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Friday, July 14, 2017 5:25 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Yes, there are all kinds of wonderful ideas out there. But progress will be incremental, not found in one technical solution or implemented by one entity. We will not avoid global warming - Since we're already experiencing it, that option is closed. The only issue is: how much? When? And are we preparing for it?

If it's really as critical as all that, SECOND, you might want to rethink the whole concept of carbon sequestration for your ranching operations. I know it's expensive, but how about being part of the solution instead of part of the problem? You could contact the Nature Conservancy, they have had great success in helping ranchers improve their operations.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Friday, July 14, 2017 6:06 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yes, there are all kinds of wonderful ideas out there. But progress will be incremental, not found in one technical solution or implemented by one entity. We will not avoid global warming - Since we're already experiencing it, that option is closed. The only issue is: how much? When? And are we preparing for it?

If it's really as critical as all that, SECOND, you might want to rethink the whole concept of carbon sequestration for your ranching operations. I know it's expensive, but how about being part of the solution instead of part of the problem? You could contact the Nature Conservancy, they have had great success in helping ranchers improve their operations.

There is no way in hell I'll sacrifice myself for the good of planet Earth while all the neighboring ranches do the exact opposite and cancel everything out.

I was thinking more along the path of at least two Manhattan Project size projects:

1) Build a climate change computer model that politicians will believe. So long as they can convince themselves that the worst that could happen isn't so bad, they will spend not enough on climate change in the USA.

2) Get the best battery banks in the world built. It will be no more expensive than building, say, 30,000 H-bombs which was rather a futile effort and it sure would be more useful. Besides, it will create jobs. See John Goodenough.
www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a25536/inventor-lithium-ion-ba
ttery-invented-another-battery
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, July 14, 2017 9:16 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So, basically ...

1) "I'd cut off my nose to spite my face.", and ...

2) "I'm as Republican as the next guy because I let them determine my behavior".

SECOND, your GOP neighbor cannot "undue" what you do. If you sequester five tons of carbon dioxide per year, that's five tons of carbon dioxide per year, irrespective of what your neighbor does or doesn't do. In addition, you can gain MONETARY benefits because your ranches can become more productive; perhaps you can even make then available for private-party hunting (fees) or tourism, for example. You really should look into it; there may be more in it for you than you imagine.

I agree that individual action is not a substitute for collective action; "Hitler would not have been stopped by dumpster-diving". OTOH, if you can set a good example, particularly if it makes money for you, you might be able to motivate others to do similarly.

I personally carry on my passion for the environment personally (individual action like recycling); professionally (thru my choice of employment); collectively through interest groups; and politically through advocacy, voting, and direct support of specific politicians. The actions aren't mutually exclusive, you know.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Friday, July 14, 2017 10:18 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, basically ...

1) "I'd cut off my nose to spite my face.", and ...

2) "I'm as Republican as the next guy because I let them determine my behavior".

SECOND, your GOP neighbor cannot "undue" what you do. If you sequester five tons of carbon dioxide per year, that's five tons of carbon dioxide per year, irrespective of what your neighbor does or doesn't do. In addition, you can gain MONETARY benefits because your ranches can become more productive; perhaps you can even make then available for private-party hunting (fees) or tourism, for example. You really should look into it; there may be more in it for you than you imagine.

I agree that individual action is not a substitute for collective action; "Hitler would not have been stopped by dumpster-diving". OTOH, if you can set a good example, particularly if it makes money for you, you might be able to motivate others to do similarly.

I personally carry on my passion for the environment personally (individual action like recycling); professionally (thru my choice of employment); collectively through interest groups; and politically through advocacy, voting, and direct support of specific politicians. The actions aren't mutually exclusive, you know.

Basically, you have a false behavioral model of me in your mind. I refuse to turn my life upside down to become a better Democrat. I live in Texas, cash natural gas royalty checks, kill animals with guns, and I am the 1%. The GOP should be my party by my nature, but it is not since I deviate by voting only for Democrats. You, on the other hand, are living the life, approximately, of an environmentally concerned Democrat. Maybe you should become an actual Democrat and I should vote for Trump the Incompetent Loudmouth Liar in 2020? Then the life we live would be more consistent with our votes.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, July 15, 2017 7:26 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Basically, you have a false behavioral model of me in your mind. I refuse to turn my life upside down to become a better Democrat. I live in Texas, cash natural gas royalty checks, kill animals with guns, and I am the 1%. The GOP should be my party by my nature, but it is not since I deviate by voting only for Democrats.
Basically, you're a Republican.

If you truly thought that all of the things that you gripe about endlessly were REAL problems, you've be interested in doing something about them. But since that might conflict with your lifestyle, you've made carping endlessly about all things GOP your life's (pointless) mission instead.

Now, I don't know WHY you have such an emotional grotch against the GOP - clearly, you're not trying to solve real-world problems (Maybe they're white and you're Hispanic? Maybe you're feeling guilty about unearned privilege? Maybe you're rebelling against family tradition?) but you're substituting useless action instead of engaging in anything meaningful which might cramp your lifestyle.

Quote:

You, on the other hand, are living the life, approximately, of an environmentally concerned Democrat. Maybe you should become an actual Democrat and I should vote for Trump the Incompetent Loudmouth Liar in 2020? Then the life we live would be more consistent with our votes.- SECOND
And clearly, you don't pay the least bit of attention to anyone but yourself. As I've said .... oh, probably an dozen times by now ... I actually AM a registered Democrat, and voted Democrat nearly all of the time, except when I voted Green, or for Trump.

And I DO think that we face real problems, which I'm actually doing something about.

Now, the liberals here might wonder why I, a committed environmentalist, would vote for Trump, and the reason is that the Democratic leadership fully abandoned its principles about 30 years ago, and they deserve to fail.

-----------

"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Saturday, July 15, 2017 8:20 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Now, I don't know WHY you have such an emotional grotch against the GOP - clearly, you're not trying to solve real-world problems (Maybe they're white and you're Hispanic? Maybe you're feeling guilty about unearned privilege? Maybe you're rebelling against family tradition?) but you're substituting useless action instead of engaging in anything meaningful which might cramp your lifestyle.

And clearly, you don't pay the least bit of attention to anyone but yourself. As I've said .... oh, probably an dozen times by now ... I actually AM a registered Democrat, and voted Democrat nearly all of the time, except when I voted Green, or for Trump.

And I DO think that we face real problems, which I'm actually doing something about.

Now, the liberals here might wonder why I, a committed environmentalist, would vote for Trump, and the reason is that the Democratic leadership fully abandoned its principles about 30 years ago, and they deserve to fail.

Hey, Signym, I call bullshit on your explanation of your vote for Trump. You and 1kiki said that Hillary would cause WWIII with Russia. I think your prediction was silly, but at least it was a real explanation for you voting Trump 2016.

But if you think that “Democratic leadership fully abandoned its principles” you are fully nuts. You lost touch with the GOP reality, Signym:

Did Senator Ted Cruz (TX GOP) understand the problems with his amendment when he dreamed it up, but didn’t care? Or did he just not bother to check with anyone who understood health policy before he proposed it? It’s the eternal conundrum: Are Republicans Evil or Stupid?
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/07/health-insurers-have-finally-ha
d-enough
/

Or this Republican opinion piece about killing Social Security. Is the Republican argument against Social Security simply evil or stupid?
www.msn.com/en-us/money/retirement/opinion-why-its-time-to-kill-social
-security/ar-BBEpoXW?ocid=spartanntp


Signym, when you voted for Trump in order to protect the world from Hillary, you also got every rotten GOP scoundrel's policy along with every bad action in Trump’s past. As a special bonus, you got Mike Pence and Trump’s inability to focus on any problem bigger or other than his family & business empire.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, July 15, 2017 11:26 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Hey, Signym, I call bullshit on your explanation of your vote for Trump. You and 1kiki said that Hillary would cause WWIII with Russia. I think your prediction was silly, but at least it was a real explanation for you voting Trump 2016.

But if you think that “Democratic leadership fully abandoned its principles” you are fully nuts. You lost touch with the GOP reality, Signym:

Hey SECOND, I know all about the GOP, and it's various conflicting wings ... the social conservatives/ religious right; the libertarian/ Tea Party faction; the big money/ globalist wing; the neocon/ Armageddonist group; and the white supremacist flavors.

Trump isn't fully a Republican, because he was willing to speak against the powerful wing of the GOP, which is the neocon/ globalist faction.

But the DEMOCRATS have ALSO fallen in with the globalists/ interventionists/ neocons/ big money group ... show me how they haven't, I'll bet you can't ... and as such did not offer a real choice for the biggest problems that we face.

I could not have stood one more year of "more of the same or worse" under Hillary. She offered increasing wealth inequity, more "free trade" agreements, fewer jobs, stricter copyright/ patent enforcement, more GMOs, higher pharma prices, more illegal aliens, more war ... what was the upside there? Transgender bathrooms?

Yah, I know- doing something about the big problems might cramp your lifestyle.



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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Monday, July 17, 2017 2:25 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Imagine that! We are now getting unbiased "news items" from Sputnik and Info Wars.....Fucking Info Wars - the epitome of FAKE News. Just think folks, we can now expect little green men from Mars to land in the National Park in Washington.

By the way, I once thought that what you meant by Deep State, was the football team
playing in the Delaware Water Gap.

Rah, rah, rah! Sisk BOOM Bah! Deep State, Deep State, Woo!


SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If the MSM had actually gotten to a pale representation of the facts through some internal process, you might have a point. But this "news item", like so many others in CNN, WaPo, and NYT, was an unverified leak from yet another anonymous source, which CNN happily published without (apparently) even the simplest of verifications.

A process, I might add, that you support through your uncritical swill-swallowing, echoing, and your constant attacks on alternate sources and alternate PsOV.

BTW- Sputnik News and InfoWars - both of which you have constantly impugned as "biased" - were the ones who brought this inaccuracy to light. So suck it, you stupid deep-state trolls. CNN just got its ass handed to it; this isn't a "victory" for the MSM no matter how you try to spin it.

As an aside: The "journalism" behind the original story was so gorram shoddy that it probably put CNN at risk of a major libel suit, or worse. This the only time I've even seen such a thorough climb-down by a major "news" organization. Usually, the journalist resigns but the editor just blithely sails on. The subject of the libelous reporting - Scaramucci- can afford to be forgiving; after all, just look at CNN whittling all over itself trying to get out of trouble.



-----------

"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one



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Monday, July 17, 2017 7:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Hey, Signym, I call bullshit on your explanation of your vote for Trump. You and 1kiki said that Hillary would cause WWIII with Russia. I think your prediction was silly, but at least it was a real explanation for you voting Trump 2016.

But if you think that “Democratic leadership fully abandoned its principles” you are fully nuts. You lost touch with the GOP reality, Signym:

Hey SECOND, I know all about the GOP, and it's various conflicting wings ... the social conservatives/ religious right; the libertarian/ Tea Party faction; the big money/ globalist wing; the neocon/ Armageddonist group; and the white supremacist flavors.

Trump isn't fully a Republican, because he was willing to speak against the powerful wing of the GOP, which is the neocon/ globalist faction.

But the DEMOCRATS have ALSO fallen in with the globalists/ interventionists/ neocons/ big money group ... show me how they haven't, I'll bet you can't ... and as such did not offer a real choice for the biggest problems that we face.

I could not have stood one more year of "more of the same or worse" under Hillary. She offered increasing wealth inequity, more "free trade" agreements, fewer jobs, stricter copyright/ patent enforcement, more GMOs, higher pharma prices, more illegal aliens, more war ... what was the upside there? Transgender bathrooms?

Yah, I know- doing something about the big problems might cramp your lifestyle.

Signym, once again I realize you are impractical (I was going to write "insane" but that is inflammatory rhetoric). You actually believed Trump wasn't as Republican as any of the other candidates! There was plenty of proven incidences to demonstrate he is a world-class conman. I think if you objectively look at his first 6 months governing, he disproved your belief in him as different from other Republicans. Or simply look at Trump as cheerleader for the Senate's version of Trumpcare.

The Democratic party is NOT as bad as the GOP. The different parts of the Democratic party range from good to bad. Republicans range from bad to evil in my opinion.

Since the Constitution unintentionally makes impossible a three or four party system sharing control of the Federal government, your only real choice is D or R when you vote for Congress or President. You can't get to President Jill Stein of the Green Party. The Constitution makes that outlandish. Don't tell that to Ralph Nader or Noam Chomsky because they still hope for an alternative and they will talk your ears off explaining that it is possible if only the "people" realize they have the power to change the world. The "people" didn't write the first Constitution that got us into this mess and they won't be writing the next constitution fixing the disastrous flaws, either.

And your predictions (not made today, but made several times in the past) that Hillary would start WWIII are unbelievable.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, July 17, 2017 10:01 AM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
The Democratic party is NOT as bad as the GOP. The different parts of the Democratic party range from good to bad. Republicans range from bad to evil in my opinion.

Since the Constitution unintentionally makes impossible a three or four party system sharing control of the Federal government, your only real choice is D or R when you vote for Congress or President. You can't get to President Jill Stein of the Green Party. The Constitution makes that outlandish. Don't tell that to Ralph Nader or Noam Chomsky because they still hope for an alternative and they will talk your ears off explaining that it is possible if only the "people" realize they have the power to change the world. The "people" didn't write the first Constitution that got us into this mess and they won't be writing the next constitution fixing the disastrous flaws, either.

And your predictions (not made today, but made several times in the past) that Hillary would start WWIII are unbelievable.




Yes, yes, and very yes.

"The people" will not do anything of much substance - most of them couldn't even be bothered to vote in one of the most important, radical elections of their time. Can't count on the people.

Siggy and Kiggy don't really believe Hillary was going to start WWIII. That's a convenient lie. There might be a slim chance that they believed had she won, Putin would have started WWIII. Otherwise, it's just another weak bogey man to cover their support for Trump.

Siggy believes Trump was the worst choice for the US and the best choice for Russia. That he will do serious damage to the US - payback or something.

Hey! Croiky! That means she got one right!

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Monday, July 17, 2017 12:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
The Democratic party is NOT as bad as the GOP. The different parts of the Democratic party range from good to bad. Republicans range from bad to evil in my opinion.

Since the Constitution unintentionally makes impossible a three or four party system sharing control of the Federal government, your only real choice is D or R when you vote for Congress or President. You can't get to President Jill Stein of the Green Party. The Constitution makes that outlandish. Don't tell that to Ralph Nader or Noam Chomsky because they still hope for an alternative and they will talk your ears off explaining that it is possible if only the "people" realize they have the power to change the world. The "people" didn't write the first Constitution that got us into this mess and they won't be writing the next constitution fixing the disastrous flaws, either.

And your predictions (not made today, but made several times in the past) that Hillary would start WWIII are unbelievable.




Yes, yes, and very yes.

"The people" will not do anything of much substance - most of them couldn't even be bothered to vote in one of the most important, radical elections of their time. Can't count on the people.

Siggy and Kiggy don't really believe Hillary was going to start WWIII. That's a convenient lie. There might be a slim chance that they believed had she won, Putin would have started WWIII. Otherwise, it's just another weak bogey man to cover their support for Trump.

Siggy believes Trump was the worst choice for the US and the best choice for Russia. That he will do serious damage to the US - payback or something.

Hey! Croiky! That means she got one right!

You didn't say anything about my comment: "The people didn't write the first Constitution that got us into this mess and they won't be writing the next constitution fixing the disastrous flaws, either." When the Constitution was written, nobody had ever before gotten only a 48% minority of the vote in a state, yet received 100% of the electoral college votes from the state. There was talk about fixing that flaw in the Constitution, but it never got beyond talk in 200 years.

When the Constitution was written, no political party had ever before gerrymandered the Congressional districts in a way that receiving only 55% of the total vote gave the gerrymandering party 100% of the representatives to Congress. That's another tiny flaw in the Constitution that is very fixable.

The Fourteenth Amendment gave citizenship to slaves, but it was written so stupidly that it did many other things badly. It has never been fixed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_State
s_Constitution


The USA is in trouble now because of flaws in the Constitution that never get fixed, maybe because most people, including Congress, don't understand it and can't imagine what to do about it.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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