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Thursday, March 2, 2017 1:21 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Dude looks like Al Franken.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, March 2, 2017 1:53 PM

THGRRI


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Dude looks like Al Franken.

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Ah shit Jack. If you watch the video you'll see his name tag. Man you are the laziest poster on these threads.



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Thursday, March 2, 2017 3:15 PM

THGRRI


And Jack, if you watch the video's beginning you'll get to see Sessions under oath perjure himself. Opps...

Question, will Russia be the downfall of yet another of Trumps cabinet member picks?

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Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:29 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by G:
Look for some more scrutiny for Wilbur Ross. Deutsche Bank > Russian Oligarch money laundering > Deutsche Cypress Branch > Wilbur Ross > boom.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/27/wilbur-ross-is-still-
another-trump-cabinet-pick-with-underexamined-russian-ties.html


"After Ross and his team invested more than $1 billion in the troubled Bank of Cyprus, he became one of its two vice chairmen. Putin appointed the other.
DCREPORT.ORG
DAVID CAY JOHNSTON
02.27.17 2:36 PM ET
A study prepared exclusively for DCReport.org by James S. Henry reveals deep financial ties between Donald Trump’s nominee for Commerce secretary, Wilbur Ross, and three Russian oligarchs, whose lives and fortunes depend on staying in the good graces of Vladimir Putin.
These connections raise many new questions about Trump’s reliance on the Putin regime, which all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies say interfered in the presidential election on Trump’s behalf, but which Trump disputes.
These relationships between nominee Ross and the oligarchs involve ownership and management of a European bank with a reputation for laundering Russian money and making bad loans."

You wonder if *any* of his picks don't have Russian connections - f*cksake.



Shit G, good post. What a time for the democrats to be without subpoena power. I honestly don't like any of this.

P.S. Attorney General Sessions just recused himself from any investigations involving Trumps campaign.

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Thursday, March 2, 2017 5:35 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


"I'm good enough, and I'm smart enough, and dog gone it... people like me" ~Stuart Smalley

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Thursday, March 2, 2017 5:42 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
"I'm good enough, and I'm smart enough, and dog gone it... people like me" ~Stuart Smalley

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Glad to hear that Jack, and thanks for the bump.

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Thursday, March 2, 2017 5:48 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Glad to hear that Jack, and thanks for the bump.



No probs on the bump. BTW... you do recognize that quote, don't you? Saturday Night Live has been a pretty terrible show after the original cast left, but I figured if you're near retirement age you had to remember that.

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Thursday, March 2, 2017 7:06 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Glad to hear that Jack, and thanks for the bump.



No probs on the bump. BTW... you do recognize that quote, don't you? Saturday Night Live has been a pretty terrible show after the original cast left, but I figured if you're near retirement age you had to remember that.




No, afraid not.

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Thursday, March 2, 2017 7:19 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Glad to hear that Jack, and thanks for the bump.



No probs on the bump. BTW... you do recognize that quote, don't you? Saturday Night Live has been a pretty terrible show after the original cast left, but I figured if you're near retirement age you had to remember that.




No, afraid not.

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Thursday, March 2, 2017 8:48 PM

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The other 25 senators on Jeff Sessions's committee say they had no meetings with Russian ambassador in 2016. A strange coincidence if the meeting wasn’t about Trump. Obviously that doesn’t prove anything on its own. But the timing of Sessions’s meetings with Kislyak also call Sessions’s story into question. One was a chat after a Heritage Foundation event held concurrently with the Republican National Convention in Cleveland — the whole point of conventions is to talk about the campaign. The other happened on September 8 — the day after Trump delivered widely panned remarks praising Vladimir Putin at an NBC forum hosted by Matt Lauer.

Trump maintains that he has full confidence in Sessions, but Trump also professed full confidence in Michael Flynn just hours before Flynn was fired for lying about his own talks with Kislyak.

www.vox.com/2017/3/2/14794646/sessions-kislyak-senate-armed-services

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, March 2, 2017 9:48 PM

THGRRI


I forget which one, but one of those meeting SECOND happened 3 days after Obama read Putin the riot act for his behavior. I believe that took place face to face but I forget where.


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The other 25 senators on Jeff Sessions's committee say they had no meetings with Russian ambassador in 2016. A strange coincidence if the meeting wasn’t about Trump. Obviously that doesn’t prove anything on its own. But the timing of Sessions’s meetings with Kislyak also call Sessions’s story into question. One was a chat after a Heritage Foundation event held concurrently with the Republican National Convention in Cleveland — the whole point of conventions is to talk about the campaign. The other happened on September 8 — the day after Trump delivered widely panned remarks praising Vladimir Putin at an NBC forum hosted by Matt Lauer.

Trump maintains that he has full confidence in Sessions, but Trump also professed full confidence in Michael Flynn just hours before Flynn was fired for lying about his own talks with Kislyak.

www.vox.com/2017/3/2/14794646/sessions-kislyak-senate-armed-services

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



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Thursday, March 2, 2017 9:49 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by THGRRI:
I forget which one SECOND, happened 3 days after Obama read Putin the riot act for his behavior. I believe that took place face to face but I forget where.



Face to face. Was Putin standing on a bucket?

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Thursday, March 2, 2017 9:58 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
I forget which one SECOND, happened 3 days after Obama read Putin the riot act for his behavior. I believe that took place face to face but I forget where.



Face to face. Was Putin standing on a bucket?

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Thursday, March 2, 2017 11:08 PM

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Friday, March 3, 2017 9:57 AM

SIGNYM

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Oh, much ado about nothing. Trump gave a good speech and ... as sure as night follows day ... the deep state comes up with yet another pointless reason to crank up the old BUT RUSSIA! meme. Good grief.

I was trying to imagine a similar scenario (shoe on other foot) to put this in context for myself.

Imagine that Hillary won. Imagine that there is an investigation of SAUDI influence on the campaign. There are all of those Saudi contributions to the Foundation. There is her history of advocating foreign policies in the Mideast which really didn't benefit the USA or the EU, but benefited the Saudis quite a bit! There is her aide (Abedin) and supporter (Brennan) who have had decades-long, CLOSE ties with Saudi Arabia.

So her AG ... let's assume its (one of my least favorite Senators) Dianne Feinstein ... is heading an investigation into the Saudi's possible influence on the election. But she is a former Senator, and Defense Appropriations Committee member, and during that time she met with the Saudi Ambassador twice ... once at a weapons conference where she met with many other Ambassadors, and once in an in-office meeting. And she had testified that as an early supporter of Hillary she had not met with the Saudi Ambassador.

What would be my response?

Well, I would HOPE that I would be objective enough look at the context and content of the meetings. That conference ... is irrelevant. There's no time or opportunity to meet with anyone longer than to say "Hi, good to see you" and "'Bye, see you later", and if you DO step aside to have a lengthy private chat, well.... everybody notices.

The in-office meeting is more troubling. How long was it? Did the Ambassador have other business in the area, or did this seem to be a single-purpose visit? Did anyone else attend, or was it really private? Were there any other items to be discussed at the time involving Dianne as a member of the Defense Subcommittee - weapons purchases, for example?

Was there any opportunity for Senator Feinstein to actually influence the campaign in any meaningful way?

More importantly, what should Dianne do? Resign?

Now, I personally feel that occasional or incidental meetings with Ambassadors of other countries couldn't possibly influence an election. I would be more concerned about Hillary's very visible record of benefiting the Saudis, plus the enduring ties between some of her top supporters with Saudi Arabia, plus those Foundation contributions. Feinstein seems to be a unimportant piece in this particular scenario, but just to avoid the impression of a conflict of interest recusal would really help.

That's what happened, and I'm good with that.

All this huffing and puffing by Democraps is just propaganda.



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Friday, March 3, 2017 10:15 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, much ado about nothing. Trump gave a good speech and ... as sure as night follows day ... the deep state comes up with yet another pointless reason to crank up the old BUT RUSSIA! meme. Good grief.

I was trying to imagine a similar scenario (shoe on other foot) to put this in context for myself.

Imagine that Hillary won.



Subjective bullshit SIG. How about you stop imagining and join with those of us here who live in the world of reality. Hillary didn't win. You can not argue against facts with fantasy. We keep telling you that but you don't listen.

Fact, once again one of Trumps cabinet is caught lying about having contact with the Russians during the campaign. Fact, he did it while under oath.

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Friday, March 3, 2017 10:25 AM

SIGNYM

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How about you stop imagining and join with those of us here who live in the world of reality. Hillary didn't win.
THUGR, I'm just trying to separate my EMOTIONAL response from my ethical one, by imagining someone I truly dislike in the same situation to see whether I'm being even-handed. Like the thread where I was trying to draw a direct comparison between the Syrian situation and the Ukrainian one, but nobody wanted to engage in that. But you should try it sometime, it really does clarify things.

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Fact, once again one of Trumps cabinet is caught lying about having contact with the Russians during the campaign. Fact, he did it while under oath.
Fact is, he prefaced his answer with a comment about not being a "surrogate" for Trump, and he was answering in THAT context. I've been deposed a couple of times, and testified a couple of times, and your answers are somewhat conditioned by the questions that came before, and which concerns you think you're answering. I can see that happening and it's clear from Sessions' answer that's what he had in mind. It could be instructive to hear the preceding five questions or so.

But I see that you're defending the deep state again, which is what they pay you for, I guess.



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Friday, March 3, 2017 10:49 AM

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T

How about you stop imagining and join with those of us here who live in the world of reality. Hillary didn't win.



quote SIG

THUGR, I'm just trying to separate my EMOTIONAL response from my ethical one, by imagining someone I truly dislike in the same situation to see whether I'm being even-handed. Like the thread where I was trying to draw a direct comparison between the Syrian situation and the Ukrainian one, but nobody wanted to engage in that. But you should try it sometime, it really does clarify things.



Fact, you're trying to deflect ( hey look over here ), with subjective bullshit as you always do. You say you want to be even handed. Then stick to the facts. Fantasy doesn't get you to the truth.


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Fact, once again one of Trumps cabinet is caught lying about having contact with the Russians during the campaign. Fact, he did it while under oath.



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SIG
Fact is, he prefaced his answer with a comment about not being a "surrogate" for Trump, and he was answering in THAT context.



Fact, he didn't do that when he was testifying. He suggested that on occasion he was thought of that way. And when he meet with the Russian Ambassador the first time in Cleveland, he was traveling at the Trump campaigns expense. Therefore he was acting as a surrogate and representing the campaign at that time.


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SIG
But I see that you're defending the deep state again, which is what they pay you for, I guess.



Really SIG? You post about fantasy and what if's and I stick to the facts. Yet you think it is me defending deep state ( which is another fantasy.) Go to your doctor and get something, anything that will help you with your delusions.


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Friday, March 3, 2017 11:24 AM

SIGNYM

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Fact, he didn't do that when he was testifying.- THUGR
Fact is, he did. In fact, Al Franken's entire question itself mentioned "surrogate". Geez, stop being such a hysteric, you deep-state troll, you.


I really don't want this to get buried by THUGR'S bullshit, so I'm gonna re-post. Apologies for the repeat if you've already read it

Quote:

Oh, much ado about nothing. Trump gave a good speech and ... as sure as night follows day ... the deep state comes up with yet another pointless reason to crank up the old BUT RUSSIA! meme. Good grief.

I was trying to imagine a similar scenario (shoe on other foot) to put this in context for myself.

Imagine that Hillary won. Imagine that there is an investigation of SAUDI influence on the campaign. There are all of those Saudi contributions to the Foundation. There is her history of advocating foreign policies in the Mideast which really didn't benefit the USA or the EU, but benefited the Saudis quite a bit! There is her aide (Abedin) and supporter (Brennan) who have had decades-long, CLOSE ties with Saudi Arabia.

So her AG ... let's assume its (one of my least favorite Senators) Dianne Feinstein ... is heading an investigation into the Saudi's possible influence on the election. But she is a former Senator, and Defense Appropriations Committee member, and during that time she met with the Saudi Ambassador twice ... once at a weapons conference where she met with many other Ambassadors, and once in an in-office meeting. And she had testified that as an early supporter of Hillary she had not met with the Saudi Ambassador.

What would be my response?

Well, I would HOPE that I would be objective enough look at the context and content of the meetings. That conference ... is irrelevant. There's no time or opportunity to meet with anyone longer than to say "Hi, good to see you" and "'Bye, see you later", and if you DO step aside to have a lengthy private chat, well.... everybody notices.

The in-office meeting is more troubling. How long was it? Did the Ambassador have other business in the area, or did this seem to be a single-purpose visit? Did anyone else attend, or was it really private? Were there any other items to be discussed at the time involving Dianne as a member of the Defense Subcommittee - weapons purchases, for example?

Was there any opportunity for Senator Feinstein to actually influence the campaign in any meaningful way?

More importantly, what should Dianne do? Resign?

Now, I personally feel that occasional or incidental meetings with Ambassadors of other countries couldn't possibly influence an election. I would be more concerned about Hillary's very visible record of benefiting the Saudis, plus the enduring ties between some of her top supporters with Saudi Arabia, plus those Foundation contributions. Feinstein seems to be a unimportant piece in this particular scenario, but just to avoid the impression of a conflict of interest recusal would really help.

That's what happened, and I'm good with that.

All this huffing and puffing by Democraps is just propaganda.






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Friday, March 3, 2017 11:30 AM

THGRRI


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Fact, he didn't do that when he was testifying.- THUGR
Fact is, he did. In fact, Al Franken's entire question itself mentioned "surrogate". Geez, stop being such a hysteric, you deep-state troll, you.




While testifying he suggested that on occasion he was thought of that way. And he denied meeting with any Russians during the campaign.

When actually he meet with the Russian Ambassador in Cleveland, he was traveling at the Trump campaigns expense. Therefore he was acting as a surrogate and representing the campaign at that time.



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Friday, March 3, 2017 11:33 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


We now know more about why Jeff Sessions and a Russian ambassador crossed paths at the Republican convention

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... The Cleveland event, the "Global Partners in Diplomacy" conference, was attended by many foreign ambassadors to the US. A Cleveland Plain Dealer story from July 20 reported 80 ambassadors were invited to the event's reception, during which Sen. Bob Corker of Tennessee, the chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, gave an address.

As a State Department spokesperson told Business Insider in an email, the State Department has invited foreign ambassadors to both the DNC and RNC "as observers of our democratic process" since the 1980s. The State Department manages invitations, logistics, and security, and ambassadors are responsible for their own expenses, including flight and hotel accomodations. The convention committees develop the programming the ambassadors participate in or attend ...

Sessions provided a keynote address at a defense and national-security luncheon attended by roughly 100 individuals. The spokesperson said, "I believe he was speaking as a senator on Armed Services" during his address, not as a Trump campaign surrogate.

Oh, so the Ambassadorial invitations were John Kerry's baby, eh? In any case, people are not able to plot a coup at a meet-and-greet.

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The second conversation between Sessions and Kislyak reportedly took place in September at the senator's office, according to The Washington Post. US investigators examined the conversations, the Journal reported, as part of an investigation into communications between Trump's campaign operatives and Russian officials.
Certainly more worthwhile of attention, which is why I had so many questions about it.

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-jeff-sessions-spoke-to-russian-amba
ssador-rnc-2017-3


OMFG, get a grip THUGR.



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Friday, March 3, 2017 11:39 AM

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Jeff Sessions's 2016 Day Planner



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Friday, March 3, 2017 11:42 AM

SIGNYM

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As usual SECOND, you're lying.



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Friday, March 3, 2017 11:43 AM

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Jeff Sessions's 2016 Day Planner






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Friday, March 3, 2017 11:50 AM

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As usual SECOND, you're lying.

Six times Jeff Sessions talked about perjury, access and recusal — when it involved the Clintons.
Good old Jeff used to be very concerned about people lying under oath, excluding himself, obviously.
www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/03/02/six-times-jeff-s
essions-talked-about-perjury-access-and-special-prosecutors-when-it-involved-the-clintons
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Friday, March 3, 2017 12:06 PM

SIGNYM

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SECOND ... I knew, as did you (if you were old enough to remember) that the Monica Lewinsky thing, and the "lying under oath" to Congress about whether or not Bill had sex with that woman, was a giant witch hunt.

So is this.

So don't be a douche. Instead of focusing on stupid "gotchas" - which are really just excuses for rabid partisanship- why don't you put your attention to more important thoughts?

Yanno: What are America's interests? What do you want the nation to look like in 10 years? How do you want it to function?


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Friday, March 3, 2017 12:27 PM

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SECOND ... I knew, as did you . . .

Will Jeff Sessions have to recuse himself because Mike Pence used private email as governor and it got hacked? Good old Jeff was very worried when Hillary did the same.

Back when he was governor of Indiana, Vice President Mike Pence used a private email account to conduct official government business, per an investigation from the Indianapolis Star. This is, as any sane person would admit, not the biggest deal in the world. And in a sane universe it would be a relatively small story. But in the actual universe, the number one most-covered story of the 2016 presidential election campaign — by far — was a pseudo-scandal over Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email account to conduct official State Department business.

And Pence — like his running mate and virtually every Republican elected official in the country — professed to believe it was a huge deal as shown in this tweet:

Mike Pence @mike_pence

Donald Trump and I commend the FBI for reopening an investigation into Clinton's personal email server because no one is above the law.
6:46 PM - 28 Oct 2016
https://twitter.com/mike_pence/status/792150505015377920

What’s perhaps most interesting about the Pence story is that, as the Indianapolis Star’s investigation shows, the merely hypothetical security risks Republicans raised about Clinton’s emails were genuine problems with Pence’s account:

1) “Pence communicated via his personal AOL account with top advisers on topics ranging from security gates at the governor’s residence to the state’s response to terror attacks across the globe.”

2) “Pence's personal account was hacked last summer.”

3) “In one email, Pence’s top state homeland security adviser relayed an update from the FBI regarding the arrests of several men on federal terror-related charges.”

Critics frequently charged that even if the security of Clinton’s email account was never provably compromised, the real problem is that the account was an effort to evade public records law. She retained lawyers to sift through the archives and hand the work-related ones over to the government, but that’s different from a normal setup using .gov servers in which all work emails would automatically be recorded.

Pence, it turns out, is following the exact same process:

Pence's office said his campaign hired outside counsel as he was departing as governor to review his AOL emails and transfer any involving public business to the state.

The distinction Pence is leaning on is that he conducted official business using an AOL email account, whereas Clinton conducted official business using a server that her family set up after they left the White House.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/3/14801152/mike-pence-aol-email

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Friday, March 3, 2017 12:42 PM

SIGNYM

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Well SECOND, at least you're talking about REAL issues now. Good for you!

Fortunately for us here in La La Land ...

Quote:

California Supreme Court Says Officials’ Emails Are Public Records

Government employees in California cannot hide from the public work-related emails and texts on personal devices and private accounts, the California Supreme Court ruled unanimously Thursday, closing a loophole justices said could allow the "most sensitive, and potentially damning" communications to be shielded.

California now joins a growing list of states that treat public business on private accounts as public records.

The ruling came in a lawsuit against the city of San Jose. San Jose City Attorney Richard Doyle said he was not surprised by the decision and did not plan to challenge it.



MORE AT http://www.kpbs.org/news/2017/mar/02/court-decide-whether-california-o
fficials-private
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There are two aspects to using personal servers and communications devices for official business. The first is to evade public records access. While this is becoming LEGALLY less-defensible, practically-speaking if you wipe your records in such as way that they are no longer forensically recoverable (like Hillary did) it becomes difficult to access.

The second part of this, of course, is security. While any official site can be hacked, personal devices are usually a lot less secure, so using them for government-secret communication is really stupid.

Pence was really stupid. I don't know what kind of punishment should be attached to that action, but OMFG he should be given a dunce cap and made to sit in the corner or something. Pay a huge fine. Have his security clearance suspended. Have a personal monitor for his device-use. Go the jail if criminality is involved. SOMETHING. People who do this kind of crap- like Hillary and Pence - should have their heads on a pike at the city gates, as a warning to others.

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But in the actual universe, the number one most-covered story of the 2016 presidential election campaign — by far — was a pseudo-scandal over Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email account to conduct official State Department business.
AND the 33,000 "personal" emails which were bleach-bitted into smithereens after a subpoena was issued.

Because at least he didn't destroy his records after being subpoenaed, like Hillary did. (BTW, the care with which her records were destroyed itself indicates there was something to hide. It's not like they just hit the "delete" button ... you have to physically overwrite the drive dozens of times to remove all traces of previous information.)

So if Sessions gets a Special Prosecutor for one conversation with the Russian Ambassador (the other encounter really doesn't count) ... will Hillary get one, too?

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Friday, March 3, 2017 1:31 PM

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Back to Jeff Sessions. The context has shifted massively since Election Day. During the campaign, Trump campaigned on an openly pro-Russian policy agenda and spoke constantly of WikiLeaks as central to his campaign message. Under the circumstances, Trumpworld figures such as Jeff would regard discussions with Russian officials or Russia-linked figures as NOT problematic. Looking at the problematic Kislyak contacts in the broader context after the campaign ended makes it clear why skeptics aren’t going to just take Sessions’s word for it that these discussions had nothing to do with the campaign.

It is too bad the FBI can't get the Russian ambassador's files from his EDIC-Mini Tiny Voice Recorder he always keeps in his coat pocket. There would be a record of his meeting with Jeff.
www.amazon.com/smallest-Recorder-Edic-mini-Guinness-Activated/dp/B00PW
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Friday, March 3, 2017 2:04 PM

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Meh, Jeff Sessions has ben a dead weight in congress for years. Here's hoping he has to resign early and is out of govt.

T, I agree he should be gone, but I don't think Russia has anything to do with it.



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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Meh, Jeff Sessions has ben a dead weight in congress for years. Here's hoping he has to resign early and is out of govt.

T, I agree he should be gone, but I don't think Russia has anything to do with it.





If he resigns, it is the cover up of the Russian contacts that will be his downfall. You have to remember, Trumps whole cabinet and the vice president are on record lying abut these contacts. It has now been reported, Trumps son in law met with the same ambassador during the campaign, in Trump Towers. It's believed he was ushered in through the back door.

Trumps chief of staff just tried to get the FBI to suggest the reports were untrue. That others on Trumps campaign staff meet with Russian officials. Less than a week later we find out several held such meeting.

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Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, much ado about nothing. Trump gave a good speech and ... as sure as night follows day ... the deep state comes up with yet another pointless reason to crank up the old BUT RUSSIA! meme. Good grief.

I was trying to imagine a similar scenario (shoe on other foot) to put this in context for myself.



So it's ok if Hillary was a bit crooked for Trump to be the same? You sure have lowered your standards across the board. . . .

The "BUT RUSSIA! meme" is Trump's fault. He picked the wrong people. Trump's pro-Russian foreign policy has not emerged because Trump's team members are conventional Russia hawks. The Trump national security team are NOT Russian friendly: James Mattis at Defense, H.R. McMaster as national security adviser, Nikki Haley as UN ambassador, Dan Coats as director of national intelligence, and Mike Pompeo as CIA director. The lone exception, former Exxon Mobil CEO Rex Tillerson at the State Department, seems to have largely adopted Republican establishment views and is marginalized in the administration anyway.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/23/14712408/secretary-of-state-
rex-tillerson-trump-israel-russia-nato


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Friday, March 3, 2017 6:25 PM

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I'm wondering if you guys believe that we just stopped having contact ever since the American's won the olympic hockey gold medal in that Kurt Russel flick?



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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm wondering if you guys believe that we just stopped having contact ever since the American's won the olympic hockey gold medal in that Kurt Russel flick?

Don't get cute, 6ixStringJack. If Sessions had admitted that he had met Russia’s ambassador twice last year, he’d have prompted raised eyebrows rather than calls for his head. But by lying under oath, insisting he’d had no such meetings, Sessions has raised suspicions about what, exactly, he was so keen to cover up.

The same goes for the meeting Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and disgraced former national security adviser Michael Flynn are now known to have had with Kislyak after the election and before the inauguration. That encounter, too, was never disclosed and would have remained secret had journalists not discovered it. Indeed, with a camera permanently stationed in the lobby at Trump Tower, Kislyak must have been spirited in via a back entrance. If it was a perfectly legitimate diplomatic meeting, why the secrecy?

It’s becoming a pattern. Senior Trump officials from the president downwards deny all contact with the Russians – only to be contradicted by the facts. They then have to explain why they lied, behavior unacceptable even to those who might otherwise be relaxed about dialogue with Moscow. As Watergate showed, a first lie can spawn hundreds of others – and it’s those that get you.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/03/donald-trump-villain-rep
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Friday, March 3, 2017 6:57 PM

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Trump is on record saying he has no holdings in Russia. His son is on record saying he has a lot of holding in Russia. Then there is the thing about Trump criticizing everyone domestically and globally ( EVERYONE ), but Russia. Add to that his refusal to produce his taxes. What's happening now is all self inflected wounds.

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, much ado about nothing. Trump gave a good speech and ... as sure as night follows day ... the deep state comes up with yet another pointless reason to crank up the old BUT RUSSIA! meme. Good grief.

I was trying to imagine a similar scenario (shoe on other foot) to put this in context for myself.



So it's ok if Hillary was a bit crooked for Trump to be the same? You sure have lowered your standards across the board. . . .

The "BUT RUSSIA! meme" is Trump's fault. He picked the wrong people. Trump's pro-Russian foreign policy has not emerged because Trump's team members are conventional Russia hawks. The Trump national security team are NOT Russian friendly: James Mattis at Defense, H.R. McMaster as national security adviser, Nikki Haley as UN ambassador, Dan Coats as director of national intelligence, and Mike Pompeo as CIA director. The lone exception, former Exxon Mobil CEO Rex Tillerson at the State Department, seems to have largely adopted Republican establishment views and is marginalized in the administration anyway.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/23/14712408/secretary-of-state-
rex-tillerson-trump-israel-russia-nato


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Friday, March 3, 2017 8:10 PM

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Hey... maybe this is just Trump's way of draining the swamp?

I'm certainly under no illusion that Republicans in high up positions are "good guys" just because they're not Democrats.

What better way to get rid of crooks than putting them directly under the microscope you're all looking at now?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hey... maybe this is just Trump's way of draining the swamp?

I'm certainly under no illusion that Republicans in high up positions are "good guys" just because they're not Democrats.

What better way to get rid of crooks than putting them directly under the microscope you're all looking at now?

The guys who will "get rid of the crooks" are the FBI. James Comey, who got rid of Hillary, is the big FBI guy. Comey reports to Sessions. Comey sees no evil Republicans. Sessions hears no evil about Republicans. The Republican Congress speaks no evil about their fellow Republicans. With that system design, the crooks will have to do something horrendous, like kill a child at high noon on the streets of DC, before public opinion would immediately "get rid of the crooks". Or we can just patiently wait years, while twiddling our thumbs, for the next election.

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Friday, March 3, 2017 9:27 PM

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You say that... but....

Aren't we talking about a bunch of high ranking Republicans being disgraced and losing their jobs?



You just said that it's the FBI's job and they're not doing it. Looks like it's getting done now, and I haven't heard any stories about kids getting killed at high noon on the streets of DC even.

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Saturday, March 4, 2017 12:40 AM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Wow, it's like watching greased people wrestling in jello.

No issues, no facts, no logic ... just people being slippery and contorting themselves to come out on top.




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Saturday, March 4, 2017 2:31 AM

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Yanno, I have to wonder... What has Russia ever done to US?

I mean, everybody is running around shitting their pants with the thought of big bad scary Russia when, really, the Saudis (and their sockpuppets in DC) have done a bigger number on us than Russia ever did.

Just look at the clusterfuck that is the Mideast, caused by the last two Presidents. Saudi-funded and Saudi-armed nut-cases swarming over Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and Yemen .... where there were once relatively stable nations ... the jihadist threat growing exponentially, and Europe swamped by a refugee/ migrant/ terror crisis, and who benefited?

Us?

The only two nations which got anything out of us spending trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives in the Mideast and North Africa (not counting the hundred-thousand or more of brown-skinned people that we managed to kill) were

1) Saudi Arabia, because it got its proxy-jihadst army spread all over creation (thanks to our nation-destroying efforts) in its never-ending war against its mortal enemy, Iran, and
2) Israel, which doesn't mind proxy-jihadists spread all over creation in its never-ending war against its mortal enemy, Iran, because it has a deal about those jihadists with Saudi Arabia and the USA. (Funny how al Qaeda and its myriad offshoots never attack Israel, no?)


Here you are, cooking up paranoid fantasies ... and I really mean paranoid fantasies ... about Russia, when a real enemy is staring you in the face and you don't even see it.

Strange.



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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I mean, everybody is running around shitting their pants with the thought of big bad scary Russia when, really, the Saudis (and their sockpuppets in DC) have done a bigger number on us than Russia ever did. . . .

1) Saudi Arabia
2) Israel . . .

Here you are, cooking up paranoid fantasies ... and I really mean paranoid fantasies ... about Russia, when a real enemy is staring you in the face and you don't even see it.

Strange.

This is not a war you asked for, but an Iran War is a real possibility with President Trump:

1) Press Secretary Sean Spicer Falsely Accuses Iran of Attacking U.S. Navy Vessel, an Act of War
https://theintercept.com/2017/02/02/press-secretary-sean-spicer-falsel
y-accuses-iran-of-attacking-u-s-navy-vessel-an-act-of-war
/

2) And then there is this about Trump’s Defense Secretary: James Mattis’ 33-Year Grudge Against Iran
www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/james-mattis-iran-secretary-of
-defense-214500

I'm certain Trump knew Mattis' Iranian grudge when he picked him.

3) Ever since Donald Trump told the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) that his “No. 1 priority is to dismantle the disastrous deal with Iran,” the nuclear agreement has faced frequent predictions of its demise. Trump’s election was seen as heralding the death knell of the deal: On the campaign trail, after all, he said the Islamic Republic was the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism, a threat across the Middle East, and a country that has covert cells ready to inflict carnage around the globe. Allowing Iran access to billions of dollars in exchange for curbs on its nuclear program, he argued, was not in America’s or the world’s interests.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/01/24/trump-can-have-this-iran-deal-or-n
o-iran-deal
/

4) Iran could be why Trump's first budget will call for a $54 billion increase in defense spending and a corresponding cut in what his administration deems lower priority programs, White House budget officials told reporters Monday. The defense buildup that Trump repeatedly promised on the campaign trail would mark about a 10 percent spending hike.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Wow, it's like watching greased people wrestling in jello.

No issues, no facts, no logic ... just people being slippery and contorting themselves to come out on top.

Among the most prominent voices linking Trump and Watergate is Nixon lawyer John Dean, then described by the FBI as the "master manipulator of the cover up".

"I have been hearing echoes of Watergate ever since this presidency started," he told the BBC.

"We are not at Watergate 2.0 yet but we are certainly seeing trends and Jeff Sessions dissembling in front of the Senate is just another one."

"It's pretty clear listening to his testimony that Sessions certainly wasn't truthful when he was before the Senate and I don't think that's simply going to disappear because he's recused himself from partaking in any of the investigation as attorney general. That's going to continue," Mr Dean said.

"These eerie echoes of Watergate keep coming," he added. "I would immediately get a special prosecutor on the case," said Mr Dean.

Mr Trump's January dismissal of the previous attorney general Sally Yates also led to comparison's with Nixon's infamous "Saturday night massacre" during Watergate in 1973, when he fired an independent special prosecutor, triggering the resignations of attorney general Elliot Richardson and his deputy Gen William Ruckelshouse.

Nixon and Mr Trump are believed to be the only US presidents to have dismissed an attorney general.

George W Bush's ethics lawyer Richard Painter fears the Russian connection could make Watergate seem trivial: "The facts now in this investigation are much worse than the facts in the early stages of Watergate, which was a simple break-in ordered by mid-level campaign officials - not by the president. Here we have facts that are much worse: We have a foreign power that has orchestrated a break in. It's a much worse situation than the outset of Watergate."

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39151803

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Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:31 AM

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Blah blah blah....

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Blah blah blah....

The reason why your real life is not going well, 6ixStringJack, and in your desperation you have put your faith in Trump to fix your life is that when somebody tells you what you don't want to know in the real world far from fireflyfans.net you go "Blah blah blah".

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Saturday, March 4, 2017 9:03 AM

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Iran War is a real possibility with President Trump


No, it's not. Obama really tried that one. Trump isn't going to risk Putin's wrath on the issue. Expect a lot of talk, like with ISIS, but no actual action.
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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Blah blah blah....



I was going to give you props for doing this.

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Quote:

I mean, everybody is running around shitting their pants with the thought of big bad scary Russia when, really, the Saudis (and their sockpuppets in DC) have done a bigger number on us than Russia ever did. . . .
1) Saudi Arabia
2) Israel . . .
Here you are, cooking up paranoid fantasies ... and I really mean paranoid fantasies ... about Russia, when a real enemy is staring you in the face and you don't even see it.

Strange. - SIGNY

This is not a war you asked for, but an Iran War is a real possibility with President Trump:
1) Press Secretary Sean Spicer Falsely Accuses Iran of Attacking U.S. Navy Vessel, an Act of War
https://theintercept.com/2017/02/02/press-secretary-sean-spicer-falsel
y-accuses-iran-of-attacking-u-s-navy-vessel-an-act-of-war
/

2) And then there is this about Trump’s Defense Secretary: James Mattis’ 33-Year Grudge Against Iran
www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/james-mattis-iran-secretary-of
-defense-214500

I'm certain Trump knew Mattis' Iranian grudge when he picked him.

3) Ever since Donald Trump told the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) that his “No. 1 priority is to dismantle the disastrous deal with Iran,” the nuclear agreement has faced frequent predictions of its demise. Trump’s election was seen as heralding the death knell of the deal: On the campaign trail, after all, he said the Islamic Republic was the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism, a threat across the Middle East, and a country that has covert cells ready to inflict carnage around the globe. Allowing Iran access to billions of dollars in exchange for curbs on its nuclear program, he argued, was not in America’s or the world’s interests.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/01/24/trump-can-have-this-iran-deal-or-n
o-iran-deal
/

4) Iran could be why Trump's first budget will call for a $54 billion increase in defense spending and a corresponding cut in what his administration deems lower priority programs, White House budget officials told reporters Monday. The defense buildup that Trump repeatedly promised on the campaign trail would mark about a 10 percent spending hike. - SECOND



SECOND, hon do you even read what you write? First you go running around with BUT RUSSIA!!!! and when confronted with the fact that Saudi Arabia plus its puppets in DC (including Hillary) are our real enemy, you go running off in another hysterical direction: BUT IRAN!

So, which is better:

(1) Electing someone with a provable record of advocating spending trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives in an effort to forward Saudi Arabia's regional interests, with aides and supporters who have deep abiding ties with Saudi Arabia, and plenty of money from Saudi Arabia. Someone who has fostered and advocated direct war with Russia, or...

(2) Electing someone who MIGHT agitate to fight Iran, but try to reach reasoned relations with Russia?

I'm not too crazy about Trump's advisors statements about Iran. And if it were me, I'd drop Israel (largest recipient of our "foreign aid" ... mostly military) like it was a venomous snake. Except for needing a source of oil, we have no business being in the Middle East. If it were me I'd drop our "interventions" there .... which always seem to benefit Saudi Arabia and its proxy-jihadist army, and Israel .... like they were fucking hot potatoes, and redirect our military to fight actual jihadists, not phantom WMD. Once the proxy-Saudi army was defeated, I'd replace our military spending with rebuilding assistance, and greatly reduce the number and size of our installations in the region.

But, like the song says "You Can't Always Get What You Want". Trump will find it impossible to make nice with Russia while conducting hostilities with Iran (and China, BTW) and by moving against Saudi Arabia's interests but maintaining ties with Israel he may break the longstanding link between Saudi Arabia and Israel.

I would prefer that situation to continuing our assistance to Saudi Arabia in Yemen, Libya, Syria, Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Tunisia etc in its quest to be the Mideast caliphate and to destroy Iran

I can't stress this strongly enough, and I don't think that you grasp the full import of how far back our pro-Saudi, [and therefore] pro-extremist policies go. If I had to make a guess, it would be back to 1973 and Nixon's petrodollar deal with the Saudis. We gained a lot of influence, making oil the new backing behind our dollar, and that has led us to be able to maintain a balance of trade deficit that would have crushed any other currency decades ago.

But in return for the Saudi support for our dollar, we gave them something. The outlines of that quid pro quo seem to be that we allowed them their hegemonistic approach to the region, provided that they didn't attack Israel. Not only that, we found their proxy-jihadists useful for our own purposes of attacking Russia and its allies in the Mideast.

That made-up excuse for attacking Afghanistan, and the even bigger made-up excuses for attacking Iraq, Libya, and Syria? The result of leaving five nations as giant smoking ruins crawling with jihadists, in which we always seem to be making excuses for not attacking al Qaida? THOSE WEREN'T STUPID SERIAL MISTAKES, THAT WAS POLICY.

SECOND, dear, it's clear (to me) that you haven't really thought about our situation in the world, nor our policies in it. Your POV is so relentlessly partisan that you're missing the big picture.

Now, if you've followed me so far, I'm going to extend this both inward and outward.

1) No normal government - not even a democratic one - would ever tell us all WHY we were invading Iraq, and destroying Libya, and attempting to destroy Syria and Yemen. No elected official would ever stand up and say ..."Well, we're sending soldiers to the Mideast in order to protect our petrodollar, which gives us economic hegemony over much of the world." It just wouldn't fly with the American public. CLEARLY, the various Administrations - both Democrapic and Rethuglican- have forwarded this policy under various guises - "Osama bin Laden", "WMD", "freedom", "war against terror" - since at least GHWB and the first pointless invasion of Iraq.

How do they manage to keep this policy going despite the revolving administrations? It's been called the "military industrial complex", "shadow government", the "deep state" over the years, but clearly, policies have been implemented by unelected officials and propagandized by (parts of) the MSM, think tanks, NGOs, elected officials, spooks, neocons - even Hollywood!- to confuse our perceptions.

2) ASIDE FROM Saudi Arabia and the USA, who has a deep interest in maintaining the petrodollar? Well, I would look first towards anyone who holds a lot of Treasuries and dollars. By sector I would say banks and financial firms (especially derivatives speculators) and by nation that would be China, Japan, and Ireland, and somewhere in the top 15 is the major driver of this petrodollar arrangement: Saudi Arabia. http://ticdata.treasury.gov/Publish/mfh.txt Now, where do you suppose THEY stand on supporting the petrodollar versus pulling the plug?

China is working pretty hard to bring down the petrodollar ... but not until they have THEIR currency in place as a worldwide alternative. So China is willing to pull the plug, but only on its terms. The financial industry and many nations have a deep abiding interest in maintaining the value of petrodollar, because they're so heavily invested in it.


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Saturday, March 4, 2017 9:39 AM

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Quote:

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I mean, everybody is running around shitting their pants with the thought of big bad scary Russia when, really, the Saudis (and their sockpuppets in DC) have done a bigger number on us than Russia ever did



When you perceive people are posting negatively about Russia, you suggest it's because theses people are afraid. I've been down this road with you before. Ain't nobody in this country afraid of Russia.

To set the record straight, it is Trump everyone is talking about. About how he and his staff lied, and are still lying to the American people. It has been those lies, that have caused concerns Trump may have negative ties too Russia. Or Russia may have undue influence over Trump. Why, because why lie about something that can be explained away with the truth. To lie sets off a natural alarm within people.

As I have said before, Trumps and his advisors wounds are self inflected.


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When you perceive people are posting negatively about Russia, you suggest it's because theses people are afraid. I've been down this road with you before. Ain't nobody in this country afraid of Russia. -THUGR
WELL, YOU SHOULD BE. And if you aren't, it's because your head isn't screwed on straight. Russia is the next major ... or perhaps THE major ... nuclear weapons power, and you're an idiot if you forget that.

OK, yanno, you're just a blowhard idiot and a deep-state troll who is clearly beyond his depth.

SO: WHAT ARE AMERICAN INTERESTS? I suggest that those interests might include:

1) Not getting blown up in nuclear Armageddon, but stopping our ceaseless provocation of Russia.

2) Breaking off our support for Saudi jihadism, Maybe actually fighting al Qaeda instead of protecting them and militarily clearing the path for its takeover of the Mideast.

3) Working diligently to re-start manufacturing in the USA, and re-balancing our trade, so that we could either stave off or weather a petro-dollar collapse.

4) Finding a total replacement for Saudi oil, just in case they decide to boycott us, again. There are plenty of alternatives available.


In the grand scheme of things .... the Trump Administration SHOULD be talking to Russia. I welcome it, and I think there should be more; it would foster our REAL interests, not some rah-rah-deep-state-psycopathy that you seem to be pushing.



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One of the ways I know that Russia is a threat... is because you say they aren't- GSTRING
I just said that they were. Their power is military, and if we leave their borders alone, they will leave us alone.

The Saudi power rests on its support of the petrodollar. They have done more real damage to us than BUT RUSSIA!!! It's time you woke up to that fact.

CHINA'S power is economic, they are the "factory of the world", and they're looking to be a financial power as well.

The person engaging in either-or thinking is you. We live in a world of contending interests. It's time we started paying attention to ours.



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