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US Cuban Embargo Ends

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Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:15 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Cigars anyone?

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Barack Obama and Raúl Castro have thanked Pope Francis for helping broker a historic deal to begin normalising relations between the United States and Cuba, after 18 months of secret talks over prisoner releases brought a sudden end to decades of cold war hostility.

The two presidents spoke simultaneously on Wednesday to confirm the surprise reversal of a long-running US policy of isolating Cuba, detailing a series of White House steps that will relax travel, commercial and diplomatic restrictions in exchange for the release of Americans and dissidents held in Havana.

Though a formal end to the US trade embargo requires legislation in Congress, both Obama and Castro said they believed such executive action was sufficient to significantly open up relations between the two countries and allow travellers and trade to flow relatively freely.

“In the most significant changes in our policy in more than fifty years, we will end an outdated approach that, for decades, has failed to advance our interests, and instead we will begin to normalise relations between our two countries,” said Obama in an address from the White House cabinet room. “Through these changes, we intend to create more opportunities for the American and Cuban people, and begin a new chapter among the nations of the Americas.”

President Castro, who took over from his brother Fidel in 2008, was only slightly less expansive, calling on Congress to formally lift the embargo but saying he believed Obama could substantially “modify its use”.

“This decision of President Obama deserves the respect and acknowledgement of our people,” said Castro in an address on Cuban television. “The progress attained in the interchange show it is possible to find solutions to many problems. As we have repeated we should learn the art of coexistence in a civilised manner with our differences.”

The former defence minister welcomed the release of three Cuban intelligence agents held in the US and recalled a promise from Fidel that they would return. It was the only mention of his sibling, who retired in 2008 in poor health and remains largely out of the public eye.

Gerardo Hernández, Antonio Guerrero and Ramón Labañino were among five Cubans jailed for spying on anti-Castro groups in Florida. In exchange for them, Havana released a Cuban man described by Obama as “one of the most important intelligence agents that the United States has ever had in Cuba.” The man, who was freed after nearly 20 years in prison, is said to have been responsible for revealing the “Miami Five” and other prominent Cuban agents. The Cuban government also released 53 political dissidents as part of the deal.


But the surprise breakthrough came principally after a phone call, said to last 45 minutes to an hour, between Obama and Castro on Tuesday finalised the release of Alan Gross, a US government aid contractor held for five years in Cuba, which accused him of being a spy.

Gross, who the US insists was released on “humanitarian grounds” unrelated to the exchange of spies, was flown back to Washington on Wednesday accompanied by Senators Patrick Leahy and Jeff Flake and congressman Chris van Hollen.

Speaking in Washington on his return to the US, Gross said he hoped that the US and Cuba can now move beyond their “mutually belligerent policies.”

“Five and a half decades of history show us that such belligerence inhibits better judgement. Two wrongs never make a right. I truly hope we can get beyond these mutually belligerent policies and I was very happy to hear what the president had to say today,” he said.

Gross said he had the utmost respect for the Cuban people and said he was pained “to see them treated so unjustly.”

“In no way are they responsible for the ordeal to which my family and I have been subjected,” Gross said, describing the vast majority of Cubans as “incredibly kind, generous and talented.”

But even as Gross was en route to the US, it became clear that a far larger negotiation had been underway since private talks began in Canada in June 2013.

These were supported closely by Pope Francis, who personally wrote to both leaders and hosted a crucial secret summit at the Vatican this autumn, which they credited with helping clinch the deal.

“His Holiness Pope Francis issued a personal appeal to me and to Cuba’s president, Raúl Castro, urging us to resolve Alan’s case and to address Cuba’s interests in the release of three Cuban agents, who’ve been jailed in the United States for over 15 years,” said Obama.

Nevertheless, the deal brought immediate and fierce criticism from Congress, where many senior figures in both sides believe Obama has struck a poor deal, with few concrete commitments toward political reform from Havana.

“The White House has conceded everything and gained little in return,” said Florida senator Marco Rubio. “We are getting no commitment on freedom of the speech, elections, no binding commitment on opening up the internet or even the semblance of a transition to democracy.”

“This entire policy shift is based on a lie and illusion, that more access to money and goods will translate to more political freedom,” added the Republican presidential hopeful.

Democratic senator Bob Menendez, outgoing chair of the foreign relations committee, said: “President Obama’s actions have vindicated the brutal behavior of the Cuban government.”

A full end to the US trade embargo of Cuba would require legislation in Congress, something for which there has been virtually no appetite until now, but the White House hopes that by using a series of executive actions to minimise its enforcement, it can provide a breakthrough that will encourage political reform in Cuba and soften political opposition in the US.

“I’m not expecting transformation of Cuban society overnight,” said Obama “[But] we can’t keep doing the same thing for five decades and expect a different result.”

“We fully expect we will continue to have strong differences, particularly on democracy and human rights ... [but] engagement is a better tool than isolation and nowhere is that more clear than Cuba,” added a senior US administration official in a White House briefing call for reporters. “By opening up we will able to promote freedom.”

Castro, who has introduced economic reforms but retained tight political control, said Cubans had stayed loyal to the revolution and its social justice ideals despite numerous challenges and would continue to do so. “We carry forward, given the difficulties, with the actualisation of our economic model to build a prosperous and sustainable socialism.”


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Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:25 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Actually, it doesn't.

Many restrictions still stand, and free access to and from Cuba to the USA is still prohibited.

Cigars and liquor can be bought, but only $ 100 worth. Not exactly opening the flood gates of commerce.

Oh, and the whole matter of actually appointing an ambassador to Cuba needs to go through where ? The GOP controlled US Senate.

Good luck w/ that.

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Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:32 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


It's a start. Yeah, good luck. I hear Cuba is a beautiful holdiay destination.

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Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:05 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
It's a start. Yeah, good luck. I hear Cuba is a beautiful holdiay destination.



Oh sure, as long as visitors stay in the proper govt approved areas, and don't venture out to the rest of the island. Might see how REAL Cubans live, with their substandard medical facilities and near empty grocery store shelves.

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Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:50 PM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
It's a start. Yeah, good luck. I hear Cuba is a beautiful holdiay destination.



Oh sure, as long as visitors stay in the proper govt approved areas, and don't venture out to the rest of the island. Might see how REAL Cubans live, with their substandard medical facilities and near empty grocery store shelves.




Gosh, when you put it like that, it sounds just like the USA. Just another shit-hole country that thinks it's the greatest.

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Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:53 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Look what crawled up from UNDER the sewers.

Making as little sense as always.


Nothing I said about Cuba was remotely like anything here in the USA, so the only mental midgets who would think as such are ... well, they've made themselves known.


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Thursday, December 18, 2014 1:24 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I guess x-mass time of year is when the real losers, void of any friends or family, come out to post and try to make everyone else feel as miserable as they are ...

is that why you posted so MANY posts in this thread?




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Saturday, December 20, 2014 3:57 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Ha! Cigars................that's a good one.

Now back away because some heads are gonna EXPLODE!!!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Cigars anyone?

Quote:

Barack Obama and Raúl Castro have thanked Pope Francis for helping broker a historic deal to begin normalising relations between the United States and Cuba, after 18 months of secret talks over prisoner releases brought a sudden end to decades of cold war hostility.

The two presidents spoke simultaneously on Wednesday to confirm the surprise reversal of a long-running US policy of isolating Cuba, detailing a series of White House steps that will relax travel, commercial and diplomatic restrictions in exchange for the release of Americans and dissidents held in Havana.

Though a formal end to the US trade embargo requires legislation in Congress, both Obama and Castro said they believed such executive action was sufficient to significantly open up relations between the two countries and allow travellers and trade to flow relatively freely.

“In the most significant changes in our policy in more than fifty years, we will end an outdated approach that, for decades, has failed to advance our interests, and instead we will begin to normalise relations between our two countries,” said Obama in an address from the White House cabinet room. “Through these changes, we intend to create more opportunities for the American and Cuban people, and begin a new chapter among the nations of the Americas.”

President Castro, who took over from his brother Fidel in 2008, was only slightly less expansive, calling on Congress to formally lift the embargo but saying he believed Obama could substantially “modify its use”.

“This decision of President Obama deserves the respect and acknowledgement of our people,” said Castro in an address on Cuban television. “The progress attained in the interchange show it is possible to find solutions to many problems. As we have repeated we should learn the art of coexistence in a civilised manner with our differences.”

The former defence minister welcomed the release of three Cuban intelligence agents held in the US and recalled a promise from Fidel that they would return. It was the only mention of his sibling, who retired in 2008 in poor health and remains largely out of the public eye.

Gerardo Hernández, Antonio Guerrero and Ramón Labañino were among five Cubans jailed for spying on anti-Castro groups in Florida. In exchange for them, Havana released a Cuban man described by Obama as “one of the most important intelligence agents that the United States has ever had in Cuba.” The man, who was freed after nearly 20 years in prison, is said to have been responsible for revealing the “Miami Five” and other prominent Cuban agents. The Cuban government also released 53 political dissidents as part of the deal.


But the surprise breakthrough came principally after a phone call, said to last 45 minutes to an hour, between Obama and Castro on Tuesday finalised the release of Alan Gross, a US government aid contractor held for five years in Cuba, which accused him of being a spy.

Gross, who the US insists was released on “humanitarian grounds” unrelated to the exchange of spies, was flown back to Washington on Wednesday accompanied by Senators Patrick Leahy and Jeff Flake and congressman Chris van Hollen.

Speaking in Washington on his return to the US, Gross said he hoped that the US and Cuba can now move beyond their “mutually belligerent policies.”

“Five and a half decades of history show us that such belligerence inhibits better judgement. Two wrongs never make a right. I truly hope we can get beyond these mutually belligerent policies and I was very happy to hear what the president had to say today,” he said.

Gross said he had the utmost respect for the Cuban people and said he was pained “to see them treated so unjustly.”

“In no way are they responsible for the ordeal to which my family and I have been subjected,” Gross said, describing the vast majority of Cubans as “incredibly kind, generous and talented.”

But even as Gross was en route to the US, it became clear that a far larger negotiation had been underway since private talks began in Canada in June 2013.

These were supported closely by Pope Francis, who personally wrote to both leaders and hosted a crucial secret summit at the Vatican this autumn, which they credited with helping clinch the deal.

“His Holiness Pope Francis issued a personal appeal to me and to Cuba’s president, Raúl Castro, urging us to resolve Alan’s case and to address Cuba’s interests in the release of three Cuban agents, who’ve been jailed in the United States for over 15 years,” said Obama.

Nevertheless, the deal brought immediate and fierce criticism from Congress, where many senior figures in both sides believe Obama has struck a poor deal, with few concrete commitments toward political reform from Havana.

“The White House has conceded everything and gained little in return,” said Florida senator Marco Rubio. “We are getting no commitment on freedom of the speech, elections, no binding commitment on opening up the internet or even the semblance of a transition to democracy.”

“This entire policy shift is based on a lie and illusion, that more access to money and goods will translate to more political freedom,” added the Republican presidential hopeful.

Democratic senator Bob Menendez, outgoing chair of the foreign relations committee, said: “President Obama’s actions have vindicated the brutal behavior of the Cuban government.”

A full end to the US trade embargo of Cuba would require legislation in Congress, something for which there has been virtually no appetite until now, but the White House hopes that by using a series of executive actions to minimise its enforcement, it can provide a breakthrough that will encourage political reform in Cuba and soften political opposition in the US.

“I’m not expecting transformation of Cuban society overnight,” said Obama “[But] we can’t keep doing the same thing for five decades and expect a different result.”

“We fully expect we will continue to have strong differences, particularly on democracy and human rights ... [but] engagement is a better tool than isolation and nowhere is that more clear than Cuba,” added a senior US administration official in a White House briefing call for reporters. “By opening up we will able to promote freedom.”

Castro, who has introduced economic reforms but retained tight political control, said Cubans had stayed loyal to the revolution and its social justice ideals despite numerous challenges and would continue to do so. “We carry forward, given the difficulties, with the actualisation of our economic model to build a prosperous and sustainable socialism.”



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Saturday, December 20, 2014 4:02 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Substandard medical facilities!?

Didn't I read somewhere where a group of first responders visited Cuba because they were able to obtained top notch medical treatment for their ailments. Or was that the other Cuba?

I know you'll have some smart-ass answer, so go ahead.................


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
It's a start. Yeah, good luck. I hear Cuba is a beautiful holdiay destination.



Oh sure, as long as visitors stay in the proper govt approved areas, and don't venture out to the rest of the island. Might see how REAL Cubans live, with their substandard medical facilities and near empty grocery store shelves.


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Saturday, December 20, 2014 4:28 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Magon's

fwiw my very first thought was that this isn't about the US caving to the ineffectiveness of Cuban isolation. It's just a move to weaken the tether between Cuba and Russia, and an attempt to further isolate Russia.

Just another game.




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Saturday, December 20, 2014 7:29 PM

DEVERSE

Hey, Ive been in a firefight before! Well, I was in a fire. Actually, I was fired from a fry-cook opportunity.


Love to hear American propaganda about Cuba.

Let's see, Cuba has a life expectancy of 78, just like the USA. Actually, the Cubans have an excellent health care system that makes most of what the USA has look like 1960's Russia. Been there, saw what they do and Americans should be so lucky to have such a good health care system.

Store shelves empty? Not particularly, and most people grow their own food as urban gardening is widespread and does very well. The government also distributes food for free so even the poorest of the poor are provided a nutritious diet. Canadian farmers been going for years to Cuba and any I've talked to say the Cubans have very good and productive farms. Didn't see any people starving in the street in Cuba, but I certainly do in the USA.

If there is a shortage of anything, its cars and parts, school supplies for children and certain tools and some appliances. Not too many electronic devices either (computers, etc.) but then it's nice to walk down a street or go into a store and have people actually greet you and talk to you instead of them stumbling by oblivious to everything except their handheld master.
I even got to play with children who were outside and having fun instead of seeing them whine and complain because they had to be outside instead of being glued to a TV or some electronic device.

And yes, tourists are asked to stay in the tourist areas. Mostly because there is a level of crime in the country, but being allowed to walk in non-tourist areas it wasn't 1/100th as scary as walking in an American city. I have been told numerous times in various US cities by American police officers to take a taxi a few blocks instead of walking as I probably wouldn't make it alive to the place I was going.
In Cuba, the cops warned me not to buy drugs, ignore the prostitutes and not to buy anything from anyone because it was probably stolen from the government; but they never said I might get killed or be robbed.

Cuba is a really beautiful country with friendly people who appear to be very healthy and happy, unlike other countries that are supposedly better off.


Oh let the sun beat down upon my face;
With stars to fill my dream;
I am a traveler of both time and space;
To be where I have been

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Saturday, December 20, 2014 9:15 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I've heard similar things from people who visited there.

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Saturday, December 20, 2014 11:42 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by DEVERSE:
Love to hear American propaganda about Cuba.

Let's see, Cuba has a life expectancy of 78, just like the USA. Actually, the Cubans have an excellent health care system that makes most of what the USA has look like 1960's Russia. Been there, saw what they do and Americans should be so lucky to have such a good health care system.




Sorry Michael Moore, but that myth has been thoroughly debunked. Most " doctors " in Cuba would never pass the board here in the U.S.

And if their HC was so excellent, why did Fidel go OUT of country to seek care ? Hmmm?

There may be top shelf care, for some, but over all, the myth of "excellent" healthcare for all in Cuba is propaganda, and not much else.

Yeah,so many love it there so much in Cuba, they constantly risk life and limb , trusting make shift boats to cross the 90+ miles to Florida, in hopes for a much worse life ?

Hardly.

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Monday, December 22, 2014 7:43 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by DEVERSE:
Love to hear American propaganda about Cuba.

Let's see, Cuba has a life expectancy of 78, just like the USA. Actually, the Cubans have an excellent health care system that makes most of what the USA has look like 1960's Russia. Been there, saw what they do and Americans should be so lucky to have such a good health care system


Sorry Michael Moore, but that myth has been thoroughly debunked. Most " doctors " in Cuba would never pass the board here in the U.S.

And if their HC was so excellent, why did Fidel go OUT of country to seek care ? Hmmm?

There may be top shelf care, for some, but over all, the myth of "excellent" healthcare for all in Cuba is propaganda, and not much else.

Yeah,so many love it there so much in Cuba, they constantly risk life and limb , trusting make shift boats to cross the 90+ miles to Florida, in hopes for a much worse life ?

Hardly.


How can any sane person attempt to reason with anybody of Deverse's level of insanity?

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