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Tuesday, December 4, 2018 11:34 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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The cricket chirping sounds you hear are the result of nobody but you buying into the Chicken Little Syndrome anymore.

Enjoy your day.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, December 4, 2018 11:35 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN



Only 2,340 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.

How exciting. 001681

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Tuesday, December 4, 2018 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Only 2,340 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.

How exciting.

We could start an Assassination Clock. How long until V.P. Mike Pence puts a bullet into Trump's Fat Dumb Ass? I might vote for Pence as President if he'd do it.
www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/12/3/1816606/-Cartoon-NO-COLLUSION


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Tuesday, December 4, 2018 12:36 PM

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Good cartoon

tick tac

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Tuesday, December 4, 2018 12:47 PM

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Originally posted by THG:
Good cartoon

tick tac

V.P. Mike Pence killing Trump could be the story for the seventh season of House of Cards. It would be a ratings hit, highest of any TV show in history. We need a countdown clock until Season 7.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Cards_(season_6)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 4, 2018 1:34 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:

Good cartoon

tick tac

V.P. Mike Pence killing Trump could be the story for the seventh season of House of Cards. It would be a ratings hit, highest of any TV show in history. We need a countdown clock until Season 7.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Cards_(season_6)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



House of Cards opened it's first episode, season one, with a dog getting hit by a car. The credits hadn't even finished rolling yet. I turned it off, the credits hadn't even finished rolling yet, and never went back.

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Tuesday, December 4, 2018 2:39 PM

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Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:

Good cartoon

tick tac

V.P. Mike Pence killing Trump could be the story for the seventh season of House of Cards. It would be a ratings hit, highest of any TV show in history. We need a countdown clock until Season 7.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Cards_(season_6)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



House of Cards opened it's first episode, season one, with a dog getting hit by a car. The credits hadn't even finished rolling yet. I turned it off, the credits hadn't even finished rolling yet, and never went back.

I never watched House of Cards nor Trump's show The Apprentice which lasted 15 seasons. I knew Kevin Spacey (the President from House of Cards) and Donald Trump were assholes in the real and fictional worlds, so it was no surprise when Spacey's Presidential and acting career ended. Trump must be the superior actor because his White House screenplay is worse written and weirder than Spacey's and yet Trump's show hasn't been cancelled. He and Spacey both have their stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Spacey’s star is located just feet away from Trump’s.

www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/three-stars-in-hollywood-that-are-a
pparently-less-offensive-than-donald-trump


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 4, 2018 3:38 PM

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Robert Mueller’s prosecutors have told defense lawyers in recent weeks that they are “tying up loose ends” in their investigation, providing the clearest clues yet that the long-running probe into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election may be coming to its climax, potentially in the next few weeks, according to multiple sources close to the matter.

A Flynn sentencing memo is due Tuesday, and memos about Manafort and Cohen are slated for Friday.

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mueller-preparing-endgame-for-russia-inve
stigation_us_5c06871de4b07aec5752ae04


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 4, 2018 3:44 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Robert Mueller’s prosecutors have told defense lawyers in recent weeks that they are “tying up loose ends” in their investigation, providing the clearest clues yet that the long-running probe into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election may be coming to its climax, potentially in the next few weeks, according to multiple sources close to the matter.

A Flynn sentencing memo is due Tuesday, and memos about Manafort and Cohen are slated for Friday.

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mueller-preparing-endgame-for-russia-inve
stigation_us_5c06871de4b07aec5752ae04


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



The tell tale sign will be how much of this weeks court filings are open for public view. If a lot remains sealed then I think the investigation in not that close to being over.

Mueller may also close one part of the investigation while going full bore with others. If we see what I think ( hope ) we'll see this week, he will surely be fired. You can bet your ass the White House is waiting to see how much detail is in Mueller's teams filings.

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Tuesday, December 4, 2018 5:43 PM

THG


Stone snubs Senate document request, invoking Fifth Amendment

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/04/roger-stone-fifth-amendment-
1044597


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Five Times Donald Trump Has Bashed Pleading The Fifth


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Tuesday, December 4, 2018 6:04 PM

THG


Any minute now folks. I'm so excited.

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Tuesday, December 4, 2018 8:32 PM

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Mueller will probably drop the big bomz after the new congress takes over or soon befor wen its too late for the co-conspirator party to do anything about it.

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Tuesday, December 4, 2018 8:35 PM

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Gotta drag out that big nuthin' burger for ratings.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, December 4, 2018 8:42 PM

THG


The Flynn memo is out and it's mostly redacted. That suggests Mueller isn't ready to reveal anything to those within his sights. The memo does reveal there are several investigations regarding what Flynn told them.

My guess is that the Russia investigation is far from over. Which means there is a lot there and Flynn gave it up. Remember, Flynn met 19 times with Mueller's team.

Friday it's the Manafort memo.

tick tac

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Tuesday, December 4, 2018 9:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
The Flynn memo is out and it's mostly redacted. That suggests Mueller isn't ready to reveal anything to those within his sights. The memo does reveal there are several investigations regarding what Flynn told them.

My guess is that the Russia investigation is far from over. That means there is a lot there and Flynn gave it up. Remember, Flynn met 19 times with Mueller's team.

Friday it's the Manafort memo.

tick tac

All the good stuff is still private: "Because the Addendum includes sensitive information about ongoing investigations, the government is seeking to partially seal the Addendum, and has filed publicly a redacted version of the document that excludes the sensitive information."

Mueller assessed Flynn’s cooperation as “substantial,” and wrote that “a sentence at the low end of the guideline range—including a sentence that does not impose a term of incarceration—is appropriate and warranted.”

Read the sentencing memo sent to the judge by Mueller here: https://qz.com/1484650/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 4, 2018 9:12 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:

The Flynn memo is out and it's mostly redacted. That suggests Mueller isn't ready to reveal anything to those within his sights. The memo does reveal there are several investigations regarding what Flynn told them.

My guess is that the Russia investigation is far from over. That means there is a lot there and Flynn gave it up. Remember, Flynn met 19 times with Mueller's team.

Friday it's the Manafort memo.

tick tac

All the good stuff is still private: "Because the Addendum includes sensitive information about ongoing investigations, the government is seeking to partially seal the Addendum, and has filed publicly a redacted version of the document that excludes the sensitive information."

Mueller assessed Flynn’s cooperation as “substantial,” and wrote that “a sentence at the low end of the guideline range—including a sentence that does not impose a term of incarceration—is appropriate and warranted.”

Read the sentencing memo sent to the judge by Mueller here: www.vox.com/2018/12/4/18126388/mueller-michael-flynn-sentencing-memo-r
ead




Yep, "substantial assistance"

tick tock

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Tuesday, December 4, 2018 9:26 PM

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Originally posted by THG:

Yep, "substantial assistance"

tick tock

We are facing years more of Trump. If the Justice Dept will not release Mueller's final report to Congress, whenever it is finished, Mueller can always cram all that information into this sentencing memo, but without the redaction. Thus Mueller can get around Trump and the GOP trash-canning all his work, if he thinks that is appropriate. If he does, Trump will probably demand that Mueller be locked up and also falsely tweet "NO COLLUSION!!! I am vindicated by Mueller as absolutely clean, beautiful and perfect! And my ass is not fat!" All the GOP Senators will swear Trump's shit don't stink and therefore he can finish his 4 year term, unless V.P. Mike Pence puts a cap in Trump's fat dumb ass to become President by assassination. If it is okay with Trump for a Crown Prince to murder an American resident, it must be okay for the V.P. to murder Trump. (Trump probably didn't realize that applies to himself when he was making excuses for assassinations not affecting business as usual with Saudi Arabia.) https://qz.com/1484650/

Trump Is More Loyal to Dictators Than to the U.S.
His lies about Jamal Khashoggi’s murder are a threat to America's national security.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/12/trump-khashoggi-killing-li
es.html

"When the CIA catches dictators doing bad things, the dictators often pay lobbyists to lie about what’s been discovered. Now the dictators can save their money because President Donald Trump is doing their hatchet work against the CIA for free."

Some of Trump’s statements were lawyerly and evasive. Others were egregiously misleading. And some—“The CIA points it both ways”—were outright lies. Intelligence officials fumed at the president’s misrepresentations, and lawmakers who had been briefed on the assessment tried to correct him. But he continued to deceive the public.

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Wednesday, December 5, 2018 3:34 AM

JO753

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Continued to deseev 38% uv the public.

The gullibl dumassez hoo still think he iz a good Prez.

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Wednesday, December 5, 2018 6:39 AM

THG


At this moment I don't have a clue what will be in the Manafort memo.

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Wednesday, December 5, 2018 7:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Continued to deseev 38% uv the public.

The gullibl dumassez hoo still think he iz a good Prez.

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40% per Gallup as of the 2nd.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/203207/trump-job-approval-weekly.aspx

43.4% per the RCP aggregate.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_app
roval-6179.html


Do Right, Be Right. :)



BTW bud...

Your link at the end of your signature messes with quotes too. Signy seems to have fixed it in her signature by adding a few spaces and then putting a period at the very end of the signature.

I just did it on yours in my reply here and it worked.

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Wednesday, December 5, 2018 8:39 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

40% per Gallup as of the 2nd.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/203207/trump-job-approval-weekly.aspx

43.4% per the RCP aggregate.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_app
roval-6179.html


Do Right, Be Right. :)

43.6% of voters now approve of Trump
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/voters/

46.1% of voters selected Trump in 2016. He has only lost 2.5% in 2 years. Looking good!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election

51% of Senators now approve of Trump.

53% of Senators will approve of Trump in January. That is excellent for Trump!
www.cnn.com/election/2018/results

33% is the number Trump has to worry about. If Trump's approval rating drops to 33 Senators, his Presidency could end.

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Wednesday, December 5, 2018 4:08 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
At this moment I don't have a clue

Sometimes even a Troll gets the facts right.

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Wednesday, December 5, 2018 4:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
At this moment I don't have a clue

Sometimes even a Troll gets the facts right.

The full quote is "At this moment I don't have a clue what will be in the Manafort memo." If the Manafort memo showed Trump underpaid his federal taxes by $1 billion, as an extreme example, then 53 GOP Senators could easily shrug it off by saying taxes are too high. With 53 Senators opposed to removing Trump, he will stay. If Russians were paying Trump $1 billion, another extreme example, 53 GOP Senators could shrug that off, too, because Trump has got to earn a living, you know? No matter what is in the Manafort memo, the GOP can shrug it off. But the voters might not shrug it off in 2020. Trump only got 46.1% of the 2016 vote. Depending on what Mueller eventually finds, Trump might get less than 46.1% in the next election and lose it.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, December 5, 2018 6:00 PM

THG


As more and more of Trumps bravado is shown to be bullshit, I believe the chickens will come home to roost SECOND. There are still 15 indictments under seal with more to come. All this is a disgrace.

tick tock



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Wednesday, December 5, 2018 8:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
As more and more of Trumps bravado is shown to be bullshit, I believe the chickens will come home to roost SECOND. There are still 15 indictments under seal with more to come. All this is a disgrace.

tick tock








Yes. I agree. Your behavior for 2 years has been quite shameful.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, December 5, 2018 10:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
As more and more of Trumps bravado is shown to be bullshit, I believe the chickens will come home to roost SECOND. There are still 15 indictments under seal with more to come. All this is a disgrace.

tick tock

I've had different experience than you with badmen who never got the punishment they deserved because they had connections. Trump is probably staying on until January 2021 because he has got connections with a majority in the Senate. The GOP might not like him, but it will protect him. He's in the family.

Now voters aren't Trump's family. He barely got elected with 46.1%. His approval rating with voters now is 43.6%. That is not high enough for a second term. I believe this is the highest it will be and will go lower and his family in the Senate can't help him. He will have to help himself by being more competent and less emotionally flighty. I don't think old man Trump can behave better.

I keep hoping for The Game of Thrones scenario, where cool, calm, and self-controlled V.P. Mike Pence mercifully kills Trump with poison, saving the GOP from an insane and immature President, a King Joffrey. You only have to look at Pres. Duterte, Trump's Filipino buddy, to see how crazy a man can get. Duterte has said his country's Catholic bishops are "useless fools" and should be "killed".
www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/12/philippines-duterte-kill-useless-cathol
ic-bishops-181205132220894.html


King Joffrey's Death Scene. Afterwards, they were confused about who poisoned him.
That's how Pence can getaway with poisoning Trump.
The CIA has the poison ready whenever Pence is ready.



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Thursday, December 6, 2018 4:26 AM

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From what I have come to understand, pleading the 5th in document request is not even a thing. I suspect that this may take a court ruling as to the veracity of his claim.


SGG


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Originally posted by THG:
Stone snubs Senate document request, invoking Fifth Amendment

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/04/roger-stone-fifth-amendment-
1044597


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Five Times Donald Trump Has Bashed Pleading The Fifth



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Thursday, December 6, 2018 6:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted:
As more and more of Trumps bravado is shown to be bullshit, I believe the chickens will come home to roost SECOND. There are still 15 indictments under seal with more to come. All this is a disgrace.

tick tock

I've had different experience than you with badmen who never got the punishment they deserved because they had connections. Trump is probably staying on until January 2021 because he has got connections with a majority in the Senate. The GOP might not like him, but it will protect him. He's in the family.

Now voters aren't Trump's family. He barely got elected with 46.1%. His approval rating with voters now is 43.6%. That is not high enough for a second term. I believe this is the highest it will be and will go lower and his family in the Senate can't help him. He will have to help himself by being more competent and less emotionally flighty. I don't think old man Trump can behave better.


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Trump is so incompetent that even his after dinner tweets about tariffs are evidence he should be removed from office:

www.cnn.com/2018/12/05/opinions/trumps-damage-to-america-opinion-ghiti
s/index.html


After a "wonderful and very warm dinner" with China's President Xi Jinping, last weekend, President Donald Trump launched a barrage of tweets extolling his great accomplishments. The Chinese, he said, had agreed to remove a 40% tariff on American car imports; they would soon start buying US agricultural products; they had apparently made major concessions as part of a 90-day pause in raising tariffs. The stock markets revved up for a big jump, believing Trump's damaging trade war was coming to an end.

But a serious problem became apparent before long: China was not confirming the details that made Trump's claims so encouraging. Reluctantly optimistic investors drove the market higher on Monday. But by Tuesday, as China's state-controlled media specifically noted that there was "no confirmation from Beijing" about parts of Trump's claims, stock markets fell into a vertiginous downward spiral. The Dow dropped a whopping 799 points.

The next day, China finally expressed optimism about trade talks (without confirming any of Trump's specific claims) but by then the market had sent two clear messages.

First, Trump's lies, exaggerations and self-serving boasts may not bother his most loyal followers, but the rest of the world is not a Trump MAGA rally. Everyone else notices that much of the time the President of the United States cannot be believed.

Second, this loss of credibility comes at a steep price. It doesn't only affect Donald Trump and his closest aides, who faithfully bolster his falsehoods, damaging their own reputation. It ultimately exacts a price from the entire nation.

I expect the GOP Senators will shrug it off as just another screwy day of Trump. They won't warn him to either stop manipulating the stock market or else they will boot his crazy dumb ass out of the White House, replacing him with cool, calm, competent Pence.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, December 6, 2018 7:56 AM

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Anybody find it strange that Second really seems to be pushing for President Pence?

How do the other Lefties feel about that? Would you be as big a fan of "Evangelical George Bush Jr."?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Anybody find it strange that Second really seems to be pushing for President Pence?

How do the other Lefties feel about that? Would you be as big a fan of "Evangelical George Bush Jr."?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

There are only two choices:

1) Trump serves out his term because the GOP controlled Senate would never touch him.

2) Pence kills Trump, replacing him because, again, the GOP Senate won't convict Trump.

I don't think there is a third choice, unless Pence decides not to be Trump's running mate in 2020 and resigns early, being replaced by Donald Trump Jr. or Ivanka Trump. Trump can only trust his children not to poison him to become the next President. Or can he trust them?

25th Amendment: Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
www.factcheck.org/2008/04/replacing-the-vice-president/

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Thursday, December 6, 2018 9:39 AM

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We all know it's going to be choice number one, assuming it even ever comes to that.



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Thursday, December 6, 2018 10:05 AM

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I've had different experience than you with badmen who never got the punishment they deserved because they had connections. Trump is probably staying on until January 2021 because he has got connections with a majority in the Senate. The GOP might not like him, but it will protect him. He's in the family.



If he doesn't correct the market free fall then all those 1%ers out there will have him on a spit. And too long they put pressure on the Senate members they own and he becomes toxic to the GOP. At which point they gratefully jettison him into the black. At least that's one sunny possibility.

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Thursday, December 6, 2018 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by second:
I've had different experience than you with badmen who never got the punishment they deserved because they had connections. Trump is probably staying on until January 2021 because he has got connections with a majority in the Senate. The GOP might not like him, but it will protect him. He's in the family.



If he doesn't correct the market free fall then all those 1%ers out there will have him on a spit. And too long they put pressure on the Senate members they own and he becomes toxic to the GOP. At which point they gratefully jettison him into the black. At least that's one sunny possibility.



I agree G. I should say I hope.

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Thursday, December 6, 2018 1:23 PM

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Ecuador: UK gave enough guarantees for Assange to leave embassy

"I do not like the presence of Mr Assange in the Ecuadorean embassy, but we have been respectful of his human rights and with that respect in mind we think that six years is too long for someone to remain nearly incarcerated in an embassy," Moreno said.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/12/ecuador-uk-gave-guarantees-assa
nge-leave-embassy-181206161154470.html


Julian, come out and play e a

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Thursday, December 6, 2018 2:11 PM

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Is it Friday yet. Friday the Manafort memo comes out. Can't wait can you? I can't, is it Friday yet?

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Thursday, December 6, 2018 2:44 PM

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www.newyorker.com/culture/the-new-yorker-interview/garry-kasparov-says
-we-are-living-in-chaos-but-remains-an-incorrigible-optimist


We have entered a period of chaos. Putin didn’t invent the chaos. He just sort of helped it along. Like any dictator, he is an opportunist. There is a war in Syria? Excellent. Obama has washed his hands of it? Great: I go in, displace people, they flee to Europe, this creates problems, the right rises.

They had been practicing for this since 2004–05. The Internet structures designed to influence people’s minds were under construction in Russia for ten years before they decided to meddle in the American election. [2004–05 marked the years of the Orange Revolution, in Ukraine, and of a series of protests called the Marches of the Dissenters, organized by the United Civil People’s Front, which was co-founded by Kasparov; both of these developments alerted the Kremlin to the potential of Internet-based organizing.]

I suspect that they made a conscious decision to create not a Chinese-type system of blocking access to information but its opposite: a flood of information. They created a deluge. For example, they create entire troll debates. You think that there is an argument raging on the Internet, when in reality it’s a script.

When a political system is unstable, something like this can play a serious role. It shouldn’t have been hard to imagine that Putin would decide that, since he has been able to influence Holland, England, Germany, and Italy, to say nothing of Moldova, Romania, and Bulgaria, he would try his hand here. But everyone subscribed to the traditional mistaken belief that Putin is a regional player. Considering the resources Putin has, it was obvious that sooner or later he would challenge the world’s strongest country, because that’s his way to demonstrate his own invincibility.

How well thought-out do you think this strategy was here?

At first they were using Trump mostly as an icebreaker. They expected Hillary to win and wanted to discredit her completely. Trump was the perfect vehicle for discrediting not only Hillary but the entire electoral system. Putin’s great advantage is that, unlike Soviet propagandists, he is not selling an ideology. I call him the merchant of doubt. His message is, We are shit, you are shit, and all of this is bullshit. What democracy? Trump was the ideal agent of chaos.

Trump kept saying that the election will be rigged. This was the Kremlin line. I think their main script was that Hillary would win in a close battle and #ElectionIsRigged would be a hashtag that would discredit her. She would be paralyzed. She’d be facing a Republican congress, which would immediately begin impeachment proceedings.

And then they saw that they had a shot at the jackpot. In its last stages, the campaign changed. They started using WikiLeaks when they sensed that they had a chance of getting Trump into office.


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Thursday, December 6, 2018 8:35 PM

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Is it Friday yet. Friday the Manafort memo comes out. Can't wait can you? I can't, is it Friday yet?

tick tock






I can't wait to see how much is redacted.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 6, 2018 10:00 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Anybody find it strange that Second really seems to be pushing for President Pence?

How do the other Lefties feel about that? Would you be as big a fan of "Evangelical George Bush Jr."?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

There are only two choices:

1) Trump serves out his term because the GOP controlled Senate would never touch him.

2) Pence kills Trump, replacing him because, again, the GOP Senate won't convict Trump.

I don't think there is a third choice, unless Pence decides not to be Trump's running mate in 2020 and resigns early, being replaced by Donald Trump Jr. or Ivanka Trump. Trump can only trust his children not to poison him to become the next President. Or can he trust them?

25th Amendment: Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
www.factcheck.org/2008/04/replacing-the-vice-president/

12th Amendment prohibits Electors of the State of New York from casting votes for both President Trump and VP Trump. But Trump could Appoint with Confirmation, and also could Win Election with 1. More than 269 Electoral Votes from other States, or 2. Ending up with the VP from the other Party, or having the Senate Elect the VP.

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Thursday, December 6, 2018 10:22 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Is it Friday yet. Friday the Manafort memo comes out. Can't wait can you? I can't, is it Friday yet?

tick tock

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tic tac

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Friday, December 7, 2018 7:18 AM

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Mueller has already issued most of his report, one indictment at a time. Each court filing contains far more detail than it really needs. The special counsel is speaking through the docket.

Another opinion in the Washington Post, but I think Trumps troubles with the courts are just beginning. I have this opinion because Trump is going nuts. And he has been going nuts on twitter since the beginning. Why, because he knows what Mueller will or has uncovered.

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Friday, December 7, 2018 7:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:

I think Trumps troubles with the courts are just beginning. I have this opinion because Trump is going nuts. And he has been going nuts on twitter since the beginning. Why, because he knows what Mueller will or has uncovered.

tick tock

This morning's tweets show how nutty Trump is getting. Trump needs to comb his hair and put on his dignity before he starts tweeting at 4:15 AM:

Robert Mueller and Leakin’ Lyin’ James Comey are Best Friends, just one of many Mueller Conflicts of Interest. And bye the way, wasn’t the woman in charge of prosecuting Jerome Corsi (who I do not know) in charge of “legal” at the corrupt Clinton Foundation? A total Witch Hunt…

....Will Robert Mueller’s big time conflicts of interest be listed at the top of his Republicans only Report. Will Andrew Weissman’s horrible and vicious prosecutorial past be listed in the Report. He wrongly destroyed people’s lives, took down great companies, only to be.....…

.....overturned, 9-0, in the United States Supreme Court. Doing same thing to people now. Will all of the substantial & many contributions made by the 17 Angry Democrats to the Campaign of Crooked Hillary be listed in top of Report. Will the people that worked for the Clinton....

....Foundation be listed at the top of the Report? Will the scathing document written about Lyin’ James Comey, by the man in charge of the case, Rod Rosenstein (who also signed the FISA Warrant), be a big part of the Report? Isn’t Rod therefore totally conflicted? Will all of....

...the lying and leaking by the people doing the Report, & also Bruce Ohr (and his lovely wife Molly), Comey, Brennan, Clapper, & all of the many fired people of the FBI, be listed in the Report? Will the corruption within the DNC & Clinton Campaign be exposed?..And so much more!

4:15 AM - 7 Dec 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1071015457409384453

Trump should have ate breakfast before tweeting. His brain is running erratically because of low blood sugar.

Trump attacks 'totally conflicted' Rosenstein, other Mueller characters in morning outburst, Updated 12/07/2018 08:38 AM EST
www.politico.com/story/2018/12/07/trump-rosenstein-mueller-tweets-1048
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Friday, December 7, 2018 8:05 AM

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Originally posted by THG:
Mueller has already issued most of his report, one indictment at a time. Each court filing contains far more detail than it really needs. The special counsel is speaking through the docket.

Another opinion in the Washington Post, but I think Trumps troubles with the courts are just beginning. I have this opinion because Trump is going nuts. And he has been going nuts on twitter since the beginning. Why, because he knows what Mueller will or has uncovered.

tick tock

T





Trump's been nuts on Twitter for at least two years now.

You're going to have to do better than that if you really want to back up your feels.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



P.S. Thanks for fixing your signature.

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Friday, December 7, 2018 8:28 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Trump's been nuts on Twitter for at least two years now.

You're going to have to do better than that if you really want to back up your feels.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

It didn’t start with twitter. Trump has been acting like a crazy crook and cheating on his taxes since before his father died.

The GOP Senators don't have a problem with any of it because it was so long ago that, hey, for the Senators the statue of limitations means it might just as well have never happened at all because Trump can't be prosecuted for it.

Old crimes, where all the details have finally been uncovered don't count with the GOP. And the GOP won't look into new crimes where most the details are still being slowly revealed.

https://qz.com/1411006/
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-sc
hemes-fred-trump.html

www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-10-03/trump-even-inherited-his
-father-s-self-made-myth


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Friday, December 7, 2018 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:




tic tac

Can we trust Trump?

www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/editorials/article/With-Cohen-s-plea-
deal-Trump-shows-he-can-t-13436399.php


From today’s Houston Chronicle an update of the above, previous, editorial because Trump can’t stop contradicting what he said earlier in the week:

Just before Donald Trump was sworn in, the U.S. Senate began an investigation into whether the newly elected president of the United States had conspired with Russia to steal the election.

It was an astounding development, one that plenty of Americans treated with skepticism.

And yet at every turn, Trump himself seemed to invite scrutiny — not just of his campaign’s ties to Russia but of the ways his company’s vast international activities might become conflicts of interest for someone who would soon be running the world’s largest economy.

This was a man who refused to make public his tax returns or place his business interests into a blind trust. Essentially, Trump’s message to the American people was simply: Trust me.

It didn’t take long for his conduct as president, not to mention the work of the special prosecutor, to make that a difficult endeavor. Trust Trump at his word? Like when he said during his campaign that he had no business dealings in Russia? “For the record, I have ZERO investments in Russia,” he said in a July 26, 2016 tweet, even as we now know he was busy pursuing one clear through the summer. Special prosecutor Robert Mueller’s team has produced many indictments. As each piece of evidence surfaces, even the most loyal Trump supporters should have diminishing confidence that he is telling the truth when he insists he did not know of or collude with Russian President Vladimir Putin’s interference in the election.

Developments last week produced another crop of reasons to doubt his word. And more steps expected Friday in the criminal probe into the campaign’s ties to Russia are likely to only intensify those doubts. That’s when Mueller is to outline for a federal judge the many lies he claims Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort told investigators, even after he promised to cooperate.

Trump’s former lawyer Michael Cohen admitted he lied to Congress on several occasions in 2017 about Trump’s pursuit of a hotel deal in Moscow during the presidential campaign. To lower the pressure in Congress and in the press over Trump’s ties to Russia, Cohen had told the Senate and House that all discussions about a proposed Trump-branded hotel in Moscow had ended long before the presidential primaries had begun.

It was old news, and just business, he said. And no, the company had not been in conversations with Russian officials about help for the project, and neither he nor Trump had ever planned to go to Moscow to talk about the hotel.

Of course, none of it was true.

The conversations about the hotel continued through mid-2016, past the time Trump had secured the nomination — a time when we expect candidates to put aside private ambitions and dedicate themselves to public service. Plans for Cohen to meet Putin or the prime minister in Russia were made. Tentative plans even called for Trump to fly to Russia after the GOP convention.

For the past two years, Team Trump has tried to conceal these facts from the American people. Now, with Cohen’s guilty plea, we know the truth.

What else will we know by the time Mueller’s investigation is completed?

Mueller must be allowed to continue his work. The Republican leaders in Congress should shake off their shackles and resurrect Sen. Jeff Flake’s bill that would protect Mueller from a politically motivated firing should things get too uncomfortable for Trump.

Predictably, the president lashed out last week at Cohen. He called him “weak” and a liar. And at week’s end, he was in full defense mode on Twitter, conveniently forgetting all the times he had denied any interest in Russia in 2016 and 2017.

“Against all odds, I decide to run for President & continue to run my business-very legal &very cool,” he said in a tweet. “Talked about it on the campaign trail... Lightly looked at doing a building somewhere in Russia. Put up zero money, zero guarantees and didn’t do the project. Witch Hunt!”

Witch hunt indeed. The president’s story changes like Houston’s weather. It’s amazing to watch in real time. Surely, one thinks, he can’t have forgotten that he said quite the opposite so recently?

Proclamations of “America First” ring more and more hollow with each passing day. Selfish financial interest comes ahead of duty or truth for Trump and his well-heeled family. This deal, kept alive until just a few months ahead of the 2016 election, is only the latest and most brazen example.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, December 7, 2018 11:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:

I think Trumps troubles with the courts are just beginning. I have this opinion because Trump is going nuts. And he has been going nuts on twitter since the beginning. Why, because he knows what Mueller will or has uncovered.

tick tock

This morning's tweets show how nutty Trump is getting. Trump needs to comb his hair and put on his dignity before he starts tweeting at 4:15 AM:

Robert Mueller and Leakin’ Lyin’ James Comey are Best Friends, just one of many Mueller Conflicts of Interest. And bye the way, wasn’t the woman in charge of prosecuting Jerome Corsi (who I do not know) in charge of “legal” at the corrupt Clinton Foundation? A total Witch Hunt…

....Will Robert Mueller’s big time conflicts of interest be listed at the top of his Republicans only Report. Will Andrew Weissman’s horrible and vicious prosecutorial past be listed in the Report. He wrongly destroyed people’s lives, took down great companies, only to be.....…

.....overturned, 9-0, in the United States Supreme Court. Doing same thing to people now. Will all of the substantial & many contributions made by the 17 Angry Democrats to the Campaign of Crooked Hillary be listed in top of Report. Will the people that worked for the Clinton....

....Foundation be listed at the top of the Report? Will the scathing document written about Lyin’ James Comey, by the man in charge of the case, Rod Rosenstein (who also signed the FISA Warrant), be a big part of the Report? Isn’t Rod therefore totally conflicted? Will all of....

...the lying and leaking by the people doing the Report, & also Bruce Ohr (and his lovely wife Molly), Comey, Brennan, Clapper, & all of the many fired people of the FBI, be listed in the Report? Will the corruption within the DNC & Clinton Campaign be exposed?..And so much more!

4:15 AM - 7 Dec 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1071015457409384453

Trump should have ate breakfast before tweeting. His brain is running erratically because of low blood sugar.

Trump attacks 'totally conflicted' Rosenstein, other Mueller characters in morning outburst, Updated 12/07/2018 08:38 AM EST
www.politico.com/story/2018/12/07/trump-rosenstein-mueller-tweets-1048
219


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Yep, if he did nothing wrong then why would he seem to be so concerned? If he did nothing wrong, why all the angry tweets?

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Friday, December 7, 2018 12:16 PM

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Yep, if he did nothing wrong then why would he seem to be so concerned? If he did nothing wrong, why all the angry tweets?

tick tock

I found an explanation that aligns with what I hear from Texas Trump lovers. Trump is in psychic touch with what those particular people want for him to say. He is a genius to them. I don't know how he does it, but he has the magic. His brand of magic doesn't work for me, but why should it? I'm not his kind of guy:

From www.salon.com/2018/12/07/author-and-attorney-seth-abramson-on-why-muel
ler-will-ultimately-be-victorious-part-2-of-2
/

People say to me, “Well, sometimes you seem to present Trump as a criminal mastermind. Other times you seem to be presenting him as someone who’s stupid.”

There is a very particular type of intelligence that someone who is pathologically criminal possesses. That is that they have an incredible instinct for their own self-preservation. They have an incredible instinct for their own gain that overwhelms everything else and can make them seem smart in certain respects because they’re able to nose out whatever is in their best interest in terms of making money or benefiting in some other way.

Donald Trump clearly has lived his whole life with that particular type of intelligence. I don’t think he’s a very sophisticated or smart man. I don’t even think he knows very much about business, even though he’s been in business for 30 years. He is smart in the same way, and I’ll only use this analogy because I have dogs that are hounds. Hounds are particularly good at understanding their own self-interest when they want to get food, for instance. They can become the smartest dogs you've ever seen in your life if there is food in the offing.

Otherwise, and I say this regrettably regarding my own dogs, they’re not that smart necessarily. They become smart in the right circumstance. That’s Donald Trump in a nutshell.

Why doesn't Trump just resign, take all his money, go somewhere that he can't be extradited from, and walk away from it all?

Look at it this way. While this is not going to end well for President Trump, he did become president of the United States. Up until a certain point, he would have been able to make the case to someone that he had, for all his past crimes and malfeasance, lived life in a way that allowed him to at least appear successful, have a certain amount of wealth, win the first-ever election that he ran in and become essentially the most powerful man on Earth.

That’s a lot of positive reinforcement for Donald Trump to get. It likewise encouraged his feeling that he will get away with everything he’s been doing for years and everything he did during the campaign. As the old saying goes, “Pride goeth before the fall.” That’s exactly the situation here. He has flown far too high for his skills. He is now exposed in the international sphere for what he is. (But back in Texas, he is a genius with the Trump lovers, who can't comprehend that Trump has been exposed.)

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Friday, December 7, 2018 3:04 PM

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Ok, here we go. Any time now we get the Cohen and Manafort memo's. It's very exciting don't you think? I do, I think its exciting. And Trumps tweeting like a mad man so he must be excited too.

tick tock Donnie, tick tock

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Friday, December 7, 2018 3:24 PM

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Ok, here we go. Any time now we get the Cohen and Manafort memo's. It's very exciting don't you think? I do, I think its exciting. And Trumps tweeting like a mad man so he must be excited too.

tick tock Donnie, tick tock

Ask yourself why Trump tweeted: Rex Tillerson didn’t have the mental capacity needed. He was dumb as a rock and I couldn’t get rid of him fast enough. He was lazy as hell. Now it is a whole new ballgame, great spirit at State!
12:02 PM - 7 Dec 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1071132880368132096

Trump tweeted that because Tillerson on Trump: “We did not have a common value system”

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/12/tillerson-on-trump-we-did-not-h
ave-a-common-value-system
/

Former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson talked to Bob Schieffer last night about his year working for Donald Trump. Unsurprisingly, he described Trump as:

pretty undisciplined, doesn’t like to read, doesn’t read briefing reports, doesn’t like to get into the details of a lot of things, but rather just says this is what I believe, and you can try to convince me otherwise, but most of the time you’re not going to do that.

And then there was this:

We are starkly different in our styles, we did not have a common value system. When the president would say, here’s what I want to do and here’s how I want to do it, and I would have to say to him, Mr. President I understand what you want to do but you can’t do it that way—it violates the law, it violates a treaty—he got really frustrated….I think he grew tired of me being the guy every day who told him he can’t do that, and let’s talk about what we can do.

Hmmm. “We did not have a common value system.” I assume that Tillerson thinks of himself as an honest person, which means he thinks of Trump as a liar and a crook. He’s just too polite to say so.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, December 7, 2018 3:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Ok, here we go. Any time now we get the Cohen and Manafort memo's. It's very exciting don't you think? I do, I think its exciting. And Trumps tweeting like a mad man so he must be excited too.

tick tock Donnie, tick tock

Ask yourself why Trump tweeted: Rex Tillerson didn’t have the mental capacity needed. He was dumb as a rock and I couldn’t get rid of him fast enough. He was lazy as hell. Now it is a whole new ballgame, great spirit at State!
12:02 PM - 7 Dec 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1071132880368132096

Trump tweeted that because Tillerson on Trump: “We did not have a common value system”

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/12/tillerson-on-trump-we-did-not-h
ave-a-common-value-system
/

Former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson talked to Bob Schieffer last night about his year working for Donald Trump. Unsurprisingly, he described Trump as:

pretty undisciplined, doesn’t like to read, doesn’t read briefing reports, doesn’t like to get into the details of a lot of things, but rather just says this is what I believe, and you can try to convince me otherwise, but most of the time you’re not going to do that.

And then there was this:

We are starkly different in our styles, we did not have a common value system. When the president would say, here’s what I want to do and here’s how I want to do it, and I would have to say to him, Mr. President I understand what you want to do but you can’t do it that way—it violates the law, it violates a treaty—he got really frustrated….I think he grew tired of me being the guy every day who told him he can’t do that, and let’s talk about what we can do.

Hmmm. “We did not have a common value system.” I assume that Tillerson thinks of himself as an honest person, which means he thinks of Trump as a liar and a crook. He’s just too polite to say so.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Yeah except he just did. Say all that shit about Trump I mean.

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