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Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:04 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I could be wrong, but I don't think SIX pays the slightest attention to FOX news, and not a whole lot of attention to Trump. I don't recall SIX ever referring to/linking anything on FOX (unless it was linked here first), and never quoting Trump. So, I think, ONCE AGAIN YOU'RE ARGUING WITH THE VOICES IN YOUR HEAD AND NOT THE REAL PEOPLE HERE.



Of course you're wrong. Like you, 6ix likes to make bold, sweeping generalizations about the MSM and then says he never watches it. Exactly what I mean about him not having any knowledge of the things he tries to act knowledgable about. One doesn't have to watch Fox to act like one of their zombies. He voted for Trump, right? Connect the dots. He really should ask more questions and make fewer pronouncements imho.



Pronouncements like "Fuck Puerto Ricans"?

Ones that I never said you mean?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, September 2, 2018 11:45 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Pronouncements like "Fuck Puerto Ricans"?

Ones that I never said you mean?




You didn't write this about Puerto Rico?

"How much money should be wasted rebuilding the entire island until the next big hurricane wipes them out again, or until the sea level rises and the only people living on the island are Kevin Kostner from Waterworld?"

How they are doomed to be another Disneyland and have their culture destroyed if they take our money and rebuild? And then tell them what they should do like you have a f*cking clue of how any of that can happen, while your idea totally ignored the fact that that island is their home? Yeah, that's pretty well saying "Fuck Puerto Ricans" to me.

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Sunday, September 2, 2018 12:08 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

So much for Chuck Todd's (MSNBC) hint about the big announcement that might be coming up. More fake news?- SIGNY
Sorry - it's just too funny you feeling cheated by Chuck Todd, had to relive it.- GSTRING

LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!



I have to wonder, GSTRING... will you EVER get out of the habit of lying with nearly every post??? Or is that defect so deeply entrenched that it will be with you for the rest of your life?

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Sunday, September 2, 2018 3:29 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
o.m.g. Somebody who knew somebody accepted money from a Russian and a Ukrainian to get them a place to attend Trump's inauguration. Now, correct if I'm wrong, but isn't the inauguration after the election? Doesn't that mean this wasn't about Trump. Russia. Election. Collusion.


This is the longest-playing striptease ever.

C'mon Mueller. TAKE IT OFF!! TAKE IT ALL OFF! Show us what you've got!

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

Inauguration is after the Election? Are you sure? This does not fit the narrative. You must be spreading Fake News! (Which is how Libtards refer to Truth and Fact)

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Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:33 PM

THG


Ahead of midterms, Democrats lead in cash, candidates and voters. As the runners near the 2018 vote, metrics show clear trends — an enthusiastic electorate, a diverse pool of candidates and an advantage for Democrats.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/ahead-midterms-democrats-l
ead-cash-candidates-voters-n905781


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Sunday, September 2, 2018 10:38 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Ahead of midterms, Democrats lead in cash, candidates and voters. As the runners near the 2018 vote, metrics show clear trends — an enthusiastic electorate, a diverse pool of candidates and an advantage for Democrats.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/ahead-midterms-democrats-l
ead-cash-candidates-voters-n905781


T

Deja Vu?
Wasn't this the Libtard Spin in February? Before reality intruded?

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Monday, September 3, 2018 4:37 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


still wondering where the evidence is ...

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Monday, September 3, 2018 6:59 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

So much for Chuck Todd's (MSNBC) hint about the big announcement that might be coming up. More fake news?- SIGNY
Sorry - it's just too funny you feeling cheated by Chuck Todd, had to relive it.- GSTRING

LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!



I have to wonder, GSTRING... will you EVER get out of the habit of lying with nearly every post??? Or is that defect so deeply entrenched that it will be with you for the rest of your life?



Quickest way to shut SIGNYM up is to ask her: And what was "my lie?"

You didn't post this? "So much for Chuck Todd's (MSNBC) hint about the big announcement that might be coming up. More fake news? "

So, caught again lying about lying - yawn. Damn, we already know you're an unreliable person! You don't have to keep proving it!


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Monday, September 3, 2018 12:30 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
still wondering where the evidence is ...

There is No Evidence.

It never existed.

It never happened.

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Monday, September 3, 2018 12:37 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
still wondering where the evidence is ...

There is No Evidence.

It never existed.

It never happened.


T


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Monday, September 3, 2018 12:40 PM

THG



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Monday, September 3, 2018 6:05 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Quickest way to shut SIGNYM up is to ask her: And what was "my lie?"
You didn't post this? "So much for Chuck Todd's (MSNBC) hint about the big announcement that might be coming up. More fake news? "

WAS there a big announcement before Labor Day? What was it? Or was Signy right in calling that announcement 'fake news', and you were once again ... wrong?




THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

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Monday, September 3, 2018 6:51 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Quickest way to shut SIGNYM up is to ask her: And what was "my lie?"
You didn't post this? "So much for Chuck Todd's (MSNBC) hint about the big announcement that might be coming up. More fake news? "

WAS there a big announcement before Labor Day? What was it? Or was Signy right in calling that announcement 'fake news', and you were once again ... wrong?





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Monday, September 3, 2018 9:19 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Yawn ...






THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

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Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:27 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So, there WAS no pre-Labor Day 'big announcement' about Trump or Mueller or Russia or anything relevant --- despite all the breathless msm hoopla and your eager anticipation. You clowns. You're so gullible. Such eager suckers for propaganda.




THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

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Thursday, September 6, 2018 5:02 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, there WAS no pre-Labor Day 'big announcement' about Trump or Mueller or Russia or anything relevant --- despite all the breathless msm hoopla and your eager anticipation. You clowns. You're so gullible. Such eager suckers for propaganda.

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

In their State of Dementia, they believe this means that there will be No Evidence forthcoming until after Election Day.

Should we bank on such a respite from their nonstop gibberish factory?
How long will this moratorium on moronic nonsense hold up?
Will they develop another mantra to sustain the next months?

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Thursday, September 6, 2018 9:28 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, there WAS no pre-Labor Day 'big announcement' about Trump or Mueller or Russia or anything relevant --- despite all the breathless msm hoopla and your eager anticipation. You clowns. You're so gullible. Such eager suckers for propaganda.




That's what I was trying to tell SIGGY! She's so gullible. I hadn't even heard there was suppose to be a big surprise until she posted about being pwned by Chuck Todd...

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Sunday, September 9, 2018 2:16 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND when you write that ^^ your ignorance is showing!

You criticized Trump for ... among many other things ... being a "rentier" capitalist.

Whatever Signym, 1kiki, and 6ix imagined Trump would do, he actually has done what the GOP would want, except with an extra dose of chaos because he is disorganized. Since I don't like what the GOP does, because I was biased by Nixon, I don't like what Trump does. But Trump has added some personal criminal tendencies to the standard GOP mix:


Trump has spent his entire career breaking various laws, getting caught, and then essentially plowing ahead unharmed. He has continued that as a candidate and a President:

Here’s House Republicans’ list of all the Trump scandals they’re covering up

• President Trump’s tax returns

Trump already emailed his returns to Hilliary - not his fault she deleted them.
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• Trump family businesses — and whether they comply with the Constitution’s emoluments clause, including the Chinese trademark grant to the Trump Organization
• Trump’s dealings with Russia, including the president’s preparation for his meeting with Vladimir Putin.

preparing for a meeting with a foreign leader? The horrors!!
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• The payment to Stephanie Clifford — a.k.a. Stormy Daniels
not a crime for Trump, possibly a crime of extortion for Clifford
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• James Comey’s firing
Presidential perogative and duty is not a crime - already hashed out with the Impeachment of Johnson.
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• Trump’s firing of U.S. attorneys.
yawn. Ditto.
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• Trump’s proposed transgender ban for the military
as opposed to the military damaging lifting of bans by Clinton? Is the Armed Forces now the social guinea pig farm of Socialists, Communists, and other whackos?
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• Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin’s business dealings
• White House staff’s personal email use

They forgot to delete emails en masse like Hilliary?
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• Cabinet secretary travel, office expenses, and other misused perks
obviously nothing compared to Secretary Clinton, Secretary Kerry, Moochelle Obama, etc.
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• Discussion of classified information at Mar-a-Lago
Nothing as treasonous as the same by Clinton & Clinton (including on National TV), Obama (onstage with mics), etc.
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• Jared Kushner’s ethics law compliance
Since when have Clinton, Clinton, Obama, or minions ever complied with Law? Their practice and policy was to transgress Law at every opportunity.
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• Dismissal of members of the EPA board of scientific counselors
yawn. Yet another Presidential perogative, responsibility, and Duty? Shockers!
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• The travel ban
You mean the one upheld by SCOTUS? That one? Really? You are really grasping here. Rumor has it, Trump is also abiding Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Gun Ownership, Freedom to not self-incriminate, even though these have also been upheld by SCOTUS.
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• Family separation policy
which was already enacted as Law by The Usual Libtard Suspects - Democraps.
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• Hurricane response in Puerto Rico
Is this anything like New Orleans Mayor Nagal obstructing Federal Aid to ensure his constituents suffered?
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• Election security and hacking attempts
Hilliary, Comey, Mueller, Obama have yet to be charged with these crimes, so no need to dilly dally around with Fake Claims of Trump doing what we know they did.
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• White House security clearances
what? The standard delay, following every single change of administration? Patriotic Americans should be thankful of the changing of the swamp creatures.
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With all of the gibberish that second posts, I had managed to gloss over or ignore much of this post.
But now I noticed a sub-nugget which I quoted here, showing a hilarious list of supposed issues which have offended some of the most easily offended cretins around.

Who really knew there were so many non-crimes? Or that a list was kept of non-crimes?

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Sunday, September 9, 2018 3:17 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Still No Evidence of Collusion? It's only been a year of the Witch Hunt Fishing Expedition.

After 15 months, Still No Evidence.



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Originally posted by second:
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It's not even troubling that you feel there is no evidence JSF. It's just absurd and I find myself not caring in the least that you see things that way.

T

What JewelStaiteFan means is that Trump is innocent until JewelStaiteFan decides he is guilty. We'll all have to wait until the next election in 2020 to see if Trump is innocent enough to be reelected.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61953&mid=10591
71#1059171




Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"What JewelStaiteFan means is that Trump is innocent until JewelStaiteFan decides he is guilty." SECOND, Trump is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, based on evidence that supports the allegations.

1kiki, if Federal prosecutors think like that, they would never go to trial on any case. The prosecutors place their reputations on the line when they decide to investigate one thing rather than another. They have to decide if a crime was committed months before a jury decides.

This should be a moment of reflection for white-collar prosecutors.



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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"The prosecutors ... have to decide if a crime was committed months before a jury decides." Are you saying mere accusation by a prosecutor is proof of guilt? You DO realize that's a distinctly anti-American position to take - right?

Before going to trial, does a prosecutor believe that no crimes were committed, but goes to trial anyway so that a jury can look over and double-check the evidence and maybe, just maybe, find a crime that the prosecutor missed or overlooked?

Why not?

Find me a single defense attorney who has gone to court at some point in their life knowing full well that their client was guilty of the crimes committed.

After a long line of unquoted sequence, maybe I don't understand this final sentence in your post.
Did you really mean the opposite?


Hasn't every single Defense Attorney gone to Court with a client they knew was guilty?

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Sunday, September 9, 2018 5:05 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Yeah. That's what I meant. Should have read "hasn't" instead of "has".

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, September 22, 2018 8:53 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Well, the NYT has labored and squeezed out their magnum opus on "the evidence" so far.

Quote:

The Plot to Subvert an Election: Unraveling the Russia Story So Far

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/09/20/us/politics/russia-inte
rference-election-trump-clinton.html


In the two-hundred or so paragraphs of bullshit, innuendo, speculation and (at times) outright lies, you will find the following

Quote:

What Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel in charge of the investigation, may know or may yet discover is still uncertain.
In other words: nothing so far

They describe the possibility that Russia actaully affected the outcome of the election as
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plausible ...though it cannot be proved or disproved.
In other words, they can concoct a story to that effect.

As far as all of Mueller's successes so far
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But none of the convictions to date involve conspiracy.


And in terms of evidence
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Mr. Trump’s frustration with the Russian investigation is not surprising. He is right that no public evidence has emerged showing that his campaign conspired with Russia in the election interference or accepted Russian money.


As Zerohedge commented
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In an astounding contradiction within a single NYT article, the "mountain of evidence" at the opening becomes Trump "is right that no public evidence has emerged" by the story's closing.


Indeed.

And I once again point out that the KEY activity that the "intelligence" agencies have been harping on over and over as evidence of Russia's interference in our election, the Wikileaks release of Podesta's and DNC emails ... rests on the statement by a DNC-paid computer-security company (the FBI never having examined the server) and without EVER having taken testimony from Julian Assange, who is one of the very few people who actually KNOWS where those files came from. So that part is still a mountain of garbage which the "security" agencies refuse to clear up.

Unless their concocted story can square with basic important facts, it's bullshit, no matter how much topping they put on it.


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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Saturday, September 22, 2018 10:41 PM

REAVERFAN


Grasp at those straws! Grasp! GRASP, DAMN YOUR EYES!!!!

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Sunday, September 23, 2018 2:22 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Grasp at those straws! Grasp! GRASP, DAMN YOUR EYES!!!!

Huh. Now THIS post sounds like a man desperately grasping at straws!

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Pity would be no more,
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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Sunday, September 23, 2018 4:09 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted:
Grasp at those straws! Grasp! GRASP, DAMN YOUR EYES!!!!

Are you illiterate? Incapable of reading with comprehension?



Still No Evidence.

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Sunday, September 23, 2018 4:20 PM

THG

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Sunday, September 23, 2018 4:23 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:

1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, was arrested in July 2017 and pleaded guilty last October to making false statements to the FBI.

2) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted on a total of 25 different counts by Mueller’s team, related mainly to his past work for Ukrainian politicians and his finances. He had two trials scheduled, and the first ended in a conviction on eight counts of financial crimes. To avert the second trial, Manafort struck a plea deal with Mueller in September 2018.

3) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.

4) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty last December to making false statements to the FBI.

5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller.

22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine.

23) Konstantin Kilimnik: This longtime business associate of Manafort and Gates, who’s currently based in Russia, was charged alongside Manafort with attempting to obstruct justice by tampering with witnesses in Manafort’s pending case this year.

24-35) 12 Russian GRU officers: These officers of Russia’s military intelligence service were charged with crimes related to the hacking and leaking of leading Democrats’ emails in 2016.

Finally, there are two other people Mueller initially investigated, but then handed over to others in the Justice Department to handle. Both eventually agreed to plea deals.

Michael Cohen: Trump’s former lawyer pleaded guilty to 8 counts — tax and bank charges, related to his finances and taxi business, and campaign finance violations, related to hush money payments to women who alleged affairs with Donald Trump.

Sam Patten: This Republican operative and lobbyist pleaded guilty to not registering as a foreign agent with his work for Ukrainian political bigwigs, and agreed to cooperate with the government.




Manafort guilty and now along with Cohen cooperating fully with Mueller. Stay tuned...

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Sunday, September 23, 2018 11:01 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I'll just keep bumping this so we all notice when nothing happens that has anything to do with Russia+Trump+collusion.




THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

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Monday, September 24, 2018 3:44 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'll just keep bumping this so we all notice when nothing happens that has anything to do with Russia+Trump+collusion.

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

Three words.
Sounds like.....

Still No Evidence.

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Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:20 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Still No Evidence.


38 days to Election.

Come on, not much time left to dream up some evidence. This scam has been going on for more than 2 years. Get with it shlubbs.

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Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:58 PM

REAVERFAN


People in jail, testifying, granted immunity.

No, nothing to see here, folks. The Russian trolls say so.

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Wednesday, October 10, 2018 12:55 PM

REAVERFAN


Mueller Probe: California Man Who Sold Stolen IDs to Russians to Be Sentenced
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-probe-california-man-who-sold-st
olen-ids-to-russians-to-be-sentenced

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Wednesday, October 10, 2018 8:05 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Mueller Probe: California Man Who Sold Stolen IDs to Russians to Be Sentenced
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-probe-california-man-who-sold-st
olen-ids-to-russians-to-be-sentenced

Goodness, that must be somehow related to Trump! Russia! Collusion! to be in this thread! Did Trump Pay that man for some IDs, to get more voters at the polls?



Or, more likely....Still No Evidence.


27 Days remaining until Election Day and SuperMajority Rules.

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Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:28 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Golly, why have all the Trolls gone mum?

Still No Evidence.

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Monday, November 5, 2018 11:38 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Still No Evidence.

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Friday, November 9, 2018 9:06 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Still No Evidence.

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Friday, November 9, 2018 9:10 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Still No Evidence.

How many of Donald Trump's advisers have been convicted? Five. And without any evidence.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/22/how-many-of-trumps-close-advis
ers-have-been-convicted-and-who-are-they


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Still No Evidence.

How many of Donald Trump's advisers have been convicted? Five. And without any evidence.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/22/how-many-of-trumps-close-advis
ers-have-been-convicted-and-who-are-they




As Obama's said. Enough of Trumps appointees has been indicted to field a football team. Soon enough with the dems controlling the house there will be enough to field two teams. Hell, they could scrimmage.

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