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This is a perfect example of why video games are MOSTLY a bad thing.

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Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:39 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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Originally posted by NAVYSEILS:
I do care, that's why I'm bothering to have a conversation about this in the first place.

People going out with guns and blowing people away is not relevant to this conversation, that's a different matter entirely. Unless you're suggesting that as well as game designers being involved in a conspiracy with the government and wanting to break up marriages, they're also the reason for mass shootings?

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It's easier to blame and then write people off so you DON'T HAVE TO FEEL ANYTHING, isn't it??


Could I not argue that this is sort of what you are doing? Easier to blame the videogames than than feel that the you and the people you care about are responsible? Lay off the hyperbole, disagreeing with your view doesn't make me an emotionless husk. I can have empathy and see that you don't like videogames because you associate them with the situations you've seen around you. I can still think you are blaming a symptom of a problem rather than the source though.




Welcome to the world of having a discussion with Wish. She's an angry woman who blames everyone else for the woes of herself and her family.

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Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:45 PM

JO753

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She shoud. She'z mostly rite.

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Wednesday, October 1, 2014 8:59 AM

WISHIMAY


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Originally posted by JO753:
She shoud. She'z mostly rite.

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Wow. Thanks man, that took ballz!


And Magons, if you only had any idea how mad I am. There are things I can't even post on here...

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Wednesday, October 1, 2014 9:07 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER



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Wednesday, October 1, 2014 11:14 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'm still waiting for my car insurance to decrease because women's car insurance increases. What an arcane pile of bullshit that is. There are at least as many women on the road today as men. Now I can only speak for the offence of "tail-gating" because it is my NUMBER ONE pet peeve on the road.... But seriously, 9 out of 10 times I'm being tailgated it's by a woman.



That's not how insurance works. They do the number crunching on who is involved in accidents. So here if you are under 25 your premiums go up, and if you are male and under 25 you have an extra premium.

Of all the recent shitful driving I have come across, it's been young males pumped full of testosterone, and very possibly ice. Fuckers, I wish I had a camera attached to my car.



I know how insurance works. I know how taxes work. I've done plenty of research into both subjects with many favorable results to me on the back end.

This is exactly how car insurance works.

If you don't live in an area where women have very obviously become just as obnoxious and commandeering as men overall, it sounds like living in paradise to me.



Paying nearly zero for car insurance is one of the very few "perks" that women have been grandfathered into since they were mistreated as a "race".......

There isn't ONE SINGLE GUY that works for the government or the insurance companies that will risk their career to make this Equal.



Have fun with your subsidized car insurance, Ladies.

Please do try to be responsible with it, huh? ;)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, October 1, 2014 11:18 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by Wishimay:
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Originally posted by Oonjerah:


I agree completely. In fact, I can't blame the object. Else we'd all be addicts.



Except we CAN and we SHOULD in some cases.
Cigarettes. Cigarette companies put things they KNEW were addictive and toxic in their products. They KNEW as early as the twenties that they caused cancer just to be NEAR THEM and the eighties and nineties saw them become accountable for the ways they marketed to children and pushed it again and again on susceptible minds. Then let's talk about all the other products that have been knowingly misused and how the companies have had to admit responsibility and change or stop making it all together. I can think of a dozen just off the top of my head.

Gaming companies KNOW what they make are addictive. They engineer missions and levels that they KNOW will take hours to complete. They KNOW some people will play until they die. They KNOW that some children have no responsible oversight and they make such an addictive product that children can become so hooked they become obese and inactive.

You know those stupid tags on hair dryers that say "DO NOT IMMERSE IN WATER"?? Those are there because some people REALLY REALLY DO NOT KNOW THAT and hence need to be protected. It's not up to US to judge a persons intelligence, but I believe the onus of the burden of fighting addictability should ALSO fall on the product makers, as well as the people using them.

I'm NOT SAYING ban video games. I am saying that there should be more effort by the video game companies to limit addictiveness and increase awareness of the effects of video game addiction.



My video game systems in my house are 2 generations behind. I refuse to play any MMO online.

I'm a recluse as it is. The last thing I need is to add something like that to my reasons not to leave my house on Friday night.


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, October 1, 2014 7:07 PM

JO753

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Your welkum, Wishy.

Sum people get caught up in a vage notion uv self sufficiensy that leadz them to blame individualz for all their problemz - az if the machinery uv our sosiety iz perfect and each uv us must function within it without complaint.

An iconic scene, Magon. I gotta see that movie agen!

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Wednesday, October 1, 2014 7:18 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:



I know how insurance works. I know how taxes work. I've done plenty of research into both subjects with many favorable results to me on the back end.

This is exactly how car insurance works.

If you don't live in an area where women have very obviously become just as obnoxious and commandeering as men overall, it sounds like living in paradise to me.



Paying nearly zero for car insurance is one of the very few "perks" that women have been grandfathered into since they were mistreated as a "race".......

There isn't ONE SINGLE GUY that works for the government or the insurance companies that will risk their career to make this Equal.



Have fun with your subsidized car insurance, Ladies.

Please do try to be responsible with it, huh? ;)

Do Right, Be Right. :)



well the stats still show that men are much more likely be in serious car accidents and to be DUI than women, but perhaps you could move to Europe

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2315585/Woman-drivers-pay-pric
e-equality-insurance-premiums-soar-drops-men.html

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Wednesday, October 1, 2014 7:24 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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Originally posted by JO753:


Sum people get caught up in a vage notion uv self sufficiensy that leadz them to blame individualz for all their problemz - az if the machinery uv our sosiety iz perfect and each uv us must function within it without complaint.



I dont think society is perfect and I see that there are many ways in which our behaviour is driven by the machinery of it.

However, ultimately each of us does only have power over our own responses and it is up to each of us to take responsibility to the best of our ability.

Some people push all the blame back on the individual and dont look for external causes and some people put all the blame back of society and dont take individual responsibility for themselves. I have seen Wish fall into that category many times.

There is a middle ground.


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An iconic scene, Magon. I gotta see that movie agen!


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me too

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Sunday, February 21, 2016 12:51 PM

WISHIMAY

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Sunday, February 21, 2016 2:36 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Wish, you'll find extremes for any activity. Extreme eating? Check. Extreme dieting? Check. Extreme running or exercising? Check. Extreme alcoholism? Check. Extreme religiosity? Abstemiousness? Exhibitionism? Prudishness? Them too.

If you try to link games with our ultra-high murder rate, you'll have to explain away Canada and western Europe, where people play the same games but don't murder nearly as much. Because the murder rate is the only CONSISTENT difference I can think of between us and them.

But maybe it's not games per se. Maybe, just maybe, our society is so brutal to its members, with its ethic of 'work or die' because if you're not working you don't deserve anything, and so unrewarding and grinding, that we, its members, need to seek escape more than others. And we, its members, have incorporated the lessons our economy teaches us, that life is the Roman arena, the war of all against all, where no humanity is shown, or given.





SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, February 22, 2016 9:43 AM

JO753

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I'v started playing Asteroidz Deluxe and Simpsonz Hit&Run agen. I dont drive much theze dayz and am getting rusty. Theze 2 gamez utilize sum uv the same mental functionz az driving.

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Monday, February 22, 2016 6:37 PM

WISHIMAY


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Wish, you'll find extremes for any activity. Extreme eating? Check. Extreme dieting? Check. Extreme running or exercising? Check. Extreme alcoholism? Check. Extreme religiosity? Abstemiousness? Exhibitionism? Prudishness? Them too.


.... that life is the Roman arena, the war of all against all, where no humanity is shown, or given.




Oh, you are soo right. Guess I shouldn't notice or care that CHILDREN ARE BEING STARVED AND STOMPED TO DEATH. OVER A GAME. Don't say a word because people will die and kill doing lotsa dumb things???? And they do it because "life sucks"?

FUCK THAT.

FUCK THEM.

I HOPE THEY DIE SCREAMING FROM LACK OF FOOD UNTIL THEIR HEARTS STOP. To TRULY understand their actions. You wanna be a lazy, alcoholic, perv on your own time, FINE. But you go making a baby and let it starve to DEATH, you deserve the same fate!

If the only thing we can do as a society is hold these morons accountable, we should do that to the fullest extent.

Those that say "life is hard" and give people like that a pass, are every bit as culpable as those perpetrating the acts.




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Monday, February 22, 2016 9:12 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Guess I shouldn't notice or care that CHILDREN ARE BEING STARVED AND STOMPED TO DEATH. OVER A GAME."

First of all, the story says nothing about stomping.

And ... one example out of millions of people? It makes a very weak case against video games, especially when so many children die from personally directed violent abuse, due to alcohol or other drugs, mental illness or general assholery. Violence against children is a far greater problem than video games. And yet ... you say nothing about that.

I think you just enjoy being angry. Funny, I was talking to a stranger this morning at the restaurant, a man who was a Vietnam vet who admitted to having anger issues when he got back, who claimed to have turned his life around after finding his way back to the church (one of the many Protestant denominations). And yet when he was recounting a story, he looked like he relished his anger all over again. If he's really turned his back on his anger problem he should have looked abashed. And, I think, the things we're most ashamed of we don't admit to anyone at all. I think he still likes his anger.

Anger can be rewarding. It can make you feel more powerful. And who can't understand anger in a righteous cause, eh? In defense of those innocent victims of video games.






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Monday, February 22, 2016 10:21 PM

WISHIMAY


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Guess I shouldn't notice or care that CHILDREN ARE BEING STARVED AND STOMPED TO DEATH. OVER A GAME."

First of all, the story says nothing about stomping.

And ... one example out of millions of people? It makes a very weak case against video games




WHAT IS IT WITH YOU PEOPLE? I post one story and half of you think that is all there is out there? That it hasn't happened a million other times, that if I tried I couldn't find hundreds of other cases?? That EVERY instance has been reported to the news???

Jesus Fucking Christ, it's like talking to a damn ten year old!


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Tuesday, February 23, 2016 5:54 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by Wishimay:
But at the end of the day, it IS video games that are causing it. They ARE addictive to many people- esp. with OCD and ADD and ADHD, and those disorders are suffered by men far more than women. It's like when Coke actually had cocaine in it, or tons of caffeine in a Red Bull, or nicotine in cigs. Pandering to people with little resistance is a dirty move, but no one seems willing to admit it.



Men are hard-wired to make accomplishments.

It's not an OCD thing. It's Nature.

That being said, achievements and trophies on modern games, and trying to get 100% is addictive for men.

I'm completely obsessed with a "new" game, which is only a new game for me and is already 4 years old on an outdated system, but I've been spending 99% of my sober free time that I wasn't sleepling playing it.


I was SOOOOO much more productive when I had a real job and wasn't concerned about drug tests and could just smoke a few hits off my bat every night.

The addictions I replaced my pot smoking with are brutal on the liver and the eyes, and are probably turning my brain into JELLO.



Before I quit smoking weed I was engaged. I was interested in life and other people. I wanted to learn...

I had to quit smoking weed thought o find a "real" job...

Now I'm not only lazy and apathetic, but I am 20lbs heavier, I can "feel" my heartbeat in my ear on normal occassion, and I find zero pleasure in life and don't care if I wake up tomorrow morning.

Who cares if I wake up tomorrow. All I'm going to do is play that damned game anyhow.

It truly has become an obsession of mine. A sad, sad truth....

It shouldn't matter that I don't have a wife or kids to determine if this is sad.

Not as in "pathetic" sad, but truly sad. Look at your children, people!

Girls aren't even immune anymore. Some of the video games out today tell a better story than most of the Hollywould shit that comes out, and they get to "be a part of the adventure" as if it were a Choose Your Own Adventure book...



The silly thing was that back in 1985, there was no "Damsel in Distress" to save from the Wicked Bowser when we died a million times getting to the end of Super Mario Brothers.

Now there actually is, in "real life", and most of us simply dont' give a shit anymore.




Hrmmm....

Let's see....

I'm a single guy with zero bills.

I make more than I need, if just barely.

I like Video Games.

I like Sex.

The Brain is the Largest Sexual Organ.


River wasn't lying when She said She could kill you with Her brain...

I regularly have discussions with people who inevitably see that everything I say is the absolute truth.

I wouldn't expect anyone here to buy into that rubbish, but I'm just stating the facts of my particular situation. I regularly speak with both men and women who are compelled to kneel and debase themselves before me on a regular basis without me even prompting them to. It's just part of their "being" now...

Of course they know what I'm saying isn't the truth, but part of their kink is that they want to believe. They want their minds to be changed. They get off on knowing that something they hated yesterday they're completely in support of today.


River Tam didn't mean that She could physically kill somebody with Her brain...

Not even Psychically...

She was just giving a warning...

She could make somebody feel so amazing that they would beg River to sacrifice themselves for Her if She wanted....




"Here, There Be Dragons....."



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, February 24, 2016 6:01 PM

WISHIMAY


6ix, thank you for making my entire argument on the dangers of gaming and those that are too weak to stop... for me.

I rest my case.....

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Wednesday, February 24, 2016 9:51 PM

JO753

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Men are hard-wired to make accomplishments.



True dat!

And in order to accomplish anything, you are usually competing with a bunch uv other guyz, so in order to win, you haf to be obsessed.

Video gamez are a good outlet for the 99.99% who cant find sumthing real to obsess over.



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Thursday, February 25, 2016 10:33 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Originally posted by Wishimay:

WHAT IS IT WITH YOU PEOPLE? I post one story and half of you think that is all there is out there? That it hasn't happened a million other times, that if I tried I couldn't find hundreds of other cases?? That EVERY instance has been reported to the news???

Jesus Fucking Christ, it's like talking to a damn ten year old!



I still think you like your anger. You can only find the rare anecdotal story, you lie about what it says, you don't bring any data to the table so that anybody else can get a gage on how big a problem it is ... and you act like an asshole when someone disagrees with the case you, all on your own, are failing to make.

Maybe there's something going on in your personal life. Maybe hubby is working and bringing home a paycheck but checks out from every other aspect of his life at home, in front of video games. Maybe you're feeling like all the problems are on you, and feeling like you not only have no support, but you're isolated for adult company in your own home.

But it doesn't help your position on the topic or your situation irl to be an exaggerating rage-a-holic.




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Friday, February 26, 2016 12:20 AM

WISHIMAY


My problem is you... and the rest of this planet.

You have been watching the news for sixty years or so and you still have no idea what is going on.

Do you even realize that you only see a quarter of the news that actually happens? That it's sterilized before they put it out?

You have to want to know. To go looking.

But who does that? I mean, that would disrupt the "people are basically good" crap you tell yourself to get through the day. It allows us to get through one more day as a people in total brainwashing pretense. That everything will be "fine".

It won't be.

We are already a planet full of zombies...




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Friday, February 26, 2016 4:08 PM

JO753

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My dad woud watch the newz every nite and 60 Minits on Sunday. He had the impression that if he saw sum scandal expozed, that ment it wuz being taken care uv.

"Day cracking down on dat now."

Maybe true for individual casez, but therez alwayz another outrajus mass crime being perpetrated that 60 Minits haznt told us about yet. They never run out.


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Friday, February 26, 2016 9:37 PM

WISHIMAY


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Originally posted by JO753:
. They never run out.




You got that right, man.
You get it.

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Saturday, February 27, 2016 2:02 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"and you still have no idea what is going on"

Assume much?

Jack thinks I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth and I've spent my life cruising on the calm waters of privilege. You seem to think I'm some kind of Pollyanna who doesn't know about 'real' life.

Neither of you seem to understand I got where I am on my own, that I've lived in some very sketchy areas and seen very sketchy things courtesy of hospital work, especially the large county hospital I worked at. And for a large portion of my tenure at work I was also a union steward and negotiator and got to see up close the complete lack of ethics and total depravity of some of the people in power.

I watch as we're destroying the planet, and see people playing into the hands of the rulers, at the same time as they're going down in flames.

So, I guess I should just write off the entire human race, declare the situation as hopeless, and rail against anyone who says different.

Except - there are other societies that do things better. So it's not our fate. It's not our genetics. It's just that we've learned to believe certain things. And the interesting thing about learning is that new things can be learned that replace old thing that were learned.




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Thursday, March 17, 2016 12:28 AM

JO753

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They hav guyz like that on the Steve Wilkos show all the time.

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Thursday, March 17, 2016 11:22 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3495198/My-demons-came-Father-
beat-baby-girl-death-Xbox-controller-playing-violent-video-game.html


The heroin addict and alcohol abuser later told authorities he didn't remember killing the girl but said his 'demons came out' that evening, Seattle Pi reports.

A defense psychiatrist claimed that Ibrahim's horrific crimes were a result of him becoming obsessed with popular video game Destiny.

'It is my opinion that he was in the throes of a psychotic process at the time that Nawal died,' Dr Seth Cohen said in court papers.



He was pretty scrambled, either born that way, or due to drugs and alcohol, or both. it wasn't just due to video games.





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Monday, April 25, 2016 9:06 PM

WISHIMAY


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Originally posted by 1kiki:


So, I guess I should just write off the entire human race, declare the situation as hopeless, and rail against anyone who says different.




And pretending that things can be fixed while saying "look on the bright side" does just as much NOTHING, but at least one of us is livin' in reality land. Optimism is just denial in a less self-damaging form. It's happy state of delusionalism.

I don't believe this country CAN do better. I just spent ten minutes marveling at all the horrible hateful trolls that comment on that poor little girl that got shot by the uber driver. If people lack any notion of sympathy for a KID that gets shot, what chance is there for any meaningful change??

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Tuesday, April 26, 2016 1:27 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"I just spent ten minutes marveling at all the horrible hateful trolls that comment on that poor little girl that got shot by the uber driver. If people ..."

What percentage of the population do you think those trolls represent? 100%? 10%? 1%? 0.1%?

Let's see ... assuming that 1000 people trolled - and that's being generous to make sure I'm not being too optimistic ... and there are 251,200,000 adults in the US (2014 figures), the trolls represent 0.000398089% of the adult population in the US. But let's say there were 100,000 trolls, just to give your assessment of US 'people' a sporting chance. It's still just 0.0398089% of the US adult population.


I hope I've made my point - that your opinion of 'people' in the US is based on an infinitesimally small percentage, which for some coughdelusionalcough reason you think is a realistic representation of the whole.




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Tuesday, April 26, 2016 3:13 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Agree..............silly, silly, silly!


SGG


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Originally posted by Storymark:
I don't see how it really has anything to do with video games. Sounds like a lazy guy, and a woman who enables it. If it weren't video games, itd be football or something else.

Saying it's all because of video games is kinda silly, I feel.



“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”? Isaac Asimov


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Tuesday, April 26, 2016 3:55 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


In principle, I agree with your assessment. It's a relatively small number of "bad" folk out there that get their kicks "stomping on a dream" (as Sinatra would croon). Here's a solution, or, at least, a way to stem the tide.

Here's my proposal: change it. Hold the door open as you exit a store; smile; say please and thank you; stop complaining, we know that people are taught to be lazy, fat and stupid. And, this is for you especially JSF - stop being a dick.

If you don't agree with someone, fine, but don't hurl mud and shit at people.
Just simply say, I don't agree and be done with it. But if you go around insulting people and calling them names, well that doesn't help now does it? It tends to get
people's dander up. Most wise folk would ignore it, but, for the most part, people naturally would want to defend themselves. So, state your case and move on, that extra little dig isn't worth it.

By the way, that little girl that was shot by the Uber driver is a survivor.
Good on her for fighting the good fight.


SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"I just spent ten minutes marveling at all the horrible hateful trolls that comment on that poor little girl that got shot by the uber driver. If people ..."

What percentage of the population do you think those trolls represent? 100%? 10%? 1%? 0.1%?

Let's see ... assuming that 1000 people trolled - and that's being generous to make sure I'm not being too optimistic ... and there are 251,200,000 adults in the US (2014 figures), the trolls represent 0.000398089% of the adult population in the US. But let's say there were 100,000 trolls, just to give your assessment of US 'people' a sporting chance. It's still just 0.0398089% of the US adult population.


I hope I've made my point - that your opinion of 'people' in the US is based on an infinitesimally small percentage, which for some coughdelusionalcough reason you think is a realistic representation of the whole.




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Tuesday, April 26, 2016 4:11 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Good choice!


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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:



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Tuesday, April 26, 2016 8:40 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:


What percentage of the population do you think those trolls represent? 100%? 10%? 1%? 0.1%?

I hope I've made my point - that your opinion of 'people' in the US is based on an infinitesimally small percentage, which for some coughdelusionalcough reason you think is a realistic representation of the whole.




Again, you are trying to "look on the bright side" and rationalize away something that shouldn't BE rationalized away. Picking on a kid that's been shot SHOULDN'T EVER HAPPEN, for ANY REASON. And if you think that those comments aren't representative of a larger group YOU ARE DEAD WRONG.


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Tuesday, April 26, 2016 8:43 AM

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Tuesday, April 26, 2016 8:57 AM

WISHIMAY


I could keep doing this all day.

COMMON DENOMINATOR= VIDEOGAMES



File it under "Things that make it easier for a certain behavior to happen"

Just like guns.

There's a reason for all the laws, even if the laws are ridiculously ineffective. It's to hopefully get you to think...

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Saturday, August 6, 2016 12:23 AM

WISHIMAY


Here is an interesting article, but the comment section had the right answer.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/08/05/how-sleep-holds
-back-boys
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angrygreycatreads

1:18 PM CDT









As a teacher of teens, one of the big differences I find between my male and female students is video games. Boys are much more likely to be gamers and as such are on their consoles until 4 in the morning regularly (at least my students), then they sleep through their first couple classes. Students self report this to me, parents report that their children are doing this, and their friends will say. "I got up this morning and Jimmy was still playing from last night" Pew Research supports that boys are more likely than girls to be gamers and have access to game consoles Where 72% of all teens play computer/console based games, it is 84% of boys and only 59% of girls. There is other research that suggests that screen time right before attempting to sleep is problematic, so I would assume that gaming until 4 and then trying to catch a cat nap would not be good sleep hygenie. This is a parenting issue. Our school begins at 8:25 and that is fine for most of the students

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Sunday, August 7, 2016 4:05 PM

NAVYSEILS


Still doing a pretty good job of not really backing up your statement. You just found a comment on a random article that happens to support your point of view. It's the answer you're looking for, but I'm not convinced it's "right".
And even "angrygreycatreads" said it's a parenting issue.

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Sunday, August 7, 2016 7:58 PM

WISHIMAY


There isn't anything I could ever say that would convince you they aren't the dream boxes you seem to think they are, so why bother arguing your point? You aren't married, you don't have kids- have at it. I don't care as long as you only affect yourself. It's the generation of kids that are being affected that bothers me. They don't have any choices. They don't have any parents, either.

People are addicted. It's an addiction. Which explains the blowback when anyone bothers to point out it's an addiction, because addicts tend to not like it when you point out an addiction. Try talking about video gaming addiction seriously to a room of gamers and see how many death threats you get. You'll get the same reaction from a room of crack addicts, btw.

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Sunday, August 7, 2016 8:33 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


At my age, I know a number of parents of teenagers to young adults, and the parents of boys ALL have the same complaint: their boys spend hours and hours playing video games, to the exclusion of almost everything else (except eating). I know a couple of parents who have both a boy and a girl of similar ages, and the problem is with the boys.

But maybe the girls are all on Snapchat or FB.

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Sunday, August 7, 2016 9:52 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"People are addicted. It's an addiction. Which explains the blowback when anyone bothers to point out it's an addiction ..."

I agree that for some people, it's an addiction. Does that fact that I limited it to 'some' people make me an addict in denial? Well ... considering I don't play video games ...

I think I may have mentioned it before, but for one hospital job I had when I was a student, I used to do in-room EKG's. At the time they were uncommon, and involved cold, wet pads, and big, shiny electrodes, and wide rubber straps. But the thing is, no matter how novel it was, if the TV was on, within literally seconds, people would be glued to that TV. It was actually kind of creepy how quickly they tuned out of the real world, no matter what was going on. I came up with a theory that the TV people, through trial and error, had come up with a highly involving formula using close-ups, frequents cuts and shifting camera angles (as opposed to a single, static camera - so as to keep people from getting bored), melodrama, color, sound and motion, and probably other things I didn't notice. (Similar to how fast food places have come up with addictive foods, through seeing what people go for most.)

Games generally target males, and their formula is, I think, sex, violence, rapidly changing 'scenes', sound, color and of course an avatar's physical motion - shooting, running, etc - along with a 'feedback' that let's you know when you've 'done' something - your target burns up, or blows up, or changes ... I actually think the feedback is the most vital part. Without it, I think interest in the games would wither away (or they'd become pure porn).

So I think video games can be addictive, and intentionally or not, have been designed that way.

But they're not the source of all child abuse and neglect on the planet, for sure.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, August 8, 2016 2:43 AM

OONJERAH



1Kiki, "... video games can be addictive, and intentionally or not ..."

Excuse me ... places where they teach you to write code,
As for code for computer & video games, it's highly emphasized ...
Games Must Be Addictive!!

Game companies may require a number of other game attributes,
But "Addictive" is real close to #1. ... Intentionally.



... oooOO}{OOooo ...

The meaning of life is Escape. Now all I want is a super Compulsive game.

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Monday, August 8, 2016 11:57 AM

NAVYSEILS


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
There isn't anything I could ever say that would convince you they aren't the dream boxes you seem to think they are, so why bother arguing your point?



I'm not convinced they're dream boxes, they're just games. They're a form of entertainment like movies, music, tv, board games, books. There are good games, there are bad games. There are positive elements, there are negative elements. My problem is that you are trying to present the point that they are "MOSTLY" a bad thing, and I think that is simply and observably not true. It seems to me that you personally have a very big problem with videogames and are selectively seeing only the negative in them and sharing some examples of these in the belief that it proves your point.

Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
You aren't married, you don't have kids- have at it.


I don't see how my marital status and lack of children change things. If we're talking about how videogames are mostly a bad thing, I have as much (probably more) exposure to them as anyone else in the thread.

Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
It's the generation of kids that are being affected that bothers me. They don't have any choices. They don't have any parents, either.


Which generation of kids is it? Because the generation above me complained about videogames when I was younger, still complain now. We turned out alright. The kids below me? On the whole they seem to be doing ok too. And of course there are choices, and most of the children within a generation probably have parents too. It seems like you're referring to specific individual cases again.

Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
People are addicted. It's an addiction. Which explains the blowback when anyone bothers to point out it's an addiction, because addicts tend to not like it when you point out an addiction. Try talking about video gaming addiction seriously to a room of gamers and see how many death threats you get.


Some people probably are addicted. The death threats thing you mention is probably disappointingly common too. Maybe not so much in face to face situations, but certainly in online threads. That is a definite problem that needs to be addressed and while not exclusive to videogames - it seems to be an internet cultural issue - the videogames "community" does seem to attract a lot of it. I think it's more an arsehole problem than an addition problem. Lack of accountability, lack of face to face interaction.

I think 1KIKI is much closer to the mark. Videogames are addicting for some people, just due to that nature of the risk/reward challenge and feedback loop. Some people will get hooked. I'd say there is a subset of games, mostly in the free-to-play model, that are actually deliberately hooking into the addictive nature of that loop to get people to pay money. Sometimes it's not too bad, but sometimes it seems quite insidious. Almost like relying on that minority of people getting hooked to get paid, making it prohibitive to progress without money. But that is not all games, they're not inherently bad things that are responsible for all these problems claimed. I'm not quite sure why without the feedback games would just become porn though, that seems like a leap. Unless you'd also describe all movies generally as porn?

I just think there is a lot more to videogames that people are wilfully ignorant of. Games can tell engaging stories, some of them get a bit artsy and explore themes and feelings with the gamey/feedback part taking a backseat to the narrative. Some encourage creativity, learning and teamwork. They can be very social both in a real world go out and meet new people, discover new places pokemon go type of way and a connecting people online from across huge distances kind of way. For the most part, they're just good fun. I think a lot of the concerns with what they're doing to the kids of today could be taken away if the parents doing the complaining took more interest in what games their kids were playing. If you don't want them playing violent shooter games, there are a lot of other options out there. Don't buy them call of duty, maybe look into something else you could introduce them to instead. I also find it frustrating that many of the complaints about kids spending all their time on the videogames come from people who wouldn't bat an eyelid at coming home from work and sitting in front of tv shows for the evening. It's just not yet shed it's stigma as the new thing that's ruining kids these days. It'll pass.


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Monday, August 8, 2016 2:19 PM

WISHIMAY


From what I have seen, they ARE a negative thing. And like I said, you just affect yourself. You aren't ignoring a hungry, dirty child or your relationship with a spouse, but I assure you, if you were to have those things you would see what a problem it is firsthand.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/12/child-abuse-negle
ct/2803099
/
• Nationally, more than three-quarters of these (reported abuse) cases are classified as neglect, 8% as physical abuse and 9% as sexual abuse. Specific rates vary among states.


Let's not even get into Pokemon Go. I'm guessing you haven't seen the hundreds of articles about the people walking off cliffs, into oncoming vehicles, invading private properties, leaving kids alone for hours...

No, you see teamwork, and mobility and all the good funzies to be had. You aren't looking at the bad because you don't want to. You rationalize it all out. You admit there is a lot of asses in gaming, but you honestly don't think the fact they are addicted has anything to do with it. Maybe if they weren't gamers they would learn to interact and NOT BE asses.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree. You think I'm looking for a scapegoat for a problem you don't think exists and I think you are intentionally marginalizing the effects of gaming simply because you enjoy it and you don't think it has affected you. I submit that the fact that you look at relationships with people as less important than gaming means it has affected you. Who knows who you would have been if you weren't a gamer??

BTW, I just filled out a TV survey and was shocked to find all 3 of us together watched less than 5 hours in a week, with my daughter watching the most, and it was primarily instructional tv. So, no....not a hypocrite. Or a porn addict, though men seem to have that addiction problem more as well.


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Monday, August 8, 2016 2:51 PM

NAVYSEILS


Yes, I'm not ignoring a hungry dirty child or a spouse. If I had a child or spouse I doubt I would see this problem you mention, because video games wouldn't cause me to neglect them. I don't neglect any of my other relationships in favour of games, I don't see why that would be different.
The article you linked has no connection to video games at all. Are you suggesting I don't think neglect and abuse is a problem? That's not true, both of those exist and need to be dealt with.

Regarding pokemon go, I've seen hundreds of articles about dozens of incidents like those that you mentioned. Again those are a minority. Millions of people play video games, some of them are idiots and will do stupid things. This does not indicate a video game problem. Have you not also seen all the positivity around the game or do you filter that out?

I disagree with your assessment that I rationalise it out and don't see the bad because I don't want to. I've pointed out problems, you've acknowledged that I pointed out some problems. I know more problems exist. I may have a deeper knowledge of the problems than you do because I actually do play games and have an interest in them. You take issue because I don't see problems exclusively. I recognise that some of what you say has truth, just not to the extent that you claim. You seem to reject wholeheartedly that there could be any truth to what I'm saying.

I think you're being highly irrational, so we probably will have to agree to disagree. I don't think you're looking for scapegoat for a problem that doesn't exist. I suspect you're looking for a scapegoat for a problem that does exist, but it exists in your life specifically. You also assume it to be a fact that I think relationships with people are less important than video games, this is just silly. I maintain healthy relationships with people, hell there are people on this very site that I've became very close to. Been friends for ten years or so now. Speak to them every day, I fly out to visit them. You may choose to put a negative spin on it, but sometimes I even play video games with people I care deeply about. And it can help make us feel better when we can't be together in the same place. Some of my friends don't play video games at all, and we still get on just fine.

I maintain that you have failed to show that they're mostly a bad thing. You've just shown that you don't like them very much.

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