It's growing, not melting. by AURaptor

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

In the same newspaper, the other big story was: "Devastated wife tells how her husband died of a heart attack on Southwest Airlines flight after attendant refused to use a defibrillator on him because 'his chest was too hairy'" – Oh My God! Airline Murders Her Husband!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2738864/Southwest-Airlines-flight-att
endant-says-defibrillator-t-used-passenger-suffering-heart-attack-chest-hair.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 9:28 AM

America loves a winner!

That's nice, but what of the actual story posted, and the satellite image showing more ice, not less ?

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 10:42 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

from your article:

"... the long-term trend still shows a decline ..."

You DO know what the word 'decline' means, right?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 11:43 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
That's nice, but what of the actual story posted, and the satellite image showing more ice, not less ?

Later this year I expect another high quality story with the headline: "Massive Blizzards Prove Greenhouse Gas Not Real". There will be satellite images, too.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 11:46 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Well, that is rappy- thinking his backyard... or a single event ... represents an entire history. I think he understands the word "decline", what he can't quite wrap his brain around is "long term" or "worldwide". It's too big. It makes his tiny brain hurt.

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 12:26 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
from your article:

"... the long-term trend still shows a decline ..."

You DO know what the word 'decline' means, right?

Yes. And the very long term is that our sun will eventually run out of fuel, expand and cook this rock to a charcoal lump.

And there's nothing we can do to stop that.

Gore was wrong, so VERY wrong about the arctic being ice free. In fact, it's got more ice than it had. Looks like a trend to me. Same w/ the antarctic. More ice.

More is more than less.

And Sig - you think that the ice build up was a 'single event' ? Really? Pretty sure that's not how it works w/ arctic ice. Takes what ? Time.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 12:59 PM

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:15 PM

America loves a winner!

Jongs - gotta love their persistence though, huh?

Less ice = AGW

More ice = AGW

Why?

BECAUSE ! The science is settled ! That's why!

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:19 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

'In fact, it's got more ice than it had.'

Than it had since when? Just as the article said, "... the long-term trend still shows a decline ..."

http://tamino.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/extent_annmin.jpeg?w=500&
;h=270

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:24 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
And Sig - you think that the ice build up was a 'single event' ? Really? Pretty sure that's not how it works w/ arctic ice. Takes what ? Time.

Yep... it shrinks in summer, and grows in winter. But OVER TIME.... decades, not a couple of months or a couple of years... Arctic ice has shrunk. That's what they mean by LONG TERM... something beyond a day, or a month, or even a decade.

Capice? (Probably not, but I tried.)

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:26 PM

99.9% of psychic mediums say they can contact the dead. With a consensus like that who can argue.

99.9% of fortune tellers say they can predict your future by reading Tarot cards of the lines in your palm. With a consensus like that who can argue.

99.9% of astrologers say they can tell you what kind of day you're going to have based on your Zodiac sign. With a consensus like that who can argue.

But the climate "scientists" are far worse scumbags.

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:27 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
'In fact, it's got more ice than it had.'

Than it had since when?

since 2 years ago. When Gore and other alarmists said the arctic would be ice free by now.

Don't you even read ? You seem to only see what you want to see, and not the ice all around.

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:33 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Well, you claim that the Arctic meltdown is a myth. You posted these words: 'Myth of arctic meltdown'. Even your thread title says 'It's growing, not melting'. It sure looks to me like the Arctic has been melting, is still melting, and will continue to be melting. You know, long-term.

That arctic meltdown 'myth'? It's not myth, it's a fact.

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:37 PM

The brainwashed idiots of the Al Gore climate cult are to be pitied.bbb

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:37 PM

The brainwashed idiots of the Al Gore climate cult are to be pitied.

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:42 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Rappy- are you willing to predict that Arctic ice will meet or exceed its former historic volume at some point in the near future? (say, ten years?) Because, if you're not willing to predict THAT, then EVEN YOU are agreeing that the volume is decreasing overall.

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:44 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

little jongsie

To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:46 PM

The brainwashed idiots of the Al Gore climate cult are to be pitied.

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:47 PM

The brainwashed idiots of the Al Gore climate cult are to be pitied.

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:47 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

little jongsie

To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:49 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I see that jongsstraw is posting drunk again. I wanted to make sure this didn't get lost in the blizzard of Jongssies' incoherent responses.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Rappy- are you willing to predict that Arctic ice will meet or exceed its former historic volume at some point in the near future? (say, ten years?) Because, if you're not willing to predict THAT, then EVEN YOU are agreeing that the volume is decreasing overall.

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:50 PM

psycho bitch idiot Kuku

The brainwashed idiots of the Al Gore climate cult are to be pitied.

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:52 PM

The brainwashed idiots of the Al Gore climate cult are to be pitied.

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:57 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Rappy, the title of your thread is... "It's growing, not melting", so....

Quote:
Are you willing to predict that Arctic ice will meet or exceed its former historic volume at some point in the near future? (say, ten years?) Because, if you're not willing to predict THAT, then EVEN YOU are agreeing that the volume is decreasing overall.

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:58 PM

Sniggy the Piggy and Kuku feeding at the trough of climate slop.

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 2:05 PM

Gee, how'd this happen Al?

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 2:05 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I was wondering when the piggy pictures would come out again. Jongsstraw... words (and thoughts) have failed him.

Rappy, the title of your thread is... "It's growing, not melting", so....

Quote:
Are you willing to predict that Arctic ice will meet or exceed its former historic volume at some point in the near future? (say, ten years?) Because, if you're not willing to predict THAT, then EVEN YOU are agreeing that the volume is decreasing overall.

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 2:09 PM

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 2:12 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

and lost 1.5 M sq km in 35

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 2:14 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Rappy, the title of your thread is... "It's growing, not melting", so....

Quote:
Are you willing to predict that Arctic ice will meet or exceed its former historic volume at some point in the near future? (say, ten years?) Because, if you're not willing to predict THAT, then EVEN YOU are agreeing that the volume is decreasing overall.

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:00 PM

America loves a winner!

I posted the headline as it appears in the story. I didn't " claim " anything .

For thinking y'all are so smart , you really do miss a lot, kiki

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 6:04 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Well, here you are claiming that more ice isn't a 'single event' but a TREND, over TIME. This is in your words. Something you affirm from your own - what passes for a mind. Something you can't hide behind as a quote. This is YOUR claim. Which is wrong. Yet again.

In fact, it's got more ice than it had. Looks like a trend to me. Same w/ the antarctic. More ice.
More is more than less.
And Sig - you think that the ice build up was a 'single event' ? Really? Pretty sure that's not how it works w/ arctic ice. Takes what ? Time.

And here you are, arguing against that strawman, again.

Jongs - gotta love their persistence though, huh?
Less ice = AGW
More ice = AGW
Why?
BECAUSE ! The science is settled ! That's why!

Shit man, don't you get tired of being an idiot?

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 6:28 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Well, here you are claiming that more ice isn't a 'single event' but a TREND, over TIME. This is in your words. Something you affirm from your own - what passes for a mind. Something you can't hide behind as a quote. This is YOUR claim. Which is wrong. Yet again.

Nope. I'm not wrong, you are.

There IS more ice now than there was 2 years ago. FACT

I didn't make up the story, out of thin air, the story exists because of the very fact that there is MORE , not less ice in the arctic.

More is greater than less.

More > less

Learn it

Know it

Live it

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 6:36 PM

Hooray, if Jongs and Rap agree, it's sure to be true.

I'm gonna burn a gallon of oil in my backyard in celebration. We dont need to worry about a thing. Everything will be alright. We can keep consuming fossil fuels because they are never going to run out and even if they do, we'll invent the perpetual motion machine powered by christian scientists who also believe the earth is 5000 years old and God will save us anyway, well only if you are a white american christian, but what a beautiful world it would be....

Oops sorry about the black people in the video bringing down the tone.

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 6:39 PM

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 6:41 PM

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 6:51 PM

America loves a winner!

I like this one too, since we're posting vids.

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 7:22 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

This place tracks arctic ice: http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
Today's picture looks like this:

I hope the picture will pile more charcoal on the fire beneath the arguments that are burning.

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 7:39 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Oh PSHAW!

Your decades worth of ice decline are nothing - NOTHING! - compared to little rappy's two-year time period he's designated a 'trend'!

And he said so! So it's true!

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Sunday, August 31, 2014 11:36 PM

America loves a winner!

Decades really aren't all that significant in geologic or planetary time.

1000's or even 10,000's of years only begin to make sense then.

But the anthropomorphic bias that we view things, oh yeah, a few decades is a long, long, long, long time.

:snicker:

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Monday, September 1, 2014 1:10 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

And your two year 'trend'? You still want us to think it's meaningful to anything at all?

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Monday, September 1, 2014 1:10 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

And your two year 'trend'? You still want us to think it's meaningful to anything at all?

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Monday, September 1, 2014 1:05 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

What an article... Climate skeptics once again show their scientific illiteracy.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/09/01/global_warming_den
ial_claims_of_arctic_ice_recovering_are_exaggerated.html

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, September 2, 2014 1:52 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Decades really aren't all that significant in geologic or planetary time. 1000's or even 10,000's of years only begin to make sense then. But the anthropomorphic bias that we view things, oh yeah, a few decades is a long, long, long, long time.- rappy

:snicker:

And your two year 'trend'? You still want us to think it's meaningful to anything at all?-KIKI

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Priceless!

Or, as rappy would say... crassic.

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Tuesday, September 2, 2014 7:10 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

If any year is not the very worst on record, then (and this is the exact spot their thinking gets fuzzy and confused) the problem does NOT exist! If you wanted to claim that greenhouse gases can NOT change climate, you could easily twist the following story into your proof, if your mind is inclined in that direction for personal reasons:

Ice is low, but record unlikely
August 19, 2014

Arctic sea ice extent is well below average, and large areas of low concentration ice are observed in the Beaufort Sea and along the Siberian coast. However, it is highly unlikely to set a record low at the end of this year’s melt season. Antarctic sea ice extent remains at record highs. http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2014/08/ice-is-low-but-record-unlike
ly/

Summarizing, this year is not the worst on record for arctic sea ice, while on the opposite of the world the sea ice is doing well, therefore NO PROBLEM. See how easy it was to solve the greenhouse gas problem? No understanding is required and you have made a major problem vanish into hot air.

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Tuesday, September 2, 2014 12:41 PM

America loves a winner!

In 2 years, the arctic will be free of ice?

FF 2 years, & there's MORE ice. Not less.

THAT is " Crassic ! ".

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Tuesday, September 2, 2014 12:52 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
In 2 years, the arctic will be free of ice?

FF 2 years, & there's MORE ice. Not less.

THAT is " Crassic ! ".

It's good of you to make a major problem vanish into hot air. I feel very reassured by you that all will turn out well.

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Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:09 PM