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Operation Jade Helm: coming to a city, town, or farm near you

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Sunday, April 19, 2015 11:13 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Jade Helm: a multi-state, multi-month "training exercise" in military-police coordination, already occurring in rural areas, towns, and cities across the nation.

Yes, I know the military, spec ops, and DHS have to hone their crowd-control, martial-law, mass-arrest-and-detention, decontamination, rescue, and military takeover skills SOMEWHERE. But this is unprecedented in terms of scope and size. Also, even its rationalizers/apologists acknowledge that one of the goals of Jade Helm is to

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They also hope and plan that the exercise will provide the opportunity to interact with civilians “to gain their trust and an understanding of the issues,”

http://sofrep.com/40783/jade-helm-shouldnt-make/

I find this a disturbing statement. There is no way that the military can learn to gain the trust of a generic foreign population by practicing in the USA. Gaining trust is very specific to the society that you're in. In the USA you talk to the mayors and the police and you get people to sign Memoranda of Understanding. In Afghanistan, you find the Council of Elders and sip tea with them. The only place this "trust gaining" exercise works - where troops wear civilian clothes and drive civilian vehicles and speak English with the appropriate accent - is in the USA. (And maybe Canada, if you can learn the correct local dialect. Eh? ) Jeez, that's pretty specific to operating in the USA, don't you think?

And there is no reason why the military SHOULD be "gaining the trust" of the USA population, because the military is prohibited from being deployed in the USA, under the Posse Comitatus Act ... which, BTW, the military thinks is just nonsense

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What is correct is that new rules are needed to clearly set forth the boundaries for the use of federal military forces for homeland security. The Posse Comitatus Act is inappropriate for modern times and needs to be replaced by a completely new law.
(They mean "martial law".)
http://usacac.army.mil/cac2/call/docs/10-16/ch_12.asp

Caught On Tape: National Guard Troops Patrol California City, Conduct New Jersey "Homeland Response Drill"

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Late last week, when we covered the various signs that "something big" may be coming, we discussed the one "exercise that people have really been buzzing about" - operation "Jade Helm", an “unconventional warfare exercise” during which the states Texas and Utah will be designated as hostile territory.

As previously profiled, "Jade Helm is a challenging eight-week joint military and Interagency (IA) Unconventional Warfare (UW) exercise conducted throughout Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, Nevada, Utah and Colorado,” according to an unclassified military document announcing the training drill, which runs from July 15 through September 15.

Multiple branches of the US military, including Green Berets, Navy Seals, and the 82nd Airborne Division, will participate in the 8-week long exercise, which may result in “increased aircraft in the area at night.”

Troops will be tasked with honing advanced skills in “large areas of undeveloped land with low population densities,” and will work alongside “civilians to gain their trust and an understanding of the issues.”

The exercise, in which some participants will be “wearing civilian clothes and driving civilian vehicles,” lists Texas and Utah as “hostile" territory.

The proposed theater of operations of Operation Jade Helm is shown on the map below:

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/20
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So while there are still three months until Jade Helm officially opens, various documented reports of substantial national guard drills and troop exercises are starting to trickle in early. As Paul Joseph Watson notes, the first documented proof of National Guard drills comes from Ontario, California where National Guard troops can be seen patrolling residential streets and practicing traffic control.

https:// youtu.be/Hj7efDgGRH0

In the video troops, followed by a humvee, are seen marching close to an elementary school and single family homes.
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“I just watched it again and recognized the low block wall and the elementary school! It was right there where my sister and her husband live! OMG how frightening!” one YouTube commenter responded, while others insisted the patrols were a routine occurrence.

However, another respondent insisted that the patrol was not normal.

“During the last few seconds I got a quick glimpse of my sister and brother-in-laws house on Fuschia. Ave,” wrote the commenter.”That motorcycle was parked almost in front of their house. They told me they saw this procession going on from their front yard. They have lived in that house for 30 or so yrs and this is the first time they have seen this type of thing in their neighborhood. Might be a common thing to do their training someplace else but not in that area.”

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This is not the first such clip: a disturbing video out of Fort Lauderdale, Florida last month also showed military and law enforcement practicing the internment of citizens during martial-law style training.

Meanwhile on the eastern US seaboard, the PostStar reports that nearly 600 Army and Air National Guard forces from New Jersey and New York "are preparing for the worst."

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They are participating in a homeland response force drill at New Jersey's Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst on Friday.

The troops specialize in rescue, security, decontamination and medical treatment.

The units will train to rapidly assess and identify a chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear incident.

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Of course, the bigger concern is that the real motive behind this major national guard exercise is not a focus on a "defensive" drill from an outside threat, but one dealing with a domestic threat.

How is that possible, some would say? Could the national guard really be preparing for a confrontation with the US population?

Unfortunately the answer is yes, as we reported last August in "Under What Conditions Can The US Army Engage Citizens: The Army's "Civil Disturbances" Primer" which lays out not only when the US Army (and national guard) can engage the US population, but lays out clearly the protocol under which the US army is specifically permitted to engage in "PSYOPs" against the US population.

Here are the salient points, as reported previously, from the primer which begins with the umbrella statement:

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Civil unrest may range from simple, nonviolent protests that address specific issues, to events that turn into full-scale riots. Gathering in protest may be a recognized right of any person or group, regardless of where U.S. forces may be operating. In the United States, this fundamental right is protected under the Constitution of the United States...
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"Protected" it may be, but as usual, the interpretation of the Constitution is in the eye of the beholder, or more appropriately, gun holder. Because shortly thereafter we further read the following:

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The Constitution of the United States, laws, regulations, policies, and other legal issues limit the use of federal military personnel in domestic support operations. Any Army involvement in civil disturbance operations involves many legal issues requiring comprehensive legal reviews. However, federal forces are authorized for use in civil disturbance operations under certain circumstances.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-18/caught-tape-national-guard-tr
oops-patrol-california-city-conduct-new-jersey-homeland


It all sounds pretty hinky to me.


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Sunday, April 19, 2015 11:24 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



This is Pirate News territory. Careful.

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Sunday, April 19, 2015 11:29 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


As usual, I went to all sides of this exercise: the military's explanation, the apologist's, and the alarmist's. Just bringing it to your attention. Make of it what you will.

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For two months this summer, the U.S. Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) will conduct Realistic Military Training (RMT) Operation Jade Helm 15 (JH 15) in seven Southwestern U.S. states: California, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. Military spokesmen say the operation is merely a standard training exercise designed to prepare Special Forces troops for warfare overseas.

According to the London Daily Mail, Army spokesman Lt. Col. Mark Lastoria said, “‘This exercise is routine training to maintain a high level of readiness for Army Special Operations Forces because they must be ready to support potential missions anywhere in the world [like the United States?-SIGNY] on a moment’s notice.’”

Units participating in the operation include Army Green Berets, Navy SEALS, USAF Special Operations Command, USMC Special Operations Command, USMC Expeditionary Units, Army 82nd Airborne Division, and Interagency Partners (whatever and whoever that is). [Most likely local police and National Guard-SIGNY] Over 1,200 troops will participate. For purposes of the exercise, the states of Utah and Texas, and parts of southern California, are designated as “hostile.” Local mayors and county commissions have been notified of the operation and have already signed off on it.

To be sure, the U.S. military often conducts off-base exercises; there is nothing new about that. However, this operation might be the largest off-base training exercise on the U.S. mainland. It is certainly one of the most aggressive.

In this exercise, Special Forces troops will practice all sorts of activities including extractions, searches and seizures, urban camouflage, etc. According to the Houston Chronicle, “[A]mong the planned exercises, soldiers will attempt to operate undetected among civilian populations.


http://oathkeepers.org/oktester/operation-jade-helm-should-we-be-worri
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Again, operating "undetected" is very culture-sensitive. It's one thing to be undetected in the slums of Bangalore, it's another thing entirely to be undetected in the suburbs of Houston. The skills that this exercise is likely to hone seem to apply pretty much to home, not Pakistan, Libya, or even Ukraine. Again, just my $0.02. Your thoughts are welcome.

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Sunday, April 19, 2015 3:01 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



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soldiers will attempt to operate undetected among civilian populations.


Good luck with that then.


Not long ago, some students at GA State ( intown Atlanta ) had put up capture devices ( cameras ) at random points around the city, as part of some art project. The goal was to take every day photos of daily life, from off perspective points of view. Or some such nonsense. Each camera had a hand written note ( poorly done ) which attempted to explain the purpose, and not to tamper w/ them, as they were for a school project.

Needless to say, they looked out of place, someone called the cops, and it made quite a story on the news for a couple of days. Square plastic things , duct taped to various parts of the city tend to draw the attention to some folks, it seems.

Point being, folks sometimes notice if things are out of place or different. I dunno how the " troops " plan to operate undetected, but my guess is, they won't.

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Sunday, April 19, 2015 10:43 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


And the reason why the military is trying to learn how to operate "undetected" in the US southwest is because ....

It will help them in foreign lands?

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Tuesday, May 12, 2015 6:21 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Does anybody dispute that Bundy Ranch was the first deployment of Jade Helm?

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Tuesday, May 12, 2015 6:50 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Bundy alone was responsible for bringing the Feds to his home. He did put on a good show.

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