, show your card. Go to get work done by a gunsmith, show your card.

The idea that some people won't obey the law so you shouldn't try is absurd. My mom drives faster than the speed limit - should we do away with all laws regarding automobiles because some ignore the law?

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Monday, September 1, 2014 11:32 AM

JO753

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I suppoze insurance coud make a dent in the problem, but more likely it woud just bekum another profitable enterprize after decadez uv gumit subsidy.

And anything that coud completely end the problem or reduce it too much woud be agenst their interest so they woud work to suppress it.

The victimz in casez in wich the perp iz known woud go thru the same hassle that car accident victimz go thru now, with the insurance company doing its best to minimize payouts.

Then therez the main problem - casez in wich the shooter iz unknown. Find a hole in your windshield & you may az well just pay for a new wun yourself.

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Monday, September 1, 2014 5:38 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:

The idea that some people won't obey the law so you shouldn't try is absurd. My mom drives faster than the speed limit - should we do away with all laws regarding automobiles because some ignore the law?



Right, some people dont obey the murder laws, so by the kind of logic that guns rights advocates use, we should just do away with them.

"You think a murderer is going to worry about obeying a law!!"

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Monday, September 1, 2014 6:15 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Exactly.

I know it woud take decadez, but redusing the level uv proliferation iz really the only effectiv stratejy.

The more immediate effect will be reversing the efforts uv lobbying organizationz and gun frendly lejislatorz to turn America into the wild west.

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