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Friday, March 17, 2017 2:00 PM

G

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This should sound very familiar for many reasons and in many ways. Remember the article I posted about the fake sites coming from Macedonia? What's fascinating and scary is you can see similar behavior on both sides of many issues, whether it's Trump or anything that pulls in great interest.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-fake-news-russia_us
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Bernie Sanders’ Campaign Faced A Fake News Tsunami. Where Did It Come From?
The trolls set out to distract and divide the invigorated left.

WASHINGTON ? Last June, John Mattes started noticing something coursing like a virus through the Facebook page he helped administer for Bernie Sanders fans in San Diego. People with no apparent ties to California were friending the page and sharing links from unfamiliar sites full of anti-Hillary Clinton propaganda.

The stories they posted weren’t the normal complaints he was used to seeing as the Vermont senator and the former secretary of state fought out the Democratic presidential primary. These stories alleged that Clinton had murdered her political opponents and used body doubles.

Mattes, 66, had been a television reporter and Senate investigator in previous lives. He put his expertise in unmasking fraudsters to work. At first, he suspected that the sites were created by the old Clinton haters from the ‘90s ? what Hillary Clinton had dubbed “the vast right-wing conspiracy.”

But when Mattes started tracking down the sites’ domain registrations, the trail led to Macedonia and Albania. In mid-September, he emailed a few of his private investigator friends with a list of the sites. “Very creepy and i do not think Koch brothers,” he wrote.

Mattes and his friends didn’t know what to make of his findings. He couldn’t get his mind around the possibility that trolls overseas might be trying to sway a bunch of Southern Californians who supported Sanders’ run for president. “I may be a dark cynic and I may have been an investigative reporter for a long time, but this was too dark ? and too unbelievable and most upsetting,” he said. “What was I to do with this?”

By late October, Mattes said he’d traced 40 percent of the domain registrations for the fake news sites he saw popping up on pro-Sanders pages back to Eastern Europe. Others appeared to be based in Panama and the U.S., or were untraceable. He wondered, “Am I the only person that sees all this crap floating through these Bernie pages?”

He wasn’t. Bernie supporters across the country had been noticing dubious websites and posters linked back to Eastern Europe long before Mattes did ? and even before The Washington Post reported in mid-June that Russian government hackers had stolen emails from the Democratic National Committee. They had been warning each other that something weird was going on, posting troll alerts and compiling lists of fake news sites.

There is enough real news to fight over, they thought, without arguing over anti-Hillary conspiracy theories from Macedonia.

Bernie Sanders’ supporters started seeing fake news in early 2016.
Sometimes it was hard to tell who was doing the trolling and for what purposes. Aleta Pearce, 54, who lives in Malibu, California, was an administrator of half a dozen pro-Sanders Facebook groups and a member of many others. In May 2016, she posted a memo to various Facebook groups about the fake news issue, warning of bogus sites.

“The pattern I’m seeing is if a member is repeatedly posting articles that are only from one URL that person is just there to push advertising,” Pearce wrote. “They probably have a sock account with little to no content. They are often from Russia or Macedonia.” (A “sock” or “sock puppet” account uses a false identity to deceive.)

Pearce added, “Please share this with other Bernie groups so we can put an end to this spam bombing that’s filling up our pages and groups. It’s time to chase the mice out of the hen house and send them a message. They don’t know who they are messing with.”

The first tidal wave of spam was mostly anti-Bernie, Pearce recalled, posted by Clinton backers. (David Brock’s Clinton-backing super PAC had likely paid for some portion of those.) But after Clinton became the Democratic nominee in July, Pearce noticed a switch to anti-Hillary messages with links to fake news and to real news with obnoxious pop-up ads.

“Every site publishing those ? you clicked on the article, you would be slammed with ads and strange articles,” Pearce told HuffPost. “It was overwhelming. It was 24/7.”

She kept a list of fake news sites to watch for ? it grew into dozens. There were posts on the Clinton-has-Parkinson’s conspiracy and the Clinton-is-running-a-pedophilia-ring-out-of-a-pizza-shop conspiracy.

On the Sanders campaign, it was Hector Sigala’s job to connect with all the organic Facebook groups. He recalled seeing “a lot of trolls” try to convince people of something “that was obviously fake.”

Many of the interlopers, Sigala said, claimed to be Sanders fans who had decided to vote for GOP nominee Donald Trump or Green Party candidate Jill Stein in the general election and tried to convince others to do likewise. “It made it seem like the community as a whole was supporting that, but that wasn’t the case,” he said.

Sigala thinks most of them were just your average internet trolls. He said he found many were members of 4chan, a gathering place for the alt-right, white nationalists and plain old nihilists from which has sprung all manner of mischief.

The Sanders campaign had begun seeing this particular brand of fake news starting in early 2016. “The first time that we kind of fell for it, for like two minutes, was this link from what seemed to be ABC News,” Sigala said. It turned out to be ABC.com.co, a fake site that has no affiliation with the real news network. It had “reported” that the pope himself had endorsed Sanders.

It came in like a wave, like a tsunami. It was like a flood of misinformation.
Bev Cowling, who administered Facebook groups for Sanders supporters
In trying to wade through the flood of fake news, Sanders supporters had some serious trust issues. There was good reason to be skeptical of Clinton and the WikiLeaks dump of DNC emails was real, after all. But a steady diet of stories fabricated out of thin air can also feed into paranoia and flame wars.

Bev Cowling, 64, saw a sudden deluge of requests to join the Sanders Facebook groups she administered from her home in Toney, Alabama. All of a sudden, they were getting 80 to 100 requests to join each day. She and the other administrators couldn’t vet everyone, and the posts started getting bizarre. “It came in like a wave, like a tsunami,” she said. “It was like a flood of misinformation.”

Cowling, a retired postal worker, said some of her Facebook group members were ready to believe the bogus news links. “People were so anti-Hillary that no matter what you said, they were willing to share it and spread it,” she said. “At first I would just laugh about it. I would say, ‘C’mon, this is beyond ridiculous.’ I created a word called ‘ridiculosity.’ I would say, ‘This reeks of ridiculosity.’”

But Cowling got pushback. She was called a “Hillbot” and a Trump supporter. She ended up removing dozens of members who refused to stop pushing conspiracy theories. “I lost quite a few friends,” she said.

Matthew Smollon, a 34-year-old copy editor and page designer based in Knoxville, Tennessee, noticed an influx of posts linking to fake news as early as January 2016. So much of it, Smollon noticed, came from the same accounts. Almost all the sites he traced went back to Veles, Macedonia, which Wired magazine has since dubbed the “Fake News Factory to the World.” There wasn’t a single link he found that went to a pro-Clinton fake news story.

None of the fake stories stood out to Smollon. He described the Facebook groups as “being in a room filled with blasting televisions.” It was hard to pick out the loudest noises. “The ultimate goal of this wasn’t so much misinformation as distraction from valid info,” he concluded.

But Smollon had a hard time convincing other Bernie supporters that they were being played. “No one cared,” Smollon said. “At that point, you were a Hillary shill. It was like an echo chamber of anger.”

Even when pointing out that something like NBCPolitics.org was a fake site ? the real site is NBCNews.com/politics ? he drew criticism. He was eventually removed as a moderator from one of the pro-Sanders Facebook groups. “It’s the closest I’ve been to being gaslit in my life,” he said.

In June, Smollon posted a piece on Medium with the headline, “Dear Bernie Supporters: Stop sharing posts from dumpster fire websites.” He urged his fellow Sanders fans to wake up:

Guys, I sincerely love you. I love your passion. I love your fire. I love all of that. But when 400 people are circle-jerking clickbait links in between wondering how Hillary Clinton is behind the FEMA Earthquake drill that happens on several days with one of them being primary day?

Holy shit.

You are allowing yourselves to be manipulated. Through the practice of taking anything that agrees with your opinion at face value, actively refusing to believe anything but what agrees with your narrative and following that up with blatant disregard for doing two minutes of searching to verify the information: you become the myopic Trump supporter that you so vocally loathe.
Some people “liked” his Medium piece on Facebook and posted it on their walls, he said. Others did not. Smollon later updated his article to say he’d been banned from the group “Bernie Believers” because of it.

“This is a pretty solid case for admins/mods being part of the spam,” he wrote. “Not all of them obviously, but it only takes one person running with an ulterior motive to ensure the whole thing goes to shit.”


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Friday, March 17, 2017 4:01 PM

6STRINGJOKER


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Guys, I sincerely love you. I love your passion. I love your fire. I love all of that. But when 400 people are circle-jerking clickbait links in between wondering how Hillary Clinton is behind the FEMA Earthquake drill that happens on several days with one of them being primary day?

Holy shit.



That's an awesome post. lol

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Friday, March 17, 2017 6:24 PM

DREAMTROVE


lol.

That's just plain silly, Ray.

Macedonia and Russia have as much in common as the USA has with Guatemala.
Arianna Huffington's home country has been occupying half of Macedonia since WWII, so her comments on it are probably less valid than open Russian commentary on the US election and politics, available daily on RT.

Sure, I've posted countless stories on this forum from RT. That's because it's a good news source. So is Al Jazeera, as is the New Yorker and the Nation. What's not? IMHO. Huff. I'm sorry, it's over in lefty version of Zero Hedge. But how does that make lefties better than us, if you're reading the rants of some Greek nutter and her staff? Is that somehow more American?

Or liberal even? She's another any way the wind blow partisan. She was pretty right wing individual before there was more money in being a liberal.

But honestly, this was hogwash. If I were a Russian agent, why would I come here? Not just RWED/FFF but USA?

Essentially what you have is a piece saying "hackers hack" and then intentionally conflating Macedonia with Russia on the grounds they're on the same continent. Huff must think its readership are stoned..


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Friday, March 17, 2017 7:34 PM

6STRINGJOKER


I wonder if the Russians have been messing with FFF.net?

I'm still using this new ID because everytime I log into here they're still saying it's over an unsecure network.

My internet connection had dropped with this page up and when I reloaded I just happened to look up at the top and instead of saying that I was in "HOME/COMMUNITY/REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS" it said I was in "HOME/COMMUNITY/CHILLI'S BLOGS/BERZERKER ROOM".

What the shit Haken! lol... j/k


But srsly... what's going on here?

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Saturday, March 18, 2017 7:47 AM

G

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Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
That's just plain silly, Ray.

Macedonia and Russia have as much in common as the USA has with Guatemala.
Arianna Huffington's home country has been occupying half of Macedonia since WWII, so her comments on it are probably less valid than open Russian commentary on the US election and politics, available daily on RT.



Silly sock! The Internet... goes everywhere!

I'd point out this story http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=61384 but it looks like you read it and dismissed it already.

Not that it matters, but: Macedonia probably has more in common with Guatemala than we do.

In terms of hacking culture, Macedonia is Russia's little brother. I know! It's like a spy novel!

Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Sure, I've posted countless stories on this forum from RT. That's because it's a good news source. So is Al Jazeera, as is the New Yorker and the Nation.



rt.com is especially is great if you want to know what wikileaks is going to dump before wikileaks announces it. Wait a second... how would rt.com know what wikileaks has? Unless...

Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Huff. I'm sorry, it's over in lefty version of Zero Hedge. But how does that make lefties better than us, if you're reading the rants of some Greek nutter and her staff? Is that somehow more American?
Or liberal even? She's another any way the wind blow partisan. She was pretty right wing individual before there was more money in being a liberal.



So the information is bad because the source is "a Greek woman." I have not heard that insult before *puts in tool box.*

Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
But honestly, this was hogwash. If I were a Russian agent, why would I come here? Not just RWED/FFF but USA?



Honestly, Dream, it's freaky how there are times you sound exactly like SIGNYM. Who said anything about Russian trolls coming here, to FFF.net in that story or my comments? That's exactly how guilty SIGNYM has responded after hiding the cookies she pilfered. "What cookies?!? I have nom nom nom not don't no cookies have!" "Why would Putin send me here?" And yet, just as in that article, we all saw the same wave of Hillary bashing stories posted by SIGNYM -"She's a war hawk!" "She has Parkinson's!" "She's going to die in office!" It wasn't so much whether she was right or wrong as it was the timing. You could see the same comments hitting other web sites at the same time. She was so anxious to bash she tipped her hand. Doh! Doesn't matter though, her guy won. Don't hate the player, right?

And come to the USA? Who said anything about that? Like I mentioned: the Internet goes everywhere, even into your garage! I know - science fiction stuff, right? *what a stiff*

Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Essentially what you have is a piece saying "hackers hack" and then intentionally conflating Macedonia with Russia on the grounds they're on the same continent. Huff must think its readership are stoned..



Well, shoot - no. No conflation for that.

Hackers do indeed hack.

I wish I were stoned - this would be a lot more fun. Always. Keep. Weed. On. Hand.

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Saturday, March 18, 2017 9:16 AM

6STRINGJOKER


My car is 20 years old and I don't have a cell phone. The internet ain't getting into my garage anytime soon ;)


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Saturday, March 18, 2017 9:48 AM

THGRRI


The Yahoo hack is the clearest sign yet that Russia has merged criminal hacking with a larger mission

The indictment was the first time the US had charged Russian government officials with cyber crimes, offering the clearest sign yet that Russian intelligence officials are recruiting people to engage in criminal hacking — both for personal financial gain and to spy on targets ranging from Russian journalists to private-sector employees in the American financial and transportation sectors.

http://www.businessinsider.com/yahoo-hack-russia-hacking-2017-3

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Saturday, March 18, 2017 10:29 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh, I looked into this stupid thread.

My bad.



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Saturday, March 18, 2017 10:41 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, I looked into this stupid thread.

My bad.



Yeah... just another waste of time really.

Probably could have just been added to any one of 30 other conspiracy theory threads by the regulars in here.

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Saturday, March 18, 2017 7:31 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I just thought it was funny that SECOND would post this without the shock of self-recognition: "You are allowing yourselves to be manipulated. Through the practice of taking anything that agrees with your opinion at face value, actively refusing to believe anything but what agrees with your narrative and following that up with blatant disregard for doing two minutes of searching to verify the information: you become the myopic Trump supporter that you so vocally loathe. "




Originally posted by G:
I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago.

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Saturday, March 18, 2017 9:07 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I just thought it was funny that SECOND would post this without the shock of self-recognition: "You are allowing yourselves to be manipulated. Through the practice of taking anything that agrees with your opinion at face value, actively refusing to believe anything but what agrees with your narrative and following that up with blatant disregard for doing two minutes of searching to verify the information: you become the myopic Trump supporter that you so vocally loathe. "




I just thought it funny that when dreamtrove/sockpuppet are around, you are not.

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Saturday, March 18, 2017 9:22 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Originally posted by 1kiki:
I just thought it was funny that SECOND would post this without the shock of self-recognition: "You are allowing yourselves to be manipulated. Through the practice of taking anything that agrees with your opinion at face value, actively refusing to believe anything but what agrees with your narrative and following that up with blatant disregard for doing two minutes of searching to verify the information: you become the myopic Trump supporter that you so vocally loathe. "




Originally posted by G:
I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago.

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Sunday, March 19, 2017 2:07 AM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I just thought it was funny that SECOND would post this...



It's even funnier given that he didn't. Poor 'lil Kiki has no clue, just keeps typing anyway. Sad!

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Sunday, March 19, 2017 3:05 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


No it's funnier that YOU were the one who posted it, without even recognizing yourself.



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Sunday, March 19, 2017 8:37 AM

G

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
No it's funnier that YOU were the one who posted it, without even recognizing it.



My god you're desperate. Unlike you 2 - Mrs and Miss Attribute - I know what I post. Run along troll.

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Sunday, March 19, 2017 9:18 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
I just thought it funny that when dreamtrove/sockpuppet are around, you are not.



I have my doubts that they are the same person.

But what if....?

Oh my God! What if I'm a sockpuppet too?

And here I thought I was elbow deep up my own ass because it felt good. Well. Now that we've figured that out I guess I can go back to typing with both hands.... just as soon as I take a shower....

Thanks for setting me straight again T!

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Sunday, March 19, 2017 10:45 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


OMFG!

There I was, just sipping my morning coffee when ...

You owe me a keyboard SIX!





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Sunday, March 19, 2017 11:38 AM

6STRINGJOKER


No problem Sigs.

You can send the bill to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20500

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Sunday, March 19, 2017 3:54 PM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
And here I thought I was elbow deep up my own ass because it felt good.



Let us know when you find Sig.

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Sunday, March 19, 2017 3:58 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I guess KRAPO/THUGR is posting as GSTRING today.



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Sunday, March 19, 2017 4:45 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Wouldn't that be something if it turns out that all of us that are left posting here are actually just one crazy person?

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Sunday, March 19, 2017 4:56 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
And here I thought I was elbow deep up my own ass because it felt good.



Let us know when you find Sig.



OMFG!

There I was, just sipping my morning coffee when ...

You owe me a keyboard G

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Sunday, March 19, 2017 4:57 PM

THGRRI



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Sunday, March 19, 2017 4:57 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I think, therefor I am.

But what if all of this is nothing more than a dream? Why yes, you COULD be my sockpuppet! You could ALL be my sockpuppets! HA HA HA HA - I'm could be the ruler of the UNIVERSE!!!




Originally posted by G:
I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago.

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Sunday, March 19, 2017 5:01 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I think, therefor I am.




I have been here a while now and I've seen no evidence of that.

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Sunday, March 19, 2017 5:04 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



THUGGER admits he's a troll
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61371&p=1#1
024017

here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61329&p=3
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61343
and
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61366




Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
He's a Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Sunday, March 19, 2017 5:22 PM

THGRRI

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Sunday, March 19, 2017 5:46 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


THUGGER admits he's a troll
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61371&p=1#1
024017

here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61329&p=3
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61343
and
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61366




Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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