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Rigged voting .... been going on for a long time, and still happening

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Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:47 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I've lived long enough to have heard about at least one rigged election (JFK and the Chicago Machine vs Nixon) and to have witnessed two three more.

2000 Election
With FL State Secretary Katherine Harris busy scrubbing approximately 57,000 likely Democratic voters off the voter rolls, http://www.nndb.com/people/067/000038950/ the power of being able to control the voter rolls became evident. However, much worse was to come. In an extremely close race (thanks in part to Harris) the Supreme Court stopped a vote recount, and gave the election to GWB. An entire state recount the following year by a consortium of newspapers which was determined to figure out who REALLY won Florida found that the "hanging chad" controversy would not have changed the results by much- but that recounting ELECTRONIC votes in Republican-leaning districts would have actually swung the vote to Gore.

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The error cropped up in Volusia's 216th precinct of only 585 registered voters. A Global Election Systems (acquired by Diebold Election Systems now Premier Election Solutions) voting machine showed that 412 of those registered voters had voted. The problem was that the machine also claimed those 412 voters had somehow given Bush 2,813 votes and in addition had given Gore a negative vote count of -16,022 votes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volusia_error

The clusterfuck that was the FL vote got a group of activists involved who looked deeply into- among other things - electronic voting. They discovered that electronic voting was extremely hackable. The way electronic vote COUNTING works is that a computer "card" is inserted into a vote-counting machine. As ballots are fed into the machine the votes are recorded on the chips on the card.

At its most primitive level, the final tally can simply be overwritten by a person editing an unsecured system. Another option is to "pre-load" the vote counting card with a certain number of votes for the selected candidate. A third way to change the vote count is to insert a subroutine into the vote-counting program which throws ... let;s say, one out of every ten votes to the preferred candidate. And there is always the possibility of having touch-screen voting being "mis-indexed" to improperly record the position of the touched point.

None of this requires being connected to "the internet".

You can find out more about this at Black Box Voting http://blackboxvoting.org/

2004 Election
In 2004, there was an even more widespread discrepancy between exit polls and and vote tallies. Exit polls had Kerry ahead 53% to 47%; official vote tallies more than reversed the result.
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Bush Jr. also did remarkably well with phantom populations. The number of his votes in Perry and Cuyahoga counties in Ohio, exceeded the number of registered voters, creating turnout rates as high as 124 percent. In Miami County nearly 19,000 additional votes eerily appeared in Bush’s column after all precincts had reported. In a small conservative suburban precinct of Columbus, where only 638 people were registered, the touchscreen machines tallied 4,258 votes for Bush....

Most revealing, the discrepancies between exit polls and official tallies were never random but worked to Bush’s advantage in ten of eleven swing states that were too close to call, sometimes by as much as 9.5 percent as in New Hampshire, an unheard of margin of error for an exit poll. In Nevada, Ohio, New Mexico, and Iowa exit polls registered solid victories for Kerry, yet the official tally in each case went to Bush, a mystifying outcome.

In states that were not hotly contested the exit polls proved quite accurate. Thus exit polls in Utah predicted a Bush victory of 70.8 to 26.4 percent; the actual result was 71.1 to 26.4 percent. In Missouri, where the exit polls predicted a Bush victory of 54 to 46 percent, the final result was 53 to 46 percent.

One explanation for the strange anomalies in vote tallies was found in the widespread use of touchscreen electronic voting machines. These machines produced results that consistently favored Bush over Kerry, often in chillingly consistent contradiction to exit polls.... Verified counts are impossible because the machines leave no reliable paper trail.... In New Mexico in 2004 Kerry lost all precincts equipped with touchscreen machines, irrespective of income levels, ethnicity, and past voting patterns. ... Since the introduction of touchscreen voting, anomalous congressional election results have been increasing.

These discrepancies were analyzed by university statisticians, and after ruling out random error etc, the only explanation that they could NOT rule out was fraud.

2016 Primary

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Geijsel and Barragan compared states that used “hard paper evidence” of votes versus states that did not use paper ballots and noted “it is possible to detect irregularities in the 2016 Democratic Primaries” using this method. They also compared election results with exit polls, noting that, in 2008, voting irregularities were not at the same level as they have been in 2016.

The study authors discovered significant anomalies between election results and exit polls, where data indicated lower support for Clinton than what the actual vote tally showed. These types of discrepancies did not occur in either the Republican primaries or in the 2008 Democratic primaries.



Snopes' take on this was that this wasn't an "official study" but nonetheless the trend is clear
http://www.snopes.com/stanford-study-proves-election-fraud-through-exi
t-poll-discrepancies
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About Bev Harris, the author of Black Box Voting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bev_Harris

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Saturday, October 29, 2016 5:45 PM

THGRRI


Have at it SIG. I am not going to discuss this with someone who doesn't understand fact from fiction. Instead I'll post this here because you and 1kiki ignored it.

Another story that suggests the Kremlin Orchestrated the Ukraine invasion.

"Payback? Russia Gets Hacked, Revealing Putin Aide's Secrets

A Ukrainian group calling itself Cyber Hunta has released more than a gigabyte of emails and other material from the office of one of Vladimir Putin's top aides, Vladislav Surkov, that show Russia's fingerprints all over the separatist movement in Ukraine.

While the Kremlin has denied the relationship between Moscow and the separatists, the emails show in great detail how Russia controlled virtually every detail of the separatist effort in the Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine, which has torn the country apart and led to a Russian takeover of Crimea."

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/payback-russia-gets-ha
cked-revealing-putin-aide-s-secrets-n673956

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Saturday, October 29, 2016 8:05 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


There are expense reports and a proposal for a three-person operation for separatist propaganda, with an editor, reporter and webmaster.

HOLY CRAP!!! WHAT A BLOWOUT REVELATION !!! not.

And btw - AS USUAL - the 'news' article consisted of a lot of claims by US officialdom, and zero evidence.

But I have to say, there's one thing about you THUGGR that NEVER changes - you are the most gullible lackey I have ever known.






Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Sunday, October 30, 2016 2:14 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Have at it SIG. I am not going to discuss this with someone who doesn't understand fact from fiction. Instead I'll post this here because you and 1kiki ignored it.
Yanno THUGR, it's pathetic, it really is.

You're just like one of those reichwing conservatives on global warming. There you are, bravely standing against Wikipedia, widespread media reports, investigations, university statisticians, computer programmers. live demonstrations of hacking techniques .... I guess NOBODY can discern "fact" from "fiction" quite like you can! And thank god for that!





Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

G, THUGR, MAL4: Oh BTW, please define intelligence.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60903&p=4#1
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Sunday, October 30, 2016 5:19 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


more of it








Voting Fraud?


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Sunday, October 30, 2016 6:21 AM

REAVERFAN


Gotta love the tinfoil.

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Sunday, October 30, 2016 3:29 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Have at it SIG. I am not going to discuss this with someone who doesn't understand fact from fiction. Instead I'll post this here because you and 1kiki ignored it.

Another story that suggests the Kremlin Orchestrated the Ukraine invasion.

"Payback? Russia Gets Hacked, Revealing Putin Aide's Secrets

A Ukrainian group calling itself Cyber Hunta has released more than a gigabyte of emails and other material from the office of one of Vladimir Putin's top aides, Vladislav Surkov, that show Russia's fingerprints all over the separatist movement in Ukraine.

While the Kremlin has denied the relationship between Moscow and the separatists, the emails show in great detail how Russia controlled virtually every detail of the separatist effort in the Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine, which has torn the country apart and led to a Russian takeover of Crimea."

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/payback-russia-gets-ha
cked-revealing-putin-aide-s-secrets-n673956



Could you identify where you first posted it?

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Sunday, October 30, 2016 4:10 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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While the Kremlin has denied the relationship between Moscow and the separatists, the emails show in great detail how Russia controlled virtually every detail of the separatist effort in the Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine
I read the article and it shows no such thing as it claims.



Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

G, THUGR, MAL4: Oh BTW, please define intelligence.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60903&p=4#1
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Sunday, October 30, 2016 4:23 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


in fact, the entirety of the details it gives consists of:

There are expense reports but it leaves unaddressed what those expenses were - for all it says, it could be coffee and donuts and a proposal for a three-person operation my god, a PROPOSAL for a whole three person operation for separatist propaganda, with an editor, reporter and webmaster.




I TOLD YOU SO will be very sweet indeed, and repeated often.

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Thursday, October 25, 2018 5:41 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Any difference this year?

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Friday, October 26, 2018 12:05 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Any difference this year?

Not so far as I know.

I wondered why the Democrats didn't get on the ball after having had two elections apparently stolen from them. The only reason why not to reform the voting system from top to bottom then was to take advantage of the inherent flaws later.

It's up to each State Secretary to determine voter rolls and how the vote is taken and counted. So the State Secretary of each state can presumably throw the vote in whatever direction they choose.

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Friday, November 9, 2018 9:10 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Any difference this year?

Not so far as I know.

I wondered why the Democrats didn't get on the ball after having had two elections apparently stolen from them. The only reason why not to reform the voting system from top to bottom then was to take advantage of the inherent flaws later.

It's up to each State Secretary to determine voter rolls and how the vote is taken and counted. So the State Secretary of each state can presumably throw the vote in whatever direction they choose.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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No different this year.

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Friday, November 9, 2018 9:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Any difference this year?

Not so far as I know.

I wondered why the Democrats didn't get on the ball after having had two elections apparently stolen from them. The only reason why not to reform the voting system from top to bottom then was to take advantage of the inherent flaws later.

In the 2000 election, how do Democrats correct what Republican Supreme Court Justices did in Florida? Or what Florida Governor Bush did for his Republican brother President Bush?
www.factcheck.org/2008/01/the-florida-recount-of-2000/

In the 2016 election, how do Democrats correct what Republican Congressmen did while investigating Benghazi and Email and Clinton? I'm still waiting for FBI Director (and Republican) Christopher A. Wray to pick up the case that FBI Director (and Republican) James Comey started, but never finished. Attorney General (and Republican) Matthew Whitaker said, before Trump appointed him in a tweet, that he would prosecute Hillary. I look forward to that happening. Obviously, no swing voters were influenced by all these Republican politicians and their chant Lock her up! Lock her up! It must be the Democrats' fault that they could not stop Republicans from making false accusations about felonies.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, November 9, 2018 2:41 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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In the 2000 election, how do Democrats correct what Republican Supreme Court Justices did in Florida? Or what Florida Governor Bush did for his Republican brother President Bush?


What do you mean, "correct for"? There's no way to undo results so far in the past, the only thing to do is to make sure it doesn't happen again.

As I've posted before, the problem with the FL vote wasn't "hanging chads", it was with electronic voting. That was where an electronic voting machine registered something like -17,000 votes for Gore.

Electronic voting (specifically touch screen) also produced votes that were widely at variance with exit polls in 2004. http://www.michaelparenti.org/stolenelections.html

But you forgot what the FL Scy State - Katherine Harris - did for Bush too. She assiduously scrubbed the voter rolls of any category of people that might possible lean Democratic.

*****

So, what to do?

Well, we would have to start with gerrymandering. Congress needs to pass a law, something like the Voting Rights Act, but one which applies to ALL states and which specifically addresses gerrymandering and voter registration fraud and voter roll tampering. Personally, I think these are technical issues which are easily solved with sound statistical sampling methods.

Also, I see nothing wrong with requiring picture ID in order to vote, as long as the requirement is put in place far enough in advance to allow the Secretaries of State and interested political parties the oppty to comb through their rolls and make sure that everyone has the required ID.

And personally, I believe the most secure vote is hand-written and hand-counted ballots. However, if people think that is too expensive, you need a system that uses paper ballots and which maintains an audit of each vote tally, so that the vote tallies can be audited against hand-counted tallies. None of this touch-screen bullshit. Also, Secretaries of State should be required to maintain the actual ballots for at least a year after the vote; there were too many instances in the FL vote of county or local officials tossing the paper rolls of tallies and ballots before the vote was even certified.

AND FINALLY, instead of relying on early voting, Congress should make voting day a national holiday, with paid vacation time for workers.


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Friday, November 9, 2018 3:10 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:

Have at it SIG. I am not going to discuss this with someone who doesn't understand fact from fiction. Instead I'll post this here because you and 1kiki ignored it.

Another story that suggests the Kremlin Orchestrated the Ukraine invasion.

"Payback? Russia Gets Hacked, Revealing Putin Aide's Secrets

A Ukrainian group calling itself Cyber Hunta has released more than a gigabyte of emails and other material from the office of one of Vladimir Putin's top aides, Vladislav Surkov, that show Russia's fingerprints all over the separatist movement in Ukraine.

While the Kremlin has denied the relationship between Moscow and the separatists, the emails show in great detail how Russia controlled virtually every detail of the separatist effort in the Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine, which has torn the country apart and led to a Russian takeover of Crimea."

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/payback-russia-gets-ha
cked-revealing-putin-aide-s-secrets-n673956

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Friday, November 9, 2018 6:59 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

In the 2000 election, how do Democrats correct what Republican Supreme Court Justices did in Florida? Or what Florida Governor Bush did for his Republican brother President Bush?

What do you mean, "correct for"? There's no way to undo results so far in the past, the only thing to do is to make sure it doesn't happen again.

As I've posted before, the problem with the FL vote wasn't "hanging chads", it was with electronic voting. That was where an electronic voting machine registered something like -17,000 votes for Gore.

Electronic voting (specifically touch screen) also produced votes that were widely at variance with exit polls in 2004. http://www.michaelparenti.org/stolenelections.html

But you forgot what the FL Scy State - Katherine Harris - did for Bush too. She assiduously scrubbed the voter rolls of any category of people that might possible lean Democratic.

*****

So, what to do?

Well, we would have to start with gerrymandering. Congress needs to pass a law, something like the Voting Rights Act, but one which applies to ALL states and which specifically addresses gerrymandering and voter registration fraud and voter roll tampering. Personally, I think these are technical issues which are easily solved with sound statistical sampling methods.

Also, I see nothing wrong with requiring picture ID in order to vote, as long as the requirement is put in place far enough in advance to allow the Secretaries of State and interested political parties the oppty to comb through their rolls and make sure that everyone has the required ID.

And personally, I believe the most secure vote is hand-written and hand-counted ballots. However, if people think that is too expensive, you need a system that uses paper ballots and which maintains an audit of each vote tally, so that the vote tallies can be audited against hand-counted tallies. None of this touch-screen bullshit. Also, Secretaries of State should be required to maintain the actual ballots for at least a year after the vote; there were too many instances in the FL vote of county or local officials tossing the paper rolls of tallies and ballots before the vote was even certified.

AND FINALLY, instead of relying on early voting, Congress should make voting day a national holiday, with paid vacation time for workers.

Too many instances in FL?
Obviously not, for the same Criminals perpetrating those crimes then are the same Criminals perpetrating the same crimes now.

FYI, when Ballot Scanners and electronic Voting were introduced, the voter had opportunity to review a printed copy of the Votes the machine recorded, to ensure it was the same votes the voter had cast.
For years now, I am required to feed the ballot into the machine, with no way to determine if the machine recorded the vote accurately.

The Liberals running my polling location have assured me that the machine is recording my vote accurately - without any proof for me, nor them, that that is true.

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Friday, November 9, 2018 7:42 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

FYI, when Ballot Scanners and electronic Voting were introduced, the voter had opportunity to review a printed copy of the Votes the machine recorded, to ensure it was the same votes the voter had cast. For years now, I am required to feed the ballot into the machine, with no way to determine if the machine recorded the vote accurately.
The problem is, it's entirely possible to program a vote-tallying machine to record "X" when you voted "Y", but to spit out a "receipt" that says "Y" even if it counted "X". That's not a foolproof system.

That's why you need a paper ballot that can be hand-counted.

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Friday, November 9, 2018 8:07 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

FYI, when Ballot Scanners and electronic Voting were introduced, the voter had opportunity to review a printed copy of the Votes the machine recorded, to ensure it was the same votes the voter had cast. For years now, I am required to feed the ballot into the machine, with no way to determine if the machine recorded the vote accurately.
The problem is, it's entirely possible to program a vote-tallying machine to record "X" when you voted "Y", but to spit out a "receipt" that says "Y" even if it counted "X". That's not a foolproof system.

That's why you need a paper ballot that can be hand-counted.



Really, this wouldn't work either. At least in no way could it be considered above reproach. Paper ballots could just be miscounted, whether on accident or on purpose, or they could just be lost. Whoopsie!!!

I don't believe that there is any true way to ensure that fraud doesn't happen at one point of the election or another. Even if we're talking extremely Orwellian solutions.

Even if we got rid of all privacy surrounding voting records and you were allowed to verify your own ballot online, how would you know that everybody elses's were valid? If you were able to verify everybody elses ballots, how would you know if they actually voted or not?



Though there are things that we could do to try to curb voter fraud, the truth is it can never be eliminated no matter how pro-tech or anti-tech it is done, short of our creation of an all-powerful, omnipotent and completely unbiased A.I. tracking every step of the way.

But in that case, wouldn't the logical thing to do be to vote for the A.I.?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, November 9, 2018 8:11 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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All that being said, I think the one thing that should be done is to require a photo ID to vote. That would eliminate a lot of the potential problems, but not all of them.

At the same time, I can't stand when people bitch about voter fraud right after an election. It makes them look like crybabies. It made them look like crybabies when they were claiming it was Russia in 2016 and it makes them look like crybabies when "muh Liberals" did it in 2018.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, November 9, 2018 8:11 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

FYI, when Ballot Scanners and electronic Voting were introduced, the voter had opportunity to review a printed copy of the Votes the machine recorded, to ensure it was the same votes the voter had cast. For years now, I am required to feed the ballot into the machine, with no way to determine if the machine recorded the vote accurately.
The problem is, it's entirely possible to program a vote-tallying machine to record "X" when you voted "Y", but to spit out a "receipt" that says "Y" even if it counted "X". That's not a foolproof system.

That's why you need a paper ballot that can be hand-counted.

Agreed on all counts.
But the invisible magic method is far less transparent than making a modicum of effort at the façade of Fidelity.

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Friday, November 9, 2018 8:33 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
All that being said, I think the one thing that should be done is to require a photo ID to vote. That would eliminate a lot of the potential problems, but not all of them.

At the same time, I can't stand when people bitch about voter fraud right after an election. It makes them look like crybabies. It made them look like crybabies when they were claiming it was Russia in 2016 and it makes them look like crybabies when "muh Liberals" did it in 2018.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

Yep, they were crying right after the Honest Election, when polls closed on Tuesday Night. And now Law-Abiding Patriots are crying FOUL while the After-Election count keeps bloating until the Thieves have stolen the Election from Honest.

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Friday, November 9, 2018 9:04 PM

REAVERFAN


As you are all aware, voter fraud is not a problem.

Election fraud is, and it's done in myriad ways. Not by Soros, not by Hillary Clinton.

https://www.businessinsider.com/george-soros-connection-to-voting-mach
ines-2016-10


The simple solution is to stop using voting machines, and use trustworthy methods.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Systems_%26_Software

Other methods would be redistricting to counter the Republican gerrymandering rampant in most red states, and the abolition of the "government for sale" free-for-all resulting from the Citizens United decision.


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Saturday, November 10, 2018 9:36 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


nkaVote Voting System

All direct recording electronic (DRE) voting machines used after January 1, 2006, must have an accessible voter-verified paper audit trail, pursuant to California Elections Code Section 19250. All voters voting on an electronic voting machine should review and verify their ballot choices on this printed paper record, prior to finalizing and casting their ballot. Once the ballot is cast, this paper record of the ballot is retained inside the voting machine as part of the election audit trail to verify the accuracy of the votes recorded. In accordance with California law, voters do not get a printed paper record of their vote choices. [But they can see it as they're marking it]
https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting-systems/oversight/voting-syste
ms-used-counties/how-use-your-countys-voting-system/inkavote-voting-system
/


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Saturday, November 10, 2018 11:42 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
nkaVote Voting System

All direct recording electronic (DRE) voting machines used after January 1, 2006, must have an accessible voter-verified paper audit trail, pursuant to California Elections Code Section 19250. All voters voting on an electronic voting machine should review and verify their ballot choices on this printed paper record, prior to finalizing and casting their ballot. Once the ballot is cast, this paper record of the ballot is retained inside the voting machine as part of the election audit trail to verify the accuracy of the votes recorded. In accordance with California law, voters do not get a printed paper record of their vote choices. [But they can see it as they're marking it]
https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting-systems/oversight/voting-syste
ms-used-counties/how-use-your-countys-voting-system/inkavote-voting-system
/

I used a machine lime that, it seemed to work well. That was in the smallest community I've voted in in the past 30 years, and they did not have rampant Voting Fraud.

The Libtard strongholds (Sanctuary Cities) have steadfastly refused to use machines like that.

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Saturday, November 10, 2018 1:40 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Broward County is doing its usual Dem cluster-fucky "election". Either those people are completely incompetent and can't run a straightforward election, or they're rigging the vote. Either way, the elections officials should be fired, investigated and - if applicable- convicted.


Quote:

Four Broward Recounts Approved Amid Mystery Box Controversy; Elections Supervisor Under Fire

Update: Broward County has reportedly approved recounts in four Florida races, according to CNN. As a noon deadline on Saturday to submit the election results approached, former GOP Rep. Ron DeSantis led Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum by less than 5%, which would require a machine recount.

In the race for Senate, Gov. Rick Scott's lead over Democratic inclumbant Bill Nelson had shrunk to less than .25 percent - which would require a hand recount of all ballots unable to be tabulated by machine.

***

After a Florida Judge ordered Broward County Supervisor of Elections Brenda Snipes to allow for the immediate inspection of tens of thousands of ballots suddenly found after Democrat Sen. Bill Nelson lost to Republican Gov. Rick Scott, Snipes failed to abide by a 7 PM deadline set at the emergency hearing. Instead, workers were filmed by Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) shuffling boxes into a truck, before he was forcibly removed by a police officer.

Earlier:

The scene was reminiscent of election night, when Broward County election officials were seen shuffling mystery boxes into a rented truck.

Gaetz vowed earlier to hold Snipes in contempt for missing the 7PM deadline.

The court was asked to intervene in a tight race for US Senate between Democratic incumbent Sen. Bill Nelson and Republican Gov. Rick Scott, after tens of thousands of ballots mysteriously appeared in Broward County, and another 15,000 in Palm Beach.

Lawyers for Snipes have argued that such a quick response would interfere with the count, while Rep. Bill Nelson has accused Republicans of trying to deny him a seat which he believes he will keep once all the votes are counted.
Rep. Bill Nelson (D-FL)

Republicans have conversely accused Democrats of trying to steal the election.

Who is Brenda Snipes?

Snipes has a sordid history in her 15-years on the job.

In May 2018 a judge ruled that she violated federal and state laws by destroying ballots in a 2016 Congressional race in Tim Canova's bid to unseat Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz in the Democratic primary race.

In August, 2018 a Judge ordered Snipes to stop opening mail-in ballots in secret.

In 2016, Snipes' office "accidentally" posted the results of an election 30 minutes before polls closed at 7 p.m., which was blamed on a private contractor.

Rep. Gaetz, meanwhile, is being called a racist for trying to figure out what exactly is going on in Broward County.

Well, that's the dog-whistle that liberaoids respond to: RACISM!

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Saturday, November 10, 2018 2:18 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Ever since coming to SoCal, I've noticed people are FAR more casual about their names than I ever thought possible, even with their employment records. I've even been wondering all this time how legal that is.

For some reason, a lot of Anglos here drop their first name and go by their middle name. So Jennifer Lisa Jones becomes Lisa Jones, or in a pinch J Lisa Jones. John Thomas Smith becomes Tom Smith, or J Tom Smith. A lot of Asians are assigned western names when they're naturalized, so Hwa-Di becomes Judi. And a lot of Hispanics go by their nicknames. Even last names are up for grabs, depending on who might or might not change their name after marriage, or which parent is listed on the birth certificate, or which parent the kid likes better.

Perhaps the plethora of registered voters happens because people keep re-registering under new versions of their names.

It matters more I think whether or not these people with multiple registrations actually vote multiple times under different names - and honestly, you'd have to be seriously dedicated to do that. Registration fraud in terms of multiple IDs doesn't seem to be an issue to me.

It seems it matters most of all whether or not everyone who is registered and votes is eligible.

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Saturday, November 10, 2018 2:24 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


And then ... there's Broward County. Sheesh.

It just goes to show that if you REALLY want to mess with the vote, you have to be in a position of power.

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Saturday, November 10, 2018 3:41 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
As you are all aware, voter fraud is not a problem.

Election fraud is, and it's done in myriad ways. Not by Soros, not by Hillary Clinton.

https://www.businessinsider.com/george-soros-connection-to-voting-mach
ines-2016-10


The simple solution is to stop using voting machines, and use trustworthy methods.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Systems_%26_Software

Other methods would be redistricting to counter the Republican gerrymandering rampant in most red states, and the abolition of the "government for sale" free-for-all resulting from the Citizens United decision.




Reaver, you're in the middle of a racist sewer. Crazies that hate America and all it stands for. The proof is in their constant attacks against all Reaver, all our democratic institutions. Time to move on buddy.

T


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Saturday, November 10, 2018 4:02 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


In 2000, Gore conceded to Bush in a speech full of high-minded rhetoric about “the law” and how his surrender could “point us all to a new common ground.” Bush officially won Florida by 537 votes and the electoral college by 271-266, and went on to become one of the most catastrophic presidents in U.S. history. Except Bush actually lost and Al Gore won the vote in Florida.

A year later, in November 2001, the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago announced the results of an examination of all 170,000 undervotes and overvotes.

NORC found that with a full statewide hand recount, Gore would have won Florida under every possible vote standard. Depending on which standard was used, his margin of victory would have varied from 60 to 171 votes.

The recount was paid for by a consortium of news outlets — CNN, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Tribune Company, the Washington Post, the Associated Press, the St. Petersburg Times, and the Palm Beach Post. But this was just two months after the September 11 terrorist attacks. The outlets patriotically buried the blockbuster news that George W. Bush was not the legitimate president of the United States.

The Gore campaign wanted everyone to stand down. McAlevey quotes a higher up as telling her, “The Gore campaign has made the decision that this is not the image they want. They don’t want to protest. They don’t want to rock the boat. They don’t want to seem like they don’t have faith in the legal system.”

This was Gore’s central mistake. “You cannot trust ‘the legal process,’” McAlevey explains today. In reality, there is no such thing as a fair legal process separate from and immune to outside political pressure.

The Republicans understood this in 2000, but Democrats did not. Instead, terrified of being portrayed as acting as a mob, the Democrats ceded people power to the GOP — who actually were a mob. “The original use of a mob in recent history was the Brooks Brothers riot,” says McAlevey, who was present when paid Republican staffers famously halted a recount in Miami-Dade. “They were literally throwing chairs and tables.”

More at https://theintercept.com/2018/11/10/democrats-should-remember-al-gore-
won-florida-in-2000-but-lost-the-presidency-with-a-preemptive-surrender
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, November 10, 2018 4:31 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Ever since coming to SoCal, I've noticed people are FAR more casual about their names than I ever thought possible, even with their employment records. I've even been wondering all this time how legal that is.

For some reason, a lot of Anglos here drop their first name and go by their middle name. So Jennifer Lisa Jones becomes Lisa Jones, or in a pinch J Lisa Jones. John Thomas Smith becomes Tom Smith, or J Tom Smith. A lot of Asians are assigned western names when they're naturalized, so Hwa-Di becomes Judi. And a lot of Hispanics go by their nicknames. Even last names are up for grabs, depending on who might or might not change their name after marriage, or which parent is listed on the birth certificate, or which parent the kid likes better.

Perhaps the plethora of registered voters happens because people keep re-registering under new versions of their names.

It matters more I think whether or not these people with multiple registrations actually vote multiple times under different names - and honestly, you'd have to be seriously dedicated to do that. Registration fraud in terms of multiple IDs doesn't seem to be an issue to me.

It seems it matters most of all whether or not everyone who is registered and votes is eligible.

It does not require serious dedication. It is just a game to them. The rules of the Game are publicly available, and Democrats teach and train them how to Cheat, For the Win - using their traditional and time-tested techniques of Fraud.

Have you seen the videos of how gleefully they brag about how many times they voted, how many different ways they committed Election Fraud?

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Saturday, November 10, 2018 5:12 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Broward County .. oy vey!

If you recall, Broward County was the "hanging chad" place of 2000. Apparently, they can't design a decent voting system.

A day after this year's election, somebody "suddenly" discovered boxes full of ballots. Apparently, they can't keep track of their voting materials.

Today, MORE problems are popping up in Broward County!
Quote:

Face palm. Absolute. Face. Palm.

From the New York Times:

Results from Broward [County, Florida] so far indicate that nearly 25,000 people cast votes for governor but not for senator, even though the Senate race came first on the ballot.

Enthusiasm for Mr. Gillum’s candidacy may account for some of the difference, since he excited many voters who cared chiefly about electing him. But some Democrats believe that the design of the ballot used in the county played a role: The Senate contest appeared in the bottom left-hand corner of the first page, beneath the instructions to voters, where it may have been easily overlooked.


How frickin’ hard is it to get this right? Broward is a Democratic county, with a Democratic elections supervisor, Brenda Snipes. You’d think we’d at least be able to design a ballot that doesn’t disadvantage the Democratic candidate. On the other hand, this county has a “patchy track record” when it comes to elections.


No shit. Brenda Snipes needs to be fired, based on her record. https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2018/11/8/1811374/-Butterfly-redux-Bad-
ballot-in-Broward-County-may-cost-Nelson-thousands-of-votes-and-maybe-the-win


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Saturday, November 10, 2018 5:36 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Broward County .. oy vey!

If you recall, Broward County was the "hanging chad" place of 2000. Apparently, they can't design a decent voting system.

A day after this year's election, somebody "suddenly" discovered boxes full of ballots. Apparently, they can't keep track of their voting materials.

Today, MORE problems are popping up in Broward County!
Quote:

Face palm. Absolute. Face. Palm.

From the New York Times:

Results from Broward [County, Florida] so far indicate that nearly 25,000 people cast votes for governor but not for senator, even though the Senate race came first on the ballot.

Enthusiasm for Mr. Gillum’s candidacy may account for some of the difference, since he excited many voters who cared chiefly about electing him. But some Democrats believe that the design of the ballot used in the county played a role: The Senate contest appeared in the bottom left-hand corner of the first page, beneath the instructions to voters, where it may have been easily overlooked.


How frickin’ hard is it to get this right? Broward is a Democratic county, with a Democratic elections supervisor, Brenda Snipes. You’d think we’d at least be able to design a ballot that doesn’t disadvantage the Democratic candidate. On the other hand, this county has a “patchy track record” when it comes to elections.


No shit. Brenda Snipes needs to be fired, based on her record. https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2018/11/8/1811374/-Butterfly-redux-Bad-
ballot-in-Broward-County-may-cost-Nelson-thousands-of-votes-and-maybe-the-win


You seem to o be mistaking intentional repetitive Election Fraud as mere accident, repetitive collisions, accident after accident after accident after accident, perpetrated by the same goons each time.
Unless you ou are being sarcastic. Otherwise, the professional Democrat Criminals are grateful that enough lemmings are as gullible as you.

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Saturday, November 10, 2018 7:50 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
As you are all aware, voter fraud is not a problem.

Election fraud is, and it's done in myriad ways. Not by Soros, not by Hillary Clinton.

https://www.businessinsider.com/george-soros-connection-to-voting-mach
ines-2016-10


The simple solution is to stop using voting machines, and use trustworthy methods.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Systems_%26_Software

Other methods would be redistricting to counter the Republican gerrymandering rampant in most red states, and the abolition of the "government for sale" free-for-all resulting from the Citizens United decision.




Reaver, you're in the middle of a racist sewer. Crazies that hate America and all it stands for. The proof is in their constant attacks against all Reaver, all our democratic institutions. Time to move on buddy.

T





lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, November 11, 2018 12:19 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted:
Quote:

Originally posted:
As you are all aware, voter fraud is not a problem.

Election fraud is, and it's done in myriad ways. Not by Soros, not by Hillary Clinton.

https://www.businessinsider.com/george-soros-connection-to-voting-mach
ines-2016-10


The simple solution is to stop using voting machines, and use trustworthy methods.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Systems_%26_Software

Other methods would be redistricting to counter the Republican gerrymandering rampant in most red states, and the abolition of the "government for sale" free-for-all resulting from the Citizens United decision.


Reaver, you're in the middle of a racist sewer. Crazies that hate America and all it stands for. The proof is in their constant attacks against all Reaver, all our democratic institutions. Time to move on buddy.

T



lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Translation to English?

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Sunday, November 11, 2018 1:11 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Tom Luongo, libertarian, unloading on Broward County, rigged voting, Mike Pompeo and Trump



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Sunday, November 11, 2018 8:13 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted:
Quote:

Originally posted:
As you are all aware, voter fraud is not a problem.

Election fraud is, and it's done in myriad ways. Not by Soros, not by Hillary Clinton.

https://www.businessinsider.com/george-soros-connection-to-voting-mach
ines-2016-10


The simple solution is to stop using voting machines, and use trustworthy methods.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Systems_%26_Software

Other methods would be redistricting to counter the Republican gerrymandering rampant in most red states, and the abolition of the "government for sale" free-for-all resulting from the Citizens United decision.


Reaver, you're in the middle of a racist sewer. Crazies that hate America and all it stands for. The proof is in their constant attacks against all Reaver, all our democratic institutions. Time to move on buddy.

T



lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Translation to English?




lol - Laughing Out Loud

As in, T is a clown and everything he types amuses me.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, November 11, 2018 10:48 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Yes, I know. This will be immortalized in the THUGR lexicon of unintentioally funny moments.
Quote:

Reaver, you're in the middle of a racist sewer. Crazies that hate America and all it stands for. The proof is in their constant attacks against all Reaver
Wha, wait? America stands for Reavers?? Whooda thunk?
Quote:

all our democratic institutions. Time to move on buddy.
IF ONLY!!!


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Sunday, November 11, 2018 10:52 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Curious how these " problems " pop up only in the bluest ( Democratic ) districts , and only after the election is over, staffed by those who have held their positions the longest, and SHOULD be the " experts " at organizing and running things smoothly.

Despite a week or two of pre-election day voting, and the availability to mail in ballots, there doesn't seem to be any possible way to collect and contain all these ballots in a secure, safe and monitored facility or locations.

It's almost like this mass confusion was planned, in advance, to take place.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 11, 2018 11:15 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

It's almost like this mass confusion was planned, in advance, to take place.
Exactly what Luongo said.

But it happens everywhere, RAPPY, not just in blue districts. You're right, tho: Confusion and disorganization - where intentional- only serve those who intend to rig the vote.

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Sunday, November 11, 2018 11:42 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Where are ' found ' ballots appearing, seemingly out of no where, in deep GOP districts, in tight races ?

I missed that on the news.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 11, 2018 12:16 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted:
Quote:

Originally posted:
As you are all aware, voter fraud is not a problem.

Election fraud is, and it's done in myriad ways. Not by Soros, not by Hillary Clinton.

https://www.businessinsider.com/george-soros-connection-to-voting-mach
ines-2016-10


The simple solution is to stop using voting machines, and use trustworthy methods.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Systems_%26_Software

Other methods would be redistricting to counter the Republican gerrymandering rampant in most red states, and the abolition of the "government for sale" free-for-all resulting from the Citizens United decision.


Reaver, you're in the middle of a racist sewer. Crazies that hate America and all it stands for. The proof is in their constant attacks against all Reaver, all our democratic institutions. Time to move on buddy.

T



lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Translation to English?


lol - Laughing Out Loud

As in, T is a clown and everything he types amuses me.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I meant Translation to English of that gibberish you were lolling at.
It seemed like you had understood some of it. So you could share.

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Sunday, November 11, 2018 12:24 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

It's almost like this mass confusion was planned, in advance, to take place.
Exactly what Luongo said.

But it happens everywhere, RAPPY, not just in blue districts. You're right, tho: Confusion and disorganization - where intentional- only serve those who intend to rig the vote.

I would like to hear about one of these Fake Vote Manufacturing facilities in a District with non-D Election Officers.
Can you name one?
Or is this your imagination?

I have not seen this in TN, VA, CA, IL, MN, WI.

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Sunday, November 11, 2018 1:56 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


There's a lot more ways to rig the vote without "finding" ballots. Use your imagination!

Hacked electronic voting/ vote counting. (R)
Katherine Harris and her OBVIOUS manipulation of voter rolls. (R)
Threatening-looking "security" people patrolling the voting area. (D)
Non-valid voter registration (Project Acorn, anyone?)

Or the latest: Last-minute changes to voter ID requirements. Specifically a Republican effort in N Dakota:

Quote:

Many Native IDs Won't Be Accepted At North Dakota Polling Places

Native American groups in North Dakota are scrambling to help members acquire new addresses, and new IDs, in the few weeks remaining before Election Day — the only way that some residents will be able to vote.

This week, the Supreme Court declined to overturn North Dakota's controversial voter ID law, which requires residents to show identification with a current street address. A P.O. box does not qualify.

Many Native American reservations, however, do not use physical street addresses. Native Americans are also overrepresented in the homeless population, according to the Urban Institute. As a result, Native residents often use P.O. boxes for their mailing addresses and may rely on tribal identification that doesn't list an address.

This not only discriminates against homeless people and Native Americans, it discriminates against ANYONE who lives in the deep country, where homes don't always have street addresses.

I'm all for secure, properly ID'd, FAIR voting. But disenfranchising people like this just stinks.

Neither party plays fair. Except for in CA, where boundaries are drawn by a non-partisan commission, voting has seldom been reformed.



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Sunday, November 11, 2018 2:52 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

It's almost like this mass confusion was planned, in advance, to take place.
Exactly what Luongo said.

But it happens everywhere, RAPPY, not just in blue districts. You're right, tho: Confusion and disorganization - where intentional- only serve those who intend to rig the vote.

I would like to hear about one of these Fake Vote Manufacturing facilities in a District with non-D Election Officers.
Can you name one?
Or is this your imagination?

I have not seen this in TN, VA, CA, IL, MN, WI.

So you admit it was your imagination.

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Sunday, November 11, 2018 3:04 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Broward County is doing its usual Dem cluster-fucky "election". Either those people are completely incompetent and can't run a straightforward election, or they're rigging the vote. Either way, the elections officials should be fired, investigated and - if applicable- convicted.
Quote:

Four Broward Recounts Approved Amid Mystery Box Controversy; Elections Supervisor Under Fire

Update: Broward County has reportedly approved recounts in four Florida races, according to CNN. As a noon deadline on Saturday to submit the election results approached, former GOP Rep. Ron DeSantis led Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum by less than 5%, which would require a machine recount.

In the race for Senate, Gov. Rick Scott's lead over Democratic inclumbant Bill Nelson had shrunk to less than .25 percent - which would require a hand recount of all ballots unable to be tabulated by machine.

***

After a Florida Judge ordered Broward County Supervisor of Elections Brenda Snipes to allow for the immediate inspection of tens of thousands of ballots suddenly found after Democrat Sen. Bill Nelson lost to Republican Gov. Rick Scott, Snipes failed to abide by a 7 PM deadline set at the emergency hearing. Instead, workers were filmed by Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) shuffling boxes into a truck, before he was forcibly removed by a police officer.

Earlier:

The scene was reminiscent of election night, when Broward County election officials were seen shuffling mystery boxes into a rented truck.

Gaetz vowed earlier to hold Snipes in contempt for missing the 7PM deadline.

The court was asked to intervene in a tight race for US Senate between Democratic incumbent Sen. Bill Nelson and Republican Gov. Rick Scott, after tens of thousands of ballots mysteriously appeared in Broward County, and another 15,000 in Palm Beach.

Lawyers for Snipes have argued that such a quick response would interfere with the count, while Rep. Bill Nelson has accused Republicans of trying to deny him a seat which he believes he will keep once all the votes are counted.
Rep. Bill Nelson (D-FL)

Republicans have conversely accused Democrats of trying to steal the election.

Who is Brenda Snipes?

Snipes has a sordid history in her 15-years on the job.

In May 2018 a judge ruled that she violated federal and state laws by destroying ballots in a 2016 Congressional race in Tim Canova's bid to unseat Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz in the Democratic primary race.

In August, 2018 a Judge ordered Snipes to stop opening mail-in ballots in secret.

In 2016, Snipes' office "accidentally" posted the results of an election 30 minutes before polls closed at 7 p.m., which was blamed on a private contractor.

Rep. Gaetz, meanwhile, is being called a racist for trying to figure out what exactly is going on in Broward County.

Well, that's the dog-whistle that liberaoids respond to: RACISM!

Where was this quote sourced from?

Accidentally posting the specific Voting tally before Voting poll booths were even closed. No reason for concern here, ignore that man behind the curtain.

Almost as suspicious as Detectives announcing the specific Crime Lab test results of "Evidence" in the OJ Simpson case. Announced a full day before the Crime Lab even received the "evidence" so they could start testing it.

Good thing chillen are not allowed to learn critical thought or logic.

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Sunday, November 11, 2018 3:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There's a lot more ways to rig the vote without "finding" ballots. Use your imagination!

Hacked electronic voting/ vote counting. (R)
Katherine Harris and her OBVIOUS manipulation of voter rolls. (R)
Threatening-looking "security" people patrolling the voting area. (D)
Non-valid voter registration (Project Acorn, anyone?)

Or the latest: Last-minute changes to voter ID requirements. Specifically a Republican effort in N Dakota:
Quote:

Many Native IDs Won't Be Accepted At North Dakota Polling Places

Native American groups in North Dakota are scrambling to help members acquire new addresses, and new IDs, in the few weeks remaining before Election Day — the only way that some residents will be able to vote.

This week, the Supreme Court declined to overturn North Dakota's controversial voter ID law, which requires residents to show identification with a current street address. A P.O. box does not qualify.

Many Native American reservations, however, do not use physical street addresses. Native Americans are also overrepresented in the homeless population, according to the Urban Institute. As a result, Native residents often use P.O. boxes for their mailing addresses and may rely on tribal identification that doesn't list an address.

This not only discriminates against homeless people and Native Americans, it discriminates against ANYONE who lives in the deep country, where homes don't always have street addresses.

I'm all for secure, properly ID'd, FAIR voting. But disenfranchising people like this just stinks.

Neither party plays fair. Except for in CA, where boundaries are drawn by a non-partisan commission, voting has seldom been reformed.

Good Luck explaining your lie to Robert Dornan.
Except for CA my azz.

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Sunday, November 11, 2018 5:29 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Good Luck explaining your lie to Robert Dornan.
I have no idea of the point that you're trying to make.

The CA district boundaries are drawn by a non-partisan commission.
Quote:

The remaining states -- Alaska, Arizona, California, Idaho, Montana, and Washington -- all draw both state and federal districts using an independent commission, with regulations limiting direct participation by elected officials ... Members of these commissions are neither legislators nor public officials. Each state also bans commissioners from running for office in the districts they draw, at least for a few years after the commission finishes its work.
http://redistricting.lls.edu/who.php

However, California VOTER ROLLS are another story!

Like I said, there are a lot of ways to manipulate the vote, and both parties have figured out every possible angle on gaining advantage. It's what political parties do, neh?

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Sunday, November 11, 2018 5:33 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Where did I get that from??

https://www.npr.org/2018/10/13/657125819/many-native-ids-wont-be-accep
ted-at-north-dakota-polling-places

https://fox4kc.com/2018/10/13/native-americans-run-into-huge-voting-hu
rdle-in-north-dakota
/
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/10/13/npr-many-native-american-ids-
not-accepted-north-dakota-polling-places


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Sunday, November 11, 2018 7:17 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Like I said, there are a lot of ways to manipulate the vote, and both parties have figured out every possible angle on gaining advantage. It's what political parties do, neh? SIGNY
I just want to expand on that a bit. Once you have political parties and those entities are given some control over how votes are conducted, it's an evolutionary inevitability that the party (parties) which exercise the most effective control over the vote will get more of it's members in office, gain MORE control over the voting process, and survive and thrive. So unless laws are written which specifically bar those manipulative activities, and policies are in place that ENSURE that voters are represented it will be the law of the jungle. Political parties seeking to take advantage? In a way, they're just fulfilling their purpose.

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Sunday, November 11, 2018 7:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Broward County is doing its usual Dem cluster-fucky "election". Either those people are completely incompetent and can't run a straightforward election, or they're rigging the vote. Either way, the elections officials should be fired, investigated and - if applicable- convicted.
Quote:

Four Broward Recounts Approved Amid Mystery Box Controversy; Elections Supervisor Under Fire

Update: Broward County has reportedly approved recounts in four Florida races, according to CNN. As a noon deadline on Saturday to submit the election results approached, former GOP Rep. Ron DeSantis led Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum by less than 5%, which would require a machine recount.

In the race for Senate, Gov. Rick Scott's lead over Democratic inclumbant Bill Nelson had shrunk to less than .25 percent - which would require a hand recount of all ballots unable to be tabulated by machine.

***

After a Florida Judge ordered Broward County Supervisor of Elections Brenda Snipes to allow for the immediate inspection of tens of thousands of ballots suddenly found after Democrat Sen. Bill Nelson lost to Republican Gov. Rick Scott, Snipes failed to abide by a 7 PM deadline set at the emergency hearing. Instead, workers were filmed by Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) shuffling boxes into a truck, before he was forcibly removed by a police officer.

Earlier:

The scene was reminiscent of election night, when Broward County election officials were seen shuffling mystery boxes into a rented truck.

Gaetz vowed earlier to hold Snipes in contempt for missing the 7PM deadline.

The court was asked to intervene in a tight race for US Senate between Democratic incumbent Sen. Bill Nelson and Republican Gov. Rick Scott, after tens of thousands of ballots mysteriously appeared in Broward County, and another 15,000 in Palm Beach.

Lawyers for Snipes have argued that such a quick response would interfere with the count, while Rep. Bill Nelson has accused Republicans of trying to deny him a seat which he believes he will keep once all the votes are counted.
Rep. Bill Nelson (D-FL)

Republicans have conversely accused Democrats of trying to steal the election.

Who is Brenda Snipes?

Snipes has a sordid history in her 15-years on the job.

In May 2018 a judge ruled that she violated federal and state laws by destroying ballots in a 2016 Congressional race in Tim Canova's bid to unseat Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz in the Democratic primary race.

In August, 2018 a Judge ordered Snipes to stop opening mail-in ballots in secret.

In 2016, Snipes' office "accidentally" posted the results of an election 30 minutes before polls closed at 7 p.m., which was blamed on a private contractor.

Rep. Gaetz, meanwhile, is being called a racist for trying to figure out what exactly is going on in Broward County.

Well, that's the dog-whistle that liberaoids respond to: RACISM!

Yes, where did you get that from?

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