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Is 2016 the year of the Third Party?

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Sunday, February 5, 2017 7:50 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


That in itself could mean nothing.

The fact remains that most Democrats are against voter ID laws because the very best case scenario it does nothing at all for them and the worst case scenario it exposes fraud that has been suspected for quite some time now.

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Monday, February 6, 2017 1:06 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by G:
A total of 33 states have enforced the new voter identification requirements as of February 2016. Of those, 18 states require voters to present photo identification, while 15 accept other forms of identification. In some states, a voter who is unable to present valid identification may still be permitted to vote without casting a provisional ballot – a practise known as, non-strict requirement. In eight states of the 17 states that require a photo ID, the requirement is non-strict, while it is non-strict in 14 of the states that do not require a photo.



That tells me that only 9 states have voter ID laws. If it's going to be "non-strict" there's no point at all.

Still doesn't change the fact that only Democrats are against it and the reasons why are obvious.



I've said it before, but should say it again here...

Along with Voter ID laws, anyone should be able to get a state ID free of charge. Then there is no valid claim of discrimination against minorities.


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Monday, February 6, 2017 2:33 PM

1KIKI

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anyone should be able to get a state ID free of charge
I think to be a rock-solid process, ideally it should be based on either a birth certificate or valid naturalization papers. I don't know what the process is for getting a copy of your birth certificate for all states, but I do know it always involves a state fee.
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https://www.usa.gov/replace-vital-documents

Vital Records Documents Issued in the United States

Vital record documents consist of birth, death, marriage, and divorce certificates. State government vital records offices issue these documents. To get a copy of a vital record document, contact the vital records office in the state where the event occurred.

Some online services will do the legwork for you, dependent of course on you being online, and paying their fee in addition to the state fee.
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https://www.vitalchek.com/birth-certificates
But even if you get a copy of a birth record, and even if the voter id is provided free of charge, many states have made the process extremely onerous - you have to have notarized documents and show up in person. That's a barrier to people in poor health, people who work at will or otherwise without leave time, people who need to work more than 1 job, and people without transportation.

Believe me, the process has been well thought out to exclude as many people from the wrong demographics as possible.

That's why I think the Dem party needs to take the lead, and overcome as many barriers as possible for those who get shut out of the process. Voter id would keep republican state secys from purging voters rolls - NEARLY 100% OF THE TIME OF DEMOCRATS - as happened in Florida.

But as I posted elsewhere, the Dems are not about to go out of their way for their constituency.




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Monday, February 6, 2017 5:52 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by G:
1. The "non-strict" refers to the PHOTO part, not the ID part (you don't have to have a PHOTO on your ID). So this statement is still a statement of fact: "A total of 33 states have enforced the new voter identification requirements as of February 2016."

2. Same here: "Along with Voter ID laws, anyone should be able to get a state ID free of charge. Then there is no valid claim of discrimination against minorities." It's not a claim of discrimination so much as a statement of fact that minorities - traditional Democratic voters - show a lower proclivity in getting an ID if they don't have one, free or not... therefore... there will be less Dem voters. If you want to say, "Well screw them! If they can't drag themselves out of bed and git a free ID then they don't deserve to git to vote!" that's another matter.



1. Exactly. My point is that there is no point to carding for votes if there is no photo on the ID. Why bother even having a law then? My guess is so they can say that a majority of the states have voter ID laws when truthfully only 9 of the states have laws that actually do anything.

2. I think I will exert my right to say "Well screw them! If they can't drag themselves out of bed and git a free ID then they don't deserve to git to vote!" Assuming the State ID was valid for as long as a drivers license is valid. They'd only have to take time out of their busy day once every two presidential elections to do it. There's really no excuse if it's free.

Nobody can buy booze or go into most bars these days without a photo ID. They've got those employees so afraid of losing their job and getting fined that I saw what was obviously a retiree turned away at the liquor store because he wasn't able to provide photo identification for his booze.

I think it's funny that everybody who wants to buy booze can get a photo ID to buy booze, but when we're talking about voting it's suddenly racist.

I think if the law said you needed an ID to vote that minorities would get the ID to vote. I think it's racist to assume that they'd be too lazy to get the ID, actually.

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Monday, February 6, 2017 7:07 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


interesting list at these links

http://www.voteriders.org/voter-id?gclid=CI7I68nP_NECFQ5Efgod-L0LJA
http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx


Wisconsin seems to have gone out of its way to disenfranchise voters, as did Texas, Tennessee, Mississippi, (at least) :

IDs that are NOT VALID for voting in Wisconsin include:

Non-Wisconsin driver’s licenses
Student ID from an accredited WI university, college, or technical college that does NOT contain the student’s name, signature, picture, date the card was issued and expiration date (maximum two years) plus SEPARATE proof of enrollment.

Groups impacted by the voter ID law are those who may not have a current WI driver’s license: students, older adults, people with disabilities or low income, and voters of color. Women’s right to vote is also at risk because 90% change their names upon marriage. Wisconsin requires that the name on your photo ID “conform to the voter’s name on the poll list,” although “an exact match is not necessary.” Consequently, whether a woman - or any other - voter receives a regular ballot is subject to poll workers’ interpretation.

Alaska link doesn't work, Montana and Arkansas don't explicitly state acceptable identification ...

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How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Monday, February 6, 2017 7:20 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Any of those excuses I don't find valid. Nobody is being disenfranchised. I think it's funny that essentially everyone that is not a white male is expected to have difficulty obtaining a valid photo ID. It really says a lot about what the leaders of the Democratic Party really think about their constituency.

Yanno what?

Going to the DMV sucks, even if you're a white male.

And when I'm a senior citizen and they start making me go every 3 years instead of 8 years, it's going to suck 2.5 times as much.



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Monday, February 6, 2017 8:32 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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I think it's funny that everybody who wants to buy booze can get a photo ID to buy booze ...
Not really. It's in everybody's interest to skirt the law, the buyers to buy and the sellers to sell. That's what really flimsy fake ids are for, to give the rough appearance of conforming to the law. The seller can claim 'I asked' and the buyers are out the door and on their way into the unaccountable void.

The moral of the story is - everybody wins with a fake id, even a really bad one!




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Monday, February 6, 2017 8:37 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


jack
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Groups impacted by the voter ID law are those who may not have a current WI driver’s license: students, older adults, people with disabilities or low income, and voters of color. Women’s right to vote is also at risk because 90% change their names upon marriage.
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Any of those excuses I don't find valid. Nobody is being disenfranchised.
Aside from merely claiming something, do you have an actual argument with facts to back your opinion up?




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Monday, February 6, 2017 8:53 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Seems to be lots of confusion and contradictory claims about states with Voter ID laws.


here are some linkys:

https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_state#tab=Details
_by_state



http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws_in_the_United_States

To speak reasonably about these, perhaps we should specify which states we are talking about.

The following States seem to have changes in their Voter ID laws between 2012 and 2016:
KS, MS, VA, AL, SD, AR, WI improved their requirements.
AZ, TX, ND, PA lessened their requirements.

Using wikipedia, I find the following current groups:
Require Photo ID (aka honest elections):
(7) WI, KS, IN, MS, TN, GA, VA. Every one of these states counted their votes to carry for the GOP in 2016, except that suburb of ultra-corrupt D.C. known as "Virginia." A total of 63 Electoral Votes are represented by these states with "honest elections." 13 for Dems, 50 for GOP. Hilliary took VA with less than a majority, 49.75% of the "vote." VA voted GOP from 1979 until the infestation of D.C. by liberals following the Rock The Vote Election in 2006.
WI finally was able to enforce it's laws, and went to GOP for the first time since 1984.
KS and MS voted GOP every time since 1979.
IN voted Obama in 2008, otherwise GOP since 1979.
TN and GA each voted Dem twice since 1979.

Require ID, no photo:
(2) AZ, OH. These both voted GOP in 2016. OH voted Obama in 2012, and since 1980 has voted for the eventual victor each election. AZ has voted GOP every time since 1980 save 1996.

Request ID, which must have Photo:
(8) AL, FL, ID, LA, MI, RI, SD, TX. All of these voted for GOP in 2016 except Rhode Island. In 2012 MI voted for Obama.

Request ID, without Photo:
(15) AK, AR, CO, CT, DE, HI, KY, MO, MT, NH, ND, OK, SC, UT, WA. Of this group of 15, 6 went for the Dems in 2016, with 39 Electoral Votes, and 9 went for the GOP with 55 Electoral Votes.

No ID whatsoever (aka most encouraging voting fraud, and thereby disenfranchising honest law-abiding voting electorate):
(19) CA, IL, IA, ME, MD, MA, MN, NE, NV, NJ, NM, NY, NC, OR, PA, VT, WV, WY, DC.
6 of these states went to the GOP in 2016, with 54 Electoral Votes, and 13 (12 States plus DC) went to Hilliary, with 177 Electoral Votes.
In 2012, only PA had different voter ID laws compared to 2016 in this group, yet IA and PA went to Obama, taking 26 EVs - for a margin of 203 to 28 Electoral Votes in this most lawless(literally) group.
This group represents 231 Electoral Votes. 270 Electoral Votes wins an election. With 39 EVs from the prior category, this accounts for 270. Combining the 2 least-honest (most fraudulent) groups of laws, this is 325 Electoral Votes ripe for election fraud.

This last group, subtracting the EVs wrought from Senators, accounts for 195 of the 438 EVs representing population proportion - or about 45% of the population of America.
The prior group accounts for 64 more of the population proportion, giving us 259 or 59% of America governed by the most lax Voter ID laws - and it may be shocking, I say shocking to some that these States end up counting their vote tallies in favor of the Dems.


If we can specify which states we are disputing about from here on, it might make more sense.


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Monday, February 6, 2017 8:57 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
jack
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Groups impacted by the voter ID law are those who may not have a current WI driver’s license: students, older adults, people with disabilities or low income, and voters of color. Women’s right to vote is also at risk because 90% change their names upon marriage.
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Any of those excuses I don't find valid. Nobody is being disenfranchised.
Aside from merely claiming something, do you have an actual argument with facts to back your opinion up?



It's called the facts of life.

A drivers license/state ID is good for 2,920 days.

If you can't get your fat lazy ass to the DMV on one of them to get a free State ID, then you don't deserve to vote. Period.


Sure, it's just an opinion, but I maintain that it is a valid one that stands on its own.

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Monday, February 6, 2017 9:03 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I can't say for the other states but in California you have to be registered to vote in order to vote. When you go to the voting location for your address, before you vote you state your name and address. And the poll worker has to find you in the book for your district before you can cast your ballot. in other words - YOUR ID HAS TO BE REGISTERED FIRST.
As a method for vote jinking, voter fraud is very unattractive. As 'G' pointed out earlier, you're simply not going to have large percentages of people standing hours in line to vote under an id that isn't theirs - assuming they've looked up the names in the phone book and take a stab that whatever name and address they picked for that district hasn't voted already.

The most vulnerable step isn't the actual vote, it's the registration.




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Monday, February 6, 2017 9:11 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I'm not even arguing that voter fraud has happened. I believe it does, but that's not my point here.

My point is, until photo ID is required, in the minds of many, the entire voting process will remain suspect. I'm just tired of having this conversation when it's so stupid that we're not carding for the vote when we card for so many other less important things already.


There's well over 1,200 days until the next Presidential election. Plenty of time for everybody to go out and get a free state ID.

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Monday, February 6, 2017 9:14 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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If you can't get your fat lazy ass to the DMV on one of them to get a free State ID, then you don't deserve to vote. Period.
Assuming you're not handicapped, that you have transportation to the dmv, that you're not newly arrived in that state right before an election, that you can get time off from work during 'dmv' hours, that ... well jack, maybe it's been so long since you worked even 40 hours a week you've forgotten how much it can crimp your time, especially m-f, 9-5 during dmv hours. And I assume you've never been a heart failure patient with no transport to the dmv. Or other difficult circumstance. No wonder you just ASSume they must be fat and lazy.




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Monday, February 6, 2017 10:05 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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If you can't get your fat lazy ass to the DMV on one of them to get a free State ID, then you don't deserve to vote. Period.
Assuming you're not handicapped, that you have transportation to the dmv, that you're not newly arrived in that state right before an election, that you can get time off from work during 'dmv' hours, that ... well jack, maybe it's been so long since you worked even 40 hours a week you've forgotten how much it can crimp your time, especially m-f, 9-5 during dmv hours. And I assume you've never been a heart failure patient with no transport to the dmv. Or other difficult circumstance. No wonder you just ASSume they must be fat and lazy.




LOL... What's the deal 1kiki? You're normal sparring partners have taken a break for a few days so you're just looking for somebody... ANYBODY to argue with? You sound like one of those SJWs now.

You completely missed the main point that they would have to spend one portion of one single day out of nearly 3,000 days to get that free ID. That's half as much time that they'd spend actually voting in two presidential elections, and 1/4 the time they'd spend actually voting in the mid-terms as well.

If the law were made today, there would be more than 1,200 days for them to get the ID. If you have a great job, you can easily make time for this. If you have a decent job with vacation and personal days, you can easily make time for this. If you have a shitty retail job, even if it's full time, you're going to be working different hours of the day from day to day and can easily make time for this. If you have a shitty part time job, you can easily make time for this.

If you're handicapped or have a heart condition, but you're still capable of getting to the polling place to vote once every 2-4 years, you are capable of spending one extra day out of nearly 3,000 getting an ID.

If you don't have a car, you know somebody who does, and can get them to take you to the DMV one day out of nearly 3,000 days. If you live in a populated area, where most of the suspected voter fraud takes place, chances are very likely that there's a DMV in walking distance. It's assumed if you don't have a vehicle, you are no stranger to walking for everything else in your life already.



As for people who JUST moved into the state, there's an easy solution to that as well. Allow for an overlap. You're not expected to get a new drivers license the very day you move into a new state. If you show an out of state ID at the polling place, just show proof that you are new to the area along with the ID.


I'm still waiting on hearing a circumstance where it would be unreasonable for somebody to get a free State ID once every nearly 3,000 days.

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Monday, February 6, 2017 11:04 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



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LOL... What's the deal 1kiki? You're normal sparring partners have taken a break for a few days so you're just looking for somebody... ANYBODY to argue with?
I'm looking for a rational thesis from you, instead of bogus pre-canned talking points.
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they would have to spend one portion of one single day out of nearly 3,000 days to get that free ID
And you think that they can just go to the dmv, say 'my name is agent k';, get their picture taken and - voilà! - picture id? The REALITY is that getting the photo id requires first getting a complex set of other ids, from places that may be out of state. For example, one may need to get a NH birth certificate while residing in Michigan. Getting those documents is a burden - on top of the trip to the dmv.
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http://www.dmvflorida.org/drivers-license-identification.shtml
US Citizens
Florida law requires identification, proof of date of birth, proof of residential address, and proof of social security number (if issued, Chapter 322, Florida Statutes, requires the Department see proof of social security number for the issuance of driver license and identification cards) from all customers before a driver license or identification card can be issued.
The name assigned to the social security number must match the name that will appear on the Florida driver license or identification card. If you have recently changed your name, update your records with the Social Security Administration before you apply for your license or identification card.

http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/publications/pdf_publications/dsd_x1
73.pdf

First-time Illinois Driver’s License/ ID Card Applicant An applicant applying for a driver’s license or ID card for the first time in Illinois must present:
•one document that satisfies each of Group A,B and C
•two documents that satisfy Group D (one document from Group D if applicant is under age 5 applying for an ID card; one document if applicant is applying for a no-fee ID card presenting a Homeless Status Certification) Duplicate/ Corrected Driver’s License ID Card Applicant An applicant applying for either a duplicate or corrected driver.

https://dmv.ny.gov/driver-license/prove-identity-age-permitlicense
date of birth by providing an acceptable document from the list below, and
name by providing your Social Security Card (SSN) or an ineligibility letter 1, and
one or more other documents that total 4 points
Please note that
your signature must be on at least one document
your documents must be original or certified by the issuing agency, unless you send us the proofs by mail
(followed by anm extensive list of documents, exceptions, caveats, and points for each)

The problem is, jack, you haven't demonstrated that there IS a problem requiring voter id as a solution. Because the problem is the registration, not the voting. And you utterly failed to support your sole argument that this supposed solution to a non-existent problem don't impose an undue burden. Because the documentation burden is substantial.

As I've posted more than once, I'm in favor of voter id IF the dem party can make it uniform across all states, and then work its little heinie off to get dems properly id'd. That would help protect dems from being purged from voter rolls.

But if that doesn't happen - and I guarantee it won't - the only lock this key fits is the one that keeps the dem constituency from voting for no other reason than they're dems.





How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Tuesday, February 7, 2017 1:12 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I'm not giving any pre-canned talking points. I never once heard anybody say that a state ID would be good for nearly 3,000 days.

I don't have to prove anything regarding why not having a photo ID when voting leads to voter fraud. The PROBLEM right now isn't voter fraud. The PROBLEM is that MANY Americans have lost faith in the voting process because of doubts about the fairness of the elections because photo IDs are not required. I don't have to prove that to you. That's a well known fact.

The ONLY way to fix that problem is to force everyone to show a government issued photo ID at the voting booths.


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But if that doesn't happen - and I guarantee it won't - the only lock this key fits is the one that keeps the dem constituency from voting for no other reason than they're dems.


That's just plain bullshit. That's throwing minorities and women and disabled people into a heap and saying that they are either lazy or stupid or incapable of doing anything unless somebody does it for them. It's also assuming that all of the white males are Republicans and all of the white males would have no problem getting a photo ID, because they're not women or minorities or disabled.




And by the way... chances are 100% that people on government benefits already have the paperwork required to get a photo ID. They can't get the benefits unless they can prove who they are with the very same documents needed to get a driver's license or a state ID. Ask me how I know.



You're not talking to an idiot. You're also talking to a person who has worked jobs at just about every level of income under upper management in the last 20 years. So spare me any bullshit about how hard it is to make a trip to the DMV once every 8 years.

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Tuesday, February 7, 2017 2:17 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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The PROBLEM is that MANY Americans have lost faith in the voting process because of doubts about the fairness of the elections because photo IDs are not required. I don't have to prove that to you. That's a well known fact.
First of all, not MANY know that supposed well known fact. Two out of 3 people - 66% - DON'T know that. http://time.com/4461014/voter-fraud-poll-gallup-poll-republicans/
But even if MANY knew that voter fraud was 'major' problem, or that the earth was flat, would that make either true?
But very specifically, it's not true. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/voter-fraud-is-very-rare-in-ameri
can-elections
/
In any case, the howlers - dead people registering to vote, or non-citizens registering to vote - highlight the problem is with REGISTRATION, not voting.
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In Harrisonburg, Virginia, the FBI and local authorities are investigating after 20 dead people re-registered to vote this year. Also, a study found more than 1,000 non-citizens in Virginia are registered to vote.

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That's (voter id keeps dem constituents from voting) just plain bullshit. That's throwing minorities and women and disabled people into a heap and saying that they are either lazy or stupid or incapable of doing anything unless somebody does it for them.
Don't forget the elderly, ill, and impoverished! Why, when you start to add it all up, it looks like the only thing in common is that they're the dem constituency!
I take it Jack you have zero concern for those people who can have genuine problems making their way through a needlessly complicated, effortful, protracted process, engineered to screen legitimate voters out.
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So spare me any bullshit about how hard it is to make a trip to the DMV once every 8 years.
Speaking of bullshit, I see you're back to your canard that's it's only one trip to the DMV - but while that may be bad enough, in the real world, it's about so much more.




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Tuesday, February 7, 2017 2:54 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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The PROBLEM is that MANY Americans have lost faith in the voting process because of doubts about the fairness of the elections because photo IDs are not required. I don't have to prove that to you. That's a well known fact.
First of all, not MANY know that supposed well known fact. Two out of 3 people - 66% - DON'T know that. http://time.com/4461014/voter-fraud-poll-gallup-poll-republicans/
But even if MANY knew that voter fraud was 'major' problem, or that the earth was flat, would that make either true?
But very specifically, it's not true. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/voter-fraud-is-very-rare-in-ameri
can-elections
/
In any case, the howlers - dead people registering to vote, or non-citizens registering to vote - highlight the problem is with REGISTRATION, not voting.
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In Harrisonburg, Virginia, the FBI and local authorities are investigating after 20 dead people re-registered to vote this year. Also, a study found more than 1,000 non-citizens in Virginia are registered to vote.

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That's (voter id keeps dem constituents from voting) just plain bullshit. That's throwing minorities and women and disabled people into a heap and saying that they are either lazy or stupid or incapable of doing anything unless somebody does it for them.
Don't forget the elderly, ill, and impoverished! Why, when you start to add it all up, it looks like the only thing in common is that they're the dem constituency!
I take it Jack you have zero concern for those people who can have genuine problems making their way through a needlessly complicated, effortful, protracted process, engineered to screen legitimate voters out.
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So spare me any bullshit about how hard it is to make a trip to the DMV once every 8 years.
Speaking of bullshit, I see you're back to your canard that's it's only one trip to the DMV - but while that may be bad enough, in the real world, it's about so much more.




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?



LOL...

You of all people, are quoting fivethirtyeight.com...

T and G might be on to something. I think you just might be a Troll.

At the very least, you're a bona fide contrarian. When the people you normally argue with took a couple days vacation from satisfying your desire to argue with somebody, you just go and find whoever is around to pick a fight with. LOL... and you even use websites that they like using against your arguments. Yanno, the blatantly left slanted websites like 538 that had Clinton up by so much a week before the election there was no possible way that Trump could win.



I didn't say how many people actually believed that voter fraud was a major problem. I just said that EVERYBODY knows that there are a lot of people who believe it is a problem. But thank you for posting that article and proving both points....

"One in Three in U.S. Think Voter Fraud a 'Major' Problem"

That's 33%. That is OVER 100 MILLION PEOPLE in America that think voter fraud is a MAJOR problem.



And I don't give two shits how many problems there are with voter registrations. You could have 10 million dead people and illegals register to vote. But if the law is that you have to have a valid State Issued ID or Drivers License with a photo on it, none of those dead people or illegal people will actually be able to vote.

GET IT?



And I'm not going to cry for anybody who doesn't have the chops to get a photo ID. That's life. We have to do a whole lot of shit that we don't like doing, nearly every single day.

Here's an idea. Notify everybody that is on any form of Government assistance that the next time their 6 month re-evaluation of their food stamp/energy/SSI benefits comes up, that their next payment will be witheld if they have not in that 6 month period gotten their FREE state ID.

Problem Solved.

Watch how many impoverished Democrats have their photo IDs by next weekend.

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Tuesday, February 7, 2017 3:22 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Not a contrarian - just not partisan. I aim to be right, no matter where it lands me, politically.

As for your bogus claims about voter fraud (which, let me add, you've still failed to prove), I google searched my answers. The links I put up were simply examples out of many.

how many people think voter fraud is a problem
https://www.google.com/#q=how+many+people+think+voter+fraud+is+a+probl
em

voter fraud statistics by state
https://www.google.com/#q=voter+fraud+statistics+by+state

But that's too complicated for you I guess. Asking a question, and looking at MANY answers in order to figure out the facts.


Oh, btw, while it varies from state to state, the only government assistance program that requires a birth certificate by the feds is Medicare. Medicaid, food stamps, welfare, assistance on your utility bills - not so much.




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Tuesday, February 7, 2017 6:08 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I've never once had to provide a birth certificate for a drivers license. I've lived in the extremely Democratic Illinois, the moderate Wisconsin, and the mostly Republican Indiana. I have had to provide my social security card, which I also had to provide when I had first signed up for food stamps, and every time I got energy assistance.


I'm not going to keep reading links you sent me. I quoted the top line of the last one you sent me that said that 1 in 3 Americans believe that voter fraud is a major problem.

You keep asking me to prove voter fraud. I've never claimed there was voter fraud. What I've said, and what the article you provided backs up, is that a VERY LARGE amount of Americans believe that voter fraud is a problem.

I didn't have to prove it. YOU ALREADY DID.

Dumbass...



Where you at G and THGRRI? I'm done with this idiot.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, February 7, 2017 8:07 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


6ixStringJack, what you’re dreaming of is a national ID card. All legislative attempts to create a national identity card have failed due to tenacious opposition from liberal and conservative politicians alike, who regard the national identity card as the mark of a totalitarian society.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_documents_in_the_United_States

There would always be people who forgot their national ID card. So that they can’t forget when they vote, all Americans except the 1% should be micro-chipped, exactly like pets. The 1% will be exempt because we're not pets nor employees and we already know our legislators’ home phone numbers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microchip_implant_(human)

Sadly for me, my side of the 1% has to accept losing occasionally to the Republican side, but there are the wonderful tax cuts to make me feel better and keep me in the Top 1%.
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I've never once had to provide a birth certificate for a drivers license. I've lived in the extremely Democratic Illinois, the moderate Wisconsin, and the mostly Republican Indiana. I have had to provide my social security card, which I also had to provide when I had first signed up for food stamps, and every time I got energy assistance.


I'm not going to keep reading links you sent me. I quoted the top line of the last one you sent me that said that 1 in 3 Americans believe that voter fraud is a major problem.

You keep asking me to prove voter fraud. I've never claimed there was voter fraud. What I've said, and what the article you provided backs up, is that a VERY LARGE amount of Americans believe that voter fraud is a problem.

I didn't have to prove it. YOU ALREADY DID.

Dumbass...



Where you at G and THGRRI? I'm done with this idiot.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, February 7, 2017 8:24 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I can't say for the other states but in California you have to be registered to vote in order to vote.


But nobody needs to be a citizen. No proof of citizenship is required to register. I have read that Arizona is now the same.
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When you go to the voting location for your address, before you vote you state your name and address.


Or any address that you choose. This is why Democrats love to have printouts of voter registration data, as well as voter history. When these clowns have that piece of paper in their hand with "their" address that they are about to recite, they got it from a roster of registered voters, and often checked that that voter has not participated in recent elections. As long as there is no bother to check an ID, this will continue. Then these clowns get back on the Democrat bus and head off to the next polling station. This is one of the prime methods detailed by those who brag about how many times they voted on election day - even bragging to television reporters. When the REAL voter reports in, they are not allowed to vote because "they already voted once" and subsequent complaints to the Libtard Clerk in these Libtard Wards where this rampant fraud occurs are quickly disregarded, discounted, or dismissed by the Democrat Clerks.
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And the poll worker has to find you in the book for your district before you can cast your ballot.


and the Left-wing extremist wacko at the Poll is never going to let a fellow Libtard vote fraudulently, right....
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in other words - YOUR ID HAS TO BE REGISTERED FIRST.


No, not your ID - the ID of the REAL voter which you are impersonating.
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As a method for vote jinking, voter fraud is very unattractive.


Those bragging on TV how they voted 7 times sure seem to make it sound like they had fun.
And even when they get caught, you really think the Democrat Clerk will push for punishment or investigation?
The Democrat District Attorney?
The Democrat Prosecuting Attorney?
The Democrat Sheriff or Police Chief?
How delusional can you get?
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As 'G' pointed out earlier, you're simply not going to have large percentages of people standing hours in line to vote under an id that isn't theirs - assuming they've looked up the names in the phone book and take a stab that whatever name and address they picked for that district hasn't voted already.

The most vulnerable step isn't the actual vote, it's the registration.




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?


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Wednesday, February 8, 2017 2:19 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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No proof of citizenship is required to register. I have read that Arizona is now the same.
Registration seems to me to be the weak link in voting, far more than the wrong person voting.
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Or any address that you choose. This is why Democrats love to have printouts of voter registration data, as well as voter history. When these clowns have that piece of paper in their hand with "their" address that they are about to recite, they got it from a roster of registered voters, and often checked that that voter has not participated in recent elections. As long as there is no bother to check an ID, this will continue. Then these clowns get back on the Democrat bus and head off to the next polling station.
That's quite a story. Though given the lines at most polling stations I imagine a typical fake voter could get to 3 at most. And, btw, I probably won't accept this without any ... yanno ... evidence.
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and the Left-wing extremist wacko at the Poll is never going to let a fellow Libtard vote fraudulently, right....
In my town, there are TWO poll workers who find you in the book, then have you sign. Your story is sounding more and more like a histrionic ghost story made up by a pre-teen.
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No, not your ID - the ID of the REAL voter which you are impersonating.
Until the real voter votes ahead of the fake voter and the fake voter is exposed as a fraud? Or until the real voter shows up afterward and protests? There are so MANY opportunities for this to go wrong, there should be tens of thousands of outraged stories every election cycle. And yet .. that hasn't happened. I think it's because it doesn't happen. And please don't cite any O'Keefe videos, as they're highly edited and impossible to verify. http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/18/project-veritas-election-videos/
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Those bragging on TV how they voted 7 times ...
Who would that be, exactly?
Or, as you might say "How delusional can you get?"




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Wednesday, February 8, 2017 4:38 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
6ixStringJack, what you’re dreaming of is a national ID card. All legislative attempts to create a national identity card have failed due to tenacious opposition from liberal and conservative politicians alike, who regard the national identity card as the mark of a totalitarian society.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_documents_in_the_United_States

There would always be people who forgot their national ID card. So that they can’t forget when they vote, all Americans except the 1% should be micro-chipped, exactly like pets. The 1% will be exempt because we're not pets nor employees and we already know our legislators’ home phone numbers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microchip_implant_(human)

Sadly for me, my side of the 1% has to accept losing occasionally to the Republican side, but there are the wonderful tax cuts to make me feel better and keep me in the Top 1%.



I'm EXTREMELY against a national ID card and any sort of microchipping or barcoding. That is not what I'm saying at all. These would be state based cards, and currently are only necessary for people who drive a car.


What I'm saying is that it's not that big a deal to get a photo ID, especially if it's free. If you're one of the "impovorished Democrats" that everybody likes to make excuses for, you already have the social security card you need to get a state ID if you're on government assistance. Just tell them they have 6 months to get their free state ID when their next benefit check comes up. If they don't have it by the next benefit check, their benefits will be witheld until they get it.

Watch how fast everyone with a million excuses get their photo IDs. Even the grimiest crack head isn't going to let his mom go hungry and will find a way to get her to the DMV.


Still no National ID card. If you aren't on government benefits and you don't drive a car, you still aren't required to have a photo ID.


And if you forget your photo ID when you go to vote, you have to go home and get it. Not a big deal. I'm sure it won't be the first time something like that has happened to them in their lives. You've never gone shopping somewhere only to realize that you left your wallet on your dresser when you went to pay?

Suggesting that people get micro-chipped because they'd forget their IDs is just silly talk.




[EDITED TO ADD]

I somehow managed to lose my SS card a few years back. I know exactly where I keep it, along with my birth certificate and HS diploma, but it wasn't there and for the life of me I couldn't think of where I put it.

It was a HUGE pain in my rear, and it did take me about 4 hours of waiting in line to get it, but I was able to get a replacement. Be aware that they do give you a "twice in a lifetime" chance of replacing it, but there actually IS another way to get a 3rd replacement if you managed to lose it 3 times, but I wouldn't want to even imagine how many hoops you need to jump through at that point.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, February 13, 2017 9:44 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

No proof of citizenship is required to register. I have read that Arizona is now the same.
Registration seems to me to be the weak link in voting, far more than the wrong person voting.
Quote:

Or any address that you choose. This is why Democrats love to have printouts of voter registration data, as well as voter history. When these clowns have that piece of paper in their hand with "their" address that they are about to recite, they got it from a roster of registered voters, and often checked that that voter has not participated in recent elections. As long as there is no bother to check an ID, this will continue. Then these clowns get back on the Democrat bus and head off to the next polling station.
That's quite a story. Though given the lines at most polling stations I imagine a typical fake voter could get to 3 at most. And, btw, I probably won't accept this without any ... yanno ... evidence.
Quote:

and the Left-wing extremist wacko at the Poll is never going to let a fellow Libtard vote fraudulently, right....
In my town, there are TWO poll workers who find you in the book, then have you sign. Your story is sounding more and more like a histrionic ghost story made up by a pre-teen.
Quote:

No, not your ID - the ID of the REAL voter which you are impersonating.
Until the real voter votes ahead of the fake voter and the fake voter is exposed as a fraud? Or until the real voter shows up afterward and protests? There are so MANY opportunities for this to go wrong, there should be tens of thousands of outraged stories every election cycle. And yet .. that hasn't happened. I think it's because it doesn't happen. And please don't cite any O'Keefe videos, as they're highly edited and impossible to verify. http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/18/project-veritas-election-videos/
Quote:

Those bragging on TV how they voted 7 times ...
Who would that be, exactly?
Or, as you might say "How delusional can you get?"




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?



Working on the details.
Some linkys:
http://akdart.com/voting.html

http://archive.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/91776779.html


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Saturday, February 18, 2017 5:00 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
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The PROBLEM is that MANY Americans have lost faith in the voting process because of doubts about the fairness of the elections because photo IDs are not required. I don't have to prove that to you. That's a well known fact.
First of all, not MANY know that supposed well known fact. Two out of 3 people - 66% - DON'T know that.

In any case, the howlers - dead people registering to vote, or non-citizens registering to vote - highlight the problem is with REGISTRATION, not voting.
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In Harrisonburg, Virginia, the FBI and local authorities are investigating after 20 dead people re-registered to vote this year. Also, a study found more than 1,000 non-citizens in Virginia are registered to vote.

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That's (voter id keeps dem constituents from voting) just plain bullshit. That's throwing minorities and women and disabled people into a heap and saying that they are either lazy or stupid or incapable of doing anything unless somebody does it for them.
Don't forget the elderly, ill, and impoverished! Why, when you start to add it all up, it looks like the only thing in common is that they're the dem constituency!
I take it Jack you have zero concern for those people who can have genuine problems making their way through a needlessly complicated, effortful, protracted process, engineered to screen legitimate voters out.
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So spare me any bullshit about how hard it is to make a trip to the DMV once every 8 years.
Speaking of bullshit, I see you're back to your canard that's it's only one trip to the DMV - but while that may be bad enough, in the real world, it's about so much more.








That is OVER 100 MILLION PEOPLE in America that think voter fraud is a MAJOR problem.


And I don't give two shits how many problems there are with voter registrations. You could have 10 million dead people and illegals register to vote. But if the law is that you have to have a valid State Issued ID or Drivers License with a photo on it, none of those dead people or illegal people will actually be able to vote.

GET IT?


This seems one of your best posts. Where you not high or drunk when you posted this?

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Saturday, February 18, 2017 5:49 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Nope. Haven't smoked weed in about 2-3 years now, and haven't had a drink since New Years Eve.


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Saturday, February 18, 2017 6:37 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



http://akdart.com/voting.html

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The next day, county officials ''discovered'' that the returns from one precinct had not yet been counted, Mr. Caro said, and those votes went overwhelmingly to Johnson. On Monday, there were more new returns from the Rio Grande Valley.
The story, from back in 1948, is about how LBJ stole the primary vote. But even if true, and even if voter ID had been available back then, it wouldn't have helped against the outright manufacture of ballots, to be 'found' and counted later.

The rest of the stories center around Hillary's popular vote numbers and specific states like California, or cities like Detroit.

And the complaints about "voter fraud"? There's questionable registration ... more votes than voters and at the same time voters with missing votes ... broken seals ... malfunctioning optical scanners ... but Russia! claims ... stories that mention nothing about voter fraud ... California accounted for Hillary's popular vote ... in fact, I couldn't find ONE instance of voter fraud in the links.

Bad voter registration, outright ballot manufacture by a vote official, misbehaving machines ... but no voter fraud per se.









How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Saturday, February 18, 2017 6:48 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

http://archive.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/91776779.html

Three are charged with voting as felons, two with voting twice, and two with falsely procuring voter registrations while working for the organization ACORN.

This story doesn't indicate how voter ID could have helped.




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Friday, February 24, 2017 5:08 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Seems to be lots of confusion and contradictory claims about states with Voter ID laws.


here are some linkys:

https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_state#tab=Details
_by_state



http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws_in_the_United_States

To speak reasonably about these, perhaps we should specify which states we are talking about.

The following States seem to have changes in their Voter ID laws between 2012 and 2016:
KS, MS, VA, AL, SD, AR, WI improved their requirements.
AZ, TX, ND, PA lessened their requirements.

Using wikipedia, I find the following current groups:
Require Photo ID (aka honest elections):
(7) WI, KS, IN, MS, TN, GA, VA. Every one of these states counted their votes to carry for the GOP in 2016, except that suburb of ultra-corrupt D.C. known as "Virginia." A total of 63 Electoral Votes are represented by these states with "honest elections." 13 for Dems, 50 for GOP. Hilliary took VA with less than a majority, 49.75% of the "vote." VA voted GOP from 1979 until the infestation of D.C. by liberals following the Rock The Vote Election in 2006.
WI finally was able to enforce it's laws, and went to GOP for the first time since 1984.
KS and MS voted GOP every time since 1979.
IN voted Obama in 2008, otherwise GOP since 1979.
TN and GA each voted Dem twice since 1979.

Require ID, no photo:
(2) AZ, OH. These both voted GOP in 2016. OH voted Obama in 2012, and since 1980 has voted for the eventual victor each election. AZ has voted GOP every time since 1980 save 1996.

Request ID, which must have Photo:
(8) AL, FL, ID, LA, MI, RI, SD, TX. All of these voted for GOP in 2016 except Rhode Island. In 2012 MI voted for Obama.

Request ID, without Photo:
(15) AK, AR, CO, CT, DE, HI, KY, MO, MT, NH, ND, OK, SC, UT, WA. Of this group of 15, 6 went for the Dems in 2016, with 39 Electoral Votes, and 9 went for the GOP with 55 Electoral Votes.

No ID whatsoever (aka most encouraging voting fraud, and thereby disenfranchising honest law-abiding voting electorate):
(19) CA, IL, IA, ME, MD, MA, MN, NE, NV, NJ, NM, NY, NC, OR, PA, VT, WV, WY, DC.
6 of these states went to the GOP in 2016, with 54 Electoral Votes, and 13 (12 States plus DC) went to Hilliary, with 177 Electoral Votes.
In 2012, only PA had different voter ID laws compared to 2016 in this group, yet IA and PA went to Obama, taking 26 EVs - for a margin of 203 to 28 Electoral Votes in this most lawless(literally) group.
This group represents 231 Electoral Votes. 270 Electoral Votes wins an election. With 39 EVs from the prior category, this accounts for 270. Combining the 2 least-honest (most fraudulent) groups of laws, this is 325 Electoral Votes ripe for election fraud.

This last group, subtracting the EVs wrought from Senators, accounts for 195 of the 438 EVs representing population proportion - or about 45% of the population of America.
The prior group accounts for 64 more of the population proportion, giving us 259 or 59% of America governed by the most lax Voter ID laws - and it may be shocking, I say shocking to some that these States end up counting their vote tallies in favor of the Dems.


If we can specify which states we are disputing about from here on, it might make more sense.


Another perspective of the data:
Of the 13 States which are solid Leftist, recording their results with wide margins for Dems every election since 1990, not a single one has Photo ID Required, nor has ID Requirement without Photo, and only Rhode Island among them has even a request for Photo ID. These represent 175 Electoral Votes.
These States (and their EVs) were CA(55), NY(29), IL(20), NJ(14), WA(12), MA(11), MD(10), CT(7), HI(4), RI(4), VT(3), DE(3), and DC(3).

The next spectrum category of 4 States which record comfortable margins (more than 10%) and, other than NH in 2000, record their vote as Dem every election since 1990, none have any ID Required, either with Photo or not, and only MI has a request for Photo ID - but they went for Trump this time.
MI had 16 Electoral Votes, and the other 3 (OR, NH, ME) had 15 Electoral Votes.
Prior to this cycle, that amounts to 206 Electoral Votes guaranteed to be eligible and ripe for Voter Fraud.

The next group in the spectrum are "Likely voting Dem" by pollsters, recorded their results with at least 10% margin for Obama in 2008, and voted Dem in 1992, 1996,and 2012 - MSM and other Libtards call these "Swing States" or "Battleground States." Of these, none before this cycle allowed any sort of ID requirement, with or without Photo. With 57 Electoral Votes, that amounts to 263 Electoral Votes without any Required ID of any sort prior to this election. Dems only needed 6 more EVs to win an election.
These States were, in order of the size of margin for Obama in 2012, NM(5), MN(10), WI(10), IA(6), NV(6), and PA(20).
From this group, WI changed it's Law to Require Photo ID, and it had the largest correction of margin between 2012 and 2016. PA and IA also voted GOP in 2016.
The Electoral Votes representing MI, WI, IA, and PA are 52, which knocked the illicit Dem guaranty down to 211, meaning they needed to garner 59 Electoral Votes from honest, legal, non-fraudulent Electorates - which Hilliary could not accomplish.

The next group in the spectrum are 4 States which vote for the victor in each election since 1979 except when Perot ran, and were expected to go for Hilliary. Only one of them Requires Photo ID, the DC suburb known as VA.
The State in this group which can request ID but without Photo is CO, which also went to Hilliary.
The State in this group which Requires ID, but with no Photo, is OH - which went to Trump.
The final State in this group, which can request Photo ID, is FL - which also went Trump.
This group of 4 States accounts for 69 Electoral Votes.


The easy summary of this could be: The States which encourage and facilitate Voter Fraud and fraudulent elections go to Dems. The states which prefer honest elections and not disenfranchising the legal Electorate go to the GOP.

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Friday, February 24, 2017 10:16 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

http://archive.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/91776779.html

Three are charged with voting as felons, two with voting twice, and two with falsely procuring voter registrations while working for the organization ACORN.

This story doesn't indicate how voter ID could have helped.




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?




It probably varies on a state by state basis, but nearly the entire back of my driver's license is one scary looking bar code type of thing. When I vote, they scan my ID. If I don't have an ID to scan, I can't vote.

I'm assuiming that once my barcode is scanned, I am unable to vote anywhere else or at any other time during the election cycle.

I'll tell ya what... I'll try to remember in 1 3/4 years to at least ask the people running the voting place about it. I don't know if I actually have the nerve to come back the next day and try it out to see what happens. I'm assuming that if I were to try again the computer would beep and say that I already voted.


As for keeping felons from voting, they'd have to do one of two things. Integrate the "crime database" with the voting system to automatically "beep" and disallow the felon from voting in the first place, or they'd have to actively start going after felons who voted in elections after the fact and make examples of them (and then make that a big story on the news to scare people out of trying it in the future).

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Wednesday, March 8, 2017 7:31 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The fact remains that most Democrats are against voter ID laws because the very best case scenario it does nothing at all for them and the worst case scenario it exposes fraud that has been suspected for quite some time now.




Naw. 33 states already have a kind of voter id law:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2016/0215/John-Oliver-is-back-
and-making-the-case-against-Voter-ID-laws


As of February 2016, a total of 33 states have enforced the new voter identification requirements.
By Bamzi Banchiri, Staff FEBRUARY 15, 2016

Last night Mr. Oliver debuted season three of the show with a takedown of the controversial voter ID laws, which have proliferated around the country following the US Supreme Court’s decision to curtail the Voting Rights Act.


A 2014 research from the Government Accountability Office found that turnout dropped among both young people and African-Americans in Kansas and Tennessee after new voter ID requirements took effect in 2012.


A total of 33 states have enforced the new voter identification requirements as of February 2016. Of those, 18 states require voters to present photo identification, while 15 accept other forms of identification. In some states, a voter who is unable to present valid identification may still be permitted to vote without casting a provisional ballot – a practise known as, non-strict requirement. In eight states of the 17 states that require a photo ID, the requirement is non-strict, while it is non-strict in 14 of the states that do not require a photo.


Could you please specify which States you are referring to? Or are you only posting an unindicated quote of another? If so, do you not agree with the quote?
Which States are the 18 which "REQUIRE" voters to present "PHOTO ID" as stated in your post?

Which States are the 17 which "REQUIRE" a "PHOTO ID" and which are the 8 States which pretend a "REQUIREMENT" which is "NON-STRICT" aka NOT REQUIRED?

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Saturday, January 22, 2022 7:14 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
interesting list at these links

http://www.voteriders.org/voter-id?gclid=CI7I68nP_NECFQ5Efgod-L0LJA
http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx


Wisconsin seems to have gone out of its way to disenfranchise voters, as did Texas, Tennessee, Mississippi, (at least) :

IDs that are NOT VALID for voting in Wisconsin include:

Non-Wisconsin driver’s licenses
Student ID from an accredited WI university, college, or technical college that does NOT contain the student’s name, signature, picture, date the card was issued and expiration date (maximum two years) plus SEPARATE proof of enrollment.

Groups impacted by the voter ID law are those who may not have a current WI driver’s license: students, older adults, people with disabilities or low income, and voters of color. Women’s right to vote is also at risk because 90% change their names upon marriage. Wisconsin requires that the name on your photo ID “conform to the voter’s name on the poll list,” although “an exact match is not necessary.” Consequently, whether a woman - or any other - voter receives a regular ballot is subject to poll workers’ interpretation.

Alaska link doesn't work, Montana and Arkansas don't explicitly state acceptable identification ...

being pestered by family, unable to finish

Quoting from 6 Feb 2017.

Wisconsin has had a long time of Dem Election Theft, often because Libtard Chicagoans crossing the border to vote, just like crossing to collect their welfare checks.

Seems like kiki is upset that WI passed a law against Chicago residents voting in WI elections.
And that students enrolled in August can't get ID by November.
And "students" who don't want to have their name on their Student ID.
And supposedly "voters of color" without any explanation.
And she is upset that Libtard wymmin are too incompetent to change their name on both Voter Rolls and their ID - or neither.


Honest voters are just sooooo unreasonable.

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