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Make America "GREAT"? We couldn't even hit "average"

POSTED BY: WISHIMAY
UPDATED: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 10:53
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Thursday, March 16, 2017 7:59 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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We will be at war with a half dozen countries with Twitler at the helm.
THEN ALL OF YOU PRO-WAR PEOPLE SHOULD BE HAPPY, RIGHT?

Isn't that what you want?

More American "leadership"?

America, being "strong" for its allies?

America, "the indispensable nation"?

America, standing up for "freedom" around the world?

Or ... do you NOT want that?

And if not that, what DO you want?






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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

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Thursday, March 16, 2017 8:05 AM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

We will be at war with a half dozen countries with Twitler at the helm.
THEN ALL OF YOU PRO-WAR PEOPLE SHOULD BE HAPPY, RIGHT?

Isn't that what you want?

More American "leadership"?

America, being "strong" for its allies?

America, "the indispensable nation"?

America, standing up for "freedom" around the world?

Or ... do you NOT want that?

And if not that, what DO you want?




YES!

Free Crimea!

Free Ukraine!

Free Syria!

Free Africa!

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Thursday, March 16, 2017 10:16 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Free Hat!




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Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:20 AM

DREAMTROVE


Sorry, my sarcasm detector was off.
Did the pro war contingent really suggest a world war, or was that a joke?
I'm assuming it is, but maybe you should look to the overall pattern of thought here to understand why it was a stopper. Nothing personal G, just the overall slide of left leaning arguments here and everywhere are decidedly sliding in the direction Sig is indicating.

Meanwhile, Free Tibet with every purchase.

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Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:53 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

We will be at war with a half dozen countries with Twitler at the helm.- WISHY

THEN ALL OF YOU PRO-WAR PEOPLE SHOULD BE HAPPY, RIGHT?
Isn't that what you want?
More American "leadership"?
America, being "strong" for its allies?
America, "the indispensable nation"?
America, standing up for "freedom" around the world?
Or ... do you NOT want that?
And if not that, what DO you want? - SIGNY

YES!
Free Crimea!
Free Ukraine!
Free Syria!
Free Africa!- G



Free North Korea!
Free Saudi Arabia!
Free Iran!

Hey, I LIKE this game!



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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

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Thursday, March 16, 2017 7:58 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

We will be at war with a half dozen countries with Twitler at the helm.- WISHY

THEN ALL OF YOU PRO-WAR PEOPLE SHOULD BE HAPPY, RIGHT?
Isn't that what you want?
More American "leadership"?
America, being "strong" for its allies?
America, "the indispensable nation"?
America, standing up for "freedom" around the world?
Or ... do you NOT want that?
And if not that, what DO you want? - SIGNY

YES!
Free Crimea!
Free Ukraine!
Free Syria!
Free Africa!- G



Free North Korea!
Free Saudi Arabia!
Free Iran!

Hey, I LIKE this game!



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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL


Free America!
Free Israel!
Free Canada!
Free Australia!

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Wednesday, December 6, 2017 2:08 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


http://reason.com/blog/2017/12/05/judge-halts-indiana-towns-cruel-atte
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Welcome to Indiana, land of the bland and home of the fucked...

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Wednesday, December 6, 2017 4:42 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Wow... those must be the stupidest city officials ever. The residents didn't have Patrick Swazye from Roadhouse to step in and fight for them, but the city forgot that in 2017 the internet is a thing. I'm willing to bet they'd all be out on their asses and nobody would have ever heard about this 30 years ago. If they had tried to fight it they would have probably got a corrupt lawyer in the pockets of the developer who was working with the judge against the town.... that or the lawyer would have just had an "accident".

It sounds like they just got un-fucked now though.

If I were them, I'd take this further and sue the shit out of the city and the developer. Maybe at the end of all of this the residents of Pleasant Ridge will have their homes paid for in full.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, December 6, 2017 5:12 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Your list Wish is very factual. I do remember a different America growing up, although I caught some of that "snarky" sentiment about the "greatness" as a child, but I still believed I was 100% red-blooded American made, through and through.

My president was JFK. I watched as my teacher openly cried at the news of his demise. We were taught that the president was the "father" of the country. So, as a kid being raised by a brave single mother, that was quite a blow. I knew my biological father, but this was different. I deeply felt the sorrow of the nation at the time, we lost our leader. Looking back it seems like a whole different planet, a dream I had, smoke, vapor....a whole different vibe.

When I say that your list is factual, it's not a slight in any way. It's just that I remember an America that would take this situation we're in now
(hell, the real America would have sent this clown packing. Imagine waking up one fine morning and finding Hitler in charge of the country. What would all those WWII vets say to this charlatan) and roll up "our" sleeves and go to work. I miss THAT America. The spirit of the country was totally different than the one we have now. We've been beaten into submission.

Sure, we're fat, depressed, overmedicated, divorced, stupid, dumb, numb and greedy...but that's nothing compared to banding together to oust a tyrant. We did it some 200-some odd years ago, and then again in the 40s, and in worse conditions. I say, fuck that, we need to remember how we got here. I still feel we have the wherewithall to "roll up our sleeves" and get to work.

How embarrasing that we have a racist, incoherent, uneducated, piece of shit, sleeze of a slob "leading" the country. We're better than this, and I don't mean the arrogant, snobby, ugly American.....I'm talking about the real
people of this beautiful country. The ones that when they see you down, don't step on you as they walk by. They extend a hand.


SGG

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Wednesday, December 6, 2017 5:16 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Wasn't Pence Governor there....if so, I rest my case.


SGG


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Originally posted by Wishimay:
http://reason.com/blog/2017/12/05/judge-halts-indiana-towns-cruel-atte
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Welcome to Indiana, land of the bland and home of the fucked...


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Wednesday, December 6, 2017 5:44 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Wasn't Pence Governor there....if so, I rest my case.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
http://reason.com/blog/2017/12/05/judge-halts-indiana-towns-cruel-atte
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Welcome to Indiana, land of the bland and home of the fucked...




What case?

Indiana. State of some of the lowest overall taxes in the country. A state that knows how to run a budget? A state where everybody in the Chicagoland area is fleeing to because of their insane taxes that spread from Democratic stronghold Chicago out into the suburbs and pushes people out because they're paying more than most people pay to rent an apartment in property taxes every month?

What are you trying to say here?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:43 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Indiana. State of some of the lowest overall taxes in the country. . . . What are you trying to say here?

Indiana's ex-governor, Mike Pence, was chairing the Senate when populism finally died with tax bill’s passage. The populist right’s reward for electing Trump is legislation that takes from the poor to give to the rich.

Populism, RIP.

It croaked on a birthday of sorts. This month marks 10 years since the Great Recession — and thereby the social movement it unleashed — was born.

This obituary begins in December 2007, when the spark of the financial crisis grew into a fire. The conflagration would go on to blaze through more than 8 million jobs, trillions of dollars in wealth, millions of foreclosed homes and half the value of the stock market.

Older and middle-age workers would lose jobs and nest eggs. Younger workers would get stuck in dead-end careers, if they could find careers at all, and fall behind on milestones of adulthood such as homeownership and marriage.

And millions of children would grow up watching their parents stress about money. . . .

Amid disillusionment with elites, resentment of “banksters” and their garish bonuses, and furor with regulators who let the crisis happen and then held no one — but no one — truly accountable, a populist fever erupted.

. . . Populists hated Wall Street bailouts, but they hated handouts going to their undeserving neighbors even more. They asked: Why should their mortgages be written off, when my home is also underwater? Why should they get food stamps, when I struggle to put dinner on the table? Why should they get free health care when I’m living paycheck to paycheck?

Many increasingly concluded that the answers were some version of: because they don’t look like me.

I cannot tell you how many of the unemployed workers I interviewed during the recession and its aftermath blamed their inability to find work on employers’ supposed favoritism of the young (if they themselves were old) or of the old (if they were young), of men (if they were women), of women (if they were men) and of the nonwhite (if they were white).

Of course, the main reason these workers couldn’t get a job was that there weren’t enough jobs to be gotten. With the economic pie no longer growing, every paltry slice was in dispute.

Those on the populist, anti-establishment left eventually found a savior in a socialist senator from Vermont. The populist, anti-establishment right chose a billionaire con artist. Both leaders vowed to deliver policies that would reward their acolytes and punish special interests.

In the end, only those on the populist right successfully took over a major political party, and later the country.

But what did they win, really? Did they get the great economic de-rigging they demanded? A fair shake for good, wholesome folk like themselves? The draining, at last, of the swamp?

No.

Instead, a week ago, the Trump administration began dismantling the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, a post-financial crisis creation designed specifically to protect the little guy from scam artists and swamp creatures.

And then, in the wee hours of Saturday, the Senate passed the most plutocratic, regressive, system-rigging piece of tax legislation in decades. A bill that allows multimillionaires to pass on their estates tax-free. That offers one special break to owners of private jets and another to those who send their kids to private school.

A bill that literally takes from the poor to give to the rich.

These are not policies that either left-wing or right-wing populists clamored for, and you can see as much in the poll data. The Republican tax plan is the most unpopular piece of major tax legislation in five decades, less popular even than the Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush tax hikes.

Republicans know how unpopular it is, and they just don’t care.

Instead, they expect the populist right to be satisfied with some race-baiting tweets. Some mean-spirited, occasionally unconstitutional immigration policies. The satisfaction of having a president who makes liberals angry.

Instead of bread, the populists are told to be grateful for their circuses.

Yes, friends. Populism, at least as a political force capable of extracting meaningful policy concessions, is truly, officially, undeniably dead. The time of its demise: Saturday, Dec. 2, a little before 2 A.M.

www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/Column-Populism-died-on-Saturday_1633
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Wednesday, December 6, 2017 9:18 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Once again quoting me to launch something completely unrelated.


I'll bite though.

I liked Bernie Sanders.

YOUR Democratic party screwed the country out of that vote. I think Bernie could probably have beaten Trump.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, December 6, 2017 9:57 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Once again quoting me to launch something completely unrelated.


I'll bite though.

I liked Bernie Sanders.

YOUR Democratic party screwed the country out of that vote. I think Bernie could probably have beaten Trump.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

So now are you claiming to be a Populist rather than a Republican? Would you have voted for Bernie, the real-populist, over Trump, the fake-populist? (There were thousands of reasons to believe Trump was faking it all through the campaign. Now that he is President, it is a proven fact he was faking.)

I googled the question: “What was the vote difference between Bernie and Hillary in the Primary?” The answer was that Bernie lost by 3,775,437. That is bigger than Trump’s lose to Hillary of 2,864,974. If Bernie can’t even get sufficient number of Democrats to vote for him, there was no way he was gonna win against Trump, but if Hillary had won, it would have been a partial victory for Bernie's populism because he would have been appointed into her cabinet. Take note that Trump has not invited Bernie into his cabinet. That is because Pence and Trump are fake-populists while Bernie is a real-populist.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, December 6, 2017 10:04 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Once again quoting me to launch something completely unrelated.


I'll bite though.

I liked Bernie Sanders.

YOUR Democratic party screwed the country out of that vote. I think Bernie could probably have beaten Trump.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

So now are you claiming to be a Populist rather than a Republican? Would you have voted for Bernie, the real-populist, over Trump, the fake-populist? (There were thousands of reasons to believe Trump was faking it all through the campaign. Now that he is President, it is a proven fact he was faking.)

I googled the question: “What was the vote difference between Bernie and Hillary in the Primary?” The answer was that Bernie lost by 3,775,437. That is bigger than Trump’s lose to Hillary of 2,864,974. If Bernie can’t even get sufficient number of Democrats to vote for him, there was no way he was gonna win against Trump, but if Hillary had won, it would have been a partial victory for Bernie's populism because he would have been appointed into her cabinet. Take note that Trump has not invited Bernie into his cabinet. That is because Pence and Trump are fake-populists while Bernie is a real-populist.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Google is re-writing history. Hillary did not win.

I've always said I wasn't a Republican.

My choices were Hillary and Trump. I don't think I'll ever feel sorry about the choice I made.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, December 6, 2017 10:28 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Google is re-writing history. Hillary did not win.

I've always said I wasn't a Republican.

My choices were Hillary and Trump. I don't think I'll ever feel sorry about the choice I made.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

"Google is re-writing history. Hillary did not win." Google did not change the vote total and you are very skilled at not understanding simple things. How's that working out for you? The not understanding things?

"My choices were Hillary and Trump. I don't think I'll ever feel sorry about the choice I made." And I think the choices you make that have nothing to do with elections are causing trouble for you. When I make bad choices, I feel sorry and I promptly stop then turn 180 degrees and choose differently. I don't try justifying my past wrong choices as the best I could do at the time.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, December 6, 2017 10:53 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Google did not change the vote total and you are very skilled at not understanding simple things. How's that working out for you? The not understanding things?



http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/02/politics/donna-brazile-dnc-book/index.ht
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I understand things just fine.

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And I think the choices you make that have nothing to do with elections are causing trouble for you. When I make bad choices, I feel sorry and I promptly stop then turn 180 degrees and choose differently. I don't try justifying my past wrong choices as the best I could do at the time.



My choices since the election that I've made are fine as well. My life has improved 1000% percent in the last year, regardless of what's going on in politics.

Out of Trump and Hillary, voting for Trump was the best I could do at the time, and I'm not justifying anything. I'm not sorry that I voted for Trump.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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