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No plan - yet. Despite knowing about ISIS for over a year now.

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Tuesday, September 2, 2014 3:41 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Tuesday, September 2, 2014 8:39 PM

JONGSSTRAW


He's in shock and he doesn't know what to do. Years ago he said repeatedly that because he grew up in a Muslim country and understood them, they would not be hostile to Americans. As to ISIS, all the scenarios suck. There's no one worth fighting FOR.

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Tuesday, September 2, 2014 10:26 PM

ELVISCHRIST




What's your plan?



What's Congress's plan?

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Tuesday, September 2, 2014 10:40 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Fox & the GoP hav a great plan!

Blame everything on Obama bekuz the next election iz the only thing that matterz.

Just kuz Bush failed to finish the job that Reagan started duznt mean it cant be dun. Think uv Obama az a delay at worst and at best, an opportunity to widen the divide to make for an even bigger fall.

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Tuesday, September 2, 2014 10:58 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:


What's your plan?



What's Congress's plan?



ISIS wanted us to stop our limited air campaign against them.

I think we should.

And start an unlimited air campaign against them.




"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Wednesday, September 3, 2014 12:53 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:


What's your plan?



What's Congress's plan?



Obama, President that he is, knew. For over a year. Still has no plan. Called Isis the JV team.

This isn't about me,congress, or W.

Stop trying to deflect. Admit that this prez is clueless.

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Wednesday, September 3, 2014 11:03 AM

ELVISCHRIST


So Congress has no part in this at all?


Weird. Last time I checked, Congress was empowered to declare war. Wonder where they are during all this. What have they been so busy with for the last year that they have been completely unable to address this?

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Wednesday, September 3, 2014 11:59 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:


What's your plan?



What's Congress's plan?



Obama, President that he is, knew. For over a year. Still has no plan. Called Isis the JV team.

This isn't about me,congress, or W.

Stop trying to deflect. Admit that this prez is clueless.



Barry is Cimmander OF Chief. He should start acting like it, at least.

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Wednesday, September 3, 2014 1:25 PM

ELVISCHRIST





So your beef is that he's *NOT* acting like a unilateral dictator?

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Wednesday, September 3, 2014 2:15 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


More dithering from the Amateur OF Chief -

Destroy vs managing isil.

Quote:

During a joint news conference with Estonian President Toomas Hendrik Ilves in Estonia ahead of the NATO summit in Wales this week, Obama spoke of managing ISIL as well as his plans to “degrade and destroy” the group. Critics charge that his comments set two conflicting goals for dealing with future violence.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/laura-ingraham-obama-isil-react-
110545.html#ixzz3CHyz1FwL






That's a fun pick.

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Wednesday, September 3, 2014 3:15 PM

ELVISCHRIST





Let's see, in the past few weeks you've been angry over admitting to a rescue attempt, and now you're angry over not admitting to any further plans.

Seems you've got your head rather further up your own ass than usual.


Meanwhile, you've yet to come up with *ANY* plan for dealing with them, all while crying and blubbering about someone else not having a plan (because he hasn't shared it with you personally via facebook, one presumes).

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Wednesday, September 3, 2014 4:23 PM

AURAPTOR

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Obama is more & more isolated. Even lib Dems are bashing him over his non stance.

Obama too cautious over ISIS - Feinstein (D-CA )

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/30/feinstein-obama-cautious-isis
_n_5742552.html


In a tough letter to Attorney General Eric Holder on Tuesday evening, Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) said he was “troubled” by statements indicating the administration lacks a comprehensive military strategy in Syria. Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) channeled many Republicans’ rhetoric on ISIL in asking the administration to clearly articulate a comprehensive strategy to take on the extremist group. And Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) lit into Obama’s goal to make ISIL a “manageable problem.”



http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/al-franken-obama-isil-strategy-1
10557.html#ixzz3CHyLBRk0

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:37 AM

ELVISCHRIST




Again, what is your plan? Specifically regarding Syria, what do you propose? What are you telling your congressional representatives that you'll support?

Do we support Assad, or do we support the rebels, ISIS among them?


Do we send in troops, or do we stick to no boots-on-the-ground? (And remember, if we send in airstrikes, that means boots on the ground, because invariably we lose a plane or two and have to mount rescue missions, which you're pretty clearly against)


So give us your plan. Show us your foreign-policy expertise. You're quick to point out the failings and shortcomings of the Obama administration, so what's YOUR plan?


Or will you be like that *other* so-called libertarian, Rand Paul, and oppose military action before you turn around two days later and support it?

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:46 AM

ELVISCHRIST





I still have yet to hear ANYONE- here, on TV, or anywhere - come up with a viable plan for dealing with this situation.



What's the solution? More bombs? More invasion and occupation? Clearly those have worked out so well in Iraq, of course we should probably do that again, right?


So what's the plan?

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 4:10 AM

JO753

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Checker playerz alwayz hav a plan. Unfortunately, they sumtimez get lost and stumble into a chess tournament but cant tell the difference kuz the board looks the same.

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 7:38 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by ELVISCHRIST:



I still have yet to hear ANYONE- here, on TV, or anywhere - come up with a viable plan for dealing with this situation.




Asking that is a straw man. No one else is President and Commander in Chief. No one else has been getting daily briefings on the Islamic State for over a year. No one else sees the problem with as bi-polar clarity as Obama, who says I.S. will be destroyed, followed by saying how I.S. is a problem to be ' managed '.

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What's the solution? More bombs? More invasion and occupation? Clearly those have worked out so well in Iraq, of course we should probably do that again, right?


So what's the plan?



Send them to hell, just like Joe Biden so boldly claimed. Not merely manage them, like they're some sort of money market account.


At least Rand Paul comes to a decision, and doesn't switch positions in mid speech, giving allies and enemies no CLUE from where he comes. Funny, when others have a change of view, they're flip-flopping. But with Obama, he ' evolves '. Well, many from his own party have evolved to the point where they think he needs to do more. Not just give disjointed, schizophrenic speeches on the issue.

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 10:54 AM

ELVISCHRIST




Are you suggesting that killing them is definitely *NOT* managing the problem?


BTW, you still haven't given us your detailed plan. You're very upset with the president for not laying out all the details, but you haven't laid out even one. You were mad when he admitted to trying something before, now you're mad because he's not saying in advance what we're going to do. It must be a weird place inside your head, living with that howling vacuum and complete lack of logic.


You claim that "no one else has been getting daily briefings" - can you prove that? Can you prove that nobody in Congress, the NSA, the CIA, or Homeland Security has been getting such briefings? "No one" is an awfully large and all-encompassing term.

"Send them to hell"... how, exactly? Again, you've laid out less of a plan than the president you're so upset with. You claim superiority and a higher level of expertise than the president and his administration, who you constantly belittle as "naive" and "amateurs", so what's your plan? Lay it out already! Show us what you know that these "amateurs" can't figure out.

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 11:07 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Orginally posted by AURaptor:

No one else is President and Commander in Chief.


Some people are too stupid to understand that only the President can order military action.

Quote:

Send them to hell, just like Joe Biden so boldly claimed.

Empty words from an idiot with no authority to order anything.... except his lunch.

Quote:

Not merely manage them, like they're some sort of money market account.

More like Obama as a teenager using Pro-Active to manage his acne breakout on date night.


Quote:

At least Rand Paul comes to a decision, and doesn't switch positions in mid speech, giving allies and enemies no CLUE from where he comes. Funny, when others have a change of view, they're flip-flopping.
I have no use for the guy. He's an opportunist with no real core beleifs. I watched him flip back and forth in a five minute segment last night.

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 11:19 AM

AURAPTOR

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They're called PDB's for a reason.

Ask Joe.

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 11:37 AM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
They're called PDB's for a reason.

Ask George.




Fixed.



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Thursday, September 4, 2014 11:38 AM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Orginally posted by AURaptor:

No one else is President and Commander in Chief.


Some people are too stupid to understand that only the President can order military action.




And some - all of them conservatives, it seems - are too stupid to understand that only Congress can declare war.



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Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:32 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
They're called PDB's for a reason.

Ask George.




Fixed.





Not fixed, you're flat out lying.

Biden said send them to hell. You can't deal with it, so you retreat to your ' blame W ' mantra as you suck your thumb as you curl up in the fetal position.


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Thursday, September 4, 2014 1:04 PM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
They're called PDB's for a reason.

Ask George.




Fixed.





Not fixed, you're flat out lying.

Biden said send them to hell. You can't deal with it, so you retreat to your ' blame W ' mantra as you suck your thumb as you curl up in the fetal position.





I'm lying? George never got the PDBs?


Biden said send them to hell. So is that YOUR plan for dealing with them? If so, you'll have to admit that the administration (Biden is part of the administration, right?) has at least as good a plan as you do.


As for being curled up in the fetal position, I'm not the one panicking over rumors of some allegedly missing airliners that pose zero threat to the U.S. That would be you, for the record.


As for the "blame W" bit - who was it who invaded Iraq in the first place and gave ISIS a perfect place to gain power, wealth, and territory? Did "W" *NOT* put that into effect?

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 1:23 PM

AURAPTOR

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You keep trying to shift to argument because you know you're wrong.

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 2:40 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


You mean... "Despite having created, armed, and funded ISIS for over a year now

I heard an interview a week ago with an Iraqi who said that, when he listened to various ISIS tapes, even those made in Iraq, there was hardly an Iraqi accent among them. What he detected, more than anything, was a Tunisian accent. I have to say, I was a bit skeptical, I thought this guy was blowing smoke, but then I ran across this on Zerohedge ...


Where do ISIS fighters come from?


Originally sourced from

It Ain't Half Hot Here, Mum
http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21614226-why-and-
how-westerners-go-fight-syria-and-iraq-it-aint-half-hot-here-mum?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/itaintshalfhotheremum


There are two surprises here...

Jordan is one. Jordan, if you recall, is like an aircraft carrier in the desert. That is where we keep a detachment of Patriot missiles and F-16s, and where we were training anti-Syrian "moderates" (at least some of whom were ISIS).

http://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20130605/NEWS08/306050022/U-S-dep
loy-Patriots-F-16s-Jordan

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/19/u-s-military-presence-in-jord
an-quietly-grows-2
/

Jordanian radicalism didn't appear on the radar. However, I did find this...

Jordan's King Abdullah "Playing With Fire" (2012)
Quote:

The king, who is already facing widespread criticism for failing to implement real reforms and combat corruption, has begun to flirt with the Salafi [Wahhabi] group in a desperate bid to win its sympathy. By flirting with these fundamentalists, King Abdullah is also hoping to win them to his side in his confrontation with the kingdom's popular and influential Muslim Brotherhood.
This could be why Jordan allowed anti-Syrian Salafis to be trained there.

And what's with Tunisia? Another bolt out of the blue?

Radical Islamists seize control of Tunisia mosques (2011)
Quote:

(Reuters) - Radical Islamists have seized control of 150 to 200 mosques and prayer halls around Tunisia this year, a senior religious official said Wednesday.

Official control over Tunisia's 5,000 mosques and small prayer halls has relaxed since the January revolution that toppled autocratic president Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali, allowing radicals to occupy some of them, Jamel Oueslati told Reuters.

So the Arab Spring went straight from autocracy to jihadism?

The fighters are from various places, the arms and money from Saudi Arabia and Qatar; in their race to control Libya, Egypt, and Syria they competitively flooded the area with dozens of planeloads and boatloads (literally) of arms.

We can fight ISIS in Syria and Iraq (Although I'm not sure our government wants to; it may still see some utility in these jihadists) but there is clearly a massive movement going on, and jihadists will keep turning up from the unlikeliest of places. Unless we want to keep playing whack-a-mole, we have to figure how to stop radicalism in the first place.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3437/king-abdullah-playing-with-fire

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 3:50 PM

ELVISCHRIST


What have I shifted?


I've asked - more than once, in fact - for your big plan to deal with ISIS. I've asked for details, specifics, and you've given nothing. Zilch. The closest you've come to a plan is to say you agree with Biden.


So either you agree with the admin plan, or you admit you have less than no idea of what to do, which is what you're criticizing others for.

Which is it?

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 4:06 PM

AURAPTOR

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Asking that is a straw man. No one else is President and Commander in Chief. No one else has been getting daily briefings on the Islamic State for over a year. No one else sees the problem with as bi-polar clarity as Obama, who says I.S. will be destroyed, followed by saying how I.S. is a problem to be ' managed '.


I repeat myself, because it's obvious I must.


But, I will add...




Members of Congress, calling for an authorization for use of force. So much for 'no plans, yet'. Unless you're the President.

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 6:50 PM

ELVISCHRIST




Are you saying that the president should act unilaterally without seeking authorization from Congress?


What happened last time he did such a thing?


What was YOUR response?




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Thursday, September 4, 2014 7:59 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


I hav a plan.

Airdrop boxez uv old Playboy magazinez over the entire goram rejun. Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Syria... everywhere.

It'l be dam near impossible to recroot young men into a relijun that demandz that wimin must be covered hed to toe wen their hormone controlled brainz hav a clue about wut theyd be missing.

Granted, its mostly a longer term solution than an immediate fix for the ISIS problem, but thats how I think. And even so, a saturation Playboy bombing mission rite on their camps coud possibly upset their unity.

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 8:17 PM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
I hav a plan.

Airdrop boxez uv old Playboy magazinez over the entire goram rejun. Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Syria... everywhere.

It'l be dam near impossible to recroot young men into a relijun that demandz that wimin must be covered hed to toe wen their hormone controlled brainz hav a clue about wut theyd be missing.

Granted, its mostly a longer term solution than an immediate fix for the ISIS problem, but thats how I think. And even so, a saturation Playboy bombing mission rite on their camps coud possibly upset their unity.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.nooalf.com





Now see, THAT is actually a plan. Might seem like a Crazy Eddie kind of plan, but that might be exactly what's needed.

I long ago proposed bombing Cuba with Care Packages full of Twinkies, Coca-Cola, McNuggets, and more junk food, with notes explaining that this is what we call "JUNK" food - the kind of crap we throw down our gullets when we don't have time to eat anything good.

And then just sit back and watch the walls crumble as they realize what they're missing.




Bombing them with bombs is exactly what HASN'T worked, ever, in the Middle East, Afghanistan, or Iraq. We already know what won't work; let's try something different for once.

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 10:44 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:


What's your plan?



What's Congress's plan?



Obama, President that he is, knew. For over a year. Still has no plan. Called Isis the JV team.

This isn't about me,congress, or W.

Stop trying to deflect. Admit that this prez is clueless.



The President is doing exactly what I said he should do a month ago. Try and remember what that was rappy because it is starting to come out why he is doing what he is doing. More and more the experts are confirming he is following the right path. Many are doing this by what they say needs to occur for a successful outcome. What needs to occur is what he is pursuing.


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Thursday, September 4, 2014 11:47 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Overall, the President (whoever he or she is) needs to cleanly identify what our long-term interests are, as he or she perceives them, and to explain them plainly to us and to the world.

Our foreign relations (and public relations) problem is that the USA does not offer a coherent narrative. We say that we're for democracy, but we deliver something entirely different. We say that we want to decrease corruption, and yet we can't seem to become less of an oligarchy ourselves. The advantage that the jihadists have is that their narrative is -so far- coherent. Their actions and their words are consistent. If we're going to win the PR war we have to do the same.

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Friday, September 5, 2014 12:39 AM

ELVISCHRIST


You can bet John McCain would have a plan. Or two.


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Friday, September 5, 2014 1:07 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:


Are you saying that the president should act unilaterally without seeking authorization from Congress?




That's exactly the opposite of what my reply above stated. Congratulations. You're an idiot.

Quote:



What happened last time he did such a thing?





No idea what you're asking here. Be less vague.

Quote:


What was YOUR response?




Again, be less vague. If ya can.

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Friday, September 5, 2014 1:09 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:

The President is doing exactly what I said he should do a month ago. Try and remember what that was rappy because it is starting to come out why he is doing what he is doing. More and more the experts are confirming he is following the right path. Many are doing this by what they say needs to occur for a successful outcome. What needs to occur is what he is pursuing.




Name ONE expert who agrees with what he's doing.

Because all the ones I've heard speak on the matter, as well as members of BOTH parties in Congress tend to agree that he's dithering and bumbling, and not doing much of anything at all. More of the 'day late, a dollar short ' routine.


And he's flip flopping, so much so, that he can't even keep a straight story with in the context of one gorram SPEECH !

You're basically full of go-se here. He's not pursuing any real outcome, because you can't claim he's trying to destroy ISIL while at the same time.

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Friday, September 5, 2014 2:54 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Now that I hav your support, elvis, we can get started.

I hav 2 boxez uv my dadz old girly magz & porn vidz. There are thouzandz uv posts on Craigz List futily trying to sell their Playboy and assorted lesser magazine collectionz who coud probabbly be talked into donating them for the war effort.

All it takes iz a few fone callz to get the ball rolling.



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Friday, September 5, 2014 8:58 AM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:


Are you saying that the president should act unilaterally without seeking authorization from Congress?




That's exactly the opposite of what my reply above stated. Congratulations. You're an idiot.

Quote:



What happened last time he did such a thing?





No idea what you're asking here. Be less vague.

Quote:


What was YOUR response?




Again, be less vague. If ya can.





Thanks for proving once again how big an idiot you are, especially when it comes to your own history.



President Obama called on Congress to authorize use of military force against Syria. The response? Crickets.

Prior to that, he got a lot of flak - including from YOU, right here on this board - for unilaterally ordering military action (air strikes) against Libya.

So quit whining about what HE is doing, and start talking to your idiots in Congress.

It's called "checks and balances"; you really should read the Constitution some day.



Also, bear in mind that the last time anybody listened to the GOP and you neocons, it only cost us 4000-plus American lives and well over a trillion dollars and counting. So pardon me if I don't just take your word for it that you know what the hell you're talking about, because we've all seen that that's just not the case.

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Friday, September 5, 2014 9:15 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:


Thanks for proving once again how big an idiot you are, especialy ( especially ) when it comes to your own history.


President Obama called on Congress to authorize use of military force against Syria. The response? Crickets.




You mean the unbelievably small , do nothing use of force to strike at Assad, and not ISIL , for crossing the red line for using WMD ?

Beyond laughable.

Quote:



Prior to that, he got a lot of flak - including from YOU, right here on this board - for unilaterally ordering military action (air strikes) against Libya.




Yeah, and what good has that done ? Look at the state of Libya these days. How's that working out ? We have the killers of Benghazi, not getting justice for attacking our consulate and murdering 4 Americans , but who ARE splashing around in our embassy's swimming pool.

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So quit whining about what HE is doing, and start talking to your idiots in Congress.



Already have posted what some in Congress, Dems and GOP, are working on. You're just too blinded by your partisanship and your pettiness to notice.

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It's called "checks and balances"; you really should read the Constitution some day.

Also, bear in mind that the last time anybody listened to the GOP and you neocons, it only cost us 4000-plus American lives and well over a trillion dollars and counting. So pardon me if I don't just take your word for it that you know what the hell you're talking about, because we've all seen that that's just not the case.




Yeah, that's not anywhere near an accurate recount of the Iraq war, but for you, that's as good as anyone can expect.

I know a ton of a lot more than you, and it shows.


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Friday, September 5, 2014 10:32 AM

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So as you've just shown, you'll complain when Obama takes action, you'll complain when he doesn't, and you'll support any Republican when they take action, and support them when they don't.

I'm starting to sense a pattern here. I'm beginning to think you're nothing but a partisan hack.

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Friday, September 5, 2014 10:34 AM

ELVISCHRIST


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Yeah, that's not anywhere near an accurate recount of the Iraq war, but for you, that's as good as anyone can expect.

I know a ton of a lot more than you, and it shows.






How many American servicepeople died in the Iraq War?


How much money did we spend on that war, so far?


Show me where I've got it wrong. I'm all ears, as Ross Perot would say. Show us what you know.

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Friday, September 5, 2014 11:54 AM

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There's nothing the raptard is more hostile to than reality and facts.



“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”? Isaac Asimov

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Friday, September 5, 2014 12:11 PM

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So as you've just shown, you'll complain when Obama takes action, you'll complain when he doesn't, and you'll support any Republican when they take action, and support them when they don't.

I'm starting to sense a pattern here. I'm beginning to think you're nothing but a partisan hack.


Me, republicans, Independants, democrats... MOST Americans don't like what this prez is doing w/ regards to Isis.

Your point?

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Friday, September 5, 2014 12:46 PM

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Auro, you are in an eko chamber. "Most Americanz" iz wun uv the many catch frazez the operatorz uv that chamber hav installed in your brain to make you think the fiction they are feeding you iz fact.

I'm glad I dont hav cable TV anymore. My brain had reached its storage limit for John Boeoehner saying 'the American people'. You however hav an unlimited appetite for that. You want to hear that the black man iz bad, so wont check a single statement supporting that.

I hav several RL frendz trapped in the eko chamber. Wun uv them iz even a fundmentalist christian who iz ignoring wun uv the 10 commandments just kuz he wants to believ Obama iz bad.

#9 Thou shall not bear false witness.

I'm not a bleever, but you hav to admire sum uv the wizdom they came up with thouzandz uv yearz ago. See how effectiv simple liez are at dividing the greatest nation in history?!

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Friday, September 5, 2014 1:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:

The President is doing exactly what I said he should do a month ago. Try and remember what that was rappy because it is starting to come out why he is doing what he is doing. More and more the experts are confirming he is following the right path. Many are doing this by what they say needs to occur for a successful outcome. What needs to occur is what he is pursuing.




Name ONE expert who agrees with what he's doing.

Because all the ones I've heard speak on the matter, as well as members of BOTH parties in Congress tend to agree that he's dithering and bumbling, and not doing much of anything at all. More of the 'day late, a dollar short ' routine.


And he's flip flopping, so much so, that he can't even keep a straight story with in the context of one gorram SPEECH !

You're basically full of go-se here. He's not pursuing any real outcome, because you can't claim he's trying to destroy ISIL while at the same time.



The reason you do not know what the plan is and when it will transpire is because you are listening only to the voices of descent. Shortly, in a few weeks you will see a multi national force made up of Middle Eastern and European forces begin to dismantle ICEL.

As I said a month ago. If we go right in the others will let us do it alone. This would only cause more problems. Obama in effect has said to the rest of the world, no, you are coming with us. He knows all Europe is worried about returning fighters and every Arab nations rulers understands ICEL is coming for them. His approach is to hold their feet to the fire by not rushing in alone.

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Friday, September 5, 2014 4:44 PM

JO753

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Friday, September 5, 2014 5:18 PM

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Friday, September 5, 2014 5:21 PM

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Worth noting is that the go-to guy for conservatives, the duck derp, offers the same solution to ISIS that they offer to others: Convert or die.

But yeah, they're the crazy ones. Only them. Sure thing.

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Friday, September 5, 2014 6:02 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


TH what ever...

Ron Paul, the kook himself, is the ONLY member of Congress, from EITHER PARTY , who thinks what Obama is doing is right.

Obama Has No Middle East Strategy? Good!

Last week President Obama admitted that his administration has not worked out a strategy on how to deal with the emergence of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) as a dominant force in the Middle East. However, as ISIS continues its march through Syria and Iraq, many in the US administration believe it is, in the words of Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, a threat "beyond anything we have ever seen."

Predictably, the neocons attacked the president's speech. They believe the solution to any problem is more bombs and troops on the ground, so they cannot understand the president's hesitation.

http://townhall.com/columnists/ronpaul/2014/09/03/obama-has-no-middle-
east-strategy-good-n1886343





Also, why do you INSIST on referring to the terrorist group as ICEL ?? Seriously, what's up w/ that ?


EC - Funny, General Dempsey says we DO have plan, while Obama continues to dither.

Quote:

"The United States military does consider ISIL [ISIS] a threat to, initially to the region and our close allies, longer term to the United States of America," Dempsey said in a keynote speech to the annual Aspen Security Forum, according to The Washington Free Beacon.

"And therefore we are preparing a strategy that has a series of options to present to our elected leaders on how we can initially contain, eventually disrupt, and finally defeat ISIL over time."

http://www.Newsmax.com/Newsfront/dempsey-isis-us-response/2014/07/25/i
d/584916/#ixzz3CTuZXbjD






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Friday, September 5, 2014 9:57 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
TH what ever...

Ron Paul, the kook himself, is the ONLY member of Congress, from EITHER PARTY , who thinks what Obama is doing is right.

Obama Has No Middle East Strategy? Good!

Last week President Obama admitted that his administration has not worked out a strategy on how to deal with the emergence of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) as a dominant force in the Middle East. However, as ISIS continues its march through Syria and Iraq, many in the US administration believe it is, in the words of Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, a threat "beyond anything we have ever seen."

Predictably, the neocons attacked the president's speech. They believe the solution to any problem is more bombs and troops on the ground, so they cannot understand the president's hesitation.

http://townhall.com/columnists/ronpaul/2014/09/03/obama-has-no-middle-
east-strategy-good-n1886343





Also, why do you INSIST on referring to the terrorist group as ICEL ?? Seriously, what's up w/ that ?


EC - Funny, General Dempsey says we DO have plan, while Obama continues to dither.

Quote:

"The United States military does consider ISIL [ISIS] a threat to, initially to the region and our close allies, longer term to the United States of America," Dempsey said in a keynote speech to the annual Aspen Security Forum, according to The Washington Free Beacon.

"And therefore we are preparing a strategy that has a series of options to present to our elected leaders on how we can initially contain, eventually disrupt, and finally defeat ISIL over time."

http://www.Newsmax.com/Newsfront/dempsey-isis-us-response/2014/07/25/i
d/584916/#ixzz3CTuZXbjD








No that's what the spin doctors turned it into. What he was saying was until they had recruited the right players he was not going to rush in, speculate or make a move without understanding who would do what or how and when do we get out. It's a Bush senior approach as apposed to a Bush junior cowboy response. Which could be argued started this shit. The rest are posturing for their constituents due to the upcoming elections.

I stopped posting as much because to put it bluntly, many of you are just to stupid to be bothered with.


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Saturday, September 6, 2014 1:53 AM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


EC - Funny, General Dempsey says we DO have plan, while Obama continues to dither.

Quote:

"The United States military does consider ISIL [ISIS] a threat to, initially to the region and our close allies, longer term to the United States of America," Dempsey said in a keynote speech to the annual Aspen Security Forum, according to The Washington Free Beacon.

"And therefore we are preparing a strategy that has a series of options to present to our elected leaders on how we can initially contain, eventually disrupt, and finally defeat ISIL over time."

http://www.Newsmax.com/Newsfront/dempsey-isis-us-response/2014/07/25/i
d/584916/#ixzz3CTuZXbjD









According to what you just posted, Dempsey said we DON'T have a plan. Read it again. "And therefore we are *preparing* a strategy..."

Sounds like your source just contradicted the very thing you say it proves.

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