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Friday, July 7, 2017 9:43 AM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

6) Recently, various insiders at CNN have been caught on tape admitting that the "Russia" story is pure bullcrap. Since CNN's coverage is much like NYT and WaPo and MSNBC's, I presume that the others' coverage is the same bullcrap as CNN's.




That's several easily observed lies, but do go on, please smear our free press as much as possible. Jealous perhaps? Pro-Russia, Anti-America much?

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Friday, July 7, 2017 10:29 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Per the norm, GSTRING, when you have nothing on topic to say, you resort to personal attack. Inaccurate personal attack, at that. Tell me, son, how does it feel to be a reflexive troll?

First, please define "free press".

Second, please define "free speech".

Your lack of response will be demonstration that - as usual- you don't know what you're talking about. Literally. You use words that you can't explain, even to yourself.



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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Friday, July 7, 2017 10:30 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


BUMP

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Not only is there "no" evidence that Russia disseminated the DNC emails, there's pretty good evidence that they DIDN'T.

1) Julian Assange said it wasn't "Russians" who gave him the email files, but someone with legitimate access.

2) The email server itself STILL has not been turned over by the DNC to either the FBI or Robert Mueller. Why is that, Nancy?

3) The attribution to "Russia" was made by Crowdstrike, and private security firm with more "connections" to Hillary Clinton than Trump has to "Russia". Crowdstrike was funded by Dmitri Apelrovitch, who was funded by ant-Russian Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk, who was also a donor to Hillary Clinton's campaign.

4) Crowdstrike was the same firm who mis-attributed the Sony picture hack to N Korea.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-06/dnc-server-most-critical-evid
ence-proving-russian-hacking-being-withheld-mueller-why


5) Computer security experts (besides hubby) who are apparently more politically neutral have explained (on NPR, no less!) the difficulty in attributing anything to anybody. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=61747

6) Recently, various insiders at CNN have been caught on tape admitting that the "Russia" story is pure bullcrap. Since CNN's coverage is much like NYT and WaPo and MSNBC's, I presume that the others' coverage is the same bullcrap as CNN's.


This ongoing paranoia is incredible. A lot of people are going to feel really stupid.




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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Friday, July 7, 2017 10:38 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Trump is doing the political equivalent of this, and has been ever since Russian involvement with the hacking of the Democratic National Committee emails came to light and Trump said instead that it could have been a fat guy lying on his bed.



There is still no evidence that Russians hacked the emails.



There's plenty of evidence Putin did it. There's also plenty of evidence you don't have a brain. Holy shit Jack. You are the dumbest person on these threads. Rappy's a close second and then a few nuts like JSF. It's rather sad seeing you're all so clueless as to how the world works. And should work. Why, because you're all ideologues. Far right nuts.





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Friday, July 7, 2017 10:45 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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There's plenty of evidence Putin did it.- THUGR
An entire thread has been wasted trying to dredge up "evidens" to that point. So far, batting zero.

But hey! Feel free to come up with something nobody has come up with yet: solid "evidens" that Russia changed the vote outcome.


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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Friday, July 7, 2017 11:05 AM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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There's plenty of evidence Putin did it.- THUGR
An entire thread has been wasted trying to dredge up "evidens" to that point. So far, batting zero.

But hey! Feel free to come up with something nobody has come up with yet: solid "evidens" that Russia changed the vote outcome.




Lets be clear. Four American intelligence agencies gathered the evidence. The other 13 were then appraised of the intel. That's standard procedure. After reviewing it they were willing to sign off on it. The Director of National Intelligence then did so. They collectively found Putin guilty. That's good enough for me.

You being a Russian troll say there is no evidence despite this. You claim Americas' intelligence agencies findings are false. Why would anyone but a stupid, ( Jack ) give weight to your opinion? If you had any creditability here it waned years ago. Since my arrival you've been nothing more than an internet troll. Aside from climate change, there has been no honesty in your posts on any of the other topics you address. You're caught lying on a daily bases comrade. I have to believe that if you're such a mess here, you must be as much of a mess in your personal life as well. There's no way to separate your confused and false existence here from who you really are.

Don't think some of us here haven't noticed the subtle shift in your deflection. Now its not that Putin didn't hack and try to influence our elections. No, now it's he didn't influence the vote count. Eat shit comrade.






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Friday, July 7, 2017 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Per the norm, GSTRING, when you have nothing on topic to say, you resort to personal attack.



Per the norm, you were lying and I called you out. Sorry you're so thin skinned (just like your idol!). If you are going to post in RWED you should maybe toughen up a bit or stop whining so much? This place use to be REALLY HARSH - I don't think you could have survived if my pointing our your "alternative facts" bother you so much.



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Friday, July 7, 2017 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Lets be clear. Four American intelligence agencies gathered the evidence. The other 13 were then appraised of the intel. That's standard procedure. After reviewing it they were willing to sign off on it. The Director of National Intelligence then did so. They collectively found Putin guilty. That's good enough for me.

You being a Russian troll say there is no evidence despite this. You claim Americas' intelligence agencies findings are false. Why would anyone but a stupid, ( Jack ) give weight to your opinion? If you had any creditability here it waned years ago. Since my arrival you've been nothing more than an internet troll. Aside from climate change, there has been no honesty in your posts on any of the other topics you address. You're caught lying on a daily bases comrade. I have to believe that if you're such a mess here, you must be as much of a mess in your personal life as well. There's no way to separate your confused and false existence here from who you really are.

Don't think some of us here haven't noticed the subtle shift in your deflection. Now its not that Putin didn't hack and try to influence our elections. No, now it's he didn't influence the vote count. Eat sh!t comrade.







Let's also notice that they jump on the "Russia DID NOT hack... the DNC as a way to deflect from them having to acknowledge they did hack the election, an obviously far more serious crime.

Not to mention the seriously laughable idea (seriously dishonest as well) that some scifi fans of FF are going to have some *genuine evidence* sitting around to point to. That's what professional lawyers and investigators are doing - like a couple dozen of them employing even more people taking even more than a few days to conclude.

But then again, it doesn't care.

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Friday, July 7, 2017 12:52 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Lets be clear. Four American intelligence agencies gathered the evidence. The other 13 were then appraised of the intel. That's standard procedure. After reviewing it they were willing to sign off on it. The Director of National Intelligence then did so. They collectively found Putin guilty. That's good enough for me.

You being a Russian troll say there is no evidence despite this. You claim Americas' intelligence agencies findings are false. Why would anyone but a stupid, ( Jack ) give weight to your opinion? If you had any creditability here it waned years ago. Since my arrival you've been nothing more than an internet troll. Aside from climate change, there has been no honesty in your posts on any of the other topics you address. You're caught lying on a daily bases comrade. I have to believe that if you're such a mess here, you must be as much of a mess in your personal life as well. There's no way to separate your confused and false existence here from who you really are.

Don't think some of us here haven't noticed the subtle shift in your deflection. Now its not that Putin didn't hack and try to influence our elections. No, now it's he didn't influence the vote count. Eat sh!t comrade.







Let's also notice that they jump on the "Russia DID NOT hack... the DNC as a way to deflect from them having to acknowledge they did hack the election, an obviously far more serious crime.

Not to mention the seriously laughable idea (seriously dishonest as well) that some scifi fans of FF are going to have some *genuine evidence* sitting around to point to. That's what professional lawyers and investigators are doing - like a couple dozen of them employing even more people taking even more than a few days to conclude.

But then again, it doesn't care.

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You, myself and some others here, have witnessed SIG and 1kiki shift their stance on many topics debated in these threads. They've done so out of necessity as more and more evidence appeared that proved them wrong. This is just another example of it. They never will however, admit the Russians guilty of anything. No matter what the topic.







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Friday, July 7, 2017 1:11 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


G, let's recap this conversation, OK?

Quote:

6) Recently, various insiders at CNN have been caught on tape admitting that the "Russia" story is pure bullcrap. Since CNN's coverage is much like NYT and WaPo and MSNBC's, I presume that the others' coverage is the same bullcrap as CNN's.- SIGNY

That's several easily observed lies, but do go on, please smear our free press as much as possible. Jealous perhaps? Pro-Russia, Anti-America much? - G

OK, WHICH PARTS are lies?

Did not CNN's Bonifield say that the "Russia" coverage "could be bullshit" ... that he hasn't seen "good enough evidence to show that the president committed a crime" and that CNN was pursuing the "Russia" story "for ratings! ... Because it's ratings. Our ratings are incredible right now. My boss, I shouldn't say this, my boss yesterday we were having a discussion about this dental shoot and he was like I just want you to know what we're up against here. Just to give you some context, President Trump pulled out of the climate accords. For a day and a half we covered the climate accords. And the CEO of CNN [Jeff Zucker] said in our internal meeting, he said good job everybody covering the climate accords, but we're done with it. Let's get back to Russia.

Did not Bonifield disavow journalistic integrity with this little gem? But all the nice cutesy little ethics that used to get talked about in journalism school, you're just like, that's adorable. That's adorable. This is a business.

Did not CNN's Van Jones call the Russia-Trump narrative "a big nothing burger"?

Don't the WaPo and NYT cover the same "nothing burger" stories as CNN? Have you been able to provide even ONE named source for all of this hyperventilation? No, of course not.

Quote:

Per the norm, GSTRING, when you have nothing on topic to say, you resort to personal attack. Inaccurate personal attack, at that. Tell me, son, how does it feel to be a reflexive troll?
First, please define "free press".
Second, please define "free speech".
Your lack of response will be demonstration that - as usual- you don't know what you're talking about. Literally. You use words that you can't explain, even to yourself.- SIGNY

Per the norm, you were lying

And now, we get top see your utter lack of comprehension about evidence and conversations.

If you REALLY thought I had lied, what you would have said was...

You lied when you said fill in the blank. What really happened was fill in the blank. So, where did I "lie"? Be specific.

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and I called you out.
No, you trolled.

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Sorry you're so thin skinned (just like your idol!).- G
You mean, you?

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If you are going to post in RWED you should maybe toughen up a bit or stop whining so much? This place use to be REALLY HARSH - I don't think you could have survived if my pointing our your "alternative facts" bother you so much.- G
Ive been here a lot longer than you, son, the difference between now and then is that we actually used to discuss the topics more, and we didn't have as many liars like you.

Now, please define "free press" and after that define "free speech". You use those phrases but you probably can't even explain them.


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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Friday, July 7, 2017 1:11 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


G, let's recap this conversation, OK?

Quote:

6) Recently, various insiders at CNN have been caught on tape admitting that the "Russia" story is pure bullcrap. Since CNN's coverage is much like NYT and WaPo and MSNBC's, I presume that the others' coverage is the same bullcrap as CNN's.- SIGNY

That's several easily observed lies, but do go on, please smear our free press as much as possible. Jealous perhaps? Pro-Russia, Anti-America much? - G

OK, WHICH PARTS are lies?

Did not CNN's Bonifield say that the "Russia" coverage
Quote:

could be bullshit"
... that he hasn't seen
Quote:

good enough evidence to show that the president committed a crime
and that CNN was pursuing the "Russia" story
Quote:

"for ratings! ... Because it's ratings. Our ratings are incredible right now. My boss, I shouldn't say this, my boss yesterday we were having a discussion about this dental shoot and he was like I just want you to know what we're up against here. Just to give you some context, President Trump pulled out of the climate accords. For a day and a half we covered the climate accords. And the CEO of CNN [Jeff Zucker] said in our internal meeting, he said good job everybody covering the climate accords, but we're done with it. Let's get back to Russia.


Did not Bonifield disavow journalistic integrity with this little gem?
Quote:

But all the nice cutesy little ethics that used to get talked about in journalism school, you're just like, that's adorable. That's adorable. This is a business.


Did not CNN's Van Jones call the Russia-Trump narrative
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"a big nothing burger"
?

Don't the WaPo and NYT cover the same "nothing burger" stories as CNN? Do ANY of these "newspapers" provided even ONE named source for all of this hyperventilation? No, of course not.

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Per the norm, GSTRING, when you have nothing on topic to say, you resort to personal attack. Inaccurate personal attack, at that. Tell me, son, how does it feel to be a reflexive troll?
First, please define "free press".
Second, please define "free speech".
Your lack of response will be demonstration that - as usual- you don't know what you're talking about. Literally. You use words that you can't explain, even to yourself.- SIGNY

Per the norm, you were lying- G



Per the norm, you were trolling. You seem to think that insulting people and accusing/ insinuating nefarious things about them constitutes some sort of on-point discussion.

So now, we get to see your utter lack of comprehension about evidence and conversations. If you REALLY thought I had lied, what you would have said was...
You lied when you said fill in the blank. What really happened was fill in the blank.
So, where did I "lie"? Be specific and stop bullshitting.

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and I called you out.
No, you trolled.
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Sorry you're so thin skinned (just like your idol!).- G
More gratuitous trolling
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If you are going to post in RWED you should maybe toughen up a bit or stop whining so much? This place use to be REALLY HARSH - I don't think you could have survived if my pointing our your "alternative facts" bother you so much.- G
Even more gratuitous trolling.

Stick to the topic, if you can.

And now, please define "free press" and after that define "free speech". You use those phrases but you probably can't even explain them.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Friday, July 7, 2017 3:46 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Stick to my topic, for I demand that of you because of my self-perceptions of superior understanding or else I will respond in a manner that is too long for anyone but myself to read.

Trump — the dealmaker — got outplayed by Putin.

The problem is that Trump wasn’t prepared.

Trump barely had any notes or talking points heading into the meeting (he also didn’t have a hotel room, by the way). Putin, by contrast, came in ready to go as he famously does.

Putin reached into his suit jacket pocket, removed notecards listing perceived American sins against Russia, and read them one by one. Only then could the substantive discussions begin.

After the meeting, it seems like Putin got what he was looking for.

Trump bought the Kremlin’s denials of election meddling, even though the entire US intelligence community believes the Kremlin mounted a sophisticated campaign to help him win the White House.

Trump’s top aides have been hemming and hawing for days about whether Trump would use today’s high-profile meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin to hammer Moscow for its election meddling. Nope. Trump decided to back Putin and hammer the United States. According to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, Trump told Putin that some in the United States were “exaggerating” how much Russia affected the election’s outcome.

Final score: Putin 1, Trump 0
Trump bought Putin’s lies about Russian election meddling.
www.vox.com/world/2017/7/7/15937784/trump-putin-g20-meeting-outcome-sy
ria-election


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, July 7, 2017 5:52 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Az I expected, the 'meeting' wuz Putin making a few ajustments on hiz puppet to get him ready for the next act.

It may not be a good thing that Mueller iz keeping a lid on hiz investigation. I am worried that hiz good professional habits coud enable Putin to make bad stuff happen befor Meuller finishez dotting every i and crossing every t.

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Friday, July 7, 2017 6:04 PM

JO753

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Hey! If Trump iz going to pull a Snowden, now woud be a good time.

If he waits too long, they wont let him get away.

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Saturday, July 8, 2017 12:30 AM

6STRINGJOKER


lol.

I think you've watched one too many Bond flicks, Data.

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Saturday, July 8, 2017 7:14 AM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
lol.

I think you've watched one too many Bond flicks, Data.

There is evidence that some peculiar ideas of Russian origin are circulating inside Trump's mind. Against the advice of everybody loyal to the USA and competent to know if Russia hacked the election, Trump has sided with Putin on US election hacking.

To hear the Russians tell it, the president of the United States took Vladimir Putin’s word over the work of US intelligence agencies when it comes to whether Moscow meddled in the 2016 race for the White House.

During their lengthy meeting on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Hamburg, Germany, according to Russia’s foreign minister, Trump accepted Putin’s explanation that the Russia government did not interfere in the election. The US president also cast doubt on the credibility of his own government’s long-running investigation into Russian meddling, dismissing months of work by the US agencies—and the conclusions drawn by top officials Trump himself appointed.

“President Trump has said he has heard a clear declaration from Mr. Putin that the Russian government and Russian leadership has not interfered in the elections, and he accepts the things that Mr. Putin has said,” Sergey Lavrov told journalists on the sidelines of the summit on Friday, according to a translation provided by Sputnik, the Russian state new agency. Trump also told Putin that he has heard these allegations for “many months,” and that “not a single fact has been presented,” Lavrov said.

Lavrov also said that either Trump or US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson (he couldn’t remember) said the “campaign” about Russia’s alleged interference has taken on “a strange nature,” according to a report in Russian on RIA, another state-run news agency.

Lavrov’s statements haven’t been disputed by the Trump administration. They are likely to drive an even deeper wedge between the White House and the US intelligence community, even as the FBI and is investigating whether the Trump campaign or administration colluded with Russia to interfere in the election.

Trump’s continued assertion that any assertion that Russia meddled in the last US election is “fake news” have been publicly disputed by intelligence agencies and members of Congress.
https://qz.com/1024135

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, July 8, 2017 7:50 AM

G

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
G, let's recap this conversation, OK?

Quote:

6) Recently, various insiders at CNN have been caught on tape admitting that the "Russia" story is pure bullcrap. Since CNN's coverage is much like NYT and WaPo and MSNBC's, I presume that the others' coverage is the same bullcrap as CNN's.- SIGNY

That's several easily observed lies, but do go on, please smear our free press as much as possible. Jealous perhaps? Pro-Russia, Anti-America much? - G

OK, WHICH PARTS are lies?



You lie when you say "Cnn says the story is bullcrap" as if that means it's proof that CNN knows there's no collusion. You know this takes time, you know they couldn't possibly know everything yet, and yet you want to suggest one flip remark by a line producer shows the party is over, no collusion. You're pretty dumb sometimes, but not that dumb.

How long did it take to break Watergate? I expect a genuine answer from you.

You lie when you expect us to believe you believe anything from CNN, especially some line producer. You think CNN is either a puppet of the administration (during Obama's terms) or a puppet of the Deep State (Trump's term), but always a puppet full of sh*t.

You lie when you expect people to believe an off the cuff street hello by Van Jones is PROOF that there's no collusion. The question was "what's up this week... how about that Russia thing?" There was nothing happening that week and Van Jones isn't even one of their Russian talking heads. Even if he was and even if he did know some things, you lie when you expect Van Jones is going to be chatty with this acquaintance. The "nothing burger" was a complete brush off. But you expect us to believe that he would have given up all the details and all the connections to this almost stranger who he just happened to run into.

Like a lot of your attempted points and deflections, they are based on lies and obviously biased assumptions.

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Saturday, July 8, 2017 10:28 AM

6STRINGJOKER


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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
lol.

I think you've watched one too many Bond flicks, Data.

There is evidence that some peculiar ideas of Russian origin are circulating inside Trump's mind. Against the advice of everybody loyal to the USA and competent to know if Russia hacked the election, Trump has sided with Putin on US election hacking.

To hear the Russians tell it, the president of the United States took Vladimir Putin’s word over the work of US intelligence agencies when it comes to whether Moscow meddled in the 2016 race for the White House.

During their lengthy meeting on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Hamburg, Germany, according to Russia’s foreign minister, Trump accepted Putin’s explanation that the Russia government did not interfere in the election. The US president also cast doubt on the credibility of his own government’s long-running investigation into Russian meddling, dismissing months of work by the US agencies—and the conclusions drawn by top officials Trump himself appointed.

“President Trump has said he has heard a clear declaration from Mr. Putin that the Russian government and Russian leadership has not interfered in the elections, and he accepts the things that Mr. Putin has said,” Sergey Lavrov told journalists on the sidelines of the summit on Friday, according to a translation provided by Sputnik, the Russian state new agency. Trump also told Putin that he has heard these allegations for “many months,” and that “not a single fact has been presented,” Lavrov said.

Lavrov also said that either Trump or US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson (he couldn’t remember) said the “campaign” about Russia’s alleged interference has taken on “a strange nature,” according to a report in Russian on RIA, another state-run news agency.

Lavrov’s statements haven’t been disputed by the Trump administration. They are likely to drive an even deeper wedge between the White House and the US intelligence community, even as the FBI and is investigating whether the Trump campaign or administration colluded with Russia to interfere in the election.

Trump’s continued assertion that any assertion that Russia meddled in the last US election is “fake news” have been publicly disputed by intelligence agencies and members of Congress.
https://qz.com/1024135



I don't see anything here to even be concerned about.

We don't have any proof of Russian hacking or influencing. "17 agencies" you guys were quoting for a long time here turned out to be only some members of 4 agencies. To date, not a single shred of evidence has been given to the American public that this even took place at all.

If Trump does know otherwise because he's President, and he's privy to information that we're not, why would telling Putin he believed him mean that he was telling the truth to Putin? You haven't believed a single thing that Trump has said in 6 months. Why choose this thing?

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Saturday, July 8, 2017 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

I don't see anything here to even be concerned about.

You’re kind of hopeless about understanding, aren't you? You don’t want to know that your god is a gold-plated plastic idol because your future hopes would crash when Trump crashes.

On Jan. 6, the US director of national intelligence agencies issued a joint report (pdf) that said:

We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump.
www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

Top intelligence officials that Trump appointed himself have said publicly that Russia interfered in the US election in recent months. When the Senate Intelligence Committee held a public hearing (pdf) on the issue on May 11, Mark Warner, the Democrat from Virginia, asked agency heads to answer one question with a simple “Yes” or “No.”
www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/05/11/full-transcrip
t-acting-fbi-director-mccabe-and-others-testify-before-the-senate-intelligence-committee/?utm_term=.990f535a0e3d


Did they agree, Warner asked, that Jan. 6 report “accurately characterized the extent of Russian activities in the 2016 election and its conclusion that Russian intelligence agencies were responsible for the hacking and leaking of information and using misinformation to influence our elections?” Warner asked. (You can watch the question being posed at here at the 1:04:00 mark.)
www.intelligence.senate.gov/hearings/open-hearing-worldwide-threats-he
aring-0


Every single intelligence official testified “Yes”—including Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats and CIA director CIA Mike Pompeo, both Trump appointees.

“Russians have spread this across the globe,” Coats said then. “It’s a great threat to our democratic process.”

His boss apparently remains unconvinced.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, July 8, 2017 12:29 PM

6STRINGJOKER


What future hopes?

What God?

What are you talking about?

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Saturday, July 8, 2017 12:36 PM

6STRINGJOKER


It seems to me like we've gone from "THE RUSSIANS HACKED THE ELECTIONS!!!" to simply "The Russians influenced Americans by lowering their faith in the Democratic process".

Meanwhile, in Reality...

Nobody has trusted Congress for a VERY LONG TIME.

Even a very unpopular President usually has a higher approval rating than congress.

Hillary was a terrible candidate with A LOT of skeletons in her closet that were exposed.

The DNC colluded with Hillary, shut Bernie out, and even colluded with the MSM.




Seems to me like faith was already pretty low in the Democratic institutions in America before any supposed meddling by Russia.

It also seems to me like any faith that was given to them was misplaced.



If Russia did have any involvement in any of this, all they did was put light on some bad things being done.



Here's a tip. For politicians and the MSM.

Stop doing underhanded shit for a living, and then you can't be called out on doing underhanded shit for a living by 3rd parties.


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Saturday, July 8, 2017 6:04 PM

JO753

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Stop doing underhanded shit for a living, and then you can't be called out on doing underhanded shit for a living by 3rd parties.



I agree with you on that.

Now, if we can get peepl out uv their habit uv believing thingz bekuz its wut they want to hear, we coud finally start making progress.

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Saturday, July 8, 2017 8:35 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Stop doing underhanded shit for a living, and then you can't be called out on doing underhanded shit for a living by 3rd parties.



I agree with you on that.

Now, if we can get peepl out uv their habit uv believing thingz bekuz its wut they want to hear, we coud finally start making progress.



I agree with you on that too.

The only problem is who decides what the "Truth" is?

I think you and I probably agree on a majority of issues in real life, but we seem to be polar opposites on most of what gets discussed in here regularly these days.

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Sunday, July 9, 2017 5:42 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Now, if we can get peepl out uv their habit uv believing thingz bekuz its wut they want to hear, we coud finally start making progress.
Coming from you, that's ironic. When you have to modify a standard definition ("evidence") just to give speculation, accusation, and paranoia some sort of credibility, it's time to start looking at whether or not you're parting ways with reality.

There's only way way to determine who's version is closer to "the truth" and that's by examining evidence - REAL evidence, not just someone's say-so - closely. Piece by piece.

For example, I've asked GSTRING more than once to define what he means by Russian "hacking" because, IMHO, there is evidence that they might have done some information-gathering, but none at all that they took active measures to influence our 2016 election. I guess that's just too much reality for GSTRING, who can't be bothered with little "details" like how the DNC has yet to turn over its server to the FBI or the Mueller for examination.



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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Sunday, July 9, 2017 6:36 AM

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... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Now, if we can get peepl out uv their habit uv believing thingz bekuz its wut they want to hear, we coud finally start making progress.
Coming from you, that's ironic. When you have to modify a standard definition ("evidence") just to give speculation, accusation, and paranoia some sort of credibility, it's time to start looking at whether or not you're parting ways with reality.

There's only way way to determine who's version is closer to "the truth" and that's by examining evidence - REAL evidence, not just someone's say-so - closely. Piece by piece.

For example, I've asked GSTRING more than once to define what he means by Russian "hacking" because, IMHO, there is evidence that they might have done some information-gathering, but none at all that they took active measures to influence our 2016 election. I guess that's just too much reality for GSTRING, who can't be bothered with little "details" like how the DNC has yet to turn over its server to the FBI or the Mueller for examination.




You also asked me about your constant lying. Did you accidentally "skip" my response? - try again:

You lie when you say "Cnn says the story is bullcrap" as if that means it's proof that CNN knows there's no collusion. You know this takes time, you know they couldn't possibly know everything yet, and yet you want to suggest one flip remark by a line producer shows the party is over, no collusion. You're pretty dumb sometimes, but not that dumb.

How long did it take to break Watergate? I expect a genuine answer from you.

You lie when you expect us to believe you believe anything from CNN, especially some line producer. You think CNN is either a puppet of the administration (during Obama's terms) or a puppet of the Deep State (Trump's term), but always a puppet full of sh*t.

You lie when you expect people to believe an off the cuff street hello by Van Jones is PROOF that there's no collusion. The question was "what's up this week... how about that Russia thing?" There was nothing happening that week and Van Jones isn't even one of their Russian talking heads. Even if he was and even if he did know some things, you lie when you expect Van Jones is going to be chatty with this acquaintance. The "nothing burger" was a complete brush off. But you expect us to believe that he would have given up all the details and all the connections to this almost stranger who he just happened to run into.

Like a lot of your attempted points and deflections, they are based on lies and obviously biased assumptions.

I'll take your no response as an agreement that you know you lied.

And - I thought you lived in California? That would put your post at about 3 am PCT - huh (11am Moscow time).

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Sunday, July 9, 2017 6:46 AM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:

Now, if we can get peepl out uv their habit uv believing thingz bekuz its wut they want to hear, we coud finally start making progress.




Note latest post from SIGGY. Talk about a nothing burger with a side a fries and a large coke. She's just repeating herself. "Evidence, evidence, evidence..." over and over. A monkey could have posted it... OR someone looking to pad their stats. There's no point to posting it unless you just want a response. And the time stamp is hard to explain. Looking forward to her fiction skills.

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Sunday, July 9, 2017 7:32 AM

6STRINGJOKER


"Evidence?" bears repeating.

Been asking for it for months now.

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Sunday, July 9, 2017 8:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
What future hopes?

What God?

What are you talking about?

Are you not comprehending that Trump is a gold-plated plastic god? I'll give you an example from a real place in Ohio where the actual Trump is a fake President, only giving the appearance of reality without the substance. Here is the situation:

Given the scale of the opioid crisis, it’s not hard to understand why, when Trump promised Ohioans on the campaign trail to “spend the money” to confront the opioid crisis and build a wall so drugs would stop flowing in, locals in this historically blue county took notice. In late October, Trump became the first presidential candidate since John F. Kennedy to visit Ashtabula County. He promised to bring back jobs, to open the long-shuttered steel plants, to build the wall. Twelve days later, Ashtabula residents voted for a Republican president for the first time since Ronald Reagan in 1984.

Now here is where Trump reveals himself to be a plastic god:

1) The Trump wall between Mexico and Texas is not going to get finished in the next 8 years because Trump is not seriously pushing Congress to fund it. He still talks, this week, about Mexico's government paying for it. Such a joker! Remember the wall is for stopping drugs, not just Mexicans.

2) Steel production employment is not returning to 20th century levels because Trump will not outlaw steel made from scrape metal. (Scrape costs only $0.04-$0.065/lb.) Steel industry will not be switching back to making all steel from iron ore. Starting from ore requires twice as many employees compared to melting scrape iron.

In the next four point, Trump reveals himself to not even be gold-plated plastic. Instead, he is dipped in yellow:

3) Trump slashes funding for Medicaid, which is the country’s largest payer for addiction services—and which covers nearly half of Ohio’s prescriptions for the opioid addiction medication buprenorphine.

4) Trump’s 2018 budget proposes substantial cuts to the Administration for Children and Families,

5) cuts to the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration,

6) cuts to the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program.

www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/07/children-ohio-opioid-epidemic/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, July 9, 2017 8:48 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Don't be cute.

You said this to me:

Quote:

You’re kind of hopeless about understanding, aren't you? You don’t want to know that your god is a gold-plated plastic idol because your future hopes would crash when Trump crashes.


Explain yourself, or shut the fuck up.

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Sunday, July 9, 2017 9:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Don't be cute.

You said this to me:

Quote:

You’re kind of hopeless about understanding, aren't you? You don’t want to know that your god is a gold-plated plastic idol because your future hopes would crash when Trump crashes.


Explain yourself, or shut the fuck up.

Don't you remember bitching all last year about being dispirited and unemployed because Obama would not help you? I remember mocking you that Trump would be a failure if he does not get you a job in his first hundred days. Are you now employed? Or have you decided that working is overrated? Have you started early retirement? Or are you waiting for Trump's second term in office to begin before he starts making America great again in your county? If greatness doesn't arrive by the end of eight years, will you be disappointed? Or will you just shrug and say "That's politics"?

I almost forget about your where is the evidence? thingy that seems to be your comeback line to every question about Trump's competence.
Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
"Evidence?" bears repeating.

Been asking for it for months now.

And it is worth repeating that Trump did not provide his income tax returns, unlike every President and every candidate. That is evidence that Trump is hiding something criminal. But what, precisely?

If I were prosecuting Trump, I'd subpoena his returns as evidence. We've heard all of Trump's excuses: that it would be a lot of paper (I guess Trump knows nothing of electronic documents), that it would inconvenience him ( that is why he has an accountant), that it would give ammunition to his enemies, but there is no ammo if there is no criminal tax evasion.

There is the uncomfortable fact that President Trump can be prosecuted while in office when he breaks a Federal law. Ask Bill Clinton about perjury and Monica Lewinsky. Unlike voters, the law has little tolerance for lying sacks of shit, be it Bill or Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewinsky_scandal#Perjury_charges

Bill was also charged with obstruction of justice. Sounds like Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewinsky_scandal#Impeachment

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Sunday, July 9, 2017 10:49 AM

THGRRI


The special prosecutor is sill hiring staff, so the investigation is expanding.




Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Don't be cute.

You said this to me:

Quote:

You’re kind of hopeless about understanding, aren't you? You don’t want to know that your god is a gold-plated plastic idol because your future hopes would crash when Trump crashes.


Explain yourself, or shut the fuck up.

Don't you remember bitching all last year about being dispirited and unemployed because Obama would not help you? I remember mocking you that Trump would be a failure if he does not get you a job in his first hundred days. Are you now employed? Or have you decided that working is overrated? Have you started early retirement? Or are you waiting for Trump's second term in office to begin before he starts making America great again in your county? If greatness doesn't arrive by the end of eight years, will you be disappointed? Or will you just shrug and say "That's politics"?

I almost forget about your where is the evidence? thingy that seems to be your comeback line to every question about Trump's competence.
Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
"Evidence?" bears repeating.

Been asking for it for months now.

And it is worth repeating that Trump did not provide his income tax returns, unlike every President and every candidate. That is evidence that Trump is hiding something criminal. But what, precisely?

If I were prosecuting Trump, I'd subpoena his returns as evidence. We've heard all of Trump's excuses: that it would be a lot of paper (I guess Trump knows nothing of electronic documents), that it would inconvenience him ( that is why he has an accountant), that it would give ammunition to his enemies, but there is no ammo if there is no criminal tax evasion.

There is the uncomfortable fact that President Trump can be prosecuted while in office when he breaks a Federal law. Ask Bill Clinton about perjury and Monica Lewinsky. Unlike voters, the law has little tolerance for lying sacks of shit, be it Bill or Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewinsky_scandal#Perjury_charges

Bill was also charged with obstruction of justice. Sounds like Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewinsky_scandal#Impeachment







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Sunday, July 9, 2017 12:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
The special prosecutor is still hiring staff, so the investigation is expanding.

Mueller’s Empire: Legions of Lawyers, Bottomless Budget, Limitless Jurisdiction
https://amgreatness.com/2017/06/21/muellers-empire-legions-lawyers-bot
tomless-budget-limitless-jurisdiction
/

There's no timetable or deadline for the job and for someone like Mueller, the 2018 midterm elections are not going to be a factor. I do hope Mueller's investigation feels as uncomfortable for all Trump voters as would be a 36 month long hemorrhoidectomy. They deserve it plus the after-surgery complications and scars, too.
https://patient.info/forums/discuss/inquiry-into-scar-tissue-after-hem
orrhoidectomy-complications-519836


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Sunday, July 9, 2017 2:17 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


After weeks and weeks ... and pages and pages ...

... has any evidence come to light, yet?


Any evidence ... at all?




No?

Time to check out of this thread, then. Again. And put everyone here back on 'ignore'. Again.







Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Sunday, July 9, 2017 2:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
After weeks and weeks ... and pages and pages ...

... has any evidence come to light, yet?

Any evidence ... at all?

No?

Time to check out of this thread, then. Again. And put everyone here back on 'ignore'. Again.

You live in ignorance. You have always been a Know Nothing. Your kind of "Evidence" will only come from Robert Mueller, many months or years from now, but Mueller has already been accused of being biased by the GOP, which means there will never, never, never be evidence of anything to satisfy 1kiki.

Trump’s first public comments on meeting with Putin were on twitter, not the customary presidential news conference at the end of the Group of 20 summit meeting. Putin, however, broke with his normal practice of not speaking to reporters and held a lengthy news conference, in which he told reporters that Trump had “agreed” with his statements about there being no such thing as election interference.

Putin is not waiting for Mueller's final report. Putin has already declared himself and Trump innocent of everything. You have to take his word for truth because Putin will not be providing "evidence".

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, July 9, 2017 3:07 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

You live in ignorance. Your kind of "Evidence" will only come from Robert Mueller, many months or years from now ...
Our 'intelligence' agencies supposedly have SOME type of evidence for all their claims - wouldn't you agree? Then they could easily solve their credibility problem by releasing some of it. Because it's not like they're trying to hide it from Russia, Russia already knows what we know.

So, where's that evidence?


BTW, I fully expect you to not actually try to answer this question OR address my post.

Which is why I'm putting YOU SPECIFICALLY, SECOND-RATE, on 'laugh at' - again.




Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Sunday, July 9, 2017 5:02 PM

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... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
"Evidence?" bears repeating.

Been asking for it for months now.



Aaaaand I've been repeating for months, years even, that none of us have even the basic investigative resources that our local daily has for sussing out genuine "evidence." In all these years of hearing Kiki and Siggy whine for EVIDENCE they themselves, have never produced any. The closest they got was posting obviously 'shopped photos ala PirateNews.
Besides, as I have also said for years, if we produced something we thought was evidence you wouldn't read it, and Siki would just ignore, deny, deflect. So that's a dead end. You keep waiting though.

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Sunday, July 9, 2017 5:05 PM

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... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

You live in ignorance. Your kind of "Evidence" will only come from Robert Mueller, many months or years from now ...
Our 'intelligence' agencies supposedly have SOME type of evidence for all their claims - wouldn't you agree? Then they could easily solve their credibility problem by releasing some of it. Because it's not like they're trying to hide it from Russia, Russia already knows what we know.

So, where's that evidence?


BTW, I fully expect you to not actually try to answer this question OR address my post.

Which is why I'm putting YOU SPECIFICALLY, SECOND-RATE, on 'laugh at' - again.




Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


eh? Right before this post you said: "Time to check out of this thread, then. Again. And put everyone here back on 'ignore'. Again."

I call that Evidence of Kiki lying.

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Sunday, July 9, 2017 5:14 PM

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... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
After weeks and weeks ... and pages and pages ...

... has any evidence come to light, yet?

Any evidence ... at all?

No?

Time to check out of this thread, then. Again. And put everyone here back on 'ignore'. Again.

You live in ignorance. You have always been a Know Nothing. Your kind of "Evidence" will only come from Robert Mueller, many months or years from now, but Mueller has already been accused of being biased by the GOP, which means there will never, never, never be evidence of anything to satisfy 1kiki.

Trump’s first public comments on meeting with Putin were on twitter, not the customary presidential news conference at the end of the Group of 20 summit meeting. Putin, however, broke with his normal practice of not speaking to reporters and held a lengthy news conference, in which he told reporters that Trump had “agreed” with his statements about there being no such thing as election interference.

Putin is not waiting for Mueller's final report. Putin has already declared himself and Trump innocent of everything. You have to take his word for truth because Putin will not be providing "evidence".

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Their ignorance makes the most sense if you turn the lens and focus on: Kiggy is happy that Trump won because they wanted the worst for the US, and they got it. "Glee" is not a strong enough word for their feelings with Dump in the WH. It is the best Birthday, Christmas, Graduation Day ever for them. The US is being dragged down by their favorite president ever, just like they thought would happen! It. Worked! God bless Putin.
You cannot prove to them that Trump is bad. They know! That's why they wanted him! We're preaching to the bizarro choir.

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Sunday, July 9, 2017 5:39 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Don't be cute.

You said this to me:

Quote:

You’re kind of hopeless about understanding, aren't you? You don’t want to know that your god is a gold-plated plastic idol because your future hopes would crash when Trump crashes.


Explain yourself, or shut the fuck up.

Don't you remember bitching all last year about being dispirited and unemployed because Obama would not help you? I remember mocking you that Trump would be a failure if he does not get you a job in his first hundred days. Are you now employed? Or have you decided that working is overrated? Have you started early retirement? Or are you waiting for Trump's second term in office to begin before he starts making America great again in your county? If greatness doesn't arrive by the end of eight years, will you be disappointed? Or will you just shrug and say "That's politics"?

I almost forget about your where is the evidence? thingy that seems to be your comeback line to every question about Trump's competence.
Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
"Evidence?" bears repeating.

Been asking for it for months now.

And it is worth repeating that Trump did not provide his income tax returns, unlike every President and every candidate. That is evidence that Trump is hiding something criminal. But what, precisely?

If I were prosecuting Trump, I'd subpoena his returns as evidence. We've heard all of Trump's excuses: that it would be a lot of paper (I guess Trump knows nothing of electronic documents), that it would inconvenience him ( that is why he has an accountant), that it would give ammunition to his enemies, but there is no ammo if there is no criminal tax evasion.

There is the uncomfortable fact that President Trump can be prosecuted while in office when he breaks a Federal law. Ask Bill Clinton about perjury and Monica Lewinsky. Unlike voters, the law has little tolerance for lying sacks of shit, be it Bill or Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewinsky_scandal#Perjury_charges

Bill was also charged with obstruction of justice. Sounds like Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewinsky_scandal#Impeachment




I never said I was unemployed because "Obama did not help me". I challenge you to dig up that quote.

I DID say that Obama ruined the economy at double the pace that GWB was ruining it. Meanwhile, people like you and J0 are posting graphs from partisan websites showing how great Obama was for the working class which is just a laugh.



Yes. Show the evidence of Russian collusion. There isn't any yet. It's nothing but fodder for the 5 Minute Hate campaign the MSM has you puppets doing every single day. You should be asking for the proof as well.

Don't post any more bullshit about Trump being my "God". You sound like an idiot when you do that.

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Sunday, July 9, 2017 5:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Don't post any more bullshit about Trump . . .

Today's goddamn guilty confession out of Trump Junior's mouth:

Donald Trump Jr. was promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton before agreeing to meet with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign, according to three advisers to the White House briefed on the meeting and two others with knowledge of it.

Hmmm. That’s more interesting, but it’s still based on anonymous sources who may or may not have an axe to grind. The only way we’d know for sure is if Don Jr. fessed up to it, and what are the odds of—

In a statement on Sunday, Donald Trump Jr. said he had met with the Russian lawyer at the request of an acquaintance. “After pleasantries were exchanged,” he said, “the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton. Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information.”

He said she then turned the conversation to adoption of Russian children….“It became clear to me that this was the true agenda all along and that the claims of potentially helpful information were a pretext for the meeting,” Mr. Trump said.

OK then. Whether it was a pretext or not, the Trump folks really did take the meeting in hopes that a very plugged-in Russian lawyer could deliver some dirt on Hillary Clinton. This is hardly proof of collusion, but it certainly moves things a little further in that direction.

The Trump White House has been asked over and over about meetings between campaign aides and Russian nationals. This certainly counts, but they they didn’t reveal it even to the government until recently, and didn’t disclose it publicly until the Times forced them to. Even then, Don Jr. insisted that the meeting was only about Russian adoptions until the Times once again forced him to admit that it had actually been arranged based on promises of Russian info about Hillary Clinton.

This kind of prevarication is what keeps this scandal going. Team Trump keeps swearing they’ve disclosed everything and there’s no there there. Then it turns out there’s something else. Then they lie about that something else until someone forces the truth out of them. This is not how innocent people act.

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Sunday, July 9, 2017 6:33 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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You live in ignorance. Your kind of "Evidence" will only come from Robert Mueller, many months or years from now ...
Our 'intelligence' agencies supposedly have SOME type of evidence for all their claims - wouldn't you agree? Then they could easily solve their credibility problem by releasing some of it. Because it's not like they're trying to hide it from Russia, Russia already knows what we know.

So, where's that evidence?


BTW, I fully expect you to not actually try to answer this question OR address my post.

Trump will be trying to stop election hacking by working with Putin.

The announcement stunned lawmakers from both parties, with Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham describing it as “pretty close” to the “dumbest idea I’ve ever heard.” Graham also blasted Trump for his continued refusal to acknowledge the Russian hacking campaign.

“He is literally the only person I know of who doesn’t believe Russia attacked our election in 2016,” Graham said on NBC News’s “Meet the Press.”

Graham does not know 1kiki.

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Sunday, July 9, 2017 6:37 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Now, if we can get peepl out uv their habit uv believing thingz bekuz its wut they want to hear, we coud finally start making progress.- JO

Coming from you JO, that's ironic. When you have to modify a standard definition ("evidence") just to give speculation, accusation, and paranoia some sort of credibility, it's time to start looking at whether or not you're parting ways with reality.
There's only [one] way to determine who's version is closer to "the truth" and that's by examining evidence - REAL evidence, not just someone's say-so - closely. Piece by piece.

For example, I've asked GSTRING more than once to define what he means by Russian "hacking" because, IMHO, there is evidence that they might have done some information-gathering, but none at all that they took active measures to influence our 2016 election. I guess that's just too much reality for GSTRING, who can't be bothered with little "details" like how the DNC has yet to turn over its server to the FBI or the Mueller for examination. - SIGNY

You also asked me about your constant lying.- GSTRING

Reflexive trolling and more lying from GSTRING.

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Did you accidentally "skip" my response? - try again:

You lie when you say "Cnn says the story is bullcrap" as if that means it's proof that CNN knows there's no collusion.- GSTRING

Good lord, GSTRING! You're raving at the voices in your head.

Where did I say that CNN's admission of bullcrap stories means that Trump is innocent?? The answer is: Nowhere.

But what it DOES mean is that the geyser of anonymous accusations that you, JO, SECOND, etc have pointed to as "evidence" has turned into a self-admitted spewing gusher of BULLSHIT.

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You know this takes time, you know they couldn't possibly know everything yet, and yet you want to suggest one flip remark by a line producer shows the party is over, no collusion. You're pretty dumb sometimes, but not that dumb.- GSTRING
YOU KNOW THIS TAKES TIME, YOU KNOW THEY COULDN'T POSSIBLY KNOW EVERYTHING, AND YET YOU WANT TO CONVICT TRUMP BEFORE THEY'VE EVEN COLLECTED EVIDENCE.

You're starting out, clearly, with the idea that Trump is guilty. It doesn't matter to you how good the evidence is, or how poor, all YOU'RE looking for is justification for your predetermined conclusion.

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How long did it take to break Watergate? I expect a genuine answer from you.
A long time. And curiously, Nixon didn't order the break-in or even the initial cover-up. How long did it take Ken Starr to worm his way from Whitewater to Monica?

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You lie when you expect us to believe you believe anything from CNN, especially some line producer. You think CNN is either a puppet of the administration (during Obama's terms) or a puppet of the Deep State (Trump's term), but always a puppet full of sh*t.
CNN is a puppet of the deep state, no matter WHO is President.

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You lie when you expect people to believe an off the cuff street hello by Van Jones is PROOF that there's no collusion.
Again, you're raving to the voices in your head. I expected you to put all of these "anonymous" stories on marinade FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. Not because it was about "Trump" or "Russia" but because that's simply responsible news consumption. EVERY media outlet has a POV. You can't believe ANY of them, and especially not anonymous shit that gets tossed against your monitor just to see what sticks in your brain.

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The question was "what's up this week... how about that Russia thing?" There was nothing happening that week and Van Jones isn't even one of their Russian talking heads. Even if he was and even if he did know some things, you lie when you expect Van Jones is going to be chatty with this acquaintance. The "nothing burger" was a complete brush off. But you expect us to believe that he would have given up all the details and all the connections to this almost stranger who he just happened to run into.
No, I don't. Again, you're raving to the voices in your head.

First of all, you keep posting
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you expect us to believe
. You can't possibly know what I expect, IF ANYTHING. And considering how often I have said you should NOT "believe" ... yanno, if you could frame your thoughts without ever referencing "belief" or "trust" that would be helpful.

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Like a lot of your attempted points and deflections, they are based on lies and obviously biased assumptions. -GSTRING
Again, you're speaking to the voices in your head.

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I'll take your no response as an agreement that you know you lied.
Uh huh.

Say, what about the questions that I asked you - you know, like what do you mean by "hacking"?

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And - I thought you lived in California? That would put your post at about 3 am PCT - huh (11am Moscow time).
I don't sleep well. I have an unfortunate habit of waking up at stupid-o-clock in the morning, which I developed when I was taking care of critically ill people. But yanno, thanks for reminding me how badly I sleep.


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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Sunday, July 9, 2017 6:50 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Yanno, GSTRING, JO ... I have more respect for SECOND than for you. SECOND makes no pretense of being objective or fair. It's clear that SECOND hates Trump with every fiber of his being, and want to see him burn in hell (or the secular equivalent) without referencing any of the baggage that you call "evidence".

Why don't you just give up the pretense of being at all "real world" and just go to straight ranting partisanship? At least we wouldn't have to deal with the sight of you turning your brains inside out trying to fit that square peg into a round hole?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Sunday, July 9, 2017 6:58 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Their ignorance makes the most sense if you turn the lens and focus on: Kiggy is happy that Trump won because they wanted the worst for the US, and they got it. "Glee" is not a strong enough word for their feelings with Dump in the WH. It is the best Birthday, Christmas, Graduation Day ever for them. The US is being dragged down by their favorite president ever, just like they thought would happen! It. Worked! God bless Putin.
You cannot prove to them that Trump is bad. They know! That's why they wanted him! We're preaching to the bizarro choir.

Oh wow, GSTRING has.truly.lost.it. Holy crap, what a bizarre stew of hate, frustration, and paranoia.

I know I told you to just jump into ranting partisanship, but this is a worrisome emotional breakdown on your part. Take a deep breath and step away for a while. Please, recover yourself.


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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Sunday, July 9, 2017 7:11 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Don't post any more bullshit about Trump . . .




I don't read the rest of your post when you learned how to use ellipses at the school of CNN and motherjones.com.

Try again.

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Sunday, July 9, 2017 7:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yanno, GSTRING, JO ... I have more respect for SECOND than for you. SECOND makes no pretense of being objective or fair. It's clear that SECOND hates Trump with every fiber of his being, and want to see him burn in hell (or the secular equivalent) without referencing any of the baggage that you call "evidence".

Why don't you just give up the pretense of being at all "real world" and just go to straight ranting partisanship? At least we wouldn't have to deal with the sight of you turning your brains inside out trying to fit that square peg into a round hole?



That just about sums things up.

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yanno, GSTRING, JO ... I have more respect for SECOND than for you. SECOND makes no pretense of being objective or fair. It's clear that SECOND hates Trump with every fiber of his being, and want to see him burn in hell (or the secular equivalent) without referencing any of the baggage that you call "evidence".

Not to be all epistemological, but "evidence" that Putin hacked Trump's election could be faked by anybody because the "evidence" would only be log files full of text about times, dates, URL's. Unless the hackers are working for Hollywood, there will be no physical evidence such as video of a Russian hacker at his keyboard and the CIA stealing that keyboard with fingerprints and showing it on TV to Trump.

You and Trump either believe what the intelligence agencies wrote about hacking, which requires trust, or else you and Trump have decided that nothing can be known about any kind of hacking in any kind of situation unless you did the hacking yourself. Only then would you know the hacking actually happened, assuming somebody hasn't rewritten your hacking memory using sci-fi tech.

www.intelligence.senate.gov/publications/assessing-russian-activities-
and-intentions-recent-us-elections
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On December 9, 2016, President Barack Obama directed the Intelligence Community to conduct a full review and produce a comprehensive intelligence report assessing Russian activities and intentions in recent U.S. elections. We have completed this report and briefed President Obama as well as President-elect Trump and Congressional leadership. We declassified a version of this report for the public, consistent with our commitment to transparency while still protecting classified sources and methods.

The Intelligence Community did not make an assessment of the impact that Russian activities had on the outcome of the 2016 election, and DHS assesses that the types of systems the Russian actors targeted or compromised were not involved in vote tallying.

This declassified version of the report is being released to the public and can be accessed via IC on the Record.



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Sunday, July 9, 2017 7:53 PM

JO753

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Originally posted by G:

Note latest post from SIGGY. Talk about a nothing burger with a side a fries and a large coke. She's just repeating herself. "Evidence, evidence, evidence..." over and over. A monkey could have posted it... OR someone looking to pad their stats. There's no point to posting it unless you just want a response. And the time stamp is hard to explain. Looking forward to her fiction skills.



The stratejy iz to try to 'bury' the evidens we'v posted. Anybody not alredy involved in this thred will hopefully skip to the latest newz insted uv starting at the beginning. Churn churn churn! Bild up the paje count az fast az they can! That alone helps discouraj new readerz, kuz they will think 'too much catching up to do' and pik a fresh thred insted.

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Sunday, July 9, 2017 8:13 PM

JO753

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The latest coverup plan iz to provide bogus BIG SCOOP info to the real newz media outlets and then debunk it. It wuz dun to Dan Rather during the Bush admin.

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/340978-maddow-warns-other-media-of-f
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Originally posted by JO753:

The stratejy iz to try to 'bury' the evidens we'v posted. Anybody not alredy involved in this thred will hopefully skip to the latest newz insted uv starting at the beginning. Churn churn churn! Bild up the paje count az fast az they can! That alone helps discouraj new readerz, kuz they will think 'too much catching up to do' and pik a fresh thred insted.

My Grandmother denied that Buzz Aldrin landed on the moon. She'd say that every year that passes without another landing is "evidence" the first landing was fake. Touching the Saturn booster at Johnson Space Center did not change her belief. The moon rocks on display could have been earth rocks according to her. The Lunar lander and Apollo capsule had to be fake because she wasn't allowed to touch those. I see that Buzz is amused by Trump:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_Aldrin#Bart_Sibrel_incident
If you want to believe that moon landings or Russian hackings never happened, the "evidence" won't change your mind.

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