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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria

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Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:08 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


It's not even 8PM CST, Cunts.

WTF are you?





NO respect for mindless and subservient Cunts, at least not now!




If CUNT isn't for you, watch 7 minutes of Deadwood saying Cocksuker if that is more aligned with your sensibilites.



Love me or Hate me, I will kill you for coming at me or even my neighborhood if I'm not passed out.


I had to buy new rat traps last night.

I thought it was raining last night when I woke up to "noise" in one of my basement walls.

I'm actually FULL of empathy, especially for animals, as some of you who know me for long know will agree.



What a Cocksucker.....



I hate doing it.

I actually have seen some MASSIVE Wolf Spiders in my basement that would not be "agreeable" at all if I were married....

I kind of like watching them hunt, TBH....

This last one I saw was scary as fuck. Over 2" big.

He stamped out in the middle of a room in my basement, and for that night, that was his hunting ground.

I figured, if He got that big and bold, how many lesser Cunts has he fed off of?




Understand that about me.

I let 2-3 Inch Wolf Spiders live side-to-side with me in my PAID house....

They don't bother me.

I'm not immune to "scary" bugs though....

Millipedes and Centepedes and "Ear Wigs" are horrifying to me.



I don't need the Orkin Man.

That 3 inch Wolf Spider takes care of all of them, including the Web-Making spiders.


I don't know the actual life expectancy of a Wolf Spider, and any rare time I saw a badass one it was likely a kid of a kid or whatever....

But until I finish my entire house and pay for a yearly Orkin Man, all I can say for sure is that as far as "Incects" go, The Wolf Spider is It....


And/Or, if there were ever an insect that someday became "Sentient" and demanded Fealty, the Wolf Spider would be it.

They are your live in maids for free.



But holy fuck they're about to die if your Wife wakes up and sees what they do "behind closed doors"


They are scary as fuck looking, especially when huge, but they have very little venom that coud hurt US, even though they never bother to make a WEB and camp out in the middle of a room and decend on their prey like Lone Wolves...

They're actually "Fearless" or they just don't give a fuck about anything. I know because I spent countless miutes-to-hours harassing them, without hitting them.


Unless you're going to "trap and release" a Wolf Spider, don't bother being kind if your final move was to squash it.

You could beat on the basement tiles .001" from Him or Her and they wont budge.




They rarely scope out a "Human Place".

The very rare times they do, at least in my experience, is because they are HUGE...


Sometimes I used to "play" with them, and alhthough i ne3ver paid anyonem I self-removed them, but these days I stay out of it...



Maybe I'm crazy?

I'm not a Cat Lady and I throw shit out...


The ABSOLUTE BEST of the crafty Kats would be lucky to have me.


Who kows?

I'm a Dog person, but I don't commit to it.


I have very much loved several cats in my past.




You didn't need the Orkin Man last week, but you do now.

You either smashed the fuck out of that Wof Spidler at HER behest, or you caught it and set it free.

Proove your a Man!!!!

Kill the Alpha Wolf Spiders and sit back and watch while She wonders why there are a half a million more bugs she needs to Pay to Kill that she didn't have to last week....

We Came, We Saw, He Died! HAHAHA




It's a trade-off....


We're not best friends, but at least he's not a Hillary Cunt


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:50 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I'm glad that you said something KPO...


Even if I had to actively reach over 7 pages of bullshit to talk to you.



I am not the "baromeer" of any side you should subscribe too.

That doesn't mean that I should be ignored, especialy since I called this election over 2 years ago and never wavered.



It's not racist.


3 year old kids Loved Trump and hated Hilary.





Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, November 18, 2016 5:01 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Fear in Aleppo as Assad and Russia launch most intense bombing yet:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38007980


"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521


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Saturday, November 19, 2016 10:38 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


More "pro-terrorist media":

Medecins Sans Frontieres, international aid organisation on Assad and Putin's latest bombing campaign in east Aleppo:
Quote:

Syria: Multiple direct and indirect hits on hospitals in east Aleppo in the last 48 hours

The only specialised paediatric hospital in besieged east Aleppo has come under attack for the second time since airstrikes resumed on 15 November, destroying three floors and leaving it out of service. Three other hospitals have also taken direct hits, resulting in casualties among staff and patients and leaving two key surgical hospitals and the largest general hospital out of service.

“This is a dark day for east Aleppo. The severity of the bombing has inflicted huge damage on the few hospitals working around the clock to provide medical care,” says Teresa Sancristoval, Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) emergency coordinator. “The attacks have destroyed entire hospitals, electric generators, emergency rooms and wards, forcing them to stop all medical activities. It is not only MSF that condemns indiscriminate attacks on civilians or civilian infrastructure, including hospitals, but also humanitarian law. The message is simple and I don´t know how to say it any louder: stop bombing hospitals.”

“The children’s hospital has sustained damage for a second time from airstrikes,” says Luis Montial, MSF deputy head of mission for Syria. “This is the only hospital exclusively for children in the besieged area and it is now out of action. The consequences of indiscriminate bombing are very clear: more lives lost, medical services depleted and insurmountable suffering for people trapped by the siege. What is not clear is how much longer the health system, already on its knees, can carry on functioning unless the bombing stops and medical supplies are allowed in.”

East Aleppo’s hospitals have been hit by bombs in more than 30 separate attacks since the siege started in July. All of east Aleppo’s hospitals are supported by MSF, among other organisations.



http://www.msf.org/en/article/syria-multiple-direct-and-indirect-hits-
hospitals-east-aleppo-last-48-hours



"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521


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Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:11 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Multiple direct and indirect hits on hospitals in east Aleppo in the last 48 hours

The only specialised paediatric hospital in besieged east Aleppo has come under attack for the second time since airstrikes resumed on 15 November, destroying three floors and leaving it out of service. Three other hospitals have also taken direct hits, resulting in casualties among staff and patients and leaving two key surgical hospitals and the largest general hospital out of service.

I thought - according to other western sources - there were no more functioning hospitals in east Aleppo?

How many times can one "destroy" a hospital? Quite a few, apparently. These must be "zombie" hospitals!




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Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:30 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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I thought - according to other western sources - there were no more functioning hospitals in east Aleppo?

I've already explained this to you, and it's not rocket science. Assad and Putin bomb the hospitals, the people rebuild them to get them back into working order (what choice do they have?). Assad and Putin bomb them again.

The World Health Organisation (another terrorist mouthpiece) also describe the bombings:

Quote:

Some of the heaviest bombardment so far on Aleppo has left rebel-held parts of the Syrian city virtually without medical facilities, observers say.

The World Health Organization says all makeshift hospitals there are out of service, after five days of air and artillery strikes by government forces.

...

Medics have in the past been able to bring field hospitals back into operation after strikes, but the lack of supplies is now so severe that this is becoming harder, Reuters news agency reports.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38039282

Don't let these blatant war crimes stop your cheerleading for Assad and Putin though Siggy.




"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521


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Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:03 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


And don't let me stop YOU from cheerleading for terrorists, KRAPO.

It's not Assad or the Russians who are keeping people inside of eastern Aleppo, KRAPO. It's the terrorists, whom I have quoted here, doing that all on their own. It's not Assad or Russia preventing aid from entering Aleppo, it's the terrorists ("neighborhood councils", "White Helmets", and the various factions of al Qaida/al Nusra and other Sunni extremists), whom I have quoted here, doing that all on their own.

Now, there is a city which is kettled by the terrorists, and they are in essence holding civilians hostage. When Israel bombs schools in Gaza to get at Hamas, you're all for it. Israel doesn't negotiate with terrorists. And the USA policy is that "we don't negotiate with terrorists" either. Should Assad?

So first of all, I take news from east Aleppo with a HUGE dose of salt. Given that the extremists are adamant about not allowing the remaining populace (which is probably 30,000, not 250,000) access to the internet, every piece of information coming our way is heavily filtered thru the extremists. False accusations, false flags, staged events made for video are part of the information war. It costs them NOTHING to accuse Assad and Russia of everything, and many of the accusations have turned out to be clearly false. Stop being so gullible.

In this particular case, the "news" that you reported IS WRONG IN THE MOST BASIC INFORMATION, and I will let you figure out what is wrong with it.





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Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:32 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Scrolling up, KRAPO, I see that you cite one of the most deeply flawed "reporting" networks, SNHR, as a source of "who killed whom".

SNHR is fundamentally a western intelligence mouthpiece, a 2-man operation with no ties to on-the-ground Syrians, and no better than the SOHR (a one-man band funded by George Soros with equal lack of on-the-ground Syrian contacts).

SNHR's casualty numbers are, in a word, "incredible". But don't take my word for it, here is someone who has looked at their methodology closely

Quote:

The Syrian Network for Human Rights (not to be confused with SOHR) is one of the most cited and prominient organizations documenting SCW casualties and human rights violations. Sadly, "cited and prominient" doesn't mean "credible".

SNHR has published their methodology on how they document deaths. This methodology is, in my opinion, deeply flawed and here I will explain why.

Methodology

Well, here is their methodology. It consists of three steps. At the first step, they gather reports from activists on the ground. At the second, their documentation team checks that reports are not repeated and match related news. If I understood them correctly, they try to get at least two reports for each death. The third step is just filing into database. There is a fourth step, but it's just a part of the third.

I'm sure you all see the main problem with this methodology: there is no verification. They get a report or two saying that "this civilian man died to a barrel bomb", and they file him as a civilian victim of government. Even if he was a victim of Ahrar vs YPG clash and died to grenade misfire while trying to blast some Kurds, for example.

Another obvious problem is an activist distribution. Some areas have higher reporting activity, some lower. As their activists are mainly in rebel-held areas (well, most likely. SNHR gives no info on activists distribution at all, a sin to the sacred art of statistics), the bias follows.

SNHR flat out refuses to accept any information from government or state media. While not entirely unjustified, this is still cherry picking as they have no reason to not file someone just because he was reported by SANA instead of their activists. If SANA presents name and photos just as their activists do (well, they present a reason not to, but it was just one mistake and one mistake is not a good reason to exclude the whole group of sources entirely).

Strange numbers
03.11 - 10.15:
"Civilians killed by regime: 180879, children killed by regime: 18851
SNHR explicitly states that women and children casualty rate indicates deliberate targeting civilians. But here we see that ~10% of civilians casualties are children. They don't state women rate, but going by their other reports, it's even lower. So it's 20% women and children at max.

[For a comparison to non-Syrian casualties ...] According to Iraq Body Count, women and children accounted for almost 20% of all civilian deaths in 2003-2005. This report doesn't say what was women and children casualty rate of US forces strikes, but it does say that "children were disproportionately affected by all explosive devices but most severely by air strikes and unexploded ordnance (including cluster bomblets)", so I assume that it was about the same. ... by using SNHR methodology, US forces "deliberately targeted civilians", which is, most likely, not true. Also, in pre-war Syria, women and children contributed to about 65% of population - just another fact to think about.

Death under torture by: ISIS - 22, Rebels - 15, Nusra - 12
Really? They are Daesh, al-Quaeda and a bunch of groups including JaI and AaS.
November 2015:
RuAF: 259 civilians, 7 gunmen
Coalition AF: 13 civilians, 0 gunmen
Kurdish Self Management Forces (YPG?): 17 civilians, 0 gunmen

SNHR isn't even trying, is it?

Presentation
SNHR often presents percentages of people killed by different groups. While impressive, that's the only thing good about these percentages: statistically, they are meaningless. The side that fights more and for a longer period of time kills more on the average, so to measure "ruthlessness" one have to weight numbers before arranging figures. I can think of a few ways to weight them. One, for example, is to measure civilians killed per fighter killed (interestingly, by using this method, the government forces are the most "good". It doesn't mean anything, of course, as the SNHR numbers themselves are too flawed).

Miscellaneous notes
Notable that United Nations had adopted on SNHR as primary source in all the statistics of analyzing Syrian conflict's victims.

Actually, according to this article, UN stopped using them as a source at all, as UN has stopped updating the death toll from Syrian civil war. It says it can no longer verify the sources of information.

SNHR isn't involved with any political activity
And yet in every report they have a "Recommendations to Security Council" part, and they write this part on their own accord. If that's not political activity, I don't know what is.

As English is my second language, I probably made a lot of grammar mistakes and, more importantly, used incorrect terms. Please feel free to correct me, both on those and if you see a real mistake. This post is subject to updates.


https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/3v6blv/the_snhr_and_i
ts_methodology
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Tuesday, November 22, 2016 2:55 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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It's not Assad or the Russians who are keeping people inside of eastern Aleppo, KRAPO. It's the terrorists, whom I have quoted here, doing that all on their own.

Interesting that a small % of Al-Qaeda-linked militants fighting alongside the rebels makes the rebels "terrorists". Assad of course has thousands of Hezbollah terrorists fighting for him on his side (see the starvation siege of Madaya, amongst other war crimes), so I suppose Assad and Putin's forces are terrorists too? *COUGH* hypocrite *COUGH*

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So first of all, I take news from east Aleppo with a HUGE dose of salt.

Even when it comes from charities and aid organisations with a presence on the ground there? Yep I know. You prefer to listen to pro-Russia, anti-US, 9-11 truther bloggers writing from thousands of miles away.


"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521


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Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:05 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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But don't take my word for it, here is someone who has looked at their methodology closely

A Russian reddit commenter? LOL. (Don't feel bad for posting the link, I would've googled and found it if you hadn't)

The SNHR is a partner organisation of the UN. Without bothering to read your Russian reddit commenter, I think I will trust the UN's judgement over his.

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the SOHR (a one-man band funded by George Soros with equal lack of on-the-ground Syrian contacts).

Here's a profile of the SOHR and the man behind it from back in 2013 - http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/10/world/middleeast/the-man-behind-the-
casualty-figures-in-syria.html


It says that the organisation has more than 230 activists on the ground reporting back. Now we (or the adults in the room at least) could have a sensible discussion about how much credibility to give to activist groups like the SOHR, SNHR, RSS etc. documenting and reporting atrocities in active warzones, largely in the absence of any kind of international media. The Russian and Syrian governments, and their advocates such as yourself, think we should dismiss these organisations completely. But they are the ones committing all the war crimes so they would say that...

Anyway. You made specific claims about the SOHR, some of which are directly contradicted by what the NYT reports. Can you back up those claims via a reputable source (not one of your pro-Russia blogs)?



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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521


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Wednesday, November 23, 2016 3:35 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Aaaaand ... you're quoting the NYT. The one that had to write a mea culpa for crappy reporting not two weeks ago.

You're both too stupid to be believed.





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Wednesday, November 23, 2016 3:08 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Aaaaand ... you're quoting the NYT. The one that had to write a mea culpa for crappy reporting not two weeks ago.

You're both too stupid to be believed.





SIG, you are chastising others for using the New York Times as a source? That's precious coming from someone whos favorite source is zerohedge where they post anonymously. Are you really so stupid as to believe, that those who follow these threads give you any credibility on the issue of sourcing? You, the queen of FAKE NEWS?
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Thursday, November 24, 2016 2:02 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Save the Children, another terrorist mouthpiece according to Siggy, speaks out against the bombing of hospitals in east Aleppo:

http://www.savethechildren.org.uk/2016-11/syrian-hospitals-be-fortifie
d-last-children%E2%80%99s-facility-east-aleppo-bombed


Quote:

...

Sonia Khush, Syria Director for Save the Children said, “It was barely possible to imagine that the situation in Aleppo could become any worse, and yet the scenes we have seen over the weekend have been truly horrifying: Packed emergency rooms, children who appear to have inhaled chlorine gas struggling to breathe, confused and separated from their families, premature babies being rescued from damaged incubators and taken into smoke filled rooms as hospitals come under attack. Ambulances and mobile health units will do what they can to treat people when they are not being targeted themselves, but these only have room for a few patients and not nearly enough equipment to treat the range of injuries they are seeing.”

...




"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521


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Thursday, November 24, 2016 2:09 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Aaaaand ... you're quoting the NYT. The one that had to write a mea culpa for crappy reporting not two weeks ago.

You're both too stupid to be believed.


The story of Siggy's involvement in this thread:

1. Enter thread to defend Russia and Assad against accusations of war crimes by trashing all sources of information (including the UN and international charities and aid organisations)
2. Spread the Russian state propaganda narrative
3. Get challenged to back up this narrative with credible sources
4. Throw out personal insults and flee the thread
5. Repeat



"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521


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Thursday, November 24, 2016 2:36 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


How MANY 'last hospitals' in E Aleppo are there, anyway? It seems like there's been at least a half-dozen 'last hospitals' since the first 'last hospital'. How did that happen so many times? Because, once the 'last hospital' was bombed months ago, doesn't that mean there were no more left?




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Thursday, November 24, 2016 2:51 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Dear Lord.


"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521


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Thursday, November 24, 2016 2:54 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Well, I'm sorry for you that you can't answer a relevant question about your own topic, and are reduced to making your post entirely personal. Because, to reiterate, there have been multiple 'last hospitals' destroyed in E Aleppo. And the stories are all geared, I'm sure, to stampeding people into setting their brains aside and acting on outrage. But if they're not true - and all but one, the REAL 'last hospital', MUST be fabricated propaganda - why should I believe THIS story in a crowd of lies just like it?





How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Thursday, November 24, 2016 8:36 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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Well, I'm sorry for you that you can't answer a relevant question about your own topic

Kiki I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you didn't see where I answered that question multiples times already in this thread.

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and are reduced to making your post entirely personal.

Lol, Kiki you are the queen of vitriol. You don't get to be this thin-skinned.

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Because, to reiterate, there have been multiple 'last hospitals' destroyed in E Aleppo.

What is so hard to understand about hospitals being bombed out of operation multiple times? Apparently neither you nor Signy can understand it.

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and all but one, the REAL 'last hospital', MUST be fabricated propaganda

The one complaint you can have about the media's reporting on this issue, and it's the only one, is the use of the word "destroyed" in headlines, which makes it sound, at first reading, like the destruction is total (e.g. here - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/19/aleppo-hospitals-knocked
-out-airstrikes
)

Now this article makes it very clear that the destruction of the hospitals is NOT total, i.e. they are constantly being repaired and put back into limited service (see paragraph 5) - but someone who just scans the headline might not gather that much (apparently you and Signy fall into this bracket). "Bombed out of operation" would be better than "destroyed" but hey, headline writers will often go with punchy wording, erring on the sensational, over dry preciseness. Want to rail against Western media and call it "fabricated propaganda" on the basis of headline wording, even though the rest of the article explains the situation clearly and accurately? Fine, have at it. But everyone knows that you and Siggy are just doing everything you can to stay blind to the gross atrocities Putin and Assad are committing - killing innocent men, women and children in the most barbaric and despicable ways, right in front of the world's eyes.


"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521


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Thursday, November 24, 2016 8:39 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Some video footage of bombed Aleppo hospitals plus interviews with doctors:

Horrific account inside bombed Aleppo hospital -
http://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2016/11/21/aleppo-hospital-bombed-
sfc-orig.cnn


Surgeon says life in Aleppo 'like a holocaust' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38069849



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Friday, November 25, 2016 8:31 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

The one complaint you can have about the media's reporting on this issue, and it's the only one, is the use of the word "destroyed" in headlines, which makes it sound, at first reading, like the destruction is total (e.g. here - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/19/aleppo-hospitals-knocked
-out-airstrikes
)

Now this article makes it very clear that the destruction of the hospitals is NOT total, i.e. they are constantly being repaired and put back into limited service (see paragraph 5) - but someone who just scans the headline might not gather that much (apparently you and Signy fall into this bracket).= KRAPO "Bombed out of operation" would be better than "destroyed" but hey, headline writers will often go with punchy wording, erring on the sensational, over dry preciseness. Want to rail against Western media and call it "fabricated propaganda" on the basis of headline wording, even though the rest of the article explains the situation clearly and accurately? Fine, have at it. But everyone knows that you and Siggy are just doing everything you can to stay blind to the gross atrocities Putin and Assad are committing - killing innocent men, women and children in the most barbaric and despicable ways, right in front of the world's eyes.


Well, then KRAPO, here's the problem: A large modern hospital can't be "destroyed" by one or two missiles or bombs. It would take multiple bombing runs .... the kind where the plane(s) turn around and strike again and again.

Yanno, kind of like the 1- hour bombing runs that the USA made over Syrian troops

Quote:

Washington claimed that this airstrike was a “mistake” and that it was somehow meant to target ISIS near the eastern city of Deir el-Zour in Syria. It was a sustained attack that lasted for 1 hour, featuring repeated bombing runs by US, UK, Australian and Danish aircraft.

or when the USA destroyed the MSF hospital in Kunduz over the course of ONE HOUR

Quote:

Médecins Sans Frontières reported that between 02:08 and 03:15 local time on the night of 3 October, the organization's Kunduz hospital was struck by "a series of aerial bombing raids". The humanitarian organization said the hospital was "hit several times" in the course of the attack, and that the building was "partially destroyed". It further said the hospital had been "repeatedly & precisely hit" and that the attack had continued for 30 minutes after MSF staff contacted U.S. and Afghan officials during the strike.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike

WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT?
Because a single missile strike, or even two, indicates that the real target was elsewhere ... possibly even across the street. It indicates an off-target missile, more than anything.

And THAT indicates that the hospitals are not being DELIBERATELY targeted, and there goes your "war crimes" concept. And EVEN WHEN hospitals are deliberately targeted and destroyed, such as in Kunduz (which killed 42 people, BTW, not two or three) it has been argued by the USA that the targeting, although deliberate, was a mistake, and therefore not a war crime.

But you, KRAPO, continue to suck up and disgorge propaganda here, like the troll that you are. It is a COMMON form of propaganda to use inflammatory headlines, and to put biased information in the first few paragraphs of a story, and place countervailing information near the end, where almost nobody reads. You trying to say that it isn't propaganda is just plain lunacy.

As far as MSF claims about it's hospitals in east Aleppo, I looked through their past claims about Syria and UP UNTIL that story there was no indication at all that they ran or even supported ANY hospitals in east Aleppo. So I can only question the accuracy of that particular statement, and the bias of the organization that would claim retrospective affiliation.

BTW, some of your videos don't play in my PC.

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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

YEP, that's you! The UK's globalist-supported ever-faithful propagandist. Keep up the good work!




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Friday, November 25, 2016 8:37 AM

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Aaaaand ... you're quoting Russian media. You're both too stupid to be believed.- KRAPO

The story of KRAPO;s involvement in this thread:

1. Enter thread to defend the West against accusations of war crimes by trashing all sources of information (including multiple foreign governments and on-the-ground reports)
2. Spread the Western state propaganda narrative
3. Get challenged to back up this narrative with credible sources
4. Throw out personal insults and flee the thread
5. Repeat
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Fixed it for you. And it you want to see KRAPO'S propaganda taken apart, just look one thread up.



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Friday, November 25, 2016 9:06 AM

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GSTRING, thank you for your contribution to the pro-terrorist propaganda stream.

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I do agree that it is one of the world's greatest problems not being able to have exact counts for dead people in an active war zone ....
Who the hell is talking about "exact counts"? SNHR is not only wrong, they're off by a hundreds of thousands of deaths, and deliberately so. In fact, it's the same "mistake" that pollsters here made about the election, only far far worse: By not taking ANY information at all from the government and by not even TRYING to validate their data, SNHR is providing extremely one-sided data, in which ALL of the deaths are attributed to "the regime" and the terrorists get off scot-free. And you're just all too happy to suck it up and defend it.

You calling your post a joke is showing profound disrespect for the hundreds of thousands of unacknowledged dead. It's like me calling a whole group of people n!ggers and expecting them to laugh. You're a big juicy asshole, something I've been noticing for a long time.

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Sorry, Trump propaganda outlets saying he would win just don't count= GSTRING
Except that these altright outlets showed HOW the MSM was wrong, especially in the "oversampling" aspect of the polls. Anyone who is at all interested in the truth - NOT YOU, APPARENTLY- would understand that consistently "oversampling" in one direction is BOUND to generate false numbers. And the pollsters knowing that they were oversampling" and making no attempt to correct their "mistake", and the MSM knowing that the pollsters were continuously introducing bias in their data and STILL presenting it as if it were truth .... It would take someone deliberately trying to manipulate the public .... not that our MSM is EVER trying to push a false narrative, heck no! .... to keep on doing that. And it would take an idiot, of which we seem to have several here on the board, to believe it. And it would take an asshole, of which we seem to have several here on the board, to defend it.

AND THEN YOU DOUBLE DOWN ON STUPID AND ASSHOLE

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WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT?[that one or two strikes on a hospital indicates that hospitals are no being deliberately targeted - SIGNY]

So, that's how they're killing so many civilians! Check!= GSTRING



ACCORDING TO WHOM? SNHR? Even THEIR numbers, as biased as they are, indicate that civilians are not being deliberately targeted. How can I say that? Because the number of women and children .... which BTW make up 65% of the population.... represent 20% or less of the deaths.

Yes, it is tragic that civilians die in war. It is especially tragic that the so-called FSA is holding these civilians against their will, as hostages (ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN STATEMENTS). Your buddies, the FSA, and the many-times-renamed al Qaida in Syria, and ISIL ... who are deliberately preventing aid from reaching civilians, and preventing civilian escape .... don't deserve your loyalty.

Why you propagandize on behalf of terrorists in beyond me.



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Saturday, November 26, 2016 11:05 AM

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And now for some real news about Syria:

The fighting forces of the Syrian government and its allies are engaged in neighborhood-to-neighborhood on-the-ground fighting, and are advancing on a number of points encircling terrorist-controlled east Aleppo:

You can see the presence of ISIL in the index-finger salute and the occasional ISIL black flag in the background, which can be distinguished from the al Qaeda black flag in that the ISIL black flag has a simplified script and a large white circle with black script inside, while the al Qaeda black flag is very "fancy" script and no white circle:
ISIL FLAG



The many-times renamed and splintered al Qaeda in Syria is also present, under such names as the (Saudi-backed) Ahrar al-Sham and Jabhat Fateh al-Sham (formerly al Nusra, formerly al Qaeda in Syria), AL QAEDA FLAG ("There is no god but Allah")


and the nearly-defunct Free Syrian Army
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The US IBT considered the emergence of ISIL in 2014 as the beginning of the end for groups like FSA which the US had dubbed “moderate rebels”. The SMC, the formal FSA command structure, slowly disintegrated within Aleppo Governorate from a lack of sources over the course of 2014. ... Abu Yusaf, a high-level commander of Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), said in August 2014 that many of the FSA members who had been trained by United States’ and Turkish and Arab military officers were now actually joining ISIL. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Syrian_Army

which is tactically indistinguishable from al Qaeda and ISIL in Aleppo.

The Syrian Arab Army and its allies are slowly taking ground from al Qaeda and ISIL in house-to-house fighting. What was once in "rebel" hands ... Tell (Hill) Zuhur, Hanano neighborhood, the Military Academy and the Citadel, is now in government control. Because the fighting is in a densely-developed part of the city, it will be slow. Eastern Aleppo is taking a pounding, but it appears to be mostly artillery. I imagine that at some point, airstrikes and artillery will be ineffective because of the possibility of "friendly fire", and the fighting will devolve to tanks and small-arms fire. This stage can't come too soon, as airstrikes and artillery, no matter how well-targeted, are still inaccurate weapons. There are still four humanitarian corridors marked on the map for fleeing civilians, but people are being prevented from using them.

Congress passed the Caesar Syria Civilian Protection Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar_Syria_Civilian_Protection_Act which is still(!) pushing for a no-fly zone.

Egypt is sending some of its pilots and Generals to support Assad: Now that the tide seems to have turned, it looks like various allied and potentially-allied governments are sending their troops in, mostly (I believe) for training and combat experience, not for real fighting.

Meanwhile the White Helmets (who call themselves the Syrian Civil Defense group, as opposed to the REAL Syrian Civil defense group) stepped into a pile of PR dogshit when it tweeted out the Mannequin Challenge video, which portrayed a very-realistic-looking "rescue" of a man supposedly trapped in rubble from a barrel-bomb. Too bad it was all fake. The "dust" on the man is flour. I have wondered why some of the "victims" in previous stills have had such white dust on them, maybe this is the reason.


Quote:

Syria's White Helmets apologize for Mannequin Challenge video
...The nearly one-minute long video has been the subject of criticism on social media. On Wednesday Syria Civil Defence released a statement calling it an "error of judgment".
"This video and the related posts were recorded by RFS media with Syria Civil Defence volunteers, who hoped to create a connection between the horror of Syria and the outside world using the viral 'Mannequin challenge.' This was an error of judgment, and we apologize on behalf of the volunteers involved," the statement read. http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/24/middleeast/mannequin-challenge-white-hel
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Again SIG makes the point everyone in Syria is a terrorist, even the children. There's no talking with someone void of empathy and full of shit.

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Again SIG makes the point everyone in Syria is a terrorist, even the children. There's no talking with someone void of empathy and full of shit. = DOUCHBAG


I believe I made the point that they were hostages. As I recall, I said it was tragic.

So OOC, why did you wind up supporting terrorists, THUGR?

I'll tell you why: It's because your moral compass is broken. You judge what is done or said by WHO is doing or saying something, not WHAT they're doing or saying. That primary motivation, which requires that you ALWAYS be the good guy ... or at least feel like you're the good guy ... biases everything you read, see, hear, think, and (especially) everything you feel. Anything that violates that directive of you feeling like "the good guy" must be stamped out, expunged as soon as possible, even if it means killing people in order to do it.

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Sunday, November 27, 2016 1:04 PM

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East Aleppo pocket nearly cut in two, al Qaida groups strategically withdrawing from the northern pocket.

"Regime" atrocities in East Aleppo: dead chickens and mannequins

https://southfront.org/fresh-militant-propaganda-claims-civilian-casua
lties-from-russia-assad-airstrikes-shows-mannequins-video
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Monday, November 28, 2016 9:08 AM

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The northern portion of east Aleppo is liberated! That latest (unconfirmed) reports say that the last remaining holdout neighborhood - Sheikh Khizir - is surrounded, and that the terrorists are withdrawing to the Old City, which is at the base of The Citadel.

Quote:

Local sources say that most of militants have fled to the Old Aleppo. So, the main work is to remove explosive devices and secure the area. Sheikh Khizir will be under the full control of government forces in the coming hours.

https://southfront.org/syrian-army-liberates-northern-part-of-aleppo-c
ity-delivers-devastating-blow-to-militants
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More importantly, the liberation of much of northern east Aleppo has allowed the civilian hostages to flee the fighting

Quote:

Last weekend, Syrian government forces delivered a devastating blow to the al-Nusra led militant coalition, known as Jaish al-Fatah, inside the Aleppo city. The Syrian army’s Republican Guard, the Syrian army’s Tiger Forces, the Desert Hawks Brigade, Liwa al-Quds and other pro-government groups liberated the neighborhoods of Hanano, Jabal Badro and Inzarat. They also took control of the Haidariyah Youth Housing, the Ba’ideen Roundabout and the Ba’ideen Square and Ard Hamra and seized a significant part of Al-Sakhur neighborhood.

Kurdish YPG units seized positions in Bustan Basha which had been under control of Sultan Murad militant group.

On November 28, government forces liberated Handariyah and al-Shakhur neighborhoods, encircling Sheikh Khizir.

Local sources say that militants are fleeing their defenses in northeastern Aleppo.

Government forces also attacked Nusra-linked militants in the Sheikh Lufti Neighborhood and in the Marjeh Neighborhood. The most notable gain of Syrian troops in the area is the so-called “Police Hill” (420 m) in the Marjeh Neighborhood. The Police Hill is a key hilltop in Marjeh. Controlling it, the army and its allies will be able to secure the Sheikh Lufti – Marjeh axis.

From Sheikh Lufti government forces are able to pose another threat to Jaish al-Fatah militants – to reach the Aleppo Citadel, splitting the eastern Aleppo pocket into several separated parts.

Mohamad Rafe’, military operations commander of Liwa al-Quds has been killed today during operations to liberate eastern Aleppo.

The government advance allowed thousands of civilians have fled militant-held areas of Aleppo city.

About 1,700 civilians had fled to government-held parts of western Aleppo and about 2,500
to the Kurdish-controlled area of Sheikh Maksoud since the start of the operation, according to the so-called “Syrian Observatory of Human Rights”, a pro-militant ‘non-government’ organization aimed to cover the Syrian conflict.

Syrian news sources broadcasted images of a crowd of civilians including women and children gathered around green buses that are set to pick them up in Masaken Hanano and entering western Aleppo. According to them [Syrian news sources] up to 10,000 civilians have fled from eastern Aleppo so far. Most of them took refuge in government-controlled areas.


https://southfront.org/syrian-army-liberates-northern-part-of-aleppo-c
ity-delivers-devastating-blow-to-militants
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I have heard quotes that the real civilian population on East Aleppo was something like 30,000, not the inflated figure of 250,000 that the UN and western press have kept citing. That 250,000 was the number of ORIGINAL inhabitants, but since the terrorists kept porous borders up until about 1.5 month ago, allowing residents to cross the boundary to find food and medical care, my guess is that many slipped away to "get food", never to return, and that the last inhabitants are the families of the fighters who were under stricter personal control. IF that's the case, roughly a quarter of the trapped civilian population has been freed. I guess I'll keep count of how many are estimated to have fled to other parts of Aleppo, and see if it totals up to about 30,000 as I've been led to expect.


Syria Direct a "pro-rebel" website funded by the USA, is a day or two behind the times, but is reporting the situation as of yesterday
Quote:

‘Absolute chaos’ as regime advances to within 1km of cutting east Aleppo in two

AMMAN: Pro-regime forces cut through rebel frontlines in east Aleppo city and moved within one kilometer of cutting the opposition stronghold in two on Sunday, opposition military sources told Syria Direct, amidst reports of mass civilian displacement.

I wish they had a link to that.

Quote:

The Syrian Arab Army (SAA) and its allied militias advanced to the west from their territory east of Aleppo city on Saturday to capture the Masaken Hanano district. On Sunday, Syrian state media reported that government forces advanced further, capturing the adjacent Jabal Badro district immediately south.

At time of publication on Sunday, fierce clashes between rebel and regime forces were underway in the strategic, opposition-held a-Sakhour district adjoining Masaken Hanano and Jabal Badro to the west.

If the regime captures a-Sakhour, loyalist forces will control a critical bottleneck, isolating approximately 20 percent of opposition-held east Aleppo city from the remainder of rebel territory.




Civilians leaving liberated Aleppo
https://twitter.com/C_Military1/status/803243487219122176

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Monday, November 28, 2016 11:43 AM

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Well, yes you are. The REALITY is, GSTRING, that Syria is full of USA- and NATO-enabled Saudi and Qatari-funded terrorists from everywhere from Tunisia to Chechnya to Afghanistan. They are proxy fighters for the Gulf States' geopolitical goal of eliminating YET ANOTHER secular government and leaving jihadist-filled smoking ruins in their wake. And it's not like I'm speculating in thin air about this, it HAS happened before, more than once.

And just like you were taken in by the propaganda about Qaddafi, you're taken in by the propaganda about Assad. Those civilian deaths that you so firmly "believe" were ALL caused by Assad ... based on numbers pulled out of thin air by SNHR? All of those "brave rebels fighting for freedom" ... who have in reality folded themselves into the extremist forces? Those phantasms form the basis of your delusion.

You and THGUR are both paranoid, and you both have your paranoid delusions. THUGR for example, firmly believes that I'm a Russian, living in Russia. That I was oh so cleverly insinuated on this low-traffic board 13 year ago, to influence 10 people's thoughts about Russia - when Russia wasn't even in the crosshairs of western propaganda!

I think he imagines me with a playbook next to my PC, filled with American phrases that might actually sound like a well-educated but somewhat elderly lady, and my "history" book which reminds me of what I'm supposed to say about myself!

The reality is that I was born near Buffalo NY in the mid 1950s, am female, moved to the LA area in approx 1980, and work in a government regulatory lab with a very diverse international staff including Taiwanese, Syrians, Ethiopians, eastern Europeans etc. Over the years, and over many projects with many people, I've learned a lot about a lot, and I don't mind bringing it here and learning more.

Wow, so clever of those Russkies, to plant me here where I will do no good for the Motherland!



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Wow, I guess I hit about nine nerves!




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Tuesday, November 29, 2016 6:46 AM

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Another video that won't play on Signy's PC - The moment a children's hospital in east Aleppo gets bombed:



Nurses in tears as they have to pull premature babies out of incubators to take them to an underground shelter.



"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
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Tuesday, November 29, 2016 6:48 AM

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Meanwhile, I see Signy's cheerleading for Assad and Putin's assault on the city is in full flow...



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Tuesday, November 29, 2016 6:54 AM

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Quote:


Nurses in tears as they have to pull premature babies out of incubators to take them to an underground shelter.



Sorry, I should say terrorist nurses pulling terrorist premature babies out of incubators to save them from Assad and Putin's righteous bombing. Right Sig?

#PutinFangirlsForever


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Tuesday, November 29, 2016 6:58 AM

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Originally posted by kpo:
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Nurses in tears as they have to pull premature babies out of incubators to take them to an underground shelter.



Sorry, I should say terrorist nurses pulling terrorist premature babies out of incubators to save them from Assad and Putin's righteous bombing. Right Sig?

#PutinFangirlsForever


"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
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Whatever helps "Row vs Wade" supporters who have overseen the deaths of over 60 MILLION babies since the 70's.

Night Night...

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yeah...

i got a cute shirt too.

Tell your kids.



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Thursday, December 1, 2016 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by G:
I had a some time this morning - I think we should start making money off Putin:

#PutinFangirlsForever



Lol, G, I'm saving that


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Thursday, December 1, 2016 11:29 AM

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Another difficulty with the casualty figures coming from Aleppo - an inability to count the dead:

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The head of Aleppo's White Helmets branch watched last week as two women combed a body bag for signs of their loved ones. “Suddenly, the mother cried out and reached for a leg. She said he was her husband. She knew his jeans,” said Ammar al-Selma.

Then her companion recognized a watch. “All that was left of her son was his arm. We’re bringing in body parts at this stage.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/12/01/in-syrias
-aleppo-theres-no-way-of-counting-the-dead/?utm_term=.5a8965915b00



More quotes from the White Helmets (volunteer rescue organisation) in the same article:
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Crippled by shortages, even the White Helmets have to choose their rescue missions carefully — wasting too much gas to reach one blast site could rob them of the chance to save more lives at another.

When they do venture out, the rumble of warplanes can swiftly abort an operation. This weekend, Laith said he heard whimpers from the rubble as his team scrambled away.

“When you hear someone alive but reach them dead, that is the hardest part,” said Laith. Broken buildings across east Aleppo could still hide dozens of bodies, according to the local health directorate.





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Thursday, December 1, 2016 11:39 AM

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300 dead!

GOOD LORD!

For a campaign of "targeted" civilian bombing, those Russians and Syrians sure are pikers!

They have a long way to go to match the 35,000 killed in the firebombing of Dresden, or the 90,000 killed in the bombing of Hiroshima.

CLEARLY they don't know how to "target" civilians. They better up their game!

And they're engaging in the crimes of demining neighborhoods, restoring water (pumping station previously under "rebel" control), and distributing aid. How dare they!



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Thursday, December 1, 2016 8:09 PM

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Sig, see my post (right above yours) about why the casualty figures in Aleppo are drastically under-counted.

Quote:

And they're engaging in the crimes of demining neighborhoods, restoring water (pumping station previously under "rebel" control), and distributing aid. How dare they!

Is this the best you can do? De-mining neighbourhoods of cluster bombs that they dropped, repairing water and electricity facilities that they bombed, distributing aid that they withheld for weeks from a starving population?



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Sig, see my post (right above yours) about why the casualty figures in Aleppo are drastically under-counted. [KPO's comment says] ... Another difficulty with the casualty figures coming from Aleppo - an inability to count the dead= KPO


Not to worry! SNHR will be able to tell you. They'll just ask YOUR TERRORIST BUDDIES, the White Helmet/ ISIL group!

I can bring back their White-Helmet tweets if you want. Yanno, the ones where they're caught speaking in front of a black flag, or making the raised-index-finger sign, or manhandling SAA prisoners with other terrorists and also shouting Allahu Akbar. Yeah, THOSE "White Helmets", YOUR TERRORIST BUDDIES.

Yanno, one of the terrorist-tweets that I posted focused on a dead chicken and included a pickup truck of mannequins and I thought ..."Mannequins??" and then I realized that mannequins can be used to create those heart-rending vignettes of dead civilians. All the better because the mannequins don't object when you change their clothes and move them from place to place for different shots.

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And they're engaging in the crimes of demining neighborhoods, restoring water (pumping station previously under "rebel" control), and distributing aid. How dare they!- SIGNY

Is this the best you can do? De-mining neighbourhoods of cluster bombs that they dropped, repairing water and electricity facilities that they bombed, distributing aid that they withheld for weeks from a starving population?

Is this the best YOU can do?

I know that you like to think that YOUR PRECIOUS TERRORISTS are as pure as driven snow, but they DO have a reputation for leaving behind IEDs and other booby traps. And as far as the aid is concerned, I guess you don't remember the statements FROM YOUR PRECIOUS TERRORIST BUDDIES that THEY didn't want aid coming in through Castello Road because it would have given the government a tactical advantage, so it was THEY who refused the aid. And also how YOUR TERRORIST BUDDIES destroyed a rather large convoy of UN aid.

AFA the water pumping station is concerned, it's like the hospitals of east Allepo, YOUR PRECIOUS TERRORISTS announced it was "destroyed" ... over and over. I saw the latest pix of the pumping station ... it is not "destroyed", the building is fully intact. It was probably damaged by a stray/nearby missile strike, and YOUR TERRORIST BUDDIES most likely decided that it was in their interests simply not to repair the pumping station to put pressure on the Syrian government. But that's what hostages are for no?? Cut off a finger, and then an ear ... deny food, deny water, close the perimeter...

I can bring up all that information again, if you've "forgotten".

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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."
Yep, that's you, KPO.

In any case, Aleppo is almost fully liberated. The fight there is essentially over, although it may take another month to fully clear out the foreign fighters and domestic terrorists. Tens of thousand of people .... formerly held as hostages by KPO's precious terrorists ... are now free to move outside of their damaged neighborhoods and take advantage of housing and aid elsewhere.


Just a friendly reminder of the TERRORISTS WHO KPO IS SUPPORTING

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Opposition refuses aid delivery via Castello Road
Aug. 31, 2016

The United Nations is calling for a 48-hour ceasefire to allow food and medicine to enter the embattled city of Aleppo, but a row over which route the aid convoys are to use has brought the plan to a halt.

The UN wants to use Castello Road, the road north of Aleppo that after weeks of bombing the regime captured last month to complete its encirclement of east Aleppo.

“If Castello Road becomes an aid corridor, the regime will make it impossible for us, as the opposition, to take it back,” Muhammad Fadila, the head of the Provincial Council of Aleppo, tells Syria Direct’s Bahira al-Zarier.


http://syriadirect.org/news/which-road-to-aleppo-opposition-refuses-ai
d-delivery-via-castello-road
/

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Sunday, December 4, 2016 4:16 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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They'll just ask YOUR TERRORIST BUDDIES, the White Helmet/ ISIL group!

Sig, you are a parody of yourself. A volunteer rescue organisation that has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for its efforts are "terrorists" - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/05/the-guardian-vie
w-on-the-nobel-peace-prize-give-it-to-syrias-white-helmets


I didn't read the rest of your post, just scanned down and saw that you continued to rant about "TERRORISTS!" like the propagandised fool that you are.


"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521


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Sunday, December 4, 2016 4:22 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Sig, you are a parody of yourself. A volunteer rescue organisation that has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for its efforts are "terrorists" - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/05/the-guardian-vie
w-on-the-nobel-peace-prize-give-it-to-syrias-white-helmets




Oooh! Nominated! For the The Nobel Prize!

Am I supposed to think that this means that the White Helmets for are peace?

Kissinger got the Noble Prize. (Also, he is a convicted war criminal)

Obama got the Noble Prize.

So what?

The White Helmets and their terrorist buddies ... and there's a lot more of this evidence around ...




You're on the terrorists' side, even if you don't know it.



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"If I could write inflammatory commentary to scorch the eye brows and lashes off Trump, Signym or 1kiki, I would.- SECOND"

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Sunday, December 4, 2016 8:06 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Oh look! Photoshopped arrows and captions! It must be true!

Never mind that the actual White Helmets look like this:


And not so much:


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and there's a lot more of this evidence around ...

Is any of it better than what you've just posted? If not, quit and stop embarrassing yourself.


"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521


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Sunday, December 4, 2016 10:26 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


As if the White Helmets can't do both?

Yes, there is plenty available, I already posted it.



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Monday, December 5, 2016 1:43 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"As if the White Helmets can't do both?" That's what kpo wants people to think! In the pantheon of DISHONEST ARGUMENTS, kpo's is known as the 'false dilemma'.




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Monday, December 5, 2016 5:29 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Dead terrorist women and children after righteous Assad/Putin shelling of east Aleppo (45+ dead):



http://www.facebook.com/middleeasteye/videos/1198070256925027/

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/syrian-government-accused-arresting-
civilians-fleeing-aleppo-fighting-722896749



"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521


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Monday, December 5, 2016 10:16 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Dead terrorist women and children after righteous Assad/Putin Coalition shelling airstrikes near east Aleppo Mosul





It is a sad fact that when fighting takes place in a city, civilians will be killed. Especially when the occupying forces (in this case, terrorists in both Aleppo and Mosul) insist on keeping civilians as hostages. Instead of blaming the liberating forces, you should be blaming the terrorists.

And BTW, you have not addressed the point that your buddy terrorists were the ones who blocked UN aid from reaching Aleppo.



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"If I could write inflammatory commentary to scorch the eye brows and lashes off Trump, Signym or 1kiki, I would.- SECOND"

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Monday, December 5, 2016 10:21 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


GSTRING
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"Here's a helmet and a vest - now stand over there next to the guys with the flag, say "cheese!"
Yep! It's not as stupid as the White Helmet mannequin challenge, which shows them "rescuing" an "injured" young man who is covered with "dust" (flour) and "trapped in" (lightly sprinkled with) rubble.

The White Helmets actually had to apologize for that one!




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Monday, December 5, 2016 11:30 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So, NEW talks are going on between Russia and the USA (who supports the Free Syrian Army "rebels").

Just to give you an idea of just how enmeshed the "FSA" is with al Qaida ... and how much the USA is aware of/ is supporting terrorist proxies in Aleppo ... the problem with the previous cease-fires is that the USA was supposed to provide information on where the "rebels" were, versus the terrorists and foreign fighters. In each case, the USA was unwilling OR UNABLE to provide separate coordinates for the various fighting forces in east Aleppo.

Now I'm sure that there were Syrians who started out fighting for "democracy". The problem is that they have been entirely swamped and intimidated by much-better armed Saudi-suported al Qaida radical extremists (or the Qatar-supported ISIL extremists) who wanted to turn Syria into either (1) a Wahhabist/ISIL theocracy or (2) a failed state. Either one would have been acceptable to Saudi Arabia and Qatar, who simply wanted Syria destroyed as a functioning entity. To insist that there is at this point a functional indepedent homegrown "rebel" group is to maintain a delusion.

In any case, if the USA doesn't reach a compromise SOON, there will be no more terrorist-proxies in Aleppo to protect. The terrorist defense is collapsing pretty quickly. There is roughly only 2000 feet between the Syrian (govt) held Citadel, and the closest Syrian (govt) salient on the opposite side. Once that is closed, the terrorists will be split in two- again. Unless they lay down their arms, Russia will treat any remaining fighters as terrorists.



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Monday, December 5, 2016 11:30 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Oh yes, the 'mannequin challenge!' Because nothing says 'humanitarian' goals like creating fake videos!




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Monday, December 5, 2016 1:21 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


OH COOL! You used the big red font of shame on your own trolling! I didn't even have to do it for you!

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Originally posted by G:
Nothing says Clueless like a Kiki post.






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