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an ACTUAL problem with Trump - ie, not fake news

POSTED BY: 1KIKI
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Monday, January 16, 2017 7:49 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


One of the things disturbing about Trump is that his nominees go off the reservation when it comes to Trump's agenda of record.

This is just one listing of many on the inet:

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-cabinet-nominees-disagree_us
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Retired Gen. James Mattis

The man chosen to lead the Pentagon broke with the president-elect on a number of key issues during his confirmation hearing on Thursday.

Mattis said that Russian President Vladimir Putin is “trying to break” NATO, describing the current world order as being “under the biggest attack since World War II.” Trump has expressed his admiration for Putin, and has repeatedly declined to criticize his meddling in the U.S. election.

The retired general said the U.S. must abide by the Iran nuclear deal, even though he said it had imperfections, because America must keep its word. Trump has promised to rescind the deal.

And the defense secretary nominee expressed a “very, very high degree of confidence in our intelligence community.” Trump has criticized the intelligence community in recent days, calling it “politicized.”

Rep. Mike Pompeo

The man chosen to lead the CIA implied he would uphold the Iran nuclear agreement, even though he was one of its most outspoken critics on Capitol Hill. At his hearing on Thursday, he acknowledged that, if confirmed, “my role will change.”

He also broke with Trump on the matter of Russia meddling in the U.S. election.

“It’s pretty clear about what took place, about Russian involvement in efforts to hack information and have an impact on American democracy,” Pompeo told the Intelligence Committee. “It is something that America needs to take seriously.”

Former Exxon Mobil Corp. CEO Rex Tillerson

Trump’s nominee to lead the State Department seemed to diverge from Trump on a number of pertinent issues.

He said Wednesday that he finds U.S. intelligence assessments that say Russia interfered in the election “clearly troubling.” He criticized Moscow for its behavior on the world stage ? something Trump has refrained from doing ? by denouncing its annexation of Crimea in 2014. He also said he supported existing economic sanctions on Russia, even though his former company lobbied against them.

Tillerson said he did not agree with Trump when the president-elect said last year that it wouldn’t be “so bad” if more countries possessed nuclear weapons.

On climate, the former Exxon Mobil CEO hinted that he would support keeping the U.S. in the historic Paris climate agreement.

He also supported the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal that Trump reviles, and opposed a Muslim ban.

Tillerson told Sen. Chris Coons (D-Del.) that he wanted to the job despite these many differences, because Trump “has been very open and inviting of hearing my views, and respectful of those views.”

He admitted, though, that ultimately “the president will decide.”

Sen. Jeff Sessions

The Alabama Republican declared waterboarding illegal, even though Trump has pledged to reinstate the torture method.

“Congress has taken an action now that makes it absolutely improper and illegal to use waterboarding or any other form of torture,” Sessions told the Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday.

The controversial immigration hawk said he doesn’t support Trump’s proposal to ban Muslims from entering the United States, an early promise that the campaign subsequently altered to focus on “extreme vetting” of people coming from certain countries.

“I have no belief and do not support the idea that Muslims as a religious group should be denied admission to the United States,” Sessions said at the hearing. “We have great Muslim citizens who have contributed in so many different ways.”

Like other Trump nominees, Sessions also expressed his faith in the U.S. intelligence community.

“I have no reason to doubt that and have no evidence that would indicate otherwise,” Sessions said of the intelligence community’s findings regarding Russia meddling in the election.

With many women’s rights groups opposed to his nomination, Sessions also took a firmer stance on the issue of sexual assault. Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) asked the nominee during his hearing on Tuesday whether grabbing a woman by her genitals ? a reference to the infamous 2005 “Access Hollywood” tape on which Trump could be heard boasting about grabbing women without consent ? constituted sexual assault.

“Clearly it would be,” the attorney general nominee said.

Prior to the election, Sessions reportedly said he wasn’t sure if the actions would be considered sexual assault, according to the Weekly Standard.

Retired. Marine Corps Gen. John Kelly

Regarding Trump’s proposed Muslim ban, the homeland security pick told a Senate committee on Tuesday that he does not “agree with registering people based on [ethnicity] or religion or anything like that” and would not bring back a registry program “unless there was some really compelling reason.”

Perhaps most remarkably, Kelly seemed highly unimpressed with Trump’s signature pledge to build a huge wall along the United States’ border with Mexico, saying it “will not do the job.” Kelly said he favors a much more comprehensive “layered” approach that starts with working with leaders south of the border to stem the problems at their source.



I think it's a problem because there doesn't seem to be a rational reason for such disunity, except to provide plausible deniability.

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Monday, January 16, 2017 9:28 PM

RIVERLOVE


That's a strength, not a problem. No President should be surrounded by a bunch of yes men.

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Monday, January 16, 2017 10:51 PM

THGRRI


This is about to get interesting. I hear I told you so being said for the next four years. That's if he can manage to stay out of jail for that long.

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Monday, January 16, 2017 11:11 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:
That's a strength, not a problem. No President should be surrounded by a bunch of yes men.



I agree 1000% with this statement.

One of the biggest problems of the last 8 years were the high level yes men and women Obama had surrounding him.


Our Government does the least harm to its citizens when it's too busy fighting each other.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, January 17, 2017 12:05 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I don't see having people who disagree as a problem.

What I think is a problem is people answering policy questions with their own personal opinions. It gives rise to a situation where Trump could say 'my intelligence person told me to do this' .. where 'this' is in direct contradiction to expressed goals. Or the intelligence person might say 'Trump's my boss and I was following orders' if the person is accused of bad judgment or malfeasance.

I can see FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) being deliberately sown that way.

BTW, this has been an escalating problem recently, with officials of all stripes, including Supreme Court justices, blabbing personal opinions. It raises questions about their ability to do their jobs impartially. Now I realize everyone is entitled to an opinion. And theoretically at least everyone is entitled to freedom of speech. But even from the lowly position of union steward and negotiator, we were warned to keep our personal opinions out of potential union issues.




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Tuesday, January 17, 2017 12:07 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

I hear I told you so being said for the next four years.
Then I guess it's a good thing I've never been pro-Trump. It'll save you a lot of wasted effort.




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Tuesday, January 17, 2017 1:10 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
What I think is a problem is people answering policy questions with their own personal opinions. It gives rise to a situation where Trump could say 'my intelligence person told me to do this' .. where 'this' is in direct contradiction to expressed goals. Or the intelligence person might say 'Trump's my boss and I was following orders' if the person is accused of bad judgment or malfeasance.

I can see FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) being deliberately sown that way.

BTW, this has been an escalating problem recently, with officials of all stripes, including Supreme Court justices, blabbing personal opinions. It raises questions about their ability to do their jobs impartially. Now I realize everyone is entitled to an opinion. And theoretically at least everyone is entitled to freedom of speech. But even from the lowly position of union steward and negotiator, we were warned to keep our personal opinions out of potential union issues.



Excellent point, that.

Loose lips sink ships and all...

I think everybody, including those in power, have watched WAY too much reality TV and MSM and "shutting the F*CK up" seems to be a dying art......

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, January 18, 2017 1:36 PM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

.. and "shutting the F*CK up" seems to be a dying art......


Angels and ministers of grace defend us.

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