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Sunday, January 27, 2019 12:09 AM

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Only 2,288 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock. As of Saturday.

How exciting. 001935

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Sunday, January 27, 2019 5:05 PM

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www.justsecurity.org/62384/roger-stone-president-told-mueller/

“President Donald Trump told special counsel Robert Mueller in writing that Roger Stone did not tell him about WikiLeaks ….”

“Stone’s denial matches with what Trump told Mueller: that the two never spoke about WikiLeaks.”

The President may have committed perjury (or made an intentional false statement) in his response to the Special Counsel by denying that he and Stone communicated about WikiLeaks.

It is hard to fathom that the two men did not discuss Stone’s information on WikiLeaks given the detailed revelations in Stone’s indictment about his communications with senior Trump Campaign officials and his work on behalf of the Campaign in liaising with WikiLeaks.

As Chris Cuomo said to Stone on Friday night, “he [President Trump] has known you the longest, OK. He has got the deepest relationship with you … Why would people believe that his oldest most trusted adviser was doing something like this for him at the same time that he kept talking up WikiLeaks and yet he knew nothing about it?”

More at www.justsecurity.org/62384/roger-stone-president-told-mueller/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, January 27, 2019 9:36 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
www.justsecurity.org/62384/roger-stone-president-told-mueller/

“President Donald Trump told special counsel Robert Mueller in writing that Roger Stone did not tell him about WikiLeaks ….”

“Stone’s denial matches with what Trump told Mueller: that the two never spoke about WikiLeaks.”

The President may have committed perjury (or made an intentional false statement) in his response to the Special Counsel by denying that he and Stone communicated about WikiLeaks.

It is hard to fathom that the two men did not discuss Stone’s information on WikiLeaks given the detailed revelations in Stone’s indictment about his communications with senior Trump Campaign officials and his work on behalf of the Campaign in liaising with WikiLeaks.

As Chris Cuomo said to Stone on Friday night, “he [President Trump] has known you the longest, OK. He has got the deepest relationship with you … Why would people believe that his oldest most trusted adviser was doing something like this for him at the same time that he kept talking up WikiLeaks and yet he knew nothing about it?”

More at www.justsecurity.org/62384/roger-stone-president-told-mueller/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Whether they actually did talk about it in person or not, he's probably going to have little trouble avoiding this one.

I've mentioned that I've called out Stone for lying about Wikileaks a few times over the years because I heard him say the exact opposite on Info Wars during the months leading up to the 2016 election.


Why would Stone even go on a conspiracy theorist webcast like Info Wars? I admit myself I was pretty gullible back then (and drunk pretty much 24/7) and when I realized that Alex Jones was the guy making wacko videos about Nibiru and CERN being filled with a bunch of Satanists that were opening up gates to hell I promptly stopped watching him.

I suspect this was a tactical move on Stone's part, since the Info Wars site was really only watched by hard core Trump supporters, many of them probably unwittingly watching them as if they were a real news cast because they did a good job of coming off as one. Hell... it seems like anybody that supported Hillary over the years didn't even watch it out of morbid curiosity since it took years of court cases for them to know what I already knew about him... which is that he was lying about Wikileaks.

He may very well have never once spoken directly to Trump about Wikileaks and was using Info Wars to pass along that information out in the wide open.

According to Alex Jones right after the election, Trump had called him and thanked him. This event was supposedly within a few days after the election was over. I never heard audio of this phone call. It may or may not exist in the ether.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, January 28, 2019 7:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Whether they actually did talk about it in person or not, he's probably going to have little trouble avoiding this one.

I've mentioned that I've called out Stone for lying about Wikileaks a few times over the years because I heard him say the exact opposite on Info Wars during the months leading up to the 2016 election.


Why would Stone even go on a conspiracy theorist webcast like Info Wars? I admit myself I was pretty gullible back then (and drunk pretty much 24/7) and when I realized that Alex Jones was the guy making wacko videos about Nibiru and CERN being filled with a bunch of Satanists that were opening up gates to hell I promptly stopped watching him.

I suspect this was a tactical move on Stone's part, since the Info Wars site was really only watched by hard core Trump supporters, many of them probably unwittingly watching them as if they were a real news cast because they did a good job of coming off as one. Hell... it seems like anybody that supported Hillary over the years didn't even watch it out of morbid curiosity since it took years of court cases for them to know what I already knew about him... which is that he was lying about Wikileaks.

He may very well have never once spoken directly to Trump about Wikileaks and was using Info Wars to pass along that information out in the wide open.

According to Alex Jones right after the election, Trump had called him and thanked him. This event was supposedly within a few days after the election was over. I never heard audio of this phone call. It may or may not exist in the ether.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The sad thing about the average American or a jury made of Americans is that they have extraordinary difficulty dealing with a liar in a courtroom who is methodical and can keep telling the same false stories with consistency. The life of the lawyer Roy Cohn can illustrate this. As luck would have it, somebody filmed the documentary:

Where's my Roy Cohn? review – damning documentary on villainous lawyer who was Trump’s mentor.

The corrupt hate figure and his association with Donald Trump is brought to light.

www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jan/27/wheres-my-roy-cohn-review-damning
-documentary-on-villainous-lawyer


“Where’s my Roy Cohn?” is a quote attributed to Donald Trump, who asked this of his aides in a moment of exasperation when he was unable to make the Russia investigation disappear. Nowhere is this explained or mentioned in Matt Tyrnauer’s documentary, giving its title a weirdly philosophical air.

One would think that a blatant lack of ethics would put a cinch on Cohn’s career, but that is not, alas, the world we live in. He fueled himself off accusations and fighting. His strategy was always to deny then lie even louder. As a personal attorney he would win high-profile cases by deflection, misdirection and fear-mongering. It made for great tabloid copy, earned him powerful friends and attracted wealthy clients in New York, most notably the heads of organized crime families and the flashy, young real estate mogul Donald J Trump.

Tyrnauer’s film is very standard: a collection of talking heads (including former protege Roger Stone) and news clips. What this by-the-numbers approach lacks in artistry it makes up for in an avalanche of facts. If there is a thesis to be found (other than “boy, wasn’t Roy Cohn a jerk?”) it’s in finding the seeds to Trump’s garden nurtured by Cohn’s odious work. Despite a 20-year age difference, the two were close for many years. They first bonded over a shared love of denying African Americans their civil rights. This blossomed into corruption and kickbacks during the erection of Trump Tower. Cohn loved to see his picture in the paper, and was known for his must-attend parties, so there are ample images in this documentary to turn your stomach.

I predict it is part of a forthcoming wave from film-makers trying to grapple with just how in the hell we got to where we are. To that end, it is an important one. Donald Trump was, for many years, a joke (though never a harmless one) but the damage he’s currently doing shames all of us for ever laughing. This film connects a direct line between Roy Cohn’s belligerent, boorish and obstructionist ways and our current, less eloquent nightmare. To answer the question “where’s my Roy Cohn?” he is, unfortunately, in the White House.

More at www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jan/27/wheres-my-roy-cohn-review-damning
-documentary-on-villainous-lawyer


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, January 28, 2019 10:51 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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But what you don't get is that a lot of us just don't view Trump, or what's happened in the last two years in that light.

Sure. It's not perfect, but I'll take the last two years of Trump over any two of the last 16 under Obama or GWB.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, January 28, 2019 11:42 AM

THG


Trump Thought Firing Flynn Would End ‘Russia Thing,’

“‘Sir,’ I said, ‘this Russia thing is far from over,’” Mr. Christie wrote. Mr. Trump responded: “What do you mean? Flynn met with the Russians. That was the problem. I fired Flynn. It’s over.” Mr. Kushner added, “That’s right, firing Flynn ends the whole Russia thing.”

Mr. Christie, who wrote that it all sounded “naïve,” recalled Mr. Kushner telling him that he was “crazy” when he said they would most likely still be discussing the Russia issue in February 2018.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/27/us/politics/chris-christie-book-tru
mp.html


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Monday, January 28, 2019 12:40 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Man... I can't wait until nothing comes of this. Wish I could see the looks on your faces when that day comes..... or never comes, as it were.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, January 28, 2019 2:18 PM

THG


As does Trump, some here say this investigation to date has produced nothing. It doesn't get any funnier than that. You are confusing Muellers investigation with the 30 or so Hillary Benghazi investigations. No indictments there. A total bust.

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Monday, January 28, 2019 2:21 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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I didn't say it didn't produce anything. It's just not going to end up turning out the way you'd hope.

You'll never see me in mourning when crooked rich people go down. I'm loving the show. All I need is popcorn.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, January 28, 2019 3:15 PM

THG


It's hard to blame a dummy for not remembering or even understanding what that dummy just posted.

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Monday, January 28, 2019 5:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
But what you don't get is that a lot of us just don't view Trump, or what's happened in the last two years in that light.

Sure. It's not perfect, but I'll take the last two years of Trump over any two of the last 16 under Obama or GWB.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Trump is a tax thief. I noticed over and over that the poorer Trump voters are unable to react like they have an ounce of commonsense to a thief in office. The richer Trump voters understand what is going on, but the poorer ones? They know nothing.
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-sc
hemes-fred-trump.html


The poorer Trump voters can't even react to $500 billion per year in general tax thievery, either. The richer Trump voters? They are the ones cheating.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_evasion_in_the_United_States#Estimat
es_of_lost_government_revenue


Due to a 1924 provision in the Internal Revenue Service tax code, the chair of the Ways and Means Committee can request that the Treasury Department turn over a president's income tax returns. Once he has them, there's little doubt they would quickly be released to the public. It's very hard for Congress to vigorously investigate tax issues in the executive branch if the executive branch is the only one authorized to disclose the tax returns.

80% of Democrats want Congress to force the release of Trump's returns but 25% of Republicans say the same.

63% of independents want House Democrats to do what they can to get Trump's tax history too.

Trump's explanations -- and excuses -- for these refusals have varied widely. Here are some:

Trump has long insisted that he is under an audit by the IRS and it is therefore legally inadvisable to release his returns. (To be clear: A person under audit can release their returns; hell, Richard Nixon did it as president!)

Trump has suggested that there is nothing to be learned in the tax returns and that his are too complicated for people to understand. "They're extremely complex. People wouldn't understand them," Trump said at a news conference the day after the 2018 election.

The real truth is simple: Trump made the decision long ago -- probably right around when he announced for president or maybe even before -- that whatever was in his tax returns would hurt him far more politically than refusing to release them would. And he is going to fight that fight to the bitter end.

More at www.cnn.com/2019/01/28/politics/trump-tax-returns-democrats-congress/i
ndex.html


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Monday, January 28, 2019 5:28 PM

THG


What do we have so far 38 indictments? Then there's the two felony campaign finance violations hanging over Trumps head. His corrupt charity forced to shut down with more to come from the DA's in New York. All adding to his decline with the voters. Much ado about nothing I guess. Isn't that right dummy.

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Monday, January 28, 2019 6:04 PM

THG

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Monday, January 28, 2019 6:05 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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blah, blah, blah...

It's like 800 days in a row of the SOS with you guys. Don't you ever get bored of yourselves?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, January 28, 2019 9:12 PM

THG



Trump adviser Roger Stone's indictment in the Mueller probe suggests conspiracy charges may still be forthcoming

Stone’s indictment arguably buries the lead, because contained within his 24-page indictment are the evidentiary building blocks of a conspiracy.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-adviser-roger-stone-s-indi
ctment-mueller-probe-suggests-conspiracy-ncna963686

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Wednesday, January 30, 2019 5:38 PM

REAVERFAN


Mueller says Russians are using his discovery materials in disinformation effort

The information appears to have come from the materials shared with attorneys for Concord Management, one of several Russian entities accused of election meddling.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/mueller-says-russi
ans-using-his-discovery-materials-disinformation-effort-n964811


Mueller’s Smackdown of Accused Russian Troll Farm Is Chock Full of Holy Sh*t Moments
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/muellers-smackdown-of-accused-rus
sian-troll-farm-is-chock-full-of-holy-sht-moments
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Wednesday, January 30, 2019 11:06 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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RUSSSSSSSSIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

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Thursday, January 31, 2019 6:57 AM

THG


Shoo troll
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Friday, February 1, 2019 7:16 AM

THG


Trump says he is not the ‘target’ of the Mueller investigation

I'm glad we got that out of the way.

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Monday, February 4, 2019 11:34 AM

THG


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Inside Mueller’s Cyber Investigation Battle Plan


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Monday, February 4, 2019 12:34 PM

REAVERFAN


Manafort Judge Clears Courtroom to Hear Sealed U.S. Evidence
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-04/manafort-judge-clea
rs-courtroom-to-hear-sealed-u-s-evidence?utm_source=google&utm_medium=bd&cmpId=google


"The federal judge who must decide whether Paul Manafort lied to investigators after pledging to cooperate with Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia probe began a hearing Monday in a sealed courtroom to discuss secret evidence gathered by the government.

A court officer cleared the Washington courtroom before U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson took the bench. Mueller’s arguments to support his claims that President Donald Trump’s former campaign chairman breached a plea deal were heavily redacted in publicly filed documents.

Thick loose-leaf binders could be seen near lawyers for the government and Manafort before the courtroom was sealed. Manafort, who is being held in jail following his conviction for fraud and other crimes, wasn’t in the courtroom when reporters were ejected.

Jackson, who held a brief hearing on the matter last month, is set to sentence Manafort on March 5 for two conspiracy counts. Her decision on the alleged deal breach could influence how harshly she sentences him."

The president's campaign manager, national security advisor and personal attorney are now all felons. At some point, being so involved with criminals is not a coincidence.

Ain't that right, "Individual 1?"

Tick tock...

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Monday, February 4, 2019 12:46 PM

REAVERFAN


Oh, dear.

US prosecutors reportedly subpoena Trump golf courses in Scotland, which some Democrats worry might have been funded by Russian money
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-prosecutors-subpoena-djt-holdings-t
rump-scotland-golf-course-2019-2?utm_source=reddit.com


Prosecutors in Maryland subpoenaed financial documents from DJT Holdings LLC, a UK company that owns President Donald Trump's golf courses in Scotland, The Times of London reported.
They form part of a probe into whether Trump is still profiting from his companies, which would violate the US Constitution's Emoluments Clause.
The clause bans public officials from receiving gifts or cash without Congressional approval.
Glenn Simpson, the co-founder of Fusion GPS, made a tentative link between the courses and Russia. Fusion GPS is the company behind the infamous "golden showers" dossier alleging that Russia has a hold on Trump.
He told The US House Intelligence Committee that the president's UK resorts are "concerning" and there were "enormous amounts of capital flowing into these projects from unknown sources."

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Monday, February 4, 2019 12:56 PM

THG


tick tock reaverfan. Again good posts. There's so much evidence against Trump the trolls don't even show themselves anymore. Well, there is the moron.

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Monday, February 4, 2019 1:10 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Almost one year and over 2000 posts and still nothing.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Monday, February 4, 2019 1:56 PM

THG


Funny how the trolls have gone from no interference by russia in our elections, and no one from Trumps campaign ever had any contact with the russians, to no charges against Trump. Yet comrade trolls, yet. HILARIOUS

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Monday, February 4, 2019 8:20 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Almost one year and over 2000 posts and still nothing.



One year?

Valentine's Day marks the second full year of this thread.

Happy Birthday CCtTIS!


I already know what your wish is.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, February 5, 2019 6:36 AM

THG


Trump Inaugural Committee Subpoenaed by Prosecutors, Source Says

Donald Trump’s inaugural committee is under scrutiny by federal prosecutors in New York, adding new legal woes for the president and his allies that stretch beyond the probe led by Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

The committee’s donors and potential foreign connections have drawn scrutiny, and questions have been raised about how the nine-figure donation haul was spent and how tickets for the slate of exclusive events were allocated.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-05/trump-inaugural-com
mittee-said-to-be-subpoenaed-by-prosecutors


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Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:03 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Funny how the trolls have gone from no interference by russia in our elections, and no one from Trumps campaign ever had any contact with the russians, to no charges against Trump. Yet comrade trolls, yet. HILARIOUS

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Whatchu talkin 'bout, Willis?

The whole Russia thing is bullshit. Has been for over two years now.

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Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:35 AM

THG


Shoo troll

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Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Whatchu talkin 'bout, Willis?

The whole Russia thing is bullshit. Has been for over two years now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Ever heard of Bernie Madoff?
www.investopedia.com/terms/b/bernard-madoff.asp

He was investigated in 1999, 2000, 2004, 2005, and 2006, but Justice in America is very erratic and extremely slow. The law didn't find a damn thing wrong, although there was a mountain of circumstantial evidence. Finally, the Crash of 2008 made it obvious even to the most dimwitted that Bernie had been a criminal for the previous 20 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madoff_investment_scandal#Previous_inves
tigations


It will take a very long time for Trump to be proven guilty of anything, despite the mountain of circumstantial evidence, just as in the case of Bernie Madoff. Bernie actually pleaded guilty, rather than go on trial. I don't see the possibility of Trump pleading guilty. He will drag this out, in hopes he dies before he is sentenced. Trump already has planned where he will be buried.
www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/24/where-trump-wants-to-be-buried

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:47 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Yup. I'm no fan of Bernie Madoff.

I reckon you could find a harsh word or two from me directed his way in these forums if you dug deep enough.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yup. I'm no fan of Bernie Madoff.

I reckon you could find a harsh word or two from me directed his way in these forums if you dug deep enough.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

But do you see the connection between the excruciatingly slow government investigation of Bernie Madoff and Trump? I do.

Do you see the connection between how slowly investors with Madoff caught on that they were being cheated with how slowly Trump voters catch on that they are being cheated by Trump? People investing with Madoff just didn't want to know. They accepted his lies, although the smarter ones withdrew their money from the Madoff investment Company before he was arrested. The smarter Trump voters should do the same.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:17 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yup. I'm no fan of Bernie Madoff.

I reckon you could find a harsh word or two from me directed his way in these forums if you dug deep enough.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

But do you see the connection between the excruciatingly slow government investigation of Bernie Madoff and Trump? I do.



Sure. I see a possibility that he's done something worth losing the job over. I'm pretty sure that if you dug deep enough that you could say the same thing for 80% or more of every politician that ever lived as well.

What amazes me is that 2 years have gone by with EVERYONE against him and he's still in the seat.

That's just the rub here. This stuff started before he even took office. We've heard every single day that he's this or that without a single day off. The outrage when Hillary lost was so bad. There was literally crying and screaming (I can show you videos of that, if you didn't see them, or in case you've forgotten). This has NEVER happened before in the history of America... Certainly never on this large of a scale.

I often talk about choosing your battles, and how I've learned to choose mine. Can you see how the daily parade of every single little thing over two years can work to actually undermine any legitimacy to any claims that might actually hold water?

I can.


I've already said I'd be the first to admit I was wrong if something truly damning comes up. I still don't think that anything will. And you and I both know that if anybody is going to go after Trump directly, it better damned well be the Big Show. They're not going to be able to pull a Roger Stone conviction for some two bit crimes on the side.

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Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:43 AM

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Yup. I'm no fan of Bernie Madoff.

I reckon you could find a harsh word or two from me directed his way in these forums if you dug deep enough.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

But do you see the connection between the excruciatingly slow government investigation of Bernie Madoff and Trump? I do.



Sure. I see a possibility that he's done something worth losing the job over. I'm pretty sure that if you dug deep enough that you could say the same thing for 80% or more of every politician that ever lived as well.

What amazes me is that 2 years have gone by with EVERYONE against him and he's still in the seat.

That's just the rub here. This stuff started before he even took office. We've heard every single day that he's this or that without a single day off. The outrage when Hillary lost was so bad. There was literally crying and screaming (I can show you videos of that, if you didn't see them, or in case you've forgotten). This has NEVER happened before in the history of America... Certainly never on this large of a scale.

I often talk about choosing your battles, and how I've learned to choose mine. Can you see how the daily parade of every single little thing over two years can work to actually undermine any legitimacy to any claims that might actually hold water?

I can.


I've already said I'd be the first to admit I was wrong if something truly damning comes up. I still don't think that anything will. And you and I both know that if anybody is going to go after Trump directly, it better damned well be the Big Show. They're not going to be able to pull a Roger Stone conviction for some two bit crimes on the side.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I see that you are not getting the point. I have been hearing for 66 years that smoking causes cancer and heart attack. Many people I know heard the same, but it did not stop them. Now they are dead from lung cancer and heart attack. Was it wrong for the MSM to tell them over and over what they should have understood after being told only one time? Remember: they are dead and I believe it is the smokers' fault, not the tobacco company for downplaying the risks of smoking. All the dead smokers I knew had sound reasons to not believe the tobacco companies, and yet they would actually claim that there was no proof smoking kills. They stop that nonsense of no proof either once they were in the hospital, or with the most stubborn of my friends, they were dead. Many Trump voters are also saying "No Proof".

(Personal note: December 2018 is the most recent death from cancer of a friend who was a long time heavy smoker, although the drinking didn't help, either. Marshall was 56. )

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, February 5, 2019 12:29 PM

REAVERFAN


Reminds me of this.

Mike Pence claimed “smoking doesn’t kill” as late as 2000
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/4/13164074/mike-pence-
smoking-tobacco


Now, there's a guy you can trust. He's a Christian, you know!

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Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:29 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yup. I'm no fan of Bernie Madoff.

I reckon you could find a harsh word or two from me directed his way in these forums if you dug deep enough.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

But do you see the connection between the excruciatingly slow government investigation of Bernie Madoff and Trump? I do.



Sure. I see a possibility that he's done something worth losing the job over. I'm pretty sure that if you dug deep enough that you could say the same thing for 80% or more of every politician that ever lived as well.

What amazes me is that 2 years have gone by with EVERYONE against him and he's still in the seat.

That's just the rub here. This stuff started before he even took office. We've heard every single day that he's this or that without a single day off. The outrage when Hillary lost was so bad. There was literally crying and screaming (I can show you videos of that, if you didn't see them, or in case you've forgotten). This has NEVER happened before in the history of America... Certainly never on this large of a scale.

I often talk about choosing your battles, and how I've learned to choose mine. Can you see how the daily parade of every single little thing over two years can work to actually undermine any legitimacy to any claims that might actually hold water?

I can.


I've already said I'd be the first to admit I was wrong if something truly damning comes up. I still don't think that anything will. And you and I both know that if anybody is going to go after Trump directly, it better damned well be the Big Show. They're not going to be able to pull a Roger Stone conviction for some two bit crimes on the side.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I see that you are not getting the point. I have been hearing for 66 years that smoking causes cancer and heart attack. Many people I know heard the same, but it did not stop them. Now they are dead from lung cancer and heart attack. Was it wrong for the MSM to tell them over and over what they should have understood after being told only one time? Remember: they are dead and I believe it is the smokers' fault, not the tobacco company for downplaying the risks of smoking. All the dead smokers I knew had sound reasons to not believe the tobacco companies, and yet they would actually claim that there was no proof smoking kills. They stop that nonsense of no proof either once they were in the hospital, or with the most stubborn of my friends, they were dead. Many Trump voters are also saying "No Proof".

(Personal note: December 2018 is the most recent death from cancer of a friend who was a long time heavy smoker, although the drinking didn't help, either. Marshall was 56. )

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Do not compare Rachel Maddow breaking down in tears live after Donald Trump was elected president to smoking leading to cancer and heart attack.

If that's your point, I do get it. It's batshit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, February 6, 2019 6:26 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Do not compare Rachel Maddow breaking down in tears live after Donald Trump was elected president to smoking leading to cancer and heart attack.

If that's your point, I do get it. It's batshit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I know people who died: tobacco chewer of throat cancer, smokers of lung cancer. They wouldn’t stop using because tobacco gave them pleasure. Trump gives pleasure to his users. He claims benefits other than pleasure also originate from him, but he is a Madison Avenue ad agency touting the benefits of breathing his smoke.
www.businessinsider.com/madison-ave-ad-agencies-2013-2

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, February 6, 2019 8:27 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Oh boy....

lol

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Wednesday, February 6, 2019 6:25 PM

THG


T tick tock


This Speech Was Packed With Lies





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Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:41 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Oh boy....

lol

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There are 5 graphs from the Federal Reserve that cover points about the economy made by Trump in his State of the Union address. He lied like a rug. This not laugh out loud funny. Or maybe he knows his audience can't understand how he misleads them?
https://slate.com/business/2019/02/fact-check-trumps-state-of-the-unio
n-economic-miracle-false.html


Here’s GDP. Do you see a Trump boom anywhere? Squint hard as you like. It’s not there.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=mTKn


Job growth also hasn’t changed pace much since Trump took office.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=mTKu



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Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:45 PM

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I don't see anything bad in those graphs. I'll file that under SoS.

I think your argument here is with JSF, not me. I don't go around talking about how great the economy is right now.

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Wednesday, February 6, 2019 8:27 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't see anything bad in those graphs. I'll file that under SoS.

I think your argument here is with JSF, not me. I don't go around talking about how great the economy is right now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You don't see a HUGE problem with Trump bragging about achievements that he did not make happen? I see a problem. Here is another brag he made about the powerful things he is going to make happen. "If there is going to be peace and legislation, there cannot be war and investigation," Trump said.

Trump should not have said it, but the message was simple: If you like the current run of economic prosperity and (relative) peace in the world, then you had better end the special counsel investigation being run by Robert Mueller and stop before you start any congressional investigations. If you don't stop, Donald Trump will make bad things happen to your country.

By Wednesday morning, House Intelligence Committee Chair Adam Schiff (California) announced he was launching a wide-ranging inquiry into Trump's finances and whether financial considerations were driving decisions made by the administration.

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Wednesday, February 6, 2019 8:34 PM

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I've called him out on it. I've said he was full of shit. Look through JSF's sycophant threads about the economy for proof of that if you need to.

What I find funny about you here, Second, is that you somehow think it's any different than Obama lying about the economy.

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Wednesday, February 6, 2019 11:53 PM

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What I find funny about you here, Second, is that you somehow think it's any different than Obama lying about the economy.



Both sides are the same? How so?

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Thursday, February 7, 2019 3:06 AM

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A factor that seemz to be overlooked iz that the GoPs suppressed Obamaz efforts at every opportunity, yet he still got the economic growth going at that trajectory.

With Trump and the GoPs working together for 2 yirz they didnt hav any long term pozitiv effect. And if you juj by the stock market, last yir wuz a failure.







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Thursday, February 7, 2019 4:47 AM

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Yup. Quantitative Easing and selling out our grandchildren does look pretty good in the short term on a graph.

Thanks for that, Barry.

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Thursday, February 7, 2019 5:11 AM

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Hey THG, I found this little gem on You Tube. This is strictly for entertainment purposes, any resemblance to current events, real or imagined,
is strictly coincidental:



You know, since we're days away from Valentine's Day. A small token of the high regard we have for our esteemed contributors and respondents.
Let us remember that music makes the world go 'round.

The clock on the wall says........


SGG

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Thursday, February 7, 2019 8:19 AM

THG


Democratic Threat to Subpoena DOJ’s Whitaker Opens Two-Day Drama

Judiciary Chairman Jerrold Nadler has scheduled a vote Thursday morning to authorize a subpoena of Whitaker if he tries to avoid answering tough questions when he comes before the panel on Friday.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-07/democratic-threat-t
o-subpoena-doj-s-whitaker-opens-two-day-drama?srnd=premium


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Thursday, February 7, 2019 8:38 AM

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Trump’s Speech Had 1 Eerie Parallel To Nixon’s Final State Of The Union

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-nixon-state-of-the-union_us_5c5bbd1
6e4b00187b5583133


President Donald Trump’s State of the Union address on Tuesday contained a callback to one delivered by President Richard Nixon when he was under investigation in the Watergate scandal.

“The time has come to bring that investigation and the other investigations of this matter to an end,” Nixon said on Jan. 30, 1974.

Trump on Tuesday also demanded an end to investigations against him and his administration.

“If there is going to be peace and legislation, there cannot be war and investigation,” Trump said. “It just doesn’t work that way.”

NowThis created a mashup of the two speeches:
www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-nixon-state-of-the-union_us_5c5bbd1
6e4b00187b5583133


Less than four months after Nixon’s demand, the House Judiciary Committee began hearings on articles of impeachment against Nixon.

By the end of July 1974, the committee approved the articles of impeachment by a vote of 27-11, with six Republicans joining all of the Democrats on the committee.

A full vote in the House never took place as Nixon announced his resignation on Aug. 8, 1974, effective at noon the following day.

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Thursday, February 7, 2019 8:59 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yup. Quantitative Easing and selling out our grandchildren does look pretty good in the short term on a graph.

Thanks for that, Barry.

Quantitative Easing: Republicans claimed there would be hyper-inflation. They lied, but you don't remember that, do you? All you remember is that Quantitative Easing is bad because a Republican told you.
www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/022615/why-didnt-quantitative-
easing-lead-hyperinflation.asp


"selling out our grandchildren": I've heard that out of the mouths of Republicans. They are complaining about the national debt increasing. It is easy to decrease the debt when the economy is doing well, as Trump endlessly brags about how great his economy is. But the national debt is not decreasing, it is predicted to keep increasing at a faster and faster rate. For that increase thank Trump and his tax cut for me and himself.
www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-tax-plan-consequences/
www.statista.com/statistics/216998/forecast-of-the-federal-debt-of-the
-united-states
/

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