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Sunday, August 31, 2014 12:52 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So, I got pulled over - taillight - and let go. Thank god I'm white and helpless little old lady looking, otherwise I might have ended up tasered or dead.

But anyway, my question is this: I was 'lit up' a maybe 150' short of a busy local intersection with no shoulder - so I put on my blinker, slowed down and pulled into a parking lot in front of the intersection and parked. And what the cop said to me made no sense - he asked why I didn't pull over right away but instead pulled into a lot. He said - as best I can remember, something like - did you pull into parking lot rather than pull over right away because you didn't want me to take your car away from you?

Can anyone make sense of this?

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:17 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


"Take your car away from you"???

No, it makes no sense to me. I have no idea under what conditions a highway patrol thinks it can "take your car away from you".

But what a fucking ass. That comment fits in with the whole "militarize police" discussion.

I was talking with our office assistant - a sincere, well-meaning, hard-working, white, naive, and wealthy young woman who was terribly, terribly upset with what was going on in Ferguson because even she had a bad interaction with a cop. She and a friend were talking over whether to ditch a day an UC/Davis because of events going on (Regents meeting where they were planning to raise tuition to pay for increased pay for administrators.) According to her, they were talking quietly together at a table of an on-campus Starbucks, when a policeman in full riot gear came in and starting yelling at them that THEY were the cause of the tension on campus.

I think this nation has gone a lot farther into tyranny than most people realize.

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:30 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I'm still wondering. Is having my car on the street any different legally than having it in a parking lot? By what means does where I pull over make that question viable?

Anyway, FWIW, the first thing I did when I got home was look up etiquette for getting pulled over. It says to pull off onto the shoulder, or if no shoulder, pull into the nearest parking lot.

But, hm. I wonder what bulletins, alerts, orders, rumors are going out to the PDs lately. I thought the cop (LA County under contract to the city, not CHP) was aggressive, accusatory and hostile. For a TAILIGHT? How bogus.




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Sunday, August 31, 2014 4:52 AM

OONJERAH



Difference: Road = public property. Parking lot = private property.

Perhaps it is more hassle, more paperwork, if he takes your car away
from you on private property.

Hey! At least he didn't throw you on the ground and beat you up.

But yeah ... I'd sure like to know if they can pull me over and take my
car. That would be like ... we have just entered the Twilight Zone.



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Sunday, August 31, 2014 8:16 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



He probably took one look at you and tried to come up w/ something YOU'D ask.

So yeah, that's an odd question.

Quite common for folks to pull into the nearest parking lot where the situation allows.

It can be like a game of roulette , trying to figure out what the mood of a cop will be after he's pulled you over. Was he driving back to the station, right before quittin' time, and now has to deal w/ writing a ticket ? Had he just come from a heated interaction w/ another citizen ? Is he having marital problems ? All manner of things. He could have seen a bumper sticker on your car which annoyed him. Who knows.

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 6:20 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Can anyone make sense of this?


Indeed I can.

You're confused, because you think it was about the tail light.

Nope.

See, the "game" for cops in many localities is to spot a car which is worth money, basically any non-beater, and pull it over for actual or contrived reasons, and the "script" that follows is as predictable as day follows dawn.

"I smell marijuana!"

And if you refuse to let them search the car, they just bring in one of their "trick pony" drug dogs...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/22/1264609/-Are-drug-sniffing-an
d-bomb-sniffing-dogs-just-props


And then the dog fakes an "alert" and they search it anyways, till they *ahem*, er.. "find" some marijuana and VIOLA, they take your goddamn car.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/16/editorial-the-cops-get
-the-ticket
/

Whether they actually charge the driver or not is usually at their whim, but the whole POINT is to get the car, whereupon they either auction it conventionally for profit, or if one of the cops wants it specifically they hold the "auction" in a cops basement for "security reasons" and one of them bids a dollar on it...

Around here they even have a damn honeypot set up, which is a constant source of aggravation and annoyance - one of the houses across the street from here is a pack of drug dealers the local police give a free pass (and the bastards know it, too!) in order to hit the buyers and seize their cars, which results in their dumbass customers coming over here lookin for shit to steal.

Anyways, why the cop got cheesed off, AND why he let you go, is that said cop must have known there were surveillence cameras pointed at that parking lot, and his little game would fall flat if the cameras caught the dog faking an alert or him planting the dope.

Welcome to the "War on (some) Drugs"!

Contrast this confirmed, factually proven account from William Esbensen about how the Canyon County PD ended up with his Camper - although there were even more ulterior motives to it beyond the usual.
Quote:

“I decided to sell a camper on Craig's List,” Esbensen explained in an interview several weeks ago. “After I got an offer, I put a dealer plate on the rear of the camper and drove it from Vale to the clinic in Ontario, where I cleaned it up and got it ready to deliver to the buyer in Boise.”

By that time, the 45th Parallel was under relentless surveillance by the HDDTF, which was constantly intercepting Idaho-bound traffic from the clinic. When Esbensen left the parking lot, the officers put their well-rehearsed plan into action.

“A few blocks away from my clinic, I was stopped by an Oregon State Trooper,” Esbensen continued. “He told me that a taillight wasn't working, so I fixed it there by the side of the road. While I was working, this guy goes, `It kind of smells like pot.' I called his bluff, telling him he was lying. He didn't know what to say, so he let me go.”

Esbensen made it to the I-84 exit, and was just barely across the state line when he was stopped by two Payette County Sheriff's deputies for a supposed “license plate violation” for displaying a single dealer's plate, as state law requires.

“Sure enough, as soon as they got near the vehicle, one of them said, `Hey, it kind of smells like pot,'” Esbensen recounted, his voice laden with weary disgust, Esbensen once again told the officers they were lying.

“You must think I'm really stupid,” he told the deputies. “Why would I be bringing pot into Idaho?”

The Payette County deputies let Esbensen go, but trailed him all the way to the county line – where they handed him off to an even larger contingent of costumed pests.

The moment he reached Canyon County “I was pulled over again – and this time there were five state police cars, in addition to the DEA, sheriff's deputies, and a K9 officer with a police car. The moment they stopped me, one of the officers shouted, `Get out of the car – it smells like pot!' I told him he was lying, and they sat me down in the back of a cop car while they ran the drug dog all around the camper.”

In his affidavit, ISP Trooper Christopher Cottrell claimed that when Esbensen rolled down his window, “I could immediately smell the strong odor of marijuana coming from the vehicle.” That was a lie, of course: The drug-sniffing dog – which was trained not only to detect marijuana, but to follow prompts – absolutely failed to “alert” to the vehicle, much to the frustration of the road pirates who anticipated a headline-snagging bust and a lucrative forfeiture haul.

“They couldn't take it,” Esbensen recalled with a chuckle. “They didn't have any probable cause, and I had explicitly refused to consent to a search, but they went into the trailer anyway and searched it for 35 minutes. They found nothing but the cleanest trailer they had ever seen. And they also went into my personal effects – which they had no legal right to do – and they eventually 'found' a single joint.”


So yeah, you dodged a bullet there.

-Frem

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 7:50 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


That makes me wonder - what is the upside and downside calculation they run as they decide.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 8:30 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, I got pulled over - taillight - and let go.



Was your tail light actually out, or was it just an excuse?


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 8:43 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Actually was out - but got let go without even a fix-it ticket.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 11:57 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
That makes me wonder - what is the upside and downside calculation they run as they decide.


Ain't much downside, considering the UTTER lack of accountability applied to the badge bearing mafia, but public embarrassment plays a factor, sure.
Quote:

white and helpless little old lady looking

As does that, given that selling the notion of you being a drug dealer might be a hard pill for some to swallow.

Like any other criminal, cops weigh the risk/reward ratio before taking action, and really the only saving grace in most cases is that they're less desperate and more risk-adverse (sometimes to the point of psychosis, since they can justify outright murder under "officer safety") than more honest crooks.

So likely between that and the cameras he decided the risk was too high, and being a typical entitled prick, was frustrated that you managed to "win" that pass - expect to be pulled over again, cause or no, the next time that cop ever sees you.

-F

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Monday, September 1, 2014 3:57 PM

ELVISCHRIST


Part of it is a psychological intimidation tactic - no matter what you did, the pig was going to question it and tell you you were wrong. I've been pulled over numerous times, and if I pull over to the shoulder, I get the "Why didn't you pull into the parking lot up ahead?" business, and if I pull into the parking lot, I get the "Why didn't you pull over to the shoulder?" routine. It's a no-win scenario, because the pig wants you to be caught off-balance and on the defensive; it gives him more chances to fuck with you, get you wound up, and possibly give him more shit to ticket you for, the more upset you get.

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Monday, September 1, 2014 4:15 PM

WHOZIT


Cops get hit by cars all the time, he should have thanked you for pulling off the road into a safe spot.

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Monday, September 1, 2014 5:15 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Actually was out - but got let go without even a fix-it ticket.



So, there was a legit reason for being pulled over and you didn't get a ticket , at all ?

Why all the fuss ?

Sounds like the guy was just doing his job.

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Monday, September 1, 2014 5:34 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Why the fuss?

No fuss. I was looking for information about that very oddball question he asked me. Hmmm .... oddball question ... I know I saw those words somewhere.




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Monday, September 1, 2014 9:19 PM

OONJERAH



Depending on the State, cops can confiscate my car for:
possession of controlled substances,
reckless driving,
lack of insurance?

I.e., I only thought I still have some rights.

I hadn't heard of such before this thread, and now I'm appalled & paranoid.
Glad I drive a clunker.



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Monday, September 1, 2014 9:38 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Clear to me that most replied that indeed the cop was a bit goofy in his question, but maybe that's what cops do sometimes, to try to throw off a nervous or guilty conscience driver, or maybe it's just something they do to break up the monotony of their job. Can't say.

The 'fuss' I guess is all this talk of police harassment and such, as brought up by Frem, and followed up by others, with reference to 'pig', and such.

I could have been more clear on my part.

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Tuesday, September 2, 2014 12:36 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


OK.

I still wonder though.

This isn't my first taillight out. Yanno, you just never check them. Then after you have one go out you might check them intermittently for a year, maybe even two. But caution falls off and checking them falls by the wayside and ...

Police I suspect drive their owns cars on their days off. And who knows what can go wrong or unattended - a low tire, open gas filler cover, taillight out. Stuff happens. I bet it even happens to them. So, if >> I << were a cop, and I saw someone driving with a taillight out, I think, in the interests of public safety, I'd pull them over and ask - did you know your taillight was out? And yeah, people might drive off and just not get to that nagging item for a while ... which is why one writes the fix-it ticket. To ensure people are diligent. So that's what I'd do. And in fact, that's what happened with the two fix-it tickets I've gotten so far. A problem was helpfully pointed out and I was given a fix-it ticket to keep me timely.

I don't think the first thing I'd ask is 'why did you pull into the parking lot ... etc'.

If I were black, and young, and male, I'd probably expect that kind of treatment, deserved or not. But I'm so white I just about glow in the dark, and I've got that thick bifocals little old lady look about me, and that kind of treatment is highly unusual in my experience. So it makes me wonder - what has changed? Maybe the guy was just having a really bad day. Or maybe there's something more systemic going on.






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Tuesday, September 2, 2014 1:10 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So it makes me wonder - what has changed? Maybe the guy was just having a really bad day. Or maybe there's something more systemic going on.


Well, when you make a police department dependent on such legalized theft for its budget, naturally such corruption sets in.
Run the numbers on Asset Forfeiture - you'll be appalled, especially when you look at what's being seized and from who.

-Frem

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Tuesday, September 2, 2014 9:51 AM

ELVISCHRIST




Also, in the what-has-changed department, you as a society let the pigs get away with it when they were only doing it to black, Hispanic, and poor people, so now they think it's okay to do it to everybody. So now they do.

The only way you control the pigs is to show them who's boss. Call them on their bullshit. Videotape *every* encounter. Go to the city council meetings and oppose every budget increase for them. VOTE!!!

And yes, I call them pigs, because that's what they are. Fat, lazy, greedy pigs sucking off the public tit.

If you're white, you likely have no concept of being treated this way. If you're black, you're reading 1kiki's response and saying, "That's it? That's all that happened? Why weren't you tased or shot for talking back? Why weren't you charged with resisting or evading for not pulling over immediately?"

That's what happens when you're black in America.

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Wednesday, September 3, 2014 1:24 PM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So it makes me wonder - what has changed? Maybe the guy was just having a really bad day. Or maybe there's something more systemic going on.


Well, when you make a police department dependent on such legalized theft for its budget, naturally such corruption sets in.
Run the numbers on Asset Forfeiture - you'll be appalled, especially when you look at what's being seized and from who.

-Frem




http://thefreethoughtproject.com/philadelphia-police-seizing-peoples-h
omes-charges
/

Quote:

From 2008-2011 Allegheny, PA, filed only 200 petitions for civil forfeiture, in 2011 alone, Philadelphia filed 6,560 petitions.

“The Philadelphia District Attorney’s Office has turned this tool in to a veritable machine, devouring real and personal property from thousands of residents, many of whom are innocent, and converting that property in to a $5.8 million average annual stream of revenue,” Darpana Sheth, a lawyer with the Virginia-based Institute for Justice, a nonprofit public-interest law firm told CNN.


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Thursday, September 4, 2014 6:51 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
OK.

I still wonder though.

This isn't my first taillight out. Yanno, you just never check them. Then after you have one go out you might check them intermittently for a year, maybe even two. But caution falls off and checking them falls by the wayside and ...

Police I suspect drive their owns cars on their days off. And who knows what can go wrong or unattended - a low tire, open gas filler cover, taillight out. Stuff happens. I bet it even happens to them. So, if >> I << were a cop, and I saw someone driving with a taillight out, I think, in the interests of public safety, I'd pull them over and ask - did you know your taillight was out? And yeah, people might drive off and just not get to that nagging item for a while ... which is why one writes the fix-it ticket. To ensure people are diligent. So that's what I'd do. And in fact, that's what happened with the two fix-it tickets I've gotten so far. A problem was helpfully pointed out and I was given a fix-it ticket to keep me timely.

I don't think the first thing I'd ask is 'why did you pull into the parking lot ... etc'.

If I were black, and young, and male, I'd probably expect that kind of treatment, deserved or not. But I'm so white I just about glow in the dark, and I've got that thick bifocals little old lady look about me, and that kind of treatment is highly unusual in my experience. So it makes me wonder - what has changed? Maybe the guy was just having a really bad day. Or maybe there's something more systemic going on.






SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

It is not an uncommon concept among cops for many years lately. Just uncommon that it was expressed to you that way, but the cops have become lax about sharing their viewpoint.
Generally the scam in many places is that on PUBLIC HIGHWAY (any public roadway or shoulder) they get to tow away your car at exorbitant rates, plus force you to pay storage fees for whatever towing place (the mayor's brother, most like) confiscated your car, and the police dept gets a kickback. They do the same thing if they can force you to be taken away in an ambulance - more fees.
As you have likely figured out, the cops had absolutely no interest in public safety, your safety, or actually performing any version of the job that most folk think cops should be performing.

If this really is an area of interest, you should try reading a Dean Koontz book titled Dark Rivers of the Heart. (ignore the weird character portions, focus on all the real-world confiscation laws which are applied. Orwellian.)

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 8:57 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


VIDEO: Man refuses to let cops search house without warrant, films police despite protests






SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 9:01 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


OH, btw, that was an interesting reply. It seems very to the point. I'll remember now, if I get pulled over I'll make a point of getting to private property.




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Thursday, September 4, 2014 9:21 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


"Get a warrant.
Get a warant."


Stood his ground. Didn't stop filming and didn't get beat up. Good for him! Altho, to be honest I think the cops lost interest when he told them the suspect walked straight to the back.

That's why cops need bodycams. Keep 'em on the straight and narrow.

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Saturday, September 6, 2014 2:43 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
OH, btw, that was an interesting reply. It seems very to the point. I'll remember now, if I get pulled over I'll make a point of getting to private property.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

My reply? or another?
What was interesting?

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Saturday, September 6, 2014 2:49 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Your reply. I mentioned it to people at work, and though they live in different cities and different counties in southern California, they had second hand knowledge (it happened to a friend or relative) of similar occurrences. In one case where the person stopped on the street and the police claimed to have enough suspicion, they towed the car from the street to an impound lot. The justification is that a vehicle left on the roadway is a hazard.




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Monday, September 8, 2014 3:50 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Highway Robbery.

Police intelligence targets cash: Part 1 of 3
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/07/police-intel
ligence-targets-cash
/
Quote:

As business boomed, David bought a yacht and a condo in Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, and invited associates down for fishing trips, interviews and documents show. Starting in 2010, the firm began spending tens of thousands each quarter on the lobbying firm Brandon Associates to stoke interest in interdiction training in Washington — almost $200,000 in all through last year. Brandon Associates has arranged meetings with senior officials at DHS, documents show.

Notably, they fail to mention that 99% of these "seizures" involve amounts of $100.00USD or less.

Stop and seize: Part 2 of 3
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/06/stop-and-sei
ze
/
Quote:

Police often rely on drug-sniffing dogs to justify warrantless searches when a driver refuses to give consent. In 48 cases examined by The Post, dogs alerted to the presence of drugs but the officers found only money.

Because they're "trick ponies" trained to fake hits.

Part 3 is due out tomorrow.

An aside from The Verge on the topic.
http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/8/6120971/cops-are-seizing-hundreds-of-
millions-of-dollars-from-drivers-and

Quote:

But the legal justification is only part of the practice. As private consultants sought to expand the practice, they turned to surprisingly familiar methods, including an encrypted chat room where officers could brag about their latest hauls, share tactics, and spread private information about juicy targets passing through other jurisdictions. Known as the Black Asphalt Electronic Networking and Notification System, the chat room has over 25,000 members spread across the country, most of whom are law enforcement officers. Until recently, it was hosted at a DEA intelligence center, but has never received any official government oversight.


Also noteworthy is that in addition to usual "fishing expedition" harrassment questions, Police since have added asking if you're carrying a large amount of money - and personally I feel that they're asking that for the exact same reason any other criminal would, and should be treated accordingly.

They're not your friends.
They're NOT the 'good guys'.
And they need a fucking leash.

-Frem


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Monday, September 8, 2014 4:57 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Your reply. I mentioned it to people at work, and though they live in different cities and different counties in southern California, they had second hand knowledge (it happened to a friend or relative) of similar occurrences. In one case where the person stopped on the street and the police claimed to have enough suspicion, they towed the car from the street to an impound lot. The justification is that a vehicle left on the roadway is a hazard.






Ah, yes.
Surely has nothing to do with the kickbacks. No kickbacks here, move along now. These are not the kickbacks you are looking for, never mind those kickbacks behind the curtain.
This is in every state.
I forgot to mention, the key you should be looking for is the city comptroller, or city manager, etc. When the city official directs the Police department to "fund itself through traffic enforcement/citations" then you know the city is corrupt. The cops have no choice but to conform to the city officials cutting their budget if they don't drum up some revenue for the city. We must remain vigilant and get rid of these city officials who think the Police department is there to provide revenue for the city tax coffers.
It is insidious.

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Tuesday, September 9, 2014 10:33 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Hey 1kiki,

Might I first state that I love the title of your thread and I really don't click on many of them at all these days, so that's saying something :)

I wasn't disappointed at all about the topic when I got here either. +2!




You have all of my empathy for having to go through being pulled over when you have absolutely NO clue what you did wrong (Damn Taillights!!!!)

You also did exactly what I myself or probably 100% of considerate people would have done in your situation by pulling off of the main road and not blocking traffic for at least the next 15 minutes. (Kudos. YOU were the Good Guy)



As for what he said to you, I'm baffled. It doesn't even make any sense to me. I have seriously read it like 10 times and I can't make heads or tails.....

Seriously... WTF? I would probably have lost a few nights sleep just lying in bed trying to make sense of that situation.

Who knows 1kiki?

Maybe it's a new trick up his sleeve since he took some mandatory federal Psycological Warfare class and we're all looking forward to a future where cops will just do and say whatever they want. Maybe he was just itching to tazer somebody since it's been more than three days since the last tazer and he was hoping that he could just break your brain right there on the spot and you'd just give him the video proof he needed that he was justified in tazering you....

But I'm just paranoid :)

Occham's razor would suggest it far more likely that maybe he was a little too drunk to drive himself when he pulled you over. It's not like you'd notice signs of minor intoxication while it's you're ass under the microscope.


Hmmmmmmm....

It really is a brain buster though.

I find it unfathomable that a cop wouldn't appreciate you pulling off the main road (as long as you weren't leading him into a parking lot without any lighting around in the middle of the night).

As for what he said after that, if it is exactly as you posted it here, I can offer no rational explanation for the comment.


Ummmm....

Hope that helped?



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, September 9, 2014 10:36 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK





Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, September 9, 2014 10:49 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Even when I was a kid, I had the nice "white" poster child looks. Back then the few tickets I actually got I really felt that the cops felt bad giving them to me but I had been doing something SOOO egregious that they had to teach me a lesson.......


I'm just about as harmless as I look these days Frem, but even when I was out causing trouble in my 20's (or more accurately, being the driver of people up to no discernible good or bad), I rarely ever got pulled over because I had "control of the car" while I was driving. This was ESPECIALLY important had I been drinking.


[HEY FUCKERS! I KNOW YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE IN THE CLUB, BUT ALL THE COP BEHIND ME SEES IS 6 SILHOUETTES BOUNCING AROUND "WHAT-IS-LOVE-LIKE" AT 3 A.M.!]

I won't try to justify my drunk driving as a kid-to-twenty-something. I will never apologize for it either. We partied A LOT and I was driving people A LOT. Nobody ever got hurt while I was driving them home, and I never once got a DUI.

My BIGGEST TRICK?

I've always driven a 4-door semi-modern sedan in a tan or beige color.

Tupac wasn't just bitching about Cops being jealous of a young black man who drove around a ride they never could afford. His intelligent followers knew that.

If you ever really listen to his words, I think that Tupac was actually teaching his audience blueprints about How NOT To Get Caught.

I could be wrong, but I don't think so. That would mean that I'm the smart one here. You'll never hear me telling anyone that I was smarter than Tupac.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, September 9, 2014 4:51 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Your reply. I mentioned it to people at work, and though they live in different cities and different counties in southern California, they had second hand knowledge (it happened to a friend or relative) of similar occurrences. In one case where the person stopped on the street and the police claimed to have enough suspicion, they towed the car from the street to an impound lot. The justification is that a vehicle left on the roadway is a hazard.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

I also forgot to mention that very often those light bulbs they claim are out are actually not - they just use it as an excuse. Also "you swerved within your own lane without crossing outside your own lane" and "you changed speeds while staying below the speed limit and above the minimum speed limit" (usually 10 mph below the posted maximum limit) and "the traffic light turned yellow before you entered the intersection" and "you went thru a late yellow light even though you were out of the intersection before the light turned red" and "you went around that curve at speed exceeding the YELLOW SIGN (which is CAUTION speed) but below the speed limit" are also common claims - which are not against the law, but they make them sound like probable cause to pull you over and investigate for reasons to get kickbacks for your stop.

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Wednesday, September 10, 2014 1:07 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Hope that helped?"

6-ix

I completely understand your confusion. Not only do I look like a little old lady - I AM a little old lady. My hearing is not 100%. So I often mis-hear things (put the jack in the cupborder ???) and when it doesn't make sense, I have to go back into my acoustic memory and try and figure out what it really was. So when I heard what I heard, it made so little sense I tried - and tried - and tried to figure it out. Smoke pouring out of my head, I decided that what I heard must have been what he said ... so I proffered the answer ... 'it seemed safer ... ?' Which seemed to make some sense to him.

Anyway, it was deeply confusing.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:22 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I actually like Frem's response because it seems to make sense. But I think you did the right thing because of what I heard happened to someone in my little town.

Out in Long Island a woman, driving alone, was pulled over by an unmarked car flashing his "lights" (the cherry stem on top), anyways, she pulled over and he proceeds to rape the young woman. He wore the uniform of the Nassau Police and stopped her in the appropriate county, but he was a fake cop.

It was in the news a few years back, and they warned people that if you must pull over in a deserted area look for the most public place - such as a parking lot or gas station and pull over.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, I got pulled over - taillight - and let go. Thank god I'm white and helpless little old lady looking, otherwise I might have ended up tasered or dead.

But anyway, my question is this: I was 'lit up' a maybe 150' short of a busy local intersection with no shoulder - so I put on my blinker, slowed down and pulled into a parking lot in front of the intersection and parked. And what the cop said to me made no sense - he asked why I didn't pull over right away but instead pulled into a lot. He said - as best I can remember, something like - did you pull into parking lot rather than pull over right away because you didn't want me to take your car away from you?

Can anyone make sense of this?


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Friday, September 12, 2014 6:01 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I actually like Frem's response because it seems to make sense. But I think you did the right thing because of what I heard happened to someone in my little town.

Out in Long Island a woman, driving alone, was pulled over by an unmarked car flashing his "lights" (the cherry stem on top), anyways, she pulled over and he proceeds to rape the young woman. He wore the uniform of the Nassau Police and stopped her in the appropriate county, but he was a fake cop.

It was in the news a few years back, and they warned people that if you must pull over in a deserted area look for the most public place - such as a parking lot or gas station and pull over.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, I got pulled over - taillight - and let go. Thank god I'm white and helpless little old lady looking, otherwise I might have ended up tasered or dead.

But anyway, my question is this: I was 'lit up' a maybe 150' short of a busy local intersection with no shoulder - so I put on my blinker, slowed down and pulled into a parking lot in front of the intersection and parked. And what the cop said to me made no sense - he asked why I didn't pull over right away but instead pulled into a lot. He said - as best I can remember, something like - did you pull into parking lot rather than pull over right away because you didn't want me to take your car away from you?

Can anyone make sense of this?



Again, clearly this stooge was not interested in any version of safety for the public.

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Friday, September 12, 2014 9:10 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Not just fake cops, SGG.

When a Cop Is the Rapist
http://www.thedailybeast.com/witw/articles/2014/03/18/cops-raping-wome
n-while-on-duty-has-become-an-alarming-trend.html

Quote:

This is only one of several recent cases of sexual violence where a police officer has been accused or convicted of abusing his power and authority to abuse women while on the job. In January 2012, a Milwaukee jury convicted a policeman of violating the civil rights of a woman by raping her. In November 2013, a Texas police officer was accused of raping a 19-year-old woman. And earlier this month a sheriff’s deputy in Oklahoma was arrested on suspected rape charges at a nursing home.
..
Statistics concerning sexual crimes by police against women are hard to come by, but the recent surge in incidents has left many questioning whether police departments are sending a strong enough signal over "improper" behavior while on duty.



Mind you, I don't think this "surge" is so much a recent development as that these kinda bastards are finally getting caught at it and exposed/tried for it - same thing with police brutality, it's *ALWAYS* been that bad, but until turning their intended surveillence society against them allowed smacking it down with mountains of undeniable evidence it was always swept under the rug as "isolated incidents" and "a few bad apples", and this is more of the same, the increased scrutiny has caught up with what many cops feel is a 'perk of the work', and used to be easy to cover up and dismiss.

And as that scrutiny increases it becomes ever more obvious that the badges are far worse scum than any other breed of criminal, primarily due to a combination of official sanction and lack of accountability.
http://www.policemisconduct.net/

-Frem

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Tuesday, September 16, 2014 5:28 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Oh, just FWIW

I've been seeing a lot of patrol cars parked off of intersections and a lot of streetside stops lately - one every few days as opposed to one or two a year. I think the police are trying to fill the coffers.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:41 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Oh, just FWIW

I've been seeing a lot of patrol cars parked off of intersections and a lot of streetside stops lately - one every few days as opposed to one or two a year. I think the police are trying to fill the coffers.






Bingo.
You should work to recall every elected official in your community who has allowed this nonsense to happen.

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Monday, September 29, 2014 7:18 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Another example of this kind of gamesmanship.

Cops Seize Car When Told To Get A Warrant, Tell Owner That's What He Gets For 'Exercising His Rights'
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140921/17412528595/cops-seize-car-
when-told-to-get-warrant-tell-owner-thats-what-he-gets-exercising-his-rights.shtml

Quote:

But let's travel back further to set this up. Twenty-one-year-old Gregory Zullo was supposedly pulled over for having his license plate registration sticker (incidentally) covered by a small amount of snow.

Anything to start the fishing expedition you know...

Quote:

The lawsuit notes that the officer who stated this was the reason he initiated the event spent no further time on that subject. He didn't bother to brush the snow away from the registration sticker or have Zullo do it, despite the fact that both spent over 30 minutes no more than a few inches away from the offending plate.

Officer Hatch spent most of his time trying to talk Zullo into allowing him to search the vehicle without a warrant. Hatch seemed to be convinced that Zullo was involved with the heroin traffickers he was searching for. Hatch tried everything, including lying.


Again, par for the course, and in this case the usual "I smell marijuana", and insisting the K9 (who was emphatically *NOT* a drug dog) wayyyy back his closed vehicle did, too.

And since the victim refused to play along, they tow his car and leave him in the cold 20 miles from anywhere, and when he went to get his car...
Quote:

When Mr. Zullo asked the defendant’s employee why he had to pay for the tow, the defendant’s employee told him that the tow cost was Mr. Zullo’s fault for exercising his rights.

There's the now-familiar lesson: exercise your rights and cops will make you pay -- one way or another -- for making their jobs difficult. This was plainly stated by an LAPD member shortly after the situation in Ferguson blew up: be anything but compliant and you'll be hurting. If you have problems with us steamrolling your rights, sue us. That attitude brings us to this. Another lawsuit filed against a law enforcement agency simply because a police officer couldn't handle being told, "No."


And of course, who pays those lawsuits but the very victims, the taxpayers themselves - believe me, if they came out of the police budget this shit would change in a hurry, cause where I reside, while lawsuits are still alas paid from the general fund, every time the damn cops embroil us in one we hand them a budget cut like a knee to the balls, and it's done WONDERS for their behavior and professionalism.

-Frem

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Monday, September 29, 2014 7:49 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"... we hand them a budget cut like a knee to the balls ..."

Thanks for that Frem. It's good to see the little guy win every so often.




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Wednesday, October 1, 2014 7:46 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


In Illinois motorcycle riders are required to wear helmets. In Wisconsin, none. Illinois cops are known to watch bikers cross the state line, follow them for 10, 20, or however many miles in their jurisdiction, then pull them over, not allowing them to move their bike without somebody who has a helmet. Confiscate their keys. Calling a friend doesn't work, bike will be a safety hazard on the side of the road for too long.

Clearly, these cops are not interested in Safety.

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