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Worst foreign policy - EVER

POSTED BY: AURAPTOR
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Monday, September 8, 2014 6:02 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


The terrorists fighting us now? We just finished training them.

In recent years, President Obama, his European friends, and even some Middle Eastern allies, have supported “rebel groups” in Libya and Syria. Some received training, financial and military support to overthrow Muammar Gadhafi and battle Bashar al Assad. It’s a strategy that follows the old saying, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend,” and it has been the American and allied approach for decades in deciding whether to support opposition groups and movements.

The problem is that it is completely unreliable — and often far worse than other strategies. Every year there are more cases in which this approach backfires. The most glaring and famous failure was in Afghanistan, where some of the groups taught (and supplied) to fight the Soviet Army later became stridently anti-Western. In that environment, Al Qaeda flourished and established the camps where perpetrators of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks were trained. Yet instead of learning from its mistakes, the United States keeps making them.

Washington and its allies empowered groups whose members had either begun with anti-American or anti-Western views or found themselves lured to those ideas in the process of fighting. According to interviews with members of militant groups, such as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria’s Al Nusra Front (which is aligned with al Qaeda), that is exactly what happened with some of the fighters in Libya and even with factions of the Free Syrian Army.

“In the East of Syria, there is no Free Syrian Army any longer. All Free Syrian Army people [there] have joined the Islamic State,” says Abu Yusaf, a high-level security commander of the Islamic State, whom The Washington Post’s Anthony Faiola wrote about last week.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/08/18/the-terrori
sts-fighting-us-now-we-just-finished-training-them
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Monday, September 8, 2014 7:22 PM

JONGSSTRAW


"My style? You can call it the art of fighting without fighting." .... Bruce Lee


"My style? You can call it the art of being President without being presidential." .. Brock Obammy

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Monday, September 8, 2014 10:04 PM

ELVISCHRIST


Didn't the GOP support arming rebels against Qhadaffi and Assad?



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Tuesday, September 9, 2014 12:28 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Didn't the GOP support arming rebels against Qhadaffi and Assad?






Some did. Others didn't. But Obama is the President, and it doesn't make it any less of a stupid idea, now does it. ?

Of course it doesn't.

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Tuesday, September 9, 2014 1:30 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Whooooosh!

That sound you just heard!.............need I say more, completely over his head.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Didn't the GOP support arming rebels against Qhadaffi and Assad?




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Tuesday, September 9, 2014 8:24 AM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Didn't the GOP support arming rebels against Qhadaffi and Assad?






Some did. Others didn't. But Obama is the President, and it doesn't make it any less of a stupid idea, now does it. ?

Of course it doesn't.




So is this man stupid? He was pretty clear in his calls for arming the rebels in both cases.




Of course, that means that Reagan was quite stupid as well...


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Tuesday, September 9, 2014 8:29 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Hell yeah McCain is stupid.

Wanting to arm the Free Syrian Army isn't the same thing as heaping weapons and goodies towards ISIS.


There were " good guys " fighting against Assad. THEY are who we should have backed, and early on. But both sides dithered and ignored the problem , until it was too late and ISIS turned into the monster we now know.

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Tuesday, September 9, 2014 9:36 AM

ELVISCHRIST




That point seems to stand in stark contrast to the point of the original post.

But congrats on having 20/20 hindsight, and seeing clearly now what we *should have* done then.

Next you'll be telling us all that Bush should have paid more attention to his PDBs, and that was the reason we were attacked on 9/11.


Naaaahhhh - that's crazy talk - you'll never admit any such thing!

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Tuesday, September 9, 2014 10:07 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I think the only problem with Obama arming anybody else that isn't American or a True Goddamned Friend is that we have this thing called wikipedia and you can see several examples of how this might not be such a good idea in the long run....

This is definitely an ongoing problem that the leaders of BOTH sides are equally as guilty of.

Obama's only sin here is that he's the latest asshole to try it.

I'm fairly confident that when we have our next Republican president voted in, in 2016, that all of the Democrats will bring up a story Eerily similar to this one and they'll be right that the new guy(gal?) is just as responsible for what is on that day, the "Worst foreign policy - EVER"

;)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, September 9, 2014 10:17 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


BTW... and correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "trying the same thing over and over and over and over again and expecting different results one of the very definitions of the word Insane????

That's it!

Our leaders are Mad Men.

Which puts them in good company.....

Afterall, basically half of us constantly wrestle "control" from the other half in a see-saw motion, generation after generation, thinking that

"YES!!! MY GUY ONE!!! THE GOOD GUYS WON TODAY!!! NOW WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD AND SHOW THEM THAT THEY WERE WRONG!!!

Good luck rounding out one of the worst decades in American history when you win in 2016, Republicans...

As we wrap up another Presidential era where things were actually much worse than they were when he started, we boldly look toward the very not-distant future where we'll have another under-qualified asshole that looks good in a suit from the other side fucking things up for all of us even more than they already are now.


Cynical.... Me?????




Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:23 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


The reason we were attacked on 9-11 was because of evil Islamic zealots AND the Gorelick wall of seperation between the FBI & CIA.

You'll never hear that though from the msm.

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Tuesday, September 9, 2014 1:31 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
The reason we were attacked on 9-11 was because of evil Islamic zealots AND the Gorelick wall of seperation between the FBI & CIA.

You'll never hear that though from the msm.



Maybe... Maybe not.....

I don't know. I really don't care.

I'm more paranoid than any of you.

At the end of any 1,000 years, my behavior today by playing dumb, will effect me just about the same way....

Sure. I wanna change things. But I'm 35 now. I talked about that a lot when I was 23 and posting here...

Nobody wanted to listen to me back then though :(

I wish you luck. I know nearly nobody has no bills like me. I have nothing but the deepest empathy for the people I've posted with for years if they have a hard time today.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, September 9, 2014 5:03 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
That point seems to stand in stark contrast to the point of the original post.


Whooosh! Need I say more - went right over his head.

Yep, McCain is stupid, and he is your representative of the GOP because you are also stupid. McCain will only be the mouthpiece for the establishment GOP as long as the GOP insists upon losing - did you even notice that he managed to LOSE even with the best running mate of the past decade AND the most unworthy and incompetent opponent the libtards ever put up?

Perhaps FDR should not have worked with Stalin - we could have beat Hitler without him. We also should not have let any weapons fall into the hands of the Irish in WWII - they might become IRA.
You are such a genius - NOT.

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Tuesday, September 9, 2014 8:17 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

McCain will only be the mouthpiece for the establishment GOP as long as the GOP insists upon losing


Neither McCain or the GOP were responsible for the Romney debacle. That was all Mitt himself.

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Tuesday, September 9, 2014 10:43 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:

But congrats on having 20/20 hindsight, and seeing clearly now what we *should have* done then.

Republicans are sneaky and don't want to vote either for or against military action in Iraq: “A lot of people would like to stay on the sideline and say, ‘Just bomb the place and tell us about it later.’ It’s an election year. A lot of Democrats don’t know how it would play in their party, and Republicans don’t want to change anything. We like the path we’re on now. We can denounce it if it goes bad, and praise it if it goes well and ask what took him so long.” – Representative Jack Kingston, Republican of Georgia
www.nytimes.com/2014/09/09/us/as-obama-makes-case-congress-is-divided-
on-campaign-against-militants.html

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Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:13 PM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
That point seems to stand in stark contrast to the point of the original post.


Whooosh! Need I say more - went right over his head.

Yep, McCain is stupid, and he is your representative of the GOP because you are also stupid.



He's not *MY* representative of the GOP - he was yours. The GOP nominated him to lead the nation, and you and the raptard supported him. Seems to me that makes you both pretty fucking stupid, but that's news to nobody who's ever read any of your idiotic comments.

Quote:

McCain will only be the mouthpiece for the establishment GOP as long as the GOP insists upon losing - did you even notice that he managed to LOSE even with the best running mate of the past decade AND the most unworthy and incompetent opponent the libtards ever put up?


I keep trying... to post... something... in response... to... this... but... I can't... stop... laughing... long enough... to catch... my breath...

That... was fucking... FUNNY!

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Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:46 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

McCain will only be the mouthpiece for the establishment GOP as long as the GOP insists upon losing


Neither McCain or the GOP were responsible for the Romney debacle. That was all Mitt himself.


Establishment east-coast libtard RINO controlled GOP was to culpable and responsible for insisting upon losing again by making Romney their candidate.

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Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:52 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I am wondering if Hillary could possibly create an even worse foreign policy, but it is so hard to fathom such a catastrophe. Knowing her talents for ineptitude, I fear even more that she might succeed in such endeavors, so far beyond imagination.


Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
That point seems to stand in stark contrast to the point of the original post.


Whooosh! Need I say more - went right over his head.

Yep, McCain is stupid, and he is your representative of the GOP because you are also stupid.



He's not *MY* representative of the GOP - he was yours. The GOP nominated him to lead the nation, and you and the raptard supported him.


I don't know if RapKnight supported McCain, but I certainly never did, not for anything he ever did or tried to do.
I do and have supported Sarah Palin, but even that choice of running mate was not enough to convince me to vote for the ticket. I did try to consider if McCain would be abe to croak quickly, making her POTUS, but I just couldn't convince myself it might happen - fortunately, because the slug is still alive and continuing to spout gibberish.

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Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:09 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


But if the foreign policy helps Warmonger Obamination create and cultivate his very own war, doesn't that excuse how bad the policy was? Or maybe that was the whole point of the policy - is that still the worst?

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Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:06 PM

ELVISCHRIST


Nobody who supported the invasion of Iraq has any business ever criticizing any foreign policy matters ever again.


You fucking morons couldn't have possibly gotten it more wrong, and you are directly responsible for everything that has followed in that region. The single biggest foreign policy blunder in history was the invasion and occupation of Iraq, and it's going to continue costing us money and lives long after we're all dead and gone.

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Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:46 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Boo hoo.

The UN sanctions were never gonna work because the UN is the most corrupt on the planet.

Stop blaming Obama's current cluster of a foreign policy on stuff from over a decade ago.

Time to moveon, dingus.

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