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Tuesday, February 28, 2017 10:56 PM

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The full Trump transcript is below:

President Donald Trump's address to Congress Tuesday as prepared for delivery.

Mr. Speaker, Mr. Vice President, Members of Congress, the First Lady of the United States, and Citizens of America:

Tonight, as we mark the conclusion of our celebration of Black History Month, we are reminded of our Nation's path toward civil rights and the work that still remains.

Recent threats targeting Jewish Community Centers and vandalism of Jewish cemeteries, as well as last week's shooting in Kansas City, remind us that while we may be a Nation divided on policies, we are a country that stands united in condemning hate and evil in all its forms.

Each American generation passes the torch of truth, liberty and justice –- in an unbroken chain all the way down to the present.

That torch is now in our hands. And we will use it to light up the world. I am here tonight to deliver a message of unity and strength, and it is a message deeply delivered from my heart.

A new chapter of American Greatness is now beginning.

A new national pride is sweeping across our Nation.

And a new surge of optimism is placing impossible dreams firmly within our grasp.

What we are witnessing today is the Renewal of the American Spirit.

Our allies will find that America is once again ready to lead.

All the nations of the world -- friend or foe -- will find that America is strong, America is proud, and America is free.

In 9 years, the United States will celebrate the 250th anniversary of our founding -- 250 years since the day we declared our Independence.

It will be one of the great milestones in the history of the world.

But what will America look like as we reach our 250th year? What kind of country will we leave for our children?

I will not allow the mistakes of recent decades past to define the course of our future.

For too long, we've watched our middle class shrink as we've exported our jobs and wealth to foreign countries.

We've financed and built one global project after another, but ignored the fates of our children in the inner cities of Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit -- and so many other places throughout our land.

We've defended the borders of other nations, while leaving our own borders wide open, for anyone to cross -- and for drugs to pour in at a now unprecedented rate.

And we've spent trillions of dollars overseas, while our infrastructure at home has so badly crumbled.

Then, in 2016, the earth shifted beneath our feet. The rebellion started as a quiet protest, spoken by families of all colors and creeds -– families who just wanted a fair
shot for their children, and a fair hearing for their concerns.

But then the quiet voices became a loud chorus -- as thousands of citizens now spoke out together, from cities small and large, all across our country.

Finally, the chorus became an earthquake – and the people turned out by the tens of millions, and they were all united by one very simple, but crucial demand, that America must put its own citizens first ... because only then, can we truly MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.

Dying industries will come roaring back to life. Heroic veterans will get the care they so desperately need.

Our military will be given the resources its brave warriors so richly deserve.

Crumbling infrastructure will be replaced with new roads, bridges, tunnels, airports and railways gleaming across our beautiful land.

Our terrible drug epidemic will slow down and ultimately, stop.

And our neglected inner cities will see a rebirth of hope, safety, and opportunity.

Above all else, we will keep our promises to the American people.

It's been a little over a month since my inauguration, and I want to take this moment to update the Nation on the progress I've made in keeping those promises.

Since my election, Ford, Fiat-Chrysler, General Motors, Sprint, Softbank, Lockheed, Intel, Walmart, and many others, have announced that they will invest billions of dollars in the United States and will create tens of thousands of new American jobs.

The stock market has gained almost three trillion dollars in value since the election on November 8th, a record. We've saved taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars by bringing down the price of the fantastic new F-35 jet fighter, and will be saving billions more dollars on contracts all across our Government. We have placed a hiring freeze on non-military and non-essential Federal workers.

We have begun to drain the swamp of government corruption by imposing a 5 year ban on lobbying by executive branch officials –- and a lifetime ban on becoming lobbyists for a foreign government.

We have undertaken a historic effort to massively reduce job?crushing regulations, creating a deregulation task force inside of every Government agency; imposing a new rule which mandates that for every 1 new regulation, 2 old regulations must be eliminated; and stopping a regulation that threatens the future and livelihoods of our great coal miners.

We have cleared the way for the construction of the Keystone and Dakota Access Pipelines -- thereby creating tens of thousands of jobs -- and I've issued a new directive that new American pipelines be made with American steel.

We have withdrawn the United States from the job-killing Trans-Pacific Partnership.

With the help of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, we have formed a Council with our neighbors in Canada to help ensure that women entrepreneurs have access to the networks, markets and capital they need to start a business and live out their financial dreams.

To protect our citizens, I have directed the Department of Justice to form a Task Force on Reducing Violent Crime.

I have further ordered the Departments of Homeland Security and Justice, along with the Department of State and the Director of National Intelligence, to coordinate an aggressive strategy to dismantle the criminal cartels that have spread across our Nation.

We will stop the drugs from pouring into our country and poisoning our youth -- and we will expand treatment for those who have become so badly addicted.

At the same time, my Administration has answered the pleas of the American people for immigration enforcement and border security. By finally enforcing our immigration laws, we will raise wages, help the unemployed, save billions of dollars, and make our communities safer for everyone. We want all Americans to succeed –- but that can't happen in an environment of lawless chaos. We must restore integrity and the rule of law to our borders.

For that reason, we will soon begin the construction of a great wall along our southern border. It will be started ahead of schedule and, when finished, it will be a very effective weapon against drugs and crime.

As we speak, we are removing gang members, drug dealers and criminals that threaten our communities and prey on our citizens. Bad ones are going out as I speak tonight and as I have promised.

To any in Congress who do not believe we should enforce our laws, I would ask you this question: what would you say to the American family that loses their jobs, their income, or a loved one, because America refused to uphold its laws and defend its borders?

Our obligation is to serve, protect, and defend the citizens of the United States. We are also taking strong measures to protect our Nation from Radical Islamic Terrorism.

According to data provided by the Department of Justice, the vast majority of individuals convicted for terrorism-related offenses since 9/11 came here from outside of our country. We have seen the attacks at home -– from Boston to San Bernardino to the Pentagon and yes, even the World Trade Center.

We have seen the attacks in France, in Belgium, in Germany and all over the world.

It is not compassionate, but reckless, to allow uncontrolled entry from places where proper vetting cannot occur. Those given the high honor of admission to the United States should support this country and love its people and its values.

We cannot allow a beachhead of terrorism to form inside America -- we cannot allow our Nation to become a sanctuary for extremists.

That is why my Administration has been working on improved vetting procedures, and we will shortly take new steps to keep our Nation safe -- and to keep out those who would do us harm.

As promised, I directed the Department of Defense to develop a plan to demolish and destroy ISIS -- a network of lawless savages that have slaughtered Muslims and Christians, and men, women, and children of all faiths and beliefs. We will work with our allies, including our friends and allies in the Muslim world, to extinguish this vile enemy from our planet.

I have also imposed new sanctions on entities and individuals who support Iran's ballistic missile program, and reaffirmed our unbreakable alliance with the State of Israel.

Finally, I have kept my promise to appoint a Justice to the United States Supreme Court -- from my list of 20 judges -- who will defend our Constitution. I am honored to have Maureen Scalia with us in the gallery tonight. Her late, great husband, Antonin Scalia, will forever be a symbol of American justice. To fill his seat, we have chosen Judge Neil Gorsuch, a man of incredible skill, and deep devotion to the law. He was confirmed unanimously to the Court of Appeals, and I am asking the Senate to swiftly approve his nomination.

Tonight, as I outline the next steps we must take as a country, we must honestly acknowledge the circumstances we inherited.

Ninety-four million Americans are out of the labor force.

Over 43 million people are now living in poverty, and over 43 million Americans are on food stamps.

More than 1 in 5 people in their prime working years are not working.

We have the worst financial recovery in 65 years.

In the last 8 years, the past Administration has put on more new debt than nearly all other Presidents combined.

We've lost more than one-fourth of our manufacturing jobs since NAFTA was approved, and we've lost 60,000 factories since China joined the World Trade Organization in 2001.

Our trade deficit in goods with the world last year was nearly $800 billion dollars.

And overseas, we have inherited a series of tragic foreign policy disasters.

Solving these, and so many other pressing problems, will require us to work past the differences of party. It will require us to tap into the American spirit that has overcome every challenge throughout our long and storied history.

But to accomplish our goals at home and abroad, we must restart the engine of the American economy -- making it easier for companies to do business in the United States, and much harder for companies to leave.

Right now, American companies are taxed at one of the highest rates anywhere in the world.

My economic team is developing historic tax reform that will reduce the tax rate on our companies so they can compete and thrive anywhere and with anyone. At the same time, we will provide massive tax relief for the middle class.

We must create a level playing field for American companies and workers.

Currently, when we ship products out of America, many other countries make us pay very high tariffs and taxes -- but when foreign companies ship their products into America, we charge them almost nothing.

I just met with officials and workers from a great American company, Harley-Davidson. In fact, they proudly displayed five of their magnificent motorcycles, made in the USA, on the front lawn of the White House.

At our meeting, I asked them, how are you doing, how is business? They said that it's good. I asked them further how they are doing with other countries, mainly international sales. They told me -- without even complaining because they have been mistreated for so long that they have become used to it -- that it is very hard to do business with other countries because they tax our goods at such a high rate. They said that in one case another country taxed their motorcycles at 100 percent.

They weren't even asking for change. But I am.

I believe strongly in free trade but it also has to be FAIR TRADE.

The first Republican President, Abraham Lincoln, warned that the "abandonment of the protective policy by the American Government [will] produce want and ruin among our people."

Lincoln was right -- and it is time we heeded his words. I am not going to let America and its great companies and workers, be taken advantage of anymore.

I am going to bring back millions of jobs. Protecting our workers also means reforming our system of legal immigration. The current, outdated system depresses wages for our poorest workers, and puts great pressure on taxpayers.

Nations around the world, like Canada, Australia and many others –- have a merit-based immigration system. It is a basic principle that those seeking to enter a country ought to be able to support themselves financially. Yet, in America, we do not enforce this rule, straining the very public resources that our poorest citizens rely upon. According to the National Academy of Sciences, our current immigration system costs America's taxpayers many billions of dollars a year.

Switching away from this current system of lower-skilled immigration, and instead adopting a merit-based system, will have many benefits: it will save countless dollars, raise workers' wages, and help struggling families –- including immigrant families –- enter the middle class.

I believe that real and positive immigration reform is possible, as long as we focus on the following goals: to improve jobs and wages for Americans, to strengthen our nation’s security, and to restore respect for our laws.

If we are guided by the well-being of American citizens then I believe Republicans and Democrats can work together to achieve an outcome that has eluded our country for decades.

Another Republican President, Dwight D. Eisenhower, initiated the last truly great national infrastructure program –- the building of the interstate highway system. The time has come for a new program of national rebuilding.

America has spent approximately six trillion dollars in the Middle East, all this while our infrastructure at home is crumbling. With this six trillion dollars we could have rebuilt our country –- twice. And maybe even three times if we had people who had the ability to negotiate.

To launch our national rebuilding, I will be asking the Congress to approve legislation that produces a $1 trillion investment in the infrastructure of the United States -- financed through both public and private capital –- creating millions of new jobs.

This effort will be guided by two core principles: Buy American, and Hire American.

Tonight, I am also calling on this Congress to repeal and replace Obamacare with reforms that expand choice, increase access, lower costs, and at the same time, provide better Healthcare.

Mandating every American to buy government-approved health insurance was never the right solution for America. The way to make health insurance available to everyone is to lower the cost of health insurance, and that is what we will do.

Obamacare premiums nationwide have increased by double and triple digits. As an example, Arizona went up 116 percent last year alone. Governor Matt Bevin of Kentucky just said Obamacare is failing in his State -- it is unsustainable and collapsing.

One third of counties have only one insurer on the exchanges –- leaving many Americans with no choice at all.

Remember when you were told that you could keep your doctor, and keep your plan?

We now know that all of those promises have been broken.

Obamacare is collapsing –- and we must act decisively to protect all Americans. Action is not a choice –- it is a necessity.

So I am calling on all Democrats and Republicans in the Congress to work with us to save Americans from this imploding Obamacare disaster.

Here are the principles that should guide the Congress as we move to create a better healthcare system for all Americans:

First, we should ensure that Americans with pre-existing conditions have access to coverage, and that we have a stable transition for Americans currently enrolled in the healthcare exchanges.

Secondly, we should help Americans purchase their own coverage, through the use of tax credits and expanded Health Savings Accounts –- but it must be the plan they want, not the plan forced on them by the Government.

Thirdly, we should give our great State Governors the resources and flexibility they need with Medicaid to make sure no one is left out.

Fourthly, we should implement legal reforms that protect patients and doctors from unnecessary costs that drive up the price of insurance – and work to bring down the artificially high price of drugs and bring them down immediately.

Finally, the time has come to give Americans the freedom to purchase health insurance across State lines –- creating a truly competitive national marketplace that will bring cost way down and provide far better care.

Everything that is broken in our country can be fixed. Every problem can be solved. And every hurting family can find healing, and hope.

Our citizens deserve this, and so much more –- so why not join forces to finally get it done? On this and so many other things, Democrats and Republicans should get together and unite for the good of our country, and for the good of the American people.

My administration wants to work with members in both parties to make childcare accessible and affordable, to help ensure new parents have paid family leave, to invest in women's health, and to promote clean air and clear water, and to rebuild our military and our infrastructure.

True love for our people requires us to find common ground, to advance the common good, and to cooperate on behalf of every American child who deserves a brighter future.

An incredible young woman is with us this evening who should serve as an inspiration to us all.

Today is Rare Disease day, and joining us in the gallery is a Rare Disease Survivor, Megan Crowley. Megan was diagnosed with Pompe Disease, a rare and serious illness, when she was 15 months old. She was not expected to live past 5.

On receiving this news, Megan's dad, John, fought with everything he had to save the life of his precious child. He founded a company to look for a cure, and helped develop the drug that saved Megan's life. Today she is 20 years old -- and a sophomore at Notre Dame.

Megan's story is about the unbounded power of a father's love for a daughter.

But our slow and burdensome approval process at the Food and Drug Administration keeps too many advances, like the one that saved Megan's life, from reaching those in need.

If we slash the restraints, not just at the FDA but across our Government, then we will be blessed with far more miracles like Megan.

In fact, our children will grow up in a Nation of miracles.

But to achieve this future, we must enrich the mind –- and the souls –- of every American child.

Education is the civil rights issue of our time.

I am calling upon Members of both parties to pass an education bill that funds school choice for disadvantaged youth, including millions of African-American and Latino children. These families should be free to choose the public, private, charter, magnet, religious or home school that is right for them.

Joining us tonight in the gallery is a remarkable woman, Denisha Merriweather. As a young girl, Denisha struggled in school and failed third grade twice. But then she was able to enroll in a private center for learning, with the help of a tax credit scholarship program. Today, she is the first in her family to graduate, not just from high school, but from college. Later this year she will get her masters degree in social work.

We want all children to be able to break the cycle of poverty just like Denisha.

But to break the cycle of poverty, we must also break the cycle of violence.

The murder rate in 2015 experienced its largest single-year increase in nearly half a century.

In Chicago, more than 4,000 people were shot last year alone –- and the murder rate so far this year has been even higher.

This is not acceptable in our society.

Every American child should be able to grow up in a safe community, to attend a great school, and to have access to a high-paying job.

But to create this future, we must work with –- not against -– the men and women of law enforcement.

We must build bridges of cooperation and trust –- not drive the wedge of disunity and division.

Police and sheriffs are members of our community. They are friends and neighbors, they are mothers and fathers, sons and daughters – and they leave behind loved ones every day who worry whether or not they'll come home safe and sound.

We must support the incredible men and women of law enforcement.

And we must support the victims of crime.

I have ordered the Department of Homeland Security to create an office to serve American Victims. The office is called VOICE –- Victims Of Immigration Crime Engagement. We are providing a voice to those who have been ignored by our media, and silenced by special interests.

Joining us in the audience tonight are four very brave Americans whose government failed them.

Their names are Jamiel Shaw, Susan Oliver, Jenna Oliver, and Jessica Davis.
Jamiel's 17-year-old son was viciously murdered by an illegal immigrant gang member, who had just been released from prison. Jamiel Shaw Jr. was an incredible young man, with unlimited potential who was getting ready to go to college where he would have excelled as a great quarterback. But he never got the chance. His father, who is in the audience tonight, has become a good friend of mine.

Also with us are Susan Oliver and Jessica Davis. Their husbands –- Deputy Sheriff Danny Oliver and Detective Michael Davis –- were slain in the line of duty in California. They were pillars of their community. These brave men were viciously gunned down by an illegal immigrant with a criminal record and two prior deportations.
Sitting with Susan is her daughter, Jenna. Jenna: I want you to know that your father was a hero, and that tonight you have the love of an entire country supporting you and praying for you.

To Jamiel, Jenna, Susan and Jessica: I want you to know –- we will never stop fighting for justice. Your loved ones will never be forgotten, we will always honor their memory.

Finally, to keep America Safe we must provide the men and women of the United States military with the tools they need to prevent war and –- if they must –- to fight and to win.

I am sending the Congress a budget that rebuilds the military, eliminates the Defense sequester, and calls for one of the largest increases in national defense spending in American history.

My budget will also increase funding for our veterans.

Our veterans have delivered for this Nation –- and now we must deliver for them.

The challenges we face as a Nation are great. But our people are even greater.

And none are greater or braver than those who fight for America in uniform.

We are blessed to be joined tonight by Carryn Owens, the widow of a U.S. Navy Special Operator, Senior Chief William "Ryan" Owens. Ryan died as he lived: a warrior, and a hero –- battling against terrorism and securing our Nation.

I just spoke to General Mattis, who reconfirmed that, and I quote, "Ryan was a part of a highly successful raid that generated large amounts of vital intelligence that will lead to many more victories in the future against our enemies." Ryan's legacy is etched into eternity. For as the Bible teaches us, there is no greater act of love than to lay down one's life for one's friends. Ryan laid down his life for his friends, for his country, and for our freedom –- we will never forget him.

To those allies who wonder what kind of friend America will be, look no further than the heroes who wear our uniform.

Our foreign policy calls for a direct, robust and meaningful engagement with the world. It is American leadership based on vital security interests that we share with our allies across the globe.

We strongly support NATO, an alliance forged through the bonds of two World Wars that dethroned fascism, and a Cold War that defeated communism.

But our partners must meet their financial obligations.

And now, based on our very strong and frank discussions, they are beginning to do just that.

We expect our partners, whether in NATO, in the Middle East, or the Pacific –- to take a direct and meaningful role in both strategic and military operations, and pay their fair share of the cost.

We will respect historic institutions, but we will also respect the sovereign rights of nations.

Free nations are the best vehicle for expressing the will of the people –- and America respects the right of all nations to chart their own path. My job is not to represent the world. My job is to represent the United States of America. But we know that America is better off, when there is less conflict -- not more.

We must learn from the mistakes of the past –- we have seen the war and destruction that have raged across our world.

The only long-term solution for these humanitarian disasters is to create the conditions where displaced persons can safely return home and begin the long process of rebuilding.

America is willing to find new friends, and to forge new partnerships, where shared interests align. We want harmony and stability, not war and conflict.

We want peace, wherever peace can be found. America is friends today with former enemies. Some of our closest allies, decades ago, fought on the opposite side of these World Wars. This history should give us all faith in the possibilities for a better world.

Hopefully, the 250th year for America will see a world that is more peaceful, more just and more free.

On our 100th anniversary, in 1876, citizens from across our Nation came to Philadelphia to celebrate America's centennial. At that celebration, the country's builders and artists and inventors showed off their creations.

Alexander Graham Bell displayed his telephone for the first time.

Remington unveiled the first typewriter. An early attempt was made at electric light.

Thomas Edison showed an automatic telegraph and an electric pen.

Imagine the wonders our country could know in America's 250th year.

Think of the marvels we can achieve if we simply set free the dreams of our people.

Cures to illnesses that have always plagued us are not too much to hope.

American footprints on distant worlds are not too big a dream.

Millions lifted from welfare to work is not too much to expect.

And streets where mothers are safe from fear -- schools where children learn in peace -- and jobs where Americans prosper and grow -- are not too much to ask.

When we have all of this, we will have made America greater than ever before. For all Americans.

This is our vision. This is our mission.

But we can only get there together.

We are one people, with one destiny.

We all bleed the same blood.

We all salute the same flag.

And we are all made by the same God.

And when we fulfill this vision; when we celebrate our 250 years of glorious freedom, we will look back on tonight as when this new chapter of American Greatness began.

The time for small thinking is over. The time for trivial fights is behind us.

We just need the courage to share the dreams that fill our hearts.

The bravery to express the hopes that stir our souls.

And the confidence to turn those hopes and dreams to action.

From now on, America will be empowered by our aspirations, not burdened by our fears –- inspired by the future, not bound by the failures of the past –- and guided by our vision, not blinded by our doubts.

I am asking all citizens to embrace this Renewal of the American Spirit. I am asking all members of Congress to join me in dreaming big, and bold and daring things for our country. And I am asking everyone watching tonight to seize this moment and --

Believe in yourselves.

Believe in your future.

And believe, once more, in America.

Thank you, God bless you, and God Bless these United States.



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Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:23 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Thredbare.

He haz set such a low bar for himself that not mentioning hiz record breaking election fantasy makes this hiz best speech ever.

He didnt fail to include an outraje tho.

Prezenting the crying widow uv the seal team guy az a prop for a lie about the failed mission & leading a rediculously long applauz wuz disgusting.

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Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:35 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


The respons by Steve Bashear did a good job uv dispelling the fog Trump wuz trying to put out.

Wuts left sitting in the cold lite iz that the idea wuz to do a sort uv 'reset' to hopefully get everybodyz mind off the Russia thing.

Not going to work.



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Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:37 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I didn't watch the speech, but I just finished reading it here. Thanks for posting it Signey.

Anyone who knows me since back in the GWB years knows that the economy is one of my biggest issues. That being said, I liked almost everything he had to say, except the part about funding one of the largest increases in Defense spending. I'm not sure how that is a "goal" when part of the speech was about the 6 Trillion wasted in the last few decades in the Middle East that could have rebuilt our infrastructure 2-3 times.

I liked how he stated for the record these facts though:

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Ninety-four million Americans are out of the labor force.

Over 43 million people are now living in poverty, and over 43 million Americans are on food stamps.

More than 1 in 5 people in their prime working years are not working.

We have the worst financial recovery in 65 years.

In the last 8 years, the past Administration has put on more new debt than nearly all other Presidents combined.



Let's see if something really happens to turn that stuff around.


As for the rest of it, I liked it. I'm sure the regulars are going to be nit-picking things, but I don't see what's not to like overall. I certainly don't agree with J0's assessment that it was threadbare. I thought it was very uplifting and full of a lot more substance than any of Obama's bullshit about "Hope and Change".

Anybody can say a lot of nice stuff though. Time to walk the walk, Mr. Trump.


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 1, 2017 5:18 AM

JO753

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Then you like to be lied to. http://www.factcheck.org/2017/03/trumps-address-to-congress/

Obama wuz a great prez, going by the numberz.
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/
especially considering he did it with the GoPS hanging off hiz ass like aligatorz the entire time.

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Wednesday, March 1, 2017 6:07 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


LOL... glad the last 8 years went well for you. Everybody I know is doing much worse now than they were back in 2008. :)


From your second link...


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The economy has added more than 9 million jobs, and the jobless rate has dropped to below the historical median.


A majority of those jobs are minimim wage/part time jobs that replaced a lot of full time jobs you could make a living off of.

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The number of long-term unemployed Americans has dropped by 614,000 under Obama, but it is still 761,000 higher than at the start of the Great Recession.


That doesn't take into account under-employment. See above.

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Corporate profits are up 166 percent;


I believe that.

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real weekly wages are up 3.4 percent.


Assuming 4% inflation every year, compounded, 3.4% overall increase in weekly wages over 8 years is terrible.

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There are 15 million fewer people who lack health insurance.


Yeah, at the cost of everyone I know who makes quite a bit less than 100k a year paying more than double for health insurance than they did before the ACA started with double the deductible.

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The federal debt has more than doubled — rising 116 percent — and big annual deficits have continued.


Yeah... what Trump said.

EDITED TO ADD:

Doing the math, if wages were to have kept up with inflation, instead of real weekly take home pay seeing an increase of only 3.4%, it should be 36.85%

Let's start with a weekly take home rate of $100 to simplify it. Assuming a 4% increase to keep up with inflation, the numbers would look like this.

Year 0: 100
Year 1: 104
Year 2: 108.16
Year 3: 112.48
Year 4: 116.98
Year 5: 121.66
Year 6: 126.53
Year 7: 131.59
Year 8: 136.85

If your weekly take home pay increased 36.85% in the last 8 years, you have kept even with inflation. Anything less than that means your getting compensated less for the same amount of work than 8 years ago.

If you are only making 3.4% more now than you did 8 years ago, you have taken a 30%+ hit in pay in the last 8 years.

Conversely, with corporate profits being up 66% under Obama's administration, corporations have increased their average yearly earnings almost as much as the average American's compensation has decreased.

EDIT 2: Considering more than half of Americans are making less than the federal poverty level, I'd say that a large part of that 3.4% increase was the two small minimum wage increases in 2008 and 2009.

Jul 24, 2007 $5.85 for all covered, nonexempt workers
Jul 24, 2008 $6.55 for all covered, nonexempt workers
Jul 24, 2009 $7.25 for all covered, nonexempt workers

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 1, 2017 8:11 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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I just spoke to General Mattis, who reconfirmed that, and I quote, "Ryan was a part of a highly successful raid that generated large amounts of vital intelligence that will lead to many more victories in the future against our enemies." Ryan's legacy is etched into eternity. For as the Bible teaches us, there is no greater act of love than to lay down one's life for one's friends. Ryan laid down his life for his friends, for his country, and for our freedom –- we will never forget him.

This was, perhaps, the most inauthentic part of Trump's entire speech. He exonerated his own bad judgment by insisting yet again that the Yemen raid was "highly successful."

It wasn't. It was hastily planned because Trump wanted to show that he was tougher on terrorism than Obama. Instead of going over the plan in detail in the Situation Room, he casually approved it over dinner. The raid itself was a mess, apparently because the SEAL team was detected going in. Ryan Owens was killed, a helicopter was destroyed, none of the targets were killed, and contra General Mattis, it seems to have produced hardly any worthwhile intelligence at all.

Instead of taking responsibility for this, Trump has done the usual: blamed everybody else. He's implied in the past few weeks that it was Obama's fault. He's implied it was the military's fault. And when he's not doing that, he simply claims that it was a huge success and only the FAKE MEDIA says otherwise.

So naturally it became part of his speech to Congress.

Yemen SEAL Raid Has Yielded No Significant Intelligence: Officials
www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/yemen-seal-raid-yielded-no-signifi
cant-intelligence-say-officials-n726451?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

"Why at this time did there have to be this stupid mission when it wasn't even barely a week into President Trump's administration?" Bill Owens, whose youngest son Ryan was killed during the raid, said. "For two years prior ... everything was missiles and drones in Yemen....Now all of a sudden we had to make this grand display?"

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Wednesday, March 1, 2017 8:17 AM

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Trump gets 96 standing ovations, but Firefly was cancelled. Does that seem right to you? The best part of the spectacle was when the loaves of bread were tossed into the crowd and Senators McCain and Graham struggled with each other, almost coming to blows for possession of the last marble rye.

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Wednesday, March 1, 2017 8:53 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

LOL... glad the last 8 years went well for you. Everybody I know is doing much worse now than they were back in 2008. . . . A majority of those jobs are minimum wage/part time jobs that replaced a lot of full time jobs you could make a living off of.

The federal government will NOT be raising the minimum wage faster than inflation. Don't expect any help from Trump on that. Coal mining industry employment is NOT coming back to your state, unless you live in Wyoming. Don't expect any help from Trump on that, either, because open pit mines are cheaper than underground.
www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/2/21/14671932/donald-trump-coa
l-mining-jobs


The Rural Electrification Act of 1936 brought progress to the poorest parts of the USA, but neither Trump nor Obama can repeat that trick. If your state is doing poorly compared to other states, it will be doing poorly 8 years from now, because the federal government ran out of cheap and easy tricks like electrification a long time ago. Note the words "cheap and easy".

Trump and new trade treaties are NOT cheap and easy like he claims it will be, but you will find out in the next 8 years exactly how very slowly improvement will come to your state from new factories. Sadly, a state changes for the better very slowly, but citizens can move very fast to states where the big money already is. The trouble is that it is not an easy trick and Trump won't help you move.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/02/28/upper-class-elites-migh
t-hate-trump-but-they-were-key-to-his-success
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Wednesday, March 1, 2017 10:34 AM

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Again great points SECOND. I would add that no one is being real. Robots are expected to replace some five million jobs by 2020 here. In Britain it's more like 10 million. I don't see how our government can claim they are preparing for this, when they give speeches like Trumps that don't even mention it.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

LOL... glad the last 8 years went well for you. Everybody I know is doing much worse now than they were back in 2008. . . . A majority of those jobs are minimum wage/part time jobs that replaced a lot of full time jobs you could make a living off of.

The federal government will NOT be raising the minimum wage faster than inflation. Don't expect any help from Trump on that. Coal mining industry employment is NOT coming back to your state, unless you live in Wyoming. Don't expect any help from Trump on that, either, because open pit mines are cheaper than underground.
www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/2/21/14671932/donald-trump-coa
l-mining-jobs


The Rural Electrification Act of 1936 brought progress to the poorest parts of the USA, but neither Trump nor Obama can repeat that trick. If your state is doing poorly compared to other states, it will be doing poorly 8 years from now, because the federal government ran out of cheap and easy tricks like electrification a long time ago. Note the words "cheap and easy".

Trump and new trade treaties are NOT cheap and easy like he claims it will be, but you will find out in the next 8 years exactly how very slowly improvement will come to your state from new factories. Sadly, a state changes for the better very slowly, but citizens can move very fast to states where the big money already is. The trouble is that it is not an easy trick and Trump won't help you move.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/02/28/upper-class-elites-migh
t-hate-trump-but-they-were-key-to-his-success
/

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Wednesday, March 1, 2017 10:41 AM

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It's the first speech of this kind made by a president, I didn't watch in a very long time. I would say after reading it and seeing excerpts of it, wow the bar has been lowered. I think you two know what I mean. It's also apparent the man struggles with the truth. And that's an understatement.

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Prezenting the crying widow uv the seal team guy az a prop for a lie about the failed mission & leading a rediculously long applauz wuz disgusting.




I totally agree. I saw the shot of the group of representatives from the armed forces, stone faced, and I wondered what they felt about it deep down (not what they would say on camera).
That's how far he'll stoop and how far out of touch he is with the people who voted for him.



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Wednesday, March 1, 2017 11:45 AM

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I was ready to believe Trump on this statement, but then I checked. Trump, just an old-time salesman, deliberately made a misleading statement and more than tripled the actual cost, so far, of war.
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Trump: "America has spent approximately $6 trillion in the Middle East, all this while our infrastructure at home is crumbling. With this $6 trillion we could have rebuilt our country — twice. And maybe even three times if we had people who had the ability to negotiate."
Trump is using a long-term cost estimate; the actual amount spent so far is $1.7 trillion.

In a report released this month, the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service said that the Department of Defense estimates that the U.S. has spent $1.7 trillion on “war-related activities” from 2001 through Sept. 30, 2016. That includes military operations in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Libya. https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/R44519.pdf

Trump may be referring to a long-term estimate by a Boston University political science professor, Neta Crawford. She puts the long-term cost of the war on terrorism at between $4.8 trillion and $7.9 trillion when including future costs for such things as veterans’ medical and disability costs, debt service on borrowed money, and war-related spending in the Department of Homeland Security. http://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/imce/papers/2016/Costs%20
of%20War%20through%202016%20FINAL%20final%20v2.pdf


Trump is right about the cost of war being high, but the $6 trillion he cites has not been spent yet — so he’s not correct in saying “with this $6 trillion we could have rebuilt our country.”

www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/01/fact-checking-presiden
t-trump-first-address-congress/98537824
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Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:40 PM

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http://slate.me/2lzm43X

Trump’s Tribute to a Slain Navy SEAL Was Crassly Manipulative

It’s all about the ratings!

In addition to that weird note, a few other things about the moment rang false.

Trump cited Defense Secretary James Mattis to defend the proposition that the operation resulted in valuable intelligence, even after the Pentagon blew its credibility on this issue by posting a 10-year-old video that it mistakenly said had been seized in the raid. Other officials have said the raid produced no significant intelligence data at all.

The mention in the speech also comes after the commander-in-chief brazenly passed the buck to his military commanders in an interview with Fox & Friends on Tuesday morning, saying, “this was a mission that was started before I got here. This was something that was, you know, just they wanted to do. And they came to see me and they explained what they wanted to do. My generals are the most respected that we’ve had in many decades, I believe, and they lost Ryan.”

Trump got to point to Owens’ wife in the chamber tonight, but the commando’s father has very publicly refused to meet with the president. William Owens has called for an investigation into the decision to launch the raid and has told administration officials who are reluctant to look into the matter, “Don’t hide behind my son’s death.”

No such luck.




I'm curious about what the dead navy seals father said. It doesn't matter if it was planned under Obama's watch. What matters is did they update their intelligence on the compound before gong? Or did they rush in because of Trump. Things are in constant motion and could have changed drastically in that amount of time.

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Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:55 PM

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Here are 76 of Donald Trump’s many campaign promises. Has he kept any?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/22/here-a
re-76-of-donald-trumps-many-campaign-promises/?utm_term=.2810f30d23f7


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Wednesday, March 1, 2017 1:54 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

I'm curious about what the dead navy seals father said. It doesn't matter if it was planned under Obama's watch. What matters is did they update their intelligence on the compound before gong? Or did they rush in because of Trump. Things are in constant motion and could have changed drastically in that amount of time.

Bill Owens, whose youngest son Ryan was killed during the raid, said, "Why at this time did there have to be this stupid mission when it wasn't even barely a week into Trump's administration? For two years prior ... everything was missiles and drones in Yemen....Now all of a sudden we had to make this grand display?"

Obama officials declined to sign off on what officials described as a significant escalation in Yemen. Just five days in, Trump greenlighted the mission. Trump was “spring-loaded to move out and demonstrate something.” And a very impressive demonstration it was! Trump is not just a multi-billionaire but also a bold military genius! Congratulations!

A $70 million U.S. aircraft was destroyed by the Pentagon, not by the enemy. The pilot broke it when he landed and then the military bombed it so the enemy could not take selfies while seated in the cockpit, for the next four years, which would embarrass Trump. The Pentagon already has at least three investigations into the raid underway. Well done, Commander-in-Chief Trump! Well done!

www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/yemen-seal-raid-yielded-no-signifi
cant-intelligence-say-officials-n726451


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Wednesday, March 1, 2017 1:59 PM

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What you post is true. I will say though, the wife of the navy seal deserved to hear what Trump said. Her loss and pain are genuine. Also, when we shoot to kill is different from when we go for human intelligence and laptops. This raid was about the latter.

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

I'm curious about what the dead navy seals father said. It doesn't matter if it was planned under Obama's watch. What matters is did they update their intelligence on the compound before gong? Or did they rush in because of Trump. Things are in constant motion and could have changed drastically in that amount of time.

Bill Owens, whose youngest son Ryan was killed during the raid, said, "Why at this time did there have to be this stupid mission when it wasn't even barely a week into Trump's administration? For two years prior ... everything was missiles and drones in Yemen....Now all of a sudden we had to make this grand display?"

Obama officials declined to sign off on what officials described as a significant escalation in Yemen. Just five days in, Trump greenlighted the mission. Trump was “spring-loaded to move out and demonstrate something.” And a very impressive demonstration it was! Trump is not just a multi-billionaire but also a bold military genius! Congratulations!

A $70 million U.S. aircraft was destroyed by the Pentagon, not by the enemy. The pilot broke it when he landed and then the military bombed it so the enemy could not take selfies while seated in the cockpit, which would embarrassed Trump. The Pentagon already has at least three investigations into the raid underway. Well done, Commander-in-Chief Trump! Well done!

www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/yemen-seal-raid-yielded-no-signifi
cant-intelligence-say-officials-n726451


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Wednesday, March 1, 2017 3:21 PM

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Hey, instead of jerking each other off in agreement about one part of my post, why don't you have any comments about the meat of it.

Specifically:

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Doing the math, if wages were to have kept up with inflation [during the Obama years], instead of real weekly take home pay seeing an increase of only 3.4%, it should be 36.85%

If you are only making 3.4% more now than you did 8 years ago, you have taken a 30%+ hit in pay in the last 8 years.

Conversely, with corporate profits being up 66% under Obama's administration, corporations have increased their average yearly earnings almost as much as the average American's compensation has decreased.



And get fucked Second. I was making $15/hr in 2005, and $28/hr in 2009 when I got laid off. Not minimum wage.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 1, 2017 3:50 PM

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The byooty uv it iz, 6string, that we can boast about Obama'z seksessez AND blame the GoP for any failurez that happened during hiz administration!

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Wednesday, March 1, 2017 4:09 PM

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And get fucked Second. I was making $15/hr in 2005, and $28/hr in 2009 when I got laid off. Not minimum wage.

And then what happened to you? You stayed in one spot waiting for another good job to find you? Never did, did it? And along came Trump to save your silly ass, except he'll never know you existed. I live in Texas. I'm surrounded by Republicans. I know how very important and valuable they think they are to the functioning of the world. Their self-righteousness and over inflated self-esteem makes it very hard for them to understand they are not deserving big pay just because they are white. They either need to own something, know something or do something to deserve the big pay they think is their God-given right at birth.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 1, 2017 4:28 PM

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SECOND, I always love your common sense and honest posting. That said, I am tired of people going to the White thing. It's one of the problems the democrats have, and why they lost the White House as well as 1000 seats across the country since 2009. The White working class keeps getting poked in the same fashion you just did. It isn't only White people who act in the fashion you describe; favoritism.

Here's a controversial opinion. There is no such thing as White privilege. Minorities are sold this bill of goods to garner votes. It feeds into what they want to hear. What there is, is culture privilege. After you explain what culture privilege is, you can explain how being White in America has gained them privilege. How it has helped them get ahead and been a get out of jail free card, others don't possess. This is a truth the White working class can understand and accept. I have yet to see the democratic party has figured that out.

We need to stop poking White people to garner favoritism from minorities. It only builds a wall between hard working minorities and hard working White people who need each other.

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And get fucked Second. I was making $15/hr in 2005, and $28/hr in 2009 when I got laid off. Not minimum wage.

And then what happened to you? You stayed in one spot waiting for another good job to find you? Never did, did it? And along came Trump to save your silly ass, except he'll never know you existed. I live in Texas. I'm surrounded by Republicans. I know how very important and valuable they think they are to the functioning of the world. Their self-righteousness and over inflated self-esteem makes it very hard for them to understand they are not deserving big pay just because they are white. They either need to own something, know something or do something to deserve the big pay they think is their God-given right at birth.

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Love the video, good post.

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Wednesday, March 1, 2017 5:42 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
SECOND, I always love your common sense and honest posting. That said, I am tired of people going to the White thing. It's one of the problems the democrats have, and why they lost the White House as well as 1000 seats across the country since 2009. The White working class keeps getting poked in the same fashion you just did. It isn't only White people who act in the fashion you describe; favoritism.

Here's a controversial opinion. There is no such thing as White privilege. Minorities are sold this bill of goods to garner votes. It feeds into what they want to hear. What there is, is culture privilege. After you explain what culture privilege is, you can explain how being White in America has gained them privilege. How it has helped them get ahead and been a get out of jail free card, others don't possess. This is a truth the White working class can understand and accept. I have yet to see the democratic party has figured that out.

We need to stop poking White people to garner favoritism from minorities. It only builds a wall between hard working minorities and hard working White people who need each other.

If I was a politician, I would take your advice as very wise. You are a sage. On the other hand, I know from two decades of experience what white Texas Republicans say about niggers when they are in private, while in public the same Republicans would get extremely angry if accused of racism. Maybe your Republicans are decidedly better behaved than my local Republicans? My Nebraskan Republican relatives are completely without the racist flaws of Texas Republicans, so you might very well have different experience with your local variety of Republicans.

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Wednesday, March 1, 2017 5:57 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
SECOND, I always love your common sense and honest posting. That said, I am tired of people going to the White thing. It's one of the problems the democrats have, and why they lost the White House as well as 1000 seats across the country since 2009. The White working class keeps getting poked in the same fashion you just did. It isn't only White people who act in the fashion you describe; favoritism.

Here's a controversial opinion. There is no such thing as White privilege. Minorities are sold this bill of goods to garner votes. It feeds into what they want to hear. What there is, is culture privilege. After you explain what culture privilege is, you can explain how being White in America has gained them privilege. How it has helped them get ahead and been a get out of jail free card, others don't possess. This is a truth the White working class can understand and accept. I have yet to see the democratic party has figured that out.

We need to stop poking White people to garner favoritism from minorities. It only builds a wall between hard working minorities and hard working White people who need each other.

If I was a politician, I would take your advice as very wise. You are a sage. On the other hand, I know from two decades of experience what white Texas Republicans say about niggers when they are in private, while in public the same Republicans would get extremely angry if accused of racism. Maybe your Republicans are decidedly better behaved then my local Republicans? My Nebraskan Republican relatives are completely without the racist flaws of Texas Republicans, so you might very well have different experience with your local variety of Republicans.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



I'll defer to your knowledge concerning your local politicians. I'll not challenge your assertions their ranks are filled with bigots. It's just to me there is a difference between explaining that, and the way you expressed you anger by pointing out they are White. I took offence because it appeared to say, naturally their bigots, their White and they live in Texas. That paints Whites with a very broad brush. It feels like because they were elected to office, all those who voted for them are White and therefore bigots. I hope you get what it is I'm saying.

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And get fucked Second. I was making $15/hr in 2005, and $28/hr in 2009 when I got laid off. Not minimum wage.

And then what happened to you? You stayed in one spot waiting for another good job to find you? Never did, did it? And along came Trump to save your silly ass, except he'll never know you existed. I live in Texas. I'm surrounded by Republicans. I know how very important and valuable they think they are to the functioning of the world. Their self-righteousness and over inflated self-esteem makes it very hard for them to understand they are not deserving big pay just because they are white. They either need to own something, know something or do something to deserve the big pay they think is their God-given right at birth.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly




I own a house, free and clear, and I put a lot of money and sweat and blood into it. I also fought for 3 years to reduce the property taxes from $2,400/yr down to $1,100 per year. With no mortgage, and less than $2,000 in property taxes and insurance I'd be insane to move unless I was going to do it for something making over $30/hr again. Just living in this house while working minimum wage would be pretty much equal to most other americans making over $60k/yr.


I didn't get where I am because I am white. I got where I am because in less than 5 years when times were good I saved over 100k and didn't buy a bunch of stupid shit I didn't need.

I worked with mostly minorities at K-Mart. We were all making a buck more than minimum wage because we worked overnight. Most of us smoked. I roll my own for about a buck a pack. They were smoking Marlboros and Newports. Every one of them had a nice ride while I'm driving a 20 year old POS with a broken windshield. It's no wonder most of them were living with their parents or in a crappy apartment. They all have really nice big screen TV's though. I still don't own a TV that's new enough to get the HD signals...

I can't believe that I'm actually saying thanks to T here for bringing "White" out of the equation.


Why don't you say anything about the numbers I posted about inflation vs wages? Because you can't. Because I'm right. Call me an idiot anywhere else, but I know money.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 1, 2017 8:56 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I own a house, free and clear, and I put a lot of money and sweat and blood into it. I also fought for 3 years to reduce the property taxes from $2,400/yr down to $1,100 per year. With no mortgage, and less than $2,000 in property taxes and insurance I'd be insane to move unless I was going to do it for something making over $30/hr again. Just living in this house while working minimum wage would be pretty much equal to most other americans making over $60k/yr.


I didn't get where I am because I am white. I got where I am because in less than 5 years when times were good I saved over 100k and didn't buy a bunch of stupid shit I didn't need.

I worked with mostly minorities at K-Mart. We were all making a buck more than minimum wage because we worked overnight. Most of us smoked. I roll my own for about a buck a pack. They were smoking Marlboros and Newports. Every one of them had a nice ride while I'm driving a 20 year old POS with a broken windshield. It's no wonder most of them were living with their parents or in a crappy apartment. They all have really nice big screen TV's though. I still don't own a TV that's new enough to get the HD signals...

I can't believe that I'm actually saying thanks to T here for bringing "White" out of the equation.


Why don't you say anything about the numbers I posted about inflation vs wages? Because you can't. Because I'm right. Call me an idiot anywhere else, but I know money.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The next 6 paragraphs, which mention Trump, are the teaser for an article by Paul Krugman about Trump’s speech.

You could buy a house in Baytown Texas. Something good could happen to you in Texas (or not, all depends on you) and you won’t have to wait on Trump.

Why Baytown as an example? Because I bought, more precisely gave away for free, a house to an employee “Shirley” who was looking after my mother, now dead. I had to lay off Shirley, the whitest person I've ever known, because I only had the one mother. Shirley’s dream, which she told my mother one time while I’m listening, was to own a home. Shirley lived in a crap-tastic trailer that she paid $100 per week. The trailer owner said that if she paid for 10 years for a total of $52,000, Shirley would get title to a trailer worth $2,800. A deal like that should be illegal, but don’t expect Trump or the Republicans in Austin to outlaw such deals.

Shirley’s new home cost $116,031 in 2013. Today it is appraised for $143,385 at http://hcad.org 6ixStringJack could afford that, with a mortgage. It is in a nice neighborhood, full of old Republicans once employed at ExxonMobile. Multimillionaire living on one side of Shirley’s house, thanks to the performance of his Exxon stock in his retirement account. There were extra costs: I had to buy for the house a new A/C, new 30 year roof, new 4 door refrigerator with an ice-maker in the door. I still need to replace the iron pipes for the drinking water plumbing. Shirley couldn’t afford to fix it.

But the taxes are high: $728.60 to Baytown & Harris County and $2,714.13 to Goose Creek Independent School District. It is me paying, that is why I know.

Single people like Shirley making only $11.00 per hour by looking after old people can’t really live as middle class, can they? At least not without a Godfather like me. The home healthcare job Shirley does needs to be done for millions of elder people, but Trump is not doing a damn thing to make Shirley’s pay any higher. He would probably say Shirley should quit and get another job, as a nurse, but her old job still needs to be done and the pay is still only $11/hour or even less if an agency gets a fee for finding the jobs. Some other unfortunate person will get that crappy pay, an unfortunate who will be overlooked by Trump.

Trump is worthless to someone like Shirley. I know exactly how much Shirley makes because every year I fill out her income tax forms after I learned that Jackson-Hewitt charged her $314. It is my sneaky way to keep track of Shirley’s financial situation. (She is an “independent contractor” so she gets charged as if she is CEO of her own business.) And my sisters think that we were overpaying for somebody to look after my mother. I am certain that Trump won’t make a difference for people like Shirley. There was NOTHING in his speech on Feb 28th that would change Shirley’s awful situation for the better, except me. And she doesn’t even work for me anymore.

Coal Is A State Of Mind
https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2017/03/01/coal-is-a-state-of-mind/

The big news from last night’s speech is that our pundits are not learning. After all the debacles of 2016, they swooned over the fact that Trump — while still lying time after time and proposing truly vile initiatives — was able to read from a teleprompter without breaking into an insane rant. If American democracy falls, supposed political analysts who are actually just bad theater critics will share part of the blame.

But that aside, I was struck by Trump’s continued insistence that he’s going to bring back coal jobs. This says something remarkable both about him and about the body politic.

He is not, of course, going to bring back coal mining as an occupation. Coal employment’s plunge began decades ago, driven mainly by the switch to strip mining and mountaintop removal. A partial revival after the oil crises of the 70s was followed by a renewed downturn (under Reagan!), with fracking and cheap gas mainly delivering the final blow. Giving coal companies new freedom to pollute streams and utilities freedom to destroy the planet won’t make any noticeable dent in the trend.

But here’s the question: why are people so fixated on coal jobs anyway?

Even in the heart of coal country, the industry hasn’t really been a major source of employment for a very long time. Compare mining with occupations that basically are some form of healthcare in West Virginia, as percentages of total employment:


Even in West Virginia, the typical worker is basically a nurse, not a miner — and that has been true for decades.

So why did that state overwhelmingly support a candidate who won’t bring back any significant number of mining jobs, but quite possibly will destroy healthcare for many — which means jobs lost as well as lives destroyed?

The answer, I’d guess, is that coal isn’t really about coal — it’s a symbol of a social order that is no more; both good things (community) and bad (overt racism). Trump is selling the fantasy that this old order can be restored, with seemingly substantive promises about specific jobs mostly just packaging.

One thought that follows is that Trump may not be as badly hurt by the failure of his promises as one might expect: he can’t deliver coal jobs, but he can deliver punishment to various kinds of others. I guess we’ll see.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 1, 2017 9:33 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You keep assuming that I think 100% that Trump is going to fix everything. I think I said in my first post here several things about how it's time to actually do more than talk.

My post, which I see nobody has argued because it's an unwinnable argument, was dispelling any myth that Obama was good for our economy or for the average American worker.

Anybody without any knowledge of basic economics might look at the statistic that we had a 3.4% increase in average American's pay during the Obama administration and might think that sounded OK. But when you put that up against the 36.85% increase in pay that you actually needed to make just to stay even, it doesn't sound good at all anymore. I also pointed out that it was funny that if you subtract that same 36.85% from the 66% increase that corporations saw in general, they were actually doing 29% or so better than they were doing in 2008.

All I am is hopeful for the future and showing you that the last 8 years were not good for us. Maybe you're right and we're all still screwed. I hope you're wrong.

Well... you won't be screwed. Your addittional tax credit next year will be more than my income in the last 8 years. Good for you.


Check your class privilege next time you want to preach to me about White privilege.

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Wednesday, March 1, 2017 9:59 PM

DREAMTROVE


I thought the speech was pretty good.

Obviously I had issues:
1) immigration
2) energy policy
3) creating a new govt agency?

But there were some upsides:
4) infrastructure
5) inner cities
6) heathcare reform

and some casual mentions of things that we hope are promising
7) railroads
8) clean water
9) no more "go it alone" US foreign policy

Firefly fans?
10) American footprints on distant worlds are not too big a dream


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

LOL... glad the last 8 years went well for you. Everybody I know is doing much worse now than they were back in 2008. :)



Ouch, the burn.


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:

Prezenting the crying widow uv the seal team guy az a prop for a lie about the failed mission & leading a rediculously long applauz wuz disgusting.




I totally agree.



I'm going to third that comment.
Actually, Second thirded it so I'm going to fourth it.

In fact, there was a little too much of that towards the end. I think he ran out of material.


I'm going to agree with the prez' $6 trillion, since Bush critics were already saying $2T for 2 wars in 2008, then we added another 14 wars to that. War spending overall certainly doubled, so another 8 years, then yeah, seems very likely. Also, if that wasn't where the borrowed money went than why borrow the money? It does add up.

I think if Dems base their record on Obama, they'll be like republicans basing their record on Bush. Instead, the GOP had a tea party revolution. We shoudl do the same thing. Sanders is our Ron Paul.




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Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:

Trump gets 96 standing ovations, but Firefly was cancelled. Does that seem right to you? The best part of the spectacle was when the loaves of bread were tossed into the crowd and Senators McCain and Graham struggled with each other, almost coming to blows for possession of the last marble rye.



McCain and Graham struggle for possession of the last marbles all the time.

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Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:41 AM

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I'm not clear on how you are getting your 36% inflation, 6string.
pleez explain.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/

Therez a problem with inflation calculationz anyway - it dependz on wut you buy, so sumwun who duznt drive, for example, iz not going to feel any differens if the prise uv gas jumps. At least not till it cauzez the prise uv sumthing he buyz to go up.

You may hav made a good choise to not get a TV in the last 10 yirz, kuz now you can get a 50" 1080HD for haf wut you woud hav paid for a 32" 720 in 2007. An exampl uv negativ inflation.

Where everybody (exept you) iz getting milked like cowz iz houzing, either morgaj & taxez or rent. Its the main pipeline thats taking all the money up to the 1%.

2nd iz rite about wite privilij. The poverty & prizon stats tell the story.

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Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:59 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Just a couple of quick impression of Trumps' speech:

I first heard it on my way home (no visuals) and immediately recognized the cadence and tone of a SOTU/major Presidential speech: Plenty of applause points, soaring images. Trump SOUNDED Presidential, like we have been conditioned to expect a President to sound. At times, Kennedy-esque, at times Reagan-esque. I thought - listening to the last half of the speech, that it was very effective in that vast majority of people, Democrats included, heard what they were expecting to hear. Trump can definitely switch modes.


Seeing and listening to the whole thing:

The Democrats looked like they sucked on lemons. It really is sour grapes: They know a good speech when they hear one. Once again, they're out of step with their constituency, who mostly approved of the speech. KIKI asks "how did your beloved Democratic Party fuck up so badly?" and I have to ask: How does the DNC continue to fuck up so badly?

To those who found the presence of Carryn Owens, widow of Spec Ops Senior Chief William “Ryan” Owens, to be inauthentic, I have only one thing to say: Can you say "Khizr Kahn"? Sure you can. Both parties drag out the families of dead soldiers when it suits them, so this is a case of the pot and the kettle.

What shocked ME was the negative comment about the WTO. In international trade, the WTO is the third rail: You never touch it. It is the oldest and most widely-accepted construct of the globalist order. The globalists - of which the USA was once its head- have used the WTO as a political tool for decades, and membership has been granted or withheld primarily on the basis of which nations were willing to kowtow to the global order.

Trump once again pointed out that some companies (Lockheed Martin and big pharma) are gouging America. I'm sure that didn't make them happy.

As far as peace is concerned, when Trump mentioned finding peace where it's possible, my mind actually did a sideways skip to what Mal said about "them finding peace, if any is to be had". I know it's a different context, but I find it a very practical statement.

Overall, I think this functioned as Trumps "campaign speech" to the American people, not just to his base. Except for the Democrap Party leadership and the die-hards in the general public, most people were ready to hear his message.







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Thursday, March 2, 2017 8:21 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You keep assuming that I think 100% that Trump is going to fix everything. I think I said in my first post here several things about how it's time to actually do more than talk.

My post, which I see nobody has argued because it's an unwinnable argument, was dispelling any myth that Obama was good for our economy or for the average American worker.

Anybody without any knowledge of basic economics might look at the statistic that we had a 3.4% increase in average American's pay during the Obama administration and might think that sounded OK. But when you put that up against the 36.85% increase in pay that you actually needed to make just to stay even, it doesn't sound good at all anymore. I also pointed out that it was funny that if you subtract that same 36.85% from the 66% increase that corporations saw in general, they were actually doing 29% or so better than they were doing in 2008.

All I am is hopeful for the future and showing you that the last 8 years were not good for us. Maybe you're right and we're all still screwed. I hope you're wrong.

Well... you won't be screwed. Your additional tax credit next year will be more than my income in the last 8 years. Good for you.

Check your class privilege next time you want to preach to me about White privilege.

The GDP grew at a nice, steady rate under Obama. Your complaint should be that you didn’t get your fair share. You won’t ever get your share because the Republicans in Congress would call it Communism or something-ism if the people with the least got most of the increase. Instead, I will get your share. I’m not going to feel selfish because you keep voting for Republicans and the Republicans keep giving me your money. It’s your fault, not me. It is a nice system for people in the top 1%. Keep that in mind when you vote for the multi-billionaire in 2020, the guy who will lower his own taxes and mine.
www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-per-capita


And then there is the tiny technical detail that Bush indirectly crashed the economy in 2008 by NOT regulating the banking industry. Obama added regulation. Trump promises to remove those same regulations and will indirectly crash the economy again, as did Bush. Is it really that hard to understand what Republicans actually do when in control? Could that be because Republicans say that they are doing the opposite of what they are actually doing? That is not a rhetorical question because Trump answered it in the following story:

Before his speech, Trump invited network anchors to lunch and told them he was open to a comprehensive immigration bill that included a path to legal status—but not citizenship—for undocumented immigrants. The anchors were permitted only to source this to a "senior administration official," and they did. This fed a round of positive news coverage in the hours leading up to Trump's address to Congress.

The network anchors were asking on Wednesday why things mentioned at Trump’s Tuesday lunch were not in the Tuesday evening speech. The answer was simple: because Trump had said those things only to get positive news coverage before the speech. The White House admitted Trump lied to network anchors, calling it a “Misdirection Play” rather than a “Lie”.

What are reporters supposed to do the next time Trump tells them something on background? www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/03/trump-invents-new-word-lying-mi
sdirection-play




The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, March 2, 2017 10:37 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Siggy just drank all the koolaid.- GSTRING
GSTRING ... I see that, since you're out of "talking points" you've resorted to personal attacks. As usual.

When I said that this speech functioned as Trump's "campaign speech" to the American public, that is exactly what I meant. YOU know campaign speeches, don't you? Lots of promises? Few details? Yup - campaign speech.

But most Americans - Democrats included - were happy, or relieved, with the speech. NPR had Gray Davis, former Democratic governor of CA, on-air right afterwards, and even HE said is was a masterful performance.


CNN/ORC Poll: 78% Of Speech Watchers React Positively to Trump Address
Posted By Ian Schwartz
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/02/28/cnnorc_poll_78_of_sp
eech_waters_react_positively_to_trump_address.html


Like with Pelosi, it's just sour grapes with you. You hate Trump so much it just burns your ass when anything goes his way, and if the media isn't bagging on Trump 110% of the time, you hate it. And if anyone says any even NEUTRAL about Trump ... yanno, I recognize a good speech too, even tho I don't like them ... well, that burns your ass too. So go suck a lemon.



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Thursday, March 2, 2017 10:41 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

The GDP grew at a nice, steady rate under Obama. Your complaint should be that you didn’t get your fair share.= SECOND
You are such as ass. NOBODY got their "fair share". The reality is that the GDP growth went to the very top, and the wealth gap UNDER OBAMA grew larger than ever. Larger than under Bush, and larger than just before the Great Depression.

If everyone had gotten their "fair" share, many would have gotten more, and a few would have gotten a lot less. You are clearly one of those "entitled" people that that Democrapic Party started pandering to back in the Bill Clinton days.





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Thursday, March 2, 2017 1:13 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
I'm not clear on how you are getting your 36% inflation, 6string.
pleez explain.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/

Therez a problem with inflation calculationz anyway - it dependz on wut you buy, so sumwun who duznt drive, for example, iz not going to feel any differens if the prise uv gas jumps. At least not till it cauzez the prise uv sumthing he buyz to go up.

You may hav made a good choise to not get a TV in the last 10 yirz, kuz now you can get a 50" 1080HD for haf wut you woud hav paid for a 32" 720 in 2007. An exampl uv negativ inflation.

Where everybody (exept you) iz getting milked like cowz iz houzing, either morgaj & taxez or rent. Its the main pipeline thats taking all the money up to the 1%.

2nd iz rite about wite privilij. The poverty & prizon stats tell the story.

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http://www.nooalf.com



Inflation rates are hard to pinpoint and very easy to manipulate. Gas and food are usually not included in any of the calculations, for example. I did not see in your link if they were included or not, but I can assume at 2.5% that food at least is not included. Everybody's got to eat. Now that I'm on foodstamps there's not much decent food I can buy, but prices have risen so much in the last 5 years that I wasn't buying much good food when I still had them either.

Generally speaking, a 4% average yearly inflation is considered the normal figure. This means that everything costs twice as much about every 20 years. Ask your grandparents what they paid for a new car or for a can of soda and compare that to now and the math works.

I'll revise what I said to your graph though. I don't think you're going to like it:

Year 0: 100
Year 1: 102.70 (2.7%)
Year 2: 104.24 (1.5%)
Year 3: 107.37 (3.0%)
Year 4: 109.19 (1.7%)
Year 5: 110.83 (1.5%)
Year 6: 111.71 (0.8%)
Year 7: 112.50 (0.7%)
Year 8: 114.86 (2.1%)

That's still nearly a 15% increase you would have needed to make in pay to be compensated the same amount for the work. Obama's 3.4% increase during his administration still means that on average Americans are being paid 11.6% less than they were in 2008.

The part you're not going to like much? If corporations only had to make the same 15% to break even and they made 66% then under these new numbers while Americans saw a 11.6% decrease in pay, corporations are doing a whopping 55% better than they were before he took office.


I'm just using your numbers here. The numbers are so easy for anybody at the top to manipulate one way or another for whatever reason. All I'm saying is no matter what you can't fudge the numbers enough to make it look like Obama was good for the average American, economically speaking.



I know how tech works J0. I'm glad I don't have a $3000 brick sitting here that isn't even a smart TV. That wasn't my point. My point was that nobody, not even the dregs of society that have to work overnight at Kmart for peanuts, has a fucking clue about how to wisely spend their money. With so little available to them, I couldnt' figure out how they all had nice rides and new clothes and were smoking brand name smokes for $6/pack.


You keep talking about white privilege though. I was the only one showing up to the grocery store to spend food stamps that looked like he should be on food stamps.


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, March 2, 2017 5:37 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
http://www.factcheck.org/2017/03/trumps-address-to-congress/



Somebody already beat you to that one.

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Saturday, March 4, 2017 7:53 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
I'm not clear on how you are getting your 36% inflation, 6string.
pleez explain.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/

Therez a problem with inflation calculationz anyway - it dependz on wut you buy, so sumwun who duznt drive, for example, iz not going to feel any differens if the prise uv gas jumps. At least not till it cauzez the prise uv sumthing he buyz to go up.

You may hav made a good choise to not get a TV in the last 10 yirz, kuz now you can get a 50" 1080HD for haf wut you woud hav paid for a 32" 720 in 2007. An exampl uv negativ inflation.

Where everybody (exept you) iz getting milked like cowz iz houzing, either morgaj & taxez or rent. Its the main pipeline thats taking all the money up to the 1%.

2nd iz rite about wite privilij. The poverty & prizon stats tell the story.

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http://www.nooalf.com



Inflation rates are hard to pinpoint and very easy to manipulate. Gas and food are usually not included in any of the calculations, for example. I did not see in your link if they were included or not, but I can assume at 2.5% that food at least is not included. Everybody's got to eat. Now that I'm on foodstamps there's not much decent food I can buy, but prices have risen so much in the last 5 years that I wasn't buying much good food when I still had them either.

Generally speaking, a 4% average yearly inflation is considered the normal figure. This means that everything costs twice as much about every 20 years. Ask your grandparents what they paid for a new car or for a can of soda and compare that to now and the math works.

I'll revise what I said to your graph though. I don't think you're going to like it:

Year 0: 100
Year 1: 102.70 (2.7%)
Year 2: 104.24 (1.5%)
Year 3: 107.37 (3.0%)
Year 4: 109.19 (1.7%)
Year 5: 110.83 (1.5%)
Year 6: 111.71 (0.8%)
Year 7: 112.50 (0.7%)
Year 8: 114.86 (2.1%)

That's still nearly a 15% increase you would have needed to make in pay to be compensated the same amount for the work. Obama's 3.4% increase during his administration still means that on average Americans are being paid 11.6% less than they were in 2008.

The part you're not going to like much? If corporations only had to make the same 15% to break even and they made 66% then under these new numbers while Americans saw a 11.6% decrease in pay, corporations are doing a whopping 55% better than they were before he took office.


I'm just using your numbers here. The numbers are so easy for anybody at the top to manipulate one way or another for whatever reason. All I'm saying is no matter what you can't fudge the numbers enough to make it look like Obama was good for the average American, economically speaking.



I know how tech works J0. I'm glad I don't have a $3000 brick sitting here that isn't even a smart TV. That wasn't my point. My point was that nobody, not even the dregs of society that have to work overnight at Kmart for peanuts, has a fucking clue about how to wisely spend their money. With so little available to them, I couldnt' figure out how they all had nice rides and new clothes and were smoking brand name smokes for $6/pack.


You keep talking about white privilege though. I was the only one showing up to the grocery store to spend food stamps that looked like he should be on food stamps.


Do Right, Be Right. :)




Reposting this for J0

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