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Wednesday, January 19, 2022 1:32 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

All of the coups and manufactured "color revolutions" were just spontaneous outpourings? Had nothing to do with the $5 BILLION that the USA spent in Ukraine pre-2014, and the constant flow of disinformation from our collective NGOs, and the security forces that we bribed, and the mercs that we hired? (Speaking of meddling in other nations' internal affairs.)

Nah...

If you're making extraordinary claims, you need proof, but not from sources that are Putin's people or repeating what Putin's people wrote for them. This is exactly the same as Signym's claim that the "West" (who is this "West"? ) promised that NATO would not expand. NATO didn't give such a promise to Russia. Neither did the "West". The promise only exists as propaganda written by Putin's people.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

You spew bullshit in every post with No EVIDENCE whatsoever, and YOU demand "proof"?

That's rich, coming from a liar like you!

I posted a video of Nuland herself bragging about the $5 billion the USA spent on Ukraine per-2014.
And of course, a video of Nuland and Pyatt hand-selecting Ukraine's new (unelected) government (That's where "fuck the EU" comes from)
Pictures of John McCain associating with know Nazis.
Videos of the Nazi/fascist extremist wing of the Maidan burning buildings ... and the people in them burning alive...
a video of Biden bragging how he got the Chief Procurator fired by threatening to withhold aid, so that Burisma wouldn't be investigated
And of course, Hunter's infamous laptop, which was hushed up pre-election
IMF's threat to Kiev: fight for eastern Ukraine, or die

Shit, I've posted SO MUCH incontrovertible first-hand evidence, there is NO REASON for any of you to be this stupid, or this mendacious!
But you're extremely good at erasing facts from your brain, aren't you, "goldfish memory"?

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Wednesday, January 19, 2022 1:52 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



The US and European countries are CLEARLY in violation of treaties they signed. Here a just a few examples of many violations, violations to which Russia is RESPONDING, NOT INITIATING. If you bothered to read ... you CAN read, can't you? ... you'd know all this.



They remain convinced that security is indivisible and that the security of each of them is inseparably linked to the security of all others. They will not strengthen their security at the expense of the security of other States. They will pursue their own security interests in conformity with the common effort to strengthen security and stability in the CSCE area and beyond.

... the Forum for Security Co-operation adopted a document on principles governing non-proliferation in the field of nuclear weapons, chemical and biological weapons, and the transfer of missiles capable of delivering weapons of mass destruction, and their components and technology.

Reaffirming their respect for each other's sovereign equality and individuality as well as the rights inherent in and encompassed by its sovereignty, the participating States will base their mutual security relations upon a co-operative approach. They emphasize in this regard the key role of the CSCE. They will continue to develop complementary and mutually reinforcing institutions that include European and transatlantic organizations, multilateral and bilateral undertakings and various forms of regional and subregional co-operation. The participating States will co-operate in ensuring that all such security arrangements are in harmony with CSCE principles and commitments under this Code.




NOTE: this is an OSCE document, not Russian.



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Wednesday, January 19, 2022 2:38 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

You spew bullshit in every post with No EVIDENCE whatsoever, and YOU demand "proof"?

That's rich, coming from a liar like you!

#1 I posted a video of Nuland herself bragging about the $5 billion the USA spent on Ukraine per-2014.
#2 And of course, a video of Nuland and Pyatt hand-selecting Ukraine's new (unelected) government (That's where "fuck the EU" comes from)
#3 Pictures of John McCain associating with know Nazis.
#4 Videos of the Nazi/fascist extremist wing of the Maidan burning buildings ... and the people in them burning alive...
#5 a video of Biden bragging how he got the Chief Procurator fired by threatening to withhold aid, so that Burisma wouldn't be investigated
#6 And of course, Hunter's infamous laptop, which was hushed up pre-election
IMF's threat to Kiev: fight for eastern Ukraine, or die

Shit, I've posted SO MUCH incontrovertible first-hand evidence, there is NO REASON for any of you to be this stupid, or this mendacious!
But you're extremely good at erasing facts from your brain, aren't you, "goldfish memory"?

How true is #1? Not at all true, Signym:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2014/mar/19/facebook-posts/unite
d-states-spent-5-billion-ukraine-anti-governm
/

How true is #2? Well, it is a Russian intercept of a phone call, not video. It is really two Russians, sitting side by side in a studio, reading a script into microphones with the director being sure that the sound quality is excellent. Then Putin sends the fake out to the world as if it was Americans. You got faked out again, Signym.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

How true is #3? Not true at all, Signym:
https://fair.org/home/john-mccain-human-rights-ukrainian-nazi-photo-wa
shington-post
/

Signym wrote "Shit, I've posted SO MUCH incontrovertible first-hand evidence, there is NO REASON for any of you to be this stupid, or this mendacious!"

You do NOT have "incontrovertible first-hand evidence", Signym. Do you have any proof that does NOT have Putin's fingerprints on it? I am not checking #4, #5, or #6 because after 3 strikes you are out, Signym.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, January 19, 2022 3:27 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

All of the coups and manufactured "color revolutions" were just spontaneous outpourings? Had nothing to do with the $5 BILLION that the USA spent in Ukraine pre-2014, and the constant flow of disinformation from our collective NGOs, and the security forces that we bribed, and the mercs that we hired? (Speaking of meddling in other nations' internal affairs.)

Nah...

If you're making extraordinary claims, you need proof, but not from sources that are Putin's people or repeating what Putin's people wrote for them. This is exactly the same as Signym's claim that the "West" (who is this "West"? ) promised that NATO would not expand. NATO didn't give such a promise to Russia. Neither did the "West". The promise only exists as propaganda written by Putin's people.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two





But Russia did promise not to invade Ukraine if it gave up its nukes.

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Wednesday, January 19, 2022 3:52 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

You spew bullshit in every post with No EVIDENCE whatsoever, and YOU demand "proof"?

That's rich, coming from a liar like you!

#1 I posted a video of Nuland herself bragging about the $5 billion the USA spent on Ukraine per-2014.
#2 And of course, a video of Nuland and Pyatt hand-selecting Ukraine's new (unelected) government (That's where "fuck the EU" comes from)
#3 Pictures of John McCain associating with know Nazis.
#4 Videos of the Nazi/fascist extremist wing of the Maidan burning buildings ... and the people in them burning alive...
#5 a video of Biden bragging how he got the Chief Procurator fired by threatening to withhold aid, so that Burisma wouldn't be investigated
#6 And of course, Hunter's infamous laptop, which was hushed up pre-election
IMF's threat to Kiev: fight for eastern Ukraine, or die

Shit, I've posted SO MUCH incontrovertible first-hand evidence, there is NO REASON for any of you to be this stupid, or this mendacious!
But you're extremely good at erasing facts from your brain, aren't you, "goldfish memory"?

How true is #1? Not at all true, Signym:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2014/mar/19/facebook-posts/unite
d-states-spent-5-billion-ukraine-anti-governm
/

How true is #2? Well, it is a Russian intercept of a phone call, not video. It is really two Russians, sitting side by side in a studio, reading a script into microphones with the director being sure that the sound quality is excellent. Then Putin sends the fake out to the world as if it was Americans. You got faked out again, Signym.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

How true is #3? Not true at all, Signym:
https://fair.org/home/john-mccain-human-rights-ukrainian-nazi-photo-wa
shington-post
/

Signym wrote "Shit, I've posted SO MUCH incontrovertible first-hand evidence, there is NO REASON for any of you to be this stupid, or this mendacious!"

You do NOT have "incontrovertible first-hand evidence", Signym. Do you have any proof that does NOT have Putin's fingerprints on it? I am not checking #4, #5, or #6 because after 3 strikes you are out, Signym.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

I have videos of NULAND AND BIDEN THEMSELVES BRAGGING ABOUT THEIR INTERFERENCES IN UKRAINE. Where iare "Putin's fingerprints" on that? These people were talking freely - bragging, really- to a friendly audience.

Audio recordings- which have not been denied- of handpicking Ukraine's unelected government. Hunter's laptop, where he entered the info himself. Public pictures of McCain happily posing with known Nazis. Official documents.

WTF SECOND?

Are you delusional??

Wait, don't answer that question. We already know you're a sociopathic liar. Nothing you post is worth even parsing.

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Wednesday, January 19, 2022 7:38 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

WTF SECOND?

Are you delusional??

Wait, don't answer that question. We already know you're a sociopathic liar. Nothing you post is worth even parsing.

You might parse it differently, but the message is clear, Putin threatens to commit mass murder if he doesn't get his way:

21 Dec 2021 -- Today Dmitry Kiselyov, a media mogul known as Putin’s mouthpiece, warned US-led aggression could lead to a nuclear war.

He told NATO to back off, adding: “Otherwise, everyone will be turned into radioactive ash”.

Putin denies any Russian involvement in the region but it is feared he will use the conflict to justify an incursion deeper into Ukraine, threatening to bring war to Europe’s borders.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-warns-nato-eve
ryone-25759453


That is NOT the first time Putin used Threats of Nuclear War

While Russia was making war threats, it was also making nuclear threats. This is not new. Russian nuclear targeting threats date back to 2007. However, this is the first time Moscow used nuclear threats in support of an offensive political agenda and there were a lot of them.

Russia has previously used nuclear threats in support of its aggression against Ukraine, including the deployment of nuclear-capable systems near Ukraine. In September 2014, then-Ukrainian Minister of Defense Colonel General Valeriy Heletey wrote, "The Russian side has threatened on several occasions across unofficial channels that, in the case of continued resistance, they are ready to use a tactical nuclear weapon against us.” In 2015, President Putin said that he would have put Russian nuclear forces on alert during the Crimea crisis if it was necessary. Nuclear threats are now being used in support of a potential invasion of Ukraine and Putin’s “ultimatum” (what Russian state media have called it, although Ryabkov characterizes it as a serious warning) concerning “security assurances.”

Signym, there are more threats by Putin to drop nukes if he doesn't get what he wants at https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2022/01/18/threats_of_war_an
d_nuclear_war_putins_effort_to_revive_the_soviet_union_812521.html


Signym, maybe Putin is lying . . . or truthful.

Signym, maybe Putin is crazy . . . or sane.

Signym, maybe Putin will let us know this year which one he is.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, January 19, 2022 7:45 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



I saw you avatar and I scrolled right past.



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Wednesday, January 19, 2022 8:14 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I saw you avatar and I scrolled right past.



Whenever I see your avatar, I read every word because I admire how well you express yourself. Your clarity and conciseness is irreproachable, making it delightful when you post something.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, January 20, 2022 8:52 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


It’s worth noting the words of Dmitry Muratov, the courageous Russian journalist who remains one of the few independent voices standing up to Mr. Putin and who just received the Nobel Prize for Peace. At a news conference after the awards ceremony in Oslo, as Russian troops and armor were massing on Ukraine’s borders, Mr. Muratov spoke of the iron link between authoritarianism and war. “Disbelief in democracy means that the countries that have abandoned it will get a dictator,” he said. “And where there is a dictatorship, there is a war. If we refuse democracy, we agree to war.”

It was a message similar to the one contained in Mr. Sakharov’s Nobel address in 1975. It was delivered by his wife, the activist Yelena Bonner, because he was barred from leaving the Soviet Union to deliver it in person.

Mr. Sakharov is considered the father of the Soviet hydrogen bomb. Realizing the destructive power of nuclear weapons and concerned about the ethical implications of his work, he later became an advocate for nuclear disarmament and human rights. In sharp contrast to Mr. Sakharov, Mr. Putin threatens to nuke somebody if he doesn’t get whatever he wants from Ukraine.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220106204547/https://www.nytimes.com/202
1/12/09/world/europe/russian-dimitri-muratov-nobel.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, January 20, 2022 9:36 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


If there is an iron link between authoritarianism and war, then the USA must be the most authoritarian nation in the world, seeings as its invaded or destablized over a hundred in its brief history.

Quote:

In fact, there are only three countries in the world America hasn’t invaded or have never seen a U.S. military presence: Andorra, Bhutan, and Liechtenstein.


https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/these-are-the-only-3-countries
-america-hasnt-invaded
/


You walked into THAT one, SECOND, by citing a piece of tripe that EVEN YOU know is stupid. (eg Vietnam being your big real-life example)

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Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:18 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If there is an iron link between authoritarianism and war, then the USA must be the most authoritarian nation in the world, seeings as its invaded or destablized over a hundred in its brief history.

Quote:

In fact, there are only three countries in the world America hasn’t invaded or have never seen a U.S. military presence: Andorra, Bhutan, and Liechtenstein.


https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/these-are-the-only-3-countries
-america-hasnt-invaded
/


You walked into THAT one, SECOND, by citing a piece of tripe that EVEN YOU know is stupid. (eg Vietnam being your big real-life example)

Just a little hint, Signym, Americans wouldn't talk that way about America, but Russians would, especially when justifying an invasion of Ukraine. Also, Americans wouldn't use references to the Cuban Missile Crisis as a justification for invading Ukraine, but Russians do it all the time.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, January 20, 2022 11:20 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You're an idiot, Second.

I was against our imperialism back when GWB was President and I was extremely vocal about it.

I wasn't a Russian then. I wasn't Russian when I said that actually pulling out of Afghanistan was the only good thing that Biden* will get accomplished. I'm not a Russian now.

It's none of our fuckin' business.

Got plenty of problems to deal with right here, and our politicians aren't doing anything but adding to them.

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Thursday, January 20, 2022 12:57 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If there is an iron link between authoritarianism and war, then the USA must be the most authoritarian nation in the world, seeings as its invaded or destablized over a hundred in its brief history.

Quote:

In fact, there are only three countries in the world America hasn’t invaded or have never seen a U.S. military presence: Andorra, Bhutan, and Liechtenstein.


https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/these-are-the-only-3-countries
-america-hasnt-invaded
/


You walked into THAT one, SECOND, by citing a piece of tripe that EVEN YOU know is stupid. (eg Vietnam being your big real-life example)

Just a little hint, Signym, Americans wouldn't talk that way about America, but Russians would, especially when justifying an invasion of Ukraine. Also, Americans wouldn't use references to the Cuban Missile Crisis as a justification for invading Ukraine, but Russians do it all the time.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Are you saying that all of the antiwar protesters in the 60s and 70s were Russian?

That everyone who was against Reagan's invasion of Grenada and his Iran-Contra scheme were Russian?

That everyone who criticized GWB's invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq (on phony grounds) were Russian?

That anyone who was against Obama's destruction of Libya was Russian?

You pull that "Russian troll" CRAP everytime YOU step in it yourself. It's so fucking obvious, just review this thread.

By now it's obvious that you're a sociopathic liar who will do and say ANYTHING to further your hatred of America and Americans. You discredit anything you post, simply by posting it.

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Thursday, January 20, 2022 1:33 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I saw you avatar and I scrolled right past.



Whenever I see your avatar, I read every word because I admire how well you express yourself. Your clarity and conciseness is irreproachable, making it delightful when you post something.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two





Update, fell out of chair laughing.

T



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Thursday, January 20, 2022 1:40 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If there is an iron link between authoritarianism and war, then the USA must be the most authoritarian nation in the world, seeings as its invaded or destablized over a hundred in its brief history.

Quote:

In fact, there are only three countries in the world America hasn’t invaded or have never seen a U.S. military presence: Andorra, Bhutan, and Liechtenstein.


https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/these-are-the-only-3-countries
-america-hasnt-invaded
/


You walked into THAT one, SECOND, by citing a piece of tripe that EVEN YOU know is stupid. (eg Vietnam being your big real-life example)

Just a little hint, Signym, Americans wouldn't talk that way about America, but Russians would, especially when justifying an invasion of Ukraine. Also, Americans wouldn't use references to the Cuban Missile Crisis as a justification for invading Ukraine, but Russians do it all the time.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Are you saying that all of the antiwar protesters in the 60s and 70s were Russian?

That everyone who was against Reagan's invasion of Grenada and his Iran-Contra scheme were Russian?

That everyone who criticized GWB's invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq (on phony grounds) were Russian?

That anyone who was against Obama's destruction of Libya was Russian?

You pull that "Russian troll" CRAP everytime YOU step in it yourself. It's so fucking obvious, just review this thread.

By now it's obvious that you're a sociopathic liar who will do and say ANYTHING to further your hatred of America and Americans. You discredit anything you post, simply by posting it.






Just my opinion Russian Polish Collaborator Signym, but I think what two has been saying is you are Russian. And posting Putins' lies and bullshit propaganda.

Please excuse the double negative. It's hard to describe you or what you do here without using a double negative comrade.



T



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Thursday, January 20, 2022 1:45 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


I forgive you your delusions, THUGR, bc you're too stupid to know any better, and couldn't tell the difference between a lie and the truth if it sat on your face.

But SECOND is a known and deliberate sociopathic liar whose knee-jerk response is to call me a Russian troll every time I call him on his bullshit.

HE EVEN APOLOGIZED TO ME FOR IT.

I hate to throw the one honest deed he did back in his face, but I've re-posted his apology into my profile, along with the linky. which is RIGHT NEXT TO MY AVATAR.

You might want to check it out.

SECOND knows EXACTLY who I am, and every time he insinuates that I'm Russian, he's lying. (*And the fact tha he keeps on libeling me, KNOWING that he apologized for it and KNOWING that I posted his applogy, just shows you what a stone-cold liar he is. And how stupid and gullible he thinks YOU are.)

So, what are you going to believe?
His apology?
Or his libel?






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Thursday, January 20, 2022 2:07 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


Quote:

Ukraine's President Admits 'Russian Invasion' Fears Driven By "Big Hype", Blames Media

Thursday, Jan 20, 2022 - 11:35 AM

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is attempting to calm his population amid persisting and breathless international media reports that over 100,000 Russian troops are set for an "invasion" of Ukraine "at any point" - as the White House has been claiming.

He gave a speech Wednesday toward that end, bluntly calling the current Russia-Ukraine standoff driven by "hype" while urging calm among the Ukrainian citizenry. "The risks have not just existed for a day, and they have not become bigger. The only thing that has become bigger is the hype around them," Zelensky said.



https://www.dailysabah.com/world/europe/big-hype-zelenskyy-urges-restr
aint-amid-risk-of-russian-invasion


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Thursday, January 20, 2022 3:15 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I forgive you your delusions, THUGR, bc you're too stupid to know any better, and couldn't tell the difference between a lie and the truth if it sat on your face.

But SECOND is a known and deliberate sociopathic liar whose knee-jerk response is to call me a Russian troll every time I call him on his bullshit.

HE EVEN APOLOGIZED TO ME FOR IT.

I hate to throw the one honest deed he did back in his face, but I've re-posted his apology into my profile, along with the linky. which is RIGHT NEXT TO MY AVATAR.

You might want to check it out.

SECOND knows EXACTLY who I am, and every time he insinuates that I'm Russian, he's lying. (*And the fact tha he keeps on libeling me, KNOWING that he apologized for it and KNOWING that I posted his applogy, just shows you what a stone-cold liar he is. And how stupid and gullible he thinks YOU are.)

So, what are you going to believe?
His apology?
Or his libel?






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A rabbit hole I’m sure comrade. I’ve seen enough of your bullshit to know that following such a link will not bring anyone to seconds’ actual post. You have hundreds, no thousands of posts here where you post a story you aggregated by changing what the article says and entering bullshit to show your perspective. You add a link to the story that when followed shows you misrepresented to story from top to bottom. How many times did we catch you at that? Too many to count comrade. Too many to count.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Are you saying that all of the antiwar protesters in the 60s and 70s were Russian?

That everyone who was against Reagan's invasion of Grenada and his Iran-Contra scheme were Russian?

That everyone who criticized GWB's invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq (on phony grounds) were Russian?

That anyone who was against Obama's destruction of Libya was Russian?

You pull that "Russian troll" CRAP everytime YOU step in it yourself. It's so fucking obvious, just review this thread.

By now it's obvious that you're a sociopathic liar who will do and say ANYTHING to further your hatred of America and Americans. You discredit anything you post, simply by posting it.

Where I lived, I never saw antiwar protestors. Antiwar existed only on TV. But pro-war was everywhere. In 1972, Americans had a clear and simple pro-war/anti-war choice between:

1) Nixon (who had won in 1968 because he committed treason)
https://www.google.com/search?q=nixon+treason
(and who cheated on his taxes)
https://www.google.com/search?q=nixon+tax+cheat

2) George McGovern (a war hero)
https://www.google.com/search?q=McGovern+war+hero

Americans choose the crook, the liar, the thief. The warmonger Nixon won by a landslide.
https://www.270towin.com/1972_Election/

Americans face binary choices (Nixon/McGovern) all the time, and make the wrong choice, splitting the universe. Then Americans wonder why they are in wrong half of the universe, the half where their lives gets worse every year. When looking at their daily life, where they are making binary decisions less famous than Nixon/McGovern, Americans habitually make terrible decisions. Americans try to shrug it off as six of one, half dozen of the other, but it is not. These are important daily decisions that they screw-up every day, making their life a little worse day by day. It is no surprise when Americans' decisions every four years are just as bad as their daily decisions.

By the way, Signym, your decision to post what you did was the bad choice when the other half of this binary was to post nothing. But it is very clear you have been making bad choices all your life, except not clear at all to you. Such is the life of people who defend, and sometimes even vote for, Trump.

Putin is facing a binary choice. Invade versus Not. I am unconvinced Putin will make the superior choice from looking at other choices he has made in Ukraine.
https://www.google.com/search?q=russia+shoots+down+dutch+plane

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The only ones behaving like Russians are Democrat politicians.

You should probably work on that.

You're sending a lot of mixed messages.



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Thursday, January 20, 2022 7:39 PM

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Quote:

originally posted by SIGNYM:

Are you saying that all of the antiwar protesters in the 60s and 70s were Russian?

That everyone who was against Reagan's invasion of Grenada and his Iran-Contra scheme were Russian?

That everyone who criticized GWB's invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq (on phony grounds) were Russian?

That anyone who was against Obama's destruction of Libya was Russian?

You pull that "Russian troll" CRAP everytime YOU step in it yourself. It's so fucking obvious, just review this thread.

By now it's obvious that you're a sociopathic liar who will do and say ANYTHING to further your hatred of America and Americans. You discredit anything you post, simply by posting it.

SECOND: Where I lived, I never saw antiwar protestors.



For someone who claims to be so rich, you have an awfully limited background.

Where I lived, there were all kinds of protests! Hubby had his head pounded on bc of one. My older sister's University application was firebombed, so she never got accepted there. ROTC buildings were being targeted all the time!

You never watched TV? Never saw the Chicago Dem convention? Never heard about Kent State? What are you: a mushroom?*

No wonder you made such a blindingly stupid mistake as to join a pointless war!

Don't forget- it was Johnson (D) who escalated it beyond all reason and tossed many good lives away. It was Nixon (R) who ended it.

God, you're fixated! Can't learn from experience, can you?

* Kept Keep yourself in the dark and fed feed yourself bullshit?

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Thursday, January 20, 2022 8:48 PM

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Oh BTW, you might want to expand your circle. Yanno get out of Texas and get to know other people. You keep thinking that everything is like Texas, and that everyone who isn't a DNC Dem (and even a few who are) are all like rich Texas Republicans.

They aren't.

And.

It isn't.

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Thursday, January 20, 2022 11:30 PM

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Russia knows we're weak.

Not because our President is an obvious husk of a man.

Because that either

A) Americans in general are so stupid and weak that they put a man like Biden* in office.

OR

B) (What actually happened) Americans allowed a rigged election that they know was rigged to take place to put a man like Biden* into office and didn't do anything about it.


China's watching too.

And the Jawas.

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Friday, January 21, 2022 2:25 AM

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Jawa?

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Russia knows we're weak.

Not because our President is an obvious husk of a man.

Because that either

A) Americans in general are so stupid and weak that they put a man like Biden* in office.

OR

B) (What actually happened) Americans allowed a rigged election that they know was rigged to take place to put a man like Biden* into office and didn't do anything about it.


China's watching too.

And the Jawas.

America is weak because

a) Many Americans are stupid (like THUGR) and believe the propaganda spewed by the elites, who don't have America's interests at heart, and

b) Many Americans are lazy (*like JO*) and prefer the life of intellectual and physical flaccidity offered by the elites, who pretend that laziness on a national scale can continue forever, but mostly because

c) Many Americans are cowardly, and *are afriad to face real life* and seek the "protection" of being in the middle of the establishment/elite herd, instead of bucking the authorities and recognizing that there are hard choices to make and some of those choices take personal courage and sacrifice in order to get off a self-destructive path

And then there is SECOND, who is a corrupted sociopath, who spews disinformation because it is in his interest to do so, because it makes him rich and keeps him getting richer.

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Friday, January 21, 2022 7:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh BTW, you might want to expand your circle. Yanno get out of Texas and get to know other people. You keep thinking that everything is like Texas, and that everyone who isn't a DNC Dem (and even a few who are) are all like rich Texas Republicans.

They aren't.

And.

It isn't.

In Texas, Republicans preferred Ted Cruz over Trump in the 2016 primaries. Cruz is not immoral like Trump, but Cruz doesn't have many sterling qualities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election
_in_Texas#Republican_primary


I will be blunt. Some Democrats are psychologically identical to Republicans, and would vote for a Trump if he was a Democrat. But not very many Democrats are like that. Not many Democrats have a weird psychology tolerating a guy who doesn't pay his taxes, cheats his business associates, cheats his wives, lies as constantly as he breaths, was a chickenhearted draft dodger, insists he won an election he lost, etc.

I know plenty of Republicans that say the bad news about Trump is fake news about Trump. Those Republicans are really saying they are crazy, crazy in the head as a flat-earther who denies Earth is spherical. They can't see it about themselves, but I already knew they were crazy from what happens in the other 95% of life unconnected to politics, so I expected their politics would also be crazy. That Republicans all over America, not just just Texas, did the craziest thing by selecting Trump in the primaries, despite his history, says everything about Republicans.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, January 21, 2022 7:45 AM

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Back to the Putin Disaster.

Putin is trying to arm Russia as if it still is a superpower without having the resources to pay for it. Economy is totally dependent on fossil fuels and demand for natural gas/crude oil will go down. As demand goes, so goes Russia.

Setting a crisis is the common way for dictators in trouble to unite the population and that’s what Putin is trying to do. He is inventing enemies all over, foreign agents trying to infiltrate Russia and he is trying to invoke nationalistic ideas, Russia being an exceptional nation with a mission to dominate Europe.

Most Russians, even the ones who don’t support Putin, are still convinced that Russia is a superpower with the right to bully its neighbors

American politicians have historically deflected attention from their own failures by blaming immigrants or minorities (see Lyndon Johnson's famous "give a [white] man someone to look down on" remark); Putin uses Europe and the West in a similar way. Of course it's not that Russians aren't aware he's a completely corrupt autocrat with dreams of becoming another Stalin -- it's that they feel he's the only one who will "stand up" for them. Exactly what a lot of Republican voters saw in Trump. No wonder they were two peas in a pod.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, January 21, 2022 7:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Russia knows we're weak.

Not because our President is an obvious husk of a man.

Because that either

A) Americans in general are so stupid and weak that they put a man like Biden* in office.

OR

B) (What actually happened) Americans allowed a rigged election that they know was rigged to take place to put a man like Biden* into office and didn't do anything about it.


China's watching too.

And the Jawas.

America is weak because

a) Many Americans are stupid (like THUGR) and believe the propaganda spewed by the elites, who don't have America's interests at heart, and

b) Many Americans are lazy and prefer the life of intellectual and physical flaccidity offered by the elites, who pretend that laziness on a national scale can continue forever, but mostly because

c) Many Americans are cowardly, and seek the "protection" of being in the middle of the establishment/elite herd, instead of bucking the authorities and recognizing that there are hard choices to make and some of those choices take personal courage and sacrifice in order to get off a self-destructive path

And then there is SECOND, who is a corrupted sociopath, who spews disinformation because it is in his interest to do so, because it makes him rich and keeps him getting richer.




Well, in that case...

I hope for their sake those in charge of intelligence in these foreign powers are taking into account that the people who aren't a part of your bullet points are immediately removed from social media and never get any exposure.

There are a lot of us, but you just won't find us there.



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Quote:

SIGNYM:
Oh BTW, you might want to expand your circle. Yanno get out of Texas and get to know other people. You keep thinking that everything is like Texas, and that everyone who isn't a DNC Dem (and even a few who are) are all like rich Texas Republicans.

They aren't.

And.

It isn't.

SECOND: In Texas

Who the fuck gives a rat's ass about Texas?
HINT: It's not all about Texas!

Quote:

SECOND ... blah blah blah ..
I will be blunt. Some Democrats



Who the fuck gives a rat's ass about Democrats??
HINT: Having a (D) after your name doesn't give you an automatic "righteous" card, and if you're a politician of EITHER party you are most likely a corrupt sleazeball who cheats on everything, including your family, your taxes, the truth and your promises. After all, look at Biden*, Harris, Pelosi, and Schumer.

Quote:

SECOND: blah blah blah


I get thru the first few words of your "points" and pretty much stop reading there bc it's all nonsense to justify your fixed and undying hatred of that which revealed to you what you are.

Here's another HINT: If you don't want to feel like a sociopath, stop acting like one.

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Quote:

Iran, Russia, China To Hold Joint Naval Drills After Key Putin-Raisi Summit

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/iran-russia-china-hold-joint-na
val-drills-after-key-putin-raisi-summit


We shit on countries endlessly when they're weak, hoping to destroy them, but if they survive and get strong, they start shitting back on us.

Eventually Iraq (major oil reserves) and Venezuela (largest proven oil reserves in the world) and Kazahkstan (major gas and uranium reserves/alternate energy) will become real assets to the anti-American club.


Oh, how the worm has turned!

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I can't help but think that Ted and Second's recent obsession with Russia is because there's literally no good news coming out of the Biden* camp right now. Even without any viewers, the dying Legacy Media doesn't have anything good to say about him.

All they can do at this point is deflect from how bad this past year has gone for everyone. The problem is, especially for poor people (a large part of their previous voter base), they can't be deflected from the realities that have been thrust upon them because of Democrat's terrible policy making.



I hope you Biden* voters are happy. The few of you who actually voted for him and not the pallets upon pallets of fraudulent mail-in votes. They have no remorse.



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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Having a (D) after your name doesn't give you an automatic "righteous" card, and if you're a politician of EITHER party you are most likely a corrupt sleazeball who cheats on everything, including your family, your taxes, the truth and your promises. After all, look at Biden*, Harris, Pelosi, and Schumer.

With one question, most Republicans flunk the sanity test. If you asked them more questions, more Republicans would flunk the sanity test, but I’m stopping with one question: Who won in 2020?

Do Republicans really believe Trump won the 2020 election? Our research suggests that they do.

By Lane Cuthbert and Alexander Theodoridis

January 7, 2022

All credible evidence tells us that the 2020 election was very secure. Experts on both sides of the political aisle, and even President Donald Trump’s own Justice Department, have confirmed that 2020 was a free and fair election. Even a Republican-sponsored audit of Arizona’s results found no evidence of fraud or malfeasance.

Nevertheless, the vast majority of Republican voters say they agree with Trump’s unsubstantiated claims that the election was stolen. In our most recent University of Massachusetts at Amherst poll, fielded online Dec. 14-20 by YouGov among a nationally representative sample of the U.S. voting-age population, only 21 percent of Republicans say Joe Biden’s victory was legitimate. This is nearly identical to what we found in our April poll, in which just 19 percent of Republicans said Biden was legitimately elected. Other universities, media outlets and polling firms have found nearly identical results.

How could the “big lie” campaign convince so many Republicans that Trump won an election he so clearly lost? Some observers wonder whether these beliefs are genuine or just an example of expressive responding, a term social scientists use to mean respondents are using a survey item to register a feeling rather than express a real belief. In this case, it would mean that these Republicans, upset about Biden winning, say his victory was not legitimate even though they know deep down that it was.

What does the evidence tell us?

While it is difficult to firmly establish what respondents truly believe, clues suggest this is a genuine belief. One piece of evidence is that the result is nearly identical in phone surveys and online surveys. When people respond to phone surveys, those responses are often biased by what social scientists call “social desirability,” in which respondents say what they think makes them look good — even if that is not what they actually believe. Web-based surveys are known to reduce social desirability bias.

Other survey responses appear consistent with a true belief that the election was stolen. In our December UMass Poll, we asked those who said Biden’s presidential victory was illegitimate to select all the reasons they believed so from a list of conspiracy theories floated by those pushing the “big lie.” As you can see below, fully 83 percent say that “fraudulent ballots supporting Joe Biden were counted by election officials”; 81 percent that officials counted “absentee ballots from deceased people”; 76 percent tell us that “non-citizens and other ineligible voters were allowed to vote for Joe Biden”; 69 percent that the victory was illegitimate because “some states changed election rules in ways they should not have”; and 65 percent that election officials destroyed ballots supporting Trump.

In other words, not only do they say that Biden’s victory was not legitimate, but they endorse several (though not all) specific theories about how fraud was perpetrated.

Further, Republicans in our UMass Poll say they would be more likely to vote for 2022 GOP congressional candidates who questioned Biden’s victory and less likely to vote for those who concede that Biden won. Using a conjoint experiment, an approach likely to reduce social desirability bias and expressive response, political scientists Vin Arceneaux and Rory Truex found that Republicans do indeed reward and punish candidates in this way.

How we did further research

To further explore how genuinely Republicans believe the “big lie,” we embedded a list experiment in our December UMass Poll. A list experiment is a technique scholars use to reduce social desirability bias and expressive responding, and it lets us see what percentage of respondents select an item without having to tell us so directly. This way they neither have to tell a pollster something embarrassing or feel the reward of telling a pollster something that expresses a feeling rather than a belief.

In our study, we divided respondents into two groups. We asked all of them: “How many of the following do you believe? Don’t tell us which ones. Just how many.” However, the control group was asked about four statements, while the other group was asked those four, with the addition of this: “Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 presidential election was legitimate.” You can see all five statements in the survey image below.

How many of the following do you believe? Don't tell us which ones. Just how many.
• The country would be better off if more voters were better informed.
• Barack Obama was a good president.
• Congress is good at getting things done.
• Joe Biden's victory in the 2020 presidential election was legitimate.
• Donald Trump was a good president.

Since the lists are otherwise identical, we can see what percentage selected the additional sentence by comparing the control group’s average number with the second group’s average number.

Only 28 percent of Republicans believe that Biden was legitimately elected. That’s what we find when we subtract the average number of statements the Republicans in the control group claim to believe (1.80) from the average number of items the Republicans in the experimental group claim to believe (2.08), giving us 0.28. That’s 28 percent.

That’s almost identical to the percentage of Republicans in our survey (27 percent) who, when asked directly, either told us that Biden’s victory was legitimate (21 percent) or selected “I’m not sure” (6 percent).

Apparently, Republicans are reporting a genuine belief that Biden’s election was illegitimate. If anything, a few Republicans may, for social desirability reasons, be using the “I’m not sure” option to hide their true belief that the election was stolen.

Republican respondents consistently tell pollsters that they doubt the legitimacy of Biden’s election. Apparently, that’s a genuinely held belief.

Alexander Theodoridis (@AGTheodoridis) is an associate professor of political science at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst and associate director of the UMass Poll.

Lane Cuthbert (@LaneGCuthbert) is a PhD student in political science at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst and a research fellow for the UMass Poll.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/07/republicans-big-lie
-trump
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I leave the legitimacy of 2020 an open question.

Because the widespread use of mail in ballots, impossible to verify their authenticity in many districts (cover envelopes were tossed) and widespread statistical anamolies in vote counts (eg hundreds of ballots nearly in a row all swinging the same way) I cannot discount the issue of vote COUNTING fraud. And since when do I trust "establishment" "authority" figures anyway to tell the truth when

a) they have every motivation to lie ("cui bono") and

b) have lied demonstrably in the past?

Anyone who believes mainstream sources is as nutty as a Qanon follower. Anybody who "believes" ANYTHING is nutty.

The only audit that was legit IMHO was Maricopa county AZ bc I followed the details of what they did. and it was as thorough as Hans Blix' WMD audit of Iraq.

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Friday, January 21, 2022 1:47 PM

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Yes. Trump won the election without any doubt.


I'm alright with the way things are going now though.

The Democrats and the Legacy Media got what they wanted and things couldn't possibly be worse for Democrats now and nobody is tuning in to the media lies anymore.

2021 was great. Can't wait to see how they fuck up 2022!



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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I leave the legitimacy of 2020 an open question.

Because the widespread use of mail in ballots, impossible to verify their authenticity in many districts (cover envelopes were tossed) and widespread statistical anamolies in vote counts (eg hundreds of ballots nearly in a row all swinging the same way) I cannot discount the issue of vote COUNTING fraud. And since when do I trust "establishment" "authority" figures anyway to tell the truth when

a) they have every motivation to lie ("cui bono") and

b) have lied demonstrably in the past?

Anyone who believes mainstream sources is as nutty as a Qanon follower. Anybody who "believes" ANYTHING is nutty.

The only audit that was legit IMHO was Maricopa county AZ bc I followed the details of what they did. and it was as thorough as Hans Blix' WMD audit of Iraq.

Who won in 2020? That is easily decided because the facts are very clear. It's an open-and-shut case.

The wrong answer to 'Who won in 2020?' means you are crazy. Your answer, Signym, says you are insane. Congratulations! You've joined up with the majority of GOP voters and politicians!

The Russian equivalent to 'Who won in 2020?' is 'Should Ukraine be invaded before it joins NATO?'

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I leave the legitimacy of 2020 an open question.

Because the widespread use of mail in ballots, impossible to verify their authenticity in many districts (cover envelopes were tossed) and widespread statistical anamolies in vote counts (eg hundreds of ballots nearly in a row all swinging the same way) I cannot discount the issue of vote COUNTING fraud. And since when do I trust "establishment" "authority" figures anyway to tell the truth when

a) they have every motivation to lie ("cui bono") and

b) have lied demonstrably in the past?

Anyone who believes mainstream sources is as nutty as a Qanon follower. Anybody who "believes" ANYTHING is nutty.

The only audit that was legit IMHO was Maricopa county AZ bc I followed the details of what they did. and it was as thorough as Hans Blix' WMD audit of Iraq.

Who won in 2020? That is easily decided because the facts are very clear. It's an open-and-shut case.

The wrong answer to 'Who won in 2020?' means you are crazy. Your answer, Signym, says you are insane. Congratulations! You've joined up with the majority of GOP voters and politicians!

The Russian equivalent to 'Who won in 2020?' is 'Should Ukraine be invaded before it joins NATO?'

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

UNLIKE YOU I DEMAND EVIDENCE NOT BLATHER.
That has saved me from a lot of critical errors, like with Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and the whole RUSSIA COLLUSION! hoax which fell apart faster than toilet paper in water.

You should try it sometime!

The results are NOT clear, only the blather is (on both sides).

The ONLY credible audit was in Maricopa Co. If you have detailed reports of exact procedures and results of other audits, bring them forth. I doubt you can.

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Friday, January 21, 2022 5:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

UNLIKE YOU I DEMAND EVIDENCE NOT BLATHER.
That has saved me from a lot of critical errors, like with Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and the whole RUSSIA COLLUSION! hoax which fell apart faster than toilet paper in water.

You should try it sometime!

The results are NOT clear, only the blather is (on both sides).

The ONLY credible audit was in Maricopa Co. If you have detailed reports of exact procedures and results of other audits, bring them forth. I doubt you can.

Signym, you and every Republican I know brags about their superiority. They are mediocre at best. Mister Donald "I am a very stable genius. Like, very smart" Trump knows his audience and defenders.

There is a demand for more "evidence" in the 59th and last Presidential election because Trump said it was a fake election. No candidate before Trump has acted crazy about an election. Previously, when candidates got votes recounted, they accepted their lose rather than say the recount was fake. But Trump says Fake News! for a year because he is insane. You are demanding more "evidence" because you are insane, too, Signym.

It is fascinating how few votes George Washington received from the entire USA and yet he was still declared the winner by a landslide in his second term:
List of United States presidential elections by popular vote margin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elect
ions_by_popular_vote_margin


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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

UNLIKE YOU I DEMAND EVIDENCE NOT BLATHER.
That has saved me from a lot of critical errors, like with Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and the whole RUSSIA COLLUSION! hoax which fell apart faster than toilet paper in water.

You should try it sometime!

The results are NOT clear, only the blather is (on both sides).
The ONLY credible audit was in Maricopa Co. If you have detailed reports of exact procedures and results of other audits, bring them forth. I doubt you can.


SECOND: Signym, you and every Republican I know brags about their superiority.

You must be Republican then, because you're CONSTANTLY claiming how superior and important and moral you are and how shitty everyone else is! UNLIKE YOU I'm not claiming to be superior to everyone,but I'm certainly superior to a sociopathic liar who... I might add.. has not been able to find the details and technical reports of any other election audit, as I requested.


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This had to have pleased Putin and was orchestrated by Trump’s later-indicted, later-pardoned campaign manager Paul Manafort, who worked as a lobbyist for the Russian-backed former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych for more than a decade.

July 18, 2016

Trump campaign guts GOP’s anti-Russia stance on Ukraine

The Trump campaign worked behind the scenes last week to make sure the new Republican platform won’t call for giving weapons to Ukraine to fight Russian and rebel forces, contradicting the view of almost all Republican foreign policy leaders in Washington.

Throughout the campaign, Trump has been dismissive of calls for supporting the Ukraine government as it fights an ongoing Russian-led intervention. Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, worked as a lobbyist for the Russian-backed former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych for more than a decade.

Still, Republican delegates at last week’s national security committee platform meeting in Cleveland were surprised when the Trump campaign orchestrated a set of events to make sure that the GOP would not pledge to give Ukraine the weapons it has been asking for from the United States.

Inside the meeting, Diana Denman, a platform committee member from Texas who was a Ted Cruz supporter, proposed a platform amendment that would call for maintaining or increasing sanctions against Russia, increasing aid for Ukraine and “providing lethal defensive weapons” to the Ukrainian military.

“Today, the post-Cold War ideal of a ‘Europe whole and free’ is being severely tested by Russia’s ongoing military aggression in Ukraine,” the amendment read. “The Ukrainian people deserve our admiration and support in their struggle.”

Trump staffers in the room, who are not delegates but are there to oversee the process, intervened. By working with pro-Trump delegates, they were able to get the issue tabled while they devised a method to roll back the language.

On the sideline, Denman tried to persuade the Trump staffers not to change the language, but failed. “I was troubled when they put aside my amendment and then watered it down,” Denman told me. “I said, ‘What is your problem with a country that wants to remain free?’ It seems like a simple thing.”

Finally, Trump staffers wrote an amendment to Denman’s amendment that stripped out the platform’s call for “providing lethal defensive weapons” and replaced it with softer language calling for “appropriate assistance.”

That amendment was voted on and passed. When the Republican Party releases its platform Monday, the official Republican party position on arms for Ukraine will be at odds with almost all the party’s national security leaders.

“This is another example of Trump being out of step with GOP leadership and the mainstream in a way that shows he would be dangerous for America and the world,” said Rachel Hoff, another platform committee member who was in the room.

Of course, Trump is not the only politician to oppose sending lethal weapons to Ukraine. President Obama decided not to authorize it, despite recommendations to do so from his top Europe officials in the State Department and the military. The United States has provided Ukraine with non-lethal equipment and aid.

Trump’s view of Russia has always been friendlier than most Republicans. He’s said he would “get along very well” with Vladimir Putin and called it a “great honor” when Putin praised him. Trump has done a lot of business in Russia and has been traveling there since 1987. Last August, he said of Ukraine joining NATO, “I wouldn’t care.” He traveled there in September, and he told Ukrainians their war is “really a problem that affects Europe a lot more than it affects us.”

For Trump, the biggest threat to Europe is not Russia, according to people familiar with his thinking. He believes the United States should focus on helping Europe fight Islamist terrorism and open borders, not confronting Putin. He has called for a reduction of the U.S. commitment to NATO. He simply doesn’t see Russia as a dangerous threat.

For Denman, the Trump campaign’s actions betrayed the U.S. commitment to supporting struggling democracies around the world, which she considers a core Republican value.

“The Ukrainian people are trying to come out of the past and stay free. We owe to those who are fighting for freedom still to give them a helping hand,” she said.

“I’m very passionate and supportive of the Reagan foreign policy of peace through strength.”

Trump too often invokes Ronald Reagan when talking about America’s role in the world. But although Reagan negotiated with the Soviet Union, he also stood up to Russian aggression in Europe and defended democratic principles abroad.

When the platform comes out, Republicans will see how far from the Reagan doctrine their party has drifted, thanks to Trump.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trump-campaign
-guts-gops-anti-russia-stance-on-ukraine/2016/07/18/98adb3b0-4cf3-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html


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Friday, January 21, 2022 7:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You must be Republican then, because you're CONSTANTLY claiming how superior and important and moral you are and how shitty everyone else is!



BURN!

Sigs is really owning it this week.



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Has Putin backed himself into a corner?

Putin’s ultimatum — give me Ukraine, and a say in Europe, or I may do something with all these troops — is a dangerous one. Not just because, well, war, but because it has created a situation where Putin himself has to deliver. “He has two options,” said Olga Lautman, senior fellow at the Center for European Policy Analysis, “to say, ‘never mind, just kidding,’ which will show his weakness and shows that he was intimidated by US and Europe standing together — and that creates weakness for him at home and with countries he’s attempting influence.”

“Or he goes full forward with an attack,” she said. “At this point, we don’t know where it’s going, but the prospects are very grim.”

This is the corner Putin has put himself in, which makes a walk-back from Russia seem difficult to fathom.

https://www.vox.com/22894163/russia-ukraine-putin-biden-nato

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Saturday, January 22, 2022 9:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Are you saying that all of the antiwar protesters in the 60s and 70s were Russian?

That everyone who was against Reagan's invasion of Grenada and his Iran-Contra scheme were Russian?



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Second

Putin is facing a binary choice. Invade versus Not. I am unconvinced Putin will make the superior choice from looking at other choices he has made in Ukraine.
https://www.google.com/search?q=russia+shoots+down+dutch+plane





This and rest of comrade Signyms' post are all noise designed to shift blame away from Putin. Change the topic. In other words, a word salad, dribble. Her posts have nothing to do with current events.

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Military trainers, missiles and over 200,000 lbs of lethal aid: What NATO members have sent Ukraine so far

Last December, the White House authorized a $200 million security assistance package that provides Ukraine with small arms and ammunition, secure radios, medical equipment and spare parts. Other lethal equipment, including Javelin antitank missiles and other anti-armor artillery, as well as heavy machine guns, also were included. The U.S. Embassy in Kyiv said late Friday that a first shipment of nearly 200,000 pounds of lethal aid had recently arrived in Ukraine.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/military-trainers-missiles-and-ov
er-200-000-lbs-of-lethal-aid-what-nato-members-have-sent-ukraine-so-far/ar-AAT1KEH?ocid=msedgntp




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That's nice. We know how much you love war, Ted.

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US sends aircraft carrier group to Mediterranean as Russia threat looms

The U.S. military has sent the USS Harry S. Truman aircraft carrier strike group to take part in a NATO naval exercise in the Mediterranean amid tensions between the West and Russia, the Pentagon's top spokesperson announced Friday.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-sends-aircraft-carrier-group-t
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If Russia invades Ukraine, what happens next?

It would appear to be setting the stage for a repeat of U.S. support for another insurgency — one that led to the denouement of the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Both Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin and Chair of the Joint Chiefs Gen. Mark A. Milley have warned their Russian counterparts that any incursion would be followed by an insurgency. But it’s a policy with significant cost, and a move likely to leave a shattered country in its wake.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/if-russia-invades-ukraine-what-ha
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Saturday, January 22, 2022 5:41 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



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If Russia invades Ukraine ...
It has absolutely zero, nada, zip, zilch, goose egg, to do with US security. And that's why I don't care.


Why do you? Is it because you're so stuck on Putin you just can't help yourself?

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Saturday, January 22, 2022 6:00 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Quote:

If Russia invades Ukraine ...
It has absolutely zero, nada, zip, zilch, goose egg, to do with US security. And that's why I don't care.


Why do you? Is it because you're so stuck on Putin you just can't help yourself?

Putin threatened to nuke the USA over Ukraine, 1kiki.

21 Dec 2021 -- Today Dmitry Kiselyov, a media mogul known as Putin’s mouthpiece, warned US-led aggression could lead to a nuclear war.

He told NATO to back off, adding: “Otherwise, everyone will be turned into radioactive ash”.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-warns-nato-eve
ryone-25759453


That is NOT the first time Putin used Threats of Nuclear War

Threats of War and Nuclear War: Putin’s Effort to Revive the Soviet Union
https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2022/01/18/threats_of_war_an
d_nuclear_war_putins_effort_to_revive_the_soviet_union_812521.html


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Saturday, January 22, 2022 7:17 PM

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The Vineyard of the Saker
A Short-Term Geopolitical Forecast
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By Dmitry Orlov and posted with the author’s permission

Ever since Putin announced his demands for security guarantees from the US and NATO (in brief, stop NATO’s eastward expansion, have NATO retreat to its positions of 1997 and remove offensive weapons from Russia’s immediate vicinity) we have been subjected to a barrage of irrelevancies from Western press:

• Are these security guarantees an ultimatum or a negotiating tool?

• Will the US and NATO agree to them or reject them?

• Will Putin invade the Ukraine or will he be stopped in his tracks through the judicious and timely use of frowning, head-shaking, finger-wagging and tisk-tisking by sundry and assorted Western luminaries?

• If Putin does invade the Ukraine, does this mean that World War III is finally upon us and we shall all surely die?

I hope that I am not alone in being sick and tired of this pathetic, tiresome attempt to throw up a smokescreen and hide the inevitable reality of what is about to unfold. In case it isn’t completely clear to you yet, I would like to spell it all out. I am normally more cautious when making specific predictions, but in this case our immediate future has been carefully plotted out for us by Russia and China, with the US and its assorted puppets reduced to the status of non-playable characters in a video game who can only do one thing: hide behind a dense smokescreen of risible lies.

First, Russian security guarantee demands are not ultimatums. An ultimatum is an “or else” sort of thing, offering a choice between compliance and consequences, whereas in this case both the noncompliance and the consequences will follow automatically. The West and NATO are, for well understood internal political reasons, unable to sign these guarantees; therefore, the consequences will unfold in due course.

Russia has demanded that both the US and NATO put their refusal to agree to the security guarantees in writing; these pieces of paper will be important moving forward. To understand why, we need to take on board the fact that everything within these security guarantees has already been agreed to by the West; namely, the “not an inch to the east” guarantee given to the Russians by the US 30 years ago and the collective security principle agreed to by all members of the OSCE. By signing a document in which they declare their refusal to abide by what they previously agreed to, the US and NATO would essentially declare themselves to be apostates from international law and order. This, in turn, would imply that their own security needs can be disregarded and that instead they deserve to be humiliated and punished.

Further, by putting their refusal in writing, the US and NATO would declare the collective security principle itself—specifically with respect to the US and NATO—to be null and void, meaning that if, for instance, the Bahamas, a sovereign nation since July 10, 1973, decides to reinforce its sovereignty by hosting a Russian missile battery pointed across the Gulf Stream at Miami and Fort Lauderdale, Florida, the US would have no say in the matter, and if the US did try to speak up, they’d get beat up with this very piece of paper they signed. “Do you feel threatened now?” the Russians would ask; “Well, maybe you should have thought of that when you threatened us by putting your missiles in Poland and Romania.”

The initial stated purpose of the two installations of Aegis Ashore in Poland and Romania was to shoot down Iranian missiles, which didn’t exist then, don’t exist now, and never would have taken a giant detour and fly over Poland or Romania in any case. Although the stated purpose of these systems was for missile defense, their launch platforms can also be used to launch offensive strategic weapons: Tomahawk cruise missiles with nuclear payloads. These Tomahawks are obsolete and the Russians know how to shoot them down extremely well (as they demonstrated in Syria) but this is still very annoying, plus seeding the Russian countryside with pulverized American plutonium would not be good for anyone’s health.

Thus, we should expect bad things to happen to these installations, but we should expect to remain rather ill-informed about the details. While the non-negotiations over the Russian security guarantee demands will be as public as possible (in spite of Western plaintive cries asking that they be held in private) the “technical-military means” which Russia will use to deal with Western noncompliance will not be widely publicized. The Romanian installation might become inoperative due to a newly discovered small volcano nearby; the Polish one might succumb of a freak swamp gas explosion.

A further series of unfortunate accidents may cause the US and NATO to become shy and reticent about encroaching on Russia’s borders. NATO troops stationed in the Baltics, a stone’s throw from St. Petersburg, which is Russia’s second-largest city, might complain of repeatedly hearing the word “Thud!” clearly and loudly annunciated, causing them all to be diagnosed with schizophrenia and evacuated. A US spy plane might experience a slight GPS malfunction causing it to blunder into Russian airspace, get shot down, and have its catapulted pilot sentenced to many years of teaching English to kindergarteners in Syktyvkar or Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky. US Navy and NATO vessels, already prone to collisions with each other, underwater mountains and barges, might suffer an unusually large number of such mishaps in proximity to the Russian coastline, causing them to shy away from it. A large number of such events, most out of them transpiring out of sight of the public, news of them suppressed in Western press and social media, would force the mighty US military to confront an uncomfortable existential question: “Are the Russians still afraid of us, or are we just jerking each other off here?” Their response will be to go into denial and to jerk each other off harder and faster than ever before.

But if they are indeed just jerking each other off, then what about their policy of containment? What’s to contain Russia and keep it from recreating USSR 2.0?—other than the fact that the Russians aren’t stupid, learned their lesson the first time around, and Mother Russia will no longer allow a bunch of useless non-Russian ingrates to suckle at her ample bosom. “But when is Russia going to invade the Ukraine?” inquiring minds demand to know, especially those who have been paying attention to Western news sources claiming that Russia has amassed 100090 troops on the Ukrainian border (it hasn’t).

The latest theory is that what is preventing Russia from invading is the warm weather. Apparently, it has been unusually warm since 2014, which is why Russian troops haven’t rolled across the Ukrainian border yet. What have they been waiting for? The next ice age that’s due any millennium now? Instead, Russia just got the bits of the Ukraine it wanted—Crimea, the Donbass and a couple of millions of highly trained Russian-speaking professionals—all without staging an invasion, and is now waiting for the rest of the Ukraine to degenerate into its end state as an ethnic theme park and nature preserve. The only thing that’s not going well with this plan is that the Ukraine needs to be demilitarized, as required by Russia’s recent security guarantee demands.

But what if Russia’s security guarantees aren’t met and US/NATO continue stuffing the Ukraine full of weapons, sending in trainers and establishing bases? Well, then, those will need to be destroyed. This can be done by launching some rockets from small ships sailing around in the Caspian Sea, as was done to destroy ISIS bases in Syria; no ground force invasion needed. It won’t take much to prompt US/NATO to evacuate the Ukraine in a panic, seeing as they have already worked out plans for doing so and have announced that they won’t fight to defend it.

If that’s what unfolds, what do you think will happen next? Will the US start a nuclear war over the Ukraine? Umm… how about “NO!!!” Will the US impose “sanctions from hell”? Perhaps, but you have to understand that at this point in time the US and other Western economies can be accurately caricatured as a crystal vase full of excrement parked on the very edge of a high shelf over a hard marble floor. The hope is that nobody is going to sneeze because the sound pressure might cause it to go over the edge. Sanctions from hell do sound like they could cause a bit of a sneeze. Needless to say, the US will continue to talk about sanctions from hell and maybe even pass some legislation so titled, and claim to have sent “a strong message,” but to no effect.

Will Russia act immediately upon acceptance in writing the West’s refusal to provide it with the requested security guarantees? No, there is bound to be a delay. You see, February 4th is barely two weeks away, and that’s just not enough time to start and finish a military action. What’s on February 4th? Why, the opening ceremony at the Beijing Olympics, of course, at which Putin will be the guest of honor while US dignitaries weren’t even invited.

At the Olympics Putin and Xi will be signing a raft of major agreements, one of which may transform the already very strong relationship between China and Russia into an actual military alliance. The tripartite world order announced by Gen. Milley, in which the US, Russia and China figure as equals, will have lasted all of three months. With Russia and China acting as a unit, the SCO, which by now includes almost all of Eurasia, becomes more than just a geopolitical pole. In comparison, the US and the 29 dwarves of NATO do not quite add up to a geopolitical pole and the world once again becomes unipolar but with the polarity flipped.

And so we should not expect any military action to take place between February 4th and February 20th. Should any military mischief occur during the Olympics, which is traditionally a time of peace in the world, it is sure to be a Western provocation, since the Olympics are a traditional time of Western provocations (Georgia during the Beijing Olympics in 2008; the Ukraine during the Russian Olympics in Sochi in 2014). We can be sure that everyone is very much prepared for this provocation and that it will be dealt with very harshly.

The worst kind of provocation would be if NATO advisers actually succeed in goading the hapless and demoralized Ukrainian troops into invading the Donbass. If that happens, there will be two steps to that operation. The first will involve confusing the Ukrainians into walking into a trap. The second will be to threaten to destroy them using Russian long-range artillery from across the Russian border. When that happened previously, the Ukrainian government in Kiev was forced to sign the Minsk agreements that required the Ukrainian military to pull back and the Kiev government to grant autonomy to the Donbass by amending the Ukraine’s constitution.

But since the government in Kiev has shown no intention of fulfilling the terms of these agreements during the intervening years and instead has done its utmost to sabotage them, there is no reason to expect a new round of Minsk agreements to be signed. Instead, it will be the end of the road for Ukrainian statehood. Putin has promised exactly that. NATO advisers are likely to be frustrated in their efforts to cause the Ukrainians to attack: it is preferable for them to sit there being poked and prodded by their NATO handlers and nagged by US/EU officials and spies than to have their best and brightest obliterated by Russian artillery or to face a final round of national humiliation.

After February 20th, however, we should expect some new and interesting domestic distraction. It could have to do with Western financial house of cards/pyramid scheme finally pancaking, or it could be a fun new virus, or natural gas running out and causing a huge humanitarian emergency. Or it could be a combination of these: the virus can be blamed on China, the gas emergency on Russia, and the financial collapse on both. While everyone is distracted, an aircraft carrier or two might go missing, the Aegis Ashore installation in Poland might get totaled by freak swamp gas explosion and so on and so forth. But then nobody would take notice.

There will still be the major existential question nagging the US military/industrial complex: “Are Russia and China still afraid of us or are we just jerking each other off?” I think I know what answer Russia and China would offer: “Don’t worry about us. Just go on jerking each other off".

https://thesaker.is/a-short-term-geopolitical-forecast/

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Further, by putting their refusal in writing, the US and NATO would declare the collective security principle itself—specifically with respect to the US and NATO—to be null and void, meaning that if, for instance, the Bahamas, a sovereign nation since July 10, 1973, decides to reinforce its sovereignty by hosting a Russian missile battery pointed across the Gulf Stream at Miami and Fort Lauderdale, Florida, the US would have no say in the matter, and if the US did try to speak up, they’d get beat up with this very piece of paper they signed. “Do you feel threatened now?” the Russians would ask; “Well, maybe you should have thought of that when you threatened us by putting your missiles in Poland and Romania.”

Putin threatened to nuke the USA over Ukraine, Signym.

21 Dec 2021 -- Today Dmitry Kiselyov, a media mogul known as Putin’s mouthpiece, warned US-led aggression could lead to a nuclear war.

He told NATO to back off, adding: “Otherwise, everyone will be turned into radioactive ash”.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-warns-nato-eve
ryone-25759453


That is NOT the first time Putin used Threats of Nuclear War

Threats of War and Nuclear War: Putin’s Effort to Revive the Soviet Union
https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2022/01/18/threats_of_war_an
d_nuclear_war_putins_effort_to_revive_the_soviet_union_812521.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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