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Thursday, January 6, 2022 1:42 PM

SIGNYM

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Yanno, for someone who gets all outraged at the thought to Russia "interfering" in our internal affairs (by placing a few thousand dollars-worth of ads on FB) you see to have NO PROBLEM with the USA overturning other nations' governments.

I mean, handing out cookies at the Maidan and picking the next government of Ukraine... what would you call THAT?

Say, you wouldn't be a hyocrite, would you??

Nah ....

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Thursday, January 6, 2022 3:45 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Yanno, for someone who gets all outraged at the thought to Russia "interfering" in our internal affairs (by placing a few thousand dollars-worth of ads on FB) you see to have NO PROBLEM with the USA overturning other nations' governments.

I mean, handing out cookies at the Maidan and picking the next government of Ukraine... what would you call THAT?

Say, you wouldn't be a hyocrite, would you??

Nah ....




Dozens ‘Liquidated’ as Russia Sends Troops to Kazakhstan and Blames ‘Outside’ Forces for the Chaos

Dozens of demonstrators have been reported dead in Kazakhstan as protests turned to bloodshed Thursday and Russia sent in paratroopers in a dangerous bid to crush the uprising.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/dozens-liquidated-as-russia-sends
-troops-to-kazakhstan-and-blames-outside-forces-for-the-chaos/ar-AASuNRY?ocid=msedgntp




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Thursday, January 6, 2022 4:38 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


These were not "demonstrators", THUGR. Stop responding to spin.

It's not like these were innocent protesters who got rounded up, taken to an empty field and made to dig their own graves.
They were firing on/attacking police stations. If you're shooting at a police station, you should expect to be shot back.

You don't rack up dozens of dead security forces ... ONE BEHEADED... and hundreds wounded because of "peaceful protests".

The rules of engagement are clear:
"Those who don't lay down their weapons will be killed"

Sounds fair to me.

If there were people attacking Capitol Hill with weapons, I'm sure you'd have NO PROBLEM calling out the troops and ordering them to fire!

Hell, look how you shit bricks when a bunch of unarmed protestors - one painted guy with a horned helmet even!- trespassed illegally! You were all ready to declare them "coup plotters" and have them shot by firing squad!

Jeezus, you're stupid. And gullible. And a bully. With no moral compass whatsoever.

Just stop posting, willya? I mean, I know you get off being a bully. You've made that abundantly clear. But the more you post, the more you embarrass yourself.

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Thursday, January 6, 2022 5:14 PM

SIGNYM

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Okay THUGR, here's a helpful hint to so don't make an moral asshole of yourself so often:

The rules that you apply to others, try to apply them to yourself/USA.

Here are a few recent examples:

You don't think other nations should interfere in USA internal matters. Therefore, USA shouldn't interfere in other nations' internal matters.

You think that the USA government should be able to defend itself against violent overthrow. Therefore, other governments should be able to defend themselves against violent overthrow.

There is an old saying: what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Same rules apply. It's simple, see?

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Thursday, January 6, 2022 6:24 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


how demonstrators were treated in Kazakhstan

Quote:

The hardened-steel baton made the most disturbing sound as it bounced off the woman's skull.

It varied between a hollow click and a deeper snap, depending on where on her head the metal weapon made contact.

“Please don’t beat her!” a man in the crowd yelled.

... “Stand up” intoned a police officer in riot gear.

After repeatedly striking her in the head, the officer in white holstered his baton. Then he made a fist with his bare left hand and punched her in the face.

“Oh, no-no-no! Please! Please don’t beat her!” someone shouted, to no effect.

After three full-force knuckle shots to her head, the officer in white paused. Then he went in for two more blows. He grabbed the hair at the back of her head and pulled it hard.



Kinda makes your blood boil, doesn't it? More about this later.

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Friday, January 7, 2022 2:38 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
how demonstrators were treated in Kazakhstan

Quote:

The hardened-steel baton made the most disturbing sound as it bounced off the woman's skull.

It varied between a hollow click and a deeper snap, depending on where on her head the metal weapon made contact.

“Please don’t beat her!” a man in the crowd yelled.

... “Stand up” intoned a police officer in riot gear.

After repeatedly striking her in the head, the officer in white holstered his baton. Then he made a fist with his bare left hand and punched her in the face.

“Oh, no-no-no! Please! Please don’t beat her!” someone shouted, to no effect.

After three full-force knuckle shots to her head, the officer in white paused. Then he went in for two more blows. He grabbed the hair at the back of her head and pulled it hard.



Kinda makes your blood boil, doesn't it? More about this later.




Well, about this incident; I happened on Jan 6 IN WASHINGTON DC.

An officer repeatedly beat and punched a 5'4" unarmed woman for no reason that I could tell. And then the DOJ refused to release 3 hours of video which would have bolstered her lawsuit, until they were order released by a Federal judge.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/january-6-a-legacy-of-troubling-questions_
4194595.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=ZeroHedge


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Friday, January 7, 2022 2:43 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Shit.

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Sunday, January 9, 2022 1:05 PM

THG


As Kazakhstan models China's brutality, will China model its protests?

On Friday, Kazakhstan President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev ordered security forces to "kill without warning," a desperate bid to end violent protests that have claimed more than three dozen lives and resulted in more than 3,000 detentions.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/as-kazakhstan-models-china-s-brut
ality-will-china-model-its-protests/ar-AASAMEp?ocid=msedgntp





I love the way comrades’ Kiki and Signym post as though they are arguing with me. It's what’s being reported on that I’m posting. It's not me voicing my opinion.


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Sunday, January 9, 2022 2:13 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


I argue with you bc you repeatn lies. You repeat sources that have lied to you, they KEEP ON lying to you, and you keep believing them even when the lies are pointed out to you.

Case in point: when you have armed groups with modern weapons, walkie talkies, and vahicles storming airports, government buildings, and media centers, raiding armories and attacking police stations, THESE ARE NOT DEMONSTRATORS OR PROTESTORS, THEY ARE ARMED INSURRECTIONISTS.

THE FACT THAT THE M$M KEEPS CALLING THEM PROTESTORS AND DEMONSTRATORS - AND THAT YOU KEEP REPEATING IT- MAKES AS LITTLE SENSE AS CALLING UNARMED, UNORGANIZED PROTESTORS/ RIOTERS "COUP PLOTTERS".

You must be exceptionally, abysmally stupid bc you STILL haven't learned that you're being lied to, and you keep swallowing, and regurgitating, shit w/o a moment's hesitation.

When you pull your head out of your ass and show a glimmer of intelligence, I'll stop pointing out your egregious stupidity.

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Sunday, January 9, 2022 2:39 PM

THG


I'm sure you won't like this either comrade signym.

T



The F-35 Stealth Fighter is now the World’s Best Stealth Fighter. Its detection range, geolocation, threat identification, and system response capabilities allow the jet to precisely fix and destroy the most advanced threats in the world including every layer of Russia’s latest surface-to-air missile system.






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Sunday, January 9, 2022 2:48 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


F-35, taken out of service bc of failure to lower landing gear requires emergency belly-flop landing.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2022/01/05/south-korea-air-for
ce-pilot-emergency-landing-F-35-gear-up-Lockheed-Martin/4511641398691
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Sunday, January 9, 2022 2:57 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
F-35, taken out of service bc of failure to lower landing gear requires emergency belly-flop landing.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2022/01/05/south-korea-air-for
ce-pilot-emergency-landing-F-35-gear-up-Lockheed-Martin/4511641398691
/






Yep, shit happens...

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Sunday, January 9, 2022 2:59 PM

THG


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Blinken warns Russia of 'massive consequences' over Ukraine aggression





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Sunday, January 9, 2022 3:04 PM

THG


Poor Putty...

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Sunday, January 9, 2022 3:17 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!! ...

because

... KAZAKHSTAN!!!

I know I saw it on a map somewhere. Maybe next to Canada? Or Mexico? Somewhere important!


(THUGGER is softening us up to support a 2-front war. )



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Sunday, January 9, 2022 4:05 PM

SIGNYM

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A LOT of shit happens with the F-35. The anti-radar coating can't get wet. Which is why an F-35 recently crashed in England- someone forgot to remove the tarp before takeoff, and it got sucked into an engine.

Every hour of flying time requires 10 hours of maintenance.

It takes HOURS to download the latest avionics and terrain data from satellite.

The jet is limited to 40-50 seconds of Mach 1.3 flight (version depending) bc high speeds damage the stealth skin and rear antenna.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a32701605/f-35-supe
rsonic-flight-speed-limit
/

On top of which, bc the stealth profile depends on armaments being carried in the belly of the plane, with the bomb bay doors closed, the plane suffers from overheated fuel and avionics, requiring refrigerated fuel trucks on the ground.

https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/37314/has-the-f-35-lightn
ing-ii-overheating-problem-been-resolved


The idea originally was the create a multi-role stealth jet with 85% overlap of parts between versions but the requirements between versions are so different (loiter time, speed, armor, etc) that it has evolved into a finicky overly complicated boondoggle that requires far too much ground support to be practical in combat situations.

But SOMEBODY made a lot of money on it!

Any competent designer knows that you can't make a do-everythimg jet. Ground support requires a slow speed, heavily armored plane that can loiter for long periods of time. A fighter requires speed and agility. Bombers carry high payloads. Carrier aircraft and invasion force need short, or VERY short runways. I don't see how there could be a single design that can accomplish all of these.

Over-promised, under-delivered. Our military needs to get it's head out of its ass and start ordering weapons systems that are more thought out: What is the mission, offensive or defensive? What countermeasures will be encountered? What do we need?

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Sunday, January 9, 2022 6:47 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

THUGGER is softening us up to support a 2-front war.




Meanwhile, while Democrats run everything mind you, Second is trying to drum up a Civil War on our shores.



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Sunday, January 9, 2022 8:35 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



As I think about it, Kazakhstan has all the appearance of a ginned-up phony 'color revolution' specifically manufactured post-haste to explain why the US can't POSSIBLY talk with RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!


But it makes me speculate on a potential strategy, to wit -

China is a weak target for US military action, because it still holds a lot of US denominated financials and it still depends on manufacturing for the US market. China would not be eager to lose either the value of its holdings or of its market. In other words, there are still other significant tools to be used against China.

Russia otoh has a hardened economy (and also an ascendant military). So picking a full-on military fight with Russia wouldn't be advisable - unless you're of course a neo-con who believes nuclear war is winnable. But picking proxy-wars with Russia might be the way to go!

And, if the US makes-nice(er) with China while picking a fight with Russia, it would also test the Russia-China partnership. China I think would be very unlikely to go to bat against the US in terms of either military participation or economic isolation, due to its economic vulnerability versus the US.

If that theory is correct, expect the US media to stand-down on China and how awful it's been treating the Uyghurs, Hong Kong, Taiwan ... manufactured pointless concern of the day ...

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Monday, January 10, 2022 12:38 PM

THG


You keep talking bullshit comrade signym. It's what you do best.

T





Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
A LOT of shit happens with the F-35. The anti-radar coating can't get wet. Which is why an F-35 recently crashed in England- someone forgot to remove the tarp before takeoff, and it got sucked into an engine.

Every hour of flying time requires 10 hours of maintenance.

It takes HOURS to download the latest avionics and terrain data from satellite.

The jet is limited to 40-50 seconds of Mach 1.3 flight (version depending) bc high speeds damage the stealth skin and rear antenna.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a32701605/f-35-supe
rsonic-flight-speed-limit
/

On top of which, bc the stealth profile depends on armaments being carried in the belly of the plane, with the bomb bay doors closed, the plane suffers from overheated fuel and avionics, requiring refrigerated fuel trucks on the ground.

https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/37314/has-the-f-35-lightn
ing-ii-overheating-problem-been-resolved


The idea originally was the create a multi-role stealth jet with 85% overlap of parts between versions but the requirements between versions are so different (loiter time, speed, armor, etc) that it has evolved into a finicky overly complicated boondoggle that requires far too much ground support to be practical in combat situations.

But SOMEBODY made a lot of money on it!

Any competent designer knows that you can't make a do-everythimg jet. Ground support requires a slow speed, heavily armored plane that can loiter for long periods of time. A fighter requires speed and agility. Bombers carry high payloads. Carrier aircraft and invasion force need short, or VERY short runways. I don't see how there could be a single design that can accomplish all of these.

Over-promised, under-delivered. Our military needs to get it's head out of its ass and start ordering weapons systems that are more thought out: What is the mission, offensive or defensive? What countermeasures will be encountered? What do we need?

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Monday, January 10, 2022 4:45 PM

THG


Here you go comrade.

T



The Man Putin Fears The Most






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Monday, January 10, 2022 4:48 PM

SIGNYM

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Why are you so obsessed with what's happening in RUSSIA, comrade?
Aren't you more concerned about us?

And why do you keep posting bullshit, anyway? Haven't you figured out by now it's 90pct disinfo?
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Saturday, January 15, 2022 6:19 AM

THG


NATO will not allow Russia to blackmail the alliance, Germany says

BERLIN, Jan 14 (Reuters) - NATO will not allow Moscow to blackmail the alliance and will not accept a Russian veto against an enlargement, German Defence Minister Christine Lambrecht said on Friday.

"Russia does not have a veto in issues concerning the alliance and cannot blackmail us. These red lines must be clear in all pending talks," she told parliament.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nato-will-not-allow-russia-to-bla
ckmail-the-alliance-germany-says/ar-AASMaHR?ocid=msedgntp




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Saturday, January 15, 2022 6:32 AM

THG


US intelligence says Russia has prepared a false-flag operation to invade Ukraine

"We do have information that indicates that Russia is already working actively to create a pretext for a potential invasion, for a move on Ukraine," Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby told reporters on Friday.

"The Russian military plans to begin these activities several weeks before a military invasion, which could begin between mid-January and mid-February," the official said. "We saw this playbook in 2014 with Crimea."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-intelligence-says-russia-has-p
repared-a-false-flag-operation-to-invade-ukraine/ar-AASN2yc?ocid=msedgntp




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Saturday, January 15, 2022 10:14 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Why are you cheerleading a war with Russia, boy?

Do you have stock in CNN or something?

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Saturday, January 15, 2022 1:53 PM

THG


No way this ends good for putie.

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Saturday, January 15, 2022 2:26 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Teddy boy can't wait for war.

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Saturday, January 15, 2022 3:27 PM

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Saturday, January 15, 2022 10:19 PM

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Classic NeoCon Ted.



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Sunday, January 16, 2022 6:33 AM

THG


Why Ukraine’s Turkish-made drone became a flash point in tensions with Russia

The strike on Oct. 26 — from a Bayraktar TB2 drone made by NATO-member Turkey — represented more than another clash in nearly eight years of fighting in eastern Ukraine.

For Russia, it was another signal that Ukraine is boosting its arsenal to potentially change the military balance in the region — and why Moscow is demanding NATO end all defense cooperation with Ukraine and other former Soviet republics such as Georgia. The United States and its NATO allies say that Russia can never dictate its policies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/01/15/ukraine-russia-drones-
turkey
/



80% of Ukrainians did not want to join NATO until Putin invaded their country. He created a NATO want to be and now he is realizing his blunder. Russia’s problem will not end until they leave Crimea. It’s a problem that won’t go away.

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Sunday, January 16, 2022 10:20 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Why Ukraine’s Turkish-made drone became a flash point in tensions with Russia

The strike on Oct. 26 — from a Bayraktar TB2 drone made by NATO-member Turkey — represented more than another clash in nearly eight years of fighting in eastern Ukraine.

For Russia, it was another signal that Ukraine is boosting its arsenal to potentially change the military balance in the region — and why Moscow is demanding NATO end all defense cooperation with Ukraine and other former Soviet republics such as Georgia. The United States and its NATO allies say that Russia can never dictate its policies.

http://fireflyfans.net/mreply.aspx?mid=1148664






80% of Ukrainians did not want to join NATO until Putin invaded their country. He created a NATO want to be and now he is realizing his blunder. Russia’s problem will not end until they leave Crimea. It’s a problem that won’t go away.

T








Ted's source?

The reply button for this thread.



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Sunday, January 16, 2022 12:48 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Why are you so obsessed with what's happening in RUSSIA, comrade?
Aren't you more concerned about us?

And why do you keep posting bullshit, anyway? Haven't you figured out by now it's 90pct disinfo?




Romney: Putin can’t be allowed to rebuild the Soviet Union

Sen. Mitt Romney said Sunday that it is up to the United States and other Western nations to prevent Russian President Vladimir Putin from recreating the Soviet Union in some form.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/romney-putin-can-t-be-allowed-to-
rebuild-the-soviet-union/ar-AASQ5Em?ocid=msedgntp




Because you and kiki keep posting Putins’ propaganda, I post what the worlds’ free press has to say. Big difference between the two; aye comrade.

And, all you’ve succeeded in doing is help create this thread that makes Putin look like the asshole he is. A thread that has been viewed around 32 thousand times. Yep, viewed again and again and again comrade.

Too funny...

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Sunday, January 16, 2022 4:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Why Ukraine’s Turkish-made drone became a flash point in tensions with Russia

The strike on Oct. 26 — from a Bayraktar TB2 drone made by NATO-member Turkey — represented more than another clash in nearly eight years of fighting in eastern Ukraine.

For Russia, it was another signal that Ukraine is boosting its arsenal to potentially change the military balance in the region — and why Moscow is demanding NATO end all defense cooperation with Ukraine and other former Soviet republics such as Georgia. The United States and its NATO allies say that Russia can never dictate its policies.

http://fireflyfans.net/mreply.aspx?mid=1148664






80% of Ukrainians did not want to join NATO until Putin invaded their country. He created a NATO want to be and now he is realizing his blunder. Russia’s problem will not end until they leave Crimea. It’s a problem that won’t go away.

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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 7:09 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

US Scrambles For 'Contingency Plans' From Energy Firms On Gas Supply Crunch Amid Russia-Ukraine Crisis

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/us-scrambles-input-energy-firms-europ
e-gas-supply-amid-russia-ukraine-standoff


WHAT "crisis"?
There is no crisis.
It's all made up by the the USA.

Russia is not going to "invade" unnless the USA places large offensive weapons in Ukraine. All the USA has to do to avoid a "crisis" is ... NOTHING.

Yep, that's it- do nothing!

Such bullshit.

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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 7:14 AM

SIGNYM

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I see THUGR really is jonesing for war.

Be careful what you wish for, THUGR.
You won't like what you get.

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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 7:26 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
You keep talking bullshit comrade signym. It's what you do best.

T





Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
A LOT of shit happens with the F-35. The anti-radar coating can't get wet. Which is why an F-35 recently crashed in England- someone forgot to remove the tarp before takeoff, and it got sucked into an engine.

Every hour of flying time requires 10 hours of maintenance.

It takes HOURS to download the latest avionics and terrain data from satellite.

The jet is limited to 40-50 seconds of Mach 1.3 flight (version depending) bc high speeds damage the stealth skin and rear antenna.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a32701605/f-35-supe
rsonic-flight-speed-limit
/

On top of which, bc the stealth profile depends on armaments being carried in the belly of the plane, with the bomb bay doors closed, the plane suffers from overheated fuel and avionics, requiring refrigerated fuel trucks on the ground.

https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/37314/has-the-f-35-lightn
ing-ii-overheating-problem-been-resolved


The idea originally was the create a multi-role stealth jet with 85% overlap of parts between versions but the requirements between versions are so different (loiter time, speed, armor, etc) that it has evolved into a finicky overly complicated boondoggle that requires far too much ground support to be practical in combat situations.

But SOMEBODY made a lot of money on it!

Any competent designer knows that you can't make a do-everythimg jet. Ground support requires a slow speed, heavily armored plane that can loiter for long periods of time. A fighter requires speed and agility. Bombers carry high payloads. Carrier aircraft and invasion force need short, or VERY short runways. I don't see how there could be a single design that can accomplish all of these.

Over-promised, under-delivered. Our military needs to get it's head out of its ass and start ordering weapons systems that are more thought out: What is the mission, offensive or defensive? What countermeasures will be encountered? What do we need?

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OOOOOHHH! The F-35 has LONG RANGE SENSORS!

WOW! Wooda thunk???

/snicker!

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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 9:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

US Scrambles For 'Contingency Plans' From Energy Firms On Gas Supply Crunch Amid Russia-Ukraine Crisis

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/us-scrambles-input-energy-firms-europ
e-gas-supply-amid-russia-ukraine-standoff


WHAT "crisis"?
There is no crisis.
It's all made up by the the USA.

Russia is not going to "invade" unnless the USA places large offensive weapons in Ukraine. All the USA has to do to avoid a "crisis" is ... NOTHING.

Yep, that's it- do nothing!

Such bullshit.




UK planes took a long detour around Germany to deliver weapons to Ukraine in case Russia invades

The UK sent Ukraine anti-tank weapons on Monday for use in self-defense in case Russia invades.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/uk-planes-took-a-long-detour-arou
nd-germany-to-deliver-weapons-to-ukraine-in-case-russia-invades/ar-AASTGyr?ocid=msedgntp




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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 9:08 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I see THUGR really is jonesing for war.

Be careful what you wish for, THUGR.
You won't like what you get.




Russia Thins Out Its Embassy in Ukraine, a Possible Clue to Putin’s Next Move

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-thins-out-its-embassy-in-u
kraine-a-possible-clue-to-putin-s-next-move/ar-AASSmCE?ocid=msedgntp




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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:01 PM

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Russia moves more troops westward amid Ukraine tensions

MOSCOW (AP) — Russia is sending troops from the country’s far east to Belarus for major war games, officials said Tuesday, a deployment that will further beef up Russian military assets near Ukraine amid Western fears of a planned invasion.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-moves-more-troops-westward
-amid-ukraine-tensions/ar-AASTKEU?ocid=msedgntp




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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:03 PM

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The United Kingdom has supplied Ukraine with anti-tank weapons and Canada sent special forces to help Kyiv avert a possible attack from Russia, which denied claims that it is looking for a pretext to invade the neighboring state and rejected that it started the evacuation of embassy staff ahead of a full military invasion.

Canada, which has the world's third-largest Ukrainian population after Ukraine and Russia, has maintained a 200-strong training mission in western Ukraine since 2015. On Sunday, it urged Canadians to avoid nonessential travel to Ukraine, in a new advisory citing "Russian aggression."

More at https://www.dailysabah.com/world/europe/uk-gives-ukraine-anti-tank-wea
pons-as-canada-sends-special-forces


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
The United Kingdom has supplied Ukraine with anti-tank weapons and Canada sent special forces to help Kyiv avert a possible attack from Russia, which denied claims that it is looking for a pretext to invade the neighboring state and rejected that it started the evacuation of embassy staff ahead of a full military invasion.

Canada, which has the world's third-largest Ukrainian population after Ukraine and Russia, has maintained a 200-strong training mission in western Ukraine since 2015. On Sunday, it urged Canadians to avoid nonessential travel to Ukraine, in a new advisory citing "Russian aggression."

More at https://www.dailysabah.com/world/europe/uk-gives-ukraine-anti-tank-wea
pons-as-canada-sends-special-forces





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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:11 PM

SIGNYM

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Britain is jonesing for war, too, even worse than the Biden* administration. At some point, all of this jonesing and "preparation" by the west will become a self fulfilling prophecy.

Don't forget, it's NATO that expanded eastward, (breaking promises by the west), not Russia expanding westward, that caused this line of contact.

"whether it's Ukraine in NATO, or NATO in Ukraine, it's a red line".

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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Don't forget, it's NATO that expanded eastward, (breaking promises by the west), not Russia expanding westward, that caused this line of contact.

"whether it's Ukraine in NATO, or NATO in Ukraine, it's a red line".

Russia has land borders with 14 countries. Five of them are NATO members. Suddenly it's a red line at six, Signym? Five is okay, six is too many?

NATO Allies welcome Ukraine’s aspirations to join NATO and they stand by the decision made at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine will become a member of the Alliance.

Decisions regarding NATO membership are up to each individual applicant and the 30 NATO Allies. Russia has no right to intervene and cannot veto such a process.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/115204.htm

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Don't forget, it's NATO that expanded eastward, (breaking promises by the west), not Russia expanding westward, that caused this line of contact.

There is also a lie buried in that sentence. This is the lie: (breaking promises by the west)

Very clever of Signym to bury the lie. That little five word long lie is of great importance, believe it or not. Signym knows that.

False Claim by Russians: NATO promised Russia it would not expand after the Cold War

Fact: NATO Allies take decisions by consensus and these are recorded. There is no record of any such decision taken by NATO. Personal assurances from individual leaders cannot replace Alliance consensus and do not constitute formal NATO agreement.

In addition, at the time of the alleged promise, the Warsaw Pact still existed. Its members did not agree on its dissolution until 1991. The idea of their accession to NATO was not on the agenda in 1989. This was confirmed by Mikhail Gorbachev himself in an interview with Russia Beyond the Headlines:

"The topic of 'NATO expansion' was not discussed at all, and it wasn't brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Not a single Eastern European country raised the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist in 1991. Western leaders didn't bring it up, either."

Declassified White House transcripts also reveal that, in 1997, Bill Clinton consistently refused Boris Yeltsin's offer of a 'gentlemen's agreement' that no former Soviet Republics would enter NATO: "I can't make commitments on behalf of NATO, and I'm not going to be in the position myself of vetoing NATO expansion with respect to any country, much less letting you or anyone else do so…NATO operates by consensus."

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_111767.htm#Myths

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 2:20 PM

SIGNYM

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There is, as always, a lie buried in your post, SECOND. Did I post THAT NATO promised? NO I DID NOT.

I said "the west". The west promised, when negotiating the re-unification of Germany, "not one inch eastward". That was part of the agreement, whether signed or not. Notes were taken, it was written.

And since NATO has expanded eastward to the point of touching Russia's border, they claim Russia is threatening them when it's the other way around.

For Russia, having missiles in Poland is like us having missiles in Cuba. It's a huge security threat. Ignoring or lying about or spinning it it doesn't make it go away for them. Or for us.

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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 7:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There is, as always, a lie buried in your post, SECOND. Did I post THAT NATO promised? NO I DID NOT.

I said "the west". The west promised, when negotiating the re-unification of Germany, "not one inch eastward". That was part of the agreement, whether signed or not. Notes were taken, it was written.

And since NATO has expanded eastward to the point of touching Russia's border, they claim Russia is threatening them when it's the other way around.

For Russia, having missiles in Poland is like us having missiles in Cuba. It's a huge security threat. Ignoring or lying about or spinning it it doesn't make it go away for them. Or for us.

Every house in my neighborhood has guns because this is Baytown Texas, but I don't invade their houses to take away their guns. If I did, I would be shot dead. Similarly, if Putin invades Ukraine, he deserves to be shot dead. I know perfectly well that it won't be Putin riding into Ukraine so the likelihood of him being immediately shot dead is approximately zero, which is why Putin is acting as he is. Because the ultimate decision makers are NOT at any risk of immediate death for making stupid decisions is why the world never has run worth a goddamn.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 10:33 PM

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So JFK should have let Soviet missiles stay in Cuba.

Got it. (I always knew you hated America.)

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Wednesday, January 19, 2022 7:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So JFK should have let Soviet missiles stay in Cuba.

Got it. (I always knew you hated America.)

The short story of the Cuban Missile Crisis is that Kennedy put missiles into Turkey. And so Khrushchev put missiles into Cuba. And so General Curtis LeMay wanted to nuke Cuba. If LeMay and the Joint Chiefs of Staff had not been mentally unstable, as the Vietnam War would repeatedly demonstrate how emotionally unsound these men were, Kennedy could have quietly removed the missiles from Turkey without a crisis and Khrushchev would have done the same in Cuba. But here is how it actually went:

The Joint Chiefs of Staff unanimously agreed that a full-scale attack and invasion was the only solution. They believed that the Soviets would not attempt to stop the US from conquering Cuba.

Kennedy was skeptical: "They, no more than we, can let these things go by without doing something. They can't, after all their statements, permit us to take out their missiles, kill a lot of Russians, and then do nothing. If they don't take action in Cuba, they certainly will in Berlin."[54]

Kennedy concluded that attacking Cuba by air would signal the Soviets to presume "a clear line" to conquer Berlin. Kennedy also believed that US allies would think of the country as "trigger-happy cowboys" who lost Berlin because they could not peacefully resolve the Cuban situation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis#Responses_considere
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If Putin has the equivalent of Kennedy's Joint Chiefs of Staff during the Cuban Missile Crisis and Putin lacks good sense and Putin doesn't restrain his Generals, then there will be an invasion of Ukraine.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, January 19, 2022 11:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Britain is jonesing for war, too, even worse than the Biden* administration. At some point, all of this jonesing and "preparation" by the west will become a self fulfilling prophecy.

Don't forget, it's NATO that expanded eastward, (breaking promises by the west), not Russia expanding westward, that caused this line of contact.

"whether it's Ukraine in NATO, or NATO in Ukraine, it's a red line".






NATO isn’t on the move. Putins’ neighbors are. They’ve had enough of Russian rule. And as I’ve recently said; 80% of Ukrainians didn’t want to join NATO until Putin invaded. This is his mess.

Now when asked, 58% of Ukrainians would prefer to join the EU with 21% wanting to join NATO. That's 79% wanting nothing to do with Russia. How many of those left just want Russia to leave them alone?

Let me ask you comrade signym. How about Putin lets them choose.

T



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Wednesday, January 19, 2022 12:34 PM

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Quote:

SIGNYM:
Britain is jonesing for war, too, even worse than the Biden* administration. At some point, all of this jonesing and "preparation" by the west will become a self fulfilling prophecy.

Don't forget, it's NATO that expanded eastward, (breaking promises by the west), not Russia expanding westward, that caused this line of contact.

"whether it's Ukraine in NATO, or NATO in Ukraine, it's a red line".

THUGR: NATO isn’t on the move. Putins’ neighbors are.

This is the dumb-guy quote of the month.


All of the coups and manufactured "color revolutions" were just spontaneous outpourings? Had nothing to do with the $5 BILLION that the USA spent in Ukraine pre-2014, and the constant flow of disinformation from our collective NGOs, and the security forces that we bribed, and the mercs that we hired? (Speaking of meddling in other nations' internal affairs.)

Nah...



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Wednesday, January 19, 2022 1:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

All of the coups and manufactured "color revolutions" were just spontaneous outpourings? Had nothing to do with the $5 BILLION that the USA spent in Ukraine pre-2014, and the constant flow of disinformation from our collective NGOs, and the security forces that we bribed, and the mercs that we hired? (Speaking of meddling in other nations' internal affairs.)

Nah...

If you're making extraordinary claims, you need proof, but not from sources that are Putin's people or repeating what Putin's people wrote for them. This is exactly the same as Signym's claim that the "West" (who is this "West"? ) promised that NATO would not expand. NATO didn't give such a promise to Russia. Neither did the "West". The promise only exists as propaganda written by Putin's people.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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