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Saturday, January 15, 2022 5:01 PM

BRENDA


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

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Originally posted by Brenda:
There has been a baby boom on the west coast here, of the whale variety. 2 different groups have increased their numbers. A group of Humpbacks had 21 calves born in 2021 which is almost double from 2020 and the Southern transient orcas had 11 calves born in 2021.

Oh, very nice!



It is a very good sign. Now they just have to grow up.

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Saturday, January 15, 2022 5:04 PM

BRENDA


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

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Originally posted by Brenda:
Out for a walk in the rain soon. 8C right now and last night had a good dose of fog roll in.

I've always enjoyed fog. Maybe it's just my imagination, but it seems like things are quieter and more peaceful when there's fog.



I like fog too. Used to like walking in it going to school and just let my mind wander.

It even makes a train horn sound pleasant. I find it takes some of the harshness out of it.

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Saturday, January 15, 2022 5:06 PM

BRENDA


Back from my walk but couldn't find anything appetizing in the grocery store but I think I can stretch my supper till tomorrow. Or if not I have a can of soup on hand.

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Saturday, January 15, 2022 6:04 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
It's been a hot couple of days. House seems to remain cool enough without aircon so long as I leave the blinds down and ceiling fans on and then open up in the evening. Went for a forest walk yesterday evening and saw two swamp wallabies - not together. They are the cutest little things..like this






Are they always that, erm, round?

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Hehe They are very small headed and round. They are quite a different looking subspecies to some of the other wallabies and kangaroos.

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Saturday, January 15, 2022 6:07 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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Originally posted by Brenda:
There has been a baby boom on the west coast here, of the whale variety. 2 different groups have increased their numbers. A group of Humpbacks had 21 calves born in 2021 which is almost double from 2020 and the Southern transient orcas had 11 calves born in 2021.



How wonderful. Do you get to see them?

Summer storms have passed. My front porch always gets a lot of rain and dust on it. I live on the low side of the road and it is unmade, so it's a pain to clean.


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Saturday, January 15, 2022 7:58 PM

BRENDA


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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
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Originally posted by Brenda:
There has been a baby boom on the west coast here, of the whale variety. 2 different groups have increased their numbers. A group of Humpbacks had 21 calves born in 2021 which is almost double from 2020 and the Southern transient orcas had 11 calves born in 2021.



How wonderful. Do you get to see them?

Summer storms have passed. My front porch always gets a lot of rain and dust on it. I live on the low side of the road and it is unmade, so it's a pain to clean.




No, unfortunately I don't. Just pictures on the news.

Glad your summer storms are out of there. Where I am on the west coast of Canada are still facing a few more winter storms, I would imagine. There is rain heading my way in the next day or so.

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Saturday, January 15, 2022 8:24 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hubby has his drill press, table saw and bandsaw on locking/rolling platforms. They allow him to reconfigure his (small) shop to accommodate various sized projects and they work great.

Don't frigs comes with wheels already, tho?

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Maybe newer, larger, more expensive ones do? Mine is I guess 2 decades old, if not older, and it has those 'leveling' feet on it you get on washing machines - that are basically large threaded bolts through a frame hole with feet pads on the bottom, for raising and lowering. What I'm saying is - old, small, and cheap! But it still works!

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Saturday, January 15, 2022 8:26 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Hey Magon's - just how short are those cuties, anyway?

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Saturday, January 15, 2022 9:58 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Thanks for the tip! I don't know why it took me so long to think about it, but I've had a hard time maintaining an adequate diet, and it finally occurred to me that it might help.


I think the reason why it didn't come to mind is because Boost (and Ensure) have always been notoriously low in protein, more like milkshakes and sugar with some vitamins thrown in.

That seems like a dumb thing to say.

Before the energy drink changed names to Boost (and got remarketed), it was 12oz, 360 calories (approx 1/3 of a 1,000 calorie per day diet), and all 27 vitamins and minerals had 35% USRDA. Protein was 35% USRDA. It was started in the late 1960s under the name Nutrament, which was discontinued when Boost debuted.

When the name was changed to Boost, the size was reduced to 8oz with 240 calories, and all 27 vitamins and minerals plus protein each provided 25% USRDA. There was also a High Protein formula, and I don't recall the quantity, but I was past my peak fitness years and didn't feel I needed the extra protein. This formula and packaging continued for more than 20 years.

After the evil Nestle purchased the brand, it recently changed formula (in the past year or 2). Currently the protein is down to 20% with the same 240 calories. The current vitamins and minerals:

50% - vit E, vit C, chromium,
45% - vit B12,
40% - Riboflavin,
35% - vit B6, copper, manganese,
30% - vit D, zinc,
25% - Calcium, iron, vit K, thiamine, folate, biotin, pantothenic acid, iodine, magnesium, selenium, molybdenum,
20% - vit A, niacin, phosphorus,
10% - Potassium, chloride, choline


So, are you lying yet again? Are you talking out of your bung? Or do you really think that 35% protein is out of line with 35% for each of 27 vitamins and minerals, and 25% protein is out of line with 25% for each of 27 vitamins and minerals?




Sigs: I see now that the name Nutrament is resurrected, with 16g protein in 12oz can. I have not seen it in a store yet, and cannot find details about the formula, I want to find it now. Maybe you would want to try it. It has always had more flavors, now with new Eggnog and Mango, most of the other flavors were available in the 70s and 80s.

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Saturday, January 15, 2022 10:42 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hubby has his drill press, table saw and bandsaw on locking/rolling platforms. They allow him to reconfigure his (small) shop to accommodate various sized projects and they work great.

Don't frigs comes with wheels already, tho?

I don't think I have ever seen a fridge on wheels, regardless of size or application. That would be weird. The key factor for fridges is to have self closing doors, drawers - so leveling is critical, otherwise gravity does not closed and seal the doors. Maybe chest freezers, with a top lid - but I don't recall seeing that either. Refrigerant systems do not fare well with lots of movement, due to the sediment dislodging and jamming up the insides. This is why used fridges and freezers need to be kept level upright when moving.

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Saturday, January 15, 2022 11:05 PM

BRENDA


Another dose of heavy fog for where I am for this evening.

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Sunday, January 16, 2022 2:02 PM

BRENDA


Fog rolled in last night then rolled out and rolled back in again.

As for today just a lazy Sunday.

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Sunday, January 16, 2022 2:27 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Thanks for the tip! I don't know why it took me so long to think about it, but I've had a hard time maintaining an adequate diet, and it finally occurred to me that it might help.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I think the reason why it didn't come to mind is because Boost (and Ensure) have always been notoriously low in protein, more like milkshakes and sugar with some vitamins thrown in.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
That seems like a dumb thing to say.

Before the energy drink changed names to Boost (and got remarketed), it was 12oz, 360 calories (approx 1/3 of a 1,000 calorie per day diet), and all 27 vitamins and minerals had 35% USRDA. Protein was 35% USRDA. It was started in the late 1960s under the name Nutrament, which was discontinued when Boost debuted.

When the name was changed to Boost, the size was reduced to 8oz with 240 calories, and all 27 vitamins and minerals plus protein each provided 25% USRDA. There was also a High Protein formula, and I don't recall the quantity, but I was past my peak fitness years and didn't feel I needed the extra protein. This formula and packaging continued for more than 20 years.

After the evil Nestle purchased the brand, it recently changed formula (in the past year or 2). Currently the protein is down to 20% with the same 240 calories. The current vitamins and minerals:

50% - vit E, vit C, chromium,
45% - vit B12,
40% - Riboflavin,
35% - vit B6, copper, manganese,
30% - vit D, zinc,
25% - Calcium, iron, vit K, thiamine, folate, biotin, pantothenic acid, iodine, magnesium, selenium, molybdenum,
20% - vit A, niacin, phosphorus,
10% - Potassium, chloride, choline


So, are you lying yet again? Are you talking out of your bung? Or do you really think that 35% protein is out of line with 35% for each of 27 vitamins and minerals, and 25% protein is out of line with 25% for each of 27 vitamins and minerals?




Sigs: I see now that the name Nutrament is resurrected, with 16g protein in 12oz can. I have not seen it in a store yet, and cannot find details about the formula, I want to find it now. Maybe you would want to try it. It has always had more flavors, now with new Eggnog and Mango, most of the other flavors were available in the 70s and 80s.

Boost original has

10g of protein, and no indication if it's 'complete' protein
37g of carbs, 15g of which are 'added sugars', and 0(zero) fiber

As I said, not enough protein and of uncertain quality, and far too much sugar - like a milkshake with some vitamins and minerals thrown in.
https://www.boost.com/products/boost-original

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Sunday, January 16, 2022 3:17 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Thanks for the tip! I don't know why it took me so long to think about it, but I've had a hard time maintaining an adequate diet, and it finally occurred to me that it might help.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I think the reason why it didn't come to mind is because Boost (and Ensure) have always been notoriously low in protein, more like milkshakes and sugar with some vitamins thrown in.

Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
That seems like a dumb thing to say.

Before the energy drink changed names to Boost (and got remarketed), it was 12oz, 360 calories (approx 1/3 of a 1,000 calorie per day diet), and all 27 vitamins and minerals had 35% USRDA. Protein was 35% USRDA. It was started in the late 1960s under the name Nutrament, which was discontinued when Boost debuted.

When the name was changed to Boost, the size was reduced to 8oz with 240 calories, and all 27 vitamins and minerals plus protein each provided 25% USRDA. There was also a High Protein formula, and I don't recall the quantity, but I was past my peak fitness years and didn't feel I needed the extra protein. This formula and packaging continued for more than 20 years.

After the evil Nestle purchased the brand, it recently changed formula (in the past year or 2). Currently the protein is down to 20% with the same 240 calories. The current vitamins and minerals:

50% - vit E, vit C, chromium,
45% - vit B12,
40% - Riboflavin,
35% - vit B6, copper, manganese,
30% - vit D, zinc,
25% - Calcium, iron, vit K, thiamine, folate, biotin, pantothenic acid, iodine, magnesium, selenium, molybdenum,
20% - vit A, niacin, phosphorus,
10% - Potassium, chloride, choline


So, are you lying yet again? Are you talking out of your bung? Or do you really think that 35% protein is out of line with 35% for each of 27 vitamins and minerals, and 25% protein is out of line with 25% for each of 27 vitamins and minerals?




Sigs: I see now that the name Nutrament is resurrected, with 16g protein in 12oz can. I have not seen it in a store yet, and cannot find details about the formula, I want to find it now. Maybe you would want to try it. It has always had more flavors, now with new Eggnog and Mango, most of the other flavors were available in the 70s and 80s.

Boost original has

10g of protein, and no indication if it's 'complete' protein
37g of carbs, 15g of which are 'added sugars', and 0(zero) fiber

As I said, not enough protein and of uncertain quality, and far too much sugar - like a milkshake with some vitamins and minerals thrown in.
https://www.boost.com/products/boost-original

HEY!! DUMMY!!

WAKE UP!!


I already clearly stated that the evil Nestle had recently reformulated Boost to drop the protein down to 20% USRDA, which is 10g - along with decreasing many of the other 27 vitamins and minerals.
I did not include that Mead-Johnson changed the name to Boost in 1994, or that Novartis bought Mead-Johnson in 2003. Nestle acquired Novartis in 2007.

How did you get so stupid ? Or illiterate? Can you not comprehend fairly simple written American English?



Within it's 53 year history, the past year or 2 does not qualify as your idiotic "always" - no matter how gullible you are or often you say so.


When it was in a formula providing 25% (or 35%) USRDA of vitamins & minerals, what do you propose was the most fitting amount of protein? 50%? 100%? 200%? 500%? What?

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Sunday, January 16, 2022 9:58 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Thanks for the tip! I don't know why it took me so long to think about it, but I've had a hard time maintaining an adequate diet, and it finally occurred to me that it might help.


I think the reason why it didn't come to mind is because Boost (and Ensure) have always been notoriously low in protein, more like milkshakes and sugar with some vitamins thrown in.

That seems like a dumb thing to say.

Before the energy drink changed names to Boost (and got remarketed), it was 12oz, 360 calories (approx 1/3 of a 1,000 calorie per day diet), and all 27 vitamins and minerals had 35% USRDA. Protein was 35% USRDA. It was started in the late 1960s under the name Nutrament, which was discontinued when Boost debuted.

When the name was changed to Boost, the size was reduced to 8oz with 240 calories, and all 27 vitamins and minerals plus protein each provided 25% USRDA. There was also a High Protein formula, and I don't recall the quantity, but I was past my peak fitness years and didn't feel I needed the extra protein. This formula and packaging continued for more than 20 years.

After the evil Nestle purchased the brand, it recently changed formula (in the past year or 2). Currently the protein is down to 20% with the same 240 calories. The current vitamins and minerals:

50% - vit E, vit C, chromium,
45% - vit B12,
40% - Riboflavin,
35% - vit B6, copper, manganese,
30% - vit D, zinc,
25% - Calcium, iron, vit K, thiamine, folate, biotin, pantothenic acid, iodine, magnesium, selenium, molybdenum,
20% - vit A, niacin, phosphorus,
10% - Potassium, chloride, choline


So, are you lying yet again? Are you talking out of your bung? Or do you really think that 35% protein is out of line with 35% for each of 27 vitamins and minerals, and 25% protein is out of line with 25% for each of 27 vitamins and minerals?




Sigs: I see now that the name Nutrament is resurrected, with 16g protein in 12oz can. I have not seen it in a store yet, and cannot find details about the formula, I want to find it now. Maybe you would want to try it. It has always had more flavors, now with new Eggnog and Mango, most of the other flavors were available in the 70s and 80s.

looks like I have a correction, or more complete info, to make. After Nestle changed the basic formula to no longer be equal USRDA across all 27 vitamins, minerals, and plus protein, I had not recalled all of the details of the changes (prior formulas maintained the same proportions through all flavors).
The above nutrition details are for the chocolate flavor. I now notice that the strawberry have mostly the same vitamin and mineral proportions, but differences are copper 20% and chromium 25%.
Peaches and cream flavor is the same as strawberry.

I don't know what differences are in vanilla flavor.




Boost continues to not include any High Fructose Corn Syrup.

I just noticed again that Ensure is contaminated with sucralose, which is a trichlorinate. Only a moron like Kiki would conflate a poison like this product with a nutrition drink like Boost or the original, Nutrament.

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Sunday, January 16, 2022 10:49 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




You didn't click on the link, I see.

What I posted was BOOST - ORIGINAL FORMULA.

I got introduced to BOOST over 3 decades ago when a family member was trying to help their elderly relative eat better. They happened on BOOST, but a while later noticed that it contained a whole lot of carbs, and not a lot of protein. So they stopped using it because it just wasn't good nutrition.

And, yep - it's that same old 'original formula' Boost I remember so well from so many years ago (and that YOU recommended). It still has a lot of carbs, and still not enough protein (and no guarantee that protein is complete, and still no fiber or essential fats).


BTW, if something is going to be 'complete' it needs to have everything in the same proportion. If it has 25% of vitamins and minerals, it should also have 25% of protein, 25% of fiber, and 25% of essential fats. An average adult needs about 50 grams of complete protein a day. (Women roughly 45g, men roughly 55g.) But ill people, injured people, and old people need a lot more protein - up to 100g a day. So if Boost wants to claim to be complete - and cover men - a serving(can) that has 25% RDA vitamin and minerals needs at a minimum roughly 15g of complete protein per serving(can) - or - doing the math - 50% more than original formula. And it also needs 25% of essential fats, and fiber.


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Sunday, January 16, 2022 11:07 PM

SIGNYM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hubby has his drill press, table saw and bandsaw on locking/rolling platforms. They allow him to reconfigure his (small) shop to accommodate various sized projects and they work great.

Don't frigs comes with wheels already, tho?

I don't think I have ever seen a fridge on wheels, regardless of size or application. That would be weird. The key factor for fridges is to have self closing doors, drawers - so leveling is critical, otherwise gravity does not closed and seal the doors. Maybe chest freezers, with a top lid - but I don't recall seeing that either. Refrigerant systems do not fare well with lots of movement, due to the sediment dislodging and jamming up the insides. This is why used fridges and freezers need to be kept level upright when moving.

I learn something new every day!

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Sunday, January 16, 2022 11:09 PM

BRENDA


Rain for tomorrow not sure about the rest of the week.

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Sunday, January 16, 2022 11:29 PM

SIGNYM

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Have not looked into Boost yet. I see there is some difference of opinion on it. Just got the Dr-recommended protein drink. It has 30 g protein per bottle - that's a lot!- and almost no carbs. Never thought I'd say this, but it's too sweet! Probably has a crapton of sweetener in it. Don't know what, haven't looked at the ingredients yet. Good thing I didn't get a lot.

I have nothing against sweeteners per se, I don't think they're poison, but it's off-puttingly sweet, so I'll probably will continue with my milk+whey+ natural sweetener and fill in with 1/2 bottles of the other stuff to round out my protein to 50-60g/day and continue with squats since my thighs seem to be the weakest. I'll take a big hit next Friday and be down for 2 weeks but should recover steadily after that.

Managed to walk the dog a bit around the corner and do some bathroom tidying and cleaning,

and make a big salad for dinner - lettuce, spinach, tomato, cucumber, celery, some leftover green onions, shredded leftover parmesan (from Jan1), leftover cubed chicken, cubed ham, hardboiled egg, shaved red pepper on top. I couldn't eat it, but it sure looked tasty!

Dog is on a new diet too: raw meat, organ meat, veggies, bone meal etc and sheseems to appreciate it. She was pogoing around today looking for lizards today like a puppy!

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Monday, January 17, 2022 12:13 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



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She was pogoing around today looking for lizards today like a puppy!


I THINK I have a routine diet for Mr E so that he doesn't regurgitate nearly quite so often! or stop eating entirely. It's just the non-allergenic canned food blended with water to make a kitty milkshake, to which I add some 'plain cooked' meat broth for flavor (I switch it around from day to day), plus his medicine and smidge of B vitamins and taurine; and for the rest he has his high-fiber kibble to help with whatever is wrong with his gut.

Tho I'd be happy to learn something new and maybe have an even better solution for his problems.

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Monday, January 17, 2022 12:35 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Have not looked into Boost yet. I see there is some difference of opinion on it. Just got the Dr-recommended protein drink. It has 30 g protein per bottle - that's a lot!- and almost no carbs. Never thought I'd say this, but it's too sweet! Probably has a crapton of sweetener in it. Don't know what, haven't looked at the ingredients yet. Good thing I didn't get a lot.

I have nothing against sweeteners per se, I don't think they're poison, but it's off-puttingly sweet, so I'll probably will continue with my milk+whey+ natural sweetener and fill in with 1/2 bottles of the other stuff to round out my protein to 50-60g/day and continue with squats since my thighs seem to be the weakest. I'll take a big hit next Friday and be down for 2 weeks but should recover steadily after that.

Managed to walk the dog a bit around the corner and do some bathroom tidying and cleaning,

and make a big salad for dinner - lettuce, spinach, tomato, cucumber, celery, some leftover green onions, shredded leftover parmesan (from Jan1), leftover cubed chicken, cubed ham, hardboiled egg, shaved red pepper on top. I couldn't eat it, but it sure looked tasty!

Dog is on a new diet too: raw meat, organ meat, veggies, bone meal etc and sheseems to appreciate it. She was pogoing around today looking for lizards today like a puppy!

hmmmmm.
Other than Kiki blathering out of her bung, I've never heard controversy about Boost.
I looked up your Premiere Protein. It seems to claim 24 vitamins and minerals, much of which are less than 10%, and less than 5%, and even less than 1%. If you really need 60% of your Recommended Daily Allowance of protein in liquid form and actually believe it will be absorbed in that form, then perhaps 30g is what you need. But the primary factor I saw was sucralose.
If I had any doctor who advised me to consume the poison sucralose, for any reason, I would drop that doctor.
If you want to proclaim that sucralose is not poison, then please stop beating around the bush and plainly state so, so I can stop typing to enlighten you.
Sucralose is a trichlorinate. Engineered, designed, created, and manufactured to be poison, engineered to kill living things, a pesticide. After creation, it was found to be 600 times sweeter than sugar, so they decided to pour it directly into human foods. It consists of the poisonous 3 molecules of chlorine mashed together with 1 molecule of sugar. Manufactured by industrial chemical facilities, they make plenty of profits by poisoning humans.

If you need more protein, feel free to try Boost High Protein. I have tried it previously. When training athletes, amateur and professional, I have suggested trying it to see if they found it beneficial. None of us have been vegetarians. We got our protein from meat. With that level of energy consumption, hunger for meat was never short.


There are a bunch of websites I should list here, but I can't do that now.

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Monday, January 17, 2022 12:59 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



These are for the vanilla flavor:
Premiere protein powder is whey-based with a lot of sweetener, with no added vitamins, minerals etc.
Quote:

Whey Protein Isolate, Whey Protein Concentrate, Contains 2% or Less of Soluble Corn Fiber, Sunflower Lecithin, Natural and Artificial Flavors, Acesulfame Potassium, Sucralose, Xanthan Gum, Salt.

The pre-mixed bottled stuff with vitamins and minerals interestingly is casein+whey (milk protein concentrate) plus extra casein -based, and a lot of sweetener.
Quote:

Water, Milk Protein Concentrate†, Calcium Caseinate†, Contains less than 1% of High Oleic Sunflower Oil, Natural and Artificial flavors, Inulin, Cellulose Gel and Cellulose Gum, Salt, Sucralose, Acesulfame Potassium, Carrageenan, Tripotassium Phosphate, Dipotassium Phosphate, Sodium Hexametaphosphate, Vitamin and Mineral Blend (Dl-alpha-tocopheryl Acetate [Vitamin E], Zinc Glycinate Chelate, Ferric Orthophosphate, Vitamin A Palmitate, Niacinamide, Phytonadione [Vitamin K1], Potassium Iodide, Cholecalciferol [Vitamin D3], Copper Gluconate, Calcium D-Pantothenate, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Selenite, Biotin, Sodium Molybdate, Folic Acid, Thiamine Mononitrate [Vitamin B1], Cyanocobalamin [Vitamin B12], Pyridoxine Hydrochloride [Vitamin B6], Riboflavin [Vitamin B2], Chromium Polynicotinate), Magnesium Phosphate, Sodium Ascorbate. Sucralose, Xanthan Gum, Salt.
Here's the nutrition profile, where vitamins and minerals either more or less than 25% RDA were highlighted in magenta.
Quote:


Vitamin D
6mcg
30%

Iron
1.8mg
10%

Calcium
650mg
50%

Potassium
180mg
4%

Vitamin A
230mcg
25%

Vitamin E
3.8mg
25%

Thiamin
0.3mg
25%

Niacin
4mg
25%

Folate
100mcg DFE
25%

Vitamin B12
0.6mcg
25%

Pantothenic Acid
1.3mg
25%

Iodine
37mcg
25%

Zinc
2.8mg
25%

Copper
0.25mg
25%

Chromium
8mcg
25%

Vitamin C
46mg
50%

Vitamin K
30mcg
25%

Riboflavin
0.3mg
25%

Vitamin B6
0.4mg
25%

Biotin
8mcg
25%

Phosphorous
550mg
45%

Magnesium
90mg
20%

Selenium
14mcg
25%

Manganese
0.6mg
25%

Molybdenum
11mcg
25%


The pre-mixed bottled stuff with oats (which does NOT come in vanilla!) only has about 20g of protein and a bit more carbs, but most of those carbs are fiber - and added vitamins etc, plus a lot of sweeteners.
Quote:

Water, Milk Protein Concentrate†, Oats†, Soluble Corn Fiber, Calcium Caseinate†, Contains Less Than 1% Of High Oleic Sunflower Oil, Natural And Artificial Flavors, Cellulose Gel And Cellulose Gum, Salt, Sucralose, Acesulfame Potassium, Carrageenan, Tripotassium Phosphate, Dipotassium Phosphate, Sodium Hexametaphosphate, Vitamin And Mineral Blend (Dl-alpha-tocopheryl Acetate [vitamin E], Zinc Glycinate Chelate, Ferric Orthophosphate, Vitamin A Palmitate, Niacinamide, Phytonadione [vitamin K1], Potassium Iodide, Cholecalciferol [vitamin D3], Copper Gluconate, Calcium D-pantothenate, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Selenite, Biotin, Sodium Molybdate, Folic Acid, Thiamine Mononitrate [vitamin B1], Cyanocobalamin [vitamin B12], Pyridoxine Hydrochloride [vitamin B6], Riboflavin [vitamin B2], Chromium Polynicotinate), Magnesium Phosphate, Sodium Ascorbate.

And they have clear - clear? protein drinks w/out the vitamins and minerals based on whey protein isolate with 20g protein, flavor and sweetener - but just one kind! The following is for 'peach' flavor.
Quote:

WATER, WHEY PROTEIN ISOLATE, CONTAINS LESS THAT 2% OF NATURAL FLAVOR, SALT, SUCRALOSE, PHOSPHORIC ACID.


So, I guess you got the bottled?

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Monday, January 17, 2022 1:03 AM

1KIKI

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Other than Kiki blathering out her bung ...

Aren't you the one who recommended ORIGINAL FORMULA BOOST? Yanno - the one with only 10g of protein per bottle?

Do you still stand by your faulty opinion?

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Monday, January 17, 2022 1:10 AM

1KIKI

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Oh, BTW, this is JSF completely claiming total misinformation - but with CONfidence!


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
It seems to claim 24 vitamins and minerals, much of which are less than 10%, and less than 5%, and even less than 1%.



In FACT, the bottled shakes it looks like you got have mostly 25% of everything in terms of vitamins and minerals.

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Monday, January 17, 2022 1:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You didn't click on the link, I see.

What I posted was BOOST - ORIGINAL FORMULA.

I got introduced to BOOST over 3 decades ago when a family member was trying to help their elderly relative eat better. They happened on BOOST, but a while later noticed that it contained a whole lot of carbs, and not a lot of protein. So they stopped using it because it just wasn't good nutrition.

And, yep - it's that same old 'original formula' Boost I remember so well from so many years ago (and that YOU recommended). It still has a lot of carbs, and still not enough protein (and no guarantee that protein is complete, and still no fiber or essential fats).


BTW, if something is going to be 'complete' it needs to have everything in the same proportion. If it has 25% of vitamins and minerals, it should also have 25% of protein, 25% of fiber, and 25% of essential fats. An average adult needs about 50 grams of complete protein a day. (Women roughly 45g, men roughly 55g.) But ill people, injured people, and old people need a lot more protein - up to 100g a day. So if Boost wants to claim to be complete - and cover men - a serving(can) that has 25% RDA vitamin and minerals needs at a minimum roughly 15g of complete protein per serving(can) - or - doing the math - 50% more than original formula. And it also needs 25% of essential fats, and fiber.

At the risk of repeating myself,

Just how stupid are you now?

How gullible have you become in your old age?

Are you even more insane?


You say you found Boost over 3 decades ago. That would be 1991 or before. Boost was first sold under that name in 1994. This seems a rather obvious lie on your part.

You posted a linky to the evil Nestle website for the new reformulated (several times) Boost, which evil Nestle has labeled "original" but NOT "original formula" as you claim - mistakenly on so many levels.
So, how gullible are you to believe any lie that evil Nestle implies to you?
You claim to recognize the actual original formula from 31 years ago as the most current formula which is listed at your linky.
Are you really really really gullible enough to believe that Stevia Leaf Extract is the original ingredient in the original formula Nutrament from 1969? Or in the same original formula Boost in 1994? Or in the still original formula when Novartis bought Mead-Johnson in 2003? You might be the single solitary poster on this site to believe any of that. You might be able to find somebody gullible enough to fall for your story that Stevia Leaf Extract was an "original" ingredient in the formula for Boost when Novartis was acquired by Nestle in 2007 - although that would still be a lie. After evil Nestle got in, they made their first corruption of the formula by swapping sugar for Stevia Leaf Extract, which also changed the sequence of ingredients in the list - the sugar was several items from the bottom, and Stevia appeared at the bottom of the ingredient list. With that change in formula, all other ingredients remained in the same sequence on the list - and the same % of each vitamin, mineral, protein, and other nutrients (other than sugar data) remained.

I have always recommended the original formula Nutrament and the same original formula Boost, without reservation - and with proven results.
Although I've had reservation regarding Stevia, I have still recommended Boost since.
"Original" is the notation on the packages which still do not have sucralose in them. But evil Nestle has sullied the name of Boost by contaminating formulas with pollutant poison sucralose - and I do not ever recommend those.
The newest corruption of the formula is a poor cousin to the 50-year-old formula, but it still has no HFCS or sucralose and is the best I've found - until I can find that resurrected Nutrament.

Boost and Nutrament have never used the word "complete" - is that just another of your imaginary facts that you are lying about? Strawman argument?

However, as I repeatedly pointed out, the protein was 25% along with all of the vitamins and minerals, up until the latest Nestle corruption of the formula.


Since I already pointed out and explained that the last prior formula of a few years ago had 16g, 25% USRDA of protein, before this newest corruption of the formula, it makes little sense for you to agree with me and reaffirm such facts, and then argue that this newest (1 or 2 year old) formula is the same for the entire 53 year history. Get your head out of your bunghole.

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Monday, January 17, 2022 1:50 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Other than Kiki blathering out her bung ...

Aren't you the one who recommended ORIGINAL FORMULA BOOST? Yanno - the one with only 10g of protein per bottle?

Do you still stand by your faulty opinion?

with all of the changing posts, just quoting the lies.

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Monday, January 17, 2022 4:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Have not looked into Boost yet. I see there is some difference of opinion on it. Just got the Dr-recommended protein drink. It has 30 g protein per bottle - that's a lot!- and almost no carbs. Never thought I'd say this, but it's too sweet! Probably has a crapton of sweetener in it. Don't know what, haven't looked at the ingredients yet. Good thing I didn't get a lot.

I have nothing against sweeteners per se, I don't think they're poison, but it's off-puttingly sweet, so I'll probably will continue with my milk+whey+ natural sweetener and fill in with 1/2 bottles of the other stuff to round out my protein to 50-60g/day and continue with squats since my thighs seem to be the weakest. I'll take a big hit next Friday and be down for 2 weeks but should recover steadily after that.

Managed to walk the dog a bit around the corner and do some bathroom tidying and cleaning,

and make a big salad for dinner - lettuce, spinach, tomato, cucumber, celery, some leftover green onions, shredded leftover parmesan (from Jan1), leftover cubed chicken, cubed ham, hardboiled egg, shaved red pepper on top. I couldn't eat it, but it sure looked tasty!

Dog is on a new diet too: raw meat, organ meat, veggies, bone meal etc and sheseems to appreciate it. She was pogoing around today looking for lizards today like a puppy!

hmmmmm.
Other than Kiki blathering out of her bung, I've never heard controversy about Boost.
I looked up your Premiere Protein. It seems to claim 24 vitamins and minerals, much of which are less than 10%, and less than 5%, and even less than 1%. If you really need 60% of your Recommended Daily Allowance of protein in liquid form and actually believe it will be absorbed in that form, then perhaps 30g is what you need. But the primary factor I saw was sucralose.
If I had any doctor who advised me to consume the poison sucralose, for any reason, I would drop that doctor.
If you want to proclaim that sucralose is not poison, then please stop beating around the bush and plainly state so, so I can stop typing to enlighten you.
Sucralose is a trichlirinate. Engineered, designed, created, and manufactured to be poison, engineered to kill living things, a pesticide. After creation, it was found to be 600 times sweeter than sugar, so they decided to pour it directly into human foods. It consists of the poisonous 3 molecules of chlorine mashed together with 1 molecule of sugar. Manufactured by industrial chemical facilities, they make plenty of profits by poisoning humans.

If you need more protein, feel free to try Boost High Protein. I have tried it previously. When training athletes, amateur and professional, I have suggested trying it to see if they found it beneficial. None of us have been vegetarians. We got our protein from meat. With that level of energy consumption, hunger for meat was never short.


There are a bunch of websites I should list here, but I can't do that now.



I highlighted the part where I said I have nothing against sweeteners.

AFA whether Boost was introduced in 1991 v 1994 ... someone is remembering something from 30 years ago! I'm surprised KIKI got the date that close! ALL of my doctors have said: NO SUGAR. That's one thing they all agree on.

I don't understand something about the formulation: it sayd 37 grams carbs, only 15 grams sugar, but no fiber. Where do the remaining 22 g of carbs come from? Isn't cellulose gum a fiber? Something seriously whacked there!

*********

KIKI: I'll look into the formulation with oatmeal. Yes, I got the bottled kind.

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Monday, January 17, 2022 4:17 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Got links for any of your 'information'?

I'm betting not!

BTW - I see you've post-edited many of your posts!

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Monday, January 17, 2022 12:10 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Have not looked into Boost yet. I see there is some difference of opinion on it. Just got the Dr-recommended protein drink. It has 30 g protein per bottle - that's a lot!- and almost no carbs. Never thought I'd say this, but it's too sweet! Probably has a crapton of sweetener in it. Don't know what, haven't looked at the ingredients yet. Good thing I didn't get a lot.

I have nothing against sweeteners per se, I don't think they're poison, but it's off-puttingly sweet, so I'll probably will continue with my milk+whey+ natural sweetener and fill in with 1/2 bottles of the other stuff to round out my protein to 50-60g/day and continue with squats since my thighs seem to be the weakest. I'll take a big hit next Friday and be down for 2 weeks but should recover steadily after that.

Managed to walk the dog a bit around the corner and do some bathroom tidying and cleaning,

and make a big salad for dinner - lettuce, spinach, tomato, cucumber, celery, some leftover green onions, shredded leftover parmesan (from Jan1), leftover cubed chicken, cubed ham, hardboiled egg, shaved red pepper on top. I couldn't eat it, but it sure looked tasty!

Dog is on a new diet too: raw meat, organ meat, veggies, bone meal etc and sheseems to appreciate it. She was pogoing around today looking for lizards today like a puppy!

hmmmmm.
Other than Kiki blathering out of her bung, I've never heard controversy about Boost.
I looked up your Premiere Protein. It seems to claim 24 vitamins and minerals, much of which are less than 10%, and less than 5%, and even less than 1%. If you really need 60% of your Recommended Daily Allowance of protein in liquid form and actually believe it will be absorbed in that form, then perhaps 30g is what you need. But the primary factor I saw was sucralose.
If I had any doctor who advised me to consume the poison sucralose, for any reason, I would drop that doctor.
If you want to proclaim that sucralose is not poison, then please stop beating around the bush and plainly state so, so I can stop typing to enlighten you.
Sucralose is a trichlirinate. Engineered, designed, created, and manufactured to be poison, engineered to kill living things, a pesticide. After creation, it was found to be 600 times sweeter than sugar, so they decided to pour it directly into human foods. It consists of the poisonous 3 molecules of chlorine mashed together with 1 molecule of sugar. Manufactured by industrial chemical facilities, they make plenty of profits by poisoning humans.

If you need more protein, feel free to try Boost High Protein. I have tried it previously. When training athletes, amateur and professional, I have suggested trying it to see if they found it beneficial. None of us have been vegetarians. We got our protein from meat. With that level of energy consumption, hunger for meat was never short.


There are a bunch of websites I should list here, but I can't do that now.

I highlighted the part where I said I have nothing against sweeteners.

AFA whether Boost was introduced in 1991 v 1994 ... someone is remembering something from 30 years ago! I'm surprised KIKI got the date that close! ALL of my doctors have said: NO SUGAR. That's one thing they all agree on.

I don't understand something about the formulation: it sayd 37 grams carbs, only 15 grams sugar, but no fiber. Where do the remaining 22 g of carbs come from? Isn't cellulose gum a fiber? Something seriously whacked there!

OK, it sounds like you are denying sucralose is poison. BTW, I've heard antifreeze is also quite sweet - maybe that will solve your health problems as well.

No sugar? Do they think you are allergic to sugar? Are these doctors 12? Are these diversity hire doctors? With doctors like that, no wonder they told you to drink poison. Good luck.

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Monday, January 17, 2022 1:21 PM

BRENDA


Out for my walk soon. Think I need my umbrella.

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Monday, January 17, 2022 1:53 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I highlighted the part where I said I have nothing against sweeteners.

AFA whether Boost was introduced in 1991 v 1994 ... someone is remembering something from 30 years ago! I'm surprised KIKI got the date that close! ALL of my doctors have said: NO SUGAR. That's one thing they all agree on.

I don't understand something about the formulation: it sayd 37 grams carbs, only 15 grams sugar, but no fiber. Where do the remaining 22 g of carbs come from? Isn't cellulose gum a fiber? Something seriously whacked there!

Cellulose gum is carboxymethylcellulose, an emulsifier, which - along with polysorbate 80 - was shown to damage the tight junctions in the gut in mice/rats (I forget which).

Looking it up, I see that there are 3 FDA carbohydrate categories - sugar, starch, and fiber.

from a couple of different websites:

In 2016, the FDA released its definition of dietary fiber, which identified two general classes of fiber: naturally occurring fibers that are “intrinsic and intact” in plants and “isolated or synthetic non-digestible carbohydrates (with three or more monomeric units) determined by FDA to have physiological effects that are beneficial to human health."

The first category –
plant fiber that is intrinsic and intact – occurs in foods such as vegetables, whole grains, fruits, cereal bran, flaked cereal and flours. It is considered "intact" because this kind of fiber has not been removed from the food. According to the FDA, “foods containing these fibers have been shown to be beneficial, and manufacturers do not need to demonstrate that they provide beneficial physiological effects to human health.”

The second category of
fiber – isolated or synthetic – includes non-digestible carbohydrates that are separated from their original plant form or that do not arise naturally in plants. These are commonly used in processed foods to boost fiber content or otherwise improve the product. The FDA allows these ingredients to be called fiber only if they have a “beneficial effect on human health,” such as lowering cholesterol or glucose levels, increasing frequency of bowel movements, or improving mineral absorption.
https://www.foodprocessing.com/articles/2020/fdas-fiber-list-grows/


Looking into it, only a few things can be considered 'dietary fiber'. FDA fibers are

2016
Beta-glucan soluble fiber
Psyllium husk
Cellulose
Guar gum
Pectin
Locust bean gum
Hydroxypropylmethylcellulose.

2018
Arabinoxylan;
Alginate;
Inulin and inulin-type fructans;
High amylose starch (resistant starch 2);
Galactooligosaccharide;
Polydextrose;
Resistant maltodextrin/dextrin
Mixed plant cell wall fibers.
https://fdasimplified.com/blog/fda-updates-the-list-of-recognized-diet
ary-fibers
/


Who knew? I thought anything that wasn't a sugar (a monosaccharide or disaccharide of 5 or 6 carbon sugars) or starch (several sugars put together) that was made of sugar molecules put together that was indigestible by us humans was automatically a 'fiber'. And apparently it was! up until 2016, when the FDA spelled out what could be called a fiber, and what couldn't (then added to the list in 2018).


So the FDA definition of fiber underwent a HUGE definitional/ regulatory transformation in 2016(2018) when it regulated that only certain specific items could be listed as 'fiber'.

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Monday, January 17, 2022 4:37 PM

BRENDA


Back from my walk and it dribbled on me on my way back. So it is trying to rain and I got a cute umbrella icon on my computer now.

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Monday, January 17, 2022 4:53 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Hey Brenda - how cold is it there?

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Monday, January 17, 2022 5:04 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

SIGNYM:
Have not looked into Boost yet. I see there is some difference of opinion on it. Just got the Dr-recommended protein drink. It has 30 g protein per bottle - that's a lot!- and almost no carbs. Never thought I'd say this, but it's too sweet! Probably has a crapton of sweetener in it. Don't know what, haven't looked at the ingredients yet. Good thing I didn't get a lot.

I have nothing against sweeteners per se, I don't think they're poison, but it's off-puttingly sweet, so I'll probably will continue with my milk+whey+ natural sweetener and fill in with 1/2 bottles of the other stuff to round out my protein to 50-60g/day and continue with squats since my thighs seem to be the weakest. I'll take a big hit next Friday and be down for 2 weeks but should recover steadily after that.

Managed to walk the dog a bit around the corner and do some bathroom tidying and cleaning,

and make a big salad for dinner - lettuce, spinach, tomato, cucumber, celery, some leftover green onions, shredded leftover parmesan (from Jan1), leftover cubed chicken, cubed ham, hardboiled egg, shaved red pepper on top. I couldn't eat it, but it sure looked tasty!

Dog is on a new diet too: raw meat, organ meat, veggies, bone meal etc and sheseems to appreciate it. She was pogoing around today looking for lizards today like a puppy!

JSF: hmmmmm.
I looked up your Premiere Protein. It seems to claim 24 vitamins and minerals, much of which are less than 10%, and less than 5%, and even less than 1%. If you really need 60% of your Recommended Daily Allowance of protein in liquid form and actually believe it will be absorbed in that form, then perhaps 30g is what you need. But the primary factor I saw was sucralose.
If I had any doctor who advised me to consume the poison sucralose, for any reason, I would drop that doctor.
If you want to proclaim that sucralose is not poison, then please stop beating around the bush and plainly state so, so I can stop typing to enlighten you.
Sucralose is a trichlirinate. Engineered, designed, created, and manufactured to be poison, engineered to kill living things, a pesticide. After creation, it was found to be 600 times sweeter than sugar, so they decided to pour it directly into human foods. It consists of the poisonous 3 molecules of chlorine mashed together with 1 molecule of sugar. Manufactured by industrial chemical facilities, they make plenty of profits by poisoning humans.

If you need more protein, feel free to try Boost High Protein. I have tried it previously. When training athletes, amateur and professional, I have suggested trying it to see if they found it beneficial. None of us have been vegetarians. We got our protein from meat. With that level of energy consumption, hunger for meat was never short.


There are a bunch of websites I should list here, but I can't do that now.

SIGNY: I highlighted the part where I said I have nothing against sweeteners.

AFA whether Boost was introduced in 1991 v 1994 ... someone is remembering something from 30 years ago! I'm surprised KIKI got the date that close! ALL of my doctors have said: NO SUGAR. That's one thing they all agree on.

I don't understand something about the formulation: it sayd 37 grams carbs, only 15 grams sugar, but no fiber. Where do the remaining 22 g of carbs come from? Isn't cellulose gum a fiber? Something seriously whacked there!

JSF: OK, it sounds like you are denying sucralose is poison. BTW, I've heard antifreeze is also quite sweet - maybe that will solve your health problems as well.

No sugar? Do they think you are allergic to sugar? Are these doctors 12? Are these diversity hire doctors? With doctors like that, no wonder they told you to drink poison. Good luck.

WOW! You just know everything about everything, dontcha?

Maybe YOU should take over my care and do my surgery!

Oh, wait... you have no idea what's wrong, or how to treat it, do you?

/snark

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Monday, January 17, 2022 5:17 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Have not looked into Boost yet. I see there is some difference of opinion on it. Just got the Dr-recommended protein drink. It has 30 g protein per bottle - that's a lot!- and almost no carbs. Never thought I'd say this, but it's too sweet! Probably has a crapton of sweetener in it. Don't know what, haven't looked at the ingredients yet. Good thing I didn't get a lot.

I have nothing against sweeteners per se, I don't think they're poison, but it's off-puttingly sweet, so I'll probably will continue with my milk+whey+ natural sweetener and fill in with 1/2 bottles of the other stuff to round out my protein to 50-60g/day and continue with squats since my thighs seem to be the weakest. I'll take a big hit next Friday and be down for 2 weeks but should recover steadily after that.

Managed to walk the dog a bit around the corner and do some bathroom tidying and cleaning,

and make a big salad for dinner - lettuce, spinach, tomato, cucumber, celery, some leftover green onions, shredded leftover parmesan (from Jan1), leftover cubed chicken, cubed ham, hardboiled egg, shaved red pepper on top. I couldn't eat it, but it sure looked tasty!

Dog is on a new diet too: raw meat, organ meat, veggies, bone meal etc and sheseems to appreciate it. She was pogoing around today looking for lizards today like a puppy!

hmmmmm.
Other than Kiki blathering out of her bung, I've never heard controversy about Boost.
I looked up your Premiere Protein. It seems to claim 24 vitamins and minerals, much of which are less than 10%, and less than 5%, and even less than 1%. If you really need 60% of your Recommended Daily Allowance of protein in liquid form and actually believe it will be absorbed in that form, then perhaps 30g is what you need. But the primary factor I saw was sucralose.
If I had any doctor who advised me to consume the poison sucralose, for any reason, I would drop that doctor.
If you want to proclaim that sucralose is not poison, then please stop beating around the bush and plainly state so, so I can stop typing to enlighten you.
Sucralose is a trichlorinate. Engineered, designed, created, and manufactured to be poison, engineered to kill living things, a pesticide. After creation, it was found to be 600 times sweeter than sugar, so they decided to pour it directly into human foods. It consists of the poisonous 3 molecules of chlorine mashed together with 1 molecule of sugar. Manufactured by industrial chemical facilities, they make plenty of profits by poisoning humans.

If you need more protein, feel free to try Boost High Protein. I have tried it previously. When training athletes, amateur and professional, I have suggested trying it to see if they found it beneficial. None of us have been vegetarians. We got our protein from meat. With that level of energy consumption, hunger for meat was never short.


There are a bunch of websites I should list here, but I can't do that now.

Let me try a few.
Most websites discussing sucralose are owned and operated by the Industrial Chemical Company which manufactures it, in order to drown out the factusl sites. But as early as about 2006 or -7 there was at least one site which wrapped things up pretty well. One coworker looked at it, about 10 virtual pages on the home page, of anecdotal testimonies, and she said that this site was like reading her medical history of the past 8 years. I assume that site is no longer in the search results, so is likely not included here.


I do not have time right now to thoroughy read through all of these. But from what I skim now, all of these symptoms i am familiar with resulting from sucralose, except allergic reaction. I do not see a complete and comprehensive list among these of all of the ill effects of sucralose that I am familiar with.

https://draxe.com/nutrition/sucralose/

https://healthyfocus.org/7-sucralose-side-effects/

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/is-sucralose-splenda-bad-for-you/

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/sucralose-good-or-bad

https://www.doctorshealthpress.com/splenda-sucralose-side-effects/

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/could-artificial-sweeteners-be-bad
-for-your-brain-2017060711849


https://swolverine.com/blogs/blog/the-shocking-truth-about-sucralose-s
plenda-and-gut-health


https://healthfully.com/320733-problems-with-sucralose.html

https://www.prevention.com/food-nutrition/healthy-eating/a20464317/hea
lth-risks-of-sucralose
/

https://www.lifeaidbevco.com/blog/2019/06/06/science-review-reveals-la
undry-list-of-health-hazards-associated-with-splenda-sucralose-consumption
/

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Monday, January 17, 2022 5:33 PM

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So, speaking of online diagnosis by strangers... I used to be pretty good at online diagnosis when I hung out at the Mass General neurowebforum before it shut down. Nailed four dxs (five, if I include our dear daughter) of some pretty rare conditions by description only. Learned a lot, too!

Been thinking about why your thyroid stopped working after surgery, BRENDA. The thyroid is under control of the pituitary and hypothalamus, which are located right next to each other in the very central part of the brain. Because of their location, it's unlikely they would have operated anywhere near there.

But just to be certain: have you ever been dxd with CENTRAL hypothyroidism? i.e. failure of the pituitary to stimulate the thyroid? Or is this just failure of the thyroid itself?

*****

If it's just the thyroid, a sideways thought occurred to me: Hashimoto's thyroiditis/ Hashimoto's encephalitis.

It comes from an autoimmune response which is set off by gluten sensitivity. Instead of all of the usual intestinal symptoms, often the first symptom is neurological: stroke-like symptoms or seizures that seem to come and go, alongside, or followed by, hypothyroidism. I know that you have a definite cause for seizures but I wonder if this is being complicated by another condition?

There are specific tests for it.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16525066/

Any time someone pops up with hypothyroidism with no preceding cause, I do wonder if this was ever considered. It may explain why control by Keppra sort of comes and goes. It would be unusual. Just a thought.

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Monday, January 17, 2022 5:40 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.





https://health.clevelandclinic.org/is-sucralose-splenda-bad-for-you/
“While sucralose may cause problems at higher doses, most people consume nowhere near that amount,” says Patton. “If you enjoy sucralose occasionally and in moderation, it isn’t likely to have a major effect on your health.”


https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/sucralose-good-or-bad
If you like the taste of sucralose and your body handles it well, it’s probably fine to use in moderation. There’s certainly no clear cut evidence that it’s harmful to humans.


https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/could-artificial-sweeteners-be-bad
-for-your-brain-2017060711849

Would it be better if I started adding sugar to my coffee rather than my current routine of adding sucralose? I’m not sure. And this study gives me no guidance.


https://www.prevention.com/food-nutrition/healthy-eating/a20464317/hea
lth-risks-of-sucralose
/
So if you want something sweet, your best option is regular sugar in moderation (not sucralose)—no more than 100 calories, or 6 added teaspoons a day, per the American Heart Association’s recommendations.


The conclusions from sites that have no particular agenda to push are equivocal about sucralose. And they don't provide answers that indicate real harm. CERTAINLY they're not calling it poison!


And if all your doctors tell you NO SUGAR!, maybe they really mean NO SUGAR!

But hey, I'm sure your 'expert' opinion means something to ... well, you, anyway.


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Monday, January 17, 2022 5:52 PM

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Is sucralose safe?

So what’s the verdict on sucralose? It’s complicated.

JSF, from your links

Quote:

It’s true that research has raised some concerns. Yet scientists haven’t found any direct negative health effects in people who consume sucralose long-term. That’s true both for healthy people and those with diabetes.

“While sucralose may cause problems at higher doses, most people consume nowhere near that amount,” says Patton. “If you enjoy sucralose occasionally and in moderation, it isn’t likely to have a major effect on your health.”




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Monday, January 17, 2022 11:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Hey Brenda - how cold is it there?



Right now at 8:48pm on Monday evening it is sitting at 6C which is around 42F. Fairly warm actually.

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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 5:28 AM

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Brenda - warm(ish) rain - SO much better than cold rain!

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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 5:37 AM

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Signy - have you considered xylitol as a sugar substitute? (WARNING! extremely toxic to dogs!)

I've done a not very intensive but pretty extensive search. Xylitol does NOT raise insulin levels OR glucose levels (either at all or very little) (but there was nothing to be found re IGF-1). At worst it may do what sorbitol does in large quantities. It has been looked at for anti-carries, anti-otitis media, gut microbiome-healing, dry-mouth treatment, and some other beneficial effects.

If you have the time, maybe check it out.

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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 7:51 AM

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The sweetener I use is a combination of erythritol, sugar, and stevia. It doesn;t eliminate sugar altogether, but it does reduce calories from sugar by 75%, which is good enuf for me.

AFA the protein drink, I'll prolly drink 1/2 bottle per day to complement the milk/whey mix I make myself. Plus I'll still be be eating eggs and egg whites aand whatever protein comes along with noodles and other grain products. I think protein is covered but I realized Im prolly missing EFAs. Also tried finding out why the "no sugar" mandate. Sites that I trust like Mayo and Cleveland Clinic don't support the idea, there is only one study out there and its not on people. But well, what the heck: better safe than sorry.



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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Brenda - warm(ish) rain - SO much better than cold rain!



It is. Rain suppose to hang around until Thursday then dry out for the weekend.

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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:21 PM

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Out for my walk and need some veg today.

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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:22 PM

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because yesterday was cold and drizzly I made ham and vegetable soup, and had a couple of cups of all of that salty goodness!

I make it with celery, a green pepper cut into big "vegetable" pieces, a red pepper, cut into pretty little confetti pieces, chicken broth (both boxed and homemade. I had gotten some chicken feet for puppy's rawfood diet. She didn't like them so well, but they make awesome broth!) a big chopped tomato, bay, peppercorns, a generous portion of smoked paprika, a bit of cumin, a half-bag of okra, and cubed ham. From start to serve, takes about an hour. And bc dear daughter doesn't like peppers, I put rice in her bowl to bulk up the soup, and sprinkle just a tad of chipotle in hubby's because he likes his spicy!

I see we're due for a change of weather in a couple of days. It's been swtiching back and forth between warm(ish) and sunny to cold and drizzly, but over the next ten days is predicted to warm up and dry out, with dew point dropping as low as 20F. Bc I have so many problems with my sinuses and have been battling a chronic infection and congestion, I think I better drag out the humidifier.

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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:23 PM

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Good couple of cop movies to watch are "Bon Cop, Bad Cop" and "Bon Cop, Bad Cop 2". Very funny.

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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:32 PM

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Saw a very nice Canadian movie, made in Newfoundland(?), called "The Big Seduction" or "the Great Seduction". how the harbor of Ticklehead seduces a young doctor to stay on as their permanent doctor so they can bring in a factory and jobs to the town. Not very realistic, but very sweet.

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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 4:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Saw a very nice Canadian movie, made in Newfoundland(?), called "The Big Seduction" or "the Great Seduction". how the harbor of Ticklehead seduces a young doctor to stay on as their permanent doctor so they can bring in a factory and jobs to the town. Not very realistic, but very sweet.

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Both the "Bon Cop, Bad Cop" movies are Canadian. And as the title suggests one cop is from Ontario and the other from Quebec.

The first film is about people with a hockey team getting killed. The English cop is hoping to get a desk job to spend more time with his son as his wife left him. So his sister is helping him.
The French cop is divorced but his ex and daughter share the house.
The funny bits start when they are forced to work together by their Captains. One Captain is translating into French what the Ontario one is saying, when the French cop suddenly answers in English.

The French cop's Captain is surprised then says, "He can English" to which the Ontario cop starts speaking in French.

They go back and forth through the film.

The second film has American consulate officials stealing cars and rigging them to blow up all across the US. By this time the RCMP officer has been diagnosed with Lou Gehgris's Disease and the French cop has remarried his ex and his daughter is on her way to getting into the police academy.

The films in a very small way can give you a sense of the relationship between Ontario and Quebec. Which is what makes them so funny.

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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 4:49 PM

BRENDA


Back from my walk and it is trying to rain.

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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 6:56 PM

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Sounds funny! I'll see if we can find them!

I used to have to call Quebec from time to time, tracking down specialty chemical suppliers. It was a trip, hearing "Vous avez telephoner xxxx. Pour Anglais presser nombre xxx"

I hope I've translated that correctly! I took French way back when in high school, so I could follow along, but it was a head-spin, being treated as the "foreign language" speaker! I can imagine a lot of humor along those lines!




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