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Sunday, October 7, 2018 11:41 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

People SHOULD be mentally much more robust to outside ideas; they should be able to parse information rationally no matter what the source; remember what happened ten days .. or ten years... ago; and be able to identify their own interests so that they can judge campaign promises realistically.



"SHOULD" - that's funny. You owe me another keyboard. The People have proven they are not reliable when it comes to thinking - look at your typical Trump supporter. Dumb as dirt. The very people Trump sh*ts on, they're at his rallies slurping him up. That's why Russia's hacking was so successful and why they keep doing it everywhere they can. But... you... know... all... this...

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Sunday, October 7, 2018 12:17 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


One way to bring America up to speed is to dump us into the rough-and-tumble of free speech. Shadow-banning/ censorship is NOT the way to sharpen the intellect. And running into the deep dark echo-chamber of preference simply guarantees that you will remain as stupid and gullible as you were before.

Hell, if you can't come up with RATIONAL argument for what your POV is better than something on RT (for example) then you must be stupider than the average Russian.

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Sunday, October 7, 2018 12:34 PM

REAVERFAN



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Sunday, October 7, 2018 12:37 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
One way to bring America up to speed is to dump us into the rough-and-tumble of free speech. Shadow-banning/ censorship is NOT the way to sharpen the intellect. And running into the deep dark echo-chamber of preference simply guarantees that you will remain as stupid and gullible as you were before.


That's rich, coming from a Russian troll.

Your opinions are shit. Your "intellect" consists of parroted talking points. Lying for a living. Your life is shit.

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Sunday, October 7, 2018 12:54 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


REAVER:
That's rich, coming from a troll.
Your opinions are shit. Your "intellect" consists of personal attacks. Trolling for a living. Your life is shit, and so are you.

****

Now, at some point do you think you might come up with something OTHER THAN defamatory personal attacks? ANY display of logic, analysis, or intellect? A discussion of THE ISSUES? Or will you continue to reside in your own asshole for the foreseeable future?



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Sunday, October 7, 2018 10:20 PM

REAVERFAN


You're shit. That's just a known fact.

Certainly not an American, and your talking points give you away.

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Monday, October 8, 2018 5:38 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
You don't agree with my childlike, narrow-minded view of the world, therefore you can't be one of the 320+ Million people with a US Zipcode.



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Friday, October 19, 2018 6:22 PM

THG


Russian Oligarch Funded ‘Troll Farm’ To Interfere In 2018 Midterm Elections: Feds

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/midterms-russian-interference_us_
5bca231be4b0d38b5877e5f3


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Friday, August 23, 2019 10:36 AM

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Former Republicans Question What Happened To Their Party





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Saturday, September 14, 2019 12:35 PM

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We're Seeing The Death Of Democracy In America & Europe


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Sunday, November 24, 2019 11:18 AM

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Tuesday, November 26, 2019 10:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

I also want to upend ' liberal democracy '.

Too much honesty about our leaders and their corruption!! Oh no!!


Spare me.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.



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Tuesday, November 26, 2019 10:36 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by THG:
Russian Oligarch Funded ‘Troll Farm’ To Interfere In 2018 Midterm Elections: Feds

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/midterms-russian-interference_us_
5bca231be4b0d38b5877e5f3


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Hey look!

HuffPo was lying about this in 2018 too!

But the good news is, we beat the Russians in the mid-terms, so we didn't have to hear about it again until the impeachment hearing.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:

Former Ukraine finance minister:

Russia's interference in the U.S. election was but the latest and most audacious episode in Moscow's ongoing effort to destroy liberal democracy and the Trans-Atlantic partnership, says a top Ukrainian leader. "The information attacks, the propaganda, the cyberattacks. We've lived through all the things they tested first in Ukraine," Natalie Jaresko, the country's former finance minister told David Axelrod on The Axe Files podcast, a joint production of CNN and the University of Chicago's Institute of Politics.

"It's shocking that they would take the risk of doing that in the United States. And now it appears -- I've seen reports -- Germany, France and elsewhere. "

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/natalie-jaresko-axe-files/index
.html




And Trump is his best ally in this.



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Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:27 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Define "Liberal Democracy"


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Tuesday, November 26, 2019 4:11 PM

THG


Even though Jack is sitting at a computer when he asks what is Liberal Democracy he can't figure how to find out what it is by himself.

Here you go dummy. A liberal Democracy is what Trump along with you trolls, claim to want while trying your damndest to destroy it.

Liberal democracy is a liberal political ideology and a form of government in which representative democracy operates under the principles of classical liberalism. Also referred to as Western democracy, it is characterised by elections between multiple distinct political parties, a separation of powers into different branches of government, the rule of law in everyday life as part of an open society, a market economy with private property and the equal protection of human rights, civil rights, civil liberties and political freedoms for all people. To define the system in practice, liberal democracies often draw upon a constitution, either formally written or uncodified, to delineate the powers of government and enshrine the social contract. After a period of sustained expansion throughout the 20th century, liberal democracy became the predominant political system in the world.

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Tuesday, November 26, 2019 4:49 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


From where I'm sitting, that's exactly what you Lefty Looney Toons are trying to tear down.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, December 3, 2019 2:37 PM

THG


Putin approves law targeting journalists as 'foreign agents'

Vladimir Putin has signed a law that will allow Russia to declare journalists and bloggers as “foreign agents” in a move critics say will allow the Kremlin to target government critics.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-approves-law-targeting-jour
nalists-as-foreign-agents/ar-BBXGvc7?ocid=spartandhp


Dear comrades kiki, and sig. While you're bashing America, your homeland is crumbling. It's turning into one big gulag. A country that is just one big penal system. Don't forget to show your papers when you visit your relatives there.

Dos Vadanya

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Tuesday, December 3, 2019 7:40 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

From where I'm sitting, that's exactly what you Lefty Looney Toons are trying to tear down.




Lindsey Graham says he's '1,000% confident' Russia meddled in 2016 US election -- not Ukraine

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham on Tuesday said he is "1,000% confident" that Russia, not Ukraine, meddled in the 2016 US presidential election, breaking from President Donald Trump and others in his party who have pushed the discredited conspiracy theory.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/lindsey-graham-says-hes-1000pe
rcent-confident-russia-meddled-in-2016-us-election-not-ukraine/ar-BBXIwg8?ocid=spartandhp


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Tuesday, December 3, 2019 8:04 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by THG:
Putin approves law targeting journalists as 'foreign agents'

Vladimir Putin has signed a law that will allow Russia to declare journalists and bloggers as “foreign agents” in a move critics say will allow the Kremlin to target government critics.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-approves-law-targeting-jour
nalists-as-foreign-agents/ar-BBXGvc7?ocid=spartandhp


Dear comrades kiki, and sig. While you're bashing America, your homeland is crumbling. It's turning into one big gulag. A country that is just one big penal system. Don't forget to show your papers when you visit your relatives there.

Dos Vadanya

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Tuesday, December 3, 2019 8:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Putin approves law targeting journalists as 'foreign agents'

Vladimir Putin has signed a law that will allow Russia to declare journalists and bloggers as “foreign agents” in a move critics say will allow the Kremlin to target government critics.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-approves-law-targeting-jour
nalists-as-foreign-agents/ar-BBXGvc7?ocid=spartandhp


Dear comrades kiki, and sig. While you're bashing America, your homeland is crumbling. It's turning into one big gulag. A country that is just one big penal system. Don't forget to show your papers when you visit your relatives there.

Dos Vadanya



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Tuesday, December 3, 2019 8:19 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Putin approves law targeting journalists as 'foreign agents'

Vladimir Putin has signed a law that will allow Russia to declare journalists and bloggers as “foreign agents” in a move critics say will allow the Kremlin to target government critics.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-approves-law-targeting-jour
nalists-as-foreign-agents/ar-BBXGvc7?ocid=spartandhp


Dear comrades kiki, and sig. While you're bashing America, your homeland is crumbling. It's turning into one big gulag. A country that is just one big penal system. Don't forget to show your papers when you visit your relatives there.

Dos Vadanya



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Tuesday, December 3, 2019 8:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

From where I'm sitting, that's exactly what you Lefty Looney Toons are trying to tear down.




Lindsey Graham says he's '1,000% confident' Russia meddled in 2016 US election -- not Ukraine

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham on Tuesday said he is "1,000% confident" that Russia, not Ukraine, meddled in the 2016 US presidential election, breaking from President Donald Trump and others in his party who have pushed the discredited conspiracy theory.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/lindsey-graham-says-hes-1000pe
rcent-confident-russia-meddled-in-2016-us-election-not-ukraine/ar-BBXIwg8?ocid=spartandhp


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Thursday, December 5, 2019 6:34 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

I also want to upend ' liberal democracy '.

Too much honesty about our leaders and their corruption!! Oh no!!


Spare me.







A liberal democracy is a form of representative democracy in which elected representatives who hold power are limited by a constitution that emphasizes protecting individual liberties, equality and the rights of minority groups. Among the many liberties that might be protected are freedom of speech and assembly, freedom of religion, the right to private property and privacy as well as equality before the law and due process under the rule of law. Such constitutional rights, also called liberal rights, are guaranteed through various controlled institutions and statutory laws. Additionally, the constitutions of most contemporary liberal democracies prohibits majoritarianism, which is rule by the will of majority, when it harms those in the minority.


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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 2:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Former Ukraine finance minister:

Russia's interference in the U.S. election was but the latest and most audacious episode in Moscow's ongoing effort to destroy liberal democracy and the Trans-Atlantic partnership, says a top Ukrainian leader. "The information attacks, the propaganda, the cyberattacks. We've lived through all the things they tested first in Ukraine," Natalie Jaresko, the country's former finance minister told David Axelrod on The Axe Files podcast, a joint production of CNN and the University of Chicago's Institute of Politics.

"It's shocking that they would take the risk of doing that in the United States. And now it appears -- I've seen reports -- Germany, France and elsewhere. "

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/natalie-jaresko-axe-files/index
.html




And Trump is his best ally in this.



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GOP Still Refuses To Protect U.S. From Russian Interference


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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 3:43 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

I also want to upend ' liberal democracy '.

Too much honesty about our leaders and their corruption!! Oh no!!


Spare me.







A liberal democracy is a form of representative democracy in which elected representatives who hold power are limited by a constitution that emphasizes protecting individual liberties, equality and the rights of minority groups. Among the many liberties that might be protected are freedom of speech and assembly, freedom of religion, the right to private property and privacy as well as equality before the law and due process under the rule of law. Such constitutional rights, also called liberal rights, are guaranteed through various controlled institutions and statutory laws. Additionally, the constitutions of most contemporary liberal democracies prohibits majoritarianism, which is rule by the will of majority, when it harms those in the minority.


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Do you suppose that Democrat politicians are aware of that and they're just ignoring it?

Because everything that they say and do today are in complete contradiction with that mission statement.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 4:20 PM

THG


I'll let second explain it to you moron. I'm sure he'll be by shortly.

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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 4:41 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by THG:
I'll let second explain it to you moron. I'm sure he'll be by shortly.

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lol

He's going to explain to me how the definition of Liberal Democracy is not what Democrat voters or politicians actually do?

Good luck with that.

No... He's going to come in here, quote one sentence out of one of my replies, and then go on some completely unrelated tangent like he always does.


I think you had better handle this one yourself, dummy.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 7:13 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

lol

He's going to explain to me how the definition of Liberal Democracy is not what Democrat voters or politicians actually do?

Good luck with that.

No... He's going to come in here, quote one sentence out of one of my replies, and then go on some completely unrelated tangent like he always does.


I think you had better handle this one yourself, dummy.

As we all know, Donald Trump spent many months last year trying to force Ukraine to announce an investigation into Hunter Biden’s work for a Ukrainian energy company called Burisma Holdings. The idea was to imply that (a) Hunter was employed solely to curry favor with Joe Biden, and (b) Joe Biden therefore treated Burisma favorably when he was vice president. There was never any evidence for any of this, but Trump tried and tried to extort Ukrainian officials into insinuating it anyway. This failed, and eventually led to impeachment charges in Congress.

But just because Trump failed didn’t mean that his friends all gave up. By an enormous coincidence, it turns out that Trump’s Russian buddies from the 2016 campaign decided to investigate Burisma:

The Russian spy agency known as the GRU launched a cyber “phishing” campaign against Burisma Holdings to trick unsuspecting employees into giving up their email credentials so the hackers could gain access to their email accounts — once again entangling Moscow in domestic U.S. politics, according to Area 1 Security, a Redwood City, Calif., company.

The operation’s launch coincided with a congressional impeachment inquiry into Trump and whether he abused his office by seeking to press Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky into announcing a probe of Burisma and Hunter Biden — an action that conceivably would aid Trump’s reelection bid.

The New York Times adds this:

The Russian attacks on Burisma appear to be running parallel to an effort by Russian spies in Ukraine to dig up information in the analog world that could embarrass the Bidens, according to an American security official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence. The spies, the official said, are trying to penetrate Burisma and working sources in the Ukrainian government in search of emails, financial records and legal documents.

In other words, the Russians are beavering away in all areas to try and find something that might look bad for Joe Biden. Did Trump ask them to do this? He just announced on TV what he’d like to see happen and the Russians took the hint. If they find anything, they’ll launder it through a couple of cutouts and then leak it to some friendly reporters. Will the American press be less credulous about reporting this stuff than they were in 2016? I wouldn’t count on it no matter how often they say they’ve learned their lesson. “But it’s newsworthy,” they’ll say.

More at www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/01/russia-is-once-again-helping-ou
t-its-buddy-donald-trump
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 7:29 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

lol

He's going to explain to me how the definition of Liberal Democracy is not what Democrat voters or politicians actually do?

Good luck with that.

No... He's going to come in here, quote one sentence out of one of my replies, and then go on some completely unrelated tangent like he always does.


I think you had better handle this one yourself, dummy.

As we all know, Donald Trump spent many months last year trying to force Ukraine to announce an investigation into Hunter Biden’s work for a Ukrainian energy company called Burisma Holdings. The idea was to imply that (a) Hunter was employed solely to curry favor with Joe Biden, and (b) Joe Biden therefore treated Burisma favorably when he was vice president. There was never any evidence for any of this, but Trump tried and tried to extort Ukrainian officials into insinuating it anyway. This failed, and eventually led to impeachment charges in Congress.

But just because Trump failed didn’t mean that his friends all gave up. By an enormous coincidence, it turns out that Trump’s Russian buddies from the 2016 campaign decided to investigate Burisma:

The Russian spy agency known as the GRU launched a cyber “phishing” campaign against Burisma Holdings to trick unsuspecting employees into giving up their email credentials so the hackers could gain access to their email accounts — once again entangling Moscow in domestic U.S. politics, according to Area 1 Security, a Redwood City, Calif., company.

The operation’s launch coincided with a congressional impeachment inquiry into Trump and whether he abused his office by seeking to press Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky into announcing a probe of Burisma and Hunter Biden — an action that conceivably would aid Trump’s reelection bid.

The New York Times adds this:

The Russian attacks on Burisma appear to be running parallel to an effort by Russian spies in Ukraine to dig up information in the analog world that could embarrass the Bidens, according to an American security official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence. The spies, the official said, are trying to penetrate Burisma and working sources in the Ukrainian government in search of emails, financial records and legal documents.

In other words, the Russians are beavering away in all areas to try and find something that might look bad for Joe Biden. Did Trump ask them to do this? He just announced on TV what he’d like to see happen and the Russians took the hint. If they find anything, they’ll launder it through a couple of cutouts and then leak it to some friendly reporters. Will the American press be less credulous about reporting this stuff than they were in 2016? I wouldn’t count on it no matter how often they say they’ve learned their lesson. “But it’s newsworthy,” they’ll say.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly




Right on cue, I see.


What did I tell you T?

You can smell that turd from a mile away.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 7:36 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Right on cue, I see.


What did I tell you T?

You can smell that turd from a mile away.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

If by Turd you mean Trump, the whole world smells him, except for Trump voters.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 9:05 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63460

Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts.

Encourage substantive debate on the evidence by knowledgeable proponents of all points of view.

Arguments from authority carry little weight (in science there are no "authorities").

Spin more than one hypothesis - don't simply run with the first idea that caught your fancy.

Try not to get overly attached to a hypothesis just because it's yours.

Quantify, wherever possible.

If there is a chain of argument every link in the chain must work.

Occam's razor - if there are two hypotheses that explain the data equally well choose the simpler.

Ask whether the hypothesis can, at least in principle, be falsified (shown to be false by some unambiguous test). In other words, it is testable? Can others duplicate the experiment and get the same result?

http://carlsagan.com/index_ideascontent.htm

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As we all know,
Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts.
Arguments from authority carry little weight (in science there are no "authorities").


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Donald Trump spent many months last year trying to
Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts.
Encourage substantive debate on the evidence by knowledgeable proponents of all points of view.
Quantify, wherever possible.
Arguments from authority carry little weight (in science there are no "authorities").


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force
Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts. (in this case the evidence in the testimony disproves this statement)
(because of that, every following statement should be read with the understanding that this requirement was failed: If there is a chain of argument every link in the chain must work.)
Spin more than one hypothesis - don't simply run with the first idea that caught your fancy. (or caters to your hatreds)


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Ukraine to announce an investigation into Hunter Biden’s work
Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts. (in this case the evidence in the transcript disproves this statement)


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for a Ukrainian energy company called Burisma Holdings.
Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts. (in this case the evidence in the transcript shows Burisma wasn't mentioned by name at all)


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The idea
Arguments from authority carry little weight (in science there are no "authorities").
Spin more than one hypothesis - don't simply run with the first idea that caught your fancy.


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was to imply that (a) Hunter was employed solely to curry favor with Joe Biden, and (b) Joe Biden therefore treated Burisma favorably when he was vice president.
Arguments from authority carry little weight (in science there are no "authorities").
Spin more than one hypothesis - don't simply run with the first idea that caught your fancy.


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but Trump tried and tried
Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts.


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to extort
Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts.
Arguments from authority carry little weight (in science there are no "authorities").
Spin more than one hypothesis - don't simply run with the first idea that caught your fancy.


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Ukrainian officials into insinuating it anyway. This failed, and eventually led to impeachment charges in Congress.
Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts.
Arguments from authority carry little weight (in science there are no "authorities").
Spin more than one hypothesis - don't simply run with the first idea that caught your fancy.


So I gave up trying to parse the MANY MANY problems that cause Sagan's baloney detection kit to peg out on this article.


I don't know SECOND - how do YOU like to regurgitate your propaganda?


Belief is for wimps and mental midgets!

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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 10:28 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Right on cue, I see.


What did I tell you T?

You can smell that turd from a mile away.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

If by Turd you mean Trump...



Nope. I meant you and you're extremely predictable behavior.

We can set a clock to you.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:38 AM

THG


As true today as when I started this thread and now with Biden and a renewed relationship with our allies, the shit is going to hit the fan.

T


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Saturday, December 26, 2020 12:49 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Just responding to your title:

SO WHAT?

Russia can't "upend" anything if we don't let them.
That means that we have clean and auditable elections, and robust discussion of the issues under the banner of freedom of speech.

If you depend on censorhip and propaganda and mob rule to "enforce" your "democracy" then YOU HAVE JUST UPENDED IT YOURSELF.

It's like WISHY wanting to impose a Reign of Terror and kill 99.999% of the people on the globe, all in the name of "freedom" ... it's kind of self-contradictory, wouldn't you say?



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#WEARAMASK

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Saturday, December 26, 2020 6:30 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Just responding to your title:

SO WHAT?

Russia can't "upend" anything if we don't let them.
That means that we have clean and auditable elections, and robust discussion of the issues under the banner of freedom of speech.

If you depend on censorhip and propaganda and mob rule to "enforce" your "democracy" then YOU HAVE JUST UPENDED IT YOURSELF.

It's like WISHY wanting to impose a Reign of Terror and kill 99.999% of the people on the globe, all in the name of "freedom" ... it's kind of self-contradictory, wouldn't you say?



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#WEARAMASK

Coming straight from a Russian troll who works for a Russian troll farm. ^





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Saturday, December 26, 2020 7:17 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Once again, RF has no ON TOPIC response. Because ...

... RF is an idiot. It's that simple.

And btw, RF, if you EVER happen to accidentally stumble into an OP response, I'll address your post OP. Until then, you get what you dish out.


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Saturday, December 26, 2020 8:22 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Just responding to your title:

SO WHAT?

Russia can't "upend" anything if we don't let them.
That means that we have clean and auditable elections, and robust discussion of the issues under the banner of freedom of speech.

If you depend on censorhip and propaganda and mob rule to "enforce" your "democracy" then YOU HAVE JUST UPENDED IT YOURSELF.

It's like WISHY wanting to impose a Reign of Terror and kill 99.999% of the people on the globe, all in the name of "freedom" ... it's kind of self-contradictory, wouldn't you say?



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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

Coming straight from a Russian troll who works for a Russian troll farm. ^






HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Yanno, I kind of look at REAVERBOT'S libel as points on my scoreboard. Every time he has to resort to "Russian troll" because he (literally) has no on-point rebuttal*, I feel I've made a particulary solid argument.

And when he has to add a cartoon?
BONUS POINTS!

So, thanks for the points, REAVERBOT!
AND the bump!

* Also, a perfect example of someone who wants to upend democracy, because he relies on (attempted) intimidation to impose his POV, not logical fact-based argument exercised under the protections of free speech.

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Tuesday, August 3, 2021 9:42 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Former Ukraine finance minister:

Russia's interference in the U.S. election was but the latest and most audacious episode in Moscow's ongoing effort to destroy liberal democracy and the Trans-Atlantic partnership, says a top Ukrainian leader. "The information attacks, the propaganda, the cyberattacks. We've lived through all the things they tested first in Ukraine," Natalie Jaresko, the country's former finance minister told David Axelrod on The Axe Files podcast, a joint production of CNN and the University of Chicago's Institute of Politics.

"It's shocking that they would take the risk of doing that in the United States. And now it appears -- I've seen reports -- Germany, France and elsewhere. "

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/natalie-jaresko-axe-files/index
.html




And Trump is his best ally in this.





T


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Sunday, December 25, 2022 7:13 PM

THG


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Originally posted by THGRRI:

I'm from New York as well dreamtorve. A state where we hunt down Russian trolls and feed them to the rats.

T






T


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Sunday, December 25, 2022 7:20 PM

THG


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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I have issues with extreme points of view myself rap. Many of those points of view come from you. However, Patton would roll over in his grave if he saw what you posted instead of coming together to push Putin back. What he represents in not democracy.



I ignored your silly post for a year, and now looking back, what have we found ?

What ' interference ' did the Russians actually do to our election ? To date, nothing. Oh, they " may have " tried , but functionally , there's nothing to show that their actions had 1 iotas worth of impact on who voted for either candidate.

Nothing.

Patton wanted to drive through Berlin and not stop until he reached Moscow. He never trusted the Russian govt. So how is it a shock to anyone that a former KGB man like Putin would change his spots ? Point is, this is nothing new ! Been going on for 70+ years.

She LOST. Get over it.



Special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. election between President Donald Trump and Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton has led to the indictments of 31 people and three companies — that we know of so far.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a13122012/robert-mueller-russia-
investigation-charges
/

That group is composed of four former Trump advisers, 26 Russian nationals rappy with much more to come. Still think it's much ado about nothing? As I've said, Patton would roll over in his grave reading what your opinion of all this is.

T






Remember this rappy...

T


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Sunday, December 25, 2022 7:25 PM

THG


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Even though Jack is sitting at a computer when he asks what is Liberal Democracy he can't figure how to find out what it is by himself.

Here you go dummy. A liberal Democracy is what Trump along with you trolls, claim to want while trying your damndest to destroy it.

Liberal democracy is a liberal political ideology and a form of government in which representative democracy operates under the principles of classical liberalism. Also referred to as Western democracy, it is characterised by elections between multiple distinct political parties, a separation of powers into different branches of government, the rule of law in everyday life as part of an open society, a market economy with private property and the equal protection of human rights, civil rights, civil liberties and political freedoms for all people. To define the system in practice, liberal democracies often draw upon a constitution, either formally written or uncodified, to delineate the powers of government and enshrine the social contract. After a period of sustained expansion throughout the 20th century, liberal democracy became the predominant political system in the world.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.





T

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Sunday, December 25, 2022 9:42 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


#Rootin4Putin

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

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Monday, December 26, 2022 6:38 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
#Rootin4Putin

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

When it was clear Russia would invade, it was Tucker Carlson himself who said at the outset that Putin wasn’t his enemy — people advocating for racial and social justice were. Donald Trump said that Putin’s invasion was “smart” and that he was “playing Biden like a drum.”

You get the idea. Putin, the ethnonationalist macho shirtless man wearing a cross necklace, was supposed to lead his distinctly anti-woke military to a rapid victory against a helpless Ukraine inadequately backed by a woke and emasculated American military, a senile President Biden and cheese-eating surrender monkeys in Europe.

For the right, that’s what was supposed to happen — and then the right would get to extol the civic and military virtues of ethnonationalist autocracy and make the case that pluralism and social justice is for the weak. One problem: History happened instead. Ukraine survived Putin’s attempt to conquer it and, with the backing of superior American and NATO weaponry, is inflicting grievous losses and reclaiming its territory against a poorly trained force that is hollowed out by corruption and resorting to systemic war crimes in order to get the civilian population to buckle. Zelenskyy is a global icon of courage, freedom and democracy. Under President Biden’s (sometimes overly) cautious leadership, the United States has once again become the arsenal of democracy. Zelenskyy’s surprise flight to Washington and the roaring adulation he received from most of the US Congress was the pinnacle of this historic achievement.

The National Socia— I mean, National Conservatives can’t stand this outcome, and they will work to overturn it. Some of them will be forthright and honest about wanting Putin to win, but most of them won’t. They’ll couch it in terms of an expense we can’t afford and one that should be redirected to the Southern border. But the truth is, they want Ukraine to die because it means Putin winning and Biden failing. They want patriarchal autocracy to win, and pluralistic liberal democracy to lose. They may couch it in other terms, but they shouldn’t be allowed to get away with it. Tucker Carlson speaks for them all.

More at https://antiimperialistleague.substack.com/p/zelenskyys-speech-and-the
-blind-fury


Tucker Carlson’s rage at Zelensky caps a year of getting things wrong

After Volodymyr Zelensky delivered a rousing speech to U.S. lawmakers this week, Tucker Carlson unleashed a diatribe that put schoolyard sadists everywhere to shame. “No one’s ever addressed the United States Congress in a sweatshirt before,” he seethed, slamming Zelensky as a “strip club” manager whose presence was “humiliating” to “the greatest country on Earth.”

Carlson’s attack on the Ukrainian president, whose olive green garb was meant to dramatize his country’s wartime plight, has sparked outrage because of its demeaning quality at a time of extraordinary duress for the Ukrainian people. But this episode deserves a deeper look than Carlson’s adolescent belittling usually merits.

Carlson’s rant carried a more hateful edge than usual, a kind of shrill fury. Perhaps that’s because Zelensky’s presence before Congress was far more humiliating to Carlson and his ideological comrades than to anyone else: It demonstrated how badly they misjudged Ukraine’s will to resist Russian conquest and the durability of the U.S. commitment to our beleaguered ally.

This represents the failure of a worldview, a strain of far-right authoritarian populism, that goes well beyond Ukraine. A whole lot of things have happened that — in Carlson’s mental universe — were not supposed to happen.

Things Carlson misjudged:

1. The resilience and skill of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in fighting for their homeland.

2. His prediction that U.S. voter would soon grow weary of our support for Ukraine when in fact more than 2/3rds of them still approve.

3. His prediction that voters would “repudiate” the Democratic Party in the midterm election, when in actuality the almost direct opposite happened.

4. The rejection by voters of 17 of the 18 midterm candidates he promoted on his show, the lone exception being Ohio Sen.-elect J.D. Vance, who had to have massive infusions of cash by his mentor Peter Thiel and the Republican Party to stave off Tim Ryan, and…

5. His promotion of right wing Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro in his reelection bid, which was instead won by the leftist candidate.

More at https://politizoom.com/tucker-nearly-chokes-on-his-own-bile-calls-zele
nskyy-a-dictator
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, December 26, 2022 6:46 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Ukraine isn't winning. So there goes your gibberish about superior western weaponry and the invincibility of "wokeism",

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Monday, December 26, 2022 9:00 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Ukraine isn't winning. So there goes your gibberish about superior western weaponry and the invincibility of "wokeism",





What planet do you live on?

T


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Monday, December 26, 2022 9:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Ukraine isn't winning. So there goes your gibberish about superior western weaponry and the invincibility of "wokeism",





What planet do you live on?

T




Earth. Where Ukraine is losing, and losing all of our money.

It's because stupid people like you keep breeding that 2022 was what it was and 2023 is going to be what it's going to be.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

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Sunday, January 1, 2023 7:57 PM

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T

WHY PUTIN'S NEW YEAR SPEECH IS SCARY: How The Holiday Of New Year Is Used To Brainwash






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Sunday, January 1, 2023 9:24 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by THG:
WHY PUTIN'S NEW YEAR SPEECH IS SCARY: How The Holiday Of New Year Is Used To Brainwash



You're so brainfucked you couldn't even sell your brain used on Craigslist, Ted.



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Monday, January 2, 2023 2:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI: Monday, January 30, 2017 6:10 PM

Former Ukraine finance minister:

Russia's interference in the U.S. election was but the latest and most audacious episode in Moscow's ongoing effort to destroy liberal democracy and the Trans-Atlantic partnership, says a top Ukrainian leader. "The information attacks, the propaganda, the cyberattacks. We've lived through all the things they tested first in Ukraine," Natalie Jaresko, the country's former finance minister told David Axelrod on The Axe Files podcast, a joint production of CNN and the University of Chicago's Institute of Politics.

"It's shocking that they would take the risk of doing that in the United States. And now it appears -- I've seen reports -- Germany, France and elsewhere. "

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/natalie-jaresko-axe-files/index
.html




And Trump is his best ally in this.




And as I've said, payback is a bitch. Putin knows that now I'll bet.

T


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