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Wednesday, July 11, 2018 8:39 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

This is just another BS scare tactic by the MSM. Nothing to see here.

You are talking crazy, 6ix. Brett Kavanaugh argued that a sitting President should be above the Law. That is exactly what Trump wants.

“I believe it vital that the President be able to focus on his never-ending tasks with as few distractions as possible. The country wants the President to be ‘one of us’ who bears the same responsibilities of citizenship that all share. But I believe that the President should be excused from some of the burdens of ordinary citizenship while serving in office,” argued Kavanaugh in the law-review article. He then asserted that “the indictment and trial of a sitting President, moreover, would cripple the federal government, rendering it unable to function with credibility in either the international or domestic arenas. Such an outcome would ill serve the public interest, especially in times of financial or national security crisis.”

www.thenation.com/article/brett-kavanaugh-argued-sitting-president-law/

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Wednesday, July 11, 2018 9:05 AM

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7 legal experts on how Kavanaugh views executive power — and what it could mean for Mueller

“It does seem as though when he was on the DC Circuit he had an affection for presidential power. Let’s put it that way.”

What happens if a sitting president happens to be the subject of a criminal investigation? It’s an issue involving executive power that could rise all the way to the Supreme Court, and one that Brett Kavanaugh, President Donald Trump’s justice pick, could weigh in on if he’s confirmed.

And on that issue (and others), Kavanaugh, a judge on the DC Circuit Court of Appeals, has a paper trail — opinions and other writings that offer insights into how he might make decisions on the highest court. The Supreme Court may hear some element of the Russia investigation — the subpoena of a sitting president, or (less likely) the indictment of one. And Kavanaugh could be one of the justices to decide on such matters. And he has made it all too clear how he will decide, even before there is a case to be decided.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/11/17551648/kavanaugh-mueller-t
rump-executive-power-legal


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Wednesday, July 11, 2018 4:41 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

This is just another BS scare tactic by the MSM. Nothing to see here.

You are talking crazy, 6ix. Brett Kavanaugh argued that a sitting President should be above the Law. That is exactly what Trump wants.

“I believe it vital that the President be able to focus on his never-ending tasks with as few distractions as possible. The country wants the President to be ‘one of us’ who bears the same responsibilities of citizenship that all share. But I believe that the President should be excused from some of the burdens of ordinary citizenship while serving in office,” argued Kavanaugh in the law-review article. He then asserted that “the indictment and trial of a sitting President, moreover, would cripple the federal government, rendering it unable to function with credibility in either the international or domestic arenas. Such an outcome would ill serve the public interest, especially in times of financial or national security crisis.”

www.thenation.com/article/brett-kavanaugh-argued-sitting-president-law/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



That's not the argument. Stop quoting one sentence when you reply to somebody.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, July 11, 2018 5:19 PM

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Thats exactly wut woud happen. He sed az much. THATS THE FREEKIN PLAN!

The potential for sivil war iz bekuming more realiztic every week. Putin will be happy with that, but I think he woud prefer for Trump to seksessfully turn the US into a dictatorship.

Seemz to be happening alot theze dayz, but not being much on history, maybe its just the normal rate.

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Thursday, July 12, 2018 7:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

That's not the argument. Stop quoting one sentence when you reply to somebody.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

An argument, where we come to some agreed upon truth, is only possible between people who are trying to understand. You are not to be trusted, 6ix, to do that work. But it's not my burden to explain something in great detail, with examples designed specially for you, that will get through your thick skull and save your life. It is your life, not mine, so ruin it however you please. Remember: you can't be all that smart, 6ix, and also fuck up your life like you did and are doing. I don't expect you to understand.

The ethical and moral standards inside the White House have dropped so low that even on the way out the door, conservatives are painting the comically corrupt former Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt as a martyred hero victimized by the hysterical liberal media.

“I am just so disappointed in the president’s failure to support Scott against the angry attacks from the loony left,” Republican donor Doug Deason told Politico. “Nothing he did amounted to anything big. He was THE most effective Cabinet member by far.“

It’s impossible to build an administration that’s entirely scandal-free. But you can vet people properly, you can drum-out malefactors who slip through the cracks, and you can build an institutional culture in which team members are rewarded for exposing impropriety rather than rewarded for covering it up.

But inside the Donald Trump White House, grifters, abusers, racists, and harassers still get hired; they lurk around the Oval Office after they’ve been found out; and even in the rare instance where they’re forced out, it’s only grudgingly.

Bill Shine, for example, came on board last week to run White House communications. He got fired from his last job as president of Fox News for his role in orchestrating a massive, multi-year cover-up of widespread sexual harassment and sexual assault of employees. The White House didn’t note this in the press release.

His wife, Darla, meanwhile, has a habit of tweeting inaccurate anti-vaccination memes and a ton of racist stuff, but leading conservative commentators take the view that, since she is nice to her friends, quoting her accurately amounts to a liberal smear campaign.

Then there’s White House staff secretary Rob Porter, who was eventually forced out once it came to light that he’d beaten up a couple of his wives but the White House could never quite get its story straight on exactly what happened, seemingly because Chief of Staff John Kelly had known the facts and tried to cover them up. About a month later, Trump decided he missed Porter and wanted him back, which didn’t happen, but Kelly obviously wasn’t punished for the coverup.

Jim Jordan, a leading House conservative, stands accused by a half-dozen former Ohio State University wrestlers of turning a blind eye to routine sexual abuse of young athletes. And both President Trump and his colleagues are rallying behind Jordan with the preposterous theory that it’s all a conspiracy cooked up by the “deep state”.

What is really striking thing about the current state of Republican Party politics is not the handful of crooks and spouse abusers who’ve been forced out of their jobs, but the petulant and foot-dragging manner in which they’ve been cashiered, the continued tolerance for so many apparent malefactors, and the evident lack of desire to even attempt anything resembling a proper house-cleaning.

Trump’s administration is full of kooks and crooks because it’s led by Donald Trump. Nothing can realistically be done about it because there’s no way to hold your team to any kind of normal standard of conduct when Donald Trump is captain of the ship.

Corruption is not exactly new to American politics. But never before in American history has the president of the United States been a person whose entire career has been devoted to enriching himself. Donald Trump is first and foremost a greedy person, and despite his campaign season promises to set avarice aside and “be greedy for the United States,” he has, in practice, relentlessly monetized the presidency. He has refused to divest from his business, refused to engage in any meaningful financial disclosure, and clearly encourages business and others with interest in the policy process to cut him in on a piece of the action by holding events at his clubs and hotels. Members of his exclusive Florida beach club (annual membership fee: $200,000) get choice tours of Air Force One. Pay Trump, get a tour.

More at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/11/17546970/trump-pruitt-shine

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, July 12, 2018 8:03 AM

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Originally posted by JO753:
Thats exactly wut woud happen. He sed az much. THATS THE FREEKIN PLAN!

The potential for sivil war iz bekuming more realiztic every week. Putin will be happy with that, but I think he woud prefer for Trump to seksessfully turn the US into a dictatorship.

Seemz to be happening alot theze dayz, but not being much on history, maybe its just the normal rate.

The only presidential democracy with a long history of constitutional continuity is the United States. The constitutions of Finland and France are hybrids rather than true presidential systems, and in the case of the French Fifth Republic, the jury is still out. Aside from the United States, only Chile has managed a century and a half of relatively undisturbed constitutional continuity under presidential government, but Chilean democracy broke down in the 1970s.

The superior historical performance of parliamentary democracies is no accident. A careful comparison of parliamentarism as such with presidenlialism as such leads to the conclusion that, on balance, the former is more conducive to stable democracy than the latter. This conclusion applies especially to nations with deep political cleavages and numerous political parties; for such countries, parliamentarism generally offers a better hope of preserving democracy.

https://scholar.harvard.edu/levitsky/files/1.1linz.pdf

www.hank-edmondson.com/amgovchapt4/the-presidential-v-the.html

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Thursday, July 12, 2018 8:31 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

That's not the argument. Stop quoting one sentence when you reply to somebody.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

An argument, where we come to some agreed upon truth, is only possible between people who are trying to understand. You are not to be trusted, 6ix, to do that work. But it's not my burden to explain something in great detail, with examples designed specially for you, that will get through your thick skull and save your life. It is your life, not mine, so ruin it however you please. Remember: you can't be all that smart, 6ix, and also fuck up your life like you did and are doing. I don't expect you to understand.

The ethical and moral standards inside the White House have dropped so low that even on the way out the door, conservatives are painting the comically corrupt former Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt as a martyred hero victimized by the hysterical liberal media.

“I am just so disappointed in the president’s failure to support Scott against the angry attacks from the loony left,” Republican donor Doug Deason told Politico. “Nothing he did amounted to anything big. He was THE most effective Cabinet member by far.“

It’s impossible to build an administration that’s entirely scandal-free. But you can vet people properly, you can drum-out malefactors who slip through the cracks, and you can build an institutional culture in which team members are rewarded for exposing impropriety rather than rewarded for covering it up.

But inside the Donald Trump White House, grifters, abusers, racists, and harassers still get hired; they lurk around the Oval Office after they’ve been found out; and even in the rare instance where they’re forced out, it’s only grudgingly.

Bill Shine, for example, came on board last week to run White House communications. He got fired from his last job as president of Fox News for his role in orchestrating a massive, multi-year cover-up of widespread sexual harassment and sexual assault of employees. The White House didn’t note this in the press release.

His wife, Darla, meanwhile, has a habit of tweeting inaccurate anti-vaccination memes and a ton of racist stuff, but leading conservative commentators take the view that, since she is nice to her friends, quoting her accurately amounts to a liberal smear campaign.

Then there’s White House staff secretary Rob Porter, who was eventually forced out once it came to light that he’d beaten up a couple of his wives but the White House could never quite get its story straight on exactly what happened, seemingly because Chief of Staff John Kelly had known the facts and tried to cover them up. About a month later, Trump decided he missed Porter and wanted him back, which didn’t happen, but Kelly obviously wasn’t punished for the coverup.

Jim Jordan, a leading House conservative, stands accused by a half-dozen former Ohio State University wrestlers of turning a blind eye to routine sexual abuse of young athletes. And both President Trump and his colleagues are rallying behind Jordan with the preposterous theory that it’s all a conspiracy cooked up by the “deep state”.

What is really striking thing about the current state of Republican Party politics is not the handful of crooks and spouse abusers who’ve been forced out of their jobs, but the petulant and foot-dragging manner in which they’ve been cashiered, the continued tolerance for so many apparent malefactors, and the evident lack of desire to even attempt anything resembling a proper house-cleaning.

Trump’s administration is full of kooks and crooks because it’s led by Donald Trump. Nothing can realistically be done about it because there’s no way to hold your team to any kind of normal standard of conduct when Donald Trump is captain of the ship.

Corruption is not exactly new to American politics. But never before in American history has the president of the United States been a person whose entire career has been devoted to enriching himself. Donald Trump is first and foremost a greedy person, and despite his campaign season promises to set avarice aside and “be greedy for the United States,” he has, in practice, relentlessly monetized the presidency. He has refused to divest from his business, refused to engage in any meaningful financial disclosure, and clearly encourages business and others with interest in the policy process to cut him in on a piece of the action by holding events at his clubs and hotels. Members of his exclusive Florida beach club (annual membership fee: $200,000) get choice tours of Air Force One. Pay Trump, get a tour.

More at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/11/17546970/trump-pruitt-shine

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Would you care for me to provide you with a list of great men who have at some point before or even during their greatness been ruining themselves with their addictions and/or self destructive behaviors?

It's generally the more gifted among us who suffer at the hands of these addictions and/or depression at sometime throughout their lives.

What is truly impressive and inspiring is seeing somebody not only wrestle with these demons for a prolonged period of time, but to beat them down and then to put their lives back together.

Your bait isn't going to work here, my friend. I'm 10 times the man you'll ever be. And I'm widening that gap every day.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, July 12, 2018 10:01 AM

REAVERFAN


I miss having a smart, competent, articulate president. Looks like I'm not alone.

Barack Obama is greatest president of our lifetime: survey
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/barack-obama-is-greatest-president-o
f-our-lifetime-survey
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Thursday, July 12, 2018 12:36 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
I miss having a smart, competent, articulate president. Looks like I'm not alone.

Barack Obama is greatest president of our lifetime: survey
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/barack-obama-is-greatest-president-o
f-our-lifetime-survey/



If being articulate were the only consideration when deeming one "great", then Obama would win that one.

Absolutely nothing else that he did comes to mind.

Then again, the bar is set abysmally low. Just a Carter, a Reagan, two Bush's a Clinton and a Trump to compete with.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, July 12, 2018 12:40 PM

REAVERFAN


Obama is going to be remembered as a very good, intelligent president who guided our country out of a depression and strived to make regular Americans' lives better and bring peace to an unsettled world, in spite of a congress composed of crying babies who opposed him at every turn.

Blumpy will be remembered by the entire world as a tiny fingered, self-dealing vulgarian forever embroiled in conflicts of his own making, who lied and bumbled his way into office with the help of Putin and auditoriums full of cheering rejects from a WWF audience with the FOX “NEWS” logo burned into their retina and GOP kick me signs taped to their backs. No more than a game show host whose only real success in life was a reality TV show...a sort of male Kim Kardashian with a bigger ass and even bigger ego...Who cheats at golf.


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Friday, July 13, 2018 7:51 AM

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Obama is going to be remembered as a very good, intelligent president who guided our country out of a depression and strived to make regular Americans' lives better and bring peace to an unsettled world, in spite of a congress composed of crying babies who opposed him at every turn.

Blumpy will be remembered by the entire world as a tiny fingered, self-dealing vulgarian forever embroiled in conflicts of his own making, who lied and bumbled his way into office with the help of Putin and auditoriums full of cheering rejects from a WWF audience with the FOX “NEWS” logo burned into their retina and GOP kick me signs taped to their backs. No more than a game show host whose only real success in life was a reality TV show...a sort of male Kim Kardashian with a bigger ass and even bigger ego...Who cheats at golf.

You are focusing on the wrong end of gun. Sure, Trump looks to be a foolish hunter, an Elmer Fudd spraying shotgun pellets randomly, but he actually keeps hitting the target: making the rich ever richer. He will be fondly remembered for that by the rich. As for everyone else, they will remember mostly the noisy cover fire he provided with his machine-gun mouth running all the time as guys like me, in a nearly completely legal robbery, take an ever larger percent of the yearly income and national wealth.



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Friday, July 13, 2018 7:57 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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As for everyone else, they will remember mostly the cover fire he provided with his machine-gun mouth running all the time as guys like me accumulated an ever larger percent of the yearly income and national wealth.



Just like pretty much every president before him in the last few decades.

Except nobody believes that your rich while you spend so much of your time preaching to an audience of 10 people here.

All that money and you never learned what ROI means?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, July 13, 2018 8:19 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
As for everyone else, they will remember mostly the cover fire he provided with his machine-gun mouth running all the time as guys like me accumulated an ever larger percent of the yearly income and national wealth.



Just like pretty much every president before him in the last few decades.

Except nobody believes that your rich while you spend so much of your time preaching to an audience of 10 people here.

All that money and you never learned what ROI means?

I am practicing my writing for the six part story: "River Tam and the Problem of Evil". It is how she intimidates the Operatives so that they will let Serenity and Mal go back to doing what Mal does so well. That is a story that will earn me nothing. The ROI is 0.

I found a story where, just this week, Trump made another excellent move, before he flew to Europe and continued to distract attention from what he is actually doing, making the rich richer:

The real debate in the American judiciary is whether the Constitution allows the people’s elected representatives to meaningfully regulate the national economy.

Soon to be Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh clearly believes it does not: He has called the existence of independent regulatory agencies — notably including the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau but potentially the entire alphabet soup of FCC, FTC, CFTC, SEC, FEC, etc. — a “threat to individual liberty.”

But rather than debate this squarely, we are instead faced with grifters like Kavanaugh’s former boss Ken Starr insisting that Kavanaugh stands for nothing more than a simple “pro-democracy, let-the-people-govern-themselves vision.” The truth is quite the opposite — Kavanaugh’s vision, which he shares with Starr and the bulk of the conservative legal academy, is one in which the courts should stand as staunch allies of capital and block any effort at democratic control of big business.

The business world moves fast to try to exploit profit-making opportunities. At the same time, passing laws is clunky and difficult. Between bicameralism, the presidential veto, the committee system, and the filibuster, it’s just very hard to get new legislation enacted. So if you want to regulate business effectively, you can’t play legislative whack-a-mole and spot abuses in real time. What reformers do instead is try to create regulatory agencies that are given broad mandates to police areas of conduct. But the GOP wants to kill the agencies.

A classic example is the Clean Air Act, which charges the Environmental Protection Agency with identifying forms of harmful air pollution and promulgating rules to cost-effectively reduce it, rather than counting on Congress to pass new laws every time science or business practice changes. To make this system work, judges need to show deference to the regulatory agencies and acknowledge that the congressional reformers who created them wanted the agencies to have some flexibility and discretion. Kavanaugh, as Starr correctly observers, does not believe that this deference should be granted. This is a crucial aspect of his judicial philosophy, and Starr is right to call attention to it.

But Kavanaugh’s doctrine is not about the promotion of self-government or even about deference, it’s about viewing discretion as a one-way street that is always biased against regulation. How does he do it now and how will he continue once on the Supreme Court?

The Reconstruction-era Congress passed the 14th Amendment to try to establish black people’s civil rights, only to see Gilded Age courts rule that the 14th Amendment’s reference to “due process” prohibited all kinds of economic regulations — including civil rights laws! That only changed when those old judges died, but Kavanaugh and many young and conservative intellectuals are now trying to rehabilitate the same old Gilded Age idea that the Constitution should be read primarily as a property owners’ charter, whose purpose is to stymie economic regulation.

Kavanaugh and the conservative legal mainstream use it as a tool to protect business owners from majority rule. If one is a sufficiently unprincipled liar — which Brett Kavanaugh certainly is, as we saw in his remarks after Trump introduced him to the nation — one can dress this up in the language of democracy or originalism or whatever else.

More at www.vox.com/2018/7/12/17557594/brett-kavanaugh-economics-judicial-acti
vism-supreme-court


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Friday, July 13, 2018 8:25 AM

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I am practicing my writing for the six part story: "River Tam and the Problem of Evil". It is how she intimidates the Operatives so that they will let Serenity and Mal go back to doing what Mal does so well. That is a story that will earn me nothing. The ROI is 0.



Great. Maybe if you spent only 5% of the time you waste here on the story it might be finished before you die of old age.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, July 13, 2018 8:59 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
I am practicing my writing for the six part story: "River Tam and the Problem of Evil". It is how she intimidates the Operatives so that they will let Serenity and Mal go back to doing what Mal does so well. That is a story that will earn me nothing. The ROI is 0.



Great. Maybe if you spent only 5% of the time you waste here on the story it might be finished before you die of old age.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

In my head, the story was finished years ago and was inspired by Indistinguishable From Magic www.fireflyfans.net/bluesun.aspx?bid=5185

At that point I bought a book "Time Machines, Time Travel in Physics, Metaphysics, and Science Fiction". I discovered there was too much magic and not enough real physics in the original story. Rather than travel to the past, River will send a telepathic message to the past, to herself. The complications that ensue to send that message have amused me and that is what's important to me. Finishing the story is simply more work for me and if there is any amusement it will go to other people, not me. www.springer.com/us/book/9780387985718

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, July 13, 2018 9:13 AM

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Maybe if you spent only 5% of the time you waste here on the story it might be finished before you die of old age.




If we only had 5% of your posts, reading them would still be a 100% waste of our time.

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Friday, July 13, 2018 9:29 AM

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Friday, July 13, 2018 9:30 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Maybe if you spent only 5% of the time you waste here on the story it might be finished before you die of old age.




If we only had 5% of your posts, reading them would still be a 100% waste of our time.

I pretty much agree. What the Republican voters, the Russian trolls, the empty-headed 6ixStringJack, etc. post about demonstrates that the entire way their dingy little minds work, even with the smartest of them, seems to be extreme helplessness and fearfulness. I can see why these people have lots of problems: they have almost no problem solving skills in the real world and they are afraid of everything.

This is why I'm not good writer: I always forget the example. What made you Trump voters think that he could improve your lives? He spent his entire career lying to people to get their money, then when they discovered he would not keep his promises, going to court and counter-suing the people he cheated. All those Trump voters disbelieved the true stories about Trump's past and preferred his make-believe stories.

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Thursday morning at the Economic Club of Washington, House Speaker Paul Ryan had three clear messages on trade. He thinks the Trump administration’s trade wars are misguided, he doesn’t intend to do anything about it, and he is committed to pretending that there’s nothing he can do about it.

Here’s the reality of what he can do. Back in September of 2016, the Obama administration vetoed a bill that was supported by large bipartisan majorities in both houses of Congress. Congress voted to override his veto. (Obama vetoed legislation that would allow 9/11 victims’ families to sue the Saudi Arabian government over its support for the terrorists who carried out the attacks.)

Veto overrides are rare because they require two-thirds support in both houses of Congress and because it’s very unusual for a president to take an action that gets denounced by his own party’s leader, for example, Ryan denounced Trump on trade.

If Paul Ryan and other congressional Republicans who’ve long supported free trade wanted to write legislation curtailing Trump’s ability to invoke spurious national security claims to raise taxes on imported goods, it seems certain that they would be able to get the votes to do so.

The question would be whether Democrats would bail Trump out by upholding his veto. Given that there is no real strategy behind Trump’s trade approach, it seems unlikely to me that any Democrats will support Trump.

But Ryan is voluntarily surrendering to Trump without a shot, all while pretending that he has no choice.

www.economicclub.org/media-alerts/news-coverage-house-speaker-paul-rya
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Friday, July 13, 2018 11:31 AM

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lol... no sweat off my sack guys and gals. I usually only read the first sentence or two of any of your posts before I start gagging myself.

Or laughing hysterically... I guess it depends on the subject matter.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, July 13, 2018 12:46 PM

REAVERFAN


I remember when being ignorant was considered a flaw, not a virtue.

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Friday, July 13, 2018 12:57 PM

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Quote:

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I remember when being ignorant was considered a flaw, not a virtue.



And you are still correct reaverfan. Ignorance is only revered by the ignorant.

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol... no sweat off my sack guys and gals. I usually only read the first sentence or two of any of your posts before I start gagging myself.

Or laughing hysterically... I guess it depends on the subject matter.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, you are the one living in semi-poverty. It could be because you are not paying attention. There were many Trump voters blaming Obama, when I know their problems are caused completely by themselves. They never understood that they need to fix themselves or at least stop making excruciatingly stupid mistakes; you know the kind: cheat on your wife or embezzle from your employer or drive drunk or buy what you can't pay for or a thousand other idiotic things Republicans are prone to do, then pray for the Lord's forgiveness on Sunday. He shall not forgive you for stupidity.

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Saturday, July 14, 2018 6:49 AM

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Trump's Paint Job Choices For Air Force One



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Saturday, July 14, 2018 7:30 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol... no sweat off my sack guys and gals. I usually only read the first sentence or two of any of your posts before I start gagging myself.

Or laughing hysterically... I guess it depends on the subject matter.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, you are the one living in semi-poverty. It could be because you are not paying attention. There were many Trump voters blaming Obama, when I know their problems are caused completely by themselves. They never understood that they need to fix themselves or at least stop making excruciatingly stupid mistakes; you know the kind: cheat on your wife or embezzle from your employer or drive drunk or buy what you can't pay for or a thousand other idiotic things Republicans are prone to do, then pray for the Lord's forgiveness on Sunday. He shall not forgive you for stupidity.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



I'm the only one who's been honest about my past here. We have no clue what your actual financial situation is, nor does anybody really care.

I'm not in semi-poverty, btw. I'm one of a very small percentage of people in the country who own their house free and clear and don't have a mortgage or need to pay rent. Because of this, though my yearly income falls below poverty thresholds, my lack of financial obligations puts me in the same boat that a single person making more than double my yearly income is in.

The only reason things are as tight for me as they are now is because even though I have access to a ton of credit, unlike the guy making $30-35k per year with a mortgage, I refuse to put anything on credit that I can't pay off at the end of the month.




At the end of the day my financial situation, no matter how good or bad one could argue it is, has no bearing on how ridiculous you sound every time you post here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, July 15, 2018 7:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'm not in semi-poverty, btw. I'm one of a very small percentage of people in the country who own their house free and clear and don't have a mortgage or need to pay rent. Because of this, though my yearly income falls below poverty thresholds, my lack of financial obligations puts me in the same boat that a single person making more than double my yearly income is in.

The only reason things are as tight for me as they are now is because even though I have access to a ton of credit, unlike the guy making $30-35k per year with a mortgage, I refuse to put anything on credit that I can't pay off at the end of the month.

At the end of the day my financial situation, no matter how good or bad one could argue it is, has no bearing on how ridiculous you sound every time you post here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix writes "very small percentage". You are wrong as usual: 29% (20.6 million) of homeowners own their home outright. West Virginia tops the state list with the highest percentage of free and clear homeowners (45%) followed by Louisiana (39%) and Arkansas (38%). The poorer the state, the more likely the mortgage has been paid-off. There is a strong connection between being a Trump voter with a low income and having primitive ideas about money, credit cards, and mortgages. 6ixStringJack, I haven't got the time or interest to straighten out your hillbilly/white-trash ideas. But I will give you a clue: those ideas are why you are poor.
www.zillow.com/research/free-and-clear-american-mortgages-3681/

In 2018, homeownership rate was 64.2%. Since 1960, the homeownership rate in the United States has remained relatively stable. In 1960, 62.1% of American households owned their own home.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home-ownership_in_the_United_States

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Sunday, July 15, 2018 7:37 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'm not in semi-poverty, btw. I'm one of a very small percentage of people in the country who own their house free and clear and don't have a mortgage or need to pay rent. Because of this, though my yearly income falls below poverty thresholds, my lack of financial obligations puts me in the same boat that a single person making more than double my yearly income is in.

The only reason things are as tight for me as they are now is because even though I have access to a ton of credit, unlike the guy making $30-35k per year with a mortgage, I refuse to put anything on credit that I can't pay off at the end of the month.

At the end of the day my financial situation, no matter how good or bad one could argue it is, has no bearing on how ridiculous you sound every time you post here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix writes "very small percentage". You are wrong as usual: 29% (20.6 million) of homeowners own their home outright. West Virginia tops the state list with the highest percentage of free and clear homeowners (45%) followed by Louisiana (39%) and Arkansas (38%). The poorer the state, the more likely the mortgage has been paid-off. There is a strong connection between being a Trump voter with a low income and having primitive ideas about money, credit cards, and mortgages. 6ixStringJack, I haven't got the time or interest to straighten out your hillbilly/white-trash ideas. But I will give you a clue: those ideas are why you are poor.
www.zillow.com/research/free-and-clear-american-mortgages-3681/

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lol

There's zero proof you have a dime to your name here buddy.

Anybody can brag about having a ton of money. I still think you're a 40 year old virgin and all you do all day long is play League of Legends in your mom's basement and take little breaks to post your Mocha Monster and Cheetoz fueled idiotic thoughts here.

I feel bad for you dude. I'm like one of the closest things you have to a friend.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

There's zero proof you have a dime to your name here buddy.


There is zero proof you are poor, 6ixStringJack. Or that you voted for Trump. With electronic voting and no copy of a paper ballot, I think you'd have a hard time even proving you voted, which brings me to a book about Trump voters being lying sacks of shit:

A new book, The Death of Truth, out July 17 puts forward an intriguing argument: The American Right’s discard for the truth is a descendent of the postmodern movement, which ruled American and European cultural production in the late 20th century.

The particular disdain for the truth that currently prevails in the US—including the rejection of “elite” journalistic fact-finding and evidence-based science—has intellectual roots in high culture:
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It’s safe to say that Trump has never plowed through the works of Derrida, Baudrillard, or Lyotard (if he’s even heard of them), and postmodernists are hardly to blame for all the free-floating nihilism abroad in the land. But some dumbed-down corollaries of their thinking have seeped into popular culture and been hijacked by the president’s defenders, who want to use its relativistic arguments to excuse his lies, and by right-wingers who want to question evolution or deny the reality of climate change or promote alternative facts.
Postmodernism is a difficult-to-define critical movement from the late 1970s that interpreted art and texts from a position that there was no knowable, central truth. Postmodern works of art and architecture, argues Kakutani, led to groundbreaking new visions, but those theories moved through culture, and were misapplied to history, social sciences, and hard sciences. That’s how the US got anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, and conspiracy theorists.

The unreliable narrators of fiction, which gave us books like Lauren Groff’s Fates and Furies, TV shows like The Affair, and films like Kurosawa’s Rashomon, gave Trump and his army of yes-people the ability to get away with “alternate facts.”

This viewpoint that “all truths are partial (and a function of one’s perspective),” says Kakutani, is how creationists conclude that schools should “teach both”: their view, intelligent design, alongside the one supported by the scientific method, evolution. And how Donald Trump was able to say there were “some very fine people on both sides” at the alt-right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia last year.

“[Deconstruction] promulgated an extreme relativism that was ultimately nihilistic in its implications: anything could mean anything; an author’s intent did not matter, could not in fact be discerned; there was no such thing as an obvious or common-sense reading, because everything had an infinitude of meanings,” writes Kakutani. “In short there was no such thing as truth.”

The Death of Truth is not a heartening read, but it’s part of a group of works by dogged, reason-wielding intellectuals that necessarily remind us not give in to apathy, or be seduced by the normalization of lies.

https://quartzy.qz.com/1327759/

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Sunday, July 15, 2018 9:34 AM

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Indictment of Russian officers puts pressure on Trump at Putin summit

GLASGOW, Scotland (Reuters) - If U.S. President Donald Trump was inclined to be tentative when raising election meddling with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday, the indictment of 12 Russian intelligence officers with hacking in 2016 has made that approach a much harder sell.

https://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCAKBN1K4023-OCATP

In an attempt to be politically correct the mainstream media just won't commit to saying...Trump has no intention of confronting Putin. All his finances are in jeopardy if he does. And, because he's guilty as hell in my opinion with colluding/conspiring with the Russians to get elected.

Can't wait until they can declare it outright.

T


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Sunday, July 15, 2018 10:51 AM

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It occurred to me the other day that Trump is just another Janukovych. Maybe he’ll run off to Moscow like Yanu did?

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Sunday, July 15, 2018 11:43 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

There's zero proof you have a dime to your name here buddy.


There is zero proof you are poor, 6ixStringJack.



Never claimed I was.

Quote:

Or that you voted for Trump.


Okay.

Quote:

With electronic voting and no copy of a paper ballot, I think you'd have a hard time even proving you voted,


Probably true.

Quote:

which brings me to a book about Trump voters being lying sacks of shit:



Nobody cares.

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Sunday, July 15, 2018 12:35 PM

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Quote:

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It occurred to me the other day that Trump is just another Janukovych. Maybe he’ll run off to Moscow like Yanu did?



We can offer to pay for the ticket.

T


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Why Trump is an easy mark for Putin
A former US ambassador to Russia breaks down the Trump-Putin meeting.

“There is a danger simply in having the meeting if there’s nothing to be gained from it”

Sean Illing: Is it a mistake for Trump to hold this meeting with Putin?

Michael McFaul: No, I’m not in that camp. We engage with autocrats and adversaries all the time. We did this during the Cold War under very perilous times. So generally I’m not against holding summits, even with people like Putin. But in this particular instance, it just doesn’t feel like there’s an agenda to advance.

When I was in the Obama administration, that was the way we approached all summits with Russian leaders. The first question we asked was, “What set of objectives are we going to advance by having this meeting?” And we canceled a summit with Russia that was scheduled in 2013 because there was no concrete agenda to advance and because Putin had granted asylum to Edward Snowden.

We decided that was too much of an affront for us to move forward with the meeting. What Putin has done in the last couple of years, however, is completely outrageous compared to what he did in 2013.

Sean Illing: There doesn’t seem to be any downside for Putin to have this meeting. People worry that Trump might agree to something foolish in a meeting like this, but he’s already helping to advance Putin’s foreign policy, so it’s not clear to me why anything said here will really matter.

Michael McFaul: That’s correct. In terms of his other behavior, Trump is definitely advancing policy outcomes that Putin favors. What he did in Brussels last week, for example, was absolutely in Putin’s interest. But it’s important to remember that there is a danger simply in having the meeting if there’s nothing to be gained from it.

Trump’s instinct is going to be to forget about the past, to forget about Russia’s annexation of Crimea, to forget about Russia’s war in Ukraine, to skim over Putin’s support for one of the worst dictators in the world, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, and to say next to nothing about Russia violating our sovereignty in the 2016 election. Because his impulse to get along is so strong, he’s going to forge ahead and forget about all these issues.

And of course, there’s also the possibility that Trump will give something away or agree to a deal that helps Putin and does nothing to advance American interests.

More at www.vox.com/world/2018/7/15/17552900/trump-putin-helsinki-meeting-mcfa
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The man who co-wrote “The Art of the Deal” said Sunday he believes President Trump’s faculties are diminishing — and that he feels obligated to sound the alarm.

“We are in a true emergency,” Tony Schwartz said on CNN Sunday. “And the accelerated rate at which his breakdown or decompensation is occurring is cause for us, and certainly for me, to come onto TV more often, to tweet more often.”

Schwartz told CNN’s Brian Stelter that he felt comfortable making that assessment because he had “spent an enormous time with [Trump] over a period of 18 months.”

He also said he was a 25-year student of psychology and had spent “an enormous amount of time” with shrinks who were trying to get to the bottom of Trump.

Schwartz said he felt bad for journalists covering the president because they couldn’t go far enough.

“I believe the republic is in enormous risk that goes far beyond what most journalists are comfortable saying and what the general public, therefore — it doesn’t really fully understand,” he said.

More at https://nypost.com/2018/07/15/art-of-the-deal-co-author-says-trump-is-
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