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Nearly a Dozen Commercial Airliners Missing Ahead of 9/11 Anniversary After Islamists Overrun Libyan Airport

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Wednesday, September 3, 2014 5:17 PM

AURAPTOR

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I thought Barry took care of Libya, and got after those rioters who were out for a walk one night, angry over that YouTube video....

Oh, wait. We did absolutely nothing about that!

Huh.

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“There are a number of commercial airliners in Libya that are missing. … We found out on September 11 what can happen with hijacked planes,” one official reportedly told the Washington Free Beacon.

The aircraft were reportedly stolen in August after Islamists took control of the Tripoli International Airport. It was later reported that 11 commercial jetliners were missing.

On Sept. 11, 2012, four Americans were killed during a terrorist attack on a U.S. compound in Benghazi, Libya. At first, the Obama administration blamed the attack on a spontaneous protest over an anti-Muslim YouTube video.

When pressed by the Free Beacon, a “senior State Department counterterrorism official” refused to comment on reports of stolen jetliners in Libya. Another State Department told the online publication, “We can’t confirm that.”

It was also reported on Tuesday that Islamic State militants beheaded a second American journalist, Steven Sotloff. Just as they did when they murdered photojournalist James Foley, the terrorists reportedly uploaded a video showing the gruesome execution.



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/09/02/report-nearly-a-dozen-comme
rcial-airliners-missing-ahead-of-911-anniversary-after-islamists-overrun-libyan-airport
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I sense another strongly worded letter coming out of the WH and or State Dept...

Or not.


( Sure is fun, living in the most peaceful time in human history, huh ? )

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Wednesday, September 3, 2014 6:18 PM

WHOZIT


11 missing, this will get everyone at CNN really happy. They love missing airplanes.

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Wednesday, September 3, 2014 6:19 PM

WHOZIT



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Wednesday, September 3, 2014 6:40 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by whozit:
11 missing, this will get everyone at CNN really happy. They love missing airplanes.



OMG... the 'experts' they'll be able to deploy for this story !


Personally, I find it hard to imagine that these idiots could get them off the ground and form a plan fast enough to do anything of importance. Not in 10 days or so. But the fact they HAVE so many planes, should be alarming to anyone.

Give them a few months, and recruit a few pilots, they could have some NYE attack planned for anywhere in Europe, at least.

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Wednesday, September 3, 2014 8:26 PM

AURAPTOR

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Wow. The usual suspects sure have been quiet as of late.



Wonder why.

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:33 AM

ELVISCHRIST


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Wow. The usual suspects sure have been quiet as of late.



Wonder why.




Probably because no reputable source believes there's a viable threat here.


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Algerian reports of jihadist attack threat using commercial aircraft stolen from Libya unlikely to be credible

A Moroccan press report indicated on 13 August that Morocco's air force was on high alert following the theft of several aircraft in Libya that could be used within the region for jihadist attacks in the style of the September 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States.

There have been various reports in Tunisian and Algerian press in recent weeks regarding this same risk. On 6 August, Algerian news site al-Fajr claimed 11 aircraft had been taken from Tripoli International Airport during recent fighting between militias there. The aircraft type was alleged to be Embraer (Embraer 170/190 passenger jets are commonly used by oil companies for charter flights inside Libya). Subsequently, Mohamed Frikha, the CEO of Tunisian airline company Syphax, claimed in an interview with Tunisia's Shems FM that two Airbus-A320 aircraft belonging to Libyan company Ifriqiya had gone missing from Misratah. However, a spokesman for Libya's transport ministry has said that no aircraft are missing.

The militias controlling the main airports in the west are extremely unlikely to allow flights by jihadists. It is also very unlikely that aircraft could have been taken from Tripoli International Airport without the knowledge of the Zintan militias that control it. Some aircraft belonging to Ifriqiya were evacuated with Zintan permission early in the fighting, but any that remained are highly likely to have been damaged, while Tripoli International Airport's infrastructure is also currently unusable. Misratah and Mitiga airports are now the only two functioning international airports in Western Libya.

However, the Misratan Islamist militias that control them will not want to jeopardise the political influence and revenue this affords them by facilitating an 11 September 2001-style attack that would also invite heavy military retaliation from Algeria or other countries. Therefore, even in the unlikely event jihadists had managed to steal aircraft, recruit trained pilots willing to undertake suicide attacks, and secure enough fuel, they would still need to transport the jets to other paved runways large enough to facilitate take-off (for instance remote airstrips or old airbases), heightening the risk such movements would be spotted by foreign intelligence agency surveillance.

FORECAST
All this means that the threat of an 11 September 2001-style attack is probably not credible. However, the reports of Algerian and Moroccan military alerts and air defence battery deployments do signal an increased risk of shootdown of unidentified aircraft that have come from Libyan airspace.




http://www.janes.com/article/42080/algerian-reports-of-jihadist-attack
-threat-using-commercial-aircraft-stolen-from-libya-unlikely-to-be-credible



Not sure if you've ever heard of Janes, but it's pretty much the go-to source for aviation news, and as likely to be used by U.S. and Russian intel agencies because they generally have the scoop before anyone else does.


I'm filing this under Alex Jones-level paranoia.

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 7:55 AM

AURAPTOR

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The threat is very viable.

Michael Rubin, a counterterrorism specialist with the American Enterprise Institute, said commercial jetliners in the hands of terrorists could be formidable weapons.

“Who needs ballistic missiles when you have passenger planes? Even empty, but loaded up with fuel they can be as devastating,” Rubin said.

“Each plane could, if deployed by terrorists to maximum devastating effect, represent 1,000 civilian casualties.”

Among the potential targets are urban areas and economic targets, like Saudi Arabia’s oil fields


http://freebeacon.com/national-security/missing-libyan-jetliners-raise
-fears-of-suicide-airliner-attacks-on-911
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Thursday, September 4, 2014 8:12 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Michael Rubin ... with the American Enterprise Institute



The American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research (AEI) is a private, conservative, not-for-profit institution




You mean the guy who works for an organization with a conservative agenda ? And I have to ask - do countries that may be targets not have radar? SAMs? Really?




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 8:18 AM

AURAPTOR

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Paranoid much ?

'conservative agenda' ?

We were all conservatives on 9-11, hon.

Transponders can be turned off, planes can fly below the radar.

But I'm glad many top level counter terrorism specialists, in and outside of govt, are wrong on this , and you have it all figured out.

Whew!

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 9:12 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"We were all conservatives on 9-11, hon."

Really? I wasn't. And, you really have to get a grip on your delusions. You ? everyone. Your back yard ? the world. Two years ? a trend. And so on ...




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 9:29 AM

AURAPTOR

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What's funny is that everything you and your dear leader said would happen, hasn't.

World still not loving us, despite that great speech in Cairo, and his world apology tours. In fact, they're hating us even more. Planet not heating up, and hasn't been doing so , for nearly 2 decades now.

And yet, YOU talk of 'delusions'. Crassic.

Back on topic, I'd doubt these stolen airliners could be used to attack any targets across the Atlantic. I'd think more regionally would be their best chance to make use of those planes. Egypt, The Vatican, maybe Tel Aviv. There are only a few planes, and finding a suicide pilot capable of flying long distances, at low altitude, might not be so easy a task.

That's MY laymen's view on the matter.




( And yes, we were all conservatives on 9-11, hon. At least, those who matter. I know there's a tiny fraction of folks who hate everything for what America and decent folk stand. We get it. )

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 10:46 AM

ELVISCHRIST




I thought you fancied yourself a libertarian.


Now you say that anyone who isn't a conservative hates everything about America.


That's a pretty massive paradox you're living in.




So, as a lie-bertarian, can you please tell us all what this has to do with the U.S.? You've already said that in your expert opinion these planes can't be used to cross the Atlantic (based on what, exactly?), so what business is it of ours *IF* there's even any truth to these rumors?

So far you've not produced a scintilla of evidence that there are any planes "missing", much less that there's any credible threat. It's not like anyone has produced any kind of security briefing that says some group is determined to strike within the U.S. using planes or anything, is it?

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 10:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

( And yes, we were all conservatives on 9-11, hon. At least, those who matter. I know there's a tiny fraction of folks who hate everything for what America and decent folk stand. We get it. )


The America haters didn't go anywhere, they just kept silent for a few days. It took Bill Maher all of two days to come out from under his 9/11 rock and say that America deserved it. And from then on it was one fucking scumbag leftist idiot after the next chiming in with their own special brand of anti-American insanity.

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 10:55 AM

AURAPTOR

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Conservative libertarian is how I've described my political views.

Try to keep up.

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 11:40 AM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Conservative libertarian is how I've described my political views.

Try to keep up.





So again, how do you square your so-called "libertarian" core beliefs with your "SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING!!!" hair-on-fire rhetoric in regards to places that have nothing to do with us?

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:12 PM

AURAPTOR

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9-11 is why.

Stop being a gorram idiot.

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:35 PM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
9-11 is why.

Stop being a gorram idiot.






You're not making any sense. 9/11 means we have to freak out about things which, by your own "layman's" understanding, can't pose a threat to the U.S.?


Again, how is that in any stretch of the imagination, "libertarian"? You always claim a libertarian kind of moral superiority, but when faced with the least bit of threat or risk, you hide behind an authoritarian ideology, as if you don't even realize that the two are mutually exclusive.


You do realize that libertarian philosophy accepts that there is an inherent risk in liberty, right?



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Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:53 PM

SIGNYM

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This is like the argument for invading Iraq, when every missile that Saddam had, and was allowed to have, was short-range (for defensive purposes only). So whether Saddam had viable WMD or not (HE DIDN'T) they would have only been pointed at Iran.

So, there are a lot of regional airplanes missing.

So what?

Nobody is about to fly them over the Atlantic and crash them into US buildings. You have to do a little THINKING (something most people here are loathe to do) in order to figure out what the real threat is, and whether it makes any difference to us.

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First of all, though, I have to point out that it was a damn shame that Obama overthrew the secular, stable government of Libya and funded, armed, and trained ISIS and the other jihadists that are now running amok in Libya, Syria, Iraq, and elsewhere.

When you make cynical deals with the worst of the devils in order to fulfill some unguided, short-term goal, this is exactly the kind of clusterfuck that emerges. So some clear-headed THINKING about our real, long term interests is exactly what is needed at times like this.

Also, I'd like to point out that 9-11 was exactly and expressly longed-for by neocons Perle, Feith etc under GWB. From the Project for New American Century (PNAC)
Quote:

"The American peace has proven itself peaceful, stable, and durable. Yet no moment in international politics can be frozen in time: even a global Pax Americana will not preserve itself." To preserve this "American peace" through the 21st century, the PNAC report concludes that the global order "must have a secure foundation on unquestioned U.S. military preeminence." The report struck a prescient note when it observed that "the process of transformation is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event--like a new Pearl Harbor."

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_America
n_Century


It's hard to find this stuff on the inet anymore. Most people have forgotten the tight Israel-Netanyahu- Perle/Feith/Wolfowitz/PNAC link. But 9-11 happened right on time- conveniently so, for the neocons. So conveniently that it's comparison to Pearl Harbor (those in charge knew it was coming) can't be avoided.

But back to American interests...

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Leading up to the somber anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, there are fresh fears of possible 9/11-style attacks taking place across North Africa as radical Islamist groups in Libya have reportedly seized nearly a dozen commercial airliners in the last month.


What are our interests in N Africa?

Could these planes also reach Israel, Italy, Spain, and the south of France?

What are our interests there?

Do we HAVE an interest in fighting some sort of "global war on terror" (GWOT)? If so, what are those interests exactly (Oil? Gas? Stability? Defense?) and how can they best be achieved?

Do we HAVE a specific interest in a Pax Americana for another century? Aside from some generic hubris, that is? If so, what are those interests exactly, and how can they best be achieved?

I think that nearly all of the military and foreign policy problems that we face today are SELF CREATED. The clusterfucks of ISIS/ISIL, Iraq, Afghanistan, jihadists in general, Libya, N Africa... wouldn't you know, but directly created ALL of those, taking small problems and making them deadly. We would be far better off by first identifying our CRITICAL interests, and then NOT shooting ourselves in the foot over and over. Kicking over nations, one after another, is not the way to peace, stability, and prosperity.

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:58 PM

ELVISCHRIST





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So, there are a lot of regional airplanes missing.




*MAYBE*

No one has provided any real evidence that any planes are "missing" in the first place.

There are some right-wing conspiracy-theory websites pushing such a narrative, but no credible source has verified it.

This is as much a threat to the United States as Saddam's mythical WMD.

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 1:10 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Okay, "maybe". I agree with you, this particular potential event -EVEN IF TRUE- isn't a direct threat to the USA.

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Do you know what I'm most worried about? That there will be a false-flag terror attack on the USA, which will whip everyone into a frenzy of "patriotism", aim our mighty military at yet ANOTHER hapless uninvolved nation, drag our economy down further, and destroy what few Constitutional protections we have left. After all, that's what happened after 9-11. It worked so well the first time, why not do it again?

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 4:10 PM

AURAPTOR

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Where's Don Lemon asking if these planes may have been sucked into a black hole, as he did w/ MH 370 ?

I mean, IS it preposterous to think ? Really ?

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Thursday, September 4, 2014 8:28 PM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Where's Don Lemon asking if these planes may have been sucked into a black hole, as he did w/ MH 370 ?

I mean, IS it preposterous to think ? Really ?





Nice attempt to shift the conversation.


It's no more preposterous than you trying to tell everyone how "libertarian" you are, while citing 9/11 as your reason for freaking out over some allegedly *possibly* missing planes, all while arguing that they couldn't pose any threat to the U.S. Now THAT is preposterous!

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Friday, September 5, 2014 9:10 AM

ELVISCHRIST






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The use of airplanes as terrorist weapons in 2001 makes it all too easy for us to anticipate their being used that way again. And despite denials from all sides — the airlines who are not missing any planes, the Libyan transport ministry, and the anti-government forces in control of the airport — the tales have found a ready audience among a populace already on edge in anticipation of the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

However, there have been no statements from the State Department, the Department of Defense, Homeland Security, or any other authority warning of stolen airliners. The national threat level has not been raised. Algerian and Moroccan military and air defense, already on high alert due to the unrest in nearby Libya, would undoubtedly have noticed multiple flights of unidentified passenger aircraft.

As a thread on the aviation community site airliners.net documents, several of the planes claimed in rumors as "missing" or "stolen" have actually been accounted for, having been either caught outside of Tripoli at the time the airport fell to opposition forces or relocated by their operators (Air Contractors pf Dublin) to an airport in Malta for safekeeping. Some of the other airliners were likely destroyed in the fighting or damaged beyond the possibility of operation.




Read more at http://www.snopes.com/rumors/missingplanes.asp#A49M6DCiKJ1eCSOC.99



So once again, as usual, the raptard is doing nothing but spreading lies and rumors and trying to claim them as fact.


We all understand that you're terrified of "the other." You've made that more than clear. But your fears don't comport with the facts on the ground - or in the air.

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Friday, September 5, 2014 9:19 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:


It's no more preposterous than you trying to tell everyone how "libertarian" you are, while citing 9/11 as your reason for freaking out over some allegedly *possibly* missing planes, all while arguing that they couldn't pose any threat to the U.S. Now THAT is preposterous!




You really do seem hung up on the whole me being a Libertarian, huh? Why is that ?

And while I've stated I find it very unlikely they'd use those planes on the US, I and many do find it very credible that they could use them on other targets in the region and in Europe. Yes, that's a valid concern. And if you're not bright enough to even acknowledge that much, then you're a true moron. And I'm wasting my time even responding to you.

And your widdle snopes posting in no way, what so ever, supports your view that I've lied - about ANYTHING.

"Several " planes have allegedly been accounted for. How many ? Not ALL planes ? Huh.

Algerian and Moroccan military and air defense, already on high alert due to the unrest in nearby Libya, would undoubtedly have noticed multiple flights of unidentified passenger aircraft. - undoubtedly ? Really ? Sounds a lot like speculation , than any real fact. No one's claimed they were flown anywhere. Not yet. Hard to track a plane with your air defenses when it's not yet left the ground.

Some of the other airliners were likely destroyed


There's that speculation again. "Some". But not all ? " Likely " destroyed. Or not. But no one can be 100 %T sure, can we ?

Even if the story turns out to be wrong, that still doesn't mean I or anyone else " LIED ".


You truly are a sad, petty, desperate little troll. You sound a lot like some others who have " left ", a while back. Is that you, Kwickie ?



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Friday, September 5, 2014 9:27 AM

ELVISCHRIST





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And while I've stated I find it very unlikely they'd use those planes on the US, I and many do find it very credible that they could use them on other targets in the region and in Europe. Yes, that's a valid concern. And if you're not bright enough to even acknowledge that much, then you're a true moron. And I'm wasting my time even responding to you.




Thing is, there really aren't any "missing" planes to begin with. The whole story is premised on a fallacy. This is the equivalent of the babies being thrown out of incubators hoax that was used by neocons to drum up support for the first Iraq war.

I do think it's funny that anyone who shows you up to be a true idiot instantly gets labelled a "troll" by you, though.

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Friday, September 5, 2014 9:30 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:


Thing is, there really aren't any "missing" planes to begin with.



You don't know that. You have faith, and nothing more.

Fact - the airport was over run.

Fact - Many planes were left on the ground. Some damaged, likely not capable of getting off the ground. But all ?

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Friday, September 5, 2014 9:35 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Rappy, your post about why we should be concerned about the "missing planes" was...

and I quote... "9-11".

Did you "lie" about anything? Well, yes.

But as far as your ORIGINAL post is concerned, you weren't lying, you were sadly wrong and dangerously panicked, which is a state you seem to find yourself on quite often: Swinging between denial and panic.

Oh, and nobody is focusing on how "libertarian" you are, just on how wrong you are!

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Friday, September 5, 2014 10:09 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Rappy, your post about why we should be concerned about the "missing planes" was...

and I quote... "9-11".

Did you "lie" about anything? Well, yes.



No, I didn't. And I'd ask you to show me where, but we both know you can't. so I won't waste either of our time.

Quote:


But as far as your ORIGINAL post is concerned, you weren't lying, you were sadly wrong and dangerously panicked, which is a state you seem to find yourself on quite often: Swinging between denial and panic.



There's not been anything which proves I'm wrong, but there has been lots of hair on fire lies about AGW. Which, I know, is a entirely different topic, but a fine example of mindless hyperbole over that which TRULY is of no real concern.

Terrorists wanting to kill 1000's of innocents IS a real concern. Because it's actually happening. NOW.

And seriously, wtf is wrong w/ you ? In '93 , Islamic terrorists bombed the WTC. Tried to make it collapse. Didn't work. We caught those involved, and they said they'd be back.

In Sept, 2001, they came back. You bitched and whined bout W not 'connecting the dots'. And there's not been a major attack on the US ever since.

Even though there have been attacks in London, Bali, Madrid, ...

How do you STILL not get it ?

They say they're going to attack the West, and they attack, and you STILL claim it's 'wrong and dangerously panicked ' when ever anyone actually takes these deranged monsters at their word.

Just because they may not attack US, doesn't mean they won't attack some other part of the world. You may not think that of any real concern, but I do.

Quote:



Oh, and nobody is focusing on how "libertarian" you are, just on how wrong you are!




Yes, they are. When Elvis keeps dropping non sequitors about my libertarian views, that's " focusing ".


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Friday, September 5, 2014 10:30 AM

ELVISCHRIST





If I bring up your supposedly "libertarian" beliefs, it's only to show your hypocrisy on this and a great deal of other issues.


But again, nice try at deflection. You don't like the truth of what I'm pointing out, so you feel you must do a "QUICK - LOOK OVER THERE!" move to try to distract people from the reality of the situation.


You're paranoid. You think everyone's out to get you, and you're seeing conspiracies where there aren't any.

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Friday, September 5, 2014 6:27 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:

If I bring up your supposedly "libertarian" beliefs, it's only to show your hypocrisy on this and a great deal of other issues.




But you can't even begin to show ANY hypocrisy on my part, at all.

Quote:




But again, nice try at deflection. You don't like the truth of what I'm pointing out, so you feel you must do a "QUICK - LOOK OVER THERE!" move to try to distract people from the reality of the situation.



What 'truth' ? That Obama, leading from behind, bombed the hell out of Libya, and now that country is over run by yet MORE Islamic zealots, who now have nearly a dozen airliners ?

THAT situation ?

Quote:


You're paranoid. You think everyone's out to get you, and you're seeing conspiracies where there aren't any.



Naw. That'd be you. I just happen to reside in Realville.


BTW - Is Obama paranoid as well ?


Leader of al-Shabaab killed in Somalia by US strike

The leader of the Islamic militant organization behind the slaughter at a Kenya mall last year was killed during a U.S. military strike earlier this week, U.S. officials confirmed on Friday.

Ahmed Abdi Godane — the leader of al-Shabaab – was killed during an airstrike Monday that also claimed the lives of 10 other militants.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/09/05/white-house-pentagon-confir
ms-leader-al-shabaab-killed-during-somalia-drone
/



Good job, Barry ! Though I have no idea why we're bothering w/ folks in Somalia and not Iraq, Syria,Libya, or finding those kidnapped girls taken by ( yet ANOTHER radical Islamic cult ) Boko Haram.


Ahhh... smell that ? Scent of Arab Spring !

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Saturday, September 6, 2014 10:25 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


You're panicked, once again.

9-11 has left you with a case of PTSD. When it comes to any sort of potential/ possible/ imaginable jihadist threat, you're unable to distinguish between the REAL threats, and the very unlikely ones, and the totally impossible ones. AFA these planes are concerned, EVEN IF MISSING they could not possibly form a direct threat to the USA.

Sir, please get some help for those panic episodes.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

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Monday, September 15, 2014 6:50 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Where's Don Lemon asking if these planes may have been sucked into a black hole, as he did w/ MH 370 ?

I mean, IS it preposterous to think ? Really ?


Can we just assume all these planes fell into the South Indian Ocean? Please?
Will the problem go away then? Hmmm?

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Monday, September 15, 2014 7:07 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You're panicked, once again.

9-11 has left you with a case of PTSD. When it comes to any sort of potential/ possible/ imaginable jihadist threat, you're unable to distinguish between the REAL threats, and the very unlikely ones, and the totally impossible ones. AFA these planes are concerned, EVEN IF MISSING they could not possibly form a direct threat to the USA.

Sir, please get some help for those panic episodes.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.



Ignoring the problem won't make it go away.

You can win a war with bombs. You can build a society with the 2nd Amendment.

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Monday, September 15, 2014 8:37 PM

STORYMARK






“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”? Isaac Asimov

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Monday, September 15, 2014 11:36 PM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Ignoring the problem won't make it go away.




Inventing a problem doesn't make it real.


There's still zero evidence provided that there are any missing planes at all from Libya, much less "nearly a dozen."

Why not just claim eleventy-billion, if you're handing around made-up stories?

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Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:59 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Nearly a Dozen Commercial Airliners Missing Ahead of 9/11 Anniversary After Islamists Overrun Libyan Airport

May I point out that the 9/11 anniversary came - and went - days ago? And that those 'missing' planes - didn't show up as an anniversary celebration? Now don't you feel just a mite bit sheepish rappy and jsf? Because, yet again, you were wrong. Seriously - doesn't that get old?




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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