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Sunday, December 3, 2017 3:52 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Only 2,606 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.

.,Pretty exciting now.

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Sunday, December 3, 2017 4:04 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Did Trump sanction Flynns discussions with Russia at the very time Putin was hacking us and trying to have an influence on our election? Just this morning Flynn tweeted "scapegoat"

The first person to come out in favor of a soft coup, when the presidency was a mere 32 days old. Because ... Russia.




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Sunday, December 3, 2017 7:02 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Only 2,606 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.

.,Pretty exciting now.

It is impossible for the House of Representatives passing articles of impeachment and the Senate ratifying them because impeachment is less a legal process than a political one. Were such a vote held today and every Democrat voted yes, it would still require 22 Republicans. If Democrats take the House next fall, they could then pass articles of impeachment on their own. But ratifying those articles would require two-thirds of the Senate, which would probably require at least 15 Republican votes.

That kind of mass Republican defection is impossible for me to imagine because the last six months have demonstrated that GOP voters will stick with Trump, despite his lunacy, and punish those Republican politicians who do not.

Trump’s approval rating among Republicans has not dipped below 79 percent since he took office. None of the revelations from Mueller’s investigation — nor any of the other outrageous things Trump has done — has significantly undermined his support among the GOP rank and file.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Did Trump sanction Flynns discussions with Russia at the very time Putin was hacking us and trying to have an influence on our election? Just this morning Flynn tweeted "scapegoat"

The first person to come out in favor of a soft coup, when the presidency was a mere 32 days old. Because ... Russia.

Most conservatives consume pro-Trump media, which will downplay or distort virtually anything Mueller or the mainstream press discovers. And the more aggressively Democrats push for Trump’s removal, the easier it will be for Breitbart and Sean Hannity to rally Republicans against a “left-wing coup.”

Removing a president requires bipartisanship. And in this ultra-partisan age, that means removing a president is impossible, even when he’s Trump.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, December 3, 2017 7:48 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by G:
My only question is: how much bigger will the crowds be at his impeachment than at his inauguration?

And the second person jonesing for a soft coup when the presidency was a mere 32 days old. Because ... Russia.




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Sunday, December 3, 2017 7:50 PM

1KIKI

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Originally posted by JO753:
BIGGEST. AUDIENS. EVAR. Let me tell you, you wont believe it incredible believe me terrrific ratingz.

And the third traitor hoping for a soft coup, when the presidency was a mere 40 days old.




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Sunday, December 3, 2017 7:54 PM

1KIKI

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Originally posted by second:
It does not matter what the trivial criminal charge is against Trump, every Democratic Senator would vote against him.

And the fourth, at 42 days. I'm surprised you weren't the SECOND! And - first the hangin', THEN the trial! Eh SECOND? That's the American Constitutional spirit!




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Sunday, December 3, 2017 7:56 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So, all ya' traitors to democracy! How's that RUSSIA-COLLUSION thing going lately?

Remember that? Any evidence yet?




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Sunday, December 3, 2017 9:18 PM

JO753

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Try watching a newz show.

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Sunday, December 3, 2017 9:52 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Still no evidence, I've noticed. Quotes of statements by other people, taken out of context, that don't involve Trump colluding with Russia.

But keep on swallowing the swill, propaganda boy.




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Sunday, December 3, 2017 10:49 PM

THGRRI


Not to worry kiki. You're showing a lack of patience. If the Democrats win the white house in three years, Trump will get his then. As for Russia, over the long term the price for fucking with Europe, America and so on will take a large toll.

Mueller is going to find Trump broke many laws like laundering money. Maybe it will be the Rico Act. Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act. If push comes to shove, all they need do is keep some under raps until the next election. In any case, justice will be done.

Anyway, funny how you keep saying no evidence yet, as if that means anything at all before charges have been filed. That's when the evidence is presented dummy. Think obstruction...

T

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Monday, December 4, 2017 12:16 AM

OONJERAH


President Donald Trump is a slime-ball, non-aristocrat, pathetic, bad joke.
... But with his foolish egomania, he's dangerous, too.

Used to be, we often elected Statesmen, professionals in governing.
Our second choice was often a general.

Guys who could spell and define "responsibility."


... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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Monday, December 4, 2017 12:46 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Anyway, funny how you keep saying no evidence yet, as if that means anything at all before charges have been filed.
I keep saying there's no evidence yet, because, as you agree, there is no evidence yet.

So, what have you been going on about for nearly a year?

Oh, that's right - the line of propaganda you get paid to push, to help that soft coup along.




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Monday, December 4, 2017 12:59 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
President Donald Trump is a slime-ball, non-aristocrat, pathetic, bad joke.
... But with his foolish egomania, he's dangerous, too.

Used to be, we often elected Statesmen, professionals in governing.
Our second choice was often a general.

Guys who could spell and define "responsibility."


... oooOO}{OOooo ...

OONJ - since I didn't vote for Trump, please don't take this as a defense of him.

Whether or not you like Trump or approve of him - do support the spook agencies deposing our legitimately elected president? What's been done to Trump is straight out of the CIA playbook. There is plan a, plan b, and so on, for getting rid of sitting leaders. First you try to bribe them. Then you threaten them. Then you smear them in the media. Next is assassination, junta, and finally, the military.

Thanks to a series of evidence-free 'leaks', and abetted non-stop by a complicit media, Trump barely made it into the third step.



"Confessions of an Economic Hit Man".

http://resistir.info/livros/john_perkins_confessions_of_an_economic_hi
t_man.pdf

I knew the rest: United Fruit had launched a major public relations campaign in the United States, aimed at convincing the American public and congress that Arbenz was part of a Russian plot and that Guatemala was a Soviet satellite. In 1954, the CIA orchestrated a coup. American pilots bombed Guatemala City and the democratically elected Arbenz was overthrown ...




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Monday, December 4, 2017 6:28 AM

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Anyway, funny how you keep saying no evidence yet, as if that means anything at all before charges have been filed.
I keep saying there's no evidence yet, because, as you agree, there is no evidence yet.



Kiki lying again. T did not say that and you know it.

Kiki's Current Mood: Really, Really Desperate

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Monday, December 4, 2017 6:29 AM

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Originally posted by JO753:
Try watching a newz show.





I think we know what's coming next... 3... 2... 1...

"You mean like ABCDeep State?? All Traitors TV???"

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Monday, December 4, 2017 6:32 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Anyway, funny how you keep saying no evidence yet, as if that means anything at all before charges have been filed.
I keep saying there's no evidence yet, because, as you agree, there is no evidence yet.

So, what have you been going on about for nearly a year?

Oh, that's right - the line of propaganda you get paid to push, to help that soft coup along.

1kiki, you are nutty about declaring "no evidence". Trump's lawyer just lied about evidence by saying he did it, not Trump, when the lawyer falsely claimed he wrote the tweet, not Trump, where Trump admits to obstructing justice.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/04/doesnt-make-sense-incredulity-
trumps-lawyer-john-dowd-take-blame-for-flynn-tweet


Mueller should have that lawyer swear an oath that the lawyer wrote the tweet, not Trump, so that the lawyer would go to jail for lying to the FBI when it was proven that Trump, not the lawyer, actually wrote it. But that won't happen because your lawyer cannot be compelled to testify against you. Trump really owes his smart lawyer, John Dowd, an eternal debt for jumping into the fire and saving dumb-ass Trump from burning.

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Monday, December 4, 2017 7:41 AM

JO753

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Starting to look like they are giving up, G.

Jumping off a sinking ship. Packing up the work shop and going home to Moscow.

And its starting to look like Flynn iz very important - much more than Manafort.

Hooz next? Kushner, Pence, Don JR, or duz Meuller hav enuf to skip the 2nd raterz?

Not that they arent going down, but wuns all the piesez uv the puzzle are assembled, Meuller duznt need to work hiz way up to the top.

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Monday, December 4, 2017 8:17 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Maybe giving up arguing with liberal meat-puppets.

1 year later and still waiting for something...anything to happen is all.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, December 4, 2017 10:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Maybe giving up arguing with liberal meat-puppets.

1 year later and still waiting for something...anything to happen is all.

This happened today:
Trump lawyer offers new defense of tweet: president 'cannot obstruct justice'.

John Dowd originally said he, as Trump's lawyer, erroneously wrote in Trump’s name on Twitter that the president knew Flynn lied to the FBI. Dowd's claim was met with skepticism because the claim is intended to absolve Trump of an Obstructing Justice charge. So the lawyer has another defense this morning: “The president cannot obstruct justice because he is the chief law enforcement officer under [the constitution’s Article II] and has every right to express his view of any case.”

Contradicting Trump's lawyer is Bob Bauer, a New York University law professor and former White House counsel to Barack Obama, who said: “It is certainly possible for a president to obstruct justice.”

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/04/doesnt-make-sense-incredulity-
trumps-lawyer-john-dowd-take-blame-for-flynn-tweet


I think it is safe to say that very few Republicans believe it is illegal for Trump to fire the FBI director to protect Flynn from being investigated. Only if Obama had done the firing would it have been illegal.

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Monday, December 4, 2017 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by JO753:
Starting to look like they are giving up, G.

Jumping off a sinking ship. Packing up the work shop and going home to Moscow.

And its starting to look like Flynn iz very important - much more than Manafort.

Hooz next? Kushner, Pence, Don JR, or duz Meuller hav enuf to skip the 2nd raterz?

Not that they arent going down, but wuns all the piesez uv the puzzle are assembled, Meuller duznt need to work hiz way up to the top.




Black smoke out of one side and a wheel getting ready to come off on the other - she's gonna blow real soon. Flynn feels like a tipping point, like having Australia and South America in Risk.
I was hoping it would be Trump Sr first so he won't be able to pardon any of the others - total pipe dream though.

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Monday, December 4, 2017 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by second:]This happened today:
Trump lawyer offers new defense of tweet: president 'cannot obstruct justice'.
John Dowd originally said he, as Trump's lawyer, erroneously wrote in Trump’s name on Twitter that the president knew Flynn lied to the FBI. Dowd's claim was met with skepticism because the claim is intended to absolve Trump of an Obstructing Justice charge. So the lawyer has another defense this morning: “The president cannot obstruct justice because he is the chief law enforcement officer under [the constitution’s Article II] and has every right to express his view of any case.”



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Monday, December 4, 2017 11:39 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Maybe giving up arguing with liberal meat-puppets.

1 year later and still waiting for something...anything to happen is all.

This happened today:
Trump lawyer offers new defense of tweet: president 'cannot obstruct justice'.

John Dowd originally said he, as Trump's lawyer, erroneously wrote in Trump’s name on Twitter that the president knew Flynn lied to the FBI. Dowd's claim was met with skepticism because the claim is intended to absolve Trump of an Obstructing Justice charge. So the lawyer has another defense this morning: “The president cannot obstruct justice because he is the chief law enforcement officer under [the constitution’s Article II] and has every right to express his view of any case.”

Contradicting Trump's lawyer is Bob Bauer, a New York University law professor and former White House counsel to Barack Obama, who said: “It is certainly possible for a president to obstruct justice.”

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/04/doesnt-make-sense-incredulity-
trumps-lawyer-john-dowd-take-blame-for-flynn-tweet


I think it is safe to say that very few Republicans believe it is illegal for Trump to fire the FBI director to protect Flynn from being investigated. Only if Obama had done the firing would it have been illegal.



I think the argument here is whether it is obstructing justice in the legal sense of the word, or if his actions are just obstructing justice. There is a difference.

I have said that it was an unwise move to do this in front of the public if there indeed is anything that Trump or his administration has to hide.



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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I think the argument here is whether it is obstructing justice in the legal sense of the word, or if his actions are just obstructing justice. There is a difference.

I have said that it was an unwise move to do this in front of the public if there indeed is anything that Trump or his administration has to hide.

The tax bill passed by the Senate was an unwise move, too, but there won't be any consequences because most GOP voters don't understand taxes. (By the way, I am 100% in favor of that scribbled, crazy tax bill. I'm already planning how I spend my $millions unearned windfall. ) Look at some pages from the bill:
www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/12/02/handwriting-wall-and-page-senat
e-passes-tax-bill/915957001
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Trump’s lawyer: the president can’t obstruct justice. 13 legal experts: yes, he can.
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I believe the better view, supported by a reading of the Constitution, is that the president cannot say to a prosecutor, "I know Person A lied to you, which is a felony, but you should drop the investigation against Person A." Those who drew up articles of impeachment against former Presidents Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton clearly thought the president could be guilty of obstruction of justice because that charge was included against both of them.
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If the president interferes or impedes an FBI investigation with "corrupt intent," that's obstruction of justice under 18 USC 1512(c)(2). Trump has essentially confessed three times to his corrupt intent in firing Comey: on May 10 in the Oval Office, on May 11 to NBC's Lester Holt, and then in his tweet on Saturday (awareness that Flynn had committed a crime).
www.vox.com/2017/12/4/16733422/fbi-deal-trump-flynn-russia-comey

Very few Republican voters will understand what is wrong with "obstructing justice" in either the legal sense or the commonsense definitions, therefore there will be no consequences whatsoever for Trump. The Democrat Senators are not numerous enough to make consequences.

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Monday, December 4, 2017 12:31 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I think the argument here is whether it is obstructing justice in the legal sense of the word, or if his actions are just obstructing justice. There is a difference.

I have said that it was an unwise move to do this in front of the public if there indeed is anything that Trump or his administration has to hide.

The tax bill passed by the Senate was an unwise move, too, but there won't be any consequences because most GOP voters don't understand taxes. (By the way, I am 100% in favor of that scribbled, crazy tax bill. I'm already planning how I spend my $millions unearned windfall. ) Look at some pages from the bill:
www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/12/02/handwriting-wall-and-page-senat
e-passes-tax-bill/915957001/



Wow, a twofur from Second. Changing the subject and taking the opportunity to rub in how much money he has.

I read the breakdown of the tax bill that you showed me the other day. There's nothing in there that hurts the 99%, at least how that was broken down.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I read the breakdown of the tax bill that you showed me the other day. There's nothing in there that hurts the 99%, at least how that was broken down.

It increases the National Debt by $trillions. I believe you were concerned that the $trillions in quantitative easing would eventually ruin the lives of Americans but now you have overlooked the new $trillions in National Debt. Maybe you ought to change your opinion about the benefits for yourself from that tax bill? I'll not change my opinion because the tax bill will immensely benefit me. I loved quantitative easing and love that tax bill. I will love it when Trump signs it into law. It shall be a day of celebration!
www.investopedia.com/terms/q/quantitative-easing.asp

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Monday, December 4, 2017 1:21 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I read the breakdown of the tax bill that you showed me the other day. There's nothing in there that hurts the 99%, at least how that was broken down.

It increases the National Debt by $trillions. I believe you were concerned that the $trillions in quantitative easing would eventually ruin the lives of Americans but now you have overlooked the new $trillions in National Debt. Maybe you ought to change your opinion about the benefits for yourself from that tax bill?



It said that part of the tax plan is to increase the national debt in ten years by 2 Trillion, which as bad as that sounds is severely putting the breaks on the additions after they gained great speed with GWB's administration (Doubled it) and went completely off the rails during Obama's administration (Further tripled it).

An increase of 2 Trillion is tiny compared to the existing national debt. That's why I stated earlier that I don't believe that projection, but that IS the proposed projection under the tax plan.

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I'll not change my opinion because the tax bill will immensely benefit me. I loved quantitative easing and love that tax bill. I will love it when Trump signs it into law. It shall be a day of celebration!


This comes as absolutely no surprise to me or anyone else on this board.

You LOVE to virtue signal all day long, but at the end of the day you're just a greedy elitist.

If you actually gave two shits about anybody you're supposedly "fighting" for, you'd be talking about how you were going to take those millions of unearned dollars you're going to be getting and donating them or doing missionary work with them.

But you're not going to do that are you, armchair warrior.

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Monday, December 4, 2017 2:47 PM

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Originally posted by second:
I'll not change my opinion because the tax bill will immensely benefit me. I loved quantitative easing and love that tax bill. I will love it when Trump signs it into law. It shall be a day of celebration!



I just got my Bohemian Grove newsletter and saw the New Event Schedule - see you there! It shall be a rollicking good time!

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Monday, December 4, 2017 9:06 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
President

BJ Clinton was
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a slime-ball, non-aristocrat, pathetic, bad joke.
... But with his foolish egomania, he's dangerous, too.

Used to be, we often elected Statesmen, professionals in governing.
Our second choice was often a general.

Guys who could spell and define "responsibility."


... oooOO}{OOooo ...

Yes. Maybe the downfall started with Slick Willie. Or perhaps the other BJ - LBJ.

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Monday, December 4, 2017 9:17 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Maybe giving up arguing with liberal meat-puppets.

1 year later and still waiting for something...anything to happen is all.

“The president cannot obstruct justice because he is the chief law enforcement officer under [the constitution’s Article II] and has every right to express his view of any case.”

Contradicting Trump's lawyer is Bob Bauer, a New York University law professor and former White House counsel to Barack Obama, who said: “It is certainly possible for a president to obstruct justice.”

Well, of all people, certainly he who would know best is Obamination's White House Counsel.

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Monday, December 4, 2017 9:26 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by second:
Trump’s lawyer: the president can’t obstruct justice. 13 legal experts: yes, he can.
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I believe the better view, supported by a reading of the Constitution, is that the president cannot say to a prosecutor, "I know Person A lied to you, which is a felony, but you should drop the investigation against Person A." Those who drew up articles of impeachment against former Presidents Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton clearly thought the president could be guilty of obstruction of justice because that charge was included against both of them.
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If the president interferes or impedes an FBI investigation with "corrupt intent," that's obstruction of justice under 18 USC 1512(c)(2). Trump has essentially confessed three times to his corrupt intent in firing Comey: on May 10 in the Oval Office, on May 11 to NBC's Lester Holt, and then in his tweet on Saturday (awareness that Flynn had committed a crime).
www.vox.com/2017/12/4/16733422/fbi-deal-trump-flynn-russia-comey

Very few Republican voters will understand what is wrong with "obstructing justice" in either the legal sense or the commonsense definitions, therefore there will be no consequences whatsoever for Trump. The Democrat Senators are not numerous enough to make consequences.

More unattributed quotes. Are they all from Obama and Clinton Lawyers? Or did you throw in some Carter, Blabbermouth, Jordan Lawyers too?

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Monday, December 4, 2017 9:31 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I read the breakdown of the tax bill that you showed me the other day. There's nothing in there that hurts the 99%, at least how that was broken down.

It increases the National Debt by $trillions. I believe you were concerned that the $trillions in quantitative easing would eventually ruin the lives of Americans but now you have overlooked the new $trillions in National Debt. Maybe you ought to change your opinion about the benefits for yourself from that tax bill?


It said that part of the tax plan is to increase the national debt in ten years by 2 Trillion, which as bad as that sounds is severely putting the breaks on the additions after they gained great speed with GWB's administration (Doubled it) and went completely off the rails during Obama's administration (Further tripled it).

An increase of 2 Trillion is tiny compared to the existing national debt. That's why I stated earlier that I don't believe that projection, but that IS the proposed projection under the tax plan.
Quote:

I'll not change my opinion because the tax bill will immensely benefit me. I loved quantitative easing and love that tax bill. I will love it when Trump signs it into law. It shall be a day of celebration!

This comes as absolutely no surprise to me or anyone else on this board.

You LOVE to virtue signal all day long, but at the end of the day you're just a greedy elitist.

If you actually gave two shits about anybody you're supposedly "fighting" for, you'd be talking about how you were going to take those millions of unearned dollars you're going to be getting and donating them or doing missionary work with them.

But you're not going to do that are you, armchair warrior.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Six, you almost exposed the numbers here. But good to spotlight Second's duplicity.

I don't have a great breakdown right this moment, but on this day 2000 the Federal Debt was 5.6 Trillion, before Bush43 took office. His original proposal to reduce the DEBT (immediately eliminating the Deficit) was so aggressive that it eliminated the DEBT within 10 years (2010). But that did not include funding the War to resolve Clinton's flirtations with and avoidance of Osama.
So by 2004 the DEBT was 7.3 Trillion, an increase of 1.7 Trillion in 4 years.
By 2007, before the Rock The Vote Democraps hadvtheir Budget reins in effect, the DEBT was 8.9 Trillion, an increase of 1.6 Trillion in 3 years.
By 2008 the Rock The Vote Democraps had a full year of Budget reins and cranked up the Debt to almost 10 Trillion, or 1.1 Trillion in a 1-year span.
Now the Debt is 20.6 Trillion. And Second is hysterical about a 2 Trillion increase over 10 years?

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Monday, December 4, 2017 11:14 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Maybe giving up arguing with liberal meat-puppets.

1 year later and still waiting for something...anything to happen is all.

“The president cannot obstruct justice because he is the chief law enforcement officer under [the constitution’s Article II] and has every right to express his view of any case.”

Contradicting Trump's lawyer is Bob Bauer, a New York University law professor and former White House counsel to Barack Obama, who said: “It is certainly possible for a president to obstruct justice.”

Well, of all people, certainly he who would know best is Obamination's White House Counsel.



Jeff Sessions, Mitch McConnell, 40+ others in GOP Congress think obstruction of justice should get a President removed

Although Trump's personal lawyer John Dowd conveniently thinks that U.S. presidents are above the law and can't be removed from office for obstructing justice, Jeff Sessions, Mitch McConnell, and dozens of other GOP members of Congress disagree.

At least they strongly disagreed back in 1999, when it suited their agenda to get Bill Clinton impeached for his obstruction of justice during the Monica Lewinsky investigation.

Back then, Jeff Sessions, an Alabama Senator said, “The facts are disturbing and compelling on the President's intent to obstruct justice." And Sessions wasn't alone.

According to Politico:


More than 40 current GOP members of Congress voted for the impeachment or removal of Clinton from office for obstruction of justice. They include Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell – who mounted his own passionate appeal to remove Clinton from office for obstruction of justice – Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley and Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr, who was a House member at the time.

https://boingboing.net/2017/12/04/jeff-sessions-mitch-mcconnell.html

Sessions argued in Clinton impeachment that presidents can obstruct justice

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/04/jeff-sessions-president-obst
ruct-justice-bill-clinton-278517




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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 10:08 AM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Jeff Sessions, Mitch McConnell, 40+ others in GOP Congress think obstruction of justice should get a President removed

Although Trump's personal lawyer John Dowd conveniently thinks that U.S. presidents are above the law and can't be removed from office for obstructing justice, Jeff Sessions, Mitch McConnell, and dozens of other GOP members of Congress disagree.

At least they strongly disagreed back in 1999, when it suited their agenda to get Bill Clinton impeached for his obstruction of justice during the Monica Lewinsky investigation.

Back then, Jeff Sessions, an Alabama Senator said, “The facts are disturbing and compelling on the President's intent to obstruct justice." And Sessions wasn't alone.

According to Politico:


More than 40 current GOP members of Congress voted for the impeachment or removal of Clinton from office for obstruction of justice. They include Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell – who mounted his own passionate appeal to remove Clinton from office for obstruction of justice – Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley and Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr, who was a House member at the time.

https://boingboing.net/2017/12/04/jeff-sessions-mitch-mcconnell.html

Sessions argued in Clinton impeachment that presidents can obstruct justice

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/04/jeff-sessions-president-obst
ruct-justice-bill-clinton-278517





I find no comfort in this.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 10:23 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Jeff Sessions, Mitch McConnell, 40+ others in GOP Congress think obstruction of justice should get a President removed

Although Trump's personal lawyer John Dowd conveniently thinks that U.S. presidents are above the law and can't be removed from office for obstructing justice, Jeff Sessions, Mitch McConnell, and dozens of other GOP members of Congress disagree.

At least they strongly disagreed back in 1999, when it suited their agenda to get Bill Clinton impeached for his obstruction of justice during the Monica Lewinsky investigation.

Back then, Jeff Sessions, an Alabama Senator said, “The facts are disturbing and compelling on the President's intent to obstruct justice." And Sessions wasn't alone.

According to Politico:


More than 40 current GOP members of Congress voted for the impeachment or removal of Clinton from office for obstruction of justice. They include Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell – who mounted his own passionate appeal to remove Clinton from office for obstruction of justice – Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley and Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr, who was a House member at the time.

https://boingboing.net/2017/12/04/jeff-sessions-mitch-mcconnell.html

Sessions argued in Clinton impeachment that presidents can obstruct justice

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/04/jeff-sessions-president-obst
ruct-justice-bill-clinton-278517





I find no comfort in this.

==============================



I know what you mean.


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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 10:52 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I read the breakdown of the tax bill that you showed me the other day. There's nothing in there that hurts the 99%, at least how that was broken down.

It increases the National Debt by $trillions. I believe you were concerned that the $trillions in quantitative easing would eventually ruin the lives of Americans but now you have overlooked the new $trillions in National Debt. Maybe you ought to change your opinion about the benefits for yourself from that tax bill?


It said that part of the tax plan is to increase the national debt in ten years by 2 Trillion, which as bad as that sounds is severely putting the breaks on the additions after they gained great speed with GWB's administration (Doubled it) and went completely off the rails during Obama's administration (Further tripled it).

An increase of 2 Trillion is tiny compared to the existing national debt. That's why I stated earlier that I don't believe that projection, but that IS the proposed projection under the tax plan.
Quote:

I'll not change my opinion because the tax bill will immensely benefit me. I loved quantitative easing and love that tax bill. I will love it when Trump signs it into law. It shall be a day of celebration!

This comes as absolutely no surprise to me or anyone else on this board.

You LOVE to virtue signal all day long, but at the end of the day you're just a greedy elitist.

If you actually gave two shits about anybody you're supposedly "fighting" for, you'd be talking about how you were going to take those millions of unearned dollars you're going to be getting and donating them or doing missionary work with them.

But you're not going to do that are you, armchair warrior.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Six, you almost exposed the numbers here. But good to spotlight Second's duplicity.

I don't have a great breakdown right this moment, but on this day 2000 the Federal Debt was 5.6 Trillion, before Bush43 took office. His original proposal to reduce the DEBT (immediately eliminating the Deficit) was so aggressive that it eliminated the DEBT within 10 years (2010). But that did not include funding the War to resolve Clinton's flirtations with and avoidance of Osama.
So by 2004 the DEBT was 7.3 Trillion, an increase of 1.7 Trillion in 4 years.
By 2007, before the Rock The Vote Democraps hadvtheir Budget reins in effect, the DEBT was 8.9 Trillion, an increase of 1.6 Trillion in 3 years.
By 2008 the Rock The Vote Democraps had a full year of Budget reins and cranked up the Debt to almost 10 Trillion, or 1.1 Trillion in a 1-year span.
Now the Debt is 20.6 Trillion. And Second is hysterical about a 2 Trillion increase over 10 years?



Yeah...

Don't think I didn't miss the lack of reply from Second. He almost never answers me directly, but always quotes me and posts a somewhat vaguely related story based off of a single sentence of one of my replies to completely deflect any point I was trying to make.

I had him dead to rights here, and he knows it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 1:37 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Yeah...

Don't think I didn't miss the lack of reply from Second. He almost never answers me directly, but always quotes me and posts a somewhat vaguely related story based off of a single sentence of one of my replies to completely deflect any point I was trying to make.

I had him dead to rights here, and he knows it.

Hey 6ixStringJack. I haven't the will to convince you of anything. But keep on thinking you are right and I am wrong because your self-confidence is working out so very well for you and delivering material rewards to you every day, I'm sure.

Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee, which is investigating the Trump campaign, said Mueller’s reported subpoena of Deutsche Bank “would be a very significant development”.

“If Russia laundered money through the Trump Organization, it would be far more compromising than any salacious video and could be used as leverage against Donald Trump and his associates and family,” Schiff said in a statement.

Deutsche Bank told Bloomberg in a statement that it always cooperated with investigating authorities.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/05/donald-trump-bank-records-hand
ed-over-robert-mueller



Mueller asked Deutsche Bank for data on accounts held by President Donald Trump and his family, a person close to the matter said on Tuesday.

Germany’s largest bank received a subpoena from Special Counsel Robert Mueller several weeks ago to provide information on certain money and credit transactions, the person said, adding key documents had been handed over in the meantime.

The German bank is one of the few major lenders that has lent large amounts to Trump in the past decade. A string of bankruptcies at his hotel and casino businesses during the 1990s made most of Wall Street wary of extending him credit.

A U.S. official with knowledge of Mueller’s probe said one reason for the subpoenas was to find out whether Deutsche Bank may have sold some of Trump’s mortgage or other loans to Russian state development bank VEB or other Russian banks that now are under U.S. and European Union sanctions.

Holding such debt, particularly if some of it was or is coming due, could potentially give Russian banks some leverage over Trump, especially if they are state-owned, said a second U.S. official familiar with Russian intelligence methods.

“One obvious question is why Trump and those around him expressed interest in improving relations with Russia as a top foreign policy priority, and whether or not any personal considerations played any part in that,” the second official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

There was no immediate response to the Deutsche Bank subpoena from Trump’s lawyers.

The subpoena was earlier reported by German daily Handelsblatt.
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-deutsche-bank/deutsche-bank-gets-
subpoena-from-mueller-on-trump-accounts-source-idUSKBN1DZ0XN


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 1:59 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yeah...

Don't think I didn't miss the lack of reply from Second. He almost never answers me directly, but always quotes me and posts a somewhat vaguely related story based off of a single sentence of one of my replies to completely deflect any point I was trying to make.

I had him dead to rights here, and he knows it.

Hey 6ixStringJack. I haven't the will to convince you of anything. But keep on thinking you are right and I am wrong because your self-confidence is working out so very well for you and delivering material rewards to you every day, I'm sure.

Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee, which is investigating the Trump campaign, said Mueller’s reported subpoena of Deutsche Bank “would be a very significant development”.

“If Russia laundered money through the Trump Organization, it would be far more compromising than any salacious video and could be used as leverage against Donald Trump and his associates and family,” Schiff said in a statement.

Deutsche Bank told Bloomberg in a statement that it always cooperated with investigating authorities.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/05/donald-trump-bank-records-hand
ed-over-robert-mueller



Mueller asked Deutsche Bank for data on accounts held by President Donald Trump and his family, a person close to the matter said on Tuesday.

Germany’s largest bank received a subpoena from Special Counsel Robert Mueller several weeks ago to provide information on certain money and credit transactions, the person said, adding key documents had been handed over in the meantime.

The German bank is one of the few major lenders that has lent large amounts to Trump in the past decade. A string of bankruptcies at his hotel and casino businesses during the 1990s made most of Wall Street wary of extending him credit.

A U.S. official with knowledge of Mueller’s probe said one reason for the subpoenas was to find out whether Deutsche Bank may have sold some of Trump’s mortgage or other loans to Russian state development bank VEB or other Russian banks that now are under U.S. and European Union sanctions.

Holding such debt, particularly if some of it was or is coming due, could potentially give Russian banks some leverage over Trump, especially if they are state-owned, said a second U.S. official familiar with Russian intelligence methods.

“One obvious question is why Trump and those around him expressed interest in improving relations with Russia as a top foreign policy priority, and whether or not any personal considerations played any part in that,” the second official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

There was no immediate response to the Deutsche Bank subpoena from Trump’s lawyers.

The subpoena was earlier reported by German daily Handelsblatt.
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-deutsche-bank/deutsche-bank-gets-
subpoena-from-mueller-on-trump-accounts-source-idUSKBN1DZ0XN


Schiff? Is this the partisan hack assclown that investigated but couldn't find anything wrong with Hilliary deleting Federal Records emails nor her disastrous negligence of Benghazi?
We should for sure believe everything he spouts, totally.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 2:34 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Schiff? Is this the partisan hack assclown that investigated but couldn't find anything wrong with Hilliary deleting Federal Records emails nor her disastrous negligence of Benghazi?
We should for sure believe everything he spouts, totally.

When will Trump "Lock Her Up"? You're convinced she is a criminal, Trump is convinced, I'd be convinced, too, but only if Trump would lock her up. It was Trump's biggest campaign promise, bigger than punishing China for stealing jobs, bigger than Trump's promise to move all those Chinese jobs back to America. I also look forward to Trump's promise to stop Little Rocket-man, but I do hope Trump doesn't kill too many millions of South Koreans as collateral damage. I want to see Trump's promised Fire and Fury the Likes of Which the World has never seen before. The Countdown Clock keeps ticking on Trump's Promises and Impeachment and Re-election.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 3:05 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Schiff? Is this the partisan hack assclown that investigated but couldn't find anything wrong with Hilliary deleting Federal Records emails nor her disastrous negligence of Benghazi?



I wouldn't be too hard on him - after 9 investigations NO ONE could pin anything on Clinton for Benghazi:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/12/hillary
-clinton/clinton-there-have-been-7-benghazi-probes-so-far
/

Here’s a list of all the congressional investigations and what they found.

Investigation 1: The House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform

The House Oversight Committee was one of the first committees to question Clinton following the Benghazi attack. On Sept. 16, 2013, the Republican-led committee released an interim report on the Accountability Review Board appointed by Clinton. The report raised questions about the independence and integrity of the Accountability Review Board (since Clinton appointed the board to investigate her own department) and criticized the conclusions in the board’s final report.

Investigation 2: The Senate Committee On Homeland Security And Governmental Affairs

This bipartisan committee released a report in December 2012 detailing the "high risk" of a terrorist attack at the U.S. facilities in Libya. While the report criticized the State Department for not addressing the security concerns leading up to the attack, it also found "administration officials were inconsistent in stating publicly that the deaths in Benghazi were the result of a terrorist attack." The report attributed the State Department’s security failures to intelligence problems and a failure "to imagine the type of attack that occurred."

Investigation 3: The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence

The Senate Intelligence Committee released a bipartisan report in January 2014 calling the Benghazi attacks "preventable." Among other findings, the committee concluded the State Department had received ample warning about deteriorating security in Libya and failed to adequately increase security in the weeks leading up to the attack. The report also faulted intelligence officials for not relaying information on the CIA annex to the U.S. military.

Investigation 4: The House Committee on Foreign Affairs

Clinton testified before this House committee on Jan. 23, 2013 (she also testified in front of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee earlier that day). The House Committee on Foreign Affairs later released a report criticizing Clinton and other high-ranking officials who they said were "provided extensive warning of the deteriorating security environment in eastern Libya." The report also criticized the State Department’s Accountability Review Board, which "was seriously deficient in several respects," especially in its failure to comment on the actions of the department’s highest ranking officials, including Clinton.

Investigation 5: The House Committee on the Judiciary

The focus of the Committee on the Judiciary’s probe was the FBI investigation that followed the terrorist attack. The committee released its findings in April 2013 as part of an interim progress report in conjunction with the five other Republican-led committees investigating Benghazi. The report detailed how the FBI did not investigate the scene until three weeks after the attack and spent less than one day collecting evidence in Benghazi. The committee also faulted Clinton for reducing security at the Benghazi consulate, despite her testimony that she "had no knowledge" of security requests from the compound.

Investigation 6: The House Committee on Armed Services

The Armed Services Committee began its investigation "immediately after the terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya… to evaluate the response of the Department of Defense" to the attack, according to a February 2014 committee report. The Republican-led committee bashed the Obama administration’s failure to address security threats in Benghazi, asserting that the military was unprepared for possible violence in Libya.

Investigation 7: The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence

The House Intelligence Committee concluded its two-year Benghazi investigation in November 2014 when it released a report exonerating the Obama administration of wrongdoing in its response to the attack. The report found evidence of contradicting intelligence among government officials and concluded officials did not intentionally mislead the public with information in the days following the attack.

Ongoing Investigation 8: The House Select Committee on Benghazi

The Republican-led House created the House Select Committee on Benghazi in May 2014 after a conservative watchdog group discovered new State Department emails about the attacks. The committee includes seven Republicans and five Democrats. The group released an interim progress report in May 2015, but the committee’s Democrats have been outspoken on the committee’s lack of progress.

Clinton, who has faced more scrutiny over Benghazi after it was discovered she used a private email server while serving as Secretary of State, is set to testify before the Benghazi panel on Oct. 22.

Our ruling

Clinton said, "There have been seven investigations (of Benghazi) led mostly by Republicans in the Congress" that concluded "nobody did anything wrong, but there were changes we could make."

Clinton’s number is correct: there were seven previous congressional probes into the Benghazi attack. Saying these committees were led "mostly by Republicans" is also a fair assertion: the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs were the only two committees not led by Republicans. As for her comment that there was no overt wrongdoing, just room for improvement, that’s a rosy assessment. But it is also largely accurate. We rate this claim Mostly True.

Maybe they needed more investigations?

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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 4:23 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yeah...

Don't think I didn't miss the lack of reply from Second. He almost never answers me directly, but always quotes me and posts a somewhat vaguely related story based off of a single sentence of one of my replies to completely deflect any point I was trying to make.

I had him dead to rights here, and he knows it.

Hey 6ixStringJack. I haven't the will to convince you of anything. But keep on thinking you are right and I am wrong because your self-confidence is working out so very well for you and delivering material rewards to you every day, I'm sure.

Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee, which is investigating the Trump campaign, said Mueller’s reported subpoena of Deutsche Bank “would be a very significant development”.

“If Russia laundered money through the Trump Organization, it would be far more compromising than any salacious video and could be used as leverage against Donald Trump and his associates and family,” Schiff said in a statement.

Deutsche Bank told Bloomberg in a statement that it always cooperated with investigating authorities.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/05/donald-trump-bank-records-hand
ed-over-robert-mueller



Mueller asked Deutsche Bank for data on accounts held by President Donald Trump and his family, a person close to the matter said on Tuesday.

Germany’s largest bank received a subpoena from Special Counsel Robert Mueller several weeks ago to provide information on certain money and credit transactions, the person said, adding key documents had been handed over in the meantime.

The German bank is one of the few major lenders that has lent large amounts to Trump in the past decade. A string of bankruptcies at his hotel and casino businesses during the 1990s made most of Wall Street wary of extending him credit.

A U.S. official with knowledge of Mueller’s probe said one reason for the subpoenas was to find out whether Deutsche Bank may have sold some of Trump’s mortgage or other loans to Russian state development bank VEB or other Russian banks that now are under U.S. and European Union sanctions.

Holding such debt, particularly if some of it was or is coming due, could potentially give Russian banks some leverage over Trump, especially if they are state-owned, said a second U.S. official familiar with Russian intelligence methods.

“One obvious question is why Trump and those around him expressed interest in improving relations with Russia as a top foreign policy priority, and whether or not any personal considerations played any part in that,” the second official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

There was no immediate response to the Deutsche Bank subpoena from Trump’s lawyers.

The subpoena was earlier reported by German daily Handelsblatt.
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-deutsche-bank/deutsche-bank-gets-
subpoena-from-mueller-on-trump-accounts-source-idUSKBN1DZ0XN


Schiff? Is this the partisan hack assclown that investigated but couldn't find anything wrong with Hilliary deleting Federal Records emails nor her disastrous negligence of Benghazi?
We should for sure believe everything he spouts, totally.



You should include the entire republican house and senate. They couldn't prove shit against the Clintons either. I guess they're pretty stupid or just plain incompetent huh.


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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 5:42 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Yeah...

Don't think I didn't miss the lack of reply from Second. He almost never answers me directly, but always quotes me and posts a somewhat vaguely related story based off of a single sentence of one of my replies to completely deflect any point I was trying to make.

I had him dead to rights here, and he knows it.

Hey 6ixStringJack. I haven't the will to convince you of anything. But keep on thinking you are right and I am wrong because your self-confidence is working out so very well for you and delivering material rewards to you every day, I'm sure.

Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee, which is investigating the Trump campaign, said Mueller’s reported subpoena of Deutsche Bank “would be a very significant development”.

“If Russia laundered money through the Trump Organization, it would be far more compromising than any salacious video and could be used as leverage against Donald Trump and his associates and family,” Schiff said in a statement.

Deutsche Bank told Bloomberg in a statement that it always cooperated with investigating authorities.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/05/donald-trump-bank-records-hand
ed-over-robert-mueller



Mueller asked Deutsche Bank for data on accounts held by President Donald Trump and his family, a person close to the matter said on Tuesday.

Germany’s largest bank received a subpoena from Special Counsel Robert Mueller several weeks ago to provide information on certain money and credit transactions, the person said, adding key documents had been handed over in the meantime.

The German bank is one of the few major lenders that has lent large amounts to Trump in the past decade. A string of bankruptcies at his hotel and casino businesses during the 1990s made most of Wall Street wary of extending him credit.

A U.S. official with knowledge of Mueller’s probe said one reason for the subpoenas was to find out whether Deutsche Bank may have sold some of Trump’s mortgage or other loans to Russian state development bank VEB or other Russian banks that now are under U.S. and European Union sanctions.

Holding such debt, particularly if some of it was or is coming due, could potentially give Russian banks some leverage over Trump, especially if they are state-owned, said a second U.S. official familiar with Russian intelligence methods.

“One obvious question is why Trump and those around him expressed interest in improving relations with Russia as a top foreign policy priority, and whether or not any personal considerations played any part in that,” the second official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

There was no immediate response to the Deutsche Bank subpoena from Trump’s lawyers.

The subpoena was earlier reported by German daily Handelsblatt.
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-deutsche-bank/deutsche-bank-gets-
subpoena-from-mueller-on-trump-accounts-source-idUSKBN1DZ0XN


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See what I mean, JSF?

Not an argument there. Just another personal insult (this time about how much money he has compared to me), and then a link completely off topic).

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 6:11 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

See what I mean, JSF?

Not an argument there. Just another personal insult (this time about how much money he has compared to me), and then a link completely off topic).

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The link is NOT off topic because it is about Trump, not about you. Here is another link you won't understand, but understand this: the thread is NOT ABOUT YOU, 6ixStringJack. It is about Trump being fucked-upped-in-head crazy, even down to what he eats:

The president’s meal would clock in at 2,530 calories with 114g fat and 3530mg sodium. The USDA recommends 71-year-old, moderately active males consume 2,200 calories per day. Trump had already gone over his calorie needs for the day with just one meal. The sodium count of the McDonald’s meal also more than doubles the recommended intake of 1,500mg by the American Heart Association.

Trump’s affinity for the drive-thru is no surprise, but just how far his top aides would go to please his appetite could be considered shocking.

http://people.com/food/donald-trump-mcdonalds-order-calories-corey-lew
andowski-book
/

Worse still is how central this diet is to letting Trump “be Trump,” to quote the book’s title. Adviser Sam Nunberg got purposely left behind at one McDonald’s because his “special-order burger” was taking too long for the president. “Leave him,” Trump supposedly ordered. “Let’s go.” Lewandowski and Bossie add that orchestrating Trump’s meals was literally “as important as any other aspect of his march to the presidency.” Ensuring that a bag of hot fast food was waiting for Trump on the plane was therefore an all-hands-on-deck situation.

Regardless of Trump’s politics, every new detail the public learns about his diet is more cause for concern. Not only does he get a day-and-a-quarter’s worth of calories in one McDonald’s meal, but he’s 71 years old, is moody and chronically sleep-deprived, and also believes the human body is “like a battery” that comes with “a finite amount of energy,” which exercise “depletes.” Processed food doesn’t do him favors on any of these fronts.

www.grubstreet.com/2017/12/trumps-fast-food-diet-gets-even-more-unsett
ling.html


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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 10:56 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yeah...

Don't think I didn't miss the lack of reply from Second. He almost never answers me directly, but always quotes me and posts a somewhat vaguely related story based off of a single sentence of one of my replies to completely deflect any point I was trying to make.

I had him dead to rights here, and he knows it.

Hey 6ixStringJack. I haven't the will to convince you of anything. But keep on thinking you are right and I am wrong because your self-confidence is working out so very well for you and delivering material rewards to you every day, I'm sure.

Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee, which is investigating the Trump campaign, said Mueller’s reported subpoena of Deutsche Bank “would be a very significant development”.

“If Russia laundered money through the Trump Organization, it would be far more compromising than any salacious video and could be used as leverage against Donald Trump and his associates and family,” Schiff said in a statement.

Deutsche Bank told Bloomberg in a statement that it always cooperated with investigating authorities.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/05/donald-trump-bank-records-hand
ed-over-robert-mueller



Mueller asked Deutsche Bank for data on accounts held by President Donald Trump and his family, a person close to the matter said on Tuesday.

Germany’s largest bank received a subpoena from Special Counsel Robert Mueller several weeks ago to provide information on certain money and credit transactions, the person said, adding key documents had been handed over in the meantime.

The German bank is one of the few major lenders that has lent large amounts to Trump in the past decade. A string of bankruptcies at his hotel and casino businesses during the 1990s made most of Wall Street wary of extending him credit.

A U.S. official with knowledge of Mueller’s probe said one reason for the subpoenas was to find out whether Deutsche Bank may have sold some of Trump’s mortgage or other loans to Russian state development bank VEB or other Russian banks that now are under U.S. and European Union sanctions.

Holding such debt, particularly if some of it was or is coming due, could potentially give Russian banks some leverage over Trump, especially if they are state-owned, said a second U.S. official familiar with Russian intelligence methods.

“One obvious question is why Trump and those around him expressed interest in improving relations with Russia as a top foreign policy priority, and whether or not any personal considerations played any part in that,” the second official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

There was no immediate response to the Deutsche Bank subpoena from Trump’s lawyers.

The subpoena was earlier reported by German daily Handelsblatt.
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-deutsche-bank/deutsche-bank-gets-
subpoena-from-mueller-on-trump-accounts-source-idUSKBN1DZ0XN



See what I mean, JSF?

Not an argument there. Just another personal insult (this time about how much money he has compared to me), and then a link completely off topic).

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Yes, I had noticed that. I was impressed with the devoting a sentence and a half before launching.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:35 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


LOL... yeah. Looks like he eeked another one in there too.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 7, 2017 12:22 AM

THGRRI


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