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Thursday, August 3, 2017 3:22 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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It's entirely LOGICAL that you DO NOT know what the FBI and CIA and NSA know or how they know it. You can't possibly unless you work there. You simply have no idea what they are capable of.

I KNOW THEY ARE CAPABLE OF LYING, because they've done it in the past.

And since I know a computer security expert, and I listen to others, I have a much better idea of what is possible and what isn't than you do.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Thursday, August 3, 2017 4:27 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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It's entirely LOGICAL that you DO NOT know what the FBI and CIA and NSA know or how they know it. You can't possibly unless you work there. You simply have no idea what they are capable of.

I KNOW THEY ARE CAPABLE OF LYING, because they've done it in the past.

And since I know a computer security expert, and I listen to others, I have a much better idea of what is possible and what isn't than you do.

Let's pause for a meta break brought to you by Matt Taibbi:

www.vox.com/2017/8/3/16072242/donald-trump-matt-taibbi-interview-scara
mucci


Trump’s election pitch was basically, “Pull the lever for me and you’ll horrify them all.”

From my point of view, Trump looks like a historically incompetent politician. From his voters’ point of view, it's a conspiracy of elites out to get him. So I wouldn't expect to see mass defections anytime soon. Politics is like sports now. I mean, how many sports fans do you know who will pick up the news one morning and say, "You know what? I'm not gonna be a Yankees fan anymore.” They’re Yankees fans for life. And that’s how people are about politics now, certainly more than they were before.

When Trump said last year that he could shoot somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue and not lose any voters, he was right — and I think that’s probably more true now than it was during the campaign. This entire two-year period has become a pitched cultural battle. People have picked sides, and once you’ve chosen a side, that’s it.

We have a long way to go before we get to the bottom of how bad things could be. I mean, right now it's mostly just amusing. There is no nuclear war or constitutional crisis or troops in the street or financial bubbles bursting or a currency devaluation. Until something terrible happens, it’s just a fucking game for a lot of people.

I was in Russia when the ruble devalued in the early ’90s, and people who’d been saving cash their whole lives in their mattresses woke up one morning and it was all worthless — and it all happened in what felt like overnight. After that, there were catastrophic changes in society happening every 10 seconds. We’re nowhere near this kind of disorder.

We basically have a highly functioning society that is going through a lot of embarrassment. The country hasn’t started to disintegrate yet. Americans who haven't been through the experience of seeing a full-blown collapse of an industrial power have no idea how bad it can get.

Today, I’m not sure how healthy our system is. I know we’re in a very divided time. And we’ve got this maniac in office who probably feels like he can’t leave because he’ll be prosecuted if he does, so his best chance of staying out of trouble is to clutch power like a Third World kleptocrat.

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Thursday, August 3, 2017 4:49 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh god.

More bullshit and psychologizing from SECOND.

But no actual ... yanno... evidence.

I have an idea, SECOND: You would do RWE a lot better service if you would stop being so devoted to gossip.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Thursday, August 3, 2017 5:37 PM

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Oh god.

More bullshit and psychologizing from SECOND.

But no actual ... yanno... evidence.

I have an idea, SECOND: You would do RWE a lot better service if you would stop being so devoted to gossip.

Is this gossip, too, because the law has not been passed?

There’s a move afoot in the Senate to prevent President Trump from firing Robert Mueller, the special prosecutor investigating his campaign connections with Russia:

On Thursday, Sens. Thom Tillis (R-NC) and Chris Coons (D-DE), two members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, announced they would introduce a bill to allow Justice Department special counsels, like Mueller, to challenge their removals in court . . . The decision is a preemptive attempt to curtail the president, who has publicly criticized Mueller and derided the Russia investigation.

www.vox.com/2017/8/3/16090436/mueller-trump-bill-senate

In the past week, the Senate has (a) passed a Russia sanctions bill Trump opposes, (b) snubbed Trump’s demand that they keep trying to pass health care reform, (c) spurned Trump’s position on the debt ceiling, and (d) introduced a bill to protect Mueller from possible Trump reprisals.

Do Republicans in the Senate care at all about what Trump says anymore? It doesn’t much seem like it, which is gossip up until the point when the Senate comes after Trump with a meat ax to cut him into little bloody chunks.

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Thursday, August 3, 2017 7:57 PM

THGRRI


Is anyone keeping track? Is anyone keeping track of all the lies SIG has posted on the many different topics she has engaged in, only to be proven wrong in the end?

It would be outstanding to see all the threads in which she was on the wrong of the truth, exposed in a single post. The very thought of it pleases me to no end.






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Friday, August 4, 2017 2:31 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Is anyone keeping track? Is anyone keeping track of all the lies SIG has posted on the many different topics she has engaged in, only to be proven wrong in the end?
It would be outstanding to see all the threads in which she was on the wrong of the truth, exposed in a single post. The very thought of it pleases me to no end. - THUGR




Well then, get to it!

Start going through all of my posts, find the parts where you think I "lied", and then show where I was wrong. According to you, I lie all the time, so it should be easy! It's not beyond you! Instead of making idle insinuations, stand behind your words, man! Take the time and do it.

I'd be be very interested in what you find.



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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581

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Friday, August 4, 2017 3:33 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Is anyone keeping track? Is anyone keeping track of all the lies SIG has posted on the many different topics she has engaged in, only to be proven wrong in the end?
It would be outstanding to see all the threads in which she was on the wrong of the truth, exposed in a single post. The very thought of it pleases me to no end. - THUGR




Well then, get to it!

Start going through all of my posts, find the parts where you think I "lied", and then show where I was wrong. According to you, I lie all the time, so it should be easy! It's not beyond you! Instead of making idle insinuations, stand behind your words, man! Take the time and do it.

I'd be be very interested in what you find.




Come on SIG. It's damn near every thread you start or partake in.






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Friday, August 4, 2017 4:08 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Is anyone keeping track? Is anyone keeping track of all the lies SIG has posted on the many different topics she has engaged in, only to be proven wrong in the end?
It would be outstanding to see all the threads in which she was on the wrong of the truth, exposed in a single post. The very thought of it pleases me to no end. - THUGR


Well then, get to it!
Start going through all of my posts, find the parts where you think I "lied", and then show where I was wrong. According to you, I lie all the time, so it should be easy! It's not beyond you! Instead of making idle insinuations, stand behind your words, man! Take the time and do it.
I'd be be very interested in what you find.- SIGNY

Come on SIG. It's damn near every thread you start or partake in. - THUGR

C'mon THUGR. That should make it easy. Or is this yet another one of your completely pointless posts?? So hop to it, my friend. Show that there really IS something behind your (so far) pointless points





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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581

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Friday, August 4, 2017 4:19 PM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

And since I know a computer security expert, and I listen to others, I have a much better idea of what is possible and what isn't than you do.




You KNOW I'm not a computer expert? OR, you KNOW I don't know any computer security experts? You KNOW your computer expert KNOWS what our intel agencies KNOW? How do you KNOW these things? You can't possibly KNOW any of those things. I'm thinking you don't know what the word KNOW means.

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Friday, August 4, 2017 4:45 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

And since I know a computer security expert, and I listen to others, I have a much better idea of what is possible and what isn't than you do.




You KNOW I'm not a computer expert? OR, you KNOW I don't know any computer security experts? You KNOW your computer expert KNOWS what our intel agencies KNOW? How do you KNOW these things? You can't possibly KNOW any of those things. I'm thinking you don't know what the word KNOW means.

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You name a subject and SIG personally knows an expert in the field. Or, if there's a conflict going on she either knows someone caught in the middle, reporting on it, or just fled the area. Every time she makes a claim like that I just laugh. Much like I am now.






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Friday, August 4, 2017 8:23 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Is anyone keeping track? Is anyone keeping track of all the lies SIG has posted on the many different topics she has engaged in, only to be proven wrong in the end?
It would be outstanding to see all the threads in which she was on the wrong of the truth, exposed in a single post. The very thought of it pleases me to no end. - THUGR


Well then, get to it!
Start going through all of my posts, find the parts where you think I "lied", and then show where I was wrong. According to you, I lie all the time, so it should be easy! It's not beyond you! Instead of making idle insinuations, stand behind your words, man! Take the time and do it.
I'd be be very interested in what you find.- SIGNY

Come on SIG. It's damn near every thread you start or partake in. - THUGR

C'mon THUGR. That should make it easy. Or is this yet another one of your completely pointless posts?? So hop to it, my friend. Show that there really IS something behind your (so far) pointless points





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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581


This is a fair challenge, a throwing down of the gauntlet. Although who could possibly trust Thuggery to decipher truth amongst all his BS?
But since Siggy has already just proven that it was possible to wade through piles of BS to find the nuggets of truth buried within, it seems only fair that the side opposed to truth attempt to do the same exercise.

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Friday, August 4, 2017 8:27 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Siggy, I see in your OP that you feel the deficit should be reduced. Do you think that the Debt Ceiling should be increased again, particularly in a few months to maintain the every-year-occurance streak?

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Friday, August 4, 2017 8:45 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Signym, you want evidence before you decide the Russian government's guilt or innocence.
Yep, that's how it's supposed to work, SECOND. EVIDENCE FIRST, THEN A DECISION. Doing anything else is supremely stupid.

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But no one will explain the evidence to you because it makes no difference what you decide.
No one CAN explain the evidence to me BECAUSE THERE IS NONE.

The FBI hasn't even examined the DNC server. On what grounds can they POSSIBLY know what happened?

As I have linked to experts before (on NPR, even!) who explain that "attribution" is extremely difficult. There is CLEARLY NSA software which can masquerade one source for another; it's splattered all over the dark net and impossible to deny.

But it sure didn't help that the DNC refused to make the server available for examination, and the FBI went along this this because ....??

Unless you can examine the server log timestamps (eg look at the date and rate of file xfer) or you can examine the copied files for the same thing, or look at other physical attributes of the files, or examine badge access records (assuming there were badged locks in place) YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO PRODUCE EVIDENCE THAT'S ANY BETTER THAN TOILET PAPER. Unless Julian Assange reveals the source, or the source comes forward him/herself, or a "smoking gun" emerges from the depths of the security state which admits to a false flag, it's entirely possible that we will NEVER know accessed the files.

That bears repetition: It's entirely possible that we will NEVER know accessed the files.

That's the nature of computer hacking, SECOND. Of all of the possible crimes and misdeed to commit, this leaves the least evidence for examination. It could have been anyone, literally. No evidence has emerged which either rules in/out any suspect, especially not even the CIA or NSA itself.

But how can you tailor the evidence to be selected if you don't already have a predetermined conclusion?

Not having a predetermined conclusion and suffering the whims of unfiltered evidence is like using science or logic to formulate your results - like conservatives. Can't allow that, now can we?

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Friday, August 4, 2017 8:45 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I think the debt should be REDUCED, starting with CIA, NSA, and State Dept budgets and moving on to big-ticket items like the F-35 and our endless wars.

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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581

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Friday, August 4, 2017 8:58 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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You name a subject and SIG personally knows an expert in the field. Or, if there's a conflict going on she either knows someone caught in the middle, reporting on it, or just fled the area.
I guess I know a lot more intelligent people than you do!

Here's the thing: Hubby works for a major private university and he's prolly the smartest man any of you could ever hope to meet. In addition, I know a Canadian who has a near-eidetic memory who is a "people-collector", and he did what people like that do ... he went into journalism. Not only did he live on a kibbutz (just in case you don't know, that's Israel) and learn Hebrew and was politically active there, he also lived in Egypt and learned a smattering of Arabic, he lived briefly in Nicaragua, and was for a while an able-bodied seaman on Great Lakes bulk freighters. He knows (among other people) the XXX station chief in one our major mideast ally nations, political activists in Indonesia, and political activists across Canada. During hsi college years, which was many years ago, he even crossed paths with Vandana Shiva. I will ask him if I can reveal his name.

My lab has employees from Indonesia, Ethiopia, mainland China, Taiwan, India, and Finland, as well as from across the USA. And since we have many student interns and temporary workers passing through, I get to talk to people from Syria, Russia, France, and elsewhere.

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Every time she makes a claim like that I just laugh. Much like I am now.
YOU know somebody who can access lot of information: ME. KIKI is also very knowledgeable.

But here's the difference between you and me: When I get a chance to hear a perspective that I might not otherwise have encountered, I LISTEN. YOU just plug your ears. And that's why YOU never learn anything.



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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581

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Friday, August 4, 2017 9:32 PM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Gawd you're so full of shit:

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Here's the thing: Hubby works for a major private university and he's prolly the smartest man any of you could ever hope to meet.



How do you know who I know? How do you know who any of us know? Pathetic.

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In addition, I know a Canadian who has a near-eidetic memory who is a "people-collector", and he did what people like that do ... he went into journalism. Not only did he live on a kibbutz (just in case you don't know, that's Israel) and learn Hebrew and was politically active there, he also lived in Egypt and learned a smattering of Arabic, he lived briefly in Nicaragua, and was for a while an able-bodied seaman on Great Lakes bulk freighters. He knows (among other people) the XXX station chief in one our major mideast ally nations, political activists in Indonesia, and political activists across Canada. During hsi college years, which was many years ago, he even crossed paths with Vandana Shiva. I will ask him if I can reveal his name.



You want to reveal someone's name who may not want you to so you can feel big? Pathetic.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
My lab has employees from Indonesia, Ethiopia, mainland China, Taiwan, India, and Finland, as well as from across the USA. And since we have many student interns and temporary workers passing through, I get to talk to people from Syria, Russia, France, and elsewhere.



So? You ever work for someone? Were you always honest with them or did you tell them what they wanted to hear? I imagine people working for you are like, "tell her what she wants to hear so she'll stfu."

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But here's the difference between you and me: When I get a chance to hear a perspective that I might not otherwise have encountered, I LISTEN. YOU just plug your ears. And that's why YOU never learn anything.



I listened to you before you went Putin crazy, you said some pretty cool things. Since then though you've been total horsesh*t. I learned you presume everyone else here is beneath you, and you never say a critical thing about Putin.

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SIGNYM - By the way, GSTRING, I condescend and insult you every time I talk to you. I'm a total hypocrite."
And voila! I just did!



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Saturday, August 5, 2017 12:06 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Trolling with fake quotes and everything.

Yep. Typical - and pathetically stupid and dishonest - GEEBERS.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Saturday, August 5, 2017 2:22 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Gawd you're so full of shit:

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Here's the thing: Hubby works for a major private university and he's prolly the smartest man any of you could ever hope to meet.


Sig, I have met at least 2 people in my life who I am confident are smarter than myself, but when visiting a sci-fi fan site I generally consider a greater possibility that somebody lurks with more smarts, compared to the gen pop.
Ii would hope you give us some credit.
Btw those 2 people were not in academia, but academia did recovnize them as I did.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SIGNYM - By the way, GSTRING, I condescend and insult you every time I talk to you. I'm a total hypocrite."
And voila! I just did!


G, pretending to quote somebody while falsifying the quote without notation does not reflect well upon you. Or maybe that's the only way you know how to argue.

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Saturday, August 5, 2017 7:57 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Here's the thing: Hubby works for a major private university and he's prolly the smartest man any of you could ever hope to meet. - SIGNY

How do you know who I know? How do you know who any of us know? Pathetic.- GSTRING

Well GSTRING, if you or THUGR know anybody who knows anything about anything, you've made very poor use of that resource. So far, none of your arguments reveal any depth of knowledge about anything, not even secondhand.

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In addition, I know a Canadian who has a near-eidetic memory who is a "people-collector", and he did what people like that do ... he went into journalism. Not only did he live on a kibbutz (just in case you don't know, that's Israel) and learn Hebrew and was politically active there, he also lived in Egypt and learned a smattering of Arabic, he lived briefly in Nicaragua, and was for a while an able-bodied seaman on Great Lakes bulk freighters. He knows (among other people) the XXX station chief in one our major mideast ally nations, political activists in Indonesia, and political activists across Canada. During his college years, which was many years ago, he even crossed paths with Vandana Shiva. I will ask him if I can reveal his name.- SIGNY

You want to reveal someone's name who may not want you to so you can feel big? Pathetic.- GSTRING

He's been pretty open about who he is and what he does. You can't be politically active and not WANT to get your name "out there" because that's part of an activist's advertising. Plus, this guy is just a giant extrovert. But yanno what? I won't bother asking, and you'll just have to wonder who he is.
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My lab has employees from Indonesia, Ethiopia, mainland China, Taiwan, India, and Finland, as well as from across the USA. And since we have many student interns and temporary workers passing through, I get to talk to people from Syria, Russia, France, and elsewhere.- SIGNY

So? You ever work for someone? Were you always honest with them or did you tell them what they wanted to hear? I imagine people working for you are like, "tell her what she wants to hear so she'll stfu."- GSTRING

Actually, none of these people work for me. I don't express my opinion on politics, religion, or sex, or anything other "sensitive" topic with any of my staff because (1) it's against policy and (2) I'm not a jerk. I also tend not to express my opinion to anyone anyway because we all need to be able to work together, so most people don't know a damn thing about what I think about politics or anything else. And quite often these other people tell me surprising things.

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But here's the difference between you and me: When I get a chance to hear a perspective that I might not otherwise have encountered, I LISTEN. YOU just plug your ears. And that's why YOU never learn anything. - SIGNY

I listened to you before you went Putin crazy, you said some pretty cool things. Since then though you've been total horsesh*t. I learned you presume everyone else here is beneath you, - GSTRING.

The only people who I think are beneath me are the people who can't tell the difference between a discussion and a personal attack. In case you missed it: That's YOU, son. You have NEVER .... and I mean NEVER .... managed to make your way through a half of a post without insulting someone personally. You really should look into that.

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and you never say a critical thing about Putin. - GSTRING
Dood, aren't you the person who's posted that talking about Russia is just a distraction from our real problems?

Well, I agree!

Since WE caused most of our own problems, I can't imagine why we should focus anywhere but here for the solution. So why should I focus on some other country? I have no interest in doing your little dance-around-the-fire about Russia, so I don't join in.

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By the way, GSTRING, I really do try to stick to the topic every time I talk to you. It's too bad you can't figure out how to talk to people without insulting them at every oppty


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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581

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Saturday, August 5, 2017 9:38 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Roman Theory 101 and Trump

By Richard Cherwitz

Many of the ways we argue about topics in politics and law have their roots in antiquity — and specifically in classical theories of rhetoric. While we think our discourse today is unique to the times and circumstances in which we live, the reality is that patterns of thinking and talking are inherent in the human condition and therefore may be time-invariant.

Case in point: I am a college professor who teaches Argumentation & Advocacy, a class comprised of dozens of students who eventually become lawyers. In this course students study the Roman concept of “stasis” — a theory delineating all of the issues attorneys in Roman times drew upon to determine whether someone is guilty.

Students learn that, while the Romans couldn’t have predicted the specific content about which we argue in the 21st century, their notion of stasis is applicable, informative and anticipated accurately how we argue today.

Consider the three major points of stasis detailed by the Romans. First are “questions of fact.” This question asks: Did the accused commit the act or do the deed? This is a factual, not a legal question. Second are “questions of definition or interpretation.” Here, attorneys ask: Does the act or deed constitute and meet the definition of the crime? This is a legal question. Finally are “questions of quality or justification.” Put differently: Is there partial or absolute justification explaining why the accused may have committed the deed?

The Romans made clear that several sub-issues help answer the first point of stasis, questions of fact. For example: Is their circumstantial evidence (the place, time and duration of the act) or motives that implicate the accused? In addition, is there past proof (what the accused did or said prior to the act), contemporaneous proof (what was done or said simultaneous to the act) or subsequent proof (evidence such as blood, finger prints obtained after the act occurred) suggesting the accused did the deed?

But there is one sub-issue particularly enlightening in 2017. It was called “argument from consequence.” Roman lawyers often asked: Does the accused person’s behavior show signs or consequences of guilt? In the case of recent allegations made about President Donald Trump, argument from consequence is telling and a paradigmatic example of the applicability of the Roman theory of stasis.

In the past few months Trump has admitted that he fired FBI director James Comey because of the Russian investigation. In his tweets there are numerous examples of inconsistency where Trump contradicted what members of his own administration said.

Revelations in recent weeks perhaps are the most curious. Trump asked his advisers about the rules pertaining to presidential pardons and doubled down on his efforts to undermine the investigation by the special prosecutor. Although some find all of this innocuous, many people wonder whether Trump’s actions and words expose a person who did things that are wrong and perhaps illegal — someone who shows the “consequences” of guilt.

Many legal observers and members of the media reasonably ask: If Trump isn’t guilty of wrongdoing and subsequently covering it up, why would he say and do the things he does? After all, as the Romans knew, perhaps only a guilty person would behave that way?

While the argument from consequence does not in and of itself prove that Trump is guilty, it is extremely relevant and informative. Hence, it underscores why we should remind ourselves and our students that the ways people think and argue are deeply rooted in the human condition and are explained by philosophers thousands of years ago.

www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/outlook/article/Cherwitz-A-Trump-cove
rup-Look-to-the-Romans-11735528.php


Cherwitz is the Ernest S. Sharpe Centennial Professor in the Moody College of Communication, as well as Founder and Director of the Intellectual Entrepreneurship Consortium (IE) at the University of Texas at Austin.

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Saturday, August 5, 2017 1:00 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Because we need to apply Roman-imperial law to Trump instead of American-constitutional law !

Whatever, SECOND.

Hey! I have an idea! Why don't you just keep spinning your wheels and digging yourself into your ever-deepening, mendacious, self-serving rut. What's that you say? You already are? Well then!


Carry on.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Saturday, August 5, 2017 1:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Because we need to apply Roman-imperial law to Trump instead of American-constitutional law !

Whatever, SECOND.

Hey! I have an idea! Why don't you just keep spinning your wheels and digging yourself into your ever-deepening, mendacious, self-serving rut. What's that you say? You already are? Well then!


Carry on.

1kiki, there are five types of Trump backers. Which kind are you? And how did you get there from being a Bernie Sanders supporter a year ago? I only ask because you might be a rare type 6, where you're the only known member of that type.

The 5 types of Trump voter: How a fractured coalition can lead to broken promises
By Emily Ekins, 08/05/17 07:00 AM EDT

1) One group of Trump backers, whom I call American Preservationists, comprise Trump’s core base of supporters who propelled him through the primaries. They have lower incomes and education and are underemployed. Nearly half of those working age are on Medicaid. Out of step with Republican orthodoxy, Preservationists favor tax hikes on the wealthy, are deeply skeptical of immigration — both legal and illegal — and overwhelmingly support a temporary ban on Muslim immigration. They also feel less favorable toward immigrants and racial minorities, and nearly half think being of European descent is important for being truly American.

2) Free Marketeers are 25 percent of Trump’s backers and they are the mirror image of American Preservationists, having the highest incomes and education levels. They are most skeptical of Trump, with most saying they voted against Hillary Clinton rather than for Trump. In contrast to the Preservationists, these are small government fiscal conservatives who embrace free trade. At the same time, they are as likely as Democrats to have warm feelings toward immigrants and racial minorities, and to support making legal immigration easier.

3) The largest Trump voter group is the Staunch Conservatives. They are 31 percent of his support and were the group that combined with the American Preservationists to give Trump the Republican nomination. They are loyal Republicans with conventionally conservative positions on social and economic issues. They also have warm feelings toward racial minorities in the U.S. However, although not as hardline as the Preservationists, they too are skeptical of immigration and strongly support a temporary travel ban on Muslims traveling to the U.S.

4) Had Anti-Elites, 19 percent of his voters, not turned against Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump may have lost the presidency. About half had positive views toward Clinton just four years ago. They support a more progressive tax code, a plurality support a pathway to citizenship for unauthorized immigrants, and they are as favorable toward racial minorities as non-Trump voters. Why aren’t the Anti-Elites Democrats? In addition to sharing Trump’s disdain for elites, they soured significantly on Hillary between 2012 and 2016 and are more cautious of immigration than Clinton.

5) Finally, the Disengaged (5 percent) is a small Trump voter group. They don’t know much about politics but what they do know is they are skeptical of immigration and believe the system is rigged against them.

Recognizing Trump’s diverse coalition helps explain why Republicans are having difficulty governing in Washington today.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/345412-opinio
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Saturday, August 5, 2017 3:37 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Roman Theory 101 and Trump

Cherwitz is the Ernest S. Sharpe Centennial Professor in the Moody College of Communication,

Well, certainly unbiased and balanced concepts all around, right?
Quote:

as well as Founder and Director of the Intellectual Entrepreneurship Consortium (IE) at the University of Texas at Austin.

Wait a second - Intellectual and UT-Austin??? Aren't those mutually exclusive terms?

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Saturday, August 5, 2017 4:33 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
there are five types of Trump backers. Which kind are you?

WOW. Strawmaning, a personal attack, and completely devoid of the TOPIC - all in 11 words!

You've gotten good at being a troll!

Meanwhile ...




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Saturday, August 5, 2017 4:35 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


...

Because we need to apply Roman-imperial law to Trump instead of American-constitutional law !

Whatever, SECOND.

Hey! I have an idea! Why don't you just keep spinning your wheels and digging yourself into your ever-deepening, mendacious, self-serving rut. What's that you say? You already are? Well then!


Carry on.







Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Sunday, August 6, 2017 8:44 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

There are five types of Trump backers. Which kind are you? -SLOPPYSECONDS

WOW. Strawmaning, a personal attack, and completely devoid of the TOPIC - all in 11 words!
You've gotten good at being a troll! = KIKI

Too funny! You've captured SECOND'S stinky essence in 21 precise words! My hat's off to you!



-----------
By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581

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Sunday, August 6, 2017 9:08 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Too funny! You've captured SECOND'S stinky essence in 21 precise words! My hat's off to you!

Senator Jeff Flake (R-AZ) captures Trump's essence in 20 words:

My Party Is in Denial About Donald Trump
We created him, and now we’re rationalizing him. When will it stop?

www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/31/my-party-is-in-denial-about
-donald-trump-215442


It was we conservatives who were largely silent when the most egregious and sustained attacks on Obama’s legitimacy were leveled by marginal figures who would later be embraced and legitimized by far too many of us. It was we conservatives who rightly and robustly asserted our constitutional prerogatives as a co-equal branch of government when a Democrat was in the White House but who, despite solemn vows to do the same in the event of a Trump presidency, have maintained an unnerving silence as instability has ensued.

Under our Constitution, there simply are not that many people who are in a position to do something about an executive branch in chaos. As the first branch of government (Article I), the Congress was designed expressly to assert itself at just such moments. . . . Too often, we observe the unfolding drama along with the rest of the country, passively, all but saying, “Someone should do something!” without seeming to realize that that someone is us.

Conduct that would have had conservatives up in arms had it been exhibited by our political opponents now had us dumbstruck.

We have taken our “institutions conducive to freedom,” as Goldwater put it, for granted as we have engaged in one of the more reckless periods of politics in our history. In 2017, we seem to have lost our appreciation for just how hard won and vulnerable those institutions are.

---------------------------------

Congress gets to set its own definition of high crimes and misdemeanors. At what point does destroying the country’s standing in the world and lying about everything to everyone not rise to the level of a misdemeanor?

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Monday, August 7, 2017 12:36 PM

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What does Trump actually want to do as president? The answer is unclear.

Trump doesn’t seem to have defined goals or means to achieve them.

There are many, many frustrating elements to this administration. But perhaps the most basic is that it’s not easy to figure out what Donald Trump actually wants out of the presidency.

Most presidents have multiple goals for the office:

Accomplish the policy objectives of their party
Accomplish their own policy objectives
Win reelection, and perhaps elect a chosen successor
Some sense of “public service”
Lead the nation in times of crisis
Build their own power
Boost their egos

Only the last clearly matters to Trump. Otherwise, his behavior doesn’t seem to make sense in pursuit of any of these goals. The appointment of John Kelly as White House chief of staff indicates that Trump might be seeking to become more effective. But to what end?

More "Evidence" at www.vox.com/mischiefs-of-faction/2017/8/7/16099958/trump-president-age
nda

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Monday, August 7, 2017 12:45 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
What does Trump actually want to do as president? The answer is unclear.

Trump doesn’t seem to have defined goals or means to achieve them.




It is as plain as can be. Trump gives voice to those who feel, and are for the most part, disenfranchised. He uses their anger as a tool to manipulate them.

His willingness to pass bills that would be incredibly destructive to his base, shows his message does not reflect his interests, which is pass anything, and he will spin it so he lives another day. He can't survive that way for too much longer.






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Monday, August 7, 2017 1:18 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


What the fuck all does this pretend mind reading have to do with evidence?
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
What does Trump actually want to do as president? The answer is unclear.

Trump doesn’t seem to have defined goals or means to achieve them.




It is as plain as can be. Trump gives voice to those who feel, and are for the most part, disenfranchised. He uses their anger as a tool to manipulate them.

His willingness to pass bills that would be incredibly destructive to his base, shows his message does not reflect his interests, which is pass anything, and he will spin it so he lives another day. He can't survive that way for too much longer.











Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Monday, August 7, 2017 1:57 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

What the fuck all does this pretend mind reading have to do with evidence?
That's not a rhetorical question.







Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Monday, August 7, 2017 2:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

What the fuck all does this pretend mind reading have to do with evidence?
That's not a rhetorical question.

This isn't a rhetorical question, either: How could a mature adult with all his faculties intact get tangled up in this Russia controversy? Because if he was paying attention he could have easily avoided all his troubles. That is why I keep bringing up evidence that Trump isn't a mature adult and doesn't have adult goals or an adult work ethic. Need I add his mouth lacks adult self-control?

Most people, even if they were abysmally ignorant, would learn some things over the course of two years of campaigning and being president. Even if, like Trump, they declined to read anything, they’d pick up stuff by osmosis. There’s a helluva lot of expert conversation that surrounds people like Trump, and you can hardly help but learn from it unless you’re actively trying to block it out.

Apparently that’s what Trump does. It’s not just that he’s galactically ignorant, it’s that he actively works to stay that way. What kind of person is so afraid of facts and knowledge that he actually spends emotional energy to prevent learning anything, even if that learning is essentially free?

Alternatively, Trump is no longer completely in control of his faculties and simply forgets stuff almost as soon as he hears it. The evidence points to it being some of both.

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Monday, August 7, 2017 7:35 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I asked first. I'll be waiting for your DIRECT ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.

Quote:

What the fuck all does this pretend mind reading have to do with evidence?
That's not a rhetorical question.







Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.


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Monday, August 7, 2017 9:14 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I asked first. I'll be waiting for your DIRECT ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.

Quote:

What the fuck all does this pretend mind reading have to do with evidence?
That's not a rhetorical question.




Do us all a favor and hold your breath while you wait.






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Monday, August 7, 2017 9:28 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




I asked first. I'll be waiting for your DIRECT ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.

Quote:

What the fuck all does this pretend mind reading have to do with evidence?
That's not a rhetorical question.







Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.



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Monday, August 7, 2017 11:32 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I asked first. I'll be waiting for your DIRECT ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.
Quote:

What the fuck all does this pretend mind reading have to do with evidence?
That's not a rhetorical question.

Good point. Libtards only have pretend facts, they have nothing else. These pretenses are what they consider to be evidence.

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Saturday, September 2, 2017 9:28 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Sooooo, has any evidence been generated?
It seemed this thread had faded once the facts showed "no"

Or is the evidence still "but Trump"?

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Wednesday, September 6, 2017 12:00 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Sooooo, has any evidence been generated?
It seemed this thread had faded once the facts showed "no"

Or is the evidence still "but Trump"?



crickets.

Meuller: crick crick crick crick.

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Wednesday, September 6, 2017 1:14 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


no kidding




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Wednesday, September 6, 2017 8:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

no kidding

Master spy novelist John le Carré has thoughts on how Trump might fall. "I hope there will be a point when somebody goes to Trump and says, your family is so deeply involved in this that you have a choice: You either fade away or we disrupt the house of Trump in ways that would be very painful to you." That sounds like a line from a spy novel. Interviewers can’t help but bring up the “nothing is what it seems” rumors swirling around the pathological liar Donald Trump.

https://qz.com/1070419

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, September 6, 2017 12:14 PM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Sooooo, has any evidence been generated?
It seemed this thread had faded once the facts showed "no"

Or is the evidence still "but Trump"?



crickets.

Meuller: crick crick crick crick.



How do you think this works? Mueller calls cnn every day with updates?
I commiserate to some extent - I'd love to know what they know too. I guess it's a shame his investigation isn't as leaky as the white house.

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Wednesday, September 6, 2017 1:57 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by SECOND:
I have to quote novelists making up fiction when it comes to real-world evidence!




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Wednesday, September 6, 2017 1:59 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by GEEBERS:
I have to lie to make my point!




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Wednesday, September 6, 2017 3:46 PM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by GEEBERS:
I have to lie to make my point!



That's a lie.

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Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:32 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Since I can't back up my lies with facts because - yanno, they're LIES - all I'm left with is doubling down.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Wednesday, September 6, 2017 7:24 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by GEEBERS:
I have to lie to make my point!


Since August 7, the only new facts or evidence posted are you reminding us that the other posts are lies. 30 days.

They seem to be hanging on the inventiveness of Mueller and his ability to fabricate evidence.

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Thursday, September 7, 2017 7:50 AM

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We don't know what's going to happen with Donald Trump's train wreck of a presidency. But it might be instructive to have a look at... WHAT WE KNOW WILL NOT HAPPEN:

Aide to Trump: "Here's how you could abuse your executive powers to punish your enemies."
Trump: "How dare you! No matter how desperate my situation, I will uphold the norms and values of our shared American ideals!"

The Mueller report is out! And it is explosive and damning!
Trump: "I'll read it carefully and abide by its irrefutable conclusions."

You could pardon these conspirators. There's even a bad argument you could pardon yourself.
Trump: "Bite your tongue! Anyone who participated in Russian election interference must pay the criminal price!"

Your most loyal following remaining is the White Supremacy movement!
Trump: "Well, I won't mobilize them in any way! They're despicable, violent, well-armed, and they love me!"

Mr. President, you've been impeached.
Trump: "Then I must leave office peacefully, for an orderly succession of power is in the best interests of the U.S.A."

Whatever happened to Donald Trump?
America: "Who knows? He shuns the spotlight, and is probably off somewhere quietly doing good works."

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, September 7, 2017 9:37 AM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Since August 7, the only new facts or evidence posted are you reminding us that the other posts are lies. 30 days.

They seem to be hanging on the inventiveness of Mueller and his ability to fabricate evidence.



Again: how do you think this works? That Mueller releases a linky to what he is working on every day? Or maybe you think all he has to do is call Trump and Trump says, "Yep! Ya got me!"

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Thursday, September 7, 2017 1:27 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
We don't know what's going to happen with Donald Trump's train wreck of a presidency. But it might be instructive to have a look at... WHAT WE KNOW WILL NOT HAPPEN:

Aide to Trump: "Here's how you could abuse your executive powers to punish your enemies."
Trump: "How dare you! No matter how desperate my situation, I will uphold the norms and values of our shared American ideals!"

The Mueller report is out! And it is explosive and damning!
Trump: "I'll read it carefully and abide by its irrefutable conclusions."

You could pardon these conspirators. There's even a bad argument you could pardon yourself.
Trump: "Bite your tongue! Anyone who participated in Russian election interference must pay the criminal price!"

Your most loyal following remaining is the White Supremacy movement!
Trump: "Well, I won't mobilize them in any way! They're despicable, violent, well-armed, and they love me!"

Mr. President, you've been impeached.
Trump: "Then I must leave office peacefully, for an orderly succession of power is in the best interests of the U.S.A."

Whatever happened to Donald Trump?
America: "Who knows? He shuns the spotlight, and is probably off somewhere quietly doing good works."

Is this a prediction?

I don't recall Slick Willie leaving office TWICE after being Impeached twice, despite the fact that it would have been best for the country.

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Thursday, September 7, 2017 1:27 PM

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Originally posted by second:
We don't know what's going to happen with Donald Trump's train wreck of a presidency. But it might be instructive to have a look at... WHAT WE KNOW WILL NOT HAPPEN:

Aide to Trump: "Here's how you could abuse your executive powers to punish your enemies."
Trump: "How dare you! No matter how desperate my situation, I will uphold the norms and values of our shared American ideals!"

The Mueller report is out! And it is explosive and damning!
Trump: "I'll read it carefully and abide by its irrefutable conclusions."

You could pardon these conspirators. There's even a bad argument you could pardon yourself.
Trump: "Bite your tongue! Anyone who participated in Russian election interference must pay the criminal price!"

Your most loyal following remaining is the White Supremacy movement!
Trump: "Well, I won't mobilize them in any way! They're despicable, violent, well-armed, and they love me!"

Mr. President, you've been impeached.
Trump: "Then I must leave office peacefully, for an orderly succession of power is in the best interests of the U.S.A."

Whatever happened to Donald Trump?
America: "Who knows? He shuns the spotlight, and is probably off somewhere quietly doing good works."

Is this a prediction?

I don't recall Slick Willie leaving office TWICE after being Impeached twice, despite the fact that it would have been best for the country.

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