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Is Trump Nuts?

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Saturday, March 11, 2017 5:46 PM

JO753

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Your buddy is an engineer. He's obviously not stupid.



Titlez do not equal brainz. Degreez do not equal brainz. Money duz not equal brainz.

I'v worked with many enjineerz. Plenty uv idiots in that profession.

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Give the fucking prez a chance to do good...


Wut if he haz no intention uv doing good?

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...or to screw things up,


This iz wut you dont seem to get.

Woud you giv a meth hed the keyz to your house while you go on vacation with the 'give the guy a chans' filosofy?

OK, he screwed that up. Now he wants to captain a 1,000ft krooz ship. Youv resieved a request for a karakter referens frum Carnival Krooz Linez. Are you going to rite 'he burnt my house down, but giv him a chans.'

He will hav the livez uv hundredz uv passenjerz & crew depending on hiz disision making abilityz. How bad coud it be?

See where I'm going with this?

The 'giv him a chans' lojik duz not work for Prezident uv the United States.

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Saturday, March 11, 2017 5:54 PM

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Originally posted by second:Trump needs to get more self-control right now, this very day, not some months into his term.


Therez sumthing to be sed for letting him screw up.

The bigger he screwz up the faster he gets kicked out and the more damaj he duz to the GoPs.

The problem iz that he iz also damajing the country, so will getting the GoPs out uv power in the next election be worth the damaj?

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Saturday, March 11, 2017 6:00 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:All of the people that I know who voted for Trump, including myself, voted for Trump on limited grounds,


Bad lojik. We dont get to ajust the power setting on the Prezident.

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The people that I know who voted for Trump are university-educated technical people who are for the most part immigrants, half of whom are women.


Good evidens for my previous post. Ph.D. = piled higher & deeper. An idiot iz an idiot no matter how much info he haz packed into hiz hed.

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Saturday, March 11, 2017 6:03 PM

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Originally posted by G:
How do those immigrants feel now? Where are they from?



They feel GREAT! They are frum Russia!

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Saturday, March 11, 2017 6:07 PM

6STRINGJOKER


You're an idiot for voting for Hillary J0. If we're just going to be calling each other names based on nothing, than there you go.

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Saturday, March 11, 2017 6:08 PM

6STRINGJOKER


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Originally posted by JO753:
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Originally posted by second:Trump needs to get more self-control right now, this very day, not some months into his term.


Therez sumthing to be sed for letting him screw up.

The bigger he screwz up the faster he gets kicked out and the more damaj he duz to the GoPs.

The problem iz that he iz also damajing the country, so will getting the GoPs out uv power in the next election be worth the damaj?

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I have serious doubts that Trump is going anywhere.

You libtards keep up the drama you're just ensuring that the GOP stays in control. Keep it up. ;)

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Saturday, March 11, 2017 6:23 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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How do those immigrants feel now? Where are they from?-G
They're OK with Trump.

Two are from Mexico, one is from Malaysia, one is from Taiwan, and one is from mainland China plus her white hubby from Idaho. One is an eastern European immigrant, and two are first generation European immigrants.

Now, here's the kicker: Their issue was illegal immigration! Hoo boy! Did I get an earful about the immigration abuses that really piss them off!

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Bad lojik. We dont get to ajust the power setting on the Prezident.- JO
True, but if you had paid any attention at all to the last 20 times that I explained myself ... and clearly you don't think that my posts are worth your attention ... I thought that the items I had identified were far more important than the whole boatload of aggrieved victim-group issues that Hillary was bringing to the table.

So, my issues were:

1) No more free trade agreements I could not see how strapping our national sovereignty on the altar of a secret trade tribunal would benefit. I may disagree with Trump on all kinds of issues, from the environment to health care, but now those disagreements will be settled HERE, in Congress and at the state level according to our political and legal process, not by corporate lawyers guaranteeing transnational profits in some hidden conference room in Singapore.

2) Make nice with Russia. This is for OUR benefit, not theirs. If anyone has been paying any attention at all to our foreign policy, we have been provoking Russia for about the past ten years, and that policy has been bolstered by nonstop anti-Russian propaganda. All that this does in bring nuclear Armageddon closer, cost us a crap-ton of money, and put us on semi-permanent war footing which also costs us much of our civil liberties at home. What's the point?

3) End illegal immigration, which (for the corporations) brings all of the benefits of a foreign slave population without the bother of ever having to leave home. It brings down wages, prevents the USA from ever implementing an effective jobs/ economic policy, and strains all of our infrastructure, services, and resources.

Hillary and her transgender bathroom issues simply wasn't worth her negative war-mongering, pro-globalist history.

Capisce?

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Saturday, March 11, 2017 6:26 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


They feel GREAT! They are frum Russia! Wow, Jo. Talk about making things up. And I gotta ask - what does that have to do with REAL world events?

BTW, since I also know those women, I can tell you that some are from mainland China, others mainland China via Taiwan, and some from Malaysia. They felt that since THEY had come through the system to get here legally, others should have to come the same way. They also had other ideas you probably don't imagine.

If you want, we can discuss the opinions that people who come from a different background hold, and how they are different from your assumptions.




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Saturday, March 11, 2017 6:49 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Jo, I took the trouble to answer your post directly and in full. Next time, please don't strawman or insult.



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Sunday, March 12, 2017 8:42 AM

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In keeping with the theme “Is Trump Nuts?” some people have sensed that Trump is a megalomaniac, along with his other shining qualities.

“Trump’s image is clearly dear to him.”
www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/donald-trump-hiding-in-plai
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Sunday, March 12, 2017 9:16 AM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by second:
In keeping with the theme “Is Trump Nuts?” some people have sensed that Trump is a megalomaniac, along with his other shining qualities.



Priceless image for some reason I am reminded of the giant statue Caligula had made of himself. Every day some of his minions would dress it in the exact same outfit he was wearing for the day. Trump's second term maybe?



Oh god oh god.

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Sunday, March 12, 2017 10:06 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Trump's muslim ban doesn't bother them as immigrants or as free thinking Americans? -G
Apparently not!

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Are you their manager btw? I know when I was an employee I was not always *frank* with my employer.
No. none of them work for me. I tend not to discuss politics with my staff, even if they try a rope me into it.



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Sunday, March 12, 2017 2:47 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Trump's muslim ban doesn't bother them as immigrants or as free thinking Americans? -G

Apparently not! - SIGNY

They're fine with people being banned from this country based on their religion and country of origin? And even if the stated reason is provably, quantifiably inaccurate?- G



Yes. They haven't given me their reasons, but I assume that its because they feel it doesn't affect them because they're not from the subject nations.

However, I once again disagree with your inaccurate characterization of the visa restrictions.



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Monday, March 13, 2017 8:03 AM

JO753

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Sorry if I havent replied with much substans over the last few daze. Bizzy with too much stuff.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, my issues were:

1) No more free trade agreements



Hav you read the TPP? I havent. I hear alot uv scorn, but no detailz on why its bad. I think NAFTA soured everybody on trade dealz for the forseeable future.

A better idea iz to regulate companyz that do international biz, such az requiring them to pay forin workerz at least haf uv wut American equivelents get.

Even tho it meanz higher prisez on sum stuff, it either makes it cheaper to keep jobz here or creates more customerz around the world.

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2) Make nice with Russia. This is for OUR benefit, not theirs.


Soooo... Let Putin do wutever he wants in other countryz?

Duznt sound like such a good stratejy for dealing with a bad guy. Hiz type ALWAYZ goez az far az you allow them. If he believed the US woudnt interfere
he woud restore the Soviet Union 1 nation at a time.

I agree that being on good termz iz better, but it cant be at the expens uv other countryz.

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3) End illegal immigration,


Its not like Hillary wuz calling for the border with Mexico to be dizzolved, so you essentially voted for the construction uv a wall that any competent arkitekt will estimate at 25,000,000,000 American dollarez minimum.

A big differens between Hillary and Donald iz competens for the job. Trump haz zero, Hillary haz decadez worth uv direct experiens.

Say wut you want about her polisyz (az perseived) but we coud hav depended on her to at least know wut the hell the job iz.


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Monday, March 13, 2017 8:10 AM

JO753

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
They feel GREAT! They are frum Russia! Wow, Jo. Talk about making things up. And I gotta ask - what does that have to do with REAL world events?



Wu?! I cant toss in a joke now & then?

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Monday, March 13, 2017 8:37 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Sorry if I havent replied with much substans over the last few daze. Bizzy with too much stuff. - JO

So, my issues were:
1) No more free trade agreements- SIGNY

Hav you read the TPP?

No, and not the TTIP either but that's because they've kept it a secret. However, whistleblowers from inside have LEAKED relevant portions, and the most relevant portion is the part where transnational businesses could take governments to arbitration for interfering with "usual and expected" profits, and that the disputes would be decided by a tribunal of trade lawyers, not in any national court. I even posted an example of what that would look like, as when Phillip Morris, the tobacco company, filed a complaint against Australia under a bilateral trade deal with Hong Kong for its "plain packaging/ graphic health warning" tobacco laws which would have reduced "usual and expected profits" and how this was decided by a private trade tribunal. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/dec/18/australia-wins-
international-legal-battle-with-philip-morris-over-plain-packaging


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I havent. I hear alot uv scorn, but no detailz on why its bad.
Well now you know more than you did before.

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I think NAFTA soured everybody on trade dealz for the forseeable future.
NAFTA has a lot of problems, mostly economic, on BOTH ends of any trade. But the TTP and TTIP added a whole new wrinkle by eliminating a nation's ability to enforce environmental, work, or product safety regulations according to its own laws, by having the decision made by a non-government arbitration panel, with NO governmental oversight or review.

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A better idea iz to regulate companyz that do international biz, such az requiring them to pay forin workerz at least haf uv wut American equivelents get. -JO
How do you enforce that? The only way is by charging a tax-on-entry.

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Even tho it meanz higher prisez on sum stuff, it either makes it cheaper to keep jobz here or creates more customerz around the world. -JO

2) Make nice with Russia. This is for OUR benefit, not theirs.- SIGNY

Soooo... Let Putin do wutever he wants in other countryz? - JO

No. Just end our aggressive actions.

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Duznt sound like such a good stratejy for dealing with a bad guy. Hiz type ALWAYZ goez az far az you allow them. If he believed the US woudnt interfere
he woud restore the Soviet Union 1 nation at a time. - JO

JO .... WHO has killed more people and destroyed more nations in the past 20 years or so? Us? Or Russia?

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I agree that being on good termz iz better, but it cant be at the expens uv other countryz.- JO
If they're so afraid of Russia, how about they look towards their own defense? It's not like they can't form their own alliances.

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3) End illegal immigration,- SIGNY

Its not like Hillary wuz calling for the border with Mexico to be dizzolved, so you essentially voted for the construction uv a wall that any competent arkitekt will estimate at 25,000,000,000 American dollarez minimum.

Also, increasing ICE and Border Patrol staffing, enforcing our immigration laws, improving visa-holder tracking, and ending or reducing H1B-style visa issuances.

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A big differens between Hillary and Donald iz competens for the job. Trump haz zero, Hillary haz decadez worth uv direct experiens. =JP
Yes, she has decades of experience being a Saudi-promoting, war-mongering, corrupt globalist bitch. Who wants "experience" like THAT?

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Say wut you want about her polisyz (az perseived) but we coud hav depended on her to at least know wut the hell the job iz. - JO
But could we have depended in her to REPRESENT OUR INTERESTS? I say "no". In fact, I think she was ready to stab us all in the back to satisfy her REAL support group, which wasn't us. She was ready for the TTP and the TTIP on behalf of the transnationals. Ready for direct war in Syria on behalf of Saudi Arabia, which would have brought us into direct conflict with Russia per the wishes of neocon nut-cases like John McCain and Brennan. Ready to continue coddling illegal immigrants, on behalf of the corporations, and ready to keep pandering to the banks. And ready to keep hemorrhaging health insurance and tax money into big pharma.

Hey. with an agenda like that what's not to like??? [/snark]





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Monday, March 13, 2017 9:21 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Trump's muslim ban doesn't bother them as immigrants or as free thinking Americans? -G
Apparently not!

Reporters laughed at the absurdity of the answer and the absurdity of the overall situation. That said, it’s a pretty good indicator of how much Trump has succeeded in lowering the bar in terms of standards of conduct.
www.vox.com/2017/3/10/14887006/sean-spicer-jobs-report

Trump has already claimed that Barack Obama left him an economy in a "mess"; that Obama is probably behind all the protests and leaks; and that Obama had him wiretapped during the campaign. Now along comes yet another ugly accusation, trivially proved false, which brings up the question: “Is Trump Nuts?” or the companion question: “Are Trump’s people nuts?”
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/03/trump-omb-director-claims-obama
-manipulated-unemployment-figures


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Monday, March 13, 2017 10:02 AM

THGRRI


Man Without an ISIS Plan


On the campaign trail, no foreign policy issue seized Donald Trump more than the fight against the Islamic State. Once president, he signed an executive order giving his generals 30 days to produce a plan to defeat the terrorist group, and Defense Secretary Jim Mattis gave him options on Feb. 27.

Yet if Mr. Trump has decided on a new plan for defeating ISIS, it isn’t obvious. The missions underway in Iraq and Syria were set in motion by President Barack Obama. While they have achieved some tactical successes, they point to a deepening American military involvement in both countries. The question now is whether Mr. Trump will continue, or accelerate, that trend.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/12/opinion/man-without-an-isis-plan.ht
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Monday, March 13, 2017 1:14 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Has no one thought that Trump's tweets might be deliberate red herrings? Heck, look at the reward: For a mere 140 characters, or less, he gets people squawking and losing feathers for days!



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Monday, March 13, 2017 2:09 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Has no one thought that Trump's tweets might be deliberate red herrings? Heck, look at the reward: For a mere 140 characters, or less, he gets people squawking and losing feathers for days!




As president there is a price to pay and he is paying it. Which is why you are stuck defending him so much.

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Monday, March 13, 2017 7:44 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
As president there is a price to pay and he is paying it. Which is why you are stuck defending him so much.



Ain't it the truth?
He acts like a brat ... and I think he's a brat.




... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.

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Monday, March 13, 2017 8:57 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


SECOMD

Hillary was for allowing all but violent criminals to stay indefinitely, and for magically turning illegal immigrants into citizens.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clintons-stance-on-immigration
-is-a-major-break-from-obama/2016/03/10/6388a1f8-e700-11e5-a6f3-21ccdbc5f74e_story.html?utm_term=.0e0ed4897948

Hillary Clinton’s pledge not to deport any illegal immigrants except violent criminals and terrorists represents a major break from President Obama, and it could vastly increase the number of people who would be allowed to stay in the country.

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https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/immigration-reform/
As president, Hillary will:
Introduce comprehensive immigration reform. Hillary will introduce comprehensive immigration reform with a pathway to full and equal citizenship within her first 100 days in office.

And while we'll never know what might have happened under Hillary, under Donald
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http://ktla.com/2017/03/09/illegal-border-crossings-down-40-percent-in
-february-dhs-secretary-says
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Illegal Border Crossings Down 40 Percent in February, CBP Report Says

If you believe ILLEGAL immigration is a problem, Trump might be crazy like a fox.




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Monday, March 13, 2017 10:30 PM

JO753

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:No, and not the TTIP either but that's because they've kept it a secret.


seeekrrriiiittt! https://ustr.gov/ttip

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NAFTA has a lot of problems, mostly economic, on BOTH ends of any trade.


Take away all the partisan noize and you can see the real bad guy.

Big corporationz, especially oil, hav been raping & pilajing forever, long befor NAFTA. Capitalizm haz a dark side - its alwayz trying to get away with sum sort uv cheat. Its like this iz wut they teach in bizness skool! Any agreements the gummit kumz up with, they will find wayz to cheat.

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A better idea iz to regulate companyz that do international biz, such az requiring them to pay forin workerz at least haf uv wut American equivelents get. -JO
How do you enforce that?



The simpl way iz to require all payroll recordz to be submitted along with their inkum tax filingz. Naturally, if they are dealing with forin vendorz, it gets much more complicated.

Wut they wont be able to do iz set up a bogus company thats really owned by them.

Even tho forin vendorz will seem like a way to bypass this at first, not all companyz will be able to get wut they need, so wajez will be forsed up.

Read the Financial and Pay & Work pajez on my site.

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JO .... WHO has killed more people and destroyed more nations in the past 20 years or so? Us? Or Russia?


US. And yet we are still sumhow the good guyz!

A useful way uv looking at it iz that Goverment iz a mob. All goverments. It haz to be the most powerful mob in its own land and it helps if its the most powerful in its rejun. In the case uv the US, Russia and China, that rejun iz the entire planet.

A mob that lets it's rivalz expand or increase their power in any way without at least keeping close attention iz doomed. If therez a way to keep a rival from getting stronger, it iz foolish to not uze it.

Its a very simplistic perspectiv, but it haz to be incorporated into any stratejy or plan, even wen you are co-operating with a rival.

Obviously, the ultimate stratejy iz to turn your rivalz into your frendz.

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If they're so afraid of Russia, how about they look towards their own defense? It's not like they can't form their own alliances.


Seriously bad plan frum the US perspectiv. Seriously bad for the entire world. The only beneficiaryz woud be the armz manufacturerz.

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Also, increasing ICE and Border Patrol staffing, enforcing our immigration laws, improving visa-holder tracking, and ending or reducing H1B-style visa issuances.


The immigration system iz krap. Total krap. The GoPs blocked Obama frum fixing it and you want to blame Hillary?

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Yes, she has decades of experience being a Saudi-promoting, war-mongering, corrupt globalist bitch. Who wants "experience" like THAT?


You like to pin everything bad that you can think uv on Hillary and uze it az an excuse for voting for Trump. You dont seem to hav a good handl on how important the job uv Prezident iz and how rediculously unqualified he iz for it.

Dont forget the title uv this topic and that the ansr iz YES!


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Monday, March 13, 2017 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by JO753:

US. And yet we are still sumhow the good guyz!

Trump is destroying like crazy any global moral high ground the US had left.

Let’s just look at what happened on Monday (March 13). More details are at https://qz.com/931421

1) Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner parked his ownership stake in 666 Fifth Avenue—a luxury building in Manhattan—in a trust managed by his mother, Seryl Beth Kushner. That trust could soon be $400 million richer, Bloomberg reported on Monday, thanks to what’s been called a “sweetheart deal” with Chinese Communist Party-linked firm Anbang Insurance Group, that excuses a mountain of debt while valuing the stake aggressively. The deal also leaves the impression that the Kushners are profiting from their proximity to the White House, and raises questions about what the Trump administration may owe Anbang, and potentially the Communist Party, in return.

2) That’s not all. Foreign Policy reported on March 13 that the White House plans to reduce by 50% its contributions to the United Nations, pulling billions of dollars away from funding of global endeavors ranging from peacekeeping to vaccinations to caring for refugees. And a US government agency said the same day that a Trump-backed bill to replace his predecessor’s landmark health care act would leave 24 million uninsured, while raising premiums by 24%.

3) Meanwhile, asked for Trump’s reaction to US congressman Steve King’s recent racist remarks, White House press secretary Sean Spicer said he’d have to “get back to” reporters after checking with the president—leaving the impression that Trump doesn’t denounce them outright.

4) And Canada’s “Girl Guides,” the female scouting group, said it would suspend all field trips to the US, out of concern that some members might be stopped by US immigration, thanks to Trump's not sanely worded executive order.

Today’s events are just par for the course. But they’re a clear reminder of just how much things have changed in America in less than two months.
https://qz.com/931421

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Tuesday, March 14, 2017 1:07 AM

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Hillary was for allowing all but violent criminals to stay indefinitely, and for magically turning illegal immigrants into citizens.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clintons-stance-on-immigration
-is-a-major-break-from-obama/2016/03/10/6388a1f8-e700-11e5-a6f3-21ccdbc5f74e_story.html?utm_term=.0e0ed4897948

Hillary Clinton’s pledge not to deport any illegal immigrants except violent criminals and terrorists represents a major break from President Obama, and it could vastly increase the number of people who would be allowed to stay in the country.

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https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/immigration-reform/
As president, Hillary will:
Introduce comprehensive immigration reform. Hillary will introduce comprehensive immigration reform with a pathway to full and equal citizenship within her first 100 days in office.

And while we'll never know what might have happened under Hillary, under Donald
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http://ktla.com/2017/03/09/illegal-border-crossings-down-40-percent-in
-february-dhs-secretary-says
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Illegal Border Crossings Down 40 Percent in February, CBP Report Says

If you believe ILLEGAL immigration is a problem, Trump might be crazy like a fox.




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?


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Tuesday, March 14, 2017 1:35 AM

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It woud take a lot uv illegal immigrants with bad intentionz many yirz to do the damaj Putin can do in a few fone callz.

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Tuesday, March 14, 2017 2:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
It woud take a lot uv illegal immigrants with bad intentionz many yirz to do the damaj Putin can do in a few fone callz.



If that's true, why hasn't he done it already?

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Tuesday, March 14, 2017 5:00 AM

JO753

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How do you know he haznt?

Youv herd wuts going on at the State Department I assume. Then therez the firing uv Preet Barara with odd serkumstansez.

I dont think Putin haz needed to make any callz yet, sins Trump took over anyway. Trump haz hiz instructionz. But there will be more.

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Tuesday, March 14, 2017 5:26 AM

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lol wow. That's a scary world you live in there J0.

When exactly did this shift happen? I notice all of the sudden it's progressive to believe in conspiracy theories. (at least ones that are against their side).


Almost 20 years ago I was telling my friends that the government had the capability to record every one of our phone conversations. I didn't say that they were listening to them, because that would be impossible, but they could store them to listen to later if they ever decided they had a reason to want to. They called me crazy. That was just one of many things that have since been proven to actually be happening, and nobody really cares.



Hey. Maybe you're absolutely right. I'm afraid if you are than it's already too late though. If Trump is that compromised where he's got Putin's hand that deep up his ass than there are many others out there that are also compromised by Russian interests and removing Trump isn't going to change anything.

I suggest that if that happens, and you're proven to be correct, that you keep investigating and don't back down for a second when the Left and the MSM throws their ticker tape parade and forgets all about it.

And don't only look at Republicans. I'm sure if this is actually happening there are quite a few Democratic leaders that are compromised as well.

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Tuesday, March 14, 2017 7:23 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

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If you believe ILLEGAL immigration is a problem, Trump might be crazy like a fox.

If illegal aliens will be deported, Trump needs a plan that makes sense and money from Congress to fuel his plan.

But I have seen no instances where Trump recognized sensible plans or budgets. For example: Trump endorsed and promoted a health insurance plan that does none of the things he said it ought to do. Is Trump crazy or just incompetent? He had plenty of warning, but Trump paid no attention to what his own staff was telling him, which is NOT "crazy like a fox". www.politico.com/story/2017/03/obamacare-uninsured-white-house-236019 The explanations coming from the White House are asinine about CBO's and Office of Management and Budget's estimates.

I know that even capable Presidents do not do most of the planning and budgeting themselves, but Trump proves every workday how he misunderstands the difference between work done well and done poorly. VP Pence can tell the difference, but he is not President so he can’t until Trump goes to the lunatic asylum.


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Tuesday, March 14, 2017 8:32 AM

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Originally posted by G:
. . . obviously his becoming president was proof there were plenty of *cough* uninformed people in the world ready to believe a compulsive liar

Trump asked Monday for more time to submit evidence to the House Intelligence Committee to back up his claim that President Barack Obama had wiretapped him in the waning days of last year’s presidential campaign.

Jack Langer, the House committee’s spokesman, said the panel had agreed to extend its Monday deadline but asked that whatever evidence Trump had be submitted before the committee’s first open hearing on Russian election meddling, now set for next Monday.
www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/congress/article138313303
.html


Trump lodged the allegations against Obama in a series of tweets March 4. “Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my ‘wires tapped’ in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is Mc-Carthyism!” and "How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!"

White House spokesman Sean Spicer declined Monday to comment on when evidence would be sent to the House committee. He said, however, that his “understanding is that they will” submit evidence.

Spicer also said that Trump had not meant wiretapping literally in his tweet. Spicer said Trump was referring to surveillance in general.

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In a remarkable tweet Monday by the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, Adam Schiff of California: “We must accept possibility that Trump does not know fact from fiction, right from wrong. That wild claims are not strategic, but worse.” Schiff is not a partisan hothead, so his discussion of the sitting president was that much more striking.
https://twitter.com/repadamschiff/status/838769380104224769

“The implications are quite extraordinary,” Schiff said in a follow-up interview with NPR. In a crisis, he asked, “how much credibility will the president have left to persuade the country of what has happened, what needs to be done? How much credibility will he have with our allies to get them to back us up? So these have real-world repercussions. ... It’s the president losing the credibility of the office.”
www.npr.org/2017/03/09/519382847/rep-adam-schiff-on-trumps-wiretapping
-claims-and-russia


There is some hope, however scant, of a presidential learning curve. But trust once squandered is not easily, if ever, regained. And without it any president will remain severely hobbled.

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Tuesday, March 14, 2017 9:14 AM

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Anybody else here think we're missing the bigger picture?

I'm not really comfortable with all of these people going to their twitter accounts. It's one thing when celebs do it, but am I the only one that's not very comfortable with public officials paid for with our tax dollars doing it?

I very much include Trump in there too.

They're all acting like little kids.

It's a strange new world we're living in today. Buckle up... It's only going to get stranger.

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Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Anybody else here think we're missing the bigger picture?

I'm not really comfortable with all of these people going to their twitter accounts. It's one thing when celebs do it, but am I the only one that's not very comfortable with public officials paid for with our tax dollars doing it?

I very much include Trump in there too.

They're all acting like little kids.

It's a strange new world we're living in today. Buckle up... It's only going to get stranger.

When Obama tweeted, he made sense. https://twitter.com/potus44

When Trump tweets, just now, he does not make sense. The explanation of why Trump's tweet is crazy is longer than the tweet, but that is how it is. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/841665325682827265

Trump tweeted only "JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!" (for a crazyman Trump is really articulate) and a picture of the liberal media reporting job figures. I can remember last month when Trump called down hellfire on the liberal media for its LIES, LIES, LIES! about employment. Trump claimed 42% were jobless. What changed in the real world to change what Trump is saying? Nothing, job figures are about the same as under Obama. What changed inside Trump's head? Everything, because Trump wants all the news to either praise him or else he will attack it as false. He's crazy.

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Tuesday, March 14, 2017 1:02 PM

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I'm not talking Trump vs Obama on tweets, and I'm not even going to get sucked into that argument.

I don't think any of them should be tweeting.

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Tuesday, March 14, 2017 5:17 PM

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
I'm not talking Trump vs Obama on tweets, and I'm not even going to get sucked into that argument.

I don't think any of them should be tweeting.

How about a longer story where Presidents talk to each other over lunch? Obama still lives in DC, unlike all other Presidents before him. They all left town forever, but Obama is renting a mansion near Trump. If Trump wants to talk face-to-face, Obama would be there in a minute since he spends his idle days as an unemployed book writer living off the advance payment from publisher Penguin Random House.
www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/trump-cant-stop-himself

A few days after President John F. Kennedy made a calamitous early misstep—a carelessly planned attempt to invade Cuba and overthrow Fidel Castro, in April, 1961—he invited Dwight D. Eisenhower, his predecessor as President, for lunch. They met at Camp David, in Maryland’s Catoctin Mountains, close to Eisenhower’s Gettysburg farm. Outside the complex’s Aspen Cottage, Kennedy said, “No one knows how tough this job is until after he has been in it for a few months.” Eisenhower replied, “Mr. President, if you will forgive me, I think I mentioned that to you three months ago,” to which Kennedy said, “I certainly have learned a lot since then.”

This purported exchange, repeated in many histories of the time, cannot be found in Ike’s notes on the meeting, but it sounds authentic, given what we know of each man. Kennedy was certainly rattled enough by his early failure to look for advice from the general who’d commanded the Allied Expeditionary Force. Although Kennedy hired a number of smart, if not necessarily wise, advisers, he knew what he didn’t know. He was a serious reader and student of history. Ike and J.F.K. were never particularly friendly, but they both respected the office they’d held, and Eisenhower, a traditional patriot, simply wanted Kennedy to succeed. At Camp David, he offered some enduring Ike-like advice: after urging Kennedy to support, “at least morally and politically,” policies to keep Communist influence out of the Western Hemisphere, he warned, according to his notes, that “the American people would never approve direct military intervention, by their own forces, except under provocations against us so clear and so serious that everybody would understand the need for the move.”

That idea of Presidential understanding and coöperation, and of the high stakes they involve—the unexpressed faith that America’s leaders, past and present, must put the nation’s welfare first—is among the serious casualties of the new Presidency of the former reality-TV star and real-estate brander Donald J. Trump. His burst of tweets on March 4th about his predecessor, Barack Obama—sent between 6:35 and 7:02 a.m. E.S.T., and arriving like an early-morning gust of foul wind—is unforgettable for the glimpse it gave of the disturbances within Trump’s mind.

Continues at www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/trump-cant-stop-himself

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Tuesday, March 14, 2017 6:00 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



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Originally posted by 1kiki:

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If you believe ILLEGAL immigration is a problem, Trump might be crazy like a fox.

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Originally posted by second:
If illegal aliens will be deported, Trump needs a plan that makes sense and money from Congress to fuel his plan.

It doesn't seem to take money - just a few high-profile verbal threats to build a wall and make Mexico pay, and a few high-profile raids and deportations - and suddenly, the upside of entering the US illegally doesn't look as big as the downside.




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Tuesday, March 14, 2017 6:05 PM

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So you have cut down on illegals - check. What's it going to be like when the only way to get a vegetable or a piece of fruit is to pick yourself?
International agribusiness gets diminished? Slave labor goes bye-bye? Those are good things. Don't you agree?




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Tuesday, March 14, 2017 6:17 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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how much credibility will the president have left to persuade the country of what has happened
I'd say a lot. Trump campaigned on illegal immigration, and he's gotten good results. Trump campaigned on repealing Obamacare, and it's in the works. Trump campaigned that there was no such thing as global warming, and Scott Pruitt now heads the EPA. And so on. Whether or not you agree with what he's doing, Trump's actions speak far louder than words to the people of the country. Besides, they've been ignoring the democrats and the chattering class for a while, and both lost any remaining semblance of credibility during the last election, with Hillary as a candidate, and her media-predicted cruise to victory.



How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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'Credibility' iz completely meaningless in the Fox universe.

We are in danjer uv learning the hard way wut happenz wen the Nation'z polisyz colide with reality.

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Tuesday, March 14, 2017 10:55 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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So you have cut down on illegals - check. What's it going to be like when the only way to get a vegetable or a piece of fruit is to pick yourself?
International agribusiness gets diminished? Slave labor goes bye-bye? Those are good things. Don't you agree?

I recall that legally laboring in Mexico is far worse than illegally laboring in the USA. That's hard to believe, except if you've been to Mexico to a working ranch where cows and cowboys are treated equally brutally by the ruling decedents of the Conquistadors. Trump is not throwing Mexicans out of the USA because he wants to help them return to their rich and fulfilling lives back in Mexico. Trump has a different goal where citizens of the USA take the jobs that the illegals were doing.

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Tuesday, March 14, 2017 10:56 PM

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We are in danjer uv learning the hard way wut happenz wen the Nation'z polisyz colide with reality.
We should have learned that when bin Laden went from 'dead or alive!' to less than an afterthought, in 8 months. When there were no WMDs to be found. When we bombed countries for humanitarian reasons. When Gitmo wasn't closed. When Snowden told us what our government was doing - to us.

Are you saying all the bullshit, lies, and propaganda were OK up until now? But that now, NOW! it's a problem?




Originally posted by G:
I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago.

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Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:00 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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I recall that legally laboring in Mexico is far worse than illegally laboring in the USA.
Cite?
And I have to ask - do you think the US is responsible for the internal policies of Mexico, which is a democracy?




Originally posted by G:
I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago.

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Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:05 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

Besides, they've been ignoring the democrats and the chattering class for a while, and both lost any remaining semblance of credibility during the last election, with Hillary as a candidate, and her media-predicted cruise to victory.



How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

You still harping on that same old story? What's his name, Bernie, lost by millions of votes in the Democratic primary. In the general election he would have looked like a Commie and been annihilated, same as George McGovern was by Nixon, even after Nixon's "secret" plan to win the Vietnam War had achieved nothing for four years. And Watergate.

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Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:13 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

I recall that legally laboring in Mexico is far worse than illegally laboring in the USA.
Cite?
And I have to ask - do you think the US is responsible for the internal policies of Mexico, which is a democracy?




Originally posted by G:
I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago.

Cite my ass. How many times has the USA invaded Mexico? Several. How much land did the USA rob from Mexico? Millions of square miles, you know, all of Texas, California, New Mexico. Having that land part of Mexico would have made Mexico a much different country. The USA violently turned Mexico into what it is today with the self-interested decedents of the Conquistadors running it for their personal benefit. I will tie that into the topic "Is Trump Nuts?" by noting it is nuts to think just because the old wars with Mexico are over, the ugly consequences of losing wars are also over for living Mexicans who never left their country even once for work, legal or illegal, in the USA. (I thank the God of War it's me receiving gas royalty checks rather than a jet setter from Madrid. Remember the Alamo!)

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Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:31 PM

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No, and not the TTIP either but that's because they've kept it a secret. - SIGNY

seeekrrriiiittt! https://ustr.gov/ttip= JO



The link that you provided shows
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a summary of U.S. objectives, negotiating round and public forum information, T-TIP blog posts, facts sheets, reports, and press releases.
But no actual. yanno, copies available for analysis. When the TTIP and TTP were being negotiated...
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The European Commission is making the secret Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) trade deal even more secret, introducing a new rule that means politicians can only view the text in a secure 'reading room' in Brussels. ...

It's not just TTIP that is taking such extreme measures. The US-Asia equivalent, the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), has a similar super-secure reading room.

Robert Smith, host of the Planet Money podcast on NPR, said: "In Washington DC they love secrecy, but even by Washington standards this amazed me. In the basement of the US capitol, there is a room, a locked soundproof room, and the only people allowed in this room are US senators, and they can't bring their assistants, they can't bring their phones, they can't even take notes in there. Inside this room is not the codes for our nuclear weapons, it's not CIA files, it's not the documents that tell us an alien landed in Roswell. No, in this room is the text of a trade deal."



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ttip-controversy-secret
-trade-deal-can-only-be-read-secure-in-reading-room-in-brussels-10456206.html


Now, you have to realize that a LOT of people had free access to the provisions of both the TTP and the TTIP ...
transnational manufacturers
international banks
tech companies, agrobusiness, and pharma with vested interest in intellectual property

The people who were LEFT OUT? CONGRESSMEN AND MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT, LABOR UNIONS, ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS etc.

YES, IT WAS A SECRET despite your snide comment.

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NAFTA has a lot of problems, mostly economic, on BOTH ends of any trade.- SIGNY

Take away all the partisan noize and you can see the real bad guy. Big corporationz, especially oil, hav been raping & pilajing forever, long befor NAFTA. Capitalizm haz a dark side - its alwayz trying to get away with sum sort uv cheat. Its like this iz wut they teach in bizness skool!

Then why make it easier for them to screw you over?

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A better idea iz to regulate companyz that do international biz, such az requiring them to pay forin workerz at least haf uv wut American equivelents get. -JO

How do you enforce that? - SIGNY

The simpl way iz to require all payroll recordz to be submitted along with their inkum tax filingz. Naturally, if they are dealing with forin vendorz, it gets much more complicated.- JO

Actually, it gets impossible. The vendors in this market (Walmart, The Gap, etc) simply "subcontract" to another company in another nation, and let THEM do the exploiting. It's called "the gig economy", haven't you heard? Everyone is paid piecework.

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JO .... WHO has killed more people and destroyed more nations in the past 20 years or so? Us? Or Russia? - SIGNY

US. And yet we are still sumhow the good guyz! - JO-

Good lord, how is that? Because our intentions are pure?

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A useful way uv looking at it iz that Goverment iz a mob. All goverments. It haz to be the most powerful mob in its own land and it helps if its the most powerful in its rejun. In the case uv the US, Russia and China, that rejun iz the entire planet.

A mob that lets it's rivalz expand or increase their power in any way without at least keeping close attention iz doomed. If therez a way to keep a rival from getting stronger, it iz foolish to not uze it. - JO

Why is it in OUR interests to keep sway over an entire planet? What do YOU get out of it?

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If they're so afraid of Russia, how about they look towards their own defense? It's not like they can't form their own alliances.- SIGNY

Seriously bad plan frum the US perspectiv. Seriously bad for the entire world. The only beneficiaryz woud be the armz manufacturerz. - JO

At least WE won't go broke trying to arm all of our "friends"!

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Also, increasing ICE and Border Patrol staffing, enforcing our immigration laws, improving visa-holder tracking, and ending or reducing H1B-style visa issuances.- SIGNY

The immigration system iz krap. Total krap. The GoPs blocked Obama frum fixing it and you want to blame Hillary? - JO

What was Obama's "fix"? Let everyone in? Legalize everyone?

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Yes, she has decades of experience being a Saudi-promoting, war-mongering, corrupt globalist bitch. Who wants "experience" like THAT? - SIGNY

You like to pin everything bad that you can think uv on Hillary and uze it az an excuse for voting for Trump. You dont seem to hav a good handl on how important the job uv Prezident iz and how rediculously unqualified he iz for it. - JO

No, I only pin the bad Hillary things on Hillary. As you may recall, I've had a lot of criticism of Obama. And you may not have been around for it, but I had plenty of scathing things to say about Bush, too.

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Dont forget the title uv this topic and that the ansr iz YES!- JO
Trump is being just like I said he would be: A LOOSE CANNON.

Well, we need a loose cannon. Trump may be a very flawed President, but still better than the alternative, which is a globalist/ deep state victory.

What are our interests? More war? Bigger more powerful banks? A flood of immigrants (which we created ourselves by destroying so many nations)? Universal control of the economy, environmental regulations and labor law by a secret group of monopolists?

What's your goal here, JO? What are you aiming at?



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Wednesday, March 15, 2017 12:07 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Cite my ass.
So, no cite. OK. Here's a listing of all of Mexico's 27 wars (not counting the 'war on drugs'), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Mexico including an 8 year war by Spain to reconquer Mexico, and only two wars that involved the US.
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How much land did the USA rob from Mexico?
I need to point out that the Republic of Texas - which was an entirely independent country not affiliated with the US government at the time, took itself out of Mexico's hands of its own accord. Mexico lost Texas to The Republic of Texas. That happened because at the time, Mexico had very few people settling the area (that was also true of Alta California) and wasn't able to defend the area against the influx of US settlers.
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The USA violently turned Mexico into what it is today with the self-interested decedents of the Conquistadors running it for their personal benefit.
And, as I see, neither of the US wars involved the US controlling Mexico proper as a subjugated land, or installing governments, or paying tribute.

And for some reason, a Hispanic coworker likes to blame Mexico's problems on the Hapsburgs - but I don't see it. https://history.state.gov/milestones/1861-1865/french-intervention

Anyway, Mexico is still a democracy, and the people still have the choice of voting for a different government if the one they have doesn't suit them. That really is up to them.




Originally posted by G:
I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago.

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Wednesday, March 15, 2017 1:56 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Besides, they've been ignoring the democrats and the chattering class for a while, and both lost any remaining semblance of credibility during the last election, with Hillary as a candidate, and her media-predicted cruise to victory.

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Originally posted by second:
You still harping on that same old story? What's his name, Bernie, lost by millions of votes in the Democratic primary. In the general election he would have looked like a Commie and been annihilated, same as George McGovern was by Nixon, even after Nixon's "secret" plan to win the Vietnam War had achieved nothing for four years. And Watergate.




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Trump didn't win, Clinton lost. I'm reposting these - yanno - facts, because you ignored them the first time around. And I put an especially relevant quote in larger font to help you focus on the salient point.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

CBS News exit polls suggest Trump’s win was in large part a repudiation of Hillary Clinton by a substantial number of white voters.
There are also indications that Clinton’s gender was a factor in the outcome.
Among white voters, 57 percent said Trump was not honest and trustworthy while fully 70 percent said the same of Clinton.
In the exit polls, voters were asked whether they strongly favored their candidate, liked their candidate but with reservations, or if they voted because they disliked the other candidate. While 21 percent of Clinton voters said they disliked the other candidates, more – 28 percent – of Trump voters reported that. There appears to have been more people voting against Clinton than against Trump.
It is difficult to say with any certainty, but with razor thin margins in some states, a small number of voters who might have supported Clinton (who voted for either Johnson or Stein) could have altered outcomes in some states.
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CBS News Exit Polls: How Donald Trump won the U.S. presidency

by Stanley Feldman and Melissa Herrmann

Many observers thought this presidential election would be decided by Donald Trump’s polarizing rhetoric, his history of behavior toward women and his questionable qualifications for the office.

Instead, CBS News exit polls suggest Trump’s win was in large part a repudiation of Hillary Clinton by a substantial number of white voters. While Clinton did win big majorities of minority voters, she did not get the level of support from those groups that she needed to overcome her deficit among white voters.

There are also indications that Clinton’s gender was a factor in the outcome. The gender gap was substantial. Trump beat Clinton by 53 percent to 41 percent among men while Clinton won among women by 54 percent to 42 percent. Four years ago, President Obama won 45 percent of men’s votes and Mitt Romney won 44 percent of women’s votes.

More telling is the gender breakdown among white voters: Trump beat Clinton among white women 53 percent to 43 percent. This was close to Romney’s margin in 2012. While Mr. Obama won 35 percent of white, male voters in 2012, Clinton lost to Trump among this group by 63 percent to 31 percent.

As expected, Trump did best among white voters without a college degree, beating Clinton by the enormous margin of 72 percent to 23 percent. Trump also won among white, non-college women 62 to 34 percent and white college-educated men, 54 to 39 percent. Among white voters, Clinton only won among women with a college degree by a 51 to 45 percent margin. Interestingly, among white voters, there is no evidence in the exit poll that income affected the likelihood that they supported Trump.

Clinton needed extremely strong support from African-American voters to try to offset Trump’s margin among whites. She did win 88 percent of the black vote to just 8 percent for Trump. However, this was significantly lower than the 93 percent of black voters Mr. Obama won four years ago. The falloff in her share of the black vote was entirely due to black men. Clinton won among black women by a 93 percent to 4 percent margin. Among black men she won by 80 percent to 13 percent.

Many political observers thought a significant number of Republicans would either vote for Clinton, one of the third party candidates, or stay home rather than casting their votes for Trump. According to the exit polls, Republicans stayed loyal to their presidential candidate. Some 89 percent of self-described Republicans voted for Trump; 91 percent of white Republicans did. In contrast, only 84 percent of white Democrats voted for Clinton. She did win 86 percent of white Democratic women, but only 81 percent of white, Democratic men voted for her.

Surprisingly, given all of the attention to Trump’s attitudes and behavior toward women, he did virtually as well among white, Republican women (91 percent support) as he did among white, Republican men (92 percent). Clinton was more competitive among white independent women than men, losing to Trump by a 49 to 41 percent margin among independent women and by 57 to 31 percent among independent men.

The Candidates’ Personal Characteristics

These were not likable candidates who instilled a great deal of confidence in their supporters. Many voters supported one of these candidates despite significant misgivings.

The majority of voters had unfavorable impressions of both. Twelve percent of Clinton voters and 20 percent of Trump voters had an unfavorable opinion of the candidate for whom they opted. So despite their misgivings about the candidates, something still compelled them to support one of them.

Both candidates were seen as not being honest or trustworthy by more than 6 out of 10 voters. However, among white voters, 57 percent said Trump was not honest and trustworthy while fully 70 percent said the same of Clinton. Almost 3 in 10 white voters said neither candidate was honest and trustworthy. Among this group, Trump won 52 percent to Clinton’s 32 percent. 13 percent of these voters supported one of the third party candidates.

Voters in the exit polls were asked if each of the candidates was qualified to serve as president. Almost half thought Clinton was not qualified but only 5 percent of her voters thought that. Even more voters, 6 out of 10, thought Trump was not qualified to be president. Almost a quarter of Trump voters gave him their support despite saying he was not qualified.

Voters were also asked whether each candidate has the temperament to serve effectively as president. By a slim margin, 55 percent to 43 percent, voters said Clinton did have the right temperament. Sixty-three percent said Trump did not have the temperament to be president. Just over half of all white voters said both candidates did not have the right temperament. While very few of Clinton’s voters questioned her temperament, 1 in 4 Trump voters backed him while saying he did not have the temperament to be president.

Voters were asked how they would feel if Clinton were elected president and 53 percent said they would be concerned or scared. Similarly, if Trump were elected president, 58 percent said they would be concerned or scared. Among Clinton voters, 10 percent would be concerned or scared if Clinton were elected and 95 percent would be concerned scared about a Trump presidency. Interestingly, while 94 percent of Trump voters would be concerned or scared about Clinton being elected, 17 percent said they would be concerned about a President Trump.

If many people had serious doubts about both candidates, is there a way to determine how they distinguished between Clinton and Trump? In the exit polls, voters were asked whether they strongly favored their candidate, liked their candidate but with reservations, or if they voted because they disliked the other candidate. While 21 percent of Clinton voters said they disliked the other candidates, more – 28 percent – of Trump voters reported that. There appears to have been more people voting against Clinton than against Trump.

A Verdict on Major Policy Issues?

Can we say Trump did better than expected in the election because a majority of voters supported his most powerfully articulated policy positions? Exit poll voters were asked whether most illegal immigrants working in the U.S. should be offered a chance to apply for legal status or deported to the country they came from. Fully 7 of 10 voters said they should be allowed to apply for legal status. Similarly, more people opposed building a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico than supported it. And virtually as many voters (38 percent) said trade with other countries creates more U.S. jobs as said it takes away jobs (42 percent).

How did Trump win when many of his core positions were so unpopular? Some people voted for him regardless of that. Among those who favored giving illegal immigrants a chance to apply for legal status, one in three voted for Trump. Thirty-five percent of people who said international trade creates jobs voted for Trump. And even 27 percent of white voters who said they want the next president to change to more liberal policies voted for Trump.

One issue that may have motivated some white voters is the ongoing national debate over the way police treat African-Americans. The exit poll asked voters whether they think the country’s criminal justice system treats all people fairly or treats blacks unfairly. Half of white voters said blacks are treated fairly while 41 percent say they are treated unfairly. Among the first group, 8 in 10 voted for Trump. Sixty-five percent who said blacks are treated unfairly voted for Clinton.

Did Johnson and Stein Affect the Outcome?

With so many tightly contested races, the votes cast for candidates such as Gary Johnson and Jill Stein may have impacted the overall results. The exit polling asked voters they would have cast ballots for if there were only two candidates (Clinton and Trump). A quarter of Johnson voters said Clinton, 15 percent said Trump, and 55 percent said they would not have voted. Numbers were similar for Stein voters, with about a quarter saying they would have chosen Clinton, 14 percent saying Trump, and 61 percent saying they would not have voted. It is difficult to say with any certainty, but with razor thin margins in some states, a small number of voters who might have supported Clinton could have altered outcomes in some states.

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Stanley Feldman is professor of political science at Stony Brook University; Melissa Herrmann is president of SSRS



In addition, you need to see the interesting graph here showing how many democrats stayed home. I can't imagine how anyone could have done worse.:

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/09/graph-shows-hillary-clinton-los
t-democrats-vote.html





Originally posted by G:
I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago.

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Wednesday, March 15, 2017 2:02 AM

6STRINGJOKER


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Originally posted by second:
How much land did the USA rob from Mexico? Millions of square miles, you know, all of Texas, California, New Mexico. Having that land part of Mexico would have made Mexico a much different country.



It definitely would have made the US a much different place. There almost never would have been a Democratic president without those 55 electoral votes from California.

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Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:37 AM

JO753

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We are in danjer uv learning the hard way wut happenz wen the Nation'z polisyz colide with reality.
We should have learned that when bin Laden went from 'dead or alive!' to less than an afterthought, in 8 months. When there were no WMDs to be found. When we bombed countries for humanitarian reasons. When Gitmo wasn't closed. When Snowden told us what our government was doing - to us.

Are you saying all the bullshit, lies, and propaganda were OK up until now? But that now, NOW! it's a problem?



Thats your rebut to support your inditement uv the Demz credibility?

Sorry, dood. You dont get to blame much uv anything on the Demz or Obama after the GoPS wajed war agenst them for 9 yirz. The Bin Laden part iz especially erronius, sins Obama subtracted hiz ass!

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