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The US is sabre rattling --- again. The question is, will the US people fall for it --- again.

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Tuesday, August 8, 2017 6:39 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


GSTRING: Oh, boo hoo hoo. So I strawmanned you. And yes, I did it on purpose. For all of the times that you strawmanned me, you got a little of it back. Pobrecito!

Now that THAT'S cleared up, how about putting on your big-boy pants and telling us your opinion: Should EVERYONE get rid of their nuclear weapons?

Yes or no?

Now lets see how often you mange to dodge, deflect, and evade a straight answer.

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coward



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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581

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Tuesday, August 8, 2017 7:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Now that THAT'S cleared up, how about putting on your big-boy pants and telling us your opinion: Should EVERYONE get rid of their nuclear weapons?

Yes or no?

Now lets see how often you mange to dodge, deflect, and evade a straight answer.

Yes. Everyone gets rid of their nukes. Give me a straight answer: Is this worse than or equal to saber-rattling? "North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen," Trump told reporters at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey. Signym picked Trump as the President who comes with a dump truck load of quirks and personality kinks.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-warns-nkorea-will-be-met-with-fire-
and-fury-if-threatens-us/ar-AApJjH4

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Tuesday, August 8, 2017 8:14 PM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
GSTRING: Oh, boo hoo hoo. So I strawmanned you. And yes, I did it on purpose. For all of the times that you strawmanned me, you got a little of it back. Pobrecito!

Now that THAT'S cleared up, how about putting on your big-boy pants and telling us your opinion: Should EVERYONE get rid of their nuclear weapons?

Yes or no?

Now lets see how often you mange to dodge, deflect, and evade a straight answer.




What a worthless lying... I can't imagine why I would try and talk with someone who can't even explain or defend what they said. Cya

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Tuesday, August 8, 2017 11:42 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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The threat of nuclear war is a tactic used by North Korea and Russia to try and leverage what they want. They hype the threat via government statements and propaganda to try and influence and intimidate Western (and South Korean) public opinion. Russia is more toned-down than North Korea, but it is essentially the same tactic.
Neither NK nor Russia have anything to GAIN from STARTING a nuclear war. And while NK has certainly blustered, their chances of being decimated in a nuclear exchange with the US are 100%, while ours are zero. Meanwhile, Russia has said it will RESPOND to aggression by going nuclear. But the outcome is MAD.

The answer is simple.

Tell NK they have nothing to fear from the US. But if they should launch first, they will be blown to ashes.

And stop provoking Russia in an insane game of nuclear chicken.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Tuesday, August 8, 2017 11:48 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Some are trying to claim that it's the USA, not NK, who is " sabre rattling "
The US is sabre rattling in Europe. Despite a half-dozen articles and posts on the topic, and despite the fact that you actually responded to them (did you read any of them at all before you posted?), it looks like you missed the detail about location.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Wednesday, August 9, 2017 12:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

The answer is simple.

Tell NK they have nothing to fear from the US. But if they should launch first, they will be blown to ashes.

And stop provoking Russia in an insane game of nuclear chicken.

The answer is not simple for one reason beyond control: Trump. Trump’s dire threat to North Korea that it risked “fire and fury like the world has never seen” sounded like a threat of nuclear war.

Trump has “unchecked authority to order the use of conventional or nuclear weapons against North Korea,” Bruce G. Blair, a nuclear security expert at Princeton University’s Program on Science and Global Security. said in an e-mail. “I believe that both options are being prepared right now.”

“President Trump has unchecked power over the US nuclear arsenal, which is another reason why deescalation is critical. If conflict erupts, two inexperienced leaders with poor impulse control have nuclear weapons at their fingertips. That is a chilling scenario that the international community would do best to avoid,” said Kelsey Davenport, director for nonproliferation policy at the nonprofit Arms Control Association.

Davenport said Trump’s comments were “ill-advised and inflammatory.”

“Loose talk inciting conflict will only continue to spur North Korea to continue advancing its nuclear and misfile programs. Pressure alone is not going to reduce the threat posed by Pyongyang,” she said, “Talks are necessary.”

www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/08/08/president-trump-does-have-power-o
rder-nuclear-attack/a9MRj6gKeS6yYbdNTYeu8N/story.html



www.businessinsider.com/nuclear-weapons-stockpiles-world-map-2017-8

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Wednesday, August 9, 2017 1:59 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Hillary Clinton - threatening countries at every turn because only war brings peace.

https://www.democrats.org/party-platform

North Korea

North Korea is perhaps the most repressive regime on the planet, run by a sadistic dictator. It has conducted several nuclear tests and is attempting to develop the capability to put a nuclear warhead on a long-range missile that could directly threaten the United States. The regime is also responsible for grave human rights abuses against the North Korean people. Yet Donald Trump praises North Korea’s dictator; threatens to abandon our treaty allies, Japan and South Korea; and encourages the proliferation of nuclear weapons in the region. This approach is incoherent and rather than solving a global crisis, would create a new one. Democrats will protect America and our allies, press China to restrain North Korea, and sharpen the choices for Pyongyang to compel it to abandon its illegal nuclear and missile programs.

Asia-Pacific

From the Asia Pacific to the Indian Ocean, we will deepen our relationships in the region with Australia, Japan, New Zealand, the Philippines, South Korea, and Thailand. We will honor our historic commitment to Japan. We will continue to invest in a long-term strategic partnership with India—the world’s largest democracy, a nation of great diversity, and an important Pacific power. We will build on the historic opening with Burma and advocate for greater human rights protections and national reconciliation among Burma’s many different ethnic groups. We will help Pakistan stabilize its polity and build an effective relationship with the predominantly young population of this strategically located, nuclear-armed country. We will also work with our allies and partners to fortify regional institutions and norms as well as protect freedom of the seas in the South China Sea.

Democrats will push back against North Korean aggression and press China to play by the rules. We will stand up to Beijing on unfair trade practices, currency manipulation, censorship of the internet, piracy, and cyberattacks. And we will look for areas of cooperation, including on combatting climate change and nuclear proliferation. We will promote greater respect for human rights, including the rights of Tibetans. We are committed to a “One China” policy and the Taiwan Relations Act and will continue to support a peaceful resolution of Cross-Strait issues that is consistent with the wishes and best interests of the people of Taiwan.

Russia

Russia is engaging in destabilizing actions along its borders, violating Ukraine’s sovereignty and attempting to recreate spheres of influence that undermine American interests. It is also propping up the Assad regime in Syria, which is brutally attacking its own citizens. Donald Trump would overturn more than 50 years of American foreign policy by abandoning NATO partners—countries who help us fight terrorism every day—and embracing Russian President Vladimir Putin instead. We believe in strong alliances and will deter Russian aggression, build European resilience, and protect our NATO allies. We will make it clear to Putin that we are prepared to cooperate with him when it is in our interest—as we did on reducing nuclear stockpiles, ensuring Iran could not obtain a nuclear weapon, sanctioning North Korea, and resupplying our troops in Afghanistan—but we will not hesitate to stand up to Russian aggression. (wherever on the planet we claim it exists - because - we are the world) We will also continue to stand by the Russian people and push the government to respect the fundamental rights of its citizens.

Europe

Europe remains America’s indispensable partner and a cornerstone of global security. Democrats will stand with our European allies and partners to deter Russian aggression, address security challenges to Europe’s south, and deal with unprecedented economic and social challenges. We will maintain our steadfast commitment to the special relationship with United Kingdom and the transatlantic partnership with the European Union. We will seek to strengthen our strategic partnership with Turkey while pushing for reforms, end the division of Cyprus, and continue to support a close relationship with states that seek to strengthen their ties to NATO and Europe, such as Georgia and Ukraine.

We reject Donald Trump’s threats to abandon our European and NATO allies, all while he praises Putin. When the United States was attacked on September 11, 2001, our NATO allies invoked Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty, stating that an attack against one is an attack against all—for the first and only time in its history. Our NATO allies fought alongside us in Afghanistan and are still there today. We will maintain our Article 5 collective security commitments to NATO because we are stronger when we have our allies at our side. And we will continue to push NATO members to contribute their fair share.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Wednesday, August 9, 2017 2:10 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

GSTRING: Oh, boo hoo hoo. So I strawmanned you. And yes, I did it on purpose. For all of the times that you strawmanned me, you got a little of it back. Pobrecito!

Now that THAT'S cleared up, how about putting on your big-boy pants and telling us your opinion: Should EVERYONE get rid of their nuclear weapons?

Yes or no?

Now lets see how often you mange to dodge, deflect, and evade a straight answer.

What a worthless lying... I can't imagine why I would try and talk with someone who can't even explain or defend what they said. Cya- GSTRING



I DID explain. See above!

And yanno, if I was a big of a baby as you, for all of the times that you outright LIED about me, I should have stopped responded to you a year ago.

So, GSTRING, should EVERYONE get rid of their nuclear weapons?

Yes or no?

Now lets see how often you mange to dodge, deflect, and evade a straight answer.



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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581

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Wednesday, August 9, 2017 6:50 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Some are trying to claim that it's the USA, not NK, who is " sabre rattling "
The US is sabre rattling in Europe. Despite a half-dozen articles and posts on the topic, and despite the fact that you actually responded to them (did you read any of them at all before you posted?), it looks like you missed the detail about location.




Nope, didn't spend 1/2 my day reading the excessive and absurd amount of links, because - work ? life ?

Fine. US is sabre rattling in Europe. Same thing was said during Reagan's era. Worked out pretty well then. Unless we want Russia to roll over more countries, best we not lay down on our backs and spread our legs.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Wednesday, August 9, 2017 7:14 AM

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No matter what awful things happen because of Trump, Hillary is worse in 1kiki's mind than Trump.
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

Hillary Clinton - threatening countries at every turn because only war brings peace.

There is an article explaining 1kiki, Signym and AURaptor: How America Lost Its Mind
The nation’s current post-truth moment is the ultimate expression of mind-sets that have made America exceptional throughout its history.
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/how-america-lost-its-mind
/534231

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Wednesday, August 9, 2017 7:15 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
GSTRING: Oh, boo hoo hoo. So I strawmanned you. And yes, I did it on purpose. For all of the times that you strawmanned me, you got a little of it back. Pobrecito!

Now that THAT'S cleared up, how about putting on your big-boy pants and telling us your opinion: Should EVERYONE get rid of their nuclear weapons?

Yes or no?

Now lets see how often you mange to dodge, deflect, and evade a straight answer.




What a worthless lying... I can't imagine why I would try and talk with someone who can't even explain or defend what they said. Cya

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SIG has to admit she was trolling so she passes it off as tit for tat. Only there was no tat. SIG lives in the world of fallacy, presenting false beliefs based on unsound arguments. It's called trolling.

A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent.






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Wednesday, August 9, 2017 7:53 AM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent.




She definitely subscribes to the concept of lying as a standard form of communication and a perfectly acceptable way to achieve one's goals. Selfish and small to say the least.

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Wednesday, August 9, 2017 8:24 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Hillary is worse than Trump.


Nothing more needs to be said.

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Wednesday, August 9, 2017 8:53 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Hillary is worse than Trump.


Nothing more needs to be said.










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Wednesday, August 9, 2017 11:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Hillary is worse than Trump.


Nothing more needs to be said.

Did you read How America Lost Its Mind? Your face is in the illustrations as a protester. Be proud! You've been immortalized as Art with a capital A.
The nation’s current post-truth moment is the ultimate expression of mind-sets that have made America exceptional throughout its history.
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/how-america-lost-its-mind
/534231


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, August 9, 2017 11:35 AM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Hillary is worse than Trump.



Yeah, we suck mightily - there was no great choice (an obvious one for me, but still not great).

Just for fun: If Hillary's daughter had met with Russians because they sent her an email "we have dirt on Trump" and then she lied about it, and then she lied several more times about who was there, and others in her family lied, and her campaign manager lied, and then Hillary's AG lied about meeting with Russians, and then she had to fire her appointed head of national security because he'd been meeting with Russians... and lied about it and then Hillary fired the head of the FBI because he was looking into her connections with Russians that she'd lied about... you see where I'm going, right? She'd be long gone by now.

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Wednesday, August 9, 2017 11:42 AM

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You are too hard on Trump, AURapture, 1kiki, Signym, etc. They and foreign leaders can’t trust what Trump says. An adversary has no idea whether to take threats from Trump seriously (to say nothing of literally). He’s a man who made empty threats throughout his career, repeatedly suggesting he’d sue people who said and did things he didn’t like. In many cases, he did not follow through. If you’re North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, why should you believe that his threats of force are any more real? Trump’s strategy with North Korea has been compared to Richard Nixon’s “madman theory,” in which the former president wanted enemies to believe he was capable of anything, because he was insane. An equally likely (or even more likely) outcome is that North Korea will conclude that Trump is capable of nothing, based on past results. Big bag of hot air Trump.

www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/trump-makes-his-case-in-p
ittsburgh/501335
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Wednesday, August 9, 2017 11:50 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Hey there SLOPPY SECONDS!

"No matter what awful things happen because of Trump, Hillary is worse in 1kiki's mind than Trump."

Strawman! Try again.


But try and be a little more honest this time.






Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Wednesday, August 9, 2017 12:13 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So, to get back to our current situation IN REAL LIFE ...

No politician (not even Saint Hillary) has treated NK as anything less than a political opportunity to boost their own brand by taking aim at the country. But enough about NK. It's not a real problem, though it sure is good advertising.

In the background, the RUSSIA !!! program is moving forward, which is far more dangerous.

More later.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Wednesday, August 9, 2017 1:19 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:


She definitely subscribes to the concept of lying as a standard form of communication and a perfectly acceptable way to achieve one's goals. Selfish and small to say the least.- GSTRING



Well then, GSTRING, speak up for yourself man! Tell us what you think!

Should EVERYONE get rid of their nuclear weapons?

Yes or no?

Now lets see how often you mange to dodge, deflect, and evade a straight answer.


-----------
By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581

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Wednesday, August 9, 2017 1:50 PM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:


She definitely subscribes to the concept of lying as a standard form of communication and a perfectly acceptable way to achieve one's goals. Selfish and small to say the least.- GSTRING



Well then, GSTRING, speak up for yourself man! Tell us what you think!

Should EVERYONE get rid of their nuclear weapons?

Yes or no?

Now lets see how often you mange to dodge, deflect, and evade a straight answer.



I haven't *answered* because it's unanswerable. It's. A. Stupid. Question. Should everyone be honest? The "answer" is the same for both. Sure! "But what about if being honest kills someone?" Uhhhh... and on and on. Your question as stated is worthless and doesn't acknowledge how much difficulty and nuance and subtly and variations there are to the subject. Therefore the only conclusion: You just like to f*ck with people on an almost empty forum - what a worthy cause.
< / snarkasm >

It will be my pleasure to ignore all your further attempts at a response.

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Wednesday, August 9, 2017 8:11 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:


She definitely subscribes to the concept of lying as a standard form of communication and a perfectly acceptable way to achieve one's goals. Selfish and small to say the least.- GSTRING]

Well then, GSTRING, speak up for yourself man! Tell us what you think!
Should EVERYONE get rid of their nuclear weapons?
Yes or no?
Now lets see how often you mange to dodge, deflect, and evade a straight answer.- SIGNY


I haven't *answered* because it's unanswerable. It's. A. Stupid. Question. Should everyone be honest? The "answer" is the same for both. Sure! "But what about if being honest kills someone?" Uhhhh... and on and on. Your question as stated is worthless and doesn't acknowledge how much difficulty and nuance and subtly and variations there are to the subject.

OMFG. GSTRING can actually engage in a topical discussion, and not just troll! Whooda thunk?

Quote:

It will be my pleasure to ignore all your further attempts at a response.- GSTRING
Too bad! I have some questions about what you said! But you refuse to discuss anything like an adult.




-----------
By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581

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Wednesday, August 9, 2017 11:14 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Hillary is worse than Trump.


Nothing more needs to be said.

Did you read How America Lost Its Mind? Your face is in the illustrations as a protester. Be proud! You've been immortalized as Art with a capital A.

The nation’s current post-truth moment is the ultimate expression of mind-sets that have made America exceptional throughout its history.
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/how-america-lost-its-mind
/534231





Pretty impossible as I've never protested anything.

The illegal immigration crisis has been 30+ years in the making. More , actually, since the '86 Immigration bill was itself a ' after the fact' lame attempt to deal w/ the problem back then. And that law was every bit a sham as the efforts are today, the ACA, and damn near every domestic policy that's come out of D.C. since the 60's.


But keep ignoring the problem. I'm sure you'll wake up one day and everything will be awesome !

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Wednesday, August 9, 2017 11:22 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Hillary is worse than Trump.



Yeah, we suck mightily - there was no great choice (an obvious one for me, but still not great).

Just for fun: If Hillary's daughter had met with Russians because they sent her an email "we have dirt on Trump" and then she lied about it, and then she lied several more times about who was there, and others in her family lied, and her campaign manager lied, and then Hillary's AG lied about meeting with Russians, and then she had to fire her appointed head of national security because he'd been meeting with Russians... and lied about it and then Hillary fired the head of the FBI because he was looking into her connections with Russians that she'd lied about... you see where I'm going, right? She'd be long gone by now.

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Hillary lied about actual matters, concerning Benghazi ( where Americans got killed ) about her private server ( illegal ) about the handling of top secret documents ( hacked by many , not just " Russians " ) , about 10's of 1000's of e-mails she was SUPPOSE to hand over, as they were property of the US Government , and she destroyed, which is...oh, a FEDERAL CRIME.....

Everyone met w/ Russians, for all manner of reasons. So fucking what ? You're being bat shit crazy about this, and I'm getting pretty fucking sick of the Left / #NeverTrumpers ignoring real crimes while trying to blame others for things which aren't illegal.

Get the fuck over it. Hillary LOST.

Now suck it up and admit Trump is President. YOUR President.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Thursday, August 10, 2017 7:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Now suck it up and admit Trump is President. YOUR President.

Trump’s staff don’t even see him as President. They see him as Problem:

White House officials take issue with “people on TV who know nothing about North Korea” interpreting Trump’s “fire & fury” as nuclear escalation.

Goodness. How could the MSM interpret “fire and fury like the world has never seen” as a nuclear attack? Trump was just talking about, um, a new and improved kind of napalm.

Meanwhile, Rex Tillerson is telling us that the US is totally willing to talk things over with the North Koreans: “I think the president just wanted to be clear to the North Korean regime that the U.S. has the unquestionable ability to defend itself, will defend itself and its allies, and I think it was important that he deliver that message to avoid any miscalculation on their part.”

Trump’s just some doddering, senile old fool wetting himself or crapping in his pants in public. His staff has to clean his clothes and give him a bath to rid the world of Trump’s stink.

Shall we watch Trump do it again?


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Thursday, August 10, 2017 8:11 AM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Get the fuck over it. Hillary LOST.
Now suck it up and admit Trump is President. YOUR President.



That IS the problem - he's our president. I could give a rat's pa-tootie about Hillary. Fine, put her on trial. The problem I have with Trump is ALL about Trump. I get tired of pro Trumpers thinking hating an obvious compulsive liar has something to do with a friggin' professional politician (liar) democrat losing an election. Get the fuck over it and stop using Hillary or Obama as a shield or an excuse. YOUR president is a global embarrassment, a lying PoS.

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Thursday, August 10, 2017 8:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by G:

That IS the problem - he's our president. I could give a rat's pa-tootie about Hillary. Fine, put her on trial. The problem I have with Trump is ALL about Trump. I get tired of pro Trumpers thinking hating an obvious compulsive liar has something to do with a friggin' professional politician (liar) democrat losing an election. Get the fuck over it and stop using Hillary or Obama as a shield or an excuse. YOUR president is a global embarrassment, a lying PoS.

Continuing the theme of saber rattling and Trump: Fact-checking Donald Trump's misleading tweet about U.S. nuclear arsenal
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/aug/09/donald-trump/u
nder-donald-trump-us-nuclear-arsenal-far-stronger
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Thursday, August 10, 2017 12:07 PM

KPO

Anti-Russia before it was cool.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Hillary Clinton - threatening countries at every turn because only war brings peace.

"Democrats will push back against North Korean aggression and press China to play by the rules."


Donald Trump just threatened N Korea with "fire and fury" but you're right, the language in the Dem's platform is more provocative

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Thursday, August 10, 2017 12:52 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Get the fuck over it. Hillary LOST.
Now suck it up and admit Trump is President. YOUR President.



That IS the problem - he's our president. I could give a rat's pa-tootie about Hillary. Fine, put her on trial. The problem I have with Trump is ALL about Trump. I get tired of pro Trumpers thinking hating an obvious compulsive liar has something to do with a friggin' professional politician (liar) democrat losing an election. Get the fuck over it and stop using Hillary or Obama as a shield or an excuse. YOUR president is a global embarrassment, a lying PoS.

==============================



He's your president too. Get over yourself.

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Thursday, August 10, 2017 1:11 PM

KPO

Anti-Russia before it was cool.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Should EVERYONE get rid of their nuclear weapons?

Yes or no?


If everyone does it? Sure. But I don't know in what world you think Russia, N Korea, Israel, etc would give up theirs.

Bit of a pointless question really?

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Thursday, August 10, 2017 1:12 PM

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... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Get the fuck over it. Hillary LOST.
Now suck it up and admit Trump is President. YOUR President.



That IS the problem - he's our president. I could give a rat's pa-tootie about Hillary. Fine, put her on trial. The problem I have with Trump is ALL about Trump. I get tired of pro Trumpers thinking hating an obvious compulsive liar has something to do with a friggin' professional politician (liar) democrat losing an election. Get the fuck over it and stop using Hillary or Obama as a shield or an excuse. YOUR president is a global embarrassment, a lying PoS.

==============================



He's your president too. Get over yourself.



Try reading today maybe? I said, "he's our president" right there, in English.

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Thursday, August 10, 2017 1:23 PM

KPO

Anti-Russia before it was cool.


Quote:

And stop provoking Russia in an insane game of nuclear chicken.


Bring me up to speed. The insane provocation of Russia is...? I dealt with the whole NATO expansion thing in the Putin's long game thread. So what else? Sanctions on Russia for its aggression in Ukraine? Sanctions and confiscation of its diplomatic/spy compounds for its election meddling? Your imagined CIA coup in Ukraine? Some Soros-funded Clinton-led conspiracy to overthrow Putin?


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Thursday, August 10, 2017 2:19 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Get the fuck over it. Hillary LOST.
Now suck it up and admit Trump is President. YOUR President.



That IS the problem - he's our president. I could give a rat's pa-tootie about Hillary. Fine, put her on trial. The problem I have with Trump is ALL about Trump. I get tired of pro Trumpers thinking hating an obvious compulsive liar has something to do with a friggin' professional politician (liar) democrat losing an election. Get the fuck over it and stop using Hillary or Obama as a shield or an excuse. YOUR president is a global embarrassment, a lying PoS.

==============================



He's your president too. Get over yourself.



Try reading today maybe? I said, "he's our president" right there, in English.

==============================



I just quoted you. Read the last sentence. You even put it in caps.

Quote:

YOUR president is a global embarrassment, a lying PoS.


My reading is just fine.

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Thursday, August 10, 2017 4:33 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Get the fuck over it. Hillary LOST.
Now suck it up and admit Trump is President. YOUR President.



That IS the problem - he's our president. I could give a rat's pa-tootie about Hillary. Fine, put her on trial. The problem I have with Trump is ALL about Trump. I get tired of pro Trumpers thinking hating an obvious compulsive liar has something to do with a friggin' professional politician (liar) democrat losing an election. Get the fuck over it and stop using Hillary or Obama as a shield or an excuse. YOUR president is a global embarrassment, a lying PoS.

==============================



Ya didn't mind the obvious compulsive liar that was Hillary or Obama, so why the hell should you worry about it now ? Complete double standard, only to date, NONE of Trump's comments have involved massive new tax burdens and blatant fabrications on policy.

I don't give a damn about the globe, as long as Trump delivers on his policy. Damaged goods that he is, we didn't elect a freaking choir boy.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, August 10, 2017 5:51 PM

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... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
My reading is just fine.



Do me a favor - next time read the whole post, including the first line, or just don't bother to reply: "That IS the problem - he's our president."

Thanks

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Thursday, August 10, 2017 5:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Ya didn't mind the obvious compulsive liar that was Hillary or Obama, so why the hell should you worry about it now ? Complete double standard, only to date, NONE of Trump's comments have involved massive new tax burdens and blatant fabrications on policy.

I don't give a damn about the globe, as long as Trump delivers on his policy. Damaged goods that he is, we didn't elect a freaking choir boy.

From Scientific American: Donald Trump said he aspires to be “unpredictable” in how he might use nuclear weapons and Trump can do it all by himself without consulting anybody. Even in the unlikely event that Russia launched a preemptive attack on the U.S. — and had more nuclear capability than current international agreements allow for — it “would have little to no effect on the U.S. assured second-strike capabilities.” That conclusion suggests that we will have ample firepower even if two or more people discuss how to use it. But Trump does not have to talk to anyone about anything before it's bombs away.

www.scientificamerican.com/article/no-one-should-have-sole-authority-t
o-launch-a-nuclear-attack
/

Trump issued a new threat to North Korea on Thursday, demanding that Kim Jong Un’s government “get their act together” or face extraordinary trouble. He said his previous “fire and fury” warning to Pyongyang might have been too mild.

“Maybe that statement wasn’t tough enough,” Trump said. “Things will happen to them like they never thought possible, OK?” It is so good to know that such a rock-steady man has his finger on the button.

https://apnews.com/74ed5e07efc94759ba335a51e80de6dc/In-new-threat,-Tru
mp-demands-NKorea-%27get-their-act-together%27

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Thursday, August 10, 2017 9:17 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I think Trump will play crazy against a crazy guy like Kim, but at the end of the day, he'll listen to the likes of Mattis, whom he ( Trump ) respects immensely.

I do share Trump's view, that NK has been playing the US, over the past 20+ years, and now we're at a point where we are BECAUSE of the sins of inaction , by both D's and R's.


New sheriff in town.

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Friday, August 11, 2017 6:03 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

New sheriff in town.

The new sheriff is about to meet the guy who kills sheriffs for a living: Meet Kim Jong-un, Moody Young Man With Nuclear Arms
www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/meet-kim-jong-un-moody-young-man-with-nuc
lear-arms/ar-AApQ6YI


As Inara said to Mal, "You cannot handle this man."
The Man, the Operative, came damn close to killing them all.

Kim Jong-un, the 33-year-old leader of North Korea, has long been underestimated. Mr. Kim was the youngest of three sons yet leapfrogged his brothers to succeed his father, Kim Jong-il. Many analysts dismissed him as an inexperienced figurehead when he took power at 27; some predicted he would never last. But almost six years later, there is little doubt he is firmly in control.

“He moved quickly and ruthlessly,” said Daniel A. Pinkston, a Seoul-based professor of international relations at Troy University. “I think most people did not expect a man so young to be so proficient at managing his dictatorship.”

South Korean intelligence officials say Mr. Kim has executed scores of senior officials, including his own uncle, a wily power broker who had been seen as his mentor. He is also assumed to have ordered the assassination of his half brother, who was poisoned by VX nerve agent at the Kuala Lumpur International Airport in Malaysia in February.

“Smart, pragmatic, decisive,” Andrei Lankov, a North Korea expert at Kookmin University in Seoul, said of Mr. Kim. “But also capricious, moody and ready to kill easily.”

One subject on which Mr. Kim has not wavered is the nuclear program. His father held out the possibility of scrapping the program in return for economic aid and security guarantees and even struck a deal with the Clinton administration, though the North later violated it. But Mr. Kim has taken a more aggressive approach.

Three of North Korea’s five nuclear tests have come under his watch, and there are signs that the country is preparing for another one. North Korea has also conducted about 80 missile tests under Mr. Kim, more than twice as many as under his father and grandfather combined.

Outside North Korea, many assumed Mr. Kim was the supreme leader in name only, with real power in the hands of Jang Song-thaek, his uncle and regent. Mr. Jang appeared to help his nephew carry out a systematic purge, replacing many of the nation’s most powerful generals and bureaucrats, according to South Korean intelligence officials.

But two years into his rule, Mr. Kim moved against his uncle, too, arranging for him to be arrested by uniformed officers during a Politburo meeting while hundreds of party delegates watched. Mr. Jang was executed on charges that included clapping “halfheartedly” when Mr. Kim entered the room and plotting to overthrow him.

Cheong Seong-chang, an expert on the Kim family at the Sejong Institute, said high-level North Korean defectors told him that Mr. Jang had as many as 20 children and that Mr. Kim had them all killed.

The purge continued with a new focus on rooting out those loyal to Mr. Jang. Many were executed with antiaircraft machine guns after members of the ruling elite were brought in by trucks to be witnesses, South Korean intelligence officials said.

“Kim Jong-un is here to rule for decades, playing the long game,” said Mr. Koh, the Dongguk University professor. “Over time, he believes that the world will have no option but to accept his country as a nuclear power.”

Analysts say it may be difficult for Mr. Kim to back down in the face of foreign pressure, especially on the nuclear issue, given how closely he is associated with the program.

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Friday, August 11, 2017 6:28 AM

KPO

Anti-Russia before it was cool.


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I think Trump will play crazy against a crazy guy like Kim, but at the end of the day, he'll listen to the likes of Mattis, whom he ( Trump ) respects immensely.

I do share Trump's view, that NK has been playing the US, over the past 20+ years, and now we're at a point where we are BECAUSE of the sins of inaction , by both D's and R's.


New sheriff in town.


I largely agree with the assessment of past administrations kicking the can down the road. But at some point the calculus becomes "we're better off living with a nuclear N Korea than going to war with them". I think we're probably several years past that point.

I'm not sure what Trump's crazy rhetoric is supposed to achieve. Does anyone think that the N Koreans are going to be bluffed into halting or abandoning their nuclear program? It's another example of our new sheriff 'speaking loudly and carrying a small stick'.

And guys, can we all just take a moment to feel sorry for 1kiki? She started this thread on nuclear brinksmanship to argue about how we should stop being mean to Russia, but in the end we're all just talking about N Korea

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Friday, August 11, 2017 7:58 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Trump's ' crazy ' talk has yielded the UN in yet another 15-0 resolution against Lil' Kim. Yes, Russia and China are on board. Also, it's been reported that China will risk a financial hit in backing the UN resolution over siding w/ the fat kid.


Actions, folks, speak louder than words. While Trump is waving with his right hand, making noise and all, the media are totally oblivious to what's actually happening.

Why ? Oh, I think we know the reason for that.

" Our job tonight is to actually scare people to death on this subject "




Fucking REALLY ???



Was that what the media were saying about Kennedy, back during the Cuban Missile Crisis ? We the anchors admonishing this young, know nothing kid of a President that putting a blockade around a sovereign nation is an aggressive move ? That we should just sit back and accept a nuclear launching pad for Soviet missiles in Cuba ??

Shows how truly un-American todays media are w/ regards to Trump and his policies.

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Trump's ' crazy ' talk has yielded the UN in yet another 15-0 resolution against Lil' Kim. Yes, Russia and China are on board. Also, it's been reported that China will risk a financial hit in backing the UN resolution over siding w/ the fat kid.

How many resolutions has the UN passed? 2371. None made a damn bit difference to Kim.
www.un.org/en/sc/documents/resolutions/

The latest UN resolution on Korea is 2371. I bet Kim is not really intimidated: http://bit.ly/2vtw0lx

How much trade between South Korea and America? $112 billion in 2016.
How much trade between North Korea and the entire World? About nothing.
Trade sanctions make no damn difference to Kim. But Kim could stop trade between S Korea and US.

If Trump goes to war with Kim, Kim will attack S Korea. Trade with S Korea is the US weakness.
www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5800.html

Trump Is 'Locked and Loaded' in a Nuclear Game of Chicken. I think Trump is the Chicken because the US stands to lose $112 billion per year in trade with South Korea if it attacks while Kim stands to lose his life if he gives up on A-bombs.
www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/08/trump-locked-loaded-
north-korea/536541
/

Trump's choices are either kill Kim or else continue saber rattling and trading with South Korea.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, August 11, 2017 12:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
" Our job tonight is to actually scare people to death on this subject "
Fucking REALLY ???



Well that was pretty horrific. Did you see Andrea Mitchell's reaction?? Whoa! She was visibly shaking her heard, totally disgusted.
I think you're mistaken if you think Brian Williams at 11pm on a cable news channel because he was fired from his prime time slot is the poster boy or pillar of our free press. Yes, 'if it bleeds it leads' will always play favorites, but is there anything more American than that? Don't tell me Fux is all about the News.

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Friday, August 11, 2017 1:33 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


62% of Americans think N Korea is a very serious threat (compare with ISIS at 64%)
77% think N Korea has a missile that could hit the USA
50% favor America taking military action against N Korea
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2017/images/08/08/rel7b.-.north.korea.pdf

Similarly, in 2003
70% of Americans believed that Saddam was involved in 9-11
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2003/09/06/hussein-lin
k-to-911-lingers-in-many-minds/7cd31079-21d1-42cf-8651-b67e93350fde
/

93% of Americans believed that Saddam had WMD-manufacturing facilities (before the war), and after the war 86% still believed that Saddam has WMD facilties, although no WMD were used during the war and none were found (except leftovers from 1983)
http://www.gallup.com/poll/8623/americans-still-think-iraq-had-weapons
-mass-destruction-before-war.aspx


N Korea has visibly tested missiles, whose range is getting longer and longer. N Korea has also done nuclear tests. The question is whether N Korea can package a nuclear weapon into a warhead small enough to fit onto a missile.

EVEN IF it has, this threat and counter-threat is a non-productive approach. It really is a game of "chicken", and those games don't end well unless somebody backs down, and it doesn't look lie anybody will back down. We really need to find another way.



-----------
By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581

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Friday, August 11, 2017 3:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

The question is whether N Korea can package a nuclear weapon into a warhead small enough to fit onto a missile.

EVEN IF it has, this threat and counter-threat is a non-productive approach. It really is a game of "chicken", and those games don't end well unless somebody backs down, and it doesn't look like anybody will back down. We really need to find another way.

I predict Trump is the chicken for the rest of his term in office. I'm not adding any caveats or conditions. Trump is hot air and wild threats with no guts. If I'm wrong about Trump I'll say now what I would say then: "Oops. So sorry Samsung, Hyundai and LG have gone out of business in the Trump/Kim War."
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/11/16119606/trump-north-korea-i
mprovise


China has helpfully given Trump cover for his chicken heart: “If the U.S. and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow the North Korean regime, and change the political pattern of the Korean Peninsula, China will prevent them from doing so,” reported the Global Times, a daily Chinese newspaper controlled by the Communist Party.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-pledges-neutrality-unless-us-strike
s-north-korea-first/ar-AApR3VE

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Friday, August 11, 2017 4:43 PM

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Trump








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Friday, August 11, 2017 6:30 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
" Our job tonight is to actually scare people to death on this subject "
Fucking REALLY ???



Well that was pretty horrific. Did you see Andrea Mitchell's reaction?? Whoa! She was visibly shaking her heard, totally disgusted.
I think you're mistaken if you think Brian Williams at 11pm on a cable news channel because he was fired from his prime time slot is the poster boy or pillar of our free press. Yes, 'if it bleeds it leads' will always play favorites, but is there anything more American than that? Don't tell me Fux is all about the News.

==============================



This is the M.O. for msnbc though...

Our job is to control what you think - Mika.

Our job is to scare the hell out of your - Brian.

Which fits nicely into the over all mantra of the Leftist Dems...

" It takes a long time... to control the people " John Dingell ( D )

" Govt is the only thing we that all belong to " - DNC video


YOU CAN'T TAKE THE SKY FROM ME !


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Friday, August 11, 2017 7:20 PM

BRENDA


George Carlin once refeered to this as "The bigger dick" foreign policy.

I think this is playing out now with Trump.

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Friday, August 11, 2017 8:19 PM

THGRRI


Wow SIG, and you said Hillary was the war monger. What an ass you are. Maybe, Maybe SIG, someday you will be right about something.


Trump threatens Venezuela with 'military option'

U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday threatened military intervention in Venezuela, a surprise escalation in Washington's response to Venezuela's political crisis.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-threatens-venezuela-with-mil
itary-option/ar-AApTMLD?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=BHEA000







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Friday, August 11, 2017 8:55 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
George Carlin once refeered to this as "The bigger dick" foreign policy.

I think this is playing out now with Trump.



I see some envy going on here...


Point is, Trump is just saying what needs being said.




But Trump... he's CRAZY !!!


Sod off.

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Friday, August 11, 2017 9:50 PM

BRENDA


AU, you can tell me to sod off all you want. But I do not want to see the world blown up by either of these nuts. Kim or Trump.

And I am still entitled to my opinion or to repeat the opinion of a comedian.

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Putin Orders Withdrawal Of Russian Troops During Surprise Syria Visit
Mon, December 11, 2017 17:50 - 2 posts
Where are the democrats? Waiting for the Deep State to get rid of Trump?
Mon, December 11, 2017 17:40 - 22 posts
Male Role Models
Mon, December 11, 2017 10:25 - 108 posts
A thread for Democrats Only
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