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Americans prevent massacre in France

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Saturday, August 22, 2015 7:35 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Brave guys. Military training paid off.

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A heavily armed gunman has opened fire on a high-speed train travelling from Amsterdam to Paris before being overpowered by three US citizens, two of whom were soldiers.

Two people were injured in the attack, including one of the Americans, who was admitted to hospital with serious injuries to his hand that needed surgery.

Barack Obama described the men as heroic following the attack on Friday.
Anthony Sadler, Alek Skarlatos and Briton Chris Norman after the attack on

A British passenger, Chris Norman, helped the Americans tie up the suspect, and French anti-terrorist police are now questioning him. He was arrested after the train made an emergency stop at Arras, near the French-Belgian border.

The suspect’s motive was not immediately known, but French prosecutors said counter-terrorism investigators were launching an inquiry. According to early briefings, the gunman, 26, was known to French intelligence services and was Moroccan or of Moroccan origin.

Belgian prosecutors said on Saturday they had formally opened an anti-terrorism investigation. “We have opened an inquiry as the suspect boarded the train in Brussels,” Eric van der Sypt, a spokesman for the prosecutor’s office, said.

The shooting happened just before 6pm in the last carriage of the train, which was carrying 554 passengers. The man had several weapons in his luggage, including a Kalashnikov, an automatic pistol and razor blades.
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Two of the Americans were in the military, their travelling companion and childhood friend Anthony Sadler, a senior at Sacramento State University, said.

The one injured was named as air force serviceman Spencer Stone from Sacramento, California. The other was Alek Skarlatos, of Roseburg, Oregon.

“We heard a gunshot and we heard glass breaking behind us and saw a train employee sprint past us down the aisle,” Sadler said. The trio then saw a gunman entering the carriage with an automatic rifle, he added.

“As he was cocking it to shoot it, Alek just yells: ‘Spencer, go!’ and Spencer runs down the aisle,” Sadler said. “Spencer makes first contact, he tackles the guy, Alek wrestles the gun away from him, and the gunman pulls out a box cutter and slices Spencer a few times. And the three of us beat him until he was unconscious.”

Sadler later told AFP the gunman had demanded his weapon back. He said: “He was just telling us to give back his gun. ‘Give me back my gun! Give me back my gun!’ But we just carried on beating him up and immobilised him and that was it.

“I’m just a college student. I came to see my friends for my first trip to Europe and we stop a terrorist. It’s kind of crazy.”

Skarlatos, who had recently returned from a tour of duty in Afghanistan with the national guard, told Sky News the gunman’s AK-47 had jammed and that he had not known how to fix it.

“If that guy’s weapon had been functioning properly, I don’t even want to think about how it would have went,” he said. “We just did what we had to do. You either run away or fight. We chose to fight and got lucky and didn’t die.”

Norman helped tie the gunman up while Stone helped another passenger who had been wounded in the throat and was losing blood.

“I just applaud my friends for being on point,” Sadler told Sky News. “If Alek didn’t yell ‘Go!’ and Spencer didn’t get up straight away, who knows how many people he would have shot.”
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Norman, a 62-year-old consultant who lives in France, sad he had initially ducked down in his seat when he saw the man enter the carriage carrying a gun.

“I came in at the end and I guess just helped get the guy under control at the end of it all,” he told French reporters. “We ended up by tying him up, then during the process the guy actually pulled out a cutter and starting cutting Spencer.

“He cut Spencer behind the neck, he nearly cut his thumb off too. Spencer held him and we eventually got him under control. He went unconscious, I think.”

The French actor Jean-Hugues Anglade, who appeared in the 1986 cult film Betty Blue with Beatrice Dalle, was also lightly injured in the incident. He was reportedly hurt while breaking the glass to activate the train alarm.

The suspect is believed to have boarded the train in Belgium and the shooting took place as the train was travelling through Belgian territory. The Belgian prime minister, Charles Michel, tweeted his condemnation of what he called a “terrorist attack”.

France’s interior minister, Bernard Cazeneuve, who rushed to Arras, said the US passengers “were particularly courageous and showed great bravery in very difficult circumstances”.
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“Without their sangfroid, we could have been confronted with a terrible drama,” he said. He described the incident as an act of “barbaric violence”. The French prime minister, Manuel Valls, also expressed his gratitude to the soldiers.

A White House official told reporters that Obama had been briefed on the shooting and said: “While the investigation into the attack is in its early stages, it is clear that their heroic actions may have prevented a far worse tragedy.”

The French president, François Hollande, said: “All is being done to shed light on this drama.” He had spoken to the Belgian prime minister and the two countries were cooperating on the investigation, he added.

“The passengers are safe, the situation has been brought under control,” the train operator, Thalys, said. The company is jointly owned by the national rail companies of Belgium, France and Germany.

Passengers in other carriages described on French TV how the train braked several times before pulling into Arras. Train alarms had sounded on board and passengers in other carriages had heard staff communicating with each other by loudspeaker about an ongoing incident just before the train pulled in.

The passengers were taken to a gymnasium in Arras, where several were treated for shock, French media reported. One, Patrick Arres, 51, told AFP that when the train pulled into Arras station, he saw more than 30 armed police on the tracks. “They were looking for someone. People were scared.”

Passengers arrived early on Saturday at Paris’s Gare du Nord station, where they were greeted by a large group of staff from SNCF, the French national rail company, with water, meals and help finding hotels and taxis.

France remains on high alert after January’s terrorist attacks on the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo and a kosher supermarket in Paris, in which gunmen killed 17 people. In May last year, four people, including two Israeli tourists, were killed when a French gunman opened fire at the Jewish museum in Brussels.


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Saturday, August 22, 2015 6:07 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


And they didn't 'need' guns to deal with a gunman - unlike the right whinge's wet-dream of needing the heroic 'good man with a gun' western-cowboy cartoon character to stop violence.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Saturday, August 22, 2015 9:16 PM

ELVISCHRIST


How many guns did they have when they stopped the guy?


They had to have guns, right? No way can someone stop an armed gunman without having a gun themselves, or twenty thousand. Right?

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Sunday, August 23, 2015 2:34 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Kudos for those brave men. 2 were soldiers, one student - all Americans, and one that I believe was British, an elderly gentleman who said something rather revealing.

He said that he'd rather do something than sit there hoping not to get shot.
They tackled the gunman and subdued him, all without a gun.

Bravo Guys! Hats off to you!


SGG


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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Brave guys. Military training paid off.

Quote:



A heavily armed gunman has opened fire on a high-speed train travelling from Amsterdam to Paris before being overpowered by three US citizens, two of whom were soldiers.

Two people were injured in the attack, including one of the Americans, who was admitted to hospital with serious injuries to his hand that needed surgery.

Barack Obama described the men as heroic following the attack on Friday.
Anthony Sadler, Alek Skarlatos and Briton Chris Norman after the attack on

A British passenger, Chris Norman, helped the Americans tie up the suspect, and French anti-terrorist police are now questioning him. He was arrested after the train made an emergency stop at Arras, near the French-Belgian border.

The suspect’s motive was not immediately known, but French prosecutors said counter-terrorism investigators were launching an inquiry. According to early briefings, the gunman, 26, was known to French intelligence services and was Moroccan or of Moroccan origin.

Belgian prosecutors said on Saturday they had formally opened an anti-terrorism investigation. “We have opened an inquiry as the suspect boarded the train in Brussels,” Eric van der Sypt, a spokesman for the prosecutor’s office, said.

The shooting happened just before 6pm in the last carriage of the train, which was carrying 554 passengers. The man had several weapons in his luggage, including a Kalashnikov, an automatic pistol and razor blades.
French train attack: 'click-click-click' then 15 seconds of terror on Paris express
Read more

Two of the Americans were in the military, their travelling companion and childhood friend Anthony Sadler, a senior at Sacramento State University, said.

The one injured was named as air force serviceman Spencer Stone from Sacramento, California. The other was Alek Skarlatos, of Roseburg, Oregon.

“We heard a gunshot and we heard glass breaking behind us and saw a train employee sprint past us down the aisle,” Sadler said. The trio then saw a gunman entering the carriage with an automatic rifle, he added.

“As he was cocking it to shoot it, Alek just yells: ‘Spencer, go!’ and Spencer runs down the aisle,” Sadler said. “Spencer makes first contact, he tackles the guy, Alek wrestles the gun away from him, and the gunman pulls out a box cutter and slices Spencer a few times. And the three of us beat him until he was unconscious.”

Sadler later told AFP the gunman had demanded his weapon back. He said: “He was just telling us to give back his gun. ‘Give me back my gun! Give me back my gun!’ But we just carried on beating him up and immobilised him and that was it.

“I’m just a college student. I came to see my friends for my first trip to Europe and we stop a terrorist. It’s kind of crazy.”

Skarlatos, who had recently returned from a tour of duty in Afghanistan with the national guard, told Sky News the gunman’s AK-47 had jammed and that he had not known how to fix it.

“If that guy’s weapon had been functioning properly, I don’t even want to think about how it would have went,” he said. “We just did what we had to do. You either run away or fight. We chose to fight and got lucky and didn’t die.”

Norman helped tie the gunman up while Stone helped another passenger who had been wounded in the throat and was losing blood.

“I just applaud my friends for being on point,” Sadler told Sky News. “If Alek didn’t yell ‘Go!’ and Spencer didn’t get up straight away, who knows how many people he would have shot.”
Advertisement

Norman, a 62-year-old consultant who lives in France, sad he had initially ducked down in his seat when he saw the man enter the carriage carrying a gun.

“I came in at the end and I guess just helped get the guy under control at the end of it all,” he told French reporters. “We ended up by tying him up, then during the process the guy actually pulled out a cutter and starting cutting Spencer.

“He cut Spencer behind the neck, he nearly cut his thumb off too. Spencer held him and we eventually got him under control. He went unconscious, I think.”

The French actor Jean-Hugues Anglade, who appeared in the 1986 cult film Betty Blue with Beatrice Dalle, was also lightly injured in the incident. He was reportedly hurt while breaking the glass to activate the train alarm.

The suspect is believed to have boarded the train in Belgium and the shooting took place as the train was travelling through Belgian territory. The Belgian prime minister, Charles Michel, tweeted his condemnation of what he called a “terrorist attack”.

France’s interior minister, Bernard Cazeneuve, who rushed to Arras, said the US passengers “were particularly courageous and showed great bravery in very difficult circumstances”.
Advertisement

“Without their sangfroid, we could have been confronted with a terrible drama,” he said. He described the incident as an act of “barbaric violence”. The French prime minister, Manuel Valls, also expressed his gratitude to the soldiers.

A White House official told reporters that Obama had been briefed on the shooting and said: “While the investigation into the attack is in its early stages, it is clear that their heroic actions may have prevented a far worse tragedy.”

The French president, François Hollande, said: “All is being done to shed light on this drama.” He had spoken to the Belgian prime minister and the two countries were cooperating on the investigation, he added.

“The passengers are safe, the situation has been brought under control,” the train operator, Thalys, said. The company is jointly owned by the national rail companies of Belgium, France and Germany.

Passengers in other carriages described on French TV how the train braked several times before pulling into Arras. Train alarms had sounded on board and passengers in other carriages had heard staff communicating with each other by loudspeaker about an ongoing incident just before the train pulled in.

The passengers were taken to a gymnasium in Arras, where several were treated for shock, French media reported. One, Patrick Arres, 51, told AFP that when the train pulled into Arras station, he saw more than 30 armed police on the tracks. “They were looking for someone. People were scared.”

Passengers arrived early on Saturday at Paris’s Gare du Nord station, where they were greeted by a large group of staff from SNCF, the French national rail company, with water, meals and help finding hotels and taxis.

France remains on high alert after January’s terrorist attacks on the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo and a kosher supermarket in Paris, in which gunmen killed 17 people. In May last year, four people, including two Israeli tourists, were killed when a French gunman opened fire at the Jewish museum in Brussels.


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Sunday, August 23, 2015 9:17 AM

ELVISCHRIST


Impossible! The NRA says that this couldn't happen. These guys had to have guns - thousands of them.

I saw a picture of one of the guys leaving the hospital and waving. Again, not possible. It had to have been photoshopped to remove the gun he was obviously waving in the air prior to shooting a bunch of bullets into the air to celebrate America!

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Monday, August 24, 2015 4:26 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I see you have used the Secret Weapon - SARCASM!!!

I love it!!!!

"Ha, ha" he cackled, as he carved a Z into the wall of the Alcalde. He doffed his sombrero, revealing a black kerchief about his face with holes where his dark eyes could see. The Alcalde, cowering behind his huge wooden desk, whispered his name, "Zorro" as though the ghost of the Devil himself had him by the throat.

He bowed gracefully to the Alcalde. "That, Don Esteban, is so you won't forget my little visit."

And with that he turned on his heels and without a single sound he disappeared into the night, his cape twirling in the night sky as if waving goodbye to the petrified Alcalde.


SGG


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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Impossible! The NRA says that this couldn't happen. These guys had to have guns - thousands of them.

I saw a picture of one of the guys leaving the hospital and waving. Again, not possible. It had to have been photoshopped to remove the gun he was obviously waving in the air prior to shooting a bunch of bullets into the air to celebrate America!


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