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Fake news: CNN; NYT; VICE; WaPo; WSJ. ... now ABC .... It's like a trainwreck, but I can't stop watching

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Saturday, July 8, 2017 10:08 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Seriously then.... what are you bitching about?



I've lived most of my adult life without health insurance. Even under Obamacare they won't cover the dental work that will inevitably shorten my life, because it's dental work.

They still won't turn you away from the ER because you can't pay. Whenever something really bad happens they have to take me, and I don't ever plan on paying them back anyhow. They can't take my house which I own free and clear, and they can't take my car. I don't have much more than that and I don't need it.

I'm good. You're good. We're all good.




BTW... I never said I make 5k a year. Only that I spend 5k a year. I haven't made any money since October of 2015.

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Monday, July 10, 2017 11:16 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.



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New Research Shows Guccifer 2.0 Files Were Copied Locally - DNC Not "Hacked By Russians"

New meta-analysis has emerged from a document published today by an independent researcher known as The Forensicator, which suggests that files eventually published by the Guccifer 2.0 persona were likely initially downloaded by a person with physical access to a computer possibly connected to the internal DNC network. The individual most likely used a USB drive to copy the information. The groundbreaking new analysis irrevocably destroys the Russian hacking narrative, and calls the actions of Crowdstrike and the DNC into question.

The document supplied to Disobedient Media via Adam Carter was authored by an individual known as The Forensicator. The full document referenced here has been published on their blog. Their analysis indicates the data was almost certainly not accessed initially by a remote hacker, much less one in Russia. If true, this analysis obliterates the Russian hacking narrative completely.

The Forensicator specifically discusses the data that was eventually published by Guccifer 2.0 under the title "NGP-VAN." This should not be confused with the separate publication of the DNC emails by Wikileaks. This article focuses solely on evidence stemming from the files published by Guccifer 2.0, which were previously discussed in depth by Adam Carter.

Disobedient Media previously reported that Crowdstrike is the only group that has directly analyzed the DNC servers. Other groups including Threat Connect have used the information provided by Crowdstrike to claim that Russians hacked the DNC. However, their evaluation was based solely on information ultimately provided by Crowdstrike; this places the company in the unique position of being the only direct source of evidence that a hack occurred.

The group’s President Shawn Henry is a retired executive assistant director of the FBI while their co-founder and CTO, Dmitri Alperovitch, is a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, which as we have reported, is linked to George Soros. Carter has stated on his website that “At present, it looks a LOT like Shawn Henry & Dmitri Alperovitch (CrowdStrike executives), working for either the HRC campaign or DNC leadership were very likely to have been behind the Guccifer 2.0 operation.” Carter’s website was described by Wikileaks as a useful source of primary information specifically regarding Guccifer 2.0.

Carter recently spoke to Disobedient Media, explaining that he had been contacted by The Forensicator, who had published a document which contained a detailed analysis of the data published by Guccifer 2.0 as "NGP-VAN."

The document states that the files that eventually published as "NGP-VAN" by Guccifer 2.0 were first copied to a system located in the Eastern Time Zone, with this conclusion supported by the observation that "the .7z file times, after adjustment to East Coast time fall into the range of the file times in the .rar files." This constitutes the first of a number of points of analysis which suggests that the information eventually published by the Guccifer 2.0 persona was not obtained by a Russian hacker.

Image via The Forensicator

Image via The Forensicator

The Forensicator stated in their analysis that a USB drive was most likely used to boot Linux OS onto a computer that either contained the alleged DNC files or had direct access to them. They also explained to us that in this situation one would simply plug a USB drive with the LinuxOS into a computer and reboot it; after restarting, the computer would boot from the USB drive and load Linux instead of its normal OS. A large amount of data would then be copied to this same USB drive.

In this case, additional files would have been copied en masse, to be "pruned" heavily at a later time when the 7zip archive now known as NGP-VAN was built. The Forensicator wrote that if 1.98 GB of data had been copied at a rate of 22.6 MB/s and time gaps t were noticed at the top level of the NGP-VAN 7zip file were attributed to additional file copying, then approximately 19.3 GB in total would have been copied. In this scenario, the 7zip archive (NGP-VAN) would represent only about 10% of the total amount of data that was collected.

The very small proportion of files eventually selected for use in the creation of the "NGP-VAN" files were later published by the creators of the Guccifer 2.0 persona. This point is especially significant, as it suggests the possibility that up to 90% of the information initially copied was never published.

The use of a USB drive would suggest that the person first accessing the data could not have been a Russian hacker. In this case, the person who copied the files must have physically interacted with a computer that had access to what Guccifer 2.0 called the DNC files. A less likely explanation for this data pattern where large time gaps were observed between top level files and directories in the 7zip file, can be explained by the use of 'think time' to select and copy 1.9 GB of individual files, copied in small batches with think time interspersed. In either scenario, Linux would have been booted from a USB drive, which fundamentally necessitates physical access to a computer with the alleged DNC files.

The Forensicator believed that using the possible 'think-time' explanation to explain the time-gaps was a less likely explanation for the data pattern available, with a large amount of data most likely copied instantaneously, later "pruned" in the production of the Guccifer 2.0's publication of the NGP-VAN files.

Both the most likely explanation and the less likely scenario provided by The Forensicator's analysis virtually exclude the possibility of a Russian or remote hacker gaining external access to the files later published as "NGP-VAN." In both cases, the physical presence of a person accessing a containing DNC information would be required.

Importantly, The Forensicator concluded that the chance that the files had been accessed and downloaded remotely over the internet were too small to give this idea any serious consideration. He explained that the calculated transfer speeds for the initial copy were much faster than can be supported by an internet connection. This is extremely significant and completely discredits allegations of Russian hacking made by both Guccifer 2.0 and Crowdstrike.

This conclusion is further supported by analysis of the overall transfer rate of 23 MB/s. The Forensicator described this as "possible when copying over a LAN, but too fast to support the hypothetical scenario that the alleged DNC data was initially copied over the Internet (esp. to Romania)." Guccifer 2.0 had claimed to originate in Romania. So in other words, this rate indicates that the data was downloaded locally, possibly using the local DNC network. The importance of this finding in regards to destroying the Russian hacking narrative cannot be overstated.

If the data is correct, then the files could not have been copied over a remote connection and so therefore cannot have been "hacked by Russia."

The use of a USB drive would also strongly suggest that the person copying the files had physical access to a computer most likely connected to the local DNC network. Indications that the individual used a USB drive to access the information over an internal connection, with time stamps placing the creation of the copies in the East Coast Time Zone, suggest that the individual responsible for initially copying what was eventually published by the Guccifer 2.0 persona under the title "NGP-VAN" was located in the Eastern United States, not Russia.

The implications of The Forensicator's analysis in combination with Adam Carter's work, suggest that at the very least, the Russian hacking narrative is patently false. Adam Carter has a strong grasp on the NGP-VAN files and Guccifer 2.0, with his website on the subject called a "good source" by Wikileaks via twitter. Carter told Disobedient Media that in his opinion the analysis provided by The Forensicator was accurate, but added that if changes are made to the work in future, any new conclusions would require further vetting.

On the heels of recent retractions by legacy media outlets like CNN and The New York Times, this could have serious consequences, if months of investigation into the matter by authorities are proven to have been based on gross misinformation based solely on the false word of Crowdstrike.

Assange recently lamented widespread ignorance about the DNC Leak via Twitter, specifically naming Hillary Clinton, the DNC, the Whitehouse and mainstream media as having “reason” to suppress the truth of the matter. As one of the only individuals who would have been aware of the source of the DNC Leaks, Assange’s statement corroborates a scenario where the DNC and parties described in Adam Carter's work likely to have included Crowdstrike, may have participated in “suppressing knowledge" of the true origins and evidence surrounding the leak of the DNC emails by confusing them with the publication of the Guccifer 2.0 persona.

Despite Guccifer 2.0's conflicting reports of having both been a Russian hacker and having contact with Seth Rich, the work of The Forensicator indicates that neither of these scenarios is likely true.

What is suggested is that the files now known as "NGP-VAN" were copied by someone with access to a system connected to the DNC internal network, and that this action had no bearing on the files submitted to Wikileaks and were most likely unassociated with Seth Rich, and definitively not remotely "hacked" from Russia.



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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Monday, July 10, 2017 1:16 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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More easily observed lying from Signym. No wonder she's a Trumpian!
More easily observed trolling form GSTRING!

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You changed the title to add: "Maddow admits to fake news" and yet what you posted doesn't show her admitting to fake news. Where is "Maddow admits to fake news?"


Right on MSNBC, troll.

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Maddow to news orgs: beware of forged Trump Russia documents!
Rachel Maddow explains how an ostensible top secret NSA document submitted through the show's inbox is likely a fake, and points out the perils of such forgeries to news organizations trying to report out important stories like the Trump Russia story...


http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/maddow-to-news-orgs-heads-up-
for-hoaxes-985491523709



But thanks for the bump!



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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Monday, July 10, 2017 1:24 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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More easily observed lying from Signym. No wonder she's a Trumpian!
More easily observed trolling form GSTRING!

Quote:

You changed the title to add: "Maddow admits to fake news" and yet what you posted doesn't show her admitting to fake news. Where is "Maddow admits to fake news?"


Right on MSNBC, troll.

Quote:

Maddow to news orgs: beware of forged Trump Russia documents!
Rachel Maddow explains how an ostensible top secret NSA document submitted through the show's inbox is likely a fake, and points out the perils of such forgeries to news organizations trying to report out important stories like the Trump Russia story...


http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/maddow-to-news-orgs-heads-up-
for-hoaxes-985491523709



But thanks for the bump!




Here's the headline when we follow your link SIG. Guess you forgot to mention that huh. Hey, just like Trumps cabinet. I'm not a crook says Trump.


"Maddow to news orgs: beware of forged Trump Russia documents!"






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Monday, July 10, 2017 8:52 PM

THGRRI


Well SIG






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Tuesday, July 11, 2017 11:30 AM

THGRRI


SIG lies here every day. It's fun sometimes to poke her about it. As is G SIG, I'm waiting.






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Wednesday, July 12, 2017 10:05 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Trump’s favorite newspaper said “Trump Jr. is an Idiot”. Yes, Don Jr. is an idiot. But that’s also the primary defense of Don Sr.

Of course, Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort were also in this perfectly legal meeting with a Russian, and they weren’t there to talk about Russian adoptions. They were there hoping to get dirt on Hillary Clinton provided by the Russian government. And unlike Don Jr., Manafort was a political pro and Kushner is currently a top White House advisor. What are the odds that they didn’t pass along any of this to Trump Sr.? Hard to say, but the “Junior is an idiot” defense is supposed to keep us from even asking.

Needless to say, the genius of this approach is that Don Jr., is, in fact, an idiot. It’s one of the few opinions that unites our sadly divided country. Another one: Anthony Weiner is an idiot.

Maybe this whole affair really is just the crayon scribblings of the family dolt, but we don’t know that yet. We have many months of investigation to go.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, July 12, 2017 10:30 AM

THGRRI


Jared Kushner had two of the three meetings we now know of with Russians , two weeks before he filled out his disclosure form. He omitted these contacts. No way he forgot the meetings and that's a felony. Four days after Trump Jr. meet with the Russian lawyer, Trump said in a speech he was going to release damaging information about Clinton.

The emails are the proof Trump knew through first hand knowledge about the Russia hacking. Collusion is not illegal and that's the word that's been thrown out there. What is illegal is coordinating, conspiracy and benefitting by working with a foreign government. It violates our election laws.




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Originally posted by second:
Trump’s favorite newspaper said “Trump Jr. is an Idiot”. Yes, Don Jr. is an idiot. But that’s also the primary defense of Don Sr.

Of course, Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort were also in this perfectly legal meeting with a Russian, and they weren’t there to talk about Russian adoptions. They were there hoping to get dirt on Hillary Clinton provided by the Russian government. And unlike Don Jr., Manafort was a political pro and Kushner is currently a top White House advisor. What are the odds that they didn’t pass along any of this to Trump Sr.? Hard to say, but the “Junior is an idiot” defense is supposed to keep us from even asking.

Needless to say, the genius of this approach is that Don Jr., is, in fact, an idiot. It’s one of the few opinions that unites our sadly divided country. Another one: Anthony Weiner is an idiot.

Maybe this whole affair really is just the crayon scribblings of the family dolt, but we don’t know that yet. We have many months of investigation to go.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly







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Wednesday, July 12, 2017 2:06 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh, about Rachel Maddow and fake news ...



After spending an excruciating amount of time on the receipt of a probable forged document she then does on to speculate that "somebody" is deliberately seeding the news feed to entrap unwary news organizations. And so, Maddow has turned fake news into MORE fake news (insinuations).

However, the basis of Maddow's insinuations (That it was a well-connected "somebody" with access to the original document) itself is on shaky grounds. It will take "reading with comprehension" to understand why this is so, and I'm not gong to quote the whole story, so I'll just leave you with the link
https://theintercept.com/2017/07/07/rachel-maddows-exclusive-scoop-abo
ut-a-fake-nsa-document-raises-several-key-questions
/

As usual, I expect THUGR to laugh at what he can't comprehend, which is ... just about everything.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Wednesday, July 12, 2017 2:08 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Vice retracts two stories about Trump Disney World robot

Vice’s Motherboard on Wednesday retracted two reports about Walt Disney World’s addition of President Trump to “The Hall of Presidents” exhibit, saying it identified “factual errors” in the stories.

“After a thorough investigation into the sourcing of two stories, ‘Here's the Secret Backstage Trump Drama at Walt Disney World's Hall of Presidents’ and ‘Behind the Scenes of Disney's Donald Trump 'Hall of Presidents' Installation’, and the identification of several factual errors, we have decided to retract both pieces,” the website said in an editorial note.

“We are conducting a full editorial review to pinpoint how this source was vetted, and how these stories were approved and published in violation of our usual editorial workflow. We fell short of our standards, and regret the error.”

ADVERTISEMENT
The second report, published on Monday, quoted a source describing an alleged back and forth between Disney and Trump aides. The source claimed that Disney had been battling with Trump’s team, who insisted on writing the speech for the robot.

Walt Disney World disputed the report, saying it was “inaccurate.”

“As we have stated, President Trump will have a speaking role in the Hall of Presidents like every president since 1993,” vice president of communications Jacquee Wahler told The Hill in an email. “We have been working closely with the White House and the president’s recording session has been scheduled. We have repeatedly stated that the attraction will re-open in late 2017.”

Following the second Vice report, Thomas Smith, the editorial content director for Disney Parks, published a blog post saying Trump’s robot would speak in the exhibit and that Disney had been working with the Trump administration to create the recording.

"Despite some media reports to the contrary, President Trump will have a speaking role in The Hall of Presidents, like every president since 1993,” Smith wrote.

“We have been working closely with the current White House — just as we have with previous administrations — and the president’s recording session has been scheduled. The attraction will re-open in late 2017.”


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/339871-vice-retracts-two-s
tories-about-trump-disney-world-robot


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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Wednesday, July 12, 2017 2:41 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


The blackmail factor: Trumpworld’s Russia lies are a major risk to national security

Sally Yates, the acting attorney general at the time, warned White House Counsel Don McGahn that “the national security adviser essentially could be blackmailed by the Russians.”

The theory here is simple. If you lie to the public about meetings with the Russian government, the Russian government will know that you lied and could threaten to release embarrassing and personally damaging information unless you take positions they like.

The basic problem Yates identified persists. Unlike the public or the special counsel’s office, Russian intelligence services know exactly what went down between their government and the Trump campaign. Their knowledge of the facts, paired with Trumpworld’s relentless dishonesty and the high consequences of seeing that dishonesty revealed, means a potentially large swath of Trump’s inner circle has been (and may still be) exposed to blackmail.

And that, in turn, makes it hard for the country — and our allies — to trust that American policy toward Russia is being made in service of American interests rather than in service of keeping Trump’s team out of legal and political trouble.

This might be easy to ignore if Trump’s attitude and policies toward Russia were typical for an American politician. But from his contempt for NATO to his unwillingness to punish Moscow for election meddling, they’re not.

For an example of how that works, maybe the meeting between Trump and Putin didn’t go as well as claimed. Maybe Putin didn’t hear what he wanted to hear.

And maybe in consequence Putin took out a hit on Trump’s son, using those emails as a reminder to President Trump that Putin has far worse on Trump Senior. Information is power. And because the Russians have a lot of information about Trump/Russia contacts, and because Trumpworld keeps lying about Trump/Russia contacts, the Russians have a lot of power to increase the legal and political jeopardy facing both father and son at any moment.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/12/15955314/trump-russia-blackm
ail


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, July 13, 2017 3:15 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


So, she's reporting Fake News about Fake News.....how refreshing!

I'm not surprised that it's come to this. Good job guys!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, about Rachel Maddow and fake news ...



After spending an excruciating amount of time on the receipt of a probable forged document she then does on to speculate that "somebody" is deliberately seeding the news feed to entrap unwary news organizations. And so, Maddow has turned fake news into MORE fake news (insinuations).

However, the basis of Maddow's insinuations (That it was a well-connected "somebody" with access to the original document) itself is on shaky grounds. It will take "reading with comprehension" to understand why this is so, and I'm not gong to quote the whole story, so I'll just leave you with the link
https://theintercept.com/2017/07/07/rachel-maddows-exclusive-scoop-abo
ut-a-fake-nsa-document-raises-several-key-questions
/

As usual, I expect THUGR to laugh at what he can't comprehend, which is ... just about everything.

-----------

"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one



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Thursday, July 13, 2017 12:35 PM

THGRRI


OK here's a breakdown. SIG lies again. G calls her on it again. SIG has to eat shit again. Yeah, that sounds about right.






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Thursday, July 13, 2017 1:14 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Here is a provable case where Trump is involved in an accounting fraud. Today the Congressional Budget Office released its analysis of Trump’s 2017 budget proposal.

Trump claimed those budget cuts would eliminate the deficit in 10 years — but the CBO found it would do no such thing. Trump made a $3.5 trillion error in his favor.

See page 13, table 6, for the difference, year by year, between Trump’s and CBO’s “Deficit Under the President's Budget”.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3893907/52846-Apb.pdf

I do believe Trump is running a scam against America since the difference between what Honest Abe Trump says and the CBO says is huge. This is where Signym and 1kiki will claim little can be known about the deficit until 2027 has come and gone, which is very convenient for Trump because he will be dead by then.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, July 13, 2017 10:01 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Trump’s Border Wall shrinks again as Trump's great betrayal continues.

Trump said, “You don’t need 2,000 miles of wall because you have a lot of natural barriers,” Trump said to reporters on Air Force 1 during his flight to Paris. “You have mountains. You have some rivers that are violent and vicious. You have some areas that are so far away that you don’t really have people crossing. So you don’t need that.”

“You’ll need anywhere from 700 to 900 miles,” Trump said.

Two years ago, Trump said he would build a 2,000-mile wall. A year ago, he said “natural barriers” reduced the needed length to 1,000 miles. Now it’s 700-900 miles.

As it happens, we already have about 700 miles of border fencing, so Trump is suggesting that we really don’t need much more than what’s already in place. In fact, maybe we just need to upgrade our current fencing. Or maybe forget all Trump's speeches about Mexican drugs, rapists, murderers crossing the border to steal your jobs. He was kidding. But Trump says he wasn’t joking about a solar paneled border wall. "Believe me," he said. I had to laugh.

www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates
-no-need-for-full-border-wall-trump-1499975363-htmlstory.html


www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/13/trump-says-he-wasnt-jok
ing-about-a-solar-paneled-border-wall/?utm_term=.0d1e7fad9338

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Friday, July 14, 2017 2:11 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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So thanks for confirming that you lied. I see you changed the title again to hide it better - weak as hell.
Um ... I changed it to add about the Vice new retraction. Each time there is more "fake news" exposed, I'll add it to the thread.

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I saw the show and read Glen Greenwald's article before your lame attempt to discredit Maddow. Did you read the whole article? This part is interesting, don't you think?
"PRIOR TO PUBLICATION of this article, The Intercept sent a series of questions to Maddow about all of this. She said MSNBC did not contact The Intercept prior to broadcasting her report “because we were really only working on the document you published, not in your reporting on it.” ... blah blah blah ...

Regarding our inquiries about the possibility that the metadata may have been changed, Maddow said: “yes, like I said on the air, we did look into the possibility of altering the metadata to change the apparent creation date, and, as I said, it could definitely have been altered.”

...blah blah blah ...

My conclusions were that she presented a fine piece of detective work to ferret out an attempt to punk her program. She never admitted fake news nor stated unequivocally that her conclusion was the only conclusion, just posed the question.

So, G, here's a question for you: When did you stop beating your boyfriend?

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blah ... blah ...blah ... the usual gratuitous insult and trolling ...blah blah blah


Ok, the title could have been clearer. I was trying to figure out how to fit all of that into one line. Maybe "Maddow makes up more fake news" would have been better?

By the way, in your attempt to bolster Maddow, you discredited every attribution of "Russian hacking" by pointing out that it is very possible to CHANGE METADATA, especially using NSA masquerading software. ASIDE FROM the fact that Julian Assange knows who gave him the DNC/Podesta server files (and it wasn't a Russian) attribution is actually very difficult. Even more difficult if you never get to examine the server, which the FBI never did. So all of that paranoia about "Russian hacking" is just that: paranoia.

Speaking of paranoia ...
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...And maybe in consequence Putin took out a hit on Trump’s son, using those emails as a reminder to President Trump that Putin has far worse on Trump Senior. - SECOND
Really?? SECOND, you're turning Putin into the world's most, most powerful bogeyman ever, kind of like Dr No from a James Bond thriller.

Do you know what I think Trump's Big Sin is, as far as "Russia" is concerned? He's not paranoid about them like you are. He doesn't think that they're the most powerful, most cunning, most devious, most aggressive force on the planet. I really think that's what all of this is about: his lack of paranoia.

IMHO Russia, as far as I can tell, is just another nation. A nuclear nation, but a rather small one. I'm more concerned about China, and most concerned about the Russia-China alliance that WE seem to have forged with our utterly aggressive and paranoid reactions to both nations. Instead of creating enemies (and failed states) wherever we go; maybe we really should start looking at where our interests overlap, and start working on that. Are we so afraid of "them" and so lacking in confidence that we can't even deal with other nations??

And of course, we would have to define "our" interests first. That seems to be a problem. For you.


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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
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Friday, July 14, 2017 4:07 AM

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Maddow is usually cautious when it comes to reports, plus she's learned from what happened to Rather that I would think that she'd be extra cautious to check and double check her sources.

Right now there's so much bullshit flying about that you need to choose your news carefully. I tend to think, at least for me, that there are certain folks who are not serving the public good with good intentions. Choose wisely, my friends, choose wisely.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, about Rachel Maddow and fake news ...

After spending an excruciating amount of time on the receipt of a probable forged document she then does on to speculate that "somebody" is deliberately seeding the news feed to entrap unwary news organizations. And so, Maddow has turned fake news into MORE fake news (insinuations).

However, the basis of Maddow's insinuations (That it was a well-connected "somebody" with access to the original document) itself is on shaky grounds. It will take "reading with comprehension" to understand why this is so, and I'm not gong to quote the whole story, so I'll just leave you with the link
https://theintercept.com/2017/07/07/rachel-maddows-exclusive-scoop-abo
ut-a-fake-nsa-document-raises-several-key-questions
/




So thanks for confirming that you lied. I see you changed the title again to hide it better - weak as hell.

I saw the show and read Glen Greenwald's article before your lame attempt to discredit Maddow. Did you read the whole article? This part is interesting, don't you think?

"PRIOR TO PUBLICATION of this article, The Intercept sent a series of questions to Maddow about all of this. She said MSNBC did not contact The Intercept prior to broadcasting her report “because we were really only working on the document you published, not in your reporting on it.”

As for the issues of the timeline, Maddow stressed that “we explicitly *didn’t* say it was sent to us prior to your publication. I said — and we even showed a calendar graphic to illustrate — that it was sent to us *after* you published. No one falsely made it appear that it was sent to us prior to your publication. It came to us afterwards — which is what I said on the air.”

Regarding our inquiries about the possibility that the metadata may have been changed, Maddow said: “yes, like I said on the air, we did look into the possibility of altering the metadata to change the apparent creation date, and, as I said, it could definitely have been altered.”

As for our question that pointed out that the exact same time appears in the metadata on the document sent to her as the one we published, strongly suggesting that whoever sent her the document took it from The Intercept’s site, Maddow said: “We got a document *different* than yours, with no purported connection to yours, except we sussed out that someone appears to have used your doc as a template for ginning up a fake one to sent to us. And yes the timestamp absolutely goes to our whole point — someone used the document sent to you as a template for forging the fake document sent to us.”

One can listen to Maddow’s original report and draw your own conclusions."

My conclusions were that she presented a fine piece of detective work to ferret out an attempt to punk her program. She never admitted fake news nor stated unequivocally that her conclusion was the only conclusion, just posed the question. Stating that along with how a similar scam brought down Dan Rather helped bring it into focus. Sad that we live at a time with an administration so full of liars that it makes so much sense. Kind of like how it makes so much sense that in your zeal and blindness to discredit Maddow you would tell such a childish and obvious lie. But then you're a Trump/Russia social bot, so it just follows.

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Friday, July 14, 2017 4:13 AM

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So you're the one.


SGG


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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Seriously then.... what are you bitching about?



I've lived most of my adult life without health insurance. Even under Obamacare they won't cover the dental work that will inevitably shorten my life, because it's dental work.

They still won't turn you away from the ER because you can't pay. Whenever something really bad happens they have to take me, and I don't ever plan on paying them back anyhow. They can't take my house which I own free and clear, and they can't take my car. I don't have much more than that and I don't need it.

I'm good. You're good. We're all good.




BTW... I never said I make 5k a year. Only that I spend 5k a year. I haven't made any money since October of 2015.


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Friday, July 14, 2017 8:13 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Gay slur for an insult - go to the head of the zero class again.- G
Only if you think that being called gay is an insult. It was the "beating" part that was the insult.

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Only to follow up her usual gratuitous insult and trolling with this statement:

blah ... blah ...blah ... the usual gratuitous insult and trolling ...blah blah blah

The irony. The hypocrite just can't help herself himself.

G, I was merely pointing out that YOU STARTED IT. Hmmm ... let's see, what was it that you posted, again??? Oh, yes ...

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But then you're a Trump/Russia social bot, so it just follows. - G
See? You REALLY just can't help yourself, can you? I mean, you ALMOST made it through a whole post, but those habits sure are hard to break, aren't they?

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Do you know what I think Trump's Big Sin is, as far as "Russia" is concerned? He's not paranoid about them like you are. He doesn't think that they're the most powerful, most cunning, most devious, most aggressive force on the planet. I really think that's what all of this is about: his lack of paranoia. - SIGNY

Wow - finally some clear thinking from SIGNYM. Keep grinding those gears. Yes, he trusts Russia too much because they have had years of breaking bread together (ie., doing deals, trading money). He trusts them so much that he doesn't see it as colluding with a foreign entity, it's just "doing business with friends." Ding. Russians have another description for it, maybe like: "checkmate." - G

Since when is "doing business" with Russia - OR CHINA - a problem? which parts of Trump's policy about Russia - if any- run athwart America's interests? Don't other people also do business with Russia?

We must "HANG ON TO SYRIA BECAUSE ...." ??? We must continue to meddle in Iraq and Libya because .... ? We must break the ABM treaty because ...? And move our missiles ever-closer to the Russian and Chinese borders because....? And Russian sanctions help us by ...???

Hey, I "get" that we (still) depend on foreign oil and so certain shipping lanes and canals must not be interdicted to our oil supplies, and that we (still) need our Gulf sheiks to keep supplying oil. And I "get" that we need to destroy every oil-producing state that threatens the petrodollar, because the thing holding up our currency is our military, not our economy. But in the long run, these are dependencies that we need to eliminate, not encourage. So, in the end, what are our interests and who is threatening them?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Friday, July 14, 2017 10:28 AM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


And finally

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Maddow is usually cautious when it comes to reports, plus she's learned from what happened to Rather that I would think that she'd be extra cautious to check and double check her sources.
Maddow is a commentator, not a news anchor. In that sense, she's more like Rush Limbaugh, not like Dan Rather, which is why she's free to speculate on-air.

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Right now there's so much bullshit flying about that you need to choose your news carefully. I tend to think, at least for me, that there are certain folks who are not serving the public good with good intentions. Choose wisely, my friends, choose wisely.
Good lord, do you think anyone has "good intentions"?

CNN's producer, who DOES attend meetings with the chief editor, called the Russia coverage bullshit (or words to that effect) and said it was all about "ratings". The media which runs "leaks" by anonymous sources which are unverifiable ... like the whole Trump "dossier" thing which was utter fabrication, or the CONSTANT insinuation that Trump was under investigation when he wasn't ... not seeing "good intentions" there.

They don't like Trump because Trump has offended the globalists, neocons, and deep state. Trump has many, many flaws but being a "Russian stooge" isn't one of them.


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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Friday, July 14, 2017 10:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Hey, I "get" that we (still) depend on foreign oil and so certain shipping lanes and canals must not be interdicted to our oil supplies, and that we (still) need our Gulf sheiks to keep supplying oil. And I "get" that we need to destroy every oil-producing state that threatens the petrodollar, because the thing holding up our currency is our military, not our economy. But in the long run, these are dependencies that we need to eliminate, not encourage. So, in the end, what are our interests and who is threatening them?

What is in our interest? The USA is very close to having all the technologies to eliminate 90 percent of its fossil fuel use: cheap solar, cheap wind power, and cheap battery storage. That kind of infrastructure buildout would be a huge economic stimulus for the USA and create jobs. And it would squeeze the treasuries of the oil-exporting economies Russia and Saudi Arabia.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/07/our-approach-to-climate-change-
isnt-working-lets-try-something-else
/

But Trump does not believe it should be done and his Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, looks after Exxon-Mobil’s best interests, not ours. And the 184,500 coal mining employees would whine and complain. Therefore what is in our best interest will not be happening so long as Trump is President or the GOP has at least 40 Senators scheming to kill these projects however they can.
www.bls.gov/iag/tgs/iag212.htm

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Friday, July 14, 2017 10:38 AM

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You clearly meant suggesting I was gay as an insult - so, another lie.
Uh huh. Maybe it was, yanno, a trick? To reveal your prejudices to others?

Quote:

Like when you called second "she." You're like a 10 year old - you just can't help yourself.
I assumed SECOND was a "she" because of the avatar, because SECOND did not reveal anything about his sex, and because I called SECOND "she" and "her" several times in the past and I was never corrected. I recall being called "he" and never correcting the poster. It's not a big deal.

I can't help it if you insist in thinking the worst of me, but honestly, you're really far off the mark.


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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Friday, July 14, 2017 10:53 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Hey, I "get" that we (still) depend on foreign oil and so certain shipping lanes and canals must not be interdicted to our oil supplies, and that we (still) need our Gulf sheiks to keep supplying oil. And I "get" that we need to destroy every oil-producing state that threatens the petrodollar, because the thing holding up our currency is our military, not our economy. But in the long run, these are dependencies that we need to eliminate, not encourage. So, in the end, what are our interests and who is threatening them?- SECOND

What is in our interest? The USA is very close to having all the technologies to eliminate 90 percent of its fossil fuel use: cheap solar, cheap wind power, and cheap battery storage. That kind of infrastructure buildout would be a huge economic stimulus for the USA and create jobs. And it would squeeze the treasuries of the oil-exporting economies Russia and Saudi Arabia.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/07/our-approach-to-climate-change-
isnt-working-lets-try-something-else
/

But Trump does not believe it should be done and his Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, looks after Exxon-Mobil’s best interests, not ours. And the 184,500 coal mining employees would whine and complain. Therefore what is in our best interest will not be happening so long as Trump is President or the GOP has at least 40 Senators scheming to kill these projects however they can.- SECOND

SECOND, we aren't THAT close to eliminating our dependence on oil. The sun doesn't always shine and the wind doesn't always blow, and large-scale batteries are still a ways off ... just look at the difficulty that Tesla is having producing enough batteries for its cars. We're putting solar panels on our roof (panels having just broken the energy barrier about five years ago, where they produce over their lifetime more energy than it took to make them) but have declined the off-grid "wall battery" which isn't anywhere near good enough to power a whole house for any length of time.

The batteries crap out after five years or so anyway, and my contacts in the solid waste field are telling me soto voce that they're becoming a solid waste problem. And besides, we run the risk of becoming dependent on Chinese lithium, instead of Saudi oil.

The energy companies are looking into all kinds of energy storage devices, from pumping water uphill to melting salt to spinning up flywheels but storing enough energy to power a suburb overnight, or for a day or two, is still in th distance. (And BTW- electric cars only improve our carbon footprint by 1% or so.) So while all of this is theoretically possible, it's not here YET. At best, it's a supplemental source of power.

I agree that thumping coal and oil is short-sighted and may be based more on business interests or political support than energy independence. I would be more convinced of Trump's approach if he was pushing the "conservation" angle as hard as he's pushing the "domestic production" angle.

THE SIMPLE SOLUTION WOULD BE A "CARBON TAX": Any burned fuel would be measured for its carbon content and taxed accordingly. That way, the "cost" of an item would more accurately represent the actual long-term cost of its production or use.



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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Friday, July 14, 2017 11:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

Right now there's so much bullshit flying about that you need to choose your news carefully. I tend to think, at least for me, that there are certain folks who are not serving the public good with good intentions. Choose wisely, my friends, choose wisely.


SGG




Perfect SGG. The facts along with honest interpretations of those facts are out there.






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Friday, July 14, 2017 12:46 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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I assumed SECOND was a "she" because of the avatar, ...- SIGNY

You have a male avatar and you are female, so... another lie?- GSTRING

AND because he hadn't indicated either way AND because I had called him a "her" and was never corrected.

As far as my avatar, I identified with Simon's profession and position, particularly the "taking care of a brain-damaged dependent" part.

Just more bullshit trolling and completely off-track personal attacks from GSTRING. Man, you just can't let it go, can you?


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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
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Friday, July 14, 2017 12:51 PM

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My avatar is for Summer Glau to appear in Avatar 2 as Sigourney Weaver's daughter. They look alike but it ain't happening. She didn't get the job. Neither did she get a job on Serenity 2.
www.digitalspy.com/movies/avatar/feature/a785456/avatar-2-release-date
-plot-cast-and-everything-you-need-to-know-about-james-camerons-long-awaited-sequel
/
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

You clearly meant suggesting I was gay as an insult - so, another lie.
Uh huh. Maybe it was, yanno, a trick? To reveal your prejudices to others?

Quote:

Like when you called second "she." You're like a 10 year old - you just can't help yourself.
I assumed SECOND was a "she" because of the avatar, because SECOND did not reveal anything about his sex, and because I called SECOND "she" and "her" several times in the past and I was never corrected. I recall being called "he" and never correcting the poster. It's not a big deal.

I can't help it if you insist in thinking the worst of me, but honestly, you're really far off the mark.



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Friday, July 14, 2017 1:28 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

SECOND, we aren't THAT close to eliminating our dependence on oil. The sun doesn't always shine and the wind doesn't always blow, and large-scale batteries are still a ways off ... just look at the difficulty that Tesla is having producing enough batteries for its cars. We're putting solar panels on our roof (panels having just broken the energy barrier about five years ago, where they produce over their lifetime more energy than it took to make them) but have declined the off-grid "wall battery" which isn't anywhere near good enough to power a whole house for any length of time.

The batteries crap out after five years or so anyway, and my contacts in the solid waste field are telling me soto voce that they're becoming a solid waste problem. And besides, we run the risk of becoming dependent on Chinese lithium, instead of Saudi oil.

The energy companies are looking into all kinds of energy storage devices, from pumping water uphill to melting salt to spinning up flywheels but storing enough energy to power a suburb overnight, or for a day or two, is still in th distance. (And BTW- electric cars only improve our carbon footprint by 1% or so.) So while all of this is theoretically possible, it's not here YET. At best, it's a supplemental source of power.

The man who brought us the lithium-ion battery at the age of 57 has an idea for a new one at 92. It’s many times better than lithium-ion and it will take just as many decades to commercialize, unless the Federal Government gets behind the idea and pushes hard. But that will only happen if Trump expects this battery is one of the few things standing between us and doomsday.
https://qz.com/338767
www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a25536/inventor-lithium-ion-ba
ttery-invented-another-battery
/

Doomsday narratives are now starting to appear in respected, mainstream venues, written by otherwise able and thoughtful journalists. In this vein comes a recent New York magazine article “The Uninhabitable Earth” by David Wallace-Wells.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/climate-change-earth-too-
hot-for-humans.html


It is critical to keep in mind the potential for worst-case scenarios, the so-called fat tail of risk. It is, moreover, appropriate to criticize those who understate the risks. But there is also a danger in overstatement that presents the problem as unsolvable and future outcomes as inevitable.
www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/doomsday-scenarios-are-as-harmful-as-c
limate-change-denial/2017/07/12/880ed002-6714-11e7-a1d7-9a32c91c6f40_story.html

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Friday, July 14, 2017 5:25 PM

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Yes, there are all kinds of wonderful ideas out there. But progress will be incremental, not found in one technical solution or implemented by one entity. We will not avoid global warming - Since we're already experiencing it, that option is closed. The only issue is: how much? When? And are we preparing for it?

If it's really as critical as all that, SECOND, you might want to rethink the whole concept of carbon sequestration for your ranching operations. I know it's expensive, but how about being part of the solution instead of part of the problem? You could contact the Nature Conservancy, they have had great success in helping ranchers improve their operations.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Friday, July 14, 2017 6:06 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yes, there are all kinds of wonderful ideas out there. But progress will be incremental, not found in one technical solution or implemented by one entity. We will not avoid global warming - Since we're already experiencing it, that option is closed. The only issue is: how much? When? And are we preparing for it?

If it's really as critical as all that, SECOND, you might want to rethink the whole concept of carbon sequestration for your ranching operations. I know it's expensive, but how about being part of the solution instead of part of the problem? You could contact the Nature Conservancy, they have had great success in helping ranchers improve their operations.

There is no way in hell I'll sacrifice myself for the good of planet Earth while all the neighboring ranches do the exact opposite and cancel everything out.

I was thinking more along the path of at least two Manhattan Project size projects:

1) Build a climate change computer model that politicians will believe. So long as they can convince themselves that the worst that could happen isn't so bad, they will spend not enough on climate change in the USA.

2) Get the best battery banks in the world built. It will be no more expensive than building, say, 30,000 H-bombs which was rather a futile effort and it sure would be more useful. Besides, it will create jobs. See John Goodenough.
www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a25536/inventor-lithium-ion-ba
ttery-invented-another-battery
/

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Friday, July 14, 2017 9:16 PM

SIGNYM

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So, basically ...

1) "I'd cut off my nose to spite my face.", and ...

2) "I'm as Republican as the next guy because I let them determine my behavior".

SECOND, your GOP neighbor cannot "undue" what you do. If you sequester five tons of carbon dioxide per year, that's five tons of carbon dioxide per year, irrespective of what your neighbor does or doesn't do. In addition, you can gain MONETARY benefits because your ranches can become more productive; perhaps you can even make then available for private-party hunting (fees) or tourism, for example. You really should look into it; there may be more in it for you than you imagine.

I agree that individual action is not a substitute for collective action; "Hitler would not have been stopped by dumpster-diving". OTOH, if you can set a good example, particularly if it makes money for you, you might be able to motivate others to do similarly.

I personally carry on my passion for the environment personally (individual action like recycling); professionally (thru my choice of employment); collectively through interest groups; and politically through advocacy, voting, and direct support of specific politicians. The actions aren't mutually exclusive, you know.

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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Friday, July 14, 2017 10:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, basically ...

1) "I'd cut off my nose to spite my face.", and ...

2) "I'm as Republican as the next guy because I let them determine my behavior".

SECOND, your GOP neighbor cannot "undue" what you do. If you sequester five tons of carbon dioxide per year, that's five tons of carbon dioxide per year, irrespective of what your neighbor does or doesn't do. In addition, you can gain MONETARY benefits because your ranches can become more productive; perhaps you can even make then available for private-party hunting (fees) or tourism, for example. You really should look into it; there may be more in it for you than you imagine.

I agree that individual action is not a substitute for collective action; "Hitler would not have been stopped by dumpster-diving". OTOH, if you can set a good example, particularly if it makes money for you, you might be able to motivate others to do similarly.

I personally carry on my passion for the environment personally (individual action like recycling); professionally (thru my choice of employment); collectively through interest groups; and politically through advocacy, voting, and direct support of specific politicians. The actions aren't mutually exclusive, you know.

Basically, you have a false behavioral model of me in your mind. I refuse to turn my life upside down to become a better Democrat. I live in Texas, cash natural gas royalty checks, kill animals with guns, and I am the 1%. The GOP should be my party by my nature, but it is not since I deviate by voting only for Democrats. You, on the other hand, are living the life, approximately, of an environmentally concerned Democrat. Maybe you should become an actual Democrat and I should vote for Trump the Incompetent Loudmouth Liar in 2020? Then the life we live would be more consistent with our votes.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Basically, you have a false behavioral model of me in your mind. I refuse to turn my life upside down to become a better Democrat. I live in Texas, cash natural gas royalty checks, kill animals with guns, and I am the 1%. The GOP should be my party by my nature, but it is not since I deviate by voting only for Democrats.
Basically, you're a Republican.

If you truly thought that all of the things that you gripe about endlessly were REAL problems, you've be interested in doing something about them. But since that might conflict with your lifestyle, you've made carping endlessly about all things GOP your life's (pointless) mission instead.

Now, I don't know WHY you have such an emotional grotch against the GOP - clearly, you're not trying to solve real-world problems (Maybe they're white and you're Hispanic? Maybe you're feeling guilty about unearned privilege? Maybe you're rebelling against family tradition?) but you're substituting useless action instead of engaging in anything meaningful which might cramp your lifestyle.

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You, on the other hand, are living the life, approximately, of an environmentally concerned Democrat. Maybe you should become an actual Democrat and I should vote for Trump the Incompetent Loudmouth Liar in 2020? Then the life we live would be more consistent with our votes.- SECOND
And clearly, you don't pay the least bit of attention to anyone but yourself. As I've said .... oh, probably an dozen times by now ... I actually AM a registered Democrat, and voted Democrat nearly all of the time, except when I voted Green, or for Trump.

And I DO think that we face real problems, which I'm actually doing something about.

Now, the liberals here might wonder why I, a committed environmentalist, would vote for Trump, and the reason is that the Democratic leadership fully abandoned its principles about 30 years ago, and they deserve to fail.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Saturday, July 15, 2017 8:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Now, I don't know WHY you have such an emotional grotch against the GOP - clearly, you're not trying to solve real-world problems (Maybe they're white and you're Hispanic? Maybe you're feeling guilty about unearned privilege? Maybe you're rebelling against family tradition?) but you're substituting useless action instead of engaging in anything meaningful which might cramp your lifestyle.

And clearly, you don't pay the least bit of attention to anyone but yourself. As I've said .... oh, probably an dozen times by now ... I actually AM a registered Democrat, and voted Democrat nearly all of the time, except when I voted Green, or for Trump.

And I DO think that we face real problems, which I'm actually doing something about.

Now, the liberals here might wonder why I, a committed environmentalist, would vote for Trump, and the reason is that the Democratic leadership fully abandoned its principles about 30 years ago, and they deserve to fail.

Hey, Signym, I call bullshit on your explanation of your vote for Trump. You and 1kiki said that Hillary would cause WWIII with Russia. I think your prediction was silly, but at least it was a real explanation for you voting Trump 2016.

But if you think that “Democratic leadership fully abandoned its principles” you are fully nuts. You lost touch with the GOP reality, Signym:

Did Senator Ted Cruz (TX GOP) understand the problems with his amendment when he dreamed it up, but didn’t care? Or did he just not bother to check with anyone who understood health policy before he proposed it? It’s the eternal conundrum: Are Republicans Evil or Stupid?
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/07/health-insurers-have-finally-ha
d-enough
/

Or this Republican opinion piece about killing Social Security. Is the Republican argument against Social Security simply evil or stupid?
www.msn.com/en-us/money/retirement/opinion-why-its-time-to-kill-social
-security/ar-BBEpoXW?ocid=spartanntp


Signym, when you voted for Trump in order to protect the world from Hillary, you also got every rotten GOP scoundrel's policy along with every bad action in Trump’s past. As a special bonus, you got Mike Pence and Trump’s inability to focus on any problem bigger or other than his family & business empire.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, July 15, 2017 11:26 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Hey, Signym, I call bullshit on your explanation of your vote for Trump. You and 1kiki said that Hillary would cause WWIII with Russia. I think your prediction was silly, but at least it was a real explanation for you voting Trump 2016.

But if you think that “Democratic leadership fully abandoned its principles” you are fully nuts. You lost touch with the GOP reality, Signym:

Hey SECOND, I know all about the GOP, and it's various conflicting wings ... the social conservatives/ religious right; the libertarian/ Tea Party faction; the big money/ globalist wing; the neocon/ Armageddonist group; and the white supremacist flavors.

Trump isn't fully a Republican, because he was willing to speak against the powerful wing of the GOP, which is the neocon/ globalist faction.

But the DEMOCRATS have ALSO fallen in with the globalists/ interventionists/ neocons/ big money group ... show me how they haven't, I'll bet you can't ... and as such did not offer a real choice for the biggest problems that we face.

I could not have stood one more year of "more of the same or worse" under Hillary. She offered increasing wealth inequity, more "free trade" agreements, fewer jobs, stricter copyright/ patent enforcement, more GMOs, higher pharma prices, more illegal aliens, more war ... what was the upside there? Transgender bathrooms?

Yah, I know- doing something about the big problems might cramp your lifestyle.



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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Monday, July 17, 2017 2:25 AM

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Imagine that! We are now getting unbiased "news items" from Sputnik and Info Wars.....Fucking Info Wars - the epitome of FAKE News. Just think folks, we can now expect little green men from Mars to land in the National Park in Washington.

By the way, I once thought that what you meant by Deep State, was the football team
playing in the Delaware Water Gap.

Rah, rah, rah! Sisk BOOM Bah! Deep State, Deep State, Woo!


SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If the MSM had actually gotten to a pale representation of the facts through some internal process, you might have a point. But this "news item", like so many others in CNN, WaPo, and NYT, was an unverified leak from yet another anonymous source, which CNN happily published without (apparently) even the simplest of verifications.

A process, I might add, that you support through your uncritical swill-swallowing, echoing, and your constant attacks on alternate sources and alternate PsOV.

BTW- Sputnik News and InfoWars - both of which you have constantly impugned as "biased" - were the ones who brought this inaccuracy to light. So suck it, you stupid deep-state trolls. CNN just got its ass handed to it; this isn't a "victory" for the MSM no matter how you try to spin it.

As an aside: The "journalism" behind the original story was so gorram shoddy that it probably put CNN at risk of a major libel suit, or worse. This the only time I've even seen such a thorough climb-down by a major "news" organization. Usually, the journalist resigns but the editor just blithely sails on. The subject of the libelous reporting - Scaramucci- can afford to be forgiving; after all, just look at CNN whittling all over itself trying to get out of trouble.



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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one



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Monday, July 17, 2017 7:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Hey, Signym, I call bullshit on your explanation of your vote for Trump. You and 1kiki said that Hillary would cause WWIII with Russia. I think your prediction was silly, but at least it was a real explanation for you voting Trump 2016.

But if you think that “Democratic leadership fully abandoned its principles” you are fully nuts. You lost touch with the GOP reality, Signym:

Hey SECOND, I know all about the GOP, and it's various conflicting wings ... the social conservatives/ religious right; the libertarian/ Tea Party faction; the big money/ globalist wing; the neocon/ Armageddonist group; and the white supremacist flavors.

Trump isn't fully a Republican, because he was willing to speak against the powerful wing of the GOP, which is the neocon/ globalist faction.

But the DEMOCRATS have ALSO fallen in with the globalists/ interventionists/ neocons/ big money group ... show me how they haven't, I'll bet you can't ... and as such did not offer a real choice for the biggest problems that we face.

I could not have stood one more year of "more of the same or worse" under Hillary. She offered increasing wealth inequity, more "free trade" agreements, fewer jobs, stricter copyright/ patent enforcement, more GMOs, higher pharma prices, more illegal aliens, more war ... what was the upside there? Transgender bathrooms?

Yah, I know- doing something about the big problems might cramp your lifestyle.

Signym, once again I realize you are impractical (I was going to write "insane" but that is inflammatory rhetoric). You actually believed Trump wasn't as Republican as any of the other candidates! There was plenty of proven incidences to demonstrate he is a world-class conman. I think if you objectively look at his first 6 months governing, he disproved your belief in him as different from other Republicans. Or simply look at Trump as cheerleader for the Senate's version of Trumpcare.

The Democratic party is NOT as bad as the GOP. The different parts of the Democratic party range from good to bad. Republicans range from bad to evil in my opinion.

Since the Constitution unintentionally makes impossible a three or four party system sharing control of the Federal government, your only real choice is D or R when you vote for Congress or President. You can't get to President Jill Stein of the Green Party. The Constitution makes that outlandish. Don't tell that to Ralph Nader or Noam Chomsky because they still hope for an alternative and they will talk your ears off explaining that it is possible if only the "people" realize they have the power to change the world. The "people" didn't write the first Constitution that got us into this mess and they won't be writing the next constitution fixing the disastrous flaws, either.

And your predictions (not made today, but made several times in the past) that Hillary would start WWIII are unbelievable.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, July 17, 2017 12:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
The Democratic party is NOT as bad as the GOP. The different parts of the Democratic party range from good to bad. Republicans range from bad to evil in my opinion.

Since the Constitution unintentionally makes impossible a three or four party system sharing control of the Federal government, your only real choice is D or R when you vote for Congress or President. You can't get to President Jill Stein of the Green Party. The Constitution makes that outlandish. Don't tell that to Ralph Nader or Noam Chomsky because they still hope for an alternative and they will talk your ears off explaining that it is possible if only the "people" realize they have the power to change the world. The "people" didn't write the first Constitution that got us into this mess and they won't be writing the next constitution fixing the disastrous flaws, either.

And your predictions (not made today, but made several times in the past) that Hillary would start WWIII are unbelievable.




Yes, yes, and very yes.

"The people" will not do anything of much substance - most of them couldn't even be bothered to vote in one of the most important, radical elections of their time. Can't count on the people.

Siggy and Kiggy don't really believe Hillary was going to start WWIII. That's a convenient lie. There might be a slim chance that they believed had she won, Putin would have started WWIII. Otherwise, it's just another weak bogey man to cover their support for Trump.

Siggy believes Trump was the worst choice for the US and the best choice for Russia. That he will do serious damage to the US - payback or something.

Hey! Croiky! That means she got one right!

You didn't say anything about my comment: "The people didn't write the first Constitution that got us into this mess and they won't be writing the next constitution fixing the disastrous flaws, either." When the Constitution was written, nobody had ever before gotten only a 48% minority of the vote in a state, yet received 100% of the electoral college votes from the state. There was talk about fixing that flaw in the Constitution, but it never got beyond talk in 200 years.

When the Constitution was written, no political party had ever before gerrymandered the Congressional districts in a way that receiving only 55% of the total vote gave the gerrymandering party 100% of the representatives to Congress. That's another tiny flaw in the Constitution that is very fixable.

The Fourteenth Amendment gave citizenship to slaves, but it was written so stupidly that it did many other things badly. It has never been fixed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_State
s_Constitution


The USA is in trouble now because of flaws in the Constitution that never get fixed, maybe because most people, including Congress, don't understand it and can't imagine what to do about it.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, July 31, 2017 4:27 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

WSJ Asks "Who Paid For The 'Trump Dossier'?"

It has been 10 days since Democrats received the glorious news that Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley would require Donald Trump Jr. and Paul Manafort to explain their meeting with Russian operators at Trump Tower last year. The left was salivating at the prospect of watching two Trump insiders being grilled about Russian “collusion” under the klieg lights.

Yet Democrats now have meekly and noiselessly retreated, agreeing to let both men speak to the committee in private. Why would they so suddenly be willing to let go of this moment of political opportunity?

Fusion GPS.

The article goes on to "connect the dots" between Fusion and Democrats for the "dossier" creation. MORE AT http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-30/wsj-asks-who-paid-trump-dossi
er


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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Monday, July 31, 2017 4:37 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


FROM THE WASHINGTON POST

Quote:

The quest to prove collusion is crumbling

While everyone is fixated on President Trump’s unbecoming and inexplicable assault on Attorney General Jeff Sessions, the media has been trying to sneak away from the “Russian collusion” story. That’s right. For all the breathless hype, the on-air furrowed brows and the not-so-veiled hopes that this could be Watergate, Jared Kushner’s statement and testimony before Congress have made Democrats and many in the media come to the realization that the collusion they were counting on just isn’t there.

As the date of the Kushner testimony approached, the media thought it was going to advance and refresh the story. But Kushner’s clear, precise and convincing account of what really occurred during the campaign and after the election has left many of President Trump’s loudest enemies trying to quietly back out of the room unnoticed.

Cable news airtime and in-print word count dedicated to the nonexistent collusion story appear to be dwindling. ... it hasn’t taken long for news producers and editors to realize that the story is fading.

At last, the story that never was is not happening.

... Democrats and their allies in the media have exhausted themselves building a scandalous narrative surrounding the Russian lawyer meeting, but according to Kushner, the meeting was so useless that he “actually emailed an assistant from the meeting after [he] had been there for ten or so minutes and wrote ‘Can u pls call me on my cell? Need excuse to get out of meeting.”’ Maybe the collusion didn’t take very long, or maybe he realized what the lawyer had to say was a useless farce and he wanted to get on with his day.

Much to the dismay of Trump’s haters, Kushner’s account of events even further proves just how far the media has stretched the collusion story. When the campaign received an official note of congratulations from Russian President Vladimir Putin the day after the election, Kushner had to send Dimitri Simes of the Center for the National Interest an email asking for the name of the Russian ambassador so that he could reach out and confirm the message’s authenticity.

... Sure, there are others still in the crosshairs of the collusion-hunters, but Kushner has been the biggest target if for no other reason than he is the only one serving in the White House. Paul Manafort is a private citizen, and he departed the campaign before the general election campaign really started. Donald Trump Jr. is implicated only in the one ill-advised and now-shown-to-be-pointless encounter with a few gadflies. The media can knock itself out trying to find some left-behind paperwork or some other scrap to hang onto, but the dead end is in sight.

The quest for collusion is crumbling.

With the Democrats and their allies in the media beginning to walk away from the collusion story, the single biggest thing keeping this story alive is the president’s obsession with it. No doubt the issue will continue to be irresistible to some of Trump’s haters. Some will never believe the truth, no matter what else is revealed. But if Democrats and the president’s worst enemies can begin to silently acknowledge the obvious and move on, perhaps Trump can, too. Maybe now he will see the futility of continuing to whine, tweet, moan and seethe about the whole non-affair. Maybe the president will now see that he should leave Sessions alone so that he can get on with his work. Maybe he will let special counsel Robert S. Mueller III quietly do his job and the whole “Russian collusion” affair won’t even be a footnote in the retelling of the story of the Trump campaign.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/07/27/the-q
uest-to-prove-collusion-is-crumbling/?utm_term=.ab223a777d48


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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Monday, July 31, 2017 10:32 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I think a few things are happening:

"Mooch the Terrible" has stemmed the flow of leaks/ lies. He fired somebody and put his head on a pike at the city gates as a warning to others. In addition, Priebus resigned under pressure - that may as well be another head on a pike at the city gates. Once the constant media-directed staffer speculation died, there were no more rumors to fill the media with breathless hyperventilation about "Russia!". And once the media hyperventilation quieted a little, the warmongering progressives lost focus on what they were supposed to be afraid of.

In addition, no further political movement was being gained by flogging this story. Congressional GOP was not about to impeach Trump - they have their own failure to account for with the healthcare bill. And the "Russia!" story WAS getting a little old.

And finally, I think that there might be some "opposition research" in the background ... such as about the Awan brothers .... which has made certain butts pucker.

Hillary, Debbie, and the DNC have a lot to answer for. A REAL investigation into what Hillary was doing with the Foundation and with her private server, and what Debbie was doing with the DNC, would probably uncover some serious criminal activity. You all really should look into the Awan story; the way Debbie was protecting this guy was ... unusual, to say the least. And the Awan brothers had so much criminal activity in their background, there's no way they should EVER have had access to the Foreign Affairs Committee members' data. This is way more than just "bank fraud".

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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Monday, July 31, 2017 10:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
FROM THE WASHINGTON POST

With the Democrats and their allies in the media beginning to walk away from the collusion story, the single biggest thing keeping this story alive is the president’s obsession with it. No doubt the issue will continue to be irresistible to some of Trump’s haters. Some will never believe the truth, no matter what else is revealed. But if Democrats and the president’s worst enemies can begin to silently acknowledge the obvious and move on, perhaps Trump can, too. Maybe now he will see the futility of continuing to whine, tweet, moan and seethe about the whole non-affair. Maybe the president will now see that he should leave Sessions alone so that he can get on with his work. Maybe he will let special counsel Robert S. Mueller III quietly do his job and the whole “Russian collusion” affair won’t even be a footnote in the retelling of the story of the Trump campaign.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/07/27/the-q
uest-to-prove-collusion-is-crumbling/?utm_term=.ab223a777d48



I love that last paragraph. The WaPo just can't help itself, can it?

One side of their mouth basically saying that they have been involved in 7 months of "reporting" a bullshit narrative, and then the other side of their mouth wrapping it up by saying that "maybe now he can stop being a big orange baby".

lol

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Monday, July 31, 2017 1:43 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I've seen a decrease in the anti-Trump/ 'collusion' rhetoric. That may or may not be due to counter-intelligence. But that's a stupid political game. If the Awan brothers were blackmailing politicians as suspected, they should be investigated, prosecuted, tried, and - if guilty - made to serve the maximum sentence. There should be no quid pro quo between the Trump administration and lawbreakers - my silence over your lawbreaking for your cease-fire on 'collusion'.

OTOH I'm seeing a sharp spike in anti-Russia articles over the last few weeks, especially regarding Ukraine, the Baltics, Georgia, Eastern Europe in general, and NATO. We're being groomed into another incestuous torrid affair.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Monday, July 31, 2017 2:00 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61682&mid=1
035311#1035311
People can be driven to war, it is true. A relentless media campaign can cause the heartland to become so fearful or liberals to become so outraged that they will take to the streets to demand blood. And despite the fact that you ... the supposed intelligent liberal elite... have seen this over and over again, you keep falling for the same bullshit again and again.

The sad thing is, the moment the media stops hyping the 'collusion' frenzy, it'll disappear from the collective American mind, and be as if it never existed at all. All that anger and hate will quickly evaporate.

And how can people learn when the past of a mere few weeks ago can be erased so completely?

And, without reference to how this cycle has happened over, and over, and over, and over, people will be driven to the next focus de jour.





Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Monday, July 31, 2017 2:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by G:

That wasn't written by The WaPo. It was written by a big DC lobbyist, Ed Rogers. Rogers will take anyone's money.



If it's printed in the WaPo, the WaPo wrote it. It doesn't matter where it originated if they print it in full.

Of course, I can't verify this because I can't see the link without giving my money to WaPo which would never happen as long as I live.

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Monday, July 31, 2017 2:41 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
The sad thing is, the moment the media stops hyping the 'collusion' frenzy, it'll disappear from the collective American mind, and be as if it never existed at all. All that anger and hate will quickly evaporate.

And how can people learn when the past of a mere few weeks ago can be erased so completely?

And, without reference to how this cycle has happened over, and over, and over, and over, people will be driven to the next focus de jour.



They can't learn, and they won't learn.

This isn't some new phenomenon. Orwell wrote extensively about it in the 40's and 50's and I assume it wasn't exactly a new thing back then either.

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Monday, July 31, 2017 2:54 PM

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Monday, July 31, 2017 3:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

And how can people learn when the past of a mere few weeks ago can be erased so completely?



They can't learn, and they won't learn.

This isn't some new phenomenon. Orwell wrote extensively about it in the 40's and 50's and I assume it wasn't exactly a new thing back then either.


People in general are much smarter than the media believes they are. The blatantly biased media has rendered itself an irrelevant laughing-stock.

They sat there on election night humiliated, stunned, and depressed. They still haven't learned a gorram thing from that titanic ass-whooping they got.

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Monday, July 31, 2017 4:06 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

If it's printed in the WaPo, the WaPo wrote it.



Quote:

Originally posted by G:

How does the WaPo write something?



I don't know. You were the one who said they didn't write something here:

Quote:

Originally posted by G:

That wasn't written by The WaPo. It was written by a big DC lobbyist, Ed Rogers. Rogers will take anyone's money.



One would assume that if something didn't write it, then the opposite could also be true.

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Tuesday, August 1, 2017 3:20 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

If it's printed in the WaPo, the WaPo wrote it.



Quote:

Originally posted by G:

How does the WaPo write something?



I don't know. You were the one who said they didn't write something here:

Quote:

Originally posted by G:

That wasn't written by The WaPo. It was written by a big DC lobbyist, Ed Rogers. Rogers will take anyone's money.



One would assume that if something didn't write it, then the opposite could also be true.



You're so clever you've confused yourself.

You said the Wapo wrote it, suggesting a paper - a non-person - could write something, because it's easier for you to think in small boxes I suspect or you just don't give a sh*t. I said, no, a lobbyist - who is motivated by money and strong gop ties - wrote it and supplied links to back that up. And then you shorted out.

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You said it wasn't fucking written by the WaPo first.

Read it again.

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Behind Fox News' Baseless Seth Rich Story: The Untold Tale

The Fox News Channel and a wealthy supporter of President Trump worked in concert under the watchful eye of the White House to concoct a story about the death of a young Democratic National Committee aide, according to a lawsuit filed Tuesday.

http://www.npr.org/2017/08/01/540783715/lawsuit-alleges-fox-news-and-t
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