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What our Russians are up to...

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Wednesday, October 12, 2016 7:01 PM

You know how our Russian trolls have been all about calling Hillary a war-monger, despite the fact that she is an experienced diplomat who has met with and peacefully negotiated with leaders from just about every nation? Despite Hillary's years of experience working with many different types of people, her patience in the face of decades of attacks from people in her own country who are dead set on making her an enemy, our little sigkik wants us to believe that Hillary is eager for nothing more than all out WW3.

Actually, it's quite stunning that the trolls use this criticism while also accusing Hillary of "playing both sides", of trying to please the "little people" as well as Wall Street. Say, isn't that what politicians and diplomats are supposed to do? Make compromises serving as many people as possible?

And why would someone whose MO is to try to please everyone be all into starting a war?

Well, my friends, it's clear where the trolls' marching orders come from. This is why they have been pushing that war monger thing so hard.

Putin Ally Tells Americans: Vote Trump or Face Nuclear War

by Reuters

MOSCOW — Americans should vote for Donald Trump as president next month or risk being dragged into a nuclear war, according to a Russian ultra-nationalist ally of President Vladimir Putin who likes to compare himself to the U.S. Republican candidate.

Vladimir Zhirinovsky, a flamboyant veteran lawmaker known for his fiery rhetoric, told Reuters in an interview that Trump was the only person able to de-escalate dangerous tensions between Moscow and Washington.

By contrast, Trump's Democratic rival Hillary Clinton could spark World War Three, said Zhirinovsky, who received a top state award from Putin after his pro-Kremlin Liberal Democratic Party of Russia (LDPR) came third in Russia's parliamentary election last month.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-ally-tells-americans-vote-trum
p-or-face-nuclear-war-n665376

Putin threatens nuclear war after sending his trolls out to preemptively place the blame on Hillary.

Welcome to the modern age of information warfare.

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Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:26 PM

THGRRI

I have been all over 1kiki and SIG since I first joined this site. I realized right away they were bashing America and our allies relentlessly while defending Putin and his allies. They do this with lies and deflection ( a twist or aberration especially a perverse or abnormal way of judging or acting ) when posting their version of the truth.

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Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54 PM

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Putin ally tells Americans: vote Trump or face nuclear war
Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:35pm EDT
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-russian-trump-idUSKCN12C28Q

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Americans should vote for Donald Trump as president next month or risk being dragged into a nuclear war, according to a Russian ultra-nationalist ally of President Vladimir Putin who likes to compare himself to the U.S. Republican candidate.

Vladimir Zhirinovsky, a flamboyant veteran lawmaker known for his fiery rhetoric, told Reuters in an interview that Trump was the only person able to de-escalate dangerous tensions between Moscow and Washington.

By contrast, Trump's Democratic rival Hillary Clinton could spark World War Three, said Zhirinovsky, who received a top state award from Putin after his pro-Kremlin Liberal Democratic Party of Russia (LDPR) came third in Russia's parliamentary election last month.

Many Russians regard Zhirinovsky as a clownish figure who makes outspoken statements to grab attention but he is also widely viewed as a faithful servant of Kremlin policy, sometimes used to float radical opinions to test public reaction.

"Relations between Russia and the United States can't get any worse. The only way they can get worse is if a war starts," said Zhirinovsky, speaking in his huge office on the 10th floor of Russia's State Duma, or lower house of parliament.

"Americans voting for a president on Nov. 8 must realise that they are voting for peace on Planet Earth if they vote for Trump. But if they vote for Hillary it's war. It will be a short movie. There will be Hiroshimas and Nagasakis everywhere."

Zhirinovsky's comments coincide with deep disagreements between Washington and Moscow over Syria and Ukraine and after the White House last week accused Russia of a campaign of cyber attacks against Democratic Party organisations.

Even as WikiLeaks released another trove of internal documents from Clinton’s campaign on Wednesday, Putin insisted his country was not involved in an effort to influence the U.S. presidential election.

THE RUSSIAN TRUMP?

Zhirinovsky likes to shock liberal public opinion and he has frequently heaped scorn on the West, which he and other Russian nationalists regard as decadent, hypocritical and corrupted by political correctness.

His combative style, reminiscent of Trump's, ensures him plenty of television air time and millions of votes in Russian elections, often from the kind of blue-collar workers who are the bedrock of the U.S. Republican candidate's support.

Zhirinovsky once proposed blocking off mostly Muslim southern Russia with a barbed wire fence, echoing Trump's call for a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico.

Zhirinovsky, who said he met Trump in New York in 2002, revels in his similarities with the American businessman - they are the same age, favour coarse, sometimes misogynistic language and boast about putting their own country first. Zhirinovsky has even said he wants a DNA test to see if he is related to Trump.

But unlike Trump, a billionaire real estate developer who casts himself as the anti-establishment candidate in the U.S. presidential race with no past political experience, Zhirinovsky is a consummate political insider who has sat in the Duma for more than two decades.

Putin has also praised Trump as "very talented", while the Republican candidate has said the Kremlin boss is a better leader than U.S. President Barack Obama. Clinton has accused Trump of being too cosy with Putin and questioned his business interests in Russia.

In other comments that have delighted Moscow, Trump has questioned the value of NATO for Washington, has spoken ambiguously about Russia's 2014 annexation of Ukraine's Crimea and suggested that the United States under his leadership would adopt a more isolationist foreign policy.

"He (Trump) won't care about Syria, Libya and Iraq and why an earth should America interfere in these countries? And Ukraine. Who needs Ukraine?," said Zhirinovsky, who once counted himself a friend of Iraq's Saddam Hussein and Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi and whose deaths he still laments.

"Trump will have a brilliant chance to make relations more peaceful ... He's the only one who can do this," he said, adding that Trump could even win a Nobel peace prize.

CLINTON "CRAVES POWER"

In contrast, Zhirinovsky described Clinton as "an evil mother-in law" and said her record as secretary of state under Obama in 2009-2013 showed she was unfit to lead her country.

"She craves power. Her view is that Hillary is the most important person on the planet, that America is an exceptional country, as Barack Obama said," said Zhirinovsky. "That's dangerous. She could start a nuclear war."

In typically chauvinistic remarks, Zhirinovsky said Clinton's gender should also bar her from the presidency.

"Most Americans should choose Trump because men have been leading for millions of year. You can't take the risk of having one of the richest, most powerful countries led by a woman president," he said.

Asked about lewd comments Trump made about women in 2005 that have harmed his campaign, Zhirinovsky defended the Republican: "Men all round the world sometimes say such things that are just for their comrades. We must only consider his business (and political) qualities."

Though Putin and Trump have never met, Zhirinovsky said he believed they could establish a close working relationship, adding: "Victory for Trump would be a gift to humanity. But if Hillary Clinton wins it will be the last U.S. president ever."

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, October 12, 2016 9:32 PM

THGRRI

The Russian's are finding they can't hide. And let this be a lesson to all countries. If you don't want the Russians interfering in your elections. You better speak up. Because there is so much proof 1kiki won't make an appearance.

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Thursday, October 13, 2016 3:23 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

It is more likely the Age of Misinformation, as well as cyber espionage and
all-out hacking.

People tend to forget that Putin was a KGB agent and worked in intelligence and counterintelligence. Hmmmm, could that prove to be useful to a man like
Putin? I wonder!

SGG

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Thursday, October 13, 2016 3:23 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

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Thursday, October 13, 2016 3:24 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

Thanks for posting M4P

SGG

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Thursday, October 13, 2016 6:09 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I read the title and I thought .... "Oh, what ARE the Russians up to?" I thought
it was news about, yanno, Russians. Then I found out it was supposed to be about me and KIKI! You guys are ludicrous. I had to look up Zhirinovsky to find out who he is. Apparently, he's a member of the Duma, elected as part of an opposition party. Not sure where he stands in relation to Putin, but he is a populist who claims that DNA testing shows he is related to Trump.

I guess!

Not wrong about the "Russian invasion" ... say, GSTRING, how many troops does it take to make an invasion, anyway? Three? Four?

Had NO stand on Russian and athletes doping, since I was 100% unfamiliar with the topic.

I know what the Investigation concluded about MH17, and unless/until I hear robust evidence otherwise, that is what happened. Still, I'm disappointed with the lack of evidence. There was too much they could have collected and didn't; it would have made their case much stronger.

Whether I'm right or wrong about Hillary is yet to be shown, but there is a lot of evidence showing Hillary's desire for war, including her votes AND her current campaign. She will never be able to have a reasonable diplomatic relationship with Russia since she has used them as a hobby=horse for her campaign.

MAL4, you have reached new depths of irrationality. I thought you prided yourself on being intelligent, right? What you're doing is called "guilt by association", and just bc someone says something an I say something doesn't make it wrong - in fact, we both may be right and YOU may be wrong.

And what is with this anti-Russian hysteria, anyway? My god, you people are suggestible! All anyone has to do is push a button and "Noriega is a drug runner!" "Saddam has WMD!" "Qaddafi is massacring his own people!" Wow, you people panic over nothing.

None of you has managed to answer the question:
WHAT ARE AMERICAN INTERESTS and
HOW DOES RUSSIA THREATEN THEM?

Now, I personally think I'm making a better case for "American interests" than YOU are, because that's what I'm doing: arguing for America's interests. I have no idea what YOU'RE doing ... arguing for America's banks? America's elites? International elites? If you had stopped to think about answering those two questions, you might not have made such terrible mistakes in the past.

Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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Thursday, October 13, 2016 12:42 PM

THGRRI

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Not wrong about the "Russian invasion" ... say, GSTRING, how many troops does it take to make an invasion, anyway? Three? Four?

It's funny how SIG deflects from the fact that Russia had twenty thousand troops in Crimea before they turned their guns on the Ukrainians. And rock solid evidence of many more flooding across the Ukrainian border from Russia with their unit identifications removed.

Funny how insurgents poured in from Russia with all manor of trucks, uniforms, guns and supplies. Aye comrade SIG.

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Thursday, October 13, 2016 12:59 PM

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"The bombing of Serbs, who were our allies in both world wars, was a big mistake,” Trump told the Serbian weekly magazine Nedeljnik for an article published on its website Thursday. “Serbians are very good people. Unfortunately, the Clinton administration caused them a lot of harm, but also throughout the Balkans, which they made a mess out of."

....Eric Gordy, professor in Southeast European Politics at University College London, told Newsweek Trump’s words echo the tactic used by the Russian government to cultivate support among Serbs. “The most obvious interpretation of his statement is that it is another sign of alignment with Russia,” he says. “To be honest, this kind of statement is usually more a symbolic attempt for Russian politicians to drum up resentment towards the U.S.,” Gordy explains.
www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-apologises-serbia-yugoslavia-bombing-509
417

Why did Trump suddenly decide to talk about the NATO bombing of Serbia? I figure Trump has three good reasons: (a) it takes attention away from Gropegate, (b) it aligns his views with Vladimir Putin's, and (c) anything Bill Clinton did is bad.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, October 13, 2016 2:51 PM

THGRRI

Russia is so desperate to get the hacked emails out, RT Russia's government run media is posting them before WikiLeaks can get them out.

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Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:47 PM

MAL4PREZ

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Russia is so desperate to get the hacked emails out, RT Russia's government run media is posting them before WikiLeaks can get them out.

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Clearly, sigkiktroll aren't capable of realizing how obviously troll they are. Minds are too simple and limited. It's a sad statement of what the world has come to, that these morons manage to carry on from year to year.

Doesn't matter. They will lose spectacularly next month. I will do nothing but point and laugh. Half a laugh only, actually, because I am well aware of the disaster for the US they are trying to bring about with their Russia worship.

They really don't care about the people they would harm through their biased anti-American propaganda. Yeah, really I can't laugh about them. I can only be relieved that their side of things will lose so spectacularly.

Thank TPTB.

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Friday, October 14, 2016 2:02 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

The following article may shed some light on that subject:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-could-be-prepping-for-war-o
rders-all-relatives-of-officials-to-return-home/ar-AAiUP1T?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

Putin is sounding the alarm, especially now that his protégé is failing spectacularly in his bid for the most powerful office in the world. It may be that in certain regards Putin is a lot like 'him' that he so wants to be that guy - the most powerful man in the world.

Now who's looking to start a war!?

SGG

quote]Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Russia is so desperate to get the hacked emails out, RT Russia's government run media is posting them before WikiLeaks can get them out.

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Clearly, sigkiktroll aren't capable of realizing how obviously troll they are. Minds are too simple and limited. It's a sad statement of what the world has come to, that these morons manage to carry on from year to year.

Doesn't matter. They will lose spectacularly next month. I will do nothing but point and laugh. Half a laugh only, actually, because I am well aware of the disaster for the US they are trying to bring about with their Russia worship.

They really don't care about the people they would harm through their biased anti-American propaganda. Yeah, really I can't laugh about them. I can only be relieved that their side of things will lose so spectacularly.

Thank TPTB.

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Friday, October 14, 2016 6:46 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

This whole thing about RT posting stories before Wikileaks released them is disproved by simply examining the release time and the post time.

So everything you posted is a lie MAL4 and THUGR. You're just spewing nonstop hate now, do you know it? Hate, lies, fear, accusations, scare-mongering ...that's your stock in trade now. You're both really just hate-filled people, aren't you?

Usually, the only thing that drives people to such extremes is fear. And yet, you have never been able to answer the questions:

WHAT ARE AMERICA's INTERESTS and
HOW DOES RUSSIA THREATEN THEM?

So what is driving so much fear?

Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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Friday, October 14, 2016 6:22 PM

THGRRI

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Friday, October 14, 2016 9:58 PM

MAL4PREZ

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This whole thing about RT posting stories before Wikileaks released them is disproved by simply examining the release time and the post time.

So everything you posted is a lie MAL4 and THUGR. You're just spewing nonstop hate now, do you know it? Hate, lies, fear, accusations, scare-mongering ...that's your stock in trade now. You're both really just hate-filled people, aren't you?

Usually, the only thing that drives people to such extremes is fear. And yet, you have never been able to answer the questions:

WHAT ARE AMERICA's INTERESTS and
HOW DOES RUSSIA THREATEN THEM?

So what is driving so much fear?

Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

Take your meds dear. You have come a long way in the past few years, but not in an uphill direction. I didn't see it at first, but it's quite obvious if one considers your full posting history. Desperation wears heavy on you, little sig. It has always weighed heavy on this small obscure little website. Despite how small this place is it remains 100% your focus with posts all day every day with your multiple accounts for years and years on end. Very few posters focus on this place the way you do.

You reveal yourself.

I wished you well back when this place was livelier and you were a little less crazy. Or, at least, you expressed your crazy through your socks only. I still wish you well. I hope you find something outside of this little site so you can find a sense of worth in the real world. You know who I'm talking to now. You know what your original account was named. Yeah, her. That's who I mean.

But now the kid-glove treatment ends. In your current persona you promote Armageddon (in the form of "President" Trump and his Best Friend Putin) just to put yourself in the spotlight. That is not ok. Your need for attention has led you to take on dangerous causes.

Continue if you wish. But know that I know who you are. I see through you.

I know the name of your original account.

Carry on crazy girl.

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Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:43 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

https://mic.com/articles/21829/5-top-highlights-in-hillary-clinton-s-s
ecretary-of-state-tenure#.mIpOEJjVf

1. People-to-People Diplomacy
she expertly led efforts to rescue Chen Guangcheng, the dissident who took refuge in the U.S. Embassy in Beijing in May 2012, without crippling U.S.-China relation

2. The Importance of Economics
Clinton articulated a new vision of Economic Statecraft that made domestic economic growth (please note that not a single notable accomplishment could be attributed to Hillary under this heading)

3. Restoring American Credibility
let's see ...Building on people-to-people diplomacy ... promoted U.S. values in a firm but respectful way ... outreach to Burma ... Aung San Suu Kyi is now free (no thanks to Hillary http://www.cfr.org/burmamyanmar/mysterious-opening-myanmar/p26680) ... rejuvenated U.S. engagement in the Middle East ... ceasefire between Hamas and Israel ... (fell apart years ago) ... shuttle diplomacy ... coordination ... greater leverage to pursue a robust peace process in 2013 ... ... (not seeing much of value here) ...

4. Diplomacy is National Security
... Osama Bin Laden raid ... strong proponent of NATO airstrikes in Libya ... Her active diplomacy was critical to securing United Nations Security Council authorization of the Libya mission ...

not sure I'd be bragging about these ...

5. Texts From Hillary
In 2012, Clinton became an internet sensation because of a series of memes depicting her having fictitious, comical text exchanges with other celebrities while wearing her trademark sunglasses. Texts from Hillary became so popular that Clinton herself submitted her own caption to the website and invited its creators to meet with her at the State Department. Her star power and ability to capture the imagination of individuals around the world is one noteworthy aspect of her success.

Yep. A stellar list!

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Saturday, October 15, 2016 7:59 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
This whole thing about RT posting stories before Wikileaks released them is disproved by simply examining the release time and the post time.

So everything you posted is a lie MAL4 and THUGR.

Because you haven't decided whether you're right or wrong, you just decided to deflect the topic back to hating in Signy, haven't you? Or maybe you DID realize you were wrong, and decided to deflect the topic to hating on Signy anyway. Either way, you're just a hater now. You can't be bothered to even TOUCH a topic outside of hating me, can you?

Quote:
You're just spewing nonstop hate now, do you know it? Hate, lies, fear, accusations, scare-mongering ...that's your stock in trade now. You're both really just hate-filled people, aren't you?
Usually, the only thing that drives people to such extremes is fear. And yet, you have never been able to answer the questions:
WHAT ARE AMERICA's INTERESTS and
HOW DOES RUSSIA THREATEN THEM?
So what is driving so much fear?
Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?= SIGNY

Take your meds dear. You have come a long way in the past few years, but not in an uphill direction. I didn't see it at first, but it's quite obvious if one considers your full posting history. Desperation wears heavy on you, little sig. It has always weighed heavy on this small obscure little website. Despite how small this place is it remains 100% your focus with posts all day every day with your multiple accounts for years and years on end. Very few posters focus on this place the way you do.
You reveal yourself.
I wished you well back when this place was livelier and you were a little less crazy. Or, at least, you expressed your crazy through your socks only. I still wish you well. I hope you find something outside of this little site so you can find a sense of worth in the real world. You know who I'm talking to now. You know what your original account was named. Yeah, her. That's who I mean.

Who? I have no idea what or who you're talking about. But have fun on the crazy-train.

Quote:
But now the kid-glove treatment ends. In your current persona you promote Armageddon (in the form of "President" Trump and his Best Friend Putin) just to put yourself in the spotlight. That is not ok. Your need for attention has led you to take on dangerous causes.
Continue if you wish. But know that I know who you are. I see through you.
I know the name of your original account.
Carry on crazy girl.

Hey do I HAVE an "original account"? Far as I know, its .... SIGNYM!

Yep, MAL4 nonstop hate. And now I can include paranoia. That's you. Carry on.

Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:32 AM

THGRRI

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:
This whole thing about RT posting stories before Wikileaks released them is disproved by simply examining the release time and the post time.

So everything you posted is a lie MAL4 and THUGR.
Because you haven't decided whether you're right or wrong, you just decided to deflect the topic back to hating in Signy, haven't you? Or maybe you DID realize you were wrong, and decided to deflect the topic to hating on Signy anyway. Either way, you're just a hater now. You can't be bothered to even TOUCH a topic outside of hating me, can you?

Nope wrong again. And as for the wiki leaks, a disinformation agenda works by releasing some harmless ( in this case emails ) that are not doctored. Then as time goes on the manipulated emails are mixed in with again, a lot of other emails that are not. So SIG, since Russia is behind sending the emails to wiki they can't be trusted.

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Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:07 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

The question becomes - how MANY accusations can you make up for which you have zero proof?

RUSSIA responsible for sun spots!
RUSSIA responsible for human aging!
RUSSIA responsible for the asteroid belt!
RUSSIA responsible for the common cold!

I bet you could make up a lot more!

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