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Thursday, October 30, 2014 7:52 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


In Hawaii, some volcano has been erupting for years, and is how having it's lava flow overtake homes. Officials claim that they cannot redirect the flow, that it is not possible to redirect the flow away from the town, or the homes. Apparently they have been unable to do what most other societies have done to deflect/redirect lava flow away from cities.
Trenches are one way, and application of water (cools lava, making it's own dam) are 2 ways. I wonder where, in a place like Hawaii, would they ever find a water supply. Shirley the Pacific Ocean does not have enough water to spare.
One homeowner has dug a trench in his own yard to redirect the flow away from his home, but people are upset because they think that that means it would flow towards their homes instead - but wait, the very idea of redirecting the flow has been deigned invalid by the officials.

Troops, like National Guard or something, are told they may need to go onto this guy's property and fill in his trench, so the lava won't be redirected away from his house. But wait, this is the same government who says the flow cannot be redirected - so why bother wasting time with something which they have already declared will have no effect.

Does this make sense to anybody but the most libtarded?

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Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:01 PM

AURAPTOR

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Unless the guy has some serious digging equipment, I don't see it doing much good. I mean, there are miles of lava behind the leading edge, so it would take a serious grating effort to divert it to any significant degree.


I find it curious that " for the greater good " may apply here, but it seems to hold no sway w/ Obama when it comes to Ebola.

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Friday, October 31, 2014 5:35 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I did forget to mention that Lava Flow normally does not flow uphill. So, much like diverting gravity-based flows - like a stream or river of water - altering the path of flow is not that difficult of concept to master.

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Unless the guy has some serious digging equipment, I don't see it doing much good. I mean, there are miles of lava behind the leading edge, so it would take a serious grating effort to divert it to any significant degree.


I find it curious that " for the greater good " may apply here, but it seems to hold no sway w/ Obama when it comes to Ebola.


To move a lava flow a dozen feet, to miss a house is not that hard. When the lava cools, it makes it's own dam or blockage for the oncoming flow behind it. It is not a wave of lava, it is more like streams. Using trenches to divert and water to cool the leading lava itself works in every other continent, but apparently not among Libtard Hawaiians. Lava goes where gravity demands, it does not need to go in one direction and keep in that direction.

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Sunday, November 2, 2014 2:18 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Unless the guy has some serious digging equipment, I don't see it doing much good. I mean, there are miles of lava behind the leading edge, so it would take a serious grating effort to divert it to any significant degree.


I find it curious that " for the greater good " may apply here, but it seems to hold no sway w/ Obama when it comes to Ebola.


Perhaps my point was missed.
If digging a trench does in fact have no effect on the lava flow, then what is the reason for having government troops fill it back in? If they need to fill in the trench, does this not indicate that it may do some good? If it will not do any good, there is no need to have the government direct that they invade or trespass his land to fill in the trench. In the face of a moving lava flowing towards a town, does the government have nothing better to do?

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Sunday, November 2, 2014 2:44 PM

ELVISCHRIST





Is it the government's job to tell lava where to flow?


Where are all the private corporations dying to make a profit off redirecting the lava?


Where is the free market?

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Sunday, November 2, 2014 6:53 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Unless the guy has some serious digging equipment, I don't see it doing much good. I mean, there are miles of lava behind the leading edge, so it would take a serious grating effort to divert it to any significant degree.


I find it curious that " for the greater good " may apply here, but it seems to hold no sway w/ Obama when it comes to Ebola.


Perhaps my point was missed.

If digging a trench does in fact have no effect on the lava flow, then what is the reason for having government troops fill it back in? If they need to fill in the trench, does this not indicate that it may do some good? If it will not do any good, there is no need to have the government direct that they invade or trespass his land to fill in the trench. In the face of a moving lava flowing towards a town, does the government have nothing better to do?



Even if it's just 1 guy w/ a shovel, the mere INTENT may be enough for the govt to act. It doesn't take much.

I have no idea what he's using, how big a trench he dug, the lay of the land , etc...

It may all be a moot point, in a few weeks, months anyway. Both his and the govt's efforts may go up in smoke.

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Sunday, November 2, 2014 6:57 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Good points ... that completely went past our Reich-whinge.

Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:



Is it the government's job to tell lava where to flow?


Where are all the private corporations dying to make a profit off redirecting the lava?


Where is the free market?






SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Sunday, November 2, 2014 8:21 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:

Is it the government's job to tell lava where to flow?


Apparently the govt thinks so , yes.

Quote:




Where are all the private corporations dying to make a profit off redirecting the lava?



Why do you even care? If YOU can think of a way to profit, then go there your own damn self. Of course, the govt may tell you to leave. That's what govt's are good for.

Quote:


Where is the free market?



you're asking the same question twice.

Prolly because it's beyond your ability to understand.

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Sunday, November 2, 2014 8:28 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I'm sure you have cites for all of this.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Sunday, November 2, 2014 10:51 PM

AURAPTOR

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RCMP... mentally ill... and such.

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Sunday, November 2, 2014 11:20 PM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:

Is it the government's job to tell lava where to flow?


Apparently the govt thinks so , yes.

Quote:




Where are all the private corporations dying to make a profit off redirecting the lava?



Why do you even care? If YOU can think of a way to profit, then go there your own damn self. Of course, the govt may tell you to leave. That's what govt's are good for.

Quote:


Where is the free market?



you're asking the same question twice.

Prolly because it's beyond your ability to understand.





So you don't think you could make money redirecting lava away from homes?


Wow, you have even less faith in the free market than I thought you did!

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Monday, November 3, 2014 12:04 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So, no cites. As always, poop came out of your head and splattered here. No wonder you have to get your pumpkin refilled so often at your local Reich-whinge radio show.

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
RCMP... mentally ill... and such.






SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, November 3, 2014 5:40 AM

AURAPTOR

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You don't even know what the hell you're talking about. Just bitter little loser trolls, kiki and EC, so full of mental refuse and pent up angst, that being vulgar on some internet message board is the bright spot of your otherwise miserable lives.

Truly sad.


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Monday, November 3, 2014 10:50 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So, no cites - as always. You don't even PRETEND to address the facts. No wonder we all think you're an asshole. Except rapSF. He feels sorry for you because he thinks you're stupid. That's why he keeps trying to rescue you.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, November 3, 2014 1:54 PM

AURAPTOR

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What lava cites would you want ?

Seriously.

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Monday, November 3, 2014 2:50 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


You can't read your own posts? Figures.





SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, November 3, 2014 3:53 PM

AURAPTOR

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RCMP.. mentally ill... blah blah blah.

I asked you a specific question, and you bailed.


Color me not surprised.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Monday, November 3, 2014 4:01 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




I find it curious that " for the greater good " may apply here, but it seems to hold no sway w/ Obama when it comes to Ebola.



Even if it's just 1 guy w/ a shovel, the mere INTENT may be enough for the govt to act. It doesn't take much.
I have no idea what he's using, how big a trench he dug, the lay of the land , etc...
It may all be a moot point, in a few weeks, months anyway. Both his and the govt's efforts may go up in smoke.



(Is it the government's job to tell lava where to flow?) Apparently the govt thinks so , yes.



I'm sure you have cites for all of this. Yanno, all of the claims YOU made in YOUR OWN POSTS that you can't seem to read.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, November 3, 2014 4:26 PM

AURAPTOR

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What the HELL are you even talking about - CITES ??? ?

WHAT DAMN CITES ??

I SAID I didn't know the details of the story, but by simple deduction, the govt threatening to fill in any ditches this man digs is , the govt is determining where the lava will or won't flow, w/ regards to this man's property.

Good frelling god, you folks are obsessed w/ "beating" me, at any micron of a issue, it's pathetic.

Funny, I suppose, but it doesn't take long to see the sad state you and EC are in, so hell bent in trying to vilify me or anyone who doesn't agree w/ you.

Get a life already.

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Monday, November 3, 2014 4:32 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


cites from the story you seem to think exists .... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, November 3, 2014 4:45 PM

AURAPTOR

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In real life, you know, when you're talking to actual people, who aren't staring at a monitor , do you blurt out " CITES ? " when ever in the midst of a casual conversation ?

I kinda bet you do, which would explain so very much.





Cool pic. Sucks to be that homeowner though.

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Monday, November 3, 2014 5:11 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So, you have no cites for the claims you made. Got it.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Tuesday, November 4, 2014 2:30 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, you have no cites for the claims you made. Got it.



RCMP knew him to be mentally ill

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Tuesday, November 4, 2014 5:43 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, you have no cites for the claims you made. Got it.



RCMP knew him to be mentally ill


I'm not following the RCMP reference. You mean the Royal Canadian Mounted Police knew somebody on Hawaii was mentally ill?

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Tuesday, November 4, 2014 10:19 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


In a thread about the shooter in Ottawa I posted that the guy was known to be mentally ill by the RCMP. Since he couldn't - and still can't - connect the dots between his topic about the shooter and my post about the shooter, it is, to him, an example of off-topic irrelevant posting.

Which says a lot about his irrelevant presence on the board.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Wednesday, December 3, 2014 7:52 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Unless the guy has some serious digging equipment, I don't see it doing much good. I mean, there are miles of lava behind the leading edge, so it would take a serious grating effort to divert it to any significant degree.


I find it curious that " for the greater good " may apply here, but it seems to hold no sway w/ Obama when it comes to Ebola.


Perhaps my point was missed.

If digging a trench does in fact have no effect on the lava flow, then what is the reason for having government troops fill it back in? If they need to fill in the trench, does this not indicate that it may do some good? If it will not do any good, there is no need to have the government direct that they invade or trespass his land to fill in the trench. In the face of a moving lava flowing towards a town, does the government have nothing better to do?



Even if it's just 1 guy w/ a shovel, the mere INTENT may be enough for the govt to act. It doesn't take much.

I have no idea what he's using, how big a trench he dug, the lay of the land , etc...

It may all be a moot point, in a few weeks, months anyway. Both his and the govt's efforts may go up in smoke.


But this bypasses the point. If the trench does not make a difference, why bother agruing that it does make a difference?

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Wednesday, December 3, 2014 9:04 PM

AURAPTOR

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Dude...been a month since I posted last in this thread. Has the lava cooled yet ?

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Wednesday, December 3, 2014 9:56 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Hawaii road re-opens as lava flow stalls; motorists asked to not stop for lava gawking

November 27, 2014
Associated Press

Quote:

PAHOA, Hawaii – Hawaii County's civil defense director is asking motorists not to stop on a newly reopened road in a rural town to get a look at lava that has stalled less than 500 feet away.

A section of Pahoa Village Road that closed last month as lava threatened to cross it was re-opened Wednesday.

Lava from Kilauea volcano crossed a country road in Pahoa last month and residents braced for it to cover Pahoa Village Road, which goes through downtown. But the lava has been stalled for several weeks.

Hawaii County Civil Defense Director Darryl Oliveira says the hardened lava is on private property.

While the lava's leading edge remains stalled, the civil defense agency says breakouts upslope remain active Thursday. However, the breakouts don't pose any immediate threat.


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Wednesday, December 3, 2014 10:11 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:



Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Hawaii road re-opens as lava flow stalls; motorists asked to not stop for lava gawking





Classic 'move along folks, show's over, nothing to see here ' ...



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Thursday, December 4, 2014 6:41 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Dude...been a month since I posted last in this thread. Has the lava cooled yet ?


Even if it was a year ago, it does not discount the lack of logic to declare that an action which has no effect must be undone to stop it's effect.

If it has not effect, leave it be.
If it has effect, use that effect to divert the lava flow away from the homes.

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