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JO 753 for Prezident!

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Monday, March 27, 2017 12:20 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Originally posted by JO753:
Do either uv you ever bother to look at the stuff linked to?



Yes. SOME of it is true. SOME of it is not. The person who is forming wholesale opinions without checking into specifics/ reality seems to be you. And that's a symptom of an opinion bubble, isn't it?

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About the stock market - I see its been going down a little lately. Coud that be a sine that its about to crash?
The stock market is a gambling casino where the participants are mostly HFT bots, and has been overvalued for over two years, thanks to the banks' cheap loans pouring into the equities market. Whether it goes up or down has little to do with Obama or Trump or the real economy. Although I hear people like Alex Jones claiming Trump credit for the stock market rise, I have predicted for quite a while that the financial system is due for a crash, and that includes the stock market.



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Monday, March 27, 2017 3:09 PM

6STRINGJOKER


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Originally posted by JO753:
Do either uv you ever bother to look at the stuff linked to?

About the stock market - I see its been going down a little lately. Coud that be a sine that its about to crash?

They charj 10% wen you sell?!



It's not just her haircut or voice that keeps me from watching Rachel, J0. If the only person in the world that actually is "in the know" of what you're talking about besides you is Rachel, than I don't believe it's something that needs to be given any serious thought.

I already asked you to post the same information from another source and you said that you can't because nobody else is covering it. You claim to have a dislike for Rachel yourself, yet you've posted half a dozen or more videos by her in the last few weeks. This means that either you want this story to be true so badly that you'll accept it from any source possible, or you actually do not dislike her at all. That's your prerogative either way. I'm just saying don't be surprised when nobody outside of your echo chamber listens to it when Maddow is the only source you can provide.


As for the stock market. The only thing I know for sure is that I cannot predict anything about it. It is run by forces much greater and much more informed than I am. It's a huge scam that has been syphoning the wealth of the workers in America and abroad.

I got lucky with it. I just happened to be at the right place at the right time with a bit of money in there. I'm thrilled to not have anything to do with it today. I was in no way saying that the market will continue in a "positive" trajectory, or attributing it to the current political environment.

We likely will have a "correction" in the market at some point, and I really hope you temper your urge at that time to say "I told you so!".




EDIT:

They don't charge 10% when you sell. At least my online handlers didn't charge that much. Might be a different story for those with the big bucks that do all of their gambling in person.

I was just kinda making a bad joke about the 10% fee you were joking about when you told everybody to pull out of the market a while back.

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Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:26 AM

JO753

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I dont dislike Rachel herself, just her bad habit uv repeating way too much.
In her mania to be thuro, she sumtimez derailz her prezentation.

She iznt the only plase to get newz on this story. Most uv her report iz from other soursez. Its not like she haz her own international detectiv ajensy.

Wut she duz hav iz a very good team (they all hav teamz) and they seem to be working on this more than anybody else'z team. They follow the leadz deeper and verify everything they can. You coud spend a month looking for everything you'll hear in an owr on her show.

You can watch Lawrence O'Donald, or read the NYT or other major newzpaperz but will haf to piece it all together yourself.

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O! MY 10% ! Sorry, my own joke zipped over my hed!

My rite to gloat expired during the continued rize after I predicted a crash. Even if it crashez now, its too late. Everybody knowz it cant go up forever.


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Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:36 AM

JO753

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yes. SOME of it is true. SOME of it is not.



How do you know wich iz wich? Are you an insider?

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The person who is forming wholesale opinions without checking into specifics/ reality seems to be you.


If you can find sumthing thats false in anything I linked to, pleaz tell.

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The stock market is a gambling casino where the participants are mostly HFT bots, and has been overvalued for over two years, thanks to the banks' cheap loans pouring into the equities market.


Were on the same paje about this. I dont suppoze you ever red that book I recomended, but he goez into this in detail. Cant recall the name at the moment.

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Wednesday, March 29, 2017 11:22 PM

JO753

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Its Les Leopold and the book iz The Looting of America. He haz ritten another book sins then that I shoud get.

Just fixed the smart fone problem. Turned out to be pretty eazy. Just added "white-space: nowrap" to the CSS code. Now the text duznt get extruded under everything at the bottom.

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Thursday, March 30, 2017 10:08 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Yes. SOME of it is true. SOME of it is not.- SIGNY
How do you know wich iz wich? Are you an insider?- JO


That is two questions. The ansewr to the srcond question is: no, I'm not an insider. The answer to the first question (How do you know which is which?) is more complicated.

You have to read and listen to A LOT of different sources. I listen to NPR. I listen to Alex Jones. I read BBC. I read RT. I also read Zerohedge and SouthFront and anyplace else that seems to be discussing an interesting topic. And hopefully, you have intelligent friends that do the same, and are willing to share their insights because you NEVER KNOW WHERE a great insight will be coming from.

You have to listen with an OPEN MIND. It doesn't do any good to listen to something and be mentally arguing at the same time ... you have to find a way of putting potentially distressing information into some kind of emotional quarantine. Sometimes I just get out the mental popcorn and am prepared to be amused. Many pieces go into the "interesting if true" warehouse.

Quite often, it will take YEARS to figure something out. All I can do is give you an examples.

I knew that the official reasons for invading Afghanistan and Iraq were bogus*. Afghanistan was such a small target, but what could possibly justify the expense and lives of a full-on boots-on-the-ground invasion of Iraq??? Whatever the reason, WMD was NOT IT. (* That's a whole 'nother story.)

But if not WMD, what was the reason? It had to be important to justify all of the expense, and the cause that was the most commensurate of the scale of effort had to do ... IMHO... with the petrodollar. Early on .... VERY early on ... there was information in various media that as soon as Hans Blix found Iraq to be in substantial compliance with the UN mandate to destroy his various weapons (from the 1980s) an oil contract between Iraq, France, and Russia was to be signed. More importantly, the payments were to be in GOLD, AND A BASKET OF CURRENCIES. THE USA and its banks ... and Saudi Arabia ...are terrified of any major deviation from the petrodollar scheme because most of their wealth is tied up in ... the dollar.

This is consistent with the timing that the closer and closer that Hans Blix got to finishing the UNMOVIC inspection, the more and more frantic the propaganda got on USA television. If you recall, it was USA bombs that drove UNMOVIC out of Iraq, not Saddam Hussein.

Here comes the insight:

For YEARS I thought of the invasions as "failures". Yes, they interrupted an oil deal, but what else? Yes, contractors and the MIC (Halliburton) got a bonanza of cash, but that was a one-time thing. We didn't get the oil, we never established a reliable neo-colony and failed to impose neo-liberalism, so what - really- justified all of those lives and all of that expense? Because all that was left in our wake was great smoking ruins with terrorists running around.

It wasn't until YEARS later that the answer came to me, and it came from an unusual source called "The Truthseeker" ... some guy who spun conspiracy theories that I would get out the mental popcorn for ... only THIS time, he had someone on named Kevin Barrett. And Kevin laid out a very convincing case for the al Qaeda terrorists being a proxy Saudi Army. AND for an Israeli-Saudi-USA alliance. Suddenly the pieces fell into place ... If WE didn't get to control the mideast, then allowing the Saudis to fill up the region with their proxy-army of terrorists was a good Plan B.

We weren't "fighting" terrorism, we were abetting it ... at least, the Saudi version. By destroying governments in the Mideast that Israel wanted gone, and by allowing them to be filled up with Saudi-backed terrorists, we were giving the Saudis regional control and fulfilling Israel's strategic vision. (NOTE: Neither al Qaeda or its many offshoots or ISIL or ITS many offshoots have ever attacked Israel. Why not?) In that light, the destruction of Libya and the attempted destruction of Syria makes a lot more sense: these were not multiple and repeated "mistakes" leading to the same "failures":

Nation-state destruction followed by chaos filled with Saudi-backed terrorists WAS - if nothing else- a decent plan B.

Insights come like that: from unexpected places.

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The person who is forming wholesale opinions without checking into specifics/ reality seems to be you.- SIGNY
If you can find sumthing thats false in anything I linked to, pleaz tell.- JO



I can find a LOT of false things in all of your links. But I'm not going to go sentence by sentence, writing long disquisitions about the parts I think are wrong. My point was that you cite articles which are random smatterings of evidence-free allegations AS IF they were ALL correct, without attempting to look at each allegation individually. You seem to accept the melange as a whole.

Thanks for the book recommendation.



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Thursday, March 30, 2017 10:39 AM

THGRRI


JO 753 for Prezident!

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Thursday, March 30, 2017 11:16 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Originally posted by THGRRI:
JO 753 for Prezident!



I'm not sure that JO would want the vote of people like you. But then, if you're trolling for votes, I guess ANY vote is a good vote.



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Friday, March 31, 2017 2:23 PM

JO753

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You have to read and listen to A LOT of different sources. I listen to NPR. I listen to Alex Jones. I read BBC. I read RT. I also read Zerohedge and SouthFront and anyplace else that seems to be discussing an interesting topic. And hopefully, you have intelligent friends that do the same, and are willing to share their insights because you NEVER KNOW WHERE a great insight will be coming from.



Therez your problem.

Infuzing your info with wakko conspirasy theoryz and blatantly partisan propaganda cant help but mix you up.

Do you also pump diesel into your gas tank occasionally just to be fair and balansed?

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Friday, March 31, 2017 3:11 PM

6STRINGJOKER


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Originally posted by JO753:
Therez your problem.

Infuzing your info with wakko conspirasy theoryz and blatantly partisan propaganda cant help but mix you up.



I could say the exact same thing to you J0.

MY PROPAGANDA HAS MORE TRUTHINESS THAN YOUR PROPAGANDA! NEENER NEENER NEENER!!!

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Friday, March 31, 2017 3:35 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Therez your problem.

Infuzing your info with wakko conspirasy theoryz and blatantly partisan propaganda cant help but mix you up.



I could say the exact same thing to you J0.

MY PROPAGANDA HAS MORE TRUTHINESS THAN YOUR PROPAGANDA! NEENER NEENER NEENER!!!



Alcoholic thinking is like being a dry drunk. Alcoholism is a threefold disease. A disease of the spirit, mind, and body. JO753 doesn't post propaganda Jack. Some of your friends here do though. You should learn how to tell the difference.

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Friday, March 31, 2017 5:17 PM

6STRINGJOKER


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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Alcoholic thinking is like being a dry drunk. Alcoholism is a threefold disease. A disease of the spirit, mind, and body. JO753 doesn't post propaganda Jack. Some of your friends here do though. You should learn how to tell the difference.



Judge much?

Tool...

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Friday, March 31, 2017 5:23 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Alcoholic thinking is like being a dry drunk. Alcoholism is a threefold disease. A disease of the spirit, mind, and body. JO753 doesn't post propaganda Jack. Some of your friends here do though. You should learn how to tell the difference.



Judge much?

Tool...



I give as I get. Just look at your friend SIG signature. If I'm debating with a moron I call it like it is.

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Friday, March 31, 2017 5:24 PM

DREAMTROVE


Trotting out the truthiness. I say Russia has defeated more terrorist groups than any other nation. I feel like that might be a fact.

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Friday, March 31, 2017 5:26 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Trotting out the truthiness. I say Russia has defeated more terrorist groups than any other nation. I feel like that might be a fact.



@uck Russia. They're about to get theirs.

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Friday, March 31, 2017 6:36 PM

6STRINGJOKER


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Originally posted by THGRRI:
I give as I get. Just look at your friend SIG signature. If I'm debating with a moron I call it like it is.



Thats between you and Signey.

If you're going to throw my drinking issues in my face rather than talk to me, you can go fuck yourself.

I do not recognize your self proclaimed moral superiority over me or anybody else.

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Friday, March 31, 2017 7:00 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
I give as I get. Just look at your friend SIG signature. If I'm debating with a moron I call it like it is.



Thats between you and Signey.

If you're going to throw my drinking issues in my face rather than talk to me, you can go fuck yourself.

I do not recognize your self proclaimed moral superiority over me or anybody else.



I'm not proclaiming moral superiority. What you post reveals you to be susceptible to conspiracy and falsehoods put forth as fact. You judged me for my responses to SIG and 1kiki without knowing the back story. Without caring about the back story. You jumped on SIG's band wagon about Russia not being important and the rest of us being unfair, even wrong. That suggests you are clueless to their indiscretions for the past few years. Yet, you want to challenge others on the topic. When I suggested you gaze at a couple of links you couldn't be bothered.

You think you can claim you put down the drink, then pass yourself off as something other than what you have been for the past couple of years here, a moron. Not so fast.

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Friday, March 31, 2017 7:02 PM

6STRINGJOKER


I'm a moron because I don't buy into left wing MSM propoganda, and that's because I drank a lot.

Got it.

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Friday, March 31, 2017 7:02 PM

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Friday, March 31, 2017 7:14 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
I'm a moron because I don't buy into left wing MSM propoganda, and that's because I drank a lot.

Got it.



You're a moron because 17 of our intelligence agencies declared Russia a threat and you take SIG'S perspective they are not.

You're a moron because you see everything as a leftist conspiracy. Even though both Republicans and Demarcates in the house and senate are investigating the Russians. Along with, the FBI and those other 16 intelligence agencies.

You're a moron because NATO is having the same problems with Russia as we are, yet you're too lazy to pursue facts beyond these threads.

You're a moron because Flynn is asking for immunity and you still can't see facts instead of conspiracy. The list of why I see you as a moron is endless.

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Friday, March 31, 2017 9:12 PM

JO753

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Sorry 6string, he'z got you there. Willfully ignoring information can make anyboody look like a moron.

Herez sum Alex Jonez for you. Take note uv wut he sez beginning at 4:10:



Clever propagandists stir in enuf truth and lojik to penetrate your defensez agenst the lie they want you to believe. Like poizon, you dont just give sumwun a glass uv it kuz they are likely to take a sniff and realize its not grape joos.

Wut haz happened over the last decade iz that the Republican sitizenz hav developed such a tolerans, even a taste for the poizon that Fox et al hardly haf to dilute the liez at all, so wen they or sum other entity, such az RT, duz blend it in with sumthing, it can seem like completely untainted unbiased truth.

The GoP haz made it eazy for America'z enemyz. They divided, Putin wants to conquer.

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Friday, March 31, 2017 9:44 PM

6STRINGJOKER


We have different opinions of what is real and what is fake, and what we choose to ignore.

You guys didn't even look at the DNC links when they were out there. Now that it's been proven that Bernie was screwed out of the primary and Hillary was bought by middle east interest and big banks and the Clinton Foundation has been shut down you can't even admit it. You just say "Hillary is old news" lol.

I don't think there is anything here with Russia. Good thing you armchair warriors are here to flame war about it though in case I'm wrong.

I guess you'll be the first ones put to death when the Russians peruse our browsing history after they've overthrown Democracy. :)

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Friday, March 31, 2017 10:12 PM

DREAMTROVE


Jo

Alex is an opportunist. He was a conspiracy theorist for Ron Paul, and now he's re-invented himself as pro-Trump, because that's what sells, which is all he cares about.

Russia is not the enemy. Russia has been at our side in every major conflict. They even bowed out of Vietnam so as not to oppose us. We signed a treaty of alliance with them in 1991, reaffirming our commitment. As colonies, we opened relations in 1698 struck a trade deal in 1763, and we've been allies since 1775, when they helped back us in overthrowing British rule.

This hysteria is really asking for a new cold war, all in efforts to scuttle an oil deal which would render the US energy independent for the first time since WWII. Deal with who would want to do that and why.

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Saturday, April 1, 2017 11:55 AM

JO753

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
We have different opinions of what is real and what is fake



Opinionz based on nothing or liez are worthless.

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You guys didn't even look at the DNC links when they were out there.


I did. Bernie got screwed. We got screwed. The entire election prosess iz krap so we usually get lame to rotten candidates.

Do you think therez an equivelent level uv rot between the GoPs and the Demz?

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-scandals-risk-inuring-a
mericans-to-government-corruption-910757443621?cid=eml_mra_20170331




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Saturday, April 1, 2017 12:12 PM

SIGNYM

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Do you think therez an equivelent level uv rot between the GoPs and the Demz?
Absolutely.

The DNC - at least, under the Clinton regime, was "for" transnationals, big banks, the Saudis, neocons, the deep state, and any corrupt organization (like anything funded by Soros) that would forward their goals. Bill personally was probably involved in pedophilia ("Lolita Express", Jeffrey Epstein, and his "Orgy Island").

The Clinton Foundation received tens of millions from the Saudis, the Clintons skimmed hundreds million or so from "aid for Haiti" (Some say a billion http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437883/hillarys-america-secret-h
istory-democratic-party-dinesh-dsouza-clinton-foundation
) and Hillary herself has been implicated in various scandals including one where she erased 33,000 "personal email" about "yoga" and "the wedding" from an illegal server which also contained State Department emails.

The DNC - including Debbie W and Donna B - torpedoed a viable, reasonable candidate to support the corrupt hag for President, which makes them just as corrupt as she is.

And the Podestas are an ethical nightmare.

The DNC as a whole forgot middle, working-class Americans in favor of big donors, and sought to ride to power on a pastiche of various self-identified victim groups.

Hey, that's pretty corrupt in my book. Lying to their constituents, lining their pockets, diddling children, promoting war, counting on illegal immigrants to eventually bolster their base. And that's not even counting what Obama did. How corrupt do you have to be before you're considered hopelessly corrupt?


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THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Saturday, April 1, 2017 12:28 PM

6STRINGJOKER


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Originally posted by JO753:
Do you think therez an equivelent level uv rot between the GoPs and the Demz?



Yes I do.


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Saturday, April 1, 2017 1:00 PM

JO753

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Alex is an opportunist. He was a conspiracy theorist for Ron Paul, and now he's re-invented himself as pro-Trump, because that's what sells, which is all he cares about.



Then he iz a great actor. Remember hiz appearens on Piers Morgan'z show about gunz? Looked like he wuz going to hav a hart attak!

Even if he iz just acting, it makes no differens - he iz still spredding liez and being believed by millionz uv gulliblz.

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Russia is not the enemy.


I suppoze most Russianz woud be happy to be frendz with America, but they dont get much say in how Putin dealz with us.

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This hysteria is really asking for a new cold war, all in efforts to scuttle an oil deal which would render the US energy independent for the first time since WWII. Deal with who would want to do that and why.


Its not hysteria. Putin did attack the US and got a puppet into the Oval Offis. Arguing about the mekaniks uv the election prosess iz a straw man.

Everything Trump haz dun haz helped Putin'z ajenda wun way or another.

So, wuts this oil deal?

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Saturday, April 1, 2017 1:07 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Putin did attack the US - JO
Oh bullshit.

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THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Saturday, April 1, 2017 1:15 PM

6STRINGJOKER


There's nothing to argue but allegations J0.

So no, I'm not going to bother arguing it either.

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Saturday, April 1, 2017 3:38 PM

DREAMTROVE


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Originally posted by JO753:
Then he iz a great actor.


Probably. I went to the Bilderberg protest with his, he'd walk right up to guys with assault rifles, with sniper sites on him, and call them Nazis to their faces. I think it was only half a setup. That said, his political points of view are ruled by expedience.

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Even if he iz just acting, it makes no differens - he iz still spredding liez and being believed by millionz uv gulliblz.

And people believe Maddow.

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I suppoze most Russianz woud be happy to be frendz with America, but they dont get much say in how Putin dealz with us.

The younger generation is unhappy, the older people are not. By comparison with Russia's history, he's a bastion of freedom.
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So, wuts this oil deal?

Exxon found huge oil reserves in the arctic on the continental shelf, estimated to be around $20T. Maddow mentioned this at some point, putting the figure at $500B. Anyway, that water is full of Russian ships, and most of it is Russian water. So Exxon CEO Tillerson said "Hey, newly elected Trump, sorry I didn't support you during the campaign but if you make me Sec of State I'll do this one item foreign policy platform

But it beats the hell out of Arab Spring as a foreign policy.

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Saturday, April 1, 2017 3:43 PM

DREAMTROVE


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Originally posted by THGRRI:

You're a moron
You're a moron
You're a moron
You're a moron
I'm a deep state troll


Fixed that for yaway to win an argument

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Saturday, April 1, 2017 3:45 PM

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Saturday, April 1, 2017 5:36 PM

JO753

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Putin did attack the US - JO
Oh bullshit.



Earth to Siggy!

Not even Trump iz denying it now. He haz retreated to downplaying it and trying to hide hiz partisipation.

I assume 6string iz up there in the same orbiting capsule, so wake him up & brake the newz to him jently.

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Saturday, April 1, 2017 5:51 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Not even Trump iz denying it now- JO
Either you're confused or I am.

What is "it"?

That "Russia attacked the United States"? (really??)

That prostitutes peed on Trump?

That some of his staff talked to Russian diplomats and businessmen?

That Wikileaks released some Podesta email content?

Your view of "it" is so amorphous and so vague that I don't know what you're even posting about, and I doubt you do either. It's like some big mass of jelly.

Hey, give some shape to your thoughts because I literally have no idea what to respond to.


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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Saturday, April 1, 2017 5:58 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Putin did attack the US - JO
Oh bullshit.



Earth to Siggy!

Not even Trump iz denying it now. He haz retreated to downplaying it and trying to hide hiz partisipation.

I assume 6string iz up there in the same orbiting capsule, so wake him up & brake the newz to him jently.






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SIG says I'm a deep state troll. oh my.


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Saturday, April 1, 2017 8:41 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Not even Trump iz denying it now. He haz retreated to downplaying it and trying to hide hiz partisipation.

I assume 6string iz up there in the same orbiting capsule, so wake him up & brake the newz to him jently.



Really? I don't see anything confirming this on his Twitter account.

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Saturday, April 1, 2017 10:41 PM

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SJWs have an inside line. They listen to the filter. It tells them things. Like Maneki Neko

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Sunday, April 2, 2017 12:52 AM

JO753

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So she haz a bag uv tricks! xanks for the hedz up.

I figured it wuz an attempt to waste my time repeating a bunch uv stuf, like she cant just scroll up and read it.

Siggy - you are not shovelling agenst the tide on this now, you are shovelling agenst a tsunami. You dont want to wait too long and get washed away by it.

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Sunday, April 2, 2017 2:36 AM

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Sunday, April 2, 2017 12:45 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Blaming Russia For Everything

Authored by Robert Parry via The Strategic Culture Foundation,

It’s almost getting comical how everything that happens in the United States gets blamed on Russia! Russia! Russia! And, if any American points out the absurdity of this argument, he or she must be a “Moscow stooge” or a “Putin puppet.”

When Sen. Marco Rubio’s presidential campaign fails seemingly because he was a wet-behind-the-ears candidate who performed like a robot during debates repeating the same talking points over and over, you might have cited those shortcomings to explain why “Little Marco” flamed out. However, if you did, that would make you a Russian “useful idiot”! The “real” reason for his failure, as we learned from Thursday’s Senate Intelligence Committee hearing, was Russia!

When Americans turned against President Obama’s Pacific trade deals, you might have thought that it was because people across the country had grown sick and tired of these neoliberal agreements that have left large swaths of the country deindustrialized and former blue-collar workers turning to opioids and alcohol. But if you did think that, that would mean you are a dupe of the clever Russkies. As Steele’s dossier explained, the rejection of Obama’s TPP and TTIP trade deals resulted from Russian propaganda!

When Hillary Clinton boots a presidential election that was literally hers to lose, you might have thought that she lost because she insisted on channeling her State Department emails through a private server that endangered national security; that she gave paid speeches to Wall Street and tried to hide the contents from the voters; that she called half of Donald Trump’s supporters “deplorables”; that she was a widely disliked establishment candidate in an anti-establishment year; that she was shoved down the throats of progressive Democrats by a Democratic Party hierarchy that made her nomination “inevitable” via the undemocratic use of unelected “super-delegates”; that some of her State Department emails were found on the laptop of suspected sex offender Anthony Weiner (the husband of Clinton’s close aide Huma Abedin); and that the laptop discovery caused FBI Director James Comey to briefly reopen the investigation of Clinton’s private email server in the last days of the campaign.

You might even recall that Clinton herself blamed her late collapse in the polls on Comey’s announcement, as did other liberal luminaries such as New York Times columnist Paul Krugman.

But if you thought those thoughts or remembered those memories, that is just more proof that you are a “Russian mole”!

As we all should know in our properly restructured memory banks and our rearranged sense of reality, it was all Russia’s fault!

Russia did it by undermining our democratic process through the clever means of releasing truthful information via WikiLeaks that provided evidence of how the Democratic National Committee rigged the nomination process against Sen. Bernie Sanders, revealed the contents of Clinton’s hidden Wall Street speeches, and exposed pay-to-play features of the Clinton Foundation in its dealings with foreign entities.

You see the evil Russians undermined American democracy by arming the American people with truthful information! How dastardly is that! Could Boris and Natasha do any better or worse? And although the Soviet spies in FX’s “The Americans” were in their prime in the 1980s and would be pretty old by now, do we know where they are in the present day?

Though WikiLeaks denies getting the two batches of emails – the DNC’s and Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s – from the Russians, have we ruled out that the emails might have been slipped to WikiLeaks by the FX characters Philip and Elizabeth Jennings, presumably in disguise?

... But if you make that comparison or you note how the U.S. Agency for International Development and the U.S. government-funded National Endowment for Democracy have supported various “independent” journalists and news outlets to advance U.S. propaganda, that makes you guilty of “moral equivalence,” another serious offense.
Crazy Talk

So now that you know how the game is played, you had the Senate Intelligence Committee eliciting testimony from people like media watcher Clint Watts, who seems to believe that any criticism of a U.S. government official (at least anyone he likes) must be directed by Russia!

“This past week we observed social media accounts discrediting U.S. Speaker of the House Paul Ryan,” said Watts, who is billed in The Washington Post as “an expert in terrorism forecasting and Russian influence operations.”

Gee, I know you might say that you went on Facebook last week to criticize Ryan for bungling the “repeal and replace” of Obamacare by proposing a scheme that managed to alienate both right-wing and moderate Republicans as well as all Democrats.

But that only proves you are indeed a Russian disinformation agent! (Watts also claimed that Sen. Rubio’s presidential bid “anecdotally suffered” from an online Russian campaign against him.)

As Watts describes these nefarious Russian schemes, they are so nefarious that they don’t have any discernible earmarks or detectable predictability. In his view, the Russians don’t want to help any particular person or group, just undermine America’s faith in its democracy.

As Watts puts it, Russians attack “people on both sides of the aisle … solely based on what they [the Russians] want to achieve in their own landscape, whatever the Russian foreign policy objectives are. They win because they play both sides.” In other words, any political comment that an American might make might just prove that you’re a traitor.

But Watts singled out President Trump for special criticism because he supposedly has tweeted about Russian-planted conspiracy theories. “Part of the reason active measures have worked in this U.S. election is because the commander-in-chief has used Russian active measure at times against his opponent,” Watts said, citing Trump’s bogus claims about 2016 voter fraud and his earlier silliness about President Obama’s Kenyan birthplace. Yes, as we all know, every goofy idea is manufactured in Russia. Americans are incapable of developing their own nonsense.

Watts then suggested that some kind of Ministry of Truth is needed to stamp out unapproved information. “Until we get a firm basis on fact and fiction in our own country, … we’re going to have a big problem,” Watts said. He warned of a dangerous future from Russian information: “Somewhere in their cache right now there’s tremendous amounts of information laying around they can weaponize against other Americans.”

Perhaps what is even more frightening than the Russians letting Americans in on how Washington’s political process really works – by somehow slipping WikiLeaks some evidence of Democratic Party bigwigs tilting the Democratic primaries to ensure Clinton’s nomination and revealing what Clinton told those Wall Street bankers – is the idea that the U.S. government should be enlisted to enforce what Americans get to see and hear.

Watts and his alarums showed up in another context in the weeks after the 2016 election when The Washington Post ran a front-page story highlighting the claims by an anonymous group, PropOrNot, which was pushing a blacklist of 200 Internet news sites, including such independent sources of information as Counterpunch, Truthdig, Naked Capitalism, Zero Hedge, Truth-out and Consortiumnews.

The Washington Post building in downtown Washington, D.C. (Photo credit: Washington Post)

Though the Post granted PropOrNot anonymity so it could safely slander independent-minded journalists, the Post turned to Watts to bolster PropOrNot’s case. “They [the Russians] want to essentially erode faith in the U.S. government or U.S. government interests,” Watts said. “This was their standard mode during the Cold War. The problem is that this was hard to do before social media.”

The Post then linked to an article that Watts had co-authored entitled, “Trolling for Trump: How Russia Is Trying to Destroy Our Democracy.” which, in turn, cited as proof RT articles that mentioned Hillary Clinton’s health problem last September (which was later acknowledged to be a bout with pneumonia) and that discussed the vulnerabilities of the Federal Reserve (in an age of escalating public and private debt). Both might seem to you like reasonable topics for journalists, but you must understand that RT – because it is Russian-sponsored – has become the favorite whipping boy of anyone trying to make the case that America is besieged by Russian propaganda. And don’t you dare mention that almost no one in America actually watches RT or you might end up on PropOrNot’s list, too.

Watts and his cohorts continue: “Social issues currently provide a useful window for Russian messaging. Police brutality, racial tensions, protests, anti-government standoffs, online privacy concerns, and alleged government misconduct are all emphasized to magnify their scale and leveraged to undermine the fabric of society.”

And, we know for sure that you’re a Russian agent if you express any concern that the heightened tensions between the U.S. and Russia might lead to nuclear war. As Watts and friends write, “More recently, Moscow turned to stoking fears of nuclear war between the United States and Russia” – and their “proof” was a link not to RT but to the financial Web site, Zero Hedge, which already had made it onto PropOrNot’s black list.

So, let’s see if we got this right: We are not to worry our pretty little heads about nuclear war or a future financial meltdown or police brutality toward racial minorities or race relations in general or armed right-wing clashes with authorities or spying on our Internet use or any government wrongdoing at all or even citizen protests against that wrongdoing. Because if we debate such issues – if we even read about such issues – we are playing into Vladimir Putin’s evil plans.
What Democracy?

Which makes me wonder what kind of “democracy” these brave “defenders of democracy” have in mind. The New York Times, The Washington Post and some establishment-approved Internet sites already have begun work on establishing standards for what information the American people will be allowed to see and hear – with disapproved sources of news marginalized by Internet search engines or prevented from earning any money by exclusion from Google and other ad programs.

U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell presents a dummy vial of anthrax on Feb. 5, 2003, during a speech to the UN Security Council outlining the American case that Iraq possessed forbidden stockpiles of WMD

Presumably, the 200 or so Web sites on PropOrNot’s black list would be the first cut for the new Ministry of Truth since many of them have published articles that raised questions about the accuracy of claims made by the U.S. State Department or they have expressed the belief that there may be two sides to complex issues – when Americans are supposed to hear only the side that Official Washington wants them to hear.

Some of these “Russian propaganda” Web sites – prior to the Iraq War – even raised doubts about the U.S. government’s certainty that Saddam Hussein had stockpiles of WMDs. Thank goodness the Internet wasn’t as widely used back then or perhaps many Americans would have doubted the truth-telling by The New York Times and The Washington Post, which dutifully passed on the U.S. government’s pronouncements about Hussein’s secret WMDs.

Surely, in 2002-03, the Russians must have been behind the resistance by those few Web sites to the WMD group think that all the respectable people just knew to be true. How else can you explain the skepticism? And maybe Russia was responsible for the U.S. government’s failure to find any of those WMD stockpiles. Curse you, Russia!

With the Senate Intelligence Committee’s hearing on Thursday, this determination to squelch any dissenting American views as “Russian disinformation” moved up a notch, beyond some think-tank chatter, some newspaper articles or some initial planning for private-sector censorship.

The craziness has now become the focus of an official Senate investigation into Russian “meddling” in American political life. We have taken another step down the path of a New Cold War that blends a New McCarthyism with a New Orwellianism.



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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Monday, April 3, 2017 3:24 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
So she haz a bag uv tricks! xanks for the hedz up.
I figured it wuz an attempt to waste my time repeating a bunch uv stuf, like she cant just scroll up and read it.
Siggy - you are not shovelling agenst the tide on this now, you are shovelling agenst a tsunami. You dont want to wait too long and get washed away by it.

JO, when did you turn into jerk?

For your information, I DID "scroll up" and you haven't posted much of anything that could possibly be described as "it".

Here, shall I summarize what you posted?

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ABOUT THE CRAWL ...
I hav found that you can read the crawl at the bottom wen she'z repeating to help make it less excruciating.

HANDCUFFS AS INVESTMENTS
More JO investment advice: Any handcuff company. The FBI will be stocking up for the big Trump administration roundup. Its not going to be a mere perp wok, its going to be a perp parade!

THE DANGER WITH DONALD'S FANS BEING DISAPPOINTGED
Therez a serious danjer here. Wen The Donald fantasy bubble gets popped, how are theze rabid idiots going to react? The last big fantasy bubble pop wuz real estate/Wall Street. Rekt the world economy. Left us teetering on the ej uv the biggest depression in American history....

ABOUT THE REDDIT LINK YOU POSTED
Do either uv you ever bother to look at the stuff linked to?

AND RACHEL MADDOW
I dont dislike Rachel herself, just her bad habit uv repeating way too much. In her mania to be thuro, she sumtimez derailz her prezentation.

ABOUT SIFTING THE TRUTH
How do you know wich iz wich? Are you an insider?

LES LEOPOLD ...
Its Les Leopold and the book iz The Looting of America. He haz ritten another book sins then that I shoud get.
Just fixed the smart fone problem. Turned out to be pretty eazy. Just added "white-space: nowrap" to the CSS code. Now the text duznt get extruded under everything at the bottom.

YOUR SNARK ABOUT ME
Therez your problem. Infuzing your info with wakko conspirasy theoryz and blatantly partisan propaganda cant help but mix you up. Do you also pump diesel into your gas tank occasionally just to be fair and balansed?


AND SNARKING SIX, AND SOME CRAP ABOUT REPUBLICANS
Sorry 6string, he'z got you there. Willfully ignoring information can make anyboody look like a moron. Herez sum Alex Jonez for you. Take note uv wut he sez beginning at 4:10: Clever propagandists stir in enuf truth and lojik to penetrate your defensez agenst the lie they want you to believe. Like poizon, you dont just give sumwun a glass uv it kuz they are likely to take a sniff and realize its not grape joos. Wut haz happened over the last decade iz that the Republican sitizenz hav developed such a tolerans, even a taste for the poizon that Fox et al hardly haf to dilute the liez at all, so wen they or sum other entity, such az RT, duz blend it in with sumthing, it can seem like completely untainted unbiased truth.

The GoP haz made it eazy for America'z enemyz. They divided, Putin wants to conquer.

ABOUT BERNIE SANDERS AND THE DNC
Opinionz based on nothing or liez are worthless.
I did. Bernie got screwed. We got screwed. The entire election prosess iz krap so we usually get lame to rotten candidates.
Do you think therez an equivelent level uv rot between the GoPs and the Demz?

ALEX JONES ...
Then he iz a great actor. Remember hiz appearens on Piers Morgan'z show about gunz? Looked like he wuz going to hav a hart attak!
Even if he iz just acting, it makes no differens - he iz still spredding liez and being believed by millionz uv gulliblz.
I suppoze most Russianz woud be happy to be frendz with America, but they dont get much say in how Putin dealz with us.

ABOUT PUTIN, FINALLY!
Its not hysteria. Putin did attack the US and got a puppet into the Oval Offis. Arguing about the mekaniks uv the election prosess iz a straw man.
Everything Trump haz dun haz helped Putin'z ajenda wun way or another.
So, wuts this oil deal?

AND YOUR REFERENCE TO "IT"
Earth to Siggy! Not even Trump iz denying it now. He haz retreated to downplaying it and trying to hide hiz partisipation. I assume 6string iz up there in the same orbiting capsule, so wake him up & brake the newz to him jently.

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Now, you said Not even Trump is denying it!

Quite frankly, I doubt that Trump would characterize whatever "Russia" did as an "attack". Your statement is so overblown and so unsupported that I just can't imagine that anyone should take "it" seriously, not even you.

And if you do, and you expect anyone else to do the same, you REALLY need to provide a lot more evidence, both for the so-called "attacks" AND for Trump's so-called acceptance of such. So, as I asked: Please clarify your thoughts.



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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Monday, April 3, 2017 10:14 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Hey GSTRING troll! Yanno how I called you a LIAR not one short day ago??? Well, here is the proof that you lie: thanks for putting words in my mouth and lying about my intentions.

But two can play at that game, GSTRING! It is a poor player indeed who creates such paltry diversions ...
Quote:

That's SIG-Speak for: "You're still too stupid. Type more!"- GSTRING
How about .... That's GSTRING-SPEAK FOR OMG, I might lose a brainless ally! Must smear the other side before JO starts thinking!

Quote:

"You REALLY need to provide more evidence!"= GSTRING
GSTRING-SPEAK for Forget the real world! Just go with your "gut"! So forge on ahead ... over that cliff! Never have to take the real world into account... AGAIN!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Quote:

Jo - after seeing her type and type for over 2 years about such obvious things, the only thing that makes sense is she's paid by the word and post, because she's not made a single worthy point, nor made a single convert, and never "won" an argument or even slowed a discussion to ponder. Obviously, you'll be your best judge.
is GSTRING-SPEAK FOR After seeing "my" side reduced to zombies who openly advocate WWIII and the remainder bow out of "russian hysteria", I need someone who seems reasonable but who is willing to parrot the MSM. JO753, come to the dark side and never have to be uncertain again. I will tell you what to think and personally attack those ask that for evidence of reality!



See? So much more entertaining!

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Monday, April 3, 2017 10:57 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


xanks, G. I red the Russian Trollz topic. LOTS uv interesting stuff!

Siggy - Sorry about your kidz.

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Monday, April 3, 2017 11:46 AM

JO753

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In that topic, 2nd sez sumthing important about why we are FF fanz, part uv it being that thoze running this world really dont giv a dam about us.

I think its not so simple.

Bush, Mao, Kennedy, Clinton, Reagan, Hitler, Lincoln, Putin, Churchill, Stalin, Obama, Washington... everybody. Saints and monsterz?

How do you manaj millionz uv animalz that hav az much potential power az you? How do you make the goverment work for everybody az much az possible?

I think its alwayz a selection uv bad choisez. Sum are less obvious than otherz. The leaderz dont alwayz make the best choise. Sum leaderz kuz they arent smart enuf, otherz kuz they are monsterz, otherz are stupid monsterz.

Trying to balans the greater good, the survival uv the goverment, and compassion for individualz coud overwelm anybody.



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Monday, April 3, 2017 11:47 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Did it never occur to you, JO, that G is a deep-state troll?

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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Monday, April 3, 2017 4:38 PM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Did it never occur to you, JO, that G is a deep-state troll?



JO, For clafication, he's not. He's Pizmo's sockpuppet. Sorry man, but htis was by ways of being a defense.

Sig, get ahold of yourself. You just flamed your own post. That's Citizen territory right there.

G, You too. The goal isn't to become the opponent.

I think the moral high ground* which lately I've been giving to River, for this thread goes to Jo. It def doesn't go to Dreamtroll.

*in the absence of HK, Chrisisall, Bytemite, CTS, etc.

Oh, we're pretty bad. Factually, i agree with Sig, but overall, there's not a side in this particular argument I would want to be on.

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Monday, April 3, 2017 4:52 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


After all, JO, look at who GSTRING hangs out with:

THUGR, who posts such gems as
Quote:

The noose is tightening around Russias' neck. Exciting isn't it...

And ... I recently saw documents where SIG was interviewed about what it is like being a Russian troll. Later in the interview she also revealed she is a Hermaphrodite. She explained this is the main reason for her trolling on the internet. She was picked on as a child, hates herself, and can't stop masturbating. The interview was really quite illuminating.

And ... All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

Does that sound like a balanced, rational person to you?

And then there is DULLBADWUSS ("SHINYGOODGUY") who, like THUGR, posts such gems as
Quote:

Russian Troll Bots are alive and well and posting right here in River City, with a capital P, that stands for pricks and Puttie too. Sick fucks anonymous!

And ... TREASONOUS SCUMBAGS ALL - FUCK 'EM, Hang them HIGH!

And ...FUCK YOU and THE BROOMSTICK YOU FLEW IN ON!

and ...Roger Ramjet, over and out! FUCK YEAH Reaverfan!!!
Treasonous behavior deserves the utmost in death!

and ... Death to the "Benedict Arnolds" or, in this case, the Trumpsters in the White House. I wish it was Obama who "tapped" his dumb ass!


And my personal favorite .... GO suck Elephant dick!

Another unbalanced person. Maybe the same unbalanced person?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Monday, April 3, 2017 10:53 PM

JO753

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I hav no problem with forum memberz getting nasty, but I dont partisipate beyond an occasional well dezerved insult.

Aside from being agenst the rulez in most forumz, it really hurts the offenderz reputation insted uv the resipient.

Reveal foolishness with lojik. Debunk liez. Then you win.

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Monday, April 3, 2017 10:56 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
I hav no problem with forum memberz getting nasty, but I dont partisipate beyond an occasional well dezerved insult.

Aside from being agenst the rulez in most forumz, it really hurts the offenderz reputation insted uv the resipient.

Reveal foolishness with lojik. Debunk liez. Then you win.



That's all true, especially the second sentence.


Where it starts getting hairy is deciding what is truth and what is lies.


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