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Friday, February 2, 2018 9:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Still No Evidence, a day before Memo Release?

We'd have evidence if lawyers would stop filing all evidence under a confidential seal, leaving GOP Congressmen perfectly free to manufacture their own fake "evidence" exonerating Trump.

All three attorneys representing Rick Gates, a former associate of President Donald Trump, abruptly dumped him Thursday, putting a mysterious spin on the investigation into Russian election meddling.

Gates and his business associate Paul Manafort were the first two people to be indicted in special prosecutor Robert Mueller’s probe into possible collusion between Trump’s campaign and Russia.

On Thursday afternoon, Gates’ three lawyers — Shanlon Wu, Walter Mack and Annemarie McAvoy — informed U.S. District Judge Amy Berman that they’re no longer representing him, effective “immediately.”

The lawyers’ brief filing noted that they wished to withdraw “for reasons set forth in Exhibit 1” — which they noted had been filed under a confidential seal.

Gates, who worked on the Trump campaign, and Manafort, who served as the campaign’s manager, were slammed with a laundry list of federal charges in October.

www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/lawyers-ex-trump-associate-rick-gate
s-mysteriously-drop-article-1.3793675


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Friday, February 2, 2018 12:58 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Still No Evidence, a day before Memo Release?

We'd have evidence if lawyers would stop filing all evidence under a confidential seal, leaving GOP Congressmen perfectly free to manufacture their own fake "evidence" exonerating Trump.

All three attorneys representing Rick Gates, a former associate of President Donald Trump, abruptly dumped him Thursday, putting a mysterious spin on the investigation into Russian election meddling.

Gates and his business associate Paul Manafort were the first two people to be indicted in special prosecutor Robert Mueller’s probe into possible collusion between Trump’s campaign and Russia.

On Thursday afternoon, Gates’ three lawyers — Shanlon Wu, Walter Mack and Annemarie McAvoy — informed U.S. District Judge Amy Berman that they’re no longer representing him, effective “immediately.”

The lawyers’ brief filing noted that they wished to withdraw “for reasons set forth in Exhibit 1” — which they noted had been filed under a confidential seal.

Gates, who worked on the Trump campaign, and Manafort, who served as the campaign’s manager, were slammed with a laundry list of federal charges in October.

www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/lawyers-ex-trump-associate-rick-gate
s-mysteriously-drop-article-1.3793675


Federal Charges - all completely unrelated to any pretense of Collusion.
Hallmark of a fishing expedition.

What did that one study find? That the average American citizen commits 3 felony violations every single day, largely unaware.

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Friday, February 2, 2018 1:21 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

What did that one study find? That the average American citizen commits 3 felony violations every single day, largely unaware.

Show me that study you found because I'm curious if you've got a real study or if this is only Rush Limbaugh plus Alex Jones giving you a blowjob and you are in ecstasy. www.infowars.com

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, February 2, 2018 1:48 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


What I heard on NPR was the concept that maybe Mueller's investigation won't uncover anything "illegal" on Trump's part, but that Trump's behavior might represent a "political" problem.

Well. Mueller was handed a bag of shit to investigate. He's doing the best he can to make the rumors/ allegations into something significant, but in reality there's no "there" there, so he's poking his nose into anything he can find. If the worst he can find is Trump being "politically incorrect" ... well, that's not an indictable offense. Demonstrating "collusion" or anything like it is an impossibility. Probably same with "obstruction of justice".

What the NPR reporting sounds like to me is back-peddling/ goalpost moving/ reduction in expectations.


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Friday, February 2, 2018 2:44 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


With the release of The Nunes Memo, we see this entire pretense of a justified "investigation" is a complete sham.

The collapse of any justification for the Page FISA Warrant renders it as fruit of the poisoned tree. And all that came from that. AKA the whole "investigation" into Fake Stories clamoring about collusion. Even the casual watcher of TV crime/court/cop shows can follow that.

Small wonder they have not found any evidence, despite gobs of money and man-hours spent chasing their phantom delusions.


How long before Mueller performs Justice and ends the charade?

And then Trump can pardon those who were caught up.

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Friday, February 2, 2018 2:57 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
What did that one study find? That the average American citizen commits 3 felony violations every single day, largely unaware.

Show me that study you found because I'm curious if you've got a real study or if this is only Rush Limbaugh plus Alex Jones giving you a blowjob and you are in ecstasy. www.infowars.com


Try reading the book "Three Felonies a Day" by Harvey Silverglate, from 2009.
Read it and get back to us with the answer. As I recall, Harvey gives entertaining interviews.

I believe that "decriminalize the common man" is the call.

I don't know from Alex Jones, and am not sure if Rush covered it. But since Rush is the purveyor of facts and truth, I wouldn't be surprised if he did cover it, like 8 or 9 years ago. At that time I was in a radio market devoid of such illumination, so would not have heard him.

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Friday, February 2, 2018 3:07 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What I heard on NPR was the concept that maybe Mueller's investigation won't uncover anything "illegal" on Trump's part, but that Trump's behavior might represent a "political" problem.

Well. Mueller was handed a bag of shit to investigate. He's doing the best he can to make the rumors/ allegations into something significant, but in reality there's no "there" there, so he's poking his nose into anything he can find. If the worst he can find is Trump being "politically incorrect" ... well, that's not an indictable offense. Demonstrating "collusion" or anything like it is an impossibility. Probably same with "obstruction of justice".

What the NPR reporting sounds like to me is back-peddling/ goalpost moving/ reduction in expectations.

I was thinking Malicious Persecution was a crime. Throw Mueller in prison. Along with Hilliary, McCabe, Comey.

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Friday, February 2, 2018 3:12 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


The FBI needs to be investigated for its deliberately shoddy "investigation" of the Hillary server, where they violated literally every investigative procedure.

The FBI also needs to be investigated for its biased FISA warrant affidavit.

There should be at least one Special Prosecutor if not two, handling these investigations.

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Friday, February 2, 2018 4:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
What did that one study find? That the average American citizen commits 3 felony violations every single day, largely unaware.

Show me that study you found because I'm curious if you've got a real study or if this is only Rush Limbaugh plus Alex Jones giving you a blowjob and you are in ecstasy. www.infowars.com


Try reading the book "Three Felonies a Day" by Harvey Silverglate, from 2009.
Read it and get back to us with the answer. As I recall, Harvey gives entertaining interviews.

I believe that "decriminalize the common man" is the call.

I don't know from Alex Jones, and am not sure if Rush covered it. But since Rush is the purveyor of facts and truth, I wouldn't be surprised if he did cover it, like 8 or 9 years ago. At that time I was in a radio market devoid of such illumination, so would not have heard him.

I got the book at https://thepiratebay.org/search/Harvey%20Silverglate/0/99/0
JewelStaiteFan, you jumped to a weird ass conclusion based only on the title of the book.

Page 255-256 The statutes enacted by the Congress were not sufficiently all-encompassing and onerous for the taste of federal prosecutors. So they have proceeded to do precisely what former Attorney General Robert Jackson, in 1940, warned his U.S. attorneys against: “pick people that he thinks he should get” and “then search the law books…to pin some offense on him.

The book is simply pointing to prosecutors that needed their dumb asses fired, exactly the same as cops who stop cars based on a hunch, kill the driver, then drop a throw-down gun to make the innocent look guilty. The book "Three Felonies a Day" is NOT ABOUT EVERYBODY committing 3 hypothetical felonies a day.

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Friday, February 2, 2018 5:52 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Still No Evidence, a day before Memo Release?



We'd have evidence if lawyers would stop filing all evidence under a confidential seal, leaving GOP Congressmen perfectly free to manufacture their own fake "evidence" exonerating Trump.




Bingo SECOND


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Friday, February 2, 2018 5:54 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The FBI needs to be investigated for its deliberately shoddy "investigation" of the Hillary server, where they violated literally every investigative procedure.

The FBI also needs to be investigated for its biased FISA warrant affidavit.

There should be at least one Special Prosecutor if not two, handling these investigations.





According to our very own Russian troll everybody but Trump should be investigated. Up yours troll

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Friday, February 2, 2018 5:58 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What I heard on NPR was the concept that maybe Mueller's investigation won't uncover anything "illegal" on Trump's part, but that Trump's behavior might represent a "political" problem.

Well. Mueller was handed a bag of shit to investigate. He's doing the best he can to make the rumors/ allegations into something significant, but in reality there's no "there" there, so he's poking his nose into anything he can find. If the worst he can find is Trump being "politically incorrect" ... well, that's not an indictable offense. Demonstrating "collusion" or anything like it is an impossibility. Probably same with "obstruction of justice".

What the NPR reporting sounds like to me is back-peddling/ goalpost moving/ reduction in expectations.

I was thinking Malicious Persecution was a crime. Throw Mueller in prison. Along with Hilliary, McCabe, Comey.



Yep, without a trial right JSf. Here is all the proof needed to show you don't give two shits about the rule of law. You're just a troll.

Same with Jack. He's trying to figure out what to charge them with before the investigation has even finished. He too is just another troll.


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Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:18 AM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


You fotgot to say RUUSIAN troll, you stupid, deluded, Alzheimer's deep State troll.

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Friday, February 9, 2018 7:53 PM

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https://theintercept.com/2018/02/09/donald-trump-russia-election-nsa/

The CIA’s wariness shows that the reality within the U.S. intelligence community is a far cry from the right-wing conspiracy theory that a “deep state” is working against Trump. Instead, the agency’s behavior seems to indicate that U.S. intelligence officials are torn about whether to conduct any operations at all that might aid Mueller’s ongoing investigation into whether Trump or his aides colluded with Russia to win the 2016 presidential election.

Many intelligence officials are reluctant to get involved with anything related to the Trump-Russia case for fear of blowback from Trump himself, who might seek revenge by firing senior officials and wreaking havoc on their agencies. For example, Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence and thus the man supposedly in charge of the entire U.S. intelligence community, has said he does not see it as his role to push for an aggressive Trump-Russia investigation, according to a source familiar with the matter.

Because of the CIA’s reluctance to take an aggressive role, officials at the NSA have taken the lead on the communications channel, with a primary focus on recovering their own stolen documents. They have viewed the Trump-related material as an annoying sidelight, even as they understand that it is potentially the most explosive material to have come through the channel.

The channel has been operating in the shadows even as Mueller’s investigation has been basking in the spotlight. Last year, three former Trump campaign officials faced charges as part of Mueller’s investigation, and the special counsel continues to investigate both possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia and evidence of efforts by Trump or others close to him to obstruct justice in the Mueller probe.

Over the past year, those involved with the secret communications channel have experienced a series of dramatic highs and lows. Until recently, it wasn’t clear whether the conversations would produce any materials about Trump or lead to the recovery of any NSA documents.

It took months of meetings and negotiations between American and Russian intermediaries to try to determine what documents might be available from the Russians – and at what price. Inconsistent interest in the channel by U.S. intelligence officials, particularly at the CIA, complicated the negotiations.

More at https://theintercept.com/2018/02/09/donald-trump-russia-election-nsa/


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Thursday, February 15, 2018 6:05 AM

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"There is already, in my view, ample evidence in the public domain on the issue of collusion if you're willing to see it," Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif, told reporters at a newsmaker breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor. "If you want to blind yourself, then you can look the other way." Schiff said there is evidence — heard by the committee behind closed doors —that he can't talk about publicly because it remains classified.

While it is up to Mueller to conduct the criminal investigation and file any charges he feels are warranted, it is up to the House panel "to tell the country as much as we can about what we have been able to learn," Schiff said.

Even if Mueller determines that he can't file criminal charges of conspiracy, the committee should inform people of any "unpatriotic" or "immoral" actions, even if they weren't illegal, Schiff said.

"It's not fine to work with a foreign power even if there is no violation of law involved," he said.

www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/14/adam-schiff-there-ampl
e-evidence-collusion-between-trump-campaign-russians/336786002
/

Evidence of collusion that has been reported publicly, including:

— Former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about talking in April 2016 to a professor with close ties to the Kremlin who told Papadopoulos that Moscow had "dirt" on Hillary Clinton. The professor told him about thousands of emails the Russians had from the Clinton campaign.

— Donald Trump Jr., Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner, and former campaign chairman Paul Manafort met with a Russian attorney at Trump Tower in June 2016 after being promised "dirt" on Clinton. The campaign later communicated to meeting organizers that they were disappointed they didn't get what they were promised.

— In July 2017, the president and White House advisers put together a misleading statement about the nature of the Trump Tower meeting, saying that it was for the purpose of discussing Russian adoptions.

— The Trump campaign knew through Papadopoulos that the Russians had obtained thousands of emails from the Clinton campaign. Then-candidate Trump publicly asked the Russians in July 2016 to hack Clinton and find her "30,000 emails that are missing" from the personal email server she used while secretary of State. WikiLeaks began posting emails from the Clinton campaign in October, just weeks before the November election.

— Former White House national security adviser Michael Flynn held secret conversations with Russian officials in December 2016 during the presidential transition period, promising to undermine sanctions imposed against Russia by the Obama administration for meddling in the U.S. election. Flynn pleaded guilty late last year to lying to the FBI about those conversations.

"All of this is evidence of collusion," said Schiff, a former federal prosecutor. "Now, I've never said that there was proof beyond a reasonable doubt. That's for Bob Mueller to decide. But to say there's no evidence of collusion, you'd have to ignore all this."

"If this were a trial on the issue of did the Trump campaign conspire with the Russians to interfere or violate U.S. election laws by providing help to the Trump campaign, if this were a trial on that conspiracy charge...all of that evidence would come in as evidence of collusion," Schiff said.

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Thursday, February 15, 2018 6:45 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


When is it "collusion" versus a "change in policy towards Russia" that people have voted for?

Trump made no secret of his desire to reach better relations with Russia; in fact, it was part of his campaign platform.

So, was it a secret?

Not so much.

Also, there has to be a "quid pro quo". I can't find any direct benefit that Trump would have gotten out of this.

So once again, a whole lotta nothing from "ole crazy eyes" Schiff.

Quote:


Is John Brennan the Mastermind Behind Russiagate?
The report (“The Dossier”) that claims that Donald Trump colluded with Russia, was paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign.

The company that claims that Russia hacked DNC computer servers, was paid by the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign.

The FBI’s counterintelligence probe into Trump’s alleged connections to Russia was launched on the basis of information gathered from a report that was paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign.

The surveillance of a Trump campaign member (Carter Page) was approved by a FISA court on the basis of information from a report that was paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign.

The Intelligence Community Analysis or ICA was (largely or partially) based on information from a report that was paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign. (more on this below)

The information that was leaked to the media alleging Russia hacking or collusion can be traced back to claims that were made in a report that was paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign.

The entire Russia-gate investigation rests on the “unverified and salacious” information from a dossier that was paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton Campaign. Here’s how Stephen Cohen sums it up in a recent article at The Nation:

“Steele’s dossier… was the foundational document of the Russiagate narrative…from the time its installments began to be leaked to the American media in the summer of 2016, to the US “Intelligence Community Assessment” of January 2017….the dossier and subsequent ICA report remain the underlying sources for proponents of the Russiagate narrative of “Trump-Putin collision.” (“Russia gate or Intel-gate?”, The Nation)

There’s just one problem with Cohen’s statement, we don’t really know the extent to which the dossier was used in the creation of the Intelligence Community Assessment. (The ICA was the IC’s flagship analysis that was supposed to provide ironclad proof of Russian meddling in the 2016 elections.) According to some reports, the contribution was significant. Check out this excerpt from an article at Business Insider:

“Intelligence officials purposefully omitted the dossier from the public intelligence report they released in January about Russia’s election interference because they didn’t want to reveal which details they had corroborated, according to CNN.” (“Mueller reportedly interviewed the author of the Trump-Russia dossier — here’s what it alleges, and how it aligned with reality”, Business Insider)

Bottom line: Despite the denials of former-CIA Director John Brennan, the dossier may have been used in the ICA.

In the last two weeks, documents have been released that have exposed the weak underpinnings of the Russia investigation while at the same time revealing serious abuses by senior-level officials at the DOJ and FBI. The so called Nunes memo was the first to point out these abuses, but it was the 8-page “criminal referral” authored by Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley and Senator Lindsey Graham that gave credence to the claims. Here’s a blurb from the document:

“It appears the FBI relied on admittedly uncorroborated information, funded by and obtained for Secretary Clinton’s presidential campaign, in order to conduct surveillance of an associate of the opposing presidential candidate. It did so based on Mr. Steele’s personal credibility and presumably having faith in his process of obtaining the information. But there is substantial evidence suggesting that Mr. Steele materially misled the FBI about a key aspect of his dossier efforts, one which bears on his credibility.”

There it is. The FBI made a “concerted effort to conceal information from the court” in order to get a warrant to spy on a member of a rival political campaign. So –at the very least– there was an effort, on the part of the FBI and high-ranking officials at the Department of Justice, to improperly spy on members of the Trump team. And there’s more. The FBI failed to mention that the dossier was paid for by the Hillary campaign and the DNC, or that the dossier’s author Christopher Steele had seeded articles in the media that were being used to support the dossier’s credibility (before the FISA court), or that, according to the FBI’s own analysts, the dossier was “only minimally corroborated”, or that Steele was a ferocious partisan who harbored a strong animus towards Trump. All of these were omitted in the FISA application which is why the FBI was able to deceive the judge. It’s worth noting that intentionally deceiving a federal judge is a felony.

MORE AT http://www.unz.com/mwhitney/is-john-brennan-the-mastermind-behind-russ
iagate
/

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Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:56 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
When is it "collusion" versus a "change in policy towards Russia" that people have voted for?

Trump made no secret of his desire to reach better relations with Russia; in fact, it was part of his campaign platform.

So, was it a secret?

Not so much.

Also, there has to be a "quid pro quo". I can't find any direct benefit that Trump would have gotten out of this.

So once again, a whole lotta nothing from "ole crazy eyes" Schiff.

Quote:


Is John Brennan the Mastermind Behind Russiagate?
The report (“The Dossier”) that claims that Donald Trump colluded with Russia, was paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign.

The company that claims that Russia hacked DNC computer servers, was paid by the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign.

The FBI’s counterintelligence probe into Trump’s alleged connections to Russia was launched on the basis of information gathered from a report that was paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign.

The surveillance of a Trump campaign member (Carter Page) was approved by a FISA court on the basis of information from a report that was paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign.

The Intelligence Community Analysis or ICA was (largely or partially) based on information from a report that was paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign. (more on this below)

The information that was leaked to the media alleging Russia hacking or collusion can be traced back to claims that were made in a report that was paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign.

The entire Russia-gate investigation rests on the “unverified and salacious” information from a dossier that was paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton Campaign. Here’s how Stephen Cohen sums it up in a recent article at The Nation:

“Steele’s dossier… was the foundational document of the Russiagate narrative…from the time its installments began to be leaked to the American media in the summer of 2016, to the US “Intelligence Community Assessment” of January 2017….the dossier and subsequent ICA report remain the underlying sources for proponents of the Russiagate narrative of “Trump-Putin collision.” (“Russia gate or Intel-gate?”, The Nation)

There’s just one problem with Cohen’s statement, we don’t really know the extent to which the dossier was used in the creation of the Intelligence Community Assessment. (The ICA was the IC’s flagship analysis that was supposed to provide ironclad proof of Russian meddling in the 2016 elections.) According to some reports, the contribution was significant. Check out this excerpt from an article at Business Insider:

“Intelligence officials purposefully omitted the dossier from the public intelligence report they released in January about Russia’s election interference because they didn’t want to reveal which details they had corroborated, according to CNN.” (“Mueller reportedly interviewed the author of the Trump-Russia dossier — here’s what it alleges, and how it aligned with reality”, Business Insider)

Bottom line: Despite the denials of former-CIA Director John Brennan, the dossier may have been used in the ICA.

In the last two weeks, documents have been released that have exposed the weak underpinnings of the Russia investigation while at the same time revealing serious abuses by senior-level officials at the DOJ and FBI. The so called Nunes memo was the first to point out these abuses, but it was the 8-page “criminal referral” authored by Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley and Senator Lindsey Graham that gave credence to the claims. Here’s a blurb from the document:

“It appears the FBI relied on admittedly uncorroborated information, funded by and obtained for Secretary Clinton’s presidential campaign, in order to conduct surveillance of an associate of the opposing presidential candidate. It did so based on Mr. Steele’s personal credibility and presumably having faith in his process of obtaining the information. But there is substantial evidence suggesting that Mr. Steele materially misled the FBI about a key aspect of his dossier efforts, one which bears on his credibility.”

There it is. The FBI made a “concerted effort to conceal information from the court” in order to get a warrant to spy on a member of a rival political campaign. So –at the very least– there was an effort, on the part of the FBI and high-ranking officials at the Department of Justice, to improperly spy on members of the Trump team. And there’s more. The FBI failed to mention that the dossier was paid for by the Hillary campaign and the DNC, or that the dossier’s author Christopher Steele had seeded articles in the media that were being used to support the dossier’s credibility (before the FISA court), or that, according to the FBI’s own analysts, the dossier was “only minimally corroborated”, or that Steele was a ferocious partisan who harbored a strong animus towards Trump. All of these were omitted in the FISA application which is why the FBI was able to deceive the judge. It’s worth noting that intentionally deceiving a federal judge is a felony.

MORE AT http://www.unz.com/mwhitney/is-john-brennan-the-mastermind-behind-russ
iagate
/

In regards to "is there any evidence" it sounds like all reasonable people agree at this point that there is no evidence, and there never will be any evidence of collusion because it obviously never happened.

But the instigators and miscreants who started this witch-hunt within a fishing expedition are salivating at the hope of finding some law in the books, somewhere, which could have been violated, by any target they choose.
For anybody familiar with the concept and origin of "unreasonable search" this reeks incredibly.

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Thursday, February 15, 2018 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
What did that one study find? That the average American citizen commits 3 felony violations every single day, largely unaware.

Show me that study you found because I'm curious if you've got a real study or if this is only Rush Limbaugh plus Alex Jones giving you a blowjob and you are in ecstasy. www.infowars.com

Try reading the book "Three Felonies a Day" by Harvey Silverglate, from 2009.
Read it and get back to us with the answer. As I recall, Harvey gives entertaining interviews.

I believe that "decriminalize the common man" is the call.

I don't know from Alex Jones, and am not sure if Rush covered it. But since Rush is the purveyor of facts and truth, I wouldn't be surprised if he did cover it, like 8 or 9 years ago. At that time I was in a radio market devoid of such illumination, so would not have heard him.

I got the book at https://thepiratebay.org/search/Harvey%20Silverglate/0/99/0
JewelStaiteFan

Page 255-256 The statutes enacted by the Congress were not sufficiently all-encompassing and onerous for the taste of federal prosecutors. So they have proceeded to do precisely what former Attorney General Robert Jackson, in 1940, warned his U.S. attorneys against: “pick people that he thinks he should get” and “then search the law books…to pin some offense on him.

The book is simply pointing to prosecutors that needed their dumb asses fired, exactly the same as cops who stop cars based on a hunch, kill the driver, then drop a throw-down gun to make the innocent look guilty.

AG Jackson would be so proud of Mueller, diligently working to prove Silverglate correct regarding how corrupt Mueller has become.

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Thursday, February 15, 2018 12:16 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


It's a bit odd considering who you use to be, and yet now it feels so right that you have joined the Fox & Friends team.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Also, there has to be a "quid pro quo". I can't find any direct benefit that Trump would have gotten out of this.



You're so right! It's not like he became president - golly!


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Thursday, February 15, 2018 12:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
When is it "collusion" versus a "change in policy towards Russia" that people have voted for?




This is why you're to stupid and dishonest to engage in conversation on the Trump, Russia investagation. It's conspiracy dummy not collusion that is a crime. Something you've been told countless times now.

Conspiracy is what is being investigated. Only trolls are insisting on posting about this as though collusion is what Trump is being investigated for.

Conspiracy or collusion. Conspiracy describes two or more people secretly plotting an action, usually but not limited to a harmful or illegal action. Conspiring with the Russians for personal gain, in Trumps case to win an election and in return effect our Russia policy, would be illegal.

So, you've been told again. If you are to dense to comprehend the distinction between collusion and conspiracy, then you certainly can't opine on the topic of a Trump, Russia investigation. You don't have the cognitive ability to do so and make any sense. Which explains the bullshit you post. Comrade troll...

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Thursday, February 15, 2018 1:53 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

Same with Jack. He's trying to figure out what to charge them with before the investigation has even finished. He too is just another troll.



Holy shit dude. Are you for reals?

This is exactly what you've been doing with Trump for 14 months now. I can't even keep track of all of the things Trump has supposedly done that you've been bitching about since November 9th of 2016.

Tick Tock, right?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, February 15, 2018 1:54 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

AG Jackson would be so proud of Mueller, diligently working to prove Silverglate correct regarding how corrupt Mueller has become.

U.S. Secretly Negotiated With Russians to Buy Stolen NSA Documents — and the Russians Offered Trump-Related Material, Too for Mueller to mull over.

February 9 2018, 3:32 p.m.
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/09/donald-trump-russia-election-nsa/

The United States intelligence community has been conducting a top-secret operation to recover stolen classified U.S. government documents from Russian operatives, according to sources familiar with the matter. The operation has also inadvertently yielded a cache of documents purporting to relate to Donald Trump and Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election.

Over the past year, American intelligence officials have opened a secret communications channel with the Russian operatives, who have been seeking to sell both Trump-related materials and documents stolen from the National Security Agency and obtained by Russian intelligence, according to people involved with the matter and other documentary evidence. The channel started developing in early 2017, when American and Russian intermediaries began meeting in Germany. Eventually, a Russian intermediary, apparently representing some elements of the Russian intelligence community, agreed to a deal to sell stolen NSA documents back to the U.S. while also seeking to include Trump-related materials in the package.

The CIA declined to comment on the operation. The NSA did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The secret negotiations began after Trump’s election and have been conducted by U.S. intelligence officials working with intermediaries who mainly operate in Europe. When American intelligence officials initiated efforts to broker a communications channel in 2017, however, their primary objective was to recover stolen NSA documents, not to obtain material about Trump.

At the time, the NSA was desperate to recover documents that intelligence officials believed Russia had obtained through a mysterious group known as the Shadow Brokers. The group stole highly secret NSA hacking tools and began releasing them on the internet in the summer of 2016. The Shadow Brokers theft of the hacking tools devastated morale at the NSA, putting its custom-built offensive cyber weapons out in the open. It was as if a bioweapons laboratory had lost some of its most deadly and dangerous viruses. U.S. officials wanted to identify which NSA documents the Shadow Brokers had stolen, so they could determine how badly the agency had been damaged by the theft.

But once the communications channel opened, the Russians on the other side offered to sell documents related to Trump along with the stolen NSA documents.

More at https://theintercept.com/2018/02/09/donald-trump-russia-election-nsa/

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Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:51 PM

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This thread, once the reality counterpart to the witch-hunt thread, has also become overrun with trolls.
Since their own vacant thread had about Zero traffic for a few weeks, they had to invade here.

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Thursday, February 15, 2018 3:47 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
This thread, once the reality counterpart to the witch-hunt thread, has also become overrun with trolls. Since their own vacant thread had about Zero traffic for a few weeks, they had to invade here.

Since you disbelieve everything, you will be surprised when Trump self-destructs as did Richard Nixon. You never imagined Nixon was guilty until he announced it, did you? And Trump's downfall will be an unexpected shock for you.

Trump’s closest Mideast ally could be headed to prison. There can be similar trouble for Trump, who openly does, through the Trump businesses, what Netanyahu tried to keep secret from Israeli police.

Israeli police recommended indicting Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for corruption. He faces formal criminal charges in two separate investigations.
www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-netanyahu-police/israeli-police-reco
mmend-bribery-charges-against-netanyahu-idUSKCN1FX2JD


Every Israeli prime minister since Shimon Peres, who served in the mid-1990s, has faced criminal investigations while in office. Only one has been convicted: former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, who served a 19-month sentence in the same prison where Israeli President Moshe Katsav spent five years following a rape conviction.

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Thursday, February 15, 2018 4:48 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
This thread, once the reality counterpart to the witch-hunt thread, has also become overrun with trolls. Since their own vacant thread had about Zero traffic for a few weeks, they had to invade here.

Since you disbelieve everything, you will be surprised when Trump self-destructs as did Richard Nixon. You never imagined Nixon was guilty until he announced it

Rewriting history again? Why do you insist upon lying to Fans of Firefly? We may readily soak up SCIENCE FICTION, doesn't mean we gobble up Libtard Fiction.

Care to provide quote or cite where Nixon announced he was guilty?
No need to trot back out your other standby lie, that Nixon was one of the 2 Impeached Presidents. Those 2 were Democrats, racking up a total of 3 Impeachments.

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Thursday, February 15, 2018 6:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
This thread, once the reality counterpart to the witch-hunt thread, has also become overrun with trolls. Since their own vacant thread had about Zero traffic for a few weeks, they had to invade here.

Since you disbelieve everything, you will be surprised when Trump self-destructs as did Richard Nixon. You never imagined Nixon was guilty until he announced it

Rewriting history again? Why do you insist upon lying to Fans of Firefly? We may readily soak up SCIENCE FICTION, doesn't mean we gobble up Libtard Fiction.

Care to provide quote or cite where Nixon announced he was guilty?
No need to trot back out your other standby lie, that Nixon was one of the 2 Impeached Presidents. Those 2 were Democrats, racking up a total of 3 Impeachments.

Is JewelStaiteFan wishing Nixon was explaining his innocence and he quit for no reason, you lying sack of shit?


Is JewelStaiteFan wishing Ford pardoned innocent Nixon for for no reason, you lying sack of shit?



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Thursday, February 15, 2018 7:25 PM

THGRRI


Two things worth noting.

First, JSF is a lying sack of shit.

Second, Nixon clearly stated he did not have a majority in congress willing to back him, protect him. That was his reason for resigning.

263 days and 5 hours until the 2018 elections.


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Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Two things worth noting.

First, JSF is a lying sack of shit.

Second, Nixon clearly stated he did not have a majority in congress willing to back him, protect him. That was his reason for resigning.

263 days and 5 hours until the 2018 elections.

Here is a parable to make Nixon's resignation speech easy to understand: A guy named "Nixon" wrote a suicide note. "Nixon" said that he was innocent, but he would kill himself for the good of the country rather than stand before a jury at a trial that, he claims, would prove his innocence. Then "Nixon" blows his brains out. All the words in "Nixon"'s suicide note were without meaning. In short, the suicide note is all pleasant lies and false justifications. The only truth is that "Nixon" declared himself guilty with a bullet in the head. Change the word "Nixon" to Nixon without the quotes. Change the words blows his brains out to the words resigned the Presidency. Then it is no longer a parable of suicide but is what Nixon actually did.

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Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:29 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
This thread, once the reality counterpart to the witch-hunt thread, has also become overrun with trolls. Since their own vacant thread had about Zero traffic for a few weeks, they had to invade here.

Since you disbelieve everything, you will be surprised when Trump self-destructs as did Richard Nixon. You never imagined Nixon was guilty until he announced it

Rewriting history again? Why do you insist upon lying to Fans of Firefly? We may readily soak up SCIENCE FICTION, doesn't mean we gobble up Libtard Fiction.

Care to provide quote or cite where Nixon announced he was guilty?
No need to trot back out your other standby lie, that Nixon was one of the 2 Impeached Presidents. Those 2 were Democrats, racking up a total of 3 Impeachments.

Is JewelStaiteFan wishing Nixon was explaining his innocence and he quit for no reason, you lying sack of shit?

Is JewelStaiteFan wishing Ford pardoned innocent Nixon for for no reason, you lying sack of shit?


So, you clarify that Nixon did not announce that he was guilty.
And Ford also did not announce that Nixon was guilty.
Logic fail much?
You failed. Twice.

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Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:47 PM

THGRRI


Yeah I agree JSF. He resigned because they could not prove he did anything wrong. Let's see, that would make Nixon a gutless coward. Ok, I'm with you. He did nothing wrong and was railroaded.

Still, he did relinquish his presidency. What a shame he did so only because he was a coward and couldn't stand the criticism.


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Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

So, you clarify that Nixon did not announce that he was guilty.
And Ford also did not announce that Nixon was guilty.
Logic fail much?
You failed. Twice.

Incorrect, JewelStaiteFan, you stupid fucker. Nixon quite elegantly declared himself guilty with his resignation, the moment when he boarded Marine One and waved goodbye forever. The speech the night before his helicopter ride was simply the misdirection used by a great magician to confuse the audience. Nixon's assistant in this magic act, Gerald Ford, would finish the trick by pardoning Nixon. See how clever the two are? Convincing the audience that a upstanding and innocent man left Washington D.C. for the good of the country, not because Nixon was covered from head to toe with guilty shit.

And who can forget the greatest Nixon magic trick of all? Converting treason in 1968 into election day victory:
www.commondreams.org/views/2014/08/12/george-will-confirms-nixons-viet
nam-treason


Believe me, I'm not a crook.



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Thursday, February 15, 2018 10:12 PM

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lol. Another F Bomb by Second.

Somebody should start keeping score.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:26 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So, you clarify that Nixon did not announce that he was guilty.
And Ford also did not announce that Nixon was guilty.
Logic fail much?
You failed. Twice.

Incorrect, JewelStaiteFan, you stupid fucker. Nixon quite elegantly... waved goodbye forever.

And who can forget the greatest Nixon magic trick of all? Converting treason in 1968 into election day victory:
www.commondreams.org/views/2014/08/12/george-will-confirms-nixons-viet
nam-treason


Can't get past your paywall. No idea what you are on about for 1968, when Nixon held no public office.

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Friday, February 16, 2018 6:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So, you clarify that Nixon did not announce that he was guilty.
And Ford also did not announce that Nixon was guilty.
Logic fail much?
You failed. Twice.

Incorrect, JewelStaiteFan, you stupid fucker. Nixon quite elegantly... waved goodbye forever.

And who can forget the greatest Nixon magic trick of all? Converting treason in 1968 into election day victory:
www.commondreams.org/views/2014/08/12/george-will-confirms-nixons-viet
nam-treason


Can't get past your paywall. No idea what you are on about for 1968, when Nixon held no public office.

I see no paywall, JewelStaiteFan. Since you're too stupid to click a link, I will post it. And then I expect the standard Republican responses from you will be to deny it happened or minimize it as nothing or to not even understand it:

George Will Confirms Nixon's Vietnam Treason

by Bob Fitrakis, Harvey Wasserman

Richard Nixon was a traitor.

The new release of extended versions of Nixon's papers now confirms this long-standing belief, usually dismissed as a "conspiracy theory" by Republican conservatives. Now it has been substantiated by none other than right-wing columnist George Will.

Nixon's newly revealed records show for certain that in 1968, as a presidential candidate, he ordered Anna Chennault, his liaison to the South Vietnam government, to persuade them to refuse a cease-fire being brokered by President Lyndon Johnson.

Nixon's interference with these negotiations violated President John Adams's 1797 Logan Act, banning private citizens from intruding into official government negotiations with a foreign nation.

Published as the 40th Anniversary of Nixon's resignation approaches, Will's column confirms that Nixon feared public disclosure of his role in sabotaging the 1968 Vietnam peace talks. Will says Nixon established a "plumbers unit" to stop potential leaks of information that might damage him, including documentation that he believed was held by the Brookings Institute, a liberal think tank. The Plumbers' later break-in at the Democratic National Committee led to the Watergate scandal that brought Nixon down.

Nixon's sabotage of the Vietnam peace talks was confirmed by transcripts of FBI wiretaps. On November 2, 1968, LBJ received an FBI report saying Chernnault told the South Vietnamese ambassador that "she had received a message from her boss: saying the Vietnamese should "hold on, we are gonna win."

As Will confirms, Vietnamese did "hold on," the war proceeded and Nixon did win, changing forever the face of American politics—with the shadow of treason permanently embedded in its DNA.

The treason came in 1968 as the Vietnam War reached a critical turning point. President Lyndon Johnson was desperate for a truce between North and South Vietnam.

LBJ had an ulterior motive: his Vice President, Hubert Humphrey, was in a tight presidential race against Richard Nixon. With demonstrators in the streets, Humphrey desperately needed a cease-fire to get him into the White House.

Johnson had it all but wrapped it. With a combination of gentle and iron-fisted persuasion, he forced the leaders of South Vietnam into an all-but-final agreement with the North. A cease-fire was imminent, and Humphrey’s election seemed assured.

But at the last minute, the South Vietnamese pulled out. LBJ suspected Nixon had intervened to stop them from signing a peace treaty.

In the Price of Power (1983), Seymour Hersh revealed Henry Kissinger—then Johnson’s adviser on Vietnam peace talks—secretly alerted Nixon’s staff that a truce was imminent.

According to Hersh, Nixon “was able to get a series of messages to the Thieu government [of South Vietnam] making it clear that a Nixon presidency would have different views on peace negotiations.”

Johnson was livid. He even called the Republican Senate Minority Leader, Everett Dirksen, to complain that “they oughtn’t be doing this. This is treason.”

“I know,” was Dirksen’s feeble reply.

Johnson blasted Nixon about this on November 3rd, just prior to the election. As Robert Parry of Consortiumnews.com has written: “when Johnson confronted Nixon with evidence of the peace-talk sabotage, Nixon insisted on his innocence but acknowledged that he knew what was at stake.”

Said Nixon: “My, I would never do anything to encourage….Saigon not to come to the table….Good God, we’ve got to get them to Paris or you can’t have peace.”

But South Vietnamese President General Theiu—a notorious drug and gun runner—did boycott Johnson’s Paris peace talks. With the war still raging, Nixon claimed a narrow victory over Humphrey. He then made Kissinger his own national security adviser.

In the four years between the sabotage and what Kissinger termed “peace at hand” just prior to the 1972 election, more than 20,000 US troops died in Vietnam. More than 100,000 were wounded. More than a million Vietnamese were killed.

But in 1973, Kissinger was given the Nobel Peace Prize for negotiating the same settlement he helped sabotage in 1968.

According to Parry, LBJ wanted to go public with Nixon’s treason. But Clark Clifford, an architect of the CIA and a pillar of the Washington establishment, talked Johnson out of it. LBJ’s close confidant warned that the revelation would shake the foundations of the nation.

In particular, Clifford told Johnson (in a taped conversation) that “some elements of the story are so shocking in their nature that I’m wondering whether it would be good for the country to disclose the story and then possibly have [Nixon] elected. It could cast his whole administration under such doubt that I think it would be inimical to our country’s best interests.”

In other words, Clifford told LBJ that the country couldn’t handle the reality that its president was a certifiable traitor, eligible for legal execution.

Fittingly, Clark Clifford’s upper-crust career ended in the disgrace of his entanglement with the crooked Bank of Credit and Commerce (BCCI), which financed the terrorist group Al Qaeda and whose scandalous downfall tainted the Agency he helped found.

Johnson lived four years after he left office, tormented by the disastrous war that destroyed his presidency and his retirement. Nixon won re-election in 1972, again with a host of dirty dealings, then became the first American president to resign in disgrace.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol. Another F Bomb by Second.

Somebody should start keeping score.

Score this one: Which is easier to believe?

A) Trump is innocent and there's a massive conspiracy involving nearly every news outlet on the planet, 17 U.S. intel agencies, countless foreign intel groups, and even a few of Trump's appointees.

OR

B) Trump is a crook.

6ixStringJack, living is a series of probability contests. Call it gambling with your life. If your choice is often the least probable, A) in this example, you're not gonna win the jackpot or even break even. Where's your jackpot, Jack? I got mine.

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Friday, February 16, 2018 7:47 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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lol. No you don't. Nobody believes you're rich, Second.

But I've already got mine. I can work part time minimum wage for the rest of my life and I'll survive.


Maybe you're right about Trump. Too bad you brought up every stupid and meaningless little thing along the way for the last 400+ days to detract from what might actually be a huge problem. Nobody wants to listen to you or the news anymore. Only the 2-3 million CNN/MSNBC nightly viewers even give a shit. The other 300+ million people in America are more concerned with what movies are coming out this weekend.

Maybe pick your battles better next time, twerp.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, February 16, 2018 9:11 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol. No you don't. Nobody believes you're rich, Second.

And nobody believes you are struggling in a crap job. Oh, my mistake, they do believe your stories and do believe Trump is a crook, even if he never goes on trial for felony tax evasion.
www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/08/21/trumps-business-of-corruption

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Friday, February 16, 2018 9:22 AM

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Yeah. They do believe me. Who would lie about that?

It's easy to lie to everybody online and pretend your rich. Nobody believes you anymore.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yeah. They do believe me. Who would lie about that?

It's easy to lie to everybody online and pretend your rich. Nobody believes you anymore.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Can you believe what you wrote? Do you actually know what you wrote means?
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Too bad you brought up every stupid and meaningless little thing along the way for the last 400+ days to detract from what might actually be a huge problem. Nobody wants to listen to you or the news anymore. Only the 2-3 million CNN/MSNBC nightly viewers even give a shit. The other 300+ million people in America are more concerned with what movies are coming out this weekend.

I think you placed your finger on why only 2-3 million are doing really well (20-30 million doing okay) in the US while the rest of Americans are fat, dumb and drunk. The losers think they are smart, but struggling in an unfair world which doesn't recognize their inherent worth. Except there are a million clues available to make their lives ten time more worthy, but they remain clueless. The losers smoke, drink, over-eat, borrow at high interest rates, incompetently perform their hated jobs, won't move to a better state, beat their children, etc., etc. and it doesn't matter how many public service messages the losers see, they never get the clue and they continue to fail and it is never their fault. It's those crooked politicians' fault, the same politicians that a majority of losers voted for. I believe you when you said you voted for Trump. How is that decision working out for you? It's great for me; maybe not so much for you. I didn't vote for Trump, by the way. There were thousands of clues that Trump would be no good for the job and 6ixStringJack ignored them all because it was too much information for him, calling the clues "stupid and meaningless little things".

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Friday, February 16, 2018 10:11 AM

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lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Always the laughing Jackass, 6ixStringJack. Try to think about your fucked up decision on Trump: One year after Trump took office, it is still unclear whether the president of the United States is an agent of a foreign power. Just step back and think about that for a moment. Americans live with the uncertainty of not knowing whether the president has the best interests of the United States or those of the Russian Federation at heart.

Most pundits in Washington now recoil at any suggestion that the Trump-Russia story is really about treason. They all want to say it’s about something else – what, they aren’t quite sure. They are afraid to use serious words. They are in the business of breaking down the Trump-Russia narrative into a long series of bite-sized, incremental stories in which the gravity of the overall case often gets lost. They seem to think that treason is too much of a conversation-stopper, that it interrupts the flow of cable television and Twitter. God forbid you might upset the right wing! (And the left wing, for that matter.)

But if a presidential candidate or his lieutenants secretly work with a foreign government that is a longtime adversary of the United States to manipulate and then win a presidential election, that is almost a textbook definition of treason.

In Article 3, Section 3, the U.S. Constitution states that “treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”

Based on that provision in the Constitution, U.S. law – 18 U.S. Code § 2381 – states that “[w]hoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere” is guilty of treason. Those found guilty of this high crime “shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.”

Mueller’s mandate was to investigate “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation.” Rosenstein noted that “if the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.”

How closely aligned is Mueller’s mandate with the legal definition of treason? That boils down to the rhetorical differences between giving “aid and comfort, in the United States or elsewhere” to “enemies” of the United States and “any links and/or coordination” between the Russian government and Trump campaign aides related to “the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.”

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/16/trump-russia-election-hacking-inve
stigation
/

There are four important tracks to follow in the Trump-Russia story.

First, we must determine whether there is credible evidence for the underlying premise that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Trump win.

Second, we must figure out whether Trump or people around him worked with the Russians to try to win the election.

Third, we must scrutinize the evidence to understand whether Trump and his associates have sought to obstruct justice by impeding a federal investigation into whether Trump and Russia colluded.

A fourth track concerns whether Republican leaders are now engaged in a criminal conspiracy to obstruct justice through their intense and ongoing efforts to discredit Mueller’s probe.

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Friday, February 16, 2018 11:44 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol. No you don't. Nobody believes you're rich, Second.

But I've already got mine. I can work part time minimum wage for the rest of my life and I'll survive.


Maybe you're right about Trump. Too bad you brought up every stupid and meaningless little thing along the way for the last 400+ days to detract from what might actually be a huge problem. Nobody wants to listen to you or the news anymore. Only the 2-3 million CNN/MSNBC nightly viewers even give a shit. The other 300+ million people in America are more concerned with what movies are coming out this weekend.

Maybe pick your battles better next time, twerp.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

They have that many combined viewers?
I keep hearing that CNN, PMSNBC each have less than a million viewers.

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Friday, February 16, 2018 11:50 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yeah. They do believe me. Who would lie about that?

It's easy to lie to everybody online and pretend your rich. Nobody believes you anymore.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Can you believe what you wrote? Do you actually know what you wrote means?
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Too bad you brought up every stupid and meaningless little thing along the way for the last 400+ days to detract from what might actually be a huge problem. Nobody wants to listen to you or the news anymore. Only the 2-3 million CNN/MSNBC nightly viewers even give a shit. The other 300+ million people in America are more concerned with what movies are coming out this weekend.

I think you placed your finger on why only 2-3 million are doing really well (20-30 million doing okay) in the US while the rest of Americans are fat, dumb and drunk. The losers think they are smart, but struggling in an unfair world which doesn't recognize their inherent worth. Except there are a million clues available to make their lives ten time more worthy, but they remain clueless. The losers smoke, drink, over-eat, borrow at high interest rates, incompetently perform their hated jobs, won't move to a better state, beat their children, etc., etc. and it doesn't matter how many public service messages the losers see, they never get the clue and they continue to fail and it is never their fault. It's those crooked politicians' fault, the same politicians that a majority of losers voted for. I believe you when you said you voted for Trump. How is that decision working out for you? It's great for me; maybe not so much for you. I didn't vote for Trump, by the way. There were thousands of clues that Trump would be no good for the job and 6ixStringJack ignored them all because it was too much information for him, calling the clues "stupid and meaningless little things".

I wonder if this explains why the trolls have invaded this thread, burying the discussion amid their nonsense, while abandoning their desolate thread where they finally realized that they were the only navel gazers chattering to themselves in their echo chamber.

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Friday, February 16, 2018 11:51 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

They have that many combined viewers?
I keep hearing that CNN, PMSNBC each have less than a million viewers.

I hear that the top 1% number less than 3 million and they kick your ass whenever they can, JewelStaiteFan. To anyone who has studied the history of the KGB, particularly during the Cold War, the attack on the Clinton campaign and the Democratic Party during the 2016 U.S. election looks like the contemporary cyber-descendant of countless analog KGB propaganda efforts. Back in the 1970s and 1980s, the KGB frequently engaged in ambitious disinformation campaigns that were designed to sow suspicion of the United States in the developing world. The KGB’s so-called “active measures” programs would use international front organizations, cutouts, and sometimes unwitting enablers in the press to disseminate their anti-American propaganda.

The most infamous and dangerously effective KGB disinformation campaign of the Cold War was known as Operation Infektion. It was a secret effort to convince people in developing countries that the United States had created the HIV/AIDS virus.

In 1983, a newspaper in India printed what purported to be a letter from an American scientist saying the virus had been developed by the Pentagon. The letter went on to suggest that the U.S. was moving its experiments to Pakistan, India’s archenemy. Meanwhile, the KGB got an East German scientist to spread misinformation supporting the Moscow-backed conspiracy theory that the U.S. was behind the virus.

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/16/trump-russia-election-hacking-inve
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Friday, February 16, 2018 1:31 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

I wonder if this explains why the trolls have invaded this thread, burying the discussion amid their nonsense, while abandoning their desolate thread where they finally realized that they were the only navel gazers chattering to themselves in their echo chamber.

This afternoon's news:
Thirteen Russians criminally charged for interfering in US election, Mueller announces

All were charged with conspiracy to defraud the United States
Three charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud
Five defendants charged with aggravated identity theft

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/16/robert-mueller-russians-charge
d-election
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

. . . they finally realized that they were the only navel gazers chattering to themselves in their echo chamber.

The echo is inside the hollow head of JewelStaiteFan. Be forthright, JSF, and claim no evidence and Mueller is witch-hunting Trump.

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Friday, February 16, 2018 2:00 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

I wonder if this explains why the trolls have invaded this thread, burying the discussion amid their nonsense, while abandoning their desolate thread where they finally realized that they were the only navel gazers chattering to themselves in their echo chamber.

This afternoon's news:
Thirteen Russians criminally charged for interfering in US election, Mueller announces

All were charged with conspiracy to defraud the United States
Three charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud
Five defendants charged with aggravated identity theft

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/16/robert-mueller-russians-charge
d-election
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

. . . they finally realized that they were the only navel gazers chattering to themselves in their echo chamber.

The echo is inside the hollow head of JewelStaiteFan. Be forthright, JSF, and claim no evidence and Mueller is witch-hunting Trump.



13 Russian nationals indicted for interfering in US elections


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Friday, February 16, 2018 2:03 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I wonder if this explains why the trolls have invaded this thread, burying the discussion amid their nonsense, while abandoning their desolate thread where they finally realized that they were the only navel gazers chattering to themselves in their echo chamber.

This afternoon's news:
Thirteen Russians criminally charged for interfering in US election, Mueller announces

All were charged with conspiracy to defraud the United States
Three charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud
Five defendants charged with aggravated identity theft

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/16/robert-mueller-russians-charge
d-election
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
. . . they finally realized that they were the only navel gazers chattering to themselves in their echo chamber.

The echo is inside the hollow head of JewelStaiteFan. Be forthright, JSF, and claim no evidence and Mueller is witch-hunting Trump.

You use a lot of letters to say "still no evidence of Trump Collusion" but you do have a steady supply of Red Herrings.
But you still could have posted that nonsense in your desolate thread where nobody looks, instead of trolling and polluting these threads where the adults were talking.

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Friday, February 16, 2018 2:14 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

You use a lot of letters to say "still no evidence of Trump Collusion" but you do have a steady supply of Red Herrings.
But you still could have posted that nonsense in your desolate thread where nobody looks, instead of trolling and polluting these threads where the adults were talking.

JewelStaiteFan, is an indictment a 'Red Herring'? I'm assuming you can click, but I'm not positive you are smart enough to read The Grand Jury for the District of Columbia indictment: http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/mkt/5/1605/1603/internet_research
_agency_indictment.pdf


The last page is signed by
Robert S. Mueller, III
Special Counsel
U.S. Department of Justice

Did JewelStaiteFan get that far in your reading? Or did you consign the document to your not evidence file?

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Friday, February 16, 2018 2:47 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, February 16, 2018 2:52 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Although, I DO have to say that those who are (were?) convinced of "Russian hacking" and "Russian collusion" seem to be posting a contradictory message: On the one hand, they keep pointing to "evidence", and on the other hand they excuse it's lack by saying Well, what do you think Meuller is going to do? Release evidence as soon as he finds it?". You guys - pick one or the other, you can't credibly have both.
. . .
As you know, I have another thread of "evidence" against naughty Debbie W, and some of the other goings-on in DC. I'll bet if we knew everything about everything there, we'd throw everybody out.

Indictment came today. All Russian names. Probably a coincidence that Signym can explain away as not evidence.

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-indictment/russians-indict
ed-in-2016-u-s-election-meddling-investigation-idUSKCN1G022U


http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/mkt/5/1605/1603/internet_research
_agency_indictment.pdf


UNITED STATES OF AMERICA versus

Yevgeniy Viktorovich Prigozhin,
Mikhail Ivanovich Bystrov,
Mikhail Leonidovich Burchik
A/K/A Mikhail Abramov,
Aleksandra Yuryevna Krylova,
Anna Vladislavovna Bogacheva,
Sergey Pavlovich Polozov,
Maria Anatolyevna Bovda
A/K/A Maria Anatolyevna Belyaeva,
Robert Sergeyevich Bovda,
Dzheykhun Nasimi Ogly Aslanov
A/K/A Jayhoon Aslanov
A/K/A Jay Aslanov,
Vadim Vladimirovich Podkopaev,
Gleb Igorevich Vasilchenko,
Irina Viktorovna Kaverzina, and
Vladimir Venkov.


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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