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Is Trump Nuts?

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Monday, March 20, 2017 5:46 AM

6STRINGJOKER


If Trump is so obviously guilty of Russian connections, why hasn't anything happened to him yet? 90% of the MSM and half the country is against him and all there are is allegations.

Ya'all are playing connect-the-dots in a snowglobe.

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Monday, March 20, 2017 7:16 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
If Trump is so obviously guilty of Russian connections, why hasn't anything happened to him yet? 90% of the MSM and half the country is against him and all there are is allegations.

Ya'all are playing connect-the-dots in a snowglobe.

Trump is wise enough to keep his income tax returns secret. The complete returns, not just a page, would show which Russians were paying him for what. You know who else could keep a secret? Al Capone, the gangster, kept his income tax returns secret. The FBI could not put Capone on trial for murder or racketeering, but they did get him on tax evasion when they subpoenaed his returns.

“President Herbert Hoover ordered the federal government to step up its efforts to get Capone on income-tax evasion. The Supreme Court had ruled in 1927 that income gained on illegal activities was taxable, which gave the government a strong case for prosecuting Capone.” If that subpoena comes for Trump’s tax returns, it’s all over except for the shouting, but the FBI will not do it because Trump is now Herbert Hoover in charge of the FBI. It will have to be Congress and why would Congressional Republicans do that to another Republican? They don’t really want to know what Trump did.

“The press followed Capone’s every move avidly, and he was able to gain public sympathy with his gregarious and generous personality. Some even considered him a kind of Robin Hood figure, or as anti-Prohibition resentment grew, a dissident who worked on the side of the people.” Sounds like Trump.

“Although the government had solid evidence against him, Capone remained confident that he would get off with a minimal sentence and struck a plea bargain in return for a two-and-a-half year sentence. When the judge in the case declared that he would not honor the agreement, Capone quickly withdrew his guilty plea, and the case went to trial. During the trial Capone used the best weapon in his arsenal: bribery and intimidation. But at the last moment, the judge switched to an entirely new jury. Capone was found guilty and sent to prison for 11 years.” I know a President can bribe and intimidate. I’m not sure a Republican Congress wants that to happen to themselves just to convict a Republican President. They’d have to be crazy to bring that trouble upon themselves.

www.history.com/topics/al-capone

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Monday, March 20, 2017 7:48 AM

JO753

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:...why hasn't anything happened to him yet?


Great Q.

Ordinary ansr:

The FBI et al are getting all their ducks in a row. Makes sens to leav az few loos endz az possible wen youre tokking about a Russian stab at the hart uv our democrasy. Round up everybody at the same time without warning.

Scary ansrz:

1. The US goobermint iz in on it. Its all a show. Trump iz an actor playing a part for them.

2. Putin haz dirt on Comey and other major playerz in the intel community, so there will be no case agenst Trump.

3. Putin haz made a credible thret uv sum kind agenst the country - nuclear war, dirty bomz hidden in Washington and major sityz, dirty cloud attack from off shore, etc etc etc.

4. Alien or lizard overlordz.

https://howstupidarewe.blog/2017/03/13/its-big-it-stinks/

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Monday, March 20, 2017 8:18 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:...why hasn't anything happened to him yet?


Great Q.

Ordinary ansr:

The FBI et al are getting all their ducks in a row. Makes sens to leav az few loos endz az possible wen youre tokking about a Russian stab at the hart uv our democrasy. Round uv everybody at the same time without warning.

Scary ansrz:

1. The US goobermint iz in on it. Its all a show. Trump iz an actor playing a part for them.

2. Putin haz dirt on Comey and other major playerz in the intel community, so there will be no case agenst Trump.

3. Putin haz made a credible thret uv sum kind agenst the country - nuclear war, dirty bomz hidden in Washington and major sityz, dirty cloud attack from off shore, etc etc etc.

4. Alien or lizard overlordz.

https://howstupidarewe.blog/2017/03/13/its-big-it-stinks/

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I'm going to go with Alien Overlords. Anything is possible, and I give that just as much possibility as any of the others. At least that one would be exciting.

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Monday, March 20, 2017 8:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

I'm going to go with Alien Overlords. Anything is possible, and I give that just as much possibility as any of the others. At least that one would be exciting.

On Saturday Trump took to Twitter to confront what he characterized as media reports which reported that his summit with Merkel had gone badly.

He also took the opportunity to once again push home the incorrect assertion that NATO signatory countries like Germany owe "vast sums" and that the US must be "paid" for its contribution.

In the politest possible bureaucratic language, Germany's defense minister called Trump crazy or verrückt, wahnsinnig, übergeschnappt. Germans have a lot of words for crazy.

www.cnn.com/2017/03/20/politics/nato-commitment-germany-reacts-trump/i
ndex.html




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Monday, March 20, 2017 10:03 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Merkel's gone in October anyhow. No big deal.

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Monday, March 20, 2017 10:49 AM

THGRRI

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Your quote of me is fake SIG.- THUGR
We both know you're a LIAR.

And since YOUR POST was up for a fair bit of time, I'll bet that there are at least a few other people here who know the same.




You don't even know what it is I am talking about. In this case, it's the way you quoted me.

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SIG says I'm a deep state troll.


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Monday, March 20, 2017 11:11 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

You don't even know what it is I am talking about. In this case, it's the way you quoted me.= THUGR


Oh, it's the WAY I quote you?

You mean, the way I repeated exactly what you posted, word for word?

Quoting a whole paragraph so that I couldn't be accused of taking you out of context?

And then responding to your point, in detail?

Do you mean THAT way?

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That IS quoting people, THUGR. That's how quotes are supposed to be done. I'm surprised that you seem to be so unfamiliar with seeing your own words repeated back to you and then discussed.



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Monday, March 20, 2017 12:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Merkel's gone in October anyhow. No big deal.

But we will be around to decide if Germany's defense minister is crazy or if Trump is nuts. In other news about Trump accused of being nuts:

American College of Physicians on AHCA: “I’ve never seen a bill that will do more harm to health”, a brutal assessment from a major doctors group. There will be “thousands of preventable deaths” if the Trumpcare passes. Trump says the opposite. His is the very best plan, says he! A great plan! Is he is crazy? Or are physicians lying for no reason about Trump’s wonderful plans?

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/20/14980660/american-college-of
-physicians-ahca



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Monday, March 20, 2017 1:07 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Trump has some very fixed and whacky ideas about things: Iran. Global warming. taxes.

Like Obama had whacky ideas about things ... yanno, like how to "liberate" the Mideast, "fix" the USA economy, "insure" health, and "protect" our Constitutional rights.

We need to destroy the deep state first. THEN we need to move the Administration ... whichever one it is ... in the best direction. But unless we destroy the deep state and break free of the globalists' plan to take over the world, you will NEVER achieve any of your deeply-held goals.

Priorities, SECOND. Priorities and perspective.



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Monday, March 20, 2017 5:50 PM

OONJERAH


Is Donald Trump the puppet of Robert Mercer?

But can he be the puppet of both the Kremlin & Mercer?
Doesn't sound like that would work.

But since no reasonable populace would have elected him on purpose,
he must be someone's puppet. Or we-the-people are Nuts.



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Monday, March 20, 2017 7:50 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


OONJERAH, do you want to be treated like the sweet little old auntie who gets flustered whenever something "not nice" is discussed? Or do you want to be treated like an intelligent individual who will follow a trail of logic and evidence wherever it leads?

Let me know. In case you're interested, I've been treating you like my favorite auntie, and will continue to do so, if that's what you want. I like you, you're a sweet person, and I don't want to discomfort you. OTOH I don't want to disrespect you either.


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Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:27 AM

OONJERAH



I am the sweet little ole auntie who never got politics.

I got a certain amount of history in school, especially
the parts I found interesting. As for politics, teachers
weren't supposed to push their biases in school, and my
folks really didn't know much.

I, otoh, am a true Ostrich when it comes to politics.
I want someone else to fix it & make this America the beautiful.

The election I recall the best in my lifetime was Eisenhower
running against Stevenson ... & they were both good guys.

As for Trump, you can say any bad thing about him; I will
simply nod & believe it.



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Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:25 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

I am the sweet little ole auntie who never got politics.
OK politics not your thing. I'll just make sure not to talk about it with you.



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Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:29 AM

JO753

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Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Is Donald Trump the puppet of Robert Mercer?



http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/27/the-reclusive-hedge-fund-
tycoon-behind-the-trump-presidency


Thats newz to me. Never herd uv him befor. Thanks!

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Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:23 AM

G

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Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Is Donald Trump the puppet of Robert Mercer?

But can he be the puppet of both the Kremlin & Mercer.
Doesn't sound like that would work.

But since no reasonable populace would have elected him on purpose,
he must be someone's puppet. Or we-the-people are Nuts.



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Multiple choice, multiple answers. I don't know about "nuts" but definitely spoiled to the point of being irrational.

And Trump has shown himself to be very easily manipulated and influenced if you know the right buttons. Never heard of Mercer, thanks for that one - great article in the New Yorker whoever posted it.
We can add Fox News and InfoWars to the list of Trump influencers (egads).

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Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:08 AM

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And long before Trump, there was a US president whose statements were so outlandish, so forcefully repeated – and so demonstrably false – that the press nearly gave up reporting them. That was Ronald Reagan, whose authorized biographer, Edmund Morris, described him as a “fabricator” who had an “embarrassing propensity to just make things up.” Reagan told Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir that he was in Germany with American troops in 1945 as they liberated two Nazi concentration camps exposing the horror of the Holocaust. Yet Reagan had spent the entire war in Culver City, Calif., making Army training films where he viewed footage of soldiers liberating a camp. The film became Reagan’s reality.

And at a White House ceremony honoring war heroes, Reagan recounted the bravery of a World War II bomber pilot whose plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire. The pilot ordered the crew to bail out, but one crewman was too wounded to do so. Reagan told the audience that the pilot chose to remain on the plane to comfort the crewman as they spiraled to their deaths, thereby earning the pilot a Medal of Honor. Reporters quickly discovered that the story was pure fiction, a scene in the wartime Hollywood movie “A Wing and a Prayer.”

White House reporters were flummoxed by the president’s disregard for facts like these – and even more flummoxed by the public’s disinterest in holding him to account. In a 1983 New York Times article, Steven R. Weisman noted that reporters wearied of reporting the president’s frequent “debatable assertions of fact” because the public seemed to shrug them off as “nits and nats” and “inside baseball.” When White House press secretary Larry Speakes was asked how it could be that Reagan would repeat stories that were provably false, Speakes replied, “If you tell the same story five times, it’s true.”

www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2017/0311/Trump-vs.-the-media-the-war-o
ver-facts



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Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Trump has some very fixed and whacky ideas about things: Iran. Global warming. taxes.

Like Obama had whacky ideas about things ... yanno, like how to "liberate" the Mideast, "fix" the USA economy, "insure" health, and "protect" our Constitutional rights.

We need to destroy the deep state first. THEN we need to move the Administration ... whichever one it is ... in the best direction. But unless we destroy the deep state and break free of the globalists' plan to take over the world, you will NEVER achieve any of your deeply-held goals.

Priorities, SECOND. Priorities and perspective.

None of those priorities will ever be reached with the majority of Americans as they are. Why? The job approval ratings of the four most recent Republican presidents among Republicans in the form of a graph. It means something: www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/03/correction-heres-how-trump-doin
g-among-republican-voters



The voters give the appearance of being robots following orders to approve whatever the government does. Why would Presidents and Senators and Governors listen to the desires of a vast army of mindless robots when there are only a few people with actual willpower and preferences to listen to? The government would much prefer listening to David Rockefeller, who comes to mind despite being dead, rather than a hundred million empty headed voters who will approve anything the government does. Why listen to them when you can listen to Bill Gates? I do believe Gates has a meeting with Trump this week.

I’m still on the theme that Americans are robots: Nine in 10 people would electrocute others if ordered, a rerun of the infamous Milgram Experiment shows. 90% gives Trump lots and lots of human material to persuade. He only needs a majority of voters so he need not convince all 90%. A recent study by St Andrews University suggested that people were happy to inflict pain on others if they believed it was for the greater good.
www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/03/14/nine-10-people-would-electrocut
e-others-ordered-re-run-milgram
/

In other words, 90% of Americans can be persuaded to zap the hell out of foreigners chosen at random if Americans can do it indirectly with a push on a button or check mark on an election ballot for President. Why would any government listen to the priorities of the people when 90% of them are robots? Government listens to the 10% who are not robots. Government pays especially close attention to the top 1% who are not robots.


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Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:30 AM

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I have robots on my mind. Both kinds: metal and human.

High levels of employment with weak growth in wages is what you’d expect to see if technological progress were occurring rapidly in a world where thin safety nets mean that dropping out of the labor force leads to a life of poverty. – Ryan Avent
http://bit.ly/2moKcuD

There could be truth in what Avent wrote, a truth that Trump can take advantage of to get more votes from human-robots. In a blog entry titled “Robot Geometry”, the Nobel Prize-winner in Economics did a simple general equilibrium analysis to capture a lot of what Ryan Avent is saying. That does not, of course, mean that Avent is empirically right. But it is very suggestive.
https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2017/03/20/robot-geometry-very-wonki
sh/#commentsContainer


The Wealth of Humans by Ryan Avent
https://thepiratebay.org/search/The%20Wealth%20of%20Humans/0/99/0

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Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:00 AM

6STRINGJOKER


This robot is going to re-seed the grass in the back yard this week. Some nasty critters got a hold of it last summer. This robot is also going to be taking apart a dead car for parts before getting it scrapped so it can have a workshop in its garage again.

You Hilbot... i mean humans have fun saving the world from the robot takeover with your free will.

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Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
This robot is going to re-seed the grass in the back yard this week. Some nasty critters got a hold of it last summer. This robot is also going to be taking apart a dead car for parts before getting it scrapped so it can have a workshop in its garage again.

You Hilbot... i mean humans have fun saving the world from the robot takeover with your free will.

6stringJoker, I am the 1%. When the robots vote Republican I am the one that benefits, not the robots and not the humans who dropped out of work to live free . . . in poverty. Trumpcare gets voted upon Thursday, taking away more of 6stringJoker's safety net. It might fail passing, not because it is too stingy, but because it is too generous to the unemployed, in the opinion of Tea Party Congressmen from Texas.

If it passes on Thursday, Trumpcare changes the subsidies around, ensuring that everyone who makes less than $75,000 a year gets a subsidy that’s based on age. The older you are, the more help you get. This leaves the neediest families out of luck (think of 6stringJoker). The subsidy isn’t enough to buy an insurance plan if you’re just barely above the poverty line regardless of your age, so the neediest would end up going uninsured and get nothing from the government at all. Not my problem to solve. Your problem, 6stringJoker. Your problem. Either solve it or not. It is your choice.

www.vox.com/2017/3/20/14991184/ahca-magic-asterisk

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Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:57 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
This robot is going to re-seed the grass in the back yard this week. Some nasty critters got a hold of it last summer. This robot is also going to be taking apart a dead car for parts before getting it scrapped so it can have a workshop in its garage again.

You Hilbot... i mean humans have fun saving the world from the robot takeover with your free will.

6stringJoker, I am the 1%. When the robots vote Republican I am the one that benefits, not the robots and not the humans who dropped out of work to live free . . . in poverty. Trumpcare gets voted upon Thursday, taking away more of 6stringJoker's safety net. It might fail passing, not because it is too stingy, but because it is too generous to the unemployed, in the opinion of Tea Party Congressmen from Texas.

If it passes on Thursday, Trumpcare changes the subsidies around, ensuring that everyone who makes less than $75,000 a year gets a subsidy that’s based on age. The older you are, the more help you get. This leaves the neediest families out of luck (think of 6stringJoker). The subsidy isn’t enough to buy an insurance plan if you’re just barely above the poverty line regardless of your age, so the neediest would end up going uninsured and get nothing from the government at all. Not my problem to solve. Your problem, 6stringJoker. Your problem. Either solve it or not. It is your choice.

www.vox.com/2017/3/20/14991184/ahca-magic-asterisk

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Healthcare would be all that exists of my "safety-net". I don't get any other benefits. The only reason I get it is because it's forced upon me. I would have to pay $695 in taxes if I refused it.

The work I need done is dental, and they don't cover that because it's considered cosmetic work, so the health care offered to me is useless to me and it's a shame that the state has to pay for it.

If it is "taken from me" it will make no difference in my life. If any catastrophic thing were to happen to me, the hospital would not turn me away and they would not be allowed to take my house or car, both of which I own free and clear.

I'm good either way.

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Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:11 PM

OONJERAH


Nine in 10 people would electrocute others if ordered,
a rerun of the infamous Milgram Experiment shows.
(Thank you, Second.)

A short take on the Milgram experiment:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

This shows that about 90% of people will obey an authority figure.
Meaning that 90% of us are not our own authority figure.
I think any successful society must have 90% (or more) worker bees.
If all of us were Queen bees, there'd be constant conflict & no
work would get done.

Now ... as for the ability to think Independently, rationally ...
that'd be a different experiment. I've long thought that only 10%
fall into that category. Else there wouldn't be so many folks around
who still think God created this Universe in 4,004 B.C.




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Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:

Now ... as for the ability to think Independently, rationally ...
that'd be a different experiment. I've long thought that only 10%
fall into that category. Else there wouldn't be so many folks around
who still think God created this Universe in 4,004 B.C.



4004 years... what took him so long? I know god has a different time table, but still.
Oooooooo! Movie idea: what if instead.... god had given us his only daughter???

Janice Christ? Jemima Christ?!


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Tuesday, March 21, 2017 4:19 PM

OONJERAH


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
4004 years... what took him so long? I know god has a different time table, but still.
Oooooooo! Movie idea: what if instead.... god had given us his only daughter???

Janice Christ? Jemima Christ?!



Holy moley, Batman!! I never thought of that!

She's prob'ly yet to come ... saving the best for ...
When/If we're ready to understand her.



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Tuesday, March 21, 2017 4:27 PM

6STRINGJOKER


My constant bouts with unemployment I would say are evidence of my falling in the 10% there, as is my need to have zero debt to anybody to a fault.

I wasn't laid off at my last high paying job because of performance issues. I left that job making nearly double what I started at in 5 years. I always received the highest allowable annual increase and a very good promotion during that time. I was very well thought of by my peers, my manager and his manager. HR hated me though. I frequently spoke my mind and got into battles that weren't even mine to fight. I was laid off because that was a perfect opportunity to get rid of an employee like me without a legal battle on their hands.

That ties into the money aspect. I was free to speak my mind because unlike everyone else around me, I did not "need" the job. Nearly everyone I worked with regularly was married with children and in debt up to their eyeballs. Losing the job would be catastrophic for them. I was sitting on top of a nearly 100k nest egg near the end. I regularly spoke out when I saw others being treated like shit because they couldn't speak up for themselves.

I was similarly fired from KMart for the same reason, and in the end the state granted me unemployment because they deemed it a wrongful termination. I had even spoken with Corporate about it who agreed with me and asked me if I wanted to start the paperwork to get my job back. I had no interest in doing that though because the only reason I was in contact with them was to try to remove the new store management that was causing distress in the lives of the minimum wage workers there who already hadn't received a raise in the last 8 years. They told me that they would not be doing anything about that, so I stopped talking to them since there was no point. I had no desire to keep working there, especially if they weren't going to do anything about removing the problem.

I said last week in another thread that I would not put anybody in jail if I was on a jury, and my ability to live so cheaply would allow me to drag that case out far longer than the other 12 jurors would likely be able to hold out would mean whatever case I was on would equal a not guilty verdict.

It has worked out poorly in the end for me quite a few times. It's not an easy road, and that's why 90% of people won't take it. I definitely don't make things easy on myself.

There's not a chance that I would flip the switch.


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Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:19 PM

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

Now ... as for the ability to think Independently, rationally ...
that'd be a different experiment. I've long thought that only 10%
fall into that category. Else there wouldn't be so many folks around
who still think God created this Universe in 4,004 B.C.



4004 years... what took him so long? I know god has a different time table, but still.
Oooooooo! Movie idea: what if instead.... god had given us his only daughter???

Janice Christ? Jemima Christ?!


Isabel. Jesus is from Isa, for annointed, chosen. Bel, of god. chosen daughter of god, Isabel. That's my vote.

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Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:25 PM

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I like Isabel, too. :)



... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.

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Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:20 PM

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... fully loaded, safety off...


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Isabel. Jesus is from Isa, for annointed, chosen. Bel, of god. chosen daughter of god, Isabel. That's my vote.



Isabel is a beautiful name - has a sympathetic ring too. I like her already.
I guess it depends on the genre. Jemima Christ was pure Quentin T. And Pam Greer action flick, not so much the story of the "Lamb Chop of God."
I can also imagine the story as serious dramatic fantasy. What if there really had been such a "person" but for some reason their deeds had been taken out of scripture, expunged as it were. Makes you think the first act would be about the relationship of the 2, and the second act starts with the deeds that separate them and bring damnation onto poor Isabel's head. Meh, I hate the idea of her being "poor Isabel." I think she was maybe too much the revolutionary and Jesus was a bit fey at first, and her attempts to inspire him got her in trouble and that finally made... poor Jesus... stand up. Yeah - blah - that's too made for TV. It's not often I wish I knew the Bible better.
I think the title would just be "Isabel." Let the connection and full name come out in the marketing run up.

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Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:03 AM

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Some Notes Toward Understanding Our President's Level of Sanity

Trump is vain. He's peculiarly unwilling to learn anything new. He feels endlessly persecuted. His attention span can be measured in minutes. He's paranoid over the slightest sign of disloyalty. He is vengeful. He demands constant attention. He makes up preposterous fictions to sustain his worldview and shield his ego from the slings and arrows of reality. He desperately wants to be liked by everyone. He's domineering. His personal relationships are almost entirely transactional. He never laughs. He can't stand people poking fun at him. He's often unable to control his emotional outbursts.

Being, say, vain and domineering would make him a bit of an asshole, but nothing more. But put all of his bizarre personality traits together, stir in the pressure of being president, and that might be enough to qualify him as detached from consensus reality.

Is it possible that Donald J. Trump truly is some version of unhinged/crazy? When Barry Goldwater and Hugh Scott told Richard Nixon he had to resign, Nixon succumbed to reality. What would Trump do in a situation like that?

A mere "liar" would know it was time to go. Do you feel sure that Donald J. Trump would react like that?

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/03/composite-trump-some-notes-towa
rd-understanding-our-presidents-level-crazy


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Some Notes Toward Understanding Conservatives' Level of Sanity

Trump's tweets are, at various times, ridiculous or untrue. David French doesn't like what defending Trump is doing to conservatives:

The tweets, however, are exposing something else in many of Trump’s friends and supporters — an extremely high tolerance for dishonesty and an oft-enthusiastic willingness to defend sheer nonsense....I’ve watched Christian friends laugh hysterically at Trump’s tweets, positively delighted that they cause fits of rage on the other side. I’ve watched them excuse falsehoods from reflexively-defensive White House aides, claiming “it’s just their job” to defend the president. Since when is it any person’s job to help their boss spew falsehoods into the public domain?

....GOP gratitude for beating Hillary Clinton cannot and must not extend into acceptance (or even endorsement) of presidential dishonesty and impulsiveness. Trump isn’t just doing damage to himself. As he lures a movement into excusing his falsehoods, he does damage to the very culture and morality of his base. The truth still matters, even when fighting Democrats you despise.
www.nationalreview.com/corner/445957/its-not-worth-sacrificing-anyones
-integrity-defend-trumps-tweets


Trump is not to blame for discovering these traits among conservatives. Drudge and Limbaugh and Fox News and Breitbart have been mining this same gold vein for years.

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Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:26 AM

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Know Thyself Second.

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Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Know Thyself Second.

Know Thy Trump on March 21 said, “Believe me!” Fact checkers correct him when he’s “off by one hundredth of a percent.” He added, “I end up getting Pinocchios!” This is from the guy who repeatedly said the real unemployment rate was 42 percent. Watch Trump on video smoothly deny he is lying: https://t.co/niULexmOBz

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Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:59 PM

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I don't know about 40%, but it's sure a lot higher than they say it is. The unemployment numbers only include those "actively looking for work", which means only those filing weekly or bi-weekly unemployment sheets for their checks. I haven't filed a report since the benefits wore off over a year ago, so I am no longer considered "unemployed".

The actual number of unemployed Americans of working age is currently over 40 million. When you subtract senior citizens, everyone under 18 and illegal immigrants from the 350 or so million people living in America, 40 million is a lot higher than whatever single digit number the MSM says unemployment is.

If you were to add to the Real number the "under-employed", I'm pretty sure the number of 40% is pretty accurate.

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Thursday, March 23, 2017 8:32 AM

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
I don't know about 40%, but it's sure a lot higher than they say it is. The unemployment numbers only include those "actively looking for work", which means only those filing weekly or bi-weekly unemployment sheets for their checks. I haven't filed a report since the benefits wore off over a year ago, so I am no longer considered "unemployed".

The actual number of unemployed Americans of working age is currently over 40 million. When you subtract senior citizens, everyone under 18 and illegal immigrants from the 350 or so million people living in America, 40 million is a lot higher than whatever single digit number the MSM says unemployment is.

If you were to add to the Real number the "under-employed", I'm pretty sure the number of 40% is pretty accurate.

You really don't want to entertain the idea that Trump is either nuts or a stone cold liar, do you? Either one is definitely bad for you. Neither is bad for me or for Congressmen.

Trump is warning Congressional Republicans: Pass Trumpcare or Lose Your Seats. (Congressmen are not impressed by Trump's nutty threats. They don't think he has the brains or guts to follow through.)

“I’m going to come after you,” Mr. Trump told Representative Mark Meadows, Republican of North Carolina.

Representative Leonard Lance of New Jersey, one of the nearly two dozen Republicans from districts that Mr. Trump lost in 2016, said he was leaning strongly toward a “no” vote. “I campaigned in support of a repeal-and-replace bill that would make health care more affordable and accessible and provide a smooth transition to those who were forced into Obamacare through no fault of their own,” Mr. Lance said. “The bill, as currently drafted, does none of these things.” An unimportant detail to Trump. This is his Trumpcare and he wants it to pass, even if it does not do what he promised. Is he nuts? Or is he a liar? Both?

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-warns-house-republicans-repeal-h
ealth-law-or-lose-your-seats/ar-BByytRo?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp


Trump may end up destroying people, not because he is powerful, smart or brave, but because he is inane.

Quote: "Many House Republicans districts are so safe they wouldn’t lose to a Democrat even if the Trump administration unleashed a nuclear holocaust. To the extent that they worry about anything, they worry about losing their reputation for total ideological purism — and inviting a possible primary challenge from the right."
-- www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/23/15024170/obamacare-repeal-bi
ll-tough-time-senate

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Thursday, March 23, 2017 10:25 AM

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I have no stake in anything he does. As you've said before, you stand to gain far more from Trump than I ever would. Your tax savings this year alone will be more money than I've made in the last 9 years.

The problem is I've heard so much crazy shit from the left for so long that Trumps craziness doesn't phase me anymore. Maybe if the loud minority of the Left that is taking over college campuses and the MSM haven't spent every oppourtunity they had the last 8 years trying to make me feel guilty for being a white male, I wouldn't welcome crazy in a different flavor.

As a very loud representative of the new wave Left, I put this all at your feet Second. Whatever the outcome.

You and the Left have now had 4 1/2 months to rebrand the Democratic party and get somebody in a position of power there that might challenge Trump in 2020. You haven't done that at all. It's been 4 1/2 months of liberal bitching and whining and conspiracy theories and doubling down on all of the things that put us in this position in the first place.

Right now, you have nobody. There is not a single Democratic name out there that would stand a chance against Trump in 2020. Why don't you work on that? Promote somebody I can get on board with that actually treats me like a human being and not some caricature of a Nazi, and then we'll talk.


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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
I have no stake in anything he does. . . . The problem is I've heard so much crazy shit from the left for so long that Trumps craziness doesn't phase me anymore.

What? You don't need health insurance? I thought you were signed up for Obamacare. Wrong of me? I have heard that millions who are eligible for Obamacare did not sign up for it because of . . . well, who knows what they are thinking? If you and they don't want it, well, Trump won't force you go to a doctor in his Trumpcare or Obama's Obamacare. It is your life, your decision, nobody will stop you in America from making decisions, right or wrong, for yourself.
http://obamacarefacts.com/sign-ups/obamacare-enrollment-numbers/
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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

You and the Left have now had 4 1/2 months to rebrand the Democratic party and get somebody in a position of power there that might challenge Trump in 2020. You haven't done that at all. It's been 4 1/2 months of liberal bitching and whining and conspiracy theories and doubling down on all of the things that put us in this position in the first place.

Why would Democrats bother? We've got 8 years of Republican control ahead of us and I am gleefully looking forward to my Republican tax cuts. Democrats would never give me that money, but Republican think I deserve it and hurray for that! We have seen this 8 year cycle before.

Back when Nixon was President, Democrats ran George McGovern against him. McGovern was a clear alternative to lying Nixon and his Vietnam War. Nixon was reelected by a landslide because Americans wanted 8 years of Republicans. I know that Gerald Ford finished Nixon's 8 years and I suspect that Mike Pence might finish Trump's 8 years, but 8 is what the USA is gonna get, no matter who Democrats run as their George McGovern of 2020.

McGovern was not a joke, either. He was completely sincere & competent and yet he was crushed by the completely insincere, incompetent and phony Nixon. I believe the Nixon campaign argument was: "Why change Dicks in the middle of a screw? Nixon in '72!" If Trump can start a war equivalent to Vietnam, he is certain to be reelected. Vietnam War worked for Nixon's reelection. Trump has already asked for a much bigger budget for the War Department without announcing which country will be the Vietnam he needs for reelection in 2020. Could be Iran or North Korea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_McGovern

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Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:02 PM

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You already know I have Obamacare, unless you don't actually read anything other people post. As I've said before the only reason that I accept it is because I would be charged $695 in taxes for not having healthcare.

As to the rest of what you say, I wonder if you truly believe it. That's just backwards thinking. You democrats have an opportunity the next 4-8 years to become a party that people want to be a part of again instead of maintaining the vile behavior toward anyone with dissenting opinions and general crybabyisms that are carried out on a daily basis for no reason. It's completely counter-productive for all of us.

I'm not a hard line anything. I'm not a mindless Trump sycophant. Come to me with some real answers. Some real solutions. Come to me with some candidates that that lie somewhere in the middle that can make a better future for us.

When you come in here, every single post, and just throw out insults to the President and anybody you don't agree with, all you're doing is speaking to your own echo chamber.

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
You already know I have Obamacare, unless you don't actually read anything other people post. As I've said before the only reason that I accept it is because I would be charged $695 in taxes for not having healthcare.

I'm not a hard line anything. I'm not a mindless Trump sycophant. Come to me with some real answers. Some real solutions.

Here is a real solution, but it requires you to be brave and show some guile. You are claiming that you don't need health insurance and you only bought because of taxes. Since you don't need insurance, you think, you could lie on your tax return then there would be no $695 tax. Nobody will audit your return. Nobody will care if you don't have insurance. On your IRS 1040 line #61 Health care: individual responsibility (see instructions) Full-year coverage X. Fake it. Put the "X". The Republicans fixed it so that the IRS doesn't have any way to check your honesty.

What happens if you don't pay the fee and you get caught? The IRS will hold back the amount of the fee from any future tax refunds. There are no liens, levies, or criminal penalties for failing to pay the fee. www.healthcare.gov/fees/fee-for-not-being-covered/

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Thursday, March 23, 2017 4:21 PM

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Why would I do any of that?

$695 means a lot to me, and it did when I was making a good buck too. That's how I was able to buy this house with cash when I lost that job.

I've done my own taxes for going on 20 years now and never lied or got audited on them. Taking the Obamacare forced on me means I don't have to pay the $695 tax. I know it's not criminal to get caught lying about that when I make nothing. People would be rioting if it were. But they could take a lean on future taxes, as you mention.

I have zero debt. No mortgage. No car payment. No credit card or school debt. I don't even own a cell phone or have cable TV so I'm not even on the hook for a contract for future services.

Why would I put myself in a position to have an unfair tax debt put on me?

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Quote:

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Why would I do any of that?

Why would I put myself in a position to have an unfair tax debt put on me?

Have you learned nothing from President Trump and his tax returns? Follow his example. And if not him, did you ever watch Firefly? Did you notice that the heroic crew were not truthful around the evil Alliance/Obama administration? Did you ever think that it is right for them to dissimulate? To give you a different perspective on obedience and following rules and truthfully filling out government forms, I have Trump's exclusive interview with Time’s Michael Scherer, published Thursday.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/23/15035286/trump-time-intervie
w-lies


President Donald Trump basically gives three types of explanations for why it’s okay for him to say things that aren’t true. You could learn valuable lessons that would help you in the Real World, away from fireflyfans.net.

1) Trump thinks it’s okay to repeat a false claim as long as he is accurately stating the fact that someone else made the false claim.

2) He thinks it’s okay to say something false as long as it later turns out that something vaguely similar is true.

3) And he appears to think it’s okay to just straight-up lie and then keep lying for no reason.

Here are three quotes on category 1) misstatements, where Trump says he was accurately saying other people said something false, so there’s no reason for him to apologize for spreading misinformation:

“I’m just quoting the newspaper [about Ted Cruz’s father being involved in the JFK assassination], just like I quoted the judge the other day, Judge Napolitano, I quoted Judge Napolitano, just like I quoted Bret Baier, I mean Bret Baier mentioned the word wiretap.”

“Well, I’m not, well, I think, I’m not saying, I’m quoting, Michael, I’m quoting highly respected people and sources from major television networks.”

“Well if you look at the reporter, he wrote the story [about Muslims celebrating 9/11 on rooftops in New Jersey] in the Washington Post.”

You can read more examples at 9 bonkers things Donald Trump said in his new exclusive interview with Time

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/23/15035286/trump-time-intervie
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Thursday, March 23, 2017 6:52 PM

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We've gone over this before. I am often unemployed because I do not submit well to authority.

Money is freedom. When you don't have access to money, the next best thing is not owing any money to anybody else. I may not have much to my name outside of my home, but I am free to do almost anything I want to do, like not work for nearly 2 years. This is a freedom that I do not have if I have debt.

There is NO escaping the IRS if they set their sights on you. As you yourself mentioned on this forum just a few days ago, tax fraud is how they brought down Al Capone himself when all else failed.


I'm not choosing to be truthful on my taxes because I'm an obedient sheep. I am truthful on my taxes because most of the time I don't have to pay very much, and when I did make money I knew all the ways to shield as much as legally possible.

It all boils down to a matter of ROI. What do I have to gain by lying on my taxes here? Absolutely nothing.

What do I have to lose? $695 in personal freedom, which for me these days equates to roughly two months of freedom.

It's a no brainer.

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Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:08 PM

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Is Trump Nuts?
Every time I read the title Is Trump Nuts?, the first thing that pops into my head is - do I care? And the answer always is - No. Not until such time as it looks like he's driving the car into WWIII. And the fact that people are running around trying to whip everyone into a frenzy just makes me tired. We've been there, and done that, many, many, many, many, many times over. I at least have learned to view the propaganda pushers with a large degree of indifference. And just because they've managed to goad people into an unthinking frenzy doesn't mean I need to join them.




Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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And the fact that people are running around trying to whip everyone into a frenzy just makes me tired. We've been there, and done that, many, many, many, many, many times over.

Here is a small part of an article that points out a fact that Trump can take political advantage of. The worse he makes this one fact, the better for himself being reelected, but the worse for you.

Out of all rich countries in the world, the USA has the worst distribution of wealth.

A majority of Americans have little or no wealth. Half of all American adults have wealth less than $44,977. If the wealth was spread equally, all American adults would have $344,692 each.

The wealth that there is, is mostly owned by people at the top. The top is Trump, a multi-billionaire, he has bragged. The author of the article also wrote: I grew up in a middle-class family, the first to go to college full-time and the first to earn a Ph.D. The economic policies of the last 40 years have reduced the middle class's security, and this blog is a small contribution to reversing that.

U.S. Has Worst Wealth Inequality of Any Rich Nation, and It's Not Even Close
www.middleclasspoliticaleconomist.com/2017/03/us-has-worst-wealth-ineq
uality-of-any.html


Let's move now to the inequality data, where I'll present median wealth per adult, mean wealth per adult, and the mean-to-median ratio, a significant indicator of inequality. These data will be sorted by that ratio. The “mean” is the average across all adults. The “median” identifies the single luckiest adult’s wealth that is exactly in the middle of the sample for that country: half of all adults’ wealth is higher, half is lower.


1. United States $ 44,977 $344,692 7.66
2. Denmark $ 52,279 $259,816 4.97
3. Germany $ 42,833 $185,175 4.32
4. Austria $ 52,519 $206,002 3.92
5. Israel $ 54,384 $176,263 3.24
6. Kuwait $ 40,803 $119,038 2.92
7. Finland $ 52,427 $146,733 2.80
8. Canada $ 96,664 $270,179 2.80
9. Taiwan $ 63,134 $172,847 2.74
10. Singapore $101,386 $276,885 2.73
11. United Kingdom $107,865 $288,808 2.68
12. Ireland $ 80,668 $214,589 2.66
13. Luxembourg $125,452 $316,466 2.52
14. Korea $ 64,686 $159,914 2.47
15. France $ 99,923 $244,365 2.45
16. United Arab Emirates $ 62,332 $151,098 2.42
17. Norway $135,012 $312,339 2.31
18. Australia $162,815 $375,573 2.31
19. Switzerland $244,002 $561,854 2.30
20. Netherlands $ 81,118 $184,378 2.27
21. New Zealand $135,755 $298,930 2.20
22. Iceland $188,088 $408,595 2.17
23. Qatar $ 74,820 $161,666 2.16
24. Malta $ 54,562 $116,185 2.13
25. Spain $ 56,500 $116,320 2.06
26. Greece $ 53,266 $103,569 1.94
27. Italy $104,105 $202,288 1.94
28. Japan $120,493 $230,946 1.92
29. Belgium $154,815 $270,613 1.75

Source: Author's calculations from Credit Suisse Global Wealth Databook 2016, Table 3-1
www.credit-suisse.com/us/en/about-us/research/research-institute/globa
l-wealth-report.html


As you can see, the U.S. inequality ratio is more than 50% higher than #2 Denmark and fully three times as high as the median country on the list, France. As the title says, this is not even close.

. . . we are careening towards a retirement crisis as Baby Boomers like myself find their income drop off a cliff in retirement. As I reported in 2013, 49% (!) of all private sector workers have no retirement plan at all, not even a crappy 401(k). 31% have only a 401(k), which shifts all the investment risk on to the individual, rather than pooling that risk as Social Security does. And many people had to borrow against their 401(k) during the Great Recession, including 1/3 of people in their forties. The overall savings shortfall is $6.6 trillion! If Republican leaders finally get their wish to gut Social Security, prepare to see levels of elder poverty unlike anything in generations. It will not be pretty.

www.theatlas.com/charts/H187NGifx

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Friday, March 24, 2017 9:39 AM

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Is Trump Nuts?
Every time I read the title Is Trump Nuts?, the first thing that pops into my head is - do I care? And the answer always is - No. Not until such time as it looks like he's driving the car into WWIII. And the fact that people are running around trying to whip everyone into a frenzy just makes me tired. We've been there, and done that, many, many, many, many, many times over. I at least have learned to view the propaganda pushers with a large degree of indifference. And just because they've managed to goad people into an unthinking frenzy doesn't mean I need to join them.



Says Kiki thinking only of herself as usual.

Meanwhile, things that actually matter to the rest of us:
- 24,000,000 fellow Americans close to losing their health care.
- $50,000,000,000 added to the military budget
- Trump moves to eliminate Paris accord and any recognition or steps to address global warming
- the 1% billionaire's club cabinet = nothing to see there!

I guess you didn't care about those things back when you said you cared about them.

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Friday, March 24, 2017 9:44 AM

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This didn't just pop up in the last few months Second.

In the last 8 years alone the re-distribution of wealth via social programs have exploded and the amount of American families that have been put under the federal poverty line has seen massive increases.

This was already starting back with GWB and his massive debts for the wars. (The two biggest things I was vocal against him for, the third being the Patriot Act).

To be fair though, a lot of this lies on Clinton for opening the WTO to china and really getting the ball rolling with globalism. It was temporarily great for our economy and made Bill look really good though.


I agree with pretty much everything you just posted, and that it is a major problem. I just think it's silly to be trying to put any of that on Trump just yet. 16+ years of this crap isn't going to be eclipsed by 3 more months of it except by the most ardent Trump haters looking for anything to post negatively about him. Even more comical to me is that it's coming from somebody in the 1% who's financial advice to me yesterday was to lie on my taxes.

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Friday, March 24, 2017 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
This didn't just pop up in the last few months Second.

In the last 8 years alone the re-distribution of wealth via social programs have exploded and the amount of American families that have been put under the federal poverty line has seen massive increases.

This was already starting back with GWB and his massive debts for the wars. (The two biggest things I was vocal against him for, the third being the Patriot Act).

To be fair though, a lot of this lies on Clinton for opening the WTO to china and really getting the ball rolling with globalism. It was temporarily great for our economy and made Bill look really good though.


I agree with pretty much everything you just posted, and that it is a major problem. I just think it's silly to be trying to put any of that on Trump just yet. 16+ years of this crap isn't going to be eclipsed by 3 more months of it except by the most ardent Trump haters looking for anything to post negatively about him. Even more comical to me is that it's coming from somebody in the 1% who's financial advice to me yesterday was to lie on my taxes.

What I'm about to do is not nice, but it is all true and has been going on for more than 8 years. Even Trump should understand it, and especially his Labor Secretary, but neither do. Or maybe they don't want to?

Economists think automation is already responsible for a lot of the job decline. A study by Ball University in 2015 estimated that if US industry were producing in 2010 at the same level of productivity as it did in 2000, the US would have needed 20.9 million manufacturing workers; instead it had only 12.1 million (pdf, p. 4).
http://projects.cberdata.org/reports/MfgReality.pdf

That is 8.8 million jobs lost to increased efficiency, not to foreigners.

Trump has blamed globalization for the loss of American industrial jobs and promised to bring them back by creating incentives for companies to manufacture in the US. Instead, Trump should create incentives for companies to be less efficient. That would create jobs instantaneously. If you ever worked in a factory, you’d know how simple it is to ruin productivity. It takes great care to keep the factory moving smoothly. Stop being careful on the factory floor and start hiring more workers could be Trump’s successful job creation policy.
https://qz.com/941252/trumps-treasury-secretary-steven-mnuchin-says-ro
bots-taking-over-jobs-is-not-even-on-our-radar-screen
/

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Friday, March 24, 2017 1:23 PM

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Trump’s landmark Keystone XL pipeline deal will create 35 long-term American jobs
https://qz.com/941441

Taking it a step further, a 2011 report from Cornell University concluded that the Keystone XL pipeline could actually destroy more jobs than it created. That’s because Midwesterners could wind up paying 10 to 20 cents more per gallon of gasoline if the pipeline diverts crude oil from Midwestern refineries down to those in the Gulf of Mexico region. And it probably will, the researchers write, because oil refined on the Gulf can be sold for a higher price to export markets. That will cost the Midwest up to $2-$4 billion in higher crude prices annually, “escalating for several years,” according to information Cornell received from TransCanada. That would “suppress other spending and will therefore cost jobs,” the Cornell researchers write.
www.ilr.cornell.edu/sites/ilr.cornell.edu/files/GLI_keystoneXL_Reportp
df.pdf


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Friday, March 24, 2017 3:44 PM

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This afternoon, Paul Ryan and the rest of the House leadership is considering pulling the Trumpcare bill rather than suffering through an embarrassing loss, and Ryan has told President Trump he doesn't have the votes to pass it. Trump still wants a vote, though, so he can take down the names of the No voters and swear eternal vengeance on them.
www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/24/bannon-tells-trump-keep-a-sh
it-list-of-republicans-who-opposed-you.html


Trump already declared war on the Freedom Caucus.
www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-house-caucus-criticism-236458

“Burn the boats,” Steve Bannon (in his typical, pugnacious style) advised Trump, according to one official involved. Burning one’s boats is a reference to when military commanders in hostile territories order his or her troops to destroy their own ships, so that they have to win or die trying.

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Friday, March 24, 2017 3:52 PM

6STRINGJOKER


I'd like to have an opinion on automation, but I don't know what to think about it. I will admit that it's far too large an issue for me to wrap my head around.

Even in my very limited lifestyle, a majority of the things I do or don't have to do are thanks to automation. I'm glad that I don't have to raise crops or hunt food or wash my clothes on rocks. Does all that free time make me a better person? Does it make me happier?

PLCs would be a great job for me to get into. I know an intermediate amount about it. If I managed to just get my foot in the door I could probably shine doing it. That would also entail me going to sleep everynight knowing when people get laid off it's because they'd only need one of me for X amount of laborers. I'd also have to realize that it was just a matter of time until I wasn't even needed anymore.

I don't know the answer about this one. I don't know if there is an answer.



That being said, globalization is a real threat at the same time. I lost a great job to it. If they could have given it to robots, they would have. Skilled labor in a 3rd world country is the next best thing.

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