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Saturday, January 14, 2017 10:44 AM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by G:
Hate to say it, but this is a dead end without any legal mandates. And just thinking of how it could possibly work in real life it's just damn impossible to do or monitor. Would someone sit in on his visits and phone calls so he doesn't talk business with his kids or some other legal estate guardian? It's not going to happen, this is going to die like many other road blocks, er, acts of wishful retaliation.



Not sure how but I think he'll get caught everybody's watching.

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Saturday, January 14, 2017 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Let's just be honest here Second...

I know in your mind, it's a much different story, but just take a step back and show a little empathy. Believe it or not, just about half of the country was as unhappy about Obama 8 years ago as you are about Trump right now.

I hope you're wrong about Trump. This was the first time I voted for a President and was actually kind of excited about it. I do not consider myself a stupid or gullible person.

J.D. Vance, a Republican in a family of Trump voters, explains Trump to cleveland.com. I think J.D. knows Trump. Maybe J.D. can explain Trump to you so you understand Trump the way I do?

www.cleveland.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/12/hillbilly_elegy_author_jd
_vanc.html


cleveland.com : You said you expected Trump to win the nomination. What did you see that we missed?

J.D. Vance: I've been arguing for four or five years that the Republican party has to get better when it comes to working-class policy. I have been waiting for someone to come along and tap into that very real frustration that exists in a very large segment of the working-class Republican base. And no one had done it until Donald Trump. I very clearly saw a void, and I knew somebody would fill it. And the moment I knew he had filled it, I knew he would win the nomination.

cleveland.com : You're a Republican, but you didn't vote for Trump. Why not? (Vance instead voted for Evan McMullin, an independent candidate supported by anti-Trump conservatives.)

JDV: A couple of reasons. He used rhetoric that's not in the best interest of the party or country. I happen to think that conservatism, when properly applied to the 21st Century, could actually help everybody. And the message of Trump's campaign was obviously not super-appealing to Latino Americans, black Americans and so forth. That really bothered me.

In some ways even more importantly than that, while I think Trump had clearly diagnosed very real problems, I didn't see any real evidence that he had much in the way of positive solutions that would address a lot of these concerns. ... I'm sort of taking a wait-and-see approach, but if he doesn't provide solutions, that's going to leave people in an even worse position than they were four years ago.

cleveland.com : One writer (Salena Zito, in a piece for The Atlantic) observed that Trump's working-class supporters took him seriously, but not literally. Is that an apt analysis?

JDV: I think it's very perceptive. Almost my entire family voted for Trump. I love them dearly. I think it very well describes what they saw when they watched Donald Trump. There's an element where it's like, 'Can people not take a joke?'

A lot of people listen to Donald Trump and they think, 'Of course a guy who talks like that is not being serious. Of course we're not going to deport 12 million people. Of course we're not going to ban an entire religion from coming into the country. He's clearly just spouting off, so we're going to give him a pass on that.'

cleveland.com : What ideally will your new Ohio organization accomplish? What's the mission?

JDV: I have this metaphor in the book: We shouldn't be thinking about whether we can completely solve problems. We should be thinking about whether we can put our thumb on the scale to make them better. I always think we're going to have domestic violence. We're always going to have people addicted to drugs. But I think maybe we can get some of these trends moving in the opposite direction. The big picture is that I want to work on a few of the problems identified in the book and how we might start to make things a little bit better. . . .

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, January 14, 2017 12:09 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Not sold.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, January 14, 2017 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Not sold.

I'm not taking J.D.Vance's wait-and-see approach because I'm familiar with Little Trump wannabes in Texas. They disappointed me, so I'm hostile toward Big Trump.

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Saturday, January 14, 2017 1:35 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


That's what I'm doing is all I'm saying.

I'm sure there were people outside of the RWED the last 8 years trying to convince you that Obama was a terrible president, but you didn't listen after 8 years. There were plenty of articles about it.

I'm not about to change my mind about Trump because some random republican didn't vote for Trump, cause "reasons".

He's not even President yet. You're just pissin' in my Corn Flakes right now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, January 15, 2017 8:33 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'm not about to change my mind about Trump because some random republican didn't vote for Trump, cause "reasons".

He's not even President yet. You're just pissin' in my Corn Flakes right now.

And maybe a Nigerian emailer really did pay off someone, somewhere, who dared to respond.

Trump was spouting bull even in 1973 when he sued the US Government for $100 million. He lost but Trump showed the world who he really was long before 6ixStringJack was born. Meet Donald Trump - 1973 www.nytimes.com/times-insider/2015/07/30/1973-meet-donald-trump/

President-elect Donald Trump (Alec Baldwin) holds his first press conference since getting elected.


Real Donald Trump press conferences are a satire, too!



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Monday, January 16, 2017 7:49 AM

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Trump vows ‘insurance for everybody’ in Obamacare replacement plan

His health care plan, which is almost down to the "final strokes," will provide "insurance for everyone."

I can't wait to see Trump's health care plan, which is apparently going to provide far better coverage than Obamacare and cost a lot less. Whatever it turns out to be, I'll bet Democrats will be kicking themselves for not thinking of it first.

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-vows-insurance-for-everybody-in-
obamacare-replacement-plan/2017/01/15/5f2b1e18-db5d-11e6-ad42-f3375f271c9c_story.html


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Monday, January 16, 2017 8:08 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


And here's a video of Barack Obama whining about White Privlige in his hometown...



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, January 16, 2017 8:18 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I don't know... I couldn't be arsed to watch it. I was really just making a joke about showing videos that are older than I am.

Kind of funny seeing him smoking cigarettes though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, January 17, 2017 2:44 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Ahhhhh, BoonesFarm Apple Wine......puff, puff...pass!


SGG


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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Not to worry............Trump is going to do something so Constitutionally stupid that he's going to get Impeached for being to stupid fuck that he is.

Plain and simple; he will join Nixon in the annals of Stupid Fucking Moves...........End of Story.




I'd buy some of that. I joked with my wife that he might not make it to his inauguration (and he still might not). But that might have been the Boonesfarm talking.


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Tuesday, January 17, 2017 4:00 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by G:
I thought it was weed - seriously. If I go to Africa I'm gonna partake.



Nothing wrong with weed.

It's on the top of my to-do list when I get a decent job and don't have to worry about drug tests anymore.

I'm much more agreeable when I'm high.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, January 17, 2017 6:44 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And here's a video of Barack Obama whining about White Privilege in his hometown...

I celebrate Rich Privilege! Did you know what privilege Trump receives for killing Obamacare? A personal tax cut worth millions every year for the rest of his life! That is why Trump is so eager to repeal -- he gets paid to repeal.

Trump’s taxes change from 18.8% to 15% on investment income in excess of $200,000 ($250,000 filing jointly); from 23.8% to 20% in excess of $418,400 ($470,700 joint) — so basically Trump gets a $3.8 million tax break on each additional $100 million in dividends and capital gains that he earns.
https://andrewtobias.com/the-russia-thing-just-keeps-growing/

President Obama and the congressional Democrats who wrote Obamacare didn’t find the money for those subsidies hidden in a banana stand — they did what Democrats like to do when paying for things and raised taxes on affluent families.

Republicans do not like this idea. They dislike the idea of raising taxes on wealthy households so much that back in 2011, they pushed the country to the brink of defaulting on the national debt rather than agree to rescind George W. Bush’s high-end tax cuts. In December 2012, they tried to insist that they wouldn’t let Obama extend the portion of the Bush tax cuts that everyone (including rich people) got unless he also extended the tax cuts that only rich people got.

All of which is to say that despite Democrats’ occasional protestations of bafflement as to why the GOP would so uniformly oppose a market-based approach to universal health care that Mitt Romney happily adopted in the mid-aughts in Massachusetts, there’s no real mystery here. Subsidizing the health care costs of working-class people is expensive, and while Democrats want rich people to pay the freight for doing it, Republicans do not.

That’s an important reason why they opposed the Affordable Care Act, it’s an important reason why they want to repeal it, it’s an important reason why they can’t replace it with something better, and it’s also an important reason why they may end up just dropping the whole idea of repeal.

The tax issue is the $500 billion elephant in the room. It’s a key reason GOP leaders want repeal, a key reason GOP leaders have trouble agreeing on a replacement, and potentially a key reason they’ll ultimately decide to move on to other matters. Talking about health care politics without talking about the revenue side misses an enormous part of the story.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/17/14263918/affordable-care-act
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Tuesday, January 17, 2017 10:55 AM

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www.gocomics.com/nickanderson/2017/01/17


Trump questioned Obama’s legitimacy many, many times.
www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/donald-trump-birther/

Trump Dropped his False ‘Birther’ Theory, but Floated a New One: Clinton Started It
www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/us/politics/donald-trump-birther-obama.html

Mr. Trump made no apology for and took no questions about what had amounted to a five-year-long smear of the nation’s first black president. Instead, he claimed, falsely, that questions about Mr. Obama’s citizenship were initially stirred by the Democratic presidential nominee, Hillary Clinton, in her unsuccessful primary contest against Mr. Obama in 2008.

Still, Mr. Trump’s brief remarks, tacked on to the end of a campaign appearance with military veterans at his new hotel in downtown Washington, represented a sharp reversal from a position he had publicly maintained, over howls of outrage from all but the far-right extreme of the political spectrum, since 2011.

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Wednesday, January 18, 2017 6:06 AM

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How Jokes Won the Election

How do you fight an enemy who’s just kidding?
By Emily Nussbaum
www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/23/how-jokes-won-the-election

When Vladimir Putin was elected President, in 2000, one of his first acts was to kill “Kukly,” a sketch puppet show that portrayed him as Little Tsaches, a sinister baby who uses a “magic TV comb” to bewitch a city. Putin threatened to wreck the channel, NTV, unless it removed the puppet. NTV refused. Within months, it was under state control. According to Newsweek, “Putin jokes quickly vanished from Russia’s television screens.”

Soon after Trump was elected, he, too, began complaining about a sketch show: “Saturday Night Live,” which portrayed him as a preening fool, Putin’s puppet. His tweets lost the shape of jokes, unless you count “not!” as a kicker. He was reportedly meeting with Rupert Murdoch about who should head the F.C.C. Soon, Trump would be able to shape deals like the A.T. & T. and Time Warner merger, to strike back at those who made fun of him or criticized him, which often amounted to the same thing. Fox would likely be Trump TV.

Last week, at his first press conference as President-elect, Trump made no jokes. He was fuming over the BuzzFeed dossier and all those lurid allegations worthy of “South Park,” the pee jokes lighting up Twitter. Only when he reminisced about his rallies did he relax, recalling their size, the thrill of the call and response. He almost smiled. But when CNN’s Jim Acosta tried to ask a question about Russia, Trump snapped back, furiously, “Fake news!”—and the incoming White House press secretary, Sean Spicer, told Acosta that if he tried that again he’d be thrown out. Now, it seems, is when Trump gets serious. A President pushes buttons in a different sense. As Putin once remarked to a child, “Russia’s borders don’t end anywhere”—before adding, “That’s a joke.”

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Wednesday, January 18, 2017 8:25 AM

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Retweeting Donald Trump
www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/opinion/retweeting-donald-trump.html

Trump has shown himself incapable of turning the other cheek and converting doubters into allies.

Trump tweets that sound magnanimous would have generated a flood of good will and it would have cost Trump nothing. Some hypothetical examples:

1) What if, after Meryl Streep used her acceptance speech at the Golden Globes to decry Trump’s cruel impersonation of a handicapped reporter, Trump — instead of ridiculously calling her “one of the most overrated actresses in Hollywood” — had tweeted: “Meryl Streep, greatest actress ever, ever, ever. Stuff happens in campaigns, Meryl. Even I have regrets. But watch, I’ll make you proud of my presidency!!!!”

2) What if, after John Lewis, the congressman and civil rights hero, questioned the legitimacy of Trump’s election, Trump hadn’t sneered that Lewis was “all talk, talk, talk” and “should spend more time on fixing and helping his district, which is in horrible shape.” What if Trump instead tweeted: “John Lewis, a great American, let’s walk together through your district and develop a plan to improve people’s lives there.”

3) What if on New Year’s Trump — instead of tweeting “Happy New Year to all, including to my many enemies” who “lost so badly they just don’t know what to do” — had tweeted: “Happy New Year to every American — especially to Hillary Clinton and her supporters who fought a tough campaign — very tough. Let’s together make 2017 amazing (!!!!!!) for every American. Love!”

4) What if, after a cast member of the musical “Hamilton” appealed to Vice President-elect Mike Pence to “uphold our American values” and “work on behalf of all of us,” Trump — instead of denouncing the actor had instead tweeted: “To the cast of Hamilton: Appreciate your sincere concern for our country. When I am in the room where it happens, good stuff will happen. I will not throw away my shot to work on behalf of all of us!!!”

5) What if Trump — instead of calling Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer “head clown” — had tweeted: “Chuck, you are THE MAN!!! Top Democrat now that Obama’s gone!!! You love to deal. Send me your best health care experts and we’ll fix this thing together in 24 hours. Call me!!!”

The movie “Invictus” tells how Nelson Mandela, when he became South Africa’s president, built trust with the white community. Shortly after Mandela took power, his sports advisers wanted to change the name and colors of the country’s famed rugby team —the almost all-white “Springboks” — to something more reflective of black African identity.

Mandela refused. He told his aides that the key to making whites feel at home was not uprooting all of their cherished symbols. “We have to surprise them with restraint and generosity,” said Mandela.

Most Americans are good-hearted people who are actually starved to feel united again. Many who voted against Trump would have given him a second look had he surprised them with generosity and grace. He did just the opposite. Sad.

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Wednesday, January 18, 2017 2:04 PM

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Trump is sabotaging the GOP by nominating weak Cabinet members
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/18/14305814/betsy-devos-sabotag
e


Republicans should want someone conservative in the role of secretary of education, of course. But they should also want someone who looks smart, sharp, and competent discussing the issues in front of the cameras. Someone with a sympathetic story to tell about the role of education in their lives and with an unquestioned command of the subject matter. The kind of person you would say you respect even while disagreeing. Someone who can win over skeptics or smooth the edges off disagreement. Betsy DeVos is not like that at all, because she’s wholly unlike previous nominees who come from politics or public sector education policy work where they have to do this stuff all the time.

DeVos has real background in education policy, but it’s background as a donor to conservative education groups.

Having spent some time working for nonprofits over the course of my career, I can tell you that generous funders are without exception the kindest, smartest, most perceptive people you will ever meet. Their questions are all great, and their points are all brilliant. The lessons they learned doing whatever it is they did to get the money they are now giving away are all 100 percent relevant and applicable to whatever it is you are discussing right now. And yes that article they read last week really was brilliant and absolutely we should be doing more on that issue.

Which is just to say that rich donors live in a weird psychological bubble where everyone they talk to wants their money. Donors are never told their ideas are dumb, or they’ve waded into subjects they don’t understand, or it’s actually way more complicated than that, or that idea’s been tried a dozen times before and always failed. This is great preparation for calling in favors from United States senators who owe you, but it’s terrible preparation for the actual work of a public official — which involves a lot of tough questions and skeptical audiences and calming of people who are angry or upset.

Republicans are only cheating themselves

When I was in school, teachers often offered a cliché that DeVos may be familiar with, namely that those who cheat in school are at the end of the day only cheating themselves. The various quizzes and tests and homework exercises, after all, are there as assessment tools. The idea is that both you and the teacher need a valid indicator of how well you are doing so that you can improve your performance and learn. Faking your way through the tests may get you a passing grade but it won’t get you actual mastery of the subject matter. And in the broad sweep of life, nobody cares whether you got an A in 11th grade English — but they certainly do care whether you can write a coherent paragraph of English.

By the same token, the superficial appearance that the Senate confirmation process is a gauntlet in which the president and his party “win” if the nominee is confirmed and “lose” if the nomination dies is misleading.

At the end of the day there is going to be an education secretary, and that person is going to be a member of Trump’s administration. It’s in the Republican Party’s interest, more than anyone else, that that person be an effective member of the team. Shielding DeVos’s flaws from public scrutiny by scheduling an unusually brief hearing with limited questions at an odd time works well if your goal is to spare her embarrassment. By the same token, nobody can stop congressional Republicans from hustling Tom Price into office before anyone’s taken a rigorous look at his stock trading. The obviously unqualified Ben Carson seems to be a shoo-in at HUD.

But the GOP is only sabotaging itself by allowing Trump to draft this C-list roster. The president can’t be everywhere simultaneously — an effective Cabinet is how he extends his reach, influences more people, and get more done. Rushing weak candidates through is a good way to put points on the board, but only weakens their own administration in the long run.

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Thursday, January 19, 2017 7:49 AM

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www.gocomics.com/nickanderson/2017/01/18

Trump declares that he’ll give everyone coverage; Republicans explain that he didn’t mean that literally. Congressional Budget Office says the obvious, that repealing the Affordable Care Act would lead to immense hardship for tens of millions; Republicans declare that this is wrong, because they will come up with an alternative any day now — you know, the one they’ve been promising for 7 years.

Providing health care to those previously denied it is, necessarily, a matter of redistributing from the lucky to the unlucky. And, of course, reversing a policy that expanded health care is redistribution in reverse. You can’t make this reality go away.

Left to its own devices, a market economy won’t care for the sick unless they can pay for it; insurance can help up to a point, but insurance companies have no interest in covering people they suspect will get sick. So unfettered markets mean that health care goes only to those who are wealthy and/or healthy enough that they won’t need it often, and hence can get insurance.

If that’s a state of affairs you’re comfortable with, so be it.

Guaranteeing health care comes with a cost. You can tell insurance companies that they can’t discriminate based on medical history, but that means higher premiums for the healthy — and you also create an incentive to stay uninsured until or unless you get sick, which pushes premiums even higher. So you have to regulate individuals as well as insurers, requiring that everyone sign up — the mandate. And since some people won’t be able to obey such a mandate, you need subsidies, which must be paid for out of taxes.

Before the passage and implementation of the Affordable Care Act, Republicans could wave all this away by claiming that health reform could never work. And even now they’re busy telling lies about its collapse. But none of this will conceal mass loss of health care in the wake of Obamacare repeal.

What they’re left with is a health economics version of voodoo: they’ll invoke the magic of the market to somehow provide insurance so cheap that everyone will be able to afford it whatever their income and medical status. This is obvious nonsense; I think even Paul Ryan knows that he’s lying like a rug. But it’s all they’ve got.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/health-care-fundamentals/

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'He Is Going to Test Our Democracy as It Has Never Been Tested'
www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/john-dean-interview/51321
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Why Nixon's former lawyer John Dean worries Trump could be one of the most corrupt presidents ever—and get away with it

He’s profoundly pessimistic about the prospect of Trump facing any true accountability while in office. In the four decades since Nixon resigned, Dean says, the institutions that are meant to keep a president’s power in check—the press, Congress, even the courts—have been rendered increasingly weak and ineffectual by a sort of creeping partisan paralysis.

More broadly, Dean believes the American electorate has become desensitized to political scandal. In the years immediately following Watergate, he said, politicians were on high alert, and so was the public. But since then, that culture of vigilance has so eroded that it’s nearly impossible now to envision a sin so grave, or a revelation so explosive, that it would lead to the ouster of a sitting president.

Add to all this the realities of the current political landscape, and Dean says Trump will almost certainly weather whatever storms he faces during his presidency. “Unless Trump is a such a disaster that the public rises up and changes control of Congress in the mid-term elections, he is very safe.”

In Trump, Dean says he has observed many of his former boss’s most dangerous traits—obsessive vengefulness, reflexive dishonesty, all-consuming ambition—but none of Nixon’s redeeming qualities.

“I used to have one-on-one conversations with [Nixon] where I’d see him checking his more authoritarian tendencies,” Dean recalled. “He’d say, ‘This is something I can’t say out loud...’ or, ‘That is something the president can’t do.’” To Dean, these moments suggested a functioning sense of shame in Nixon, something he was forced to wrestle with in his quest for power. Trump, by contrast, appears to Dean unmolested by any such struggle.

Unchecked, Dean worries, these neo-Nixonian instincts will only grow stronger once Trump enters the Oval Office—a place where every occupant since Nixon has found new ways to expand his authority and further his reach. “Barack Obama, like most presidents, did not dispose of any of the executive powers he inherited,” Dean said. “Hang on when Trump and his crew fully appreciate the extraordinary powers they will have—it is not only going to be thrilling, but dangerous.”

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Thursday, January 19, 2017 8:02 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Obama's Affordable Care Act was a joke. (And I will be one of the 10's of millions that are affected if we lose it).

What you're accusing Trump of now is exactly what Obama and the Democrats did before him.

I don't know the answer, but I fail to see your point.



My suggestion would be to eliminate health insurance altogether. Let's see how much the hospitals can charge when we can only afford to pay pennies on the dollar compared to what they're used to billing us.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Obama's Affordable Care Act was a joke. . . .
I don't know the answer, but I fail to see your point. . . .

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/01/health-care-all-about-benjamins
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When Obamacare first came into effect, I was excited to get what I thought would be financial help with my costly medicine and treatments. But [my husband’s salary] put me in an earning bracket too high to qualify for any financial assistance....I’m left with a premium of $893, so high that I can no longer afford the cost of my medicines and treatments on top of the monthly premiums.

....In the end, I voted for Trump because he promised to repeal and replace Obamacare, and that was the most important issue to my own life. Looking back, I realize what a mistake it was. I ignored the pundits who repeated over and over again that he would not follow through on his promises, thinking they were spewing hysterics for better ratings. Sitting on my couch, my mouth agape at the words coming out Trump's mouth on the TV before me, I realized just how wrong I was.

Most people have no real clue about this, but per-capita health care spending in the US for someone 55 years old is about $10,000 per year. That means insurance premiums are going to be $10,000+ per year too. There's just no getting around this.

If Republicans want to better cover people, they're going to have to spend more money than Obamacare. If they want to reduce deductibles, they're going to have to spend more money than Obamacare. If they want to increase subsidies for the middle class, they're going to have to spend more money than Obamacare. This is an iron law, and no amount of blather about state lines or tort reform or anything else changes it more than minutely. But Republicans want to spend less, not more.

It all comes down to money. Ignore the rest of the chaff. If you think national health care should be better, it means spending more money. Period.

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Thursday, January 19, 2017 9:23 AM

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You're right about that. Obama lied about it, and it looks like its the Republican's turn to lie about it. Medical insurance is nothing but a huge ponzie scheme.


At the end of the day, you have to ask yourself if we really need it.

7 Billion people on the planet and growing.

Baby Boomers that are going to retire and live till their 90 or 100 on social security checks paid for by the kids who have already been told that they won't get social security when they retire. (another unsustainable ponzie scheme), as well as hundreds of thousands of dollars of healthcare to keep them living old enough to look like the Crypt Keeper before they croak.



Nope... I don't think we need it.





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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You're right about that. Obama lied about it, and it looks like its the Republican's turn to lie about it. Medical insurance is nothing but a huge ponzie scheme.

Baby Boomers that are going to retire and live till their 90 or 100 on social security checks paid for by the kids who have already been told that they won't get social security when they retire. (another unsustainable ponzie scheme), as well as hundreds of thousands of dollars of healthcare to keep them living old enough to look like the Crypt Keeper before they croak.

Actually it was Senator Joe Lieberman (Independent, not a Democrat) who is the liar, not Obama. During debate on the Affordable Care Act, Lieberman opposed the public option. As the crucial 60th vote needed to pass the legislation, his opposition to the public option was critical for its removal from the resulting bill. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Lieberman#Political_positions

Another reason that Obamacare is too stingy was because Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi wanted the Affordable Care Act to reduce the Federal deficit over the next 20 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Pelosi#Health_care
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_A
ct#Federal_deficit


The top 1% don't need Social Security and Medicare and Obamacare because they can pay. The top 1% are being listened to very carefully by Congressional Republicans, who also, just like the 1%, don't personally need Social Security or Medicare or Obamacare. Congress has a program just for themselves.

The Republican controlled Congress is very willing to kill both Social Security and Medicare and Obamacare if that will make 6ixStringJack happy. But you won't be better off. You might want to think about that very slowly and clearly before electing a Congress that will kill all programs for people like you, who are not the top 1% in wealth.


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Baby Boomers that are going to retire and live till their 90 or 100 on social security checks paid for by the kids who have already been told that they won't get social security when they retire. (another unsustainable ponzie scheme), as well as hundreds of thousands of dollars of healthcare to keep them living old enough to look like the Crypt Keeper before they croak.

6ixStringJack, you don't have to wait very long before not having Social Security because
Trump Team Wants to Slash Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and Everything Else Except Defense

Donald Trump is ready to take an ax to government spending. Staffers for the Trump transition team have been meeting with career staff at the White House ahead of Friday’s presidential inauguration to outline their plans for shrinking the federal bureaucracy, The Hill has learned....Overall, the blueprint being used by Trump’s team would reduce federal spending by $10.5 trillion over 10 years.

That's a trillion dollars a year. If you eliminated the domestic discretionary budget entirely, you'd only save half a trillion bucks. So how do they do it?

Well, we're told that the proposed budget cuts "hew closely" to a recent Heritage Foundation report, so I went and took a look. The answer, of course, is that the only way to cut that kind of money is to take a meat axe to everything, including Social Security and Medicare.

The details are at www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/01/report-trump-team-wants-slash-s
ocial-security-medicare-medicaid-and-pretty-much-e

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Thursday, January 19, 2017 11:12 PM

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Obama lied about the ACA too. I can bring up plenty of videos of him telling us that we were going to save on average $2,500 a year on health insurance. When it went into effect, my brother and his wife had an immediate 40% increase in their premiums and their deductible was doubled. Just this year, their premiums went up another 30%.

I say good, slash the SSI payments right now. I'm a long way from retirement age and the government has already told me that there won't be any left when I retire. Better to rip the band aid off right away.

My grandpa used to tell me that there wouldn't be any social security for me when I retire back in the mid 80's when I didn't know what the hell he was talking about.

That's why I save when I can. That's why when the housing market crashed and I lost my job at around the same time, I was able to buy a $150,000 house for $67,000 in cash. That's why I've been able to keep out of debt after making less than $50k during the 8 years Obama was president.



Sooner or later one of these administrations is going to be caught in a position where the "free money" dries up completely. That's going to be a very hard pill for most of us to swallow when that day comes. We've breeded several generations who have come to rely on hand outs.

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Friday, January 20, 2017 7:08 AM

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I was able to buy a $150,000 house for $67,000 in cash. That's why I've been able to keep out of debt after making less than $50k during the 8 years Obama was president.

6ixStringJack, you are completely Malcolm Reynolds, with your house being your spaceship, except without the crew, without the smuggling, without the killing. Live free, live small, keep your head down, and never stop voting for Trump. Except maybe Trump is not Mal’s idea of the Alliance’s best Prime Minister ever, but whatever.

Tomorrow morning you will wake-up with Trump. Sleep well and pleasant dreams. As for me, I'll dream of all that extra money Trump will be giving me for no other reason than that Republicans believe money for Social Security and Obamacare payments are a waste of tax payer money when needy wealthy people should have that money in the form of a tax cut.


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Donald Trump is going to bring us trade wars, big time
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/20/14323686/trummp-trade-war

Many in the American business community chose to initially react to Donald Trump’s election victory by taking him seriously — but not literally — about his plan to use ad hoc tariffs to initiate and “win” trade wars with foreign countries. And while Trump is likely to have significant problems getting many of his plans through Congress, that’s not going to be the case on trade.

January has been the month people began to realize that Trump probably means what he says. If Trump wants confrontational trade policies, then confrontational trade policies are what he’s going to get. And all signs are that’s exactly what he wants.

For starters, existing statutes actually give the executive branch considerable discretion to employ various kinds of punitive or protective tariffs without congressional assent. Past presidents have generally used that power sparingly largely because they haven’t wanted to use it. But Trump does want to use it, and Congress wants to let him. Indeed, many congressional Democrats are positively eager see him do it. And while Republicans are less gung-ho, they don’t seem even remotely inclined to stand in his way.

In his confirmation hearing, Wilbur Ross, Trump’s commerce secretary, said that Trump would use the threat of tariffs to force foreign countries to open their markets more to American exporters.

Democratic Senator Amy Klobuchar made the case that Minnesota iron ore miners have been hurt by imports of Chinese steel, and Wilbur Ross was sympathetic. Democratic Senator Tammy Duckworth made the same case for Illinois steelworkers, with Ross, again, sympathetic. Democratic Senator Gary Peters of Michigan wanted to make a similar case for Michigan auto parts companies, and Ross was, again, sympathetic.

On the other hand, Congressional Republicans as recently as 18 months ago were enthusiastic about the Trans-Pacific Partnership and frustrated with President Obama’s inability to bring more Democratic Senators along for the ride. But this week, none of the Republican Senators were interested in making the case to Ross that Trump’s protectionist approach might be the wrong way to go.

The Republican party has decided, it seems, that protectionism is smart politics and they don’t want to fight with Trump about it.

Trump wants war

Trump is more of an improvisational thinker than a systematic one. He doesn’t want to shift tax policy in a way that aids American companies that compete with foreign imports — he wants to negotiate new, better trade deals.

This sort of thing has been tried in small ways by previous administrations, usually only to be met with retaliation and an eventual mutual climbdown. That’s good reason to doubt that going big on coercive trade strategies will create the results Trump is hoping for. But the only way to really know is to try. And Trump seems dead set on trying.

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Wednesday, January 25, 2017 10:36 PM

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The Netherlands welcomes Trump. Because we realize it's better for us to get along, we decided to introduce our tiny country to him in a way that will probably appeal to him the most.



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Thursday, January 26, 2017 2:41 AM

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The Netherlands welcomes Trump. Because we realize it's better for us to get along, we decided to introduce our tiny country to him in a way that will probably appeal to him the most.



The irony that the definition of Nether is "Lower in Position" is not lost on me...

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Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:39 AM

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The irony that ...

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The Corruption Experiment is a tabletop psychology experiment showing why things go so horribly wrong in the real world. Suddenly, Trump makes perfect sense if you hang on until the end of the 3 minute video.



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Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:58 AM

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Oh... c'mon. Not even a giggle at that Second?

Why so serious?

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Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:03 PM

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It's not a bad video. Makes a lot of sense really.

I just would have changed the last few moments to show pictures of Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Donna Brazil, Wolf Blitzer and John Podesta.

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Friday, January 27, 2017 6:41 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Oh... c'mon. Not even a giggle at that Second?

Why so serious?

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There are Presidential Signatures of all 44 US presidents from George Washington to Barack Obama in a single signature font (Truetype Dingbat).
http://presidentialsignatures.com/


And then there is Trump’s signature.
Do you see the D? The J? The T?
Is that how you were taught to write?

https://qz.com/891546/donald-trump-official-signature-trump-takes-a-te
diously-long-time-to-sign-his-name
/

Now that I look at Trump's signature really, really closely, I don't think he wants to communicate with even a little precision. It is all moods and feelings and aspirations.

Trump’s signatures have changed for the worse since his Inauguration. At the rate he is deteriorating, eight years from now it will be impossible to even guess what Trump is trying to communicate. Is that a signature or is it tremors?
www.thefiscaltimes.com/2017/01/25/Hidden-Messages-Behind-Trump-s-Evolv
ing-Signature




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Friday, January 27, 2017 12:31 PM

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You should see how my signature has changed over the years. It always looked about as bad as everybodies does when they use those electronic signatures at stores, but once I stopped writing anything else in cursive about 25 years ago it got progressively worse.

Once I realized that they don't actually ever look at your signature when you sign for anything, it's kind of just become a lazy line of swirls.

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Friday, January 27, 2017 1:35 PM

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You should see how my signature has changed over the years. It always looked about as bad as everybodies does when they use those electronic signatures at stores, but once I stopped writing anything else in cursive about 25 years ago it got progressively worse.

Once I realized that they don't actually ever look at your signature when you sign for anything, it's kind of just become a lazy line of swirls.

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If a signature can't be converted into words without already knowing who signed, I would say that person who signed does not understand an important meaning of a signature. The famous Presidents' signatures are easy to convert into spoken English, but they also understood what their purpose in life was:

Obama's signature does not easily convert to letters and then to a spoken word. There are some gaps where the letters were not formed, instead the letters were smeared. Trump's is worse, there are no recognizable letters. It is impossible to look at signature he now uses and see any meaning. In 2015, Trump's signature still looked like it could be read, but not anymore.


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Friday, January 27, 2017 3:22 PM

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I think you place far too much meaning on a signature, especially in this digital age we live in. It's not as if most of us even send handwritten letters in the mail anymore, and with online bill paying I can't even think of the last time I signed my name on a check.

I think the last time I put my handwritten signature on something with an actual pen and not a digital screen was when I signed on my house over 5 years ago.



I'm assuming forensic psychology is just a hobby of yours, Second. It couldn't be your job with that huge tax cut you're getting.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I think you place far too much meaning on a signature, especially in this digital age we live in. It's not as if most of us even send handwritten letters in the mail anymore, and with online bill paying I can't even think of the last time I signed my name on a check.

I think the last time I put my handwritten signature on something with an actual pen and not a digital screen was when I signed on my house over 5 years ago.

I'm assuming forensic psychology is just a hobby of yours, Second. It couldn't be your job with that huge tax cut you're getting.

6ixStringJack is a bird in the air, responsible only for himself and his little nest, while I'm signing checks and documents with an ink pen on paper. My handwritten signature and initials are as legible as the name on my business card. Perhaps Baby Man Trump is not a responsible adult? He feels no need to write legibly or to talk sensibly because he is the same as the bird, responsible to only himself and his family, not to the country.

www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/16/1620778/-Cartoon-The-unbelievable-B
aby-Man



Baby Man’s Timetable to replace ACA has Republicans in disarray

In private, many fear change will create a politically disastrous new ‘Trumpcare

WASHINGTON — Congressional Republicans, meeting behind closed doors this week in Philadelphia, expressed grave concerns about dismantling the Affordable Care Act on the urgent timetable demanded by President Donald Trump, fretting that they could wreck insurance markets and be saddled with a politically disastrous “Trumpcare.”

An audio recording of a session at their annual retreat, obtained by the New York Times shows Republicans in disarray, far from agreement on health policy and still searching for something to replace former President Barack Obama’s health care law. While their leaders pitched their belief that the Affordable Care Act remains the Democrats’ burden, some backbench Republicans expressed skepticism.

“We had better be sure that we are prepared to live with the market being created,” said Rep. Tom McClintock of California, because “that’s going to be called Trumpcare.” He added, “Republicans will own it lock, stock and barrel, and we’ll be judged on that.”
www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/us/politics/affordable-care-act-republican-
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Saturday, January 28, 2017 7:09 AM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Wow, I can't believe SECOND has devolved into crapping .... I mean carping .... out Trump's SIGNATURE.

Now, without taking the time and effort to read through SECOND's typically pointless points, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that SECOND is saying that The Donald's illegible signature says something terribly negative about the sense of responsibility of the person who holds the power of life and death in his hands. Right?


SECOND .... have you actually ever looked at a doctor's signature? Yanno, that scrawl that is found on the bottom of a prescription pad, or "doctor's orders"? Not one in ten is legible. I hope for YOUR peace of mind that you see a doctor with a legible signature!

Quote:

Legal Documents: Is it better to have a legible signature or an illegible one?

A: Cliff Gilley, JD cum laude, Seattle University Class of 2000
Written Nov 27, 2012
It doesn't matter whether the signature is legible or illegible, so long as it is consistent. A signature is simply a mark intended to authenticate a document; it can literally be any type of mark - a symbol, a single letter, initials, or a full signature. All have equal weight under the law -- assuming that you can prove that the mark was made by the person you're attempting to enforce the document against, with the intent to authenticate that document.









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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake


According to you GSTRING, if I discuss something I'm over-reacting. If I DON'T discuss something, I'm hiding.

You see? You're a troll. YOU don't want to discuss the subject, all you want to do is look for an excuse for personal attacks. So the reason why I'm NOT discussing this with you further is because (1) You've been demonstrated to be wrong about five ti

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SECOND .... have you actually ever looked at a doctor's signature? Yanno, that scrawl that is found on the bottom of a prescription pad, or "doctor's orders"? Not one in ten is legible. I hope for YOUR peace of mind that you see a doctor with a legible signature!

Doctors' sloppiness in handwriting, billing, record-keeping, diagnosis, and treatment has affected people's lives for the worse. Have you looked at the rate doctors are killing their patients in the USA? 250,000 or 440,000 per year. Don't like those numbers? Then pick a big number. Maybe not to you but it certainly screams to me that your doctor might be in the profession for the money, not to help you. That is also a fair way to look at Trump's entire career, which would explain why he has been sued so often and been bankrupted and screws his suppliers/contractors out of money and is unconcerned about calling his accountant to order the release of his tax returns. Trump is motivated by his money, not your life.

www.hospitalsafetygrade.org/newsroom/display/hospitalerrors-thirdleadi
ng-causeofdeathinus-improvementstooslow


www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-05-03/medical-errors-are-third-leadi
ng-cause-of-death-in-the-us


www.healthcareitnews.com/news/deaths-by-medical-mistakes-hit-records

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In one sentence, Donald Trump perfectly encapsulated the appeal of populism in the West
https://qz.com/897088

Trump drew a fairly direct line between his election victory and the choice for Brexit, saying that “both America and Britain understand that governments must be responsive to everyday working people, that governments must represent their own citizens.” He said citizens of both countries “were getting ripped off by the rest of the world.”

Trump said he predicted the June vote in the UK would break in the Brexiteers’ favor. “I said Brexit is going to happen and I was scorned in the press for making that prediction. I was scorned,” he said, working in one of his characteristic complaints about the media.

And then, with rather uncharacteristic clarity, he continued:

“And I said I believe it’s going to happen because people want to know who is coming into their country and they want to control their own trade and various other things.”

And with that one sentence, Trump offered perhaps the most elegant distillation yet, from anyone, as to why his campaign resonated with tens of millions of American voters, and what it is that appears to be pushing the Western populist wave forward.

--------------
I see populists as weaklings. The weaklings wish they owned the country, but they don't. They could own it all, but that would require them to energetically and intelligently fight the wealthy. The wealthy will fight back, so the weaklings never start the fight because they already feel defeated. Half of the weaklings who live in house don't own their house -- the bank owns it and can kick them out. And the weaklings living in apartments? They submit to the whims of the apartment management who can also kick them out. The weaklings don't own their own job because the boss can fire them whenever he pleases. The weaklings are trying to compensate for their own helplessness by finding someone even weaker than themselves to bully. That would be the intolerable foreigners, who have even less power than the weakling populists. But the weaklings won't even do that for themselves. The weaklings let the government do it.

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Saturday, January 28, 2017 8:07 AM

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Doctors' lack of precision in handwriting, billing, record-keeping, diagnosis, and treatment has affected people's lives for the worse. Have you looked at the rate doctors are killing their patients in the USA? 250,000 or 440,000 per year. Don't like those numbers? Then pick a big number. Maybe not to you but it certainly screams to me that your doctor might be in the profession for the money, not to help you. That is also a fair way to look at Trump's entire career, which would explain why he has been sued so often and been bankrupted and screws his suppliers/contractors out of money and is unconcerned about calling his accountant to order the release of his tax returns. Trump is motivated by his money, not your life.



We've gone from talking just about signatures to a very wide range of things, yet again.

I'm willing to bet there are some pretty damn excellent surgeons out there that have miserable handwriting.

Now, if you are the type of doctor that regularly hands out prescriptions, I agree with you that a great effort should be put into having legible handwriting. Lives actually are at stake when you write out a scrip so poorly that the pharmacist either does their job and calls you to get the real scrip or makes a judgement call. What's to say that you even remember what the scrip was 3 days later? I've never seen a prescription pad that made copies.

Chances are, except for a letter he writes to the next president, as is tradition, you're never going to see anything handwritten by Trump the entire time he is in office. And say what you will about his signature, there's no mistaking it for anyone elses.


You're REALLY scraping at the bottom of the barrel for muck to throw at Trump now Second.

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Saturday, January 28, 2017 8:19 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
Doctors' lack of precision in handwriting, billing, record-keeping, diagnosis, and treatment has affected people's lives for the worse. Have you looked at the rate doctors are killing their patients in the USA? 250,000 or 440,000 per year. Don't like those numbers? Then pick a big number. Maybe not to you but it certainly screams to me that your doctor might be in the profession for the money, not to help you. That is also a fair way to look at Trump's entire career, which would explain why he has been sued so often and been bankrupted and screws his suppliers/contractors out of money and is unconcerned about calling his accountant to order the release of his tax returns. Trump is motivated by his money, not your life.



We've gone from talking just about signatures to a very wide range of things, yet again.

I'm willing to bet there are some pretty damn excellent surgeons out there that have miserable handwriting.

Now, if you are the type of doctor that regularly hands out prescriptions, I agree with you that a great effort should be put into having legible handwriting. Lives actually are at stake when you write out a scrip so poorly that the pharmacist either does their job and calls you to get the real scrip or makes a judgement call. What's to say that you even remember what the scrip was 3 days later? I've never seen a prescription pad that made copies.

Chances are, except for a letter he writes to the next president, as is tradition, you're never going to see anything handwritten by Trump the entire time he is in office. And say what you will about his signature, there's no mistaking it for anyone elses.


You're REALLY scraping at the bottom of the barrel for muck to throw at Trump now Second.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Hey 6ixStringJack! If you can shrug off doctors killing 440,000 people a year from medical incompetence, you can shrug off anything Trump does so long as it is less than 440,000 people dead. Per year. Fortunately, for Trump's incompetence to kill enough people for you to notice would require a nuclear holocaust and there are competent people with loaded guns standing close by in the White House who would shoot Trump before he did that.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, January 28, 2017 10:01 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
Hey 6ixStringJack! If you can shrug off doctors killing 440,000 people a year from medical incompetence, you can shrug off anything Trump does so long as it is less than 440,000 people dead. Per year. Fortunately, for Trump's incompetence to kill enough people for you to notice would require a nuclear holocaust and there are competent people with loaded guns standing close by in the White House who would shoot Trump before he did that.



Your ability to put words in other peoples mouths by veering constantly off topic so much it's impossible to follow never ceases to amaze me Second.

Stay on topic.

We are talking about Signatures.

Just because I ignored the rest of your off topic rambling doesn't mean that I am dismissing anything other than your manipulative bait tactics.

If you give out prescriptions as a part of your job then penmanship is critical because lives are at stake. If you're a neurosurgeon, a day laborer or even a President, your signature means nothing. As long as the checks get cashed and the bills get paid, that's all that matters.

Please stop being so ridiculous.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, January 29, 2017 6:57 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Your ability to put words in other peoples mouths by veering constantly off topic so much it's impossible to follow never ceases to amaze me Second.

Stay on topic.

We are talking about Signatures.

Mister very slow thinking 6ixStringJack, the topic is actually Trump. The deep philosophical question is: "What is going on inside Trump's brain?" Here is more data for Mr 6ixStringJack:

Trump’s Immigration Ban Excludes Countries With Trump’s Business Ties

Not a single Muslim extremist from any of the seven designated countries has ever committed an act of terrorism on American soil.

But residents of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan, and other US "allies" are exempt, even though their citizens have committed acts of terrorism in the USA. Not by coincidence, these are also countries where Trump has commercial interests. Is Trump corrupt? He does NOT want to offend countries where he makes money? The governments there could hurt his businesses.

www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/01/27/511861645/trumps-immigration
-freeze-omits-those-linked-to-deadly-attacks-in-u-s

www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-trump-immigration-ban-conflict-of-inte
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/

Trump will claim, if you could get him to accurately answer point-by-point, country-by-country, that he judged those countries he personally does business with are countries that he does not want to harm because that would harm his own businesses.

In the below map, yellow is for Trump Countries. Yellow is also countries that actually send terrorists to the USA to kill Americans. Red is for Banned Countries that send no terrorists to the USA.

Trump's stopping all tourism from red countries would not have prevented 9/11, for example, since Trump is stopping tourism from the wrong countries because of his business interests. Even if Trump eventually does ban tourism from the Yellow countries because somebody in the White House thinks it through for Trump, we already know how Trump's brain works. He lets his business interests control what he does as President.
www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-trump-immigration-ban-conflict-of-inte
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Sunday, January 29, 2017 8:26 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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You're REALLY scraping at the bottom of the barrel for muck to throw at Trump now Second.= SIX
I agree. SECOND'S agenda has been to throw one delusion after another against the wall as fast as possible to see what sticks.

SECOND, I could bird-dog that insane handwriting argument (doctor's bad handwriting causes 440,000 deaths per year) with the REAL causes of iatrogenic deaths, starting perhaps with the concept that doctors deal with sick people so maybe you should expect deaths in that population above and beyond the average population, and moving on to hospital-acquired infections, drug interactions, hospital understaffing, etc and I will bet that "sloppy handwriting" will not be found anywhere because it's a vanishingly small cause.

You need to shitscreen your posts for viability. Yanno, at least filter out the OBVIOUS pieces of shit before committing them to the board.




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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake


According to you GSTRING, if I discuss something I'm over-reacting. If I DON'T discuss something, I'm hiding.

You see? You're a troll. YOU don't want to discuss the subject, all you want to do is look for an excuse for personal attacks. So the reason why I'm NOT discussing this with you further is because (1) You've been demonstrated to be wrong about five ti

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Sunday, January 29, 2017 9:24 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

SECOND, I could bird-dog that insane handwriting argument (doctor's bad handwriting causes 440,000 deaths per year) with the REAL causes of iatrogenic deaths, starting perhaps with the concept that doctors deal with sick people so maybe you should expect deaths in that population above and beyond the average population, and moving on to hospital-acquired infections, drug interactions, hospital understaffing, etc and I will bet that "sloppy handwriting" will not be found anywhere because it's a vanishingly small cause.

No, Signym. The sloppy way doctors practice medicine kills 440,000 patients a year. The handwriting that can’t be read (despite it being trivial to make handwritten prescriptions legible) is simply one of many small symptoms of doctors’ sloppy thinking, working, and reacting to the problems they are solving. Of course, the major symptom is death.

I'd say there is too little thinking in Trump's head or a busy doctor's head and far too much mindless reacting. The results are poor, whether it is bad handwriting or dead patients or stupidly drafted executive orders designed to protect Trump's business interests in foreign countries. But none of us are River Tam and we don't have access to other minds so we can demonstrate how empty headed Trump and some doctors are. All we see are the bad results. It is not surprising that doctors need lawyers and Trump needs spokespersons to explain away their malpractice.

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Sunday, January 29, 2017 9:42 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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No, Signym. The sloppy way doctors practice medicine kills 440,000 patients a year. The handwriting that can’t be read (despite it being trivial to make handwritten prescriptions legible) is simply one of many small symptoms of doctors’ sloppy thinking, working, and reacting to the problems they are solving. Of course, the major symptom is death.
All of this from a sloppy signature, SECOND? I'd say you've gone a bridge too far. In fact, the person who is engaging in sloppy thinking is you. I'm not even going to argue your pointless post. There are far more important and interesting things to discuss.



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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake


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Sunday, January 29, 2017 11:57 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm not even going to argue your pointless post. There are far more important and interesting things to discuss.

Signym, you can't even be bothered to acknowledge that Trump's executive order on Friday, the one titled “Protecting the Nation From Foreign Terrorist Entry Into the United States”, will allow all the countries that sent the 9/11 terrorists to send more terrorists.

Trump has business deals in all the 9/11 terrorist countries. That is why Trump's order does NOT protect the USA from actual terrorists; he did not want to interfere with his profitable businesses in those terrorist countries.

Signym, why can't you understand that Trump made his business interests a priority higher than America's interests? Look again, Signym:

www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-trump-immigration-ban-conflict-of-inte
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The Trump immigration ban is a conflict of interest. I should mention that Trump is giving the appearance of fulfilling a campaign promise, but he did not go far enough because a ban that included the 9/11 terrorist countries would be bad for Trump's family business interests.


If Trump's supporters ever figure out that Trump only went halfway on his promise to keep terrorists out of America, they might be angry. But knowing Signym, the supporters might not be smart enough.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/01/trumps-immigration-fiasco-might
-be-more-premeditated-we-think

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Sunday, January 29, 2017 12:50 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
Mister very slow thinking 6ixStringJack, the topic is actually Trump.



You obviously never read How to Win Friends and Influence People.

I just noticed you called me a ne'er do well on another thread and now this.

I'm not going to bother reading the rest of your post. Go fuck yourself.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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