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Monday, April 5, 2021 9:26 PM

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'Follow the Money': Corporations Gave $50 Million to GOP Lawmakers Behind Voter Suppression
Onslaught
"No matter how many PR statements Big Business puts out, its complicity with the antidemocratic
forces that want to make voting harder is clear."
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/04/05/follow-money-corporations
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Since 2015, AT&T, Comcast, UnitedHealth Group, Walmart, and other big businesses have donated a
combined $50 million to state Republican lawmakers who are currently supporting voter suppression
bills across the United States—generous political spending at odds with recent corporate efforts to
rebrand as defenders of voting rights.

A new report (pdf) released Monday morning by consumer advocacy group Public Citizen found that
during the 2020 election cycle alone, U.S. corporations donated $22 million to Republican architects of
voter suppression bills that are advancing through state legislatures nationwide.
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"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of
state and corporate power." -A fascist



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Monday, April 5, 2021 9:30 PM

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lol

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Monday, April 5, 2021 9:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
lol


Nazis love Nazism. It makes them lol.



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Monday, April 5, 2021 11:01 PM

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Imagine how the trolls would howl if a Democrat did that.
Trump's hypocrisy is not an issue to his cult. It reminds them of their own.


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Monday, April 5, 2021 11:23 PM

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Tuesday, April 6, 2021 6:21 AM

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Democrats Suddenly Get a Big Break

This is a big deal:

Alex Bolton @alexanderbolton
Chuck Schumer scores a big win as Senate parliamentarian rules that a revised budget resolution may contain budget reconciliation instructions. This will allow Senate Democrats to move two more reconciliation packages in 2021, averting GOP filibusters.

For the past couple of months Schumer has been arguing that Section 304 of the Congressional Budget Act of 1974 allows two budget reconciliation bills per year, not just one. The second one, he says, can be passed as a revision to the first one as long as the House agrees.

The value of a budget reconciliation bill is that it can't be filibustered and requires only 50 votes to pass. Democrats have already used it once to pass the $1.9 trillion coronavirus bill, and they'd like to use it again to pass President Biden's infrastructure bill. Now, according to the parliamentarian, they can.

This is an end-run around the filibuster, but not a perfect one. Reconciliation bills are limited to things that affect the budget, like taxes and spending, and nothing else. So it's probably OK for an infrastructure bill, but not, say, for a bill to raise the minimum wage of $15.

Nevertheless, there are a fair number of things that fall under the broad umbrella of the budget. Since Democrats control the House—which has to agree to all this—it means they get a chance to pass two big bills this year and then another two later in the year during work on the FY22 budget.

None of this changes the fact that they still have to round up 50 votes in a Senate with 50 Democrats. And it won't help with some of their highest priorities, like the mammoth bill to set federal voting standards. But it still opens up a lot of possibilities.

https://jabberwocking.com/democrats-suddenly-get-a-big-break/

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Tuesday, April 6, 2021 6:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:

Imagine how the trolls would howl if a Democrat did that.
Trump's hypocrisy is not an issue to his cult. It reminds them of their own.

It's Trump bullshitting, not hypocrisy. Trump bullshitted about the Jan 6th riot and the November election. A majority of Republicans don't have a problem with that bullshitting, either. From yesterday:

Three months after a mob of Trump supporters stormed the Capitol to try to overturn his November election loss, about half of Republicans believe the siege was largely a non-violent protest or was the handiwork of left-wing activists “trying to make Trump look bad,” a new Reuters/Ipsos poll has found.

Six in 10 Republicans also believe the false claim put out by Trump that November’s presidential election “was stolen” from him due to widespread voter fraud, and the same proportion of Republicans think he should run again in 2024, the March 30-31 poll showed.

Since the Capitol attack, Trump, many of his allies within the Republican Party and right-wing media personalities have publicly painted a picture of the day’s events jarringly at odds with reality.

Hundreds of Trump’s supporters, mobilized by the former president’s false claims of a stolen election, climbed walls of the Capitol building and smashed windows to gain entry while lawmakers were inside voting to certify President Joe Biden’s election victory. The rioters - many of them sporting Trump campaign gear and waving flags - also included known white supremacist groups such as the Proud Boys.

In a recent interview with Fox News, Trump said the rioters posed “zero threat.” Other prominent Republicans, such as Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, have publicly doubted whether Trump supporters were behind the riot.

Last month, 12 Republicans in the House of Representatives voted against a resolution honoring Capitol Police officers who defended the grounds during the rampage, with one lawmaker saying that he objected using the word “insurrection” to describe the incident.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-disinformation/half-of
-republicans-believe-false-accounts-of-deadly-u-s-capitol-riot-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN2BS0RZ


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Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:25 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:

Imagine how the trolls would howl if a Democrat did that.
Trump's hypocrisy is not an issue to his cult. It reminds them of their own.

It's Trump bullshitting, not hypocrisy.



You'll have to forgive Marcos.

He still hasn't figured out how words work yet.



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Tuesday, April 6, 2021 10:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:

Imagine how the trolls would howl if a Democrat did that.
Trump's hypocrisy is not an issue to his cult. It reminds them of their own.

It's Trump bullshitting, not hypocrisy.



You'll have to forgive Marcos.

He still hasn't figured out how words work yet.


There is an old quote: "Hypocrisy is the homage vice pays to virtue." Getting to the core of what that quote means: Bullshitting is far worse than being a hypocrite who missed the target. The bullshitter may never have even aimed at the target and may not even have pulled the trigger. The bullshitter is saying "Bang! I hit the bullseye!" but the rifle wasn't loaded. There wasn't even a rifle. It was all pretending and pantomiming.

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Tuesday, April 6, 2021 10:23 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Cute quote, but I disagree with the sentiment.

Nothing is worse than a hypocrite. A hypocrite has no cornerstone in their life and changes their mind and the reality around them at the drop of the hat to suit their current argument.


While some bullshitters are certainly hypocrites too, not all bullshitters are hypocrites.



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Tuesday, April 6, 2021 10:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Cute quote, but I disagree with the sentiment.

Nothing is worse than a hypocrite. A hypocrite has no cornerstone in their life and changes their mind and the reality around them at the drop of the hat to suit their current argument.


While some bullshitters are certainly hypocrites too, not all bullshitters are hypocrites.


I am guessing that you have never been in charge of a big project with lofty goals that you failed to meet on time. Publicly, if you are the boss or the politician trying make a difficult project work as intended, you will hypocritically praise everyone involved for what they accomplished. The bullshitter will do much the same, but with one big difference -- he fakes it. While the hypocrite has to continue working to actually achieve the goal, not just 90% of the way, the bullshitter claims total victory, even if he failed to reach 50%, and he will walk away from failure without acknowledging his failure, continuing to claim it is a huge success and he won the election. Meanwhile the hypocrite will keep working on the project to make his promises as real as possible.

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Tuesday, April 6, 2021 1:19 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Oh. Okay.

You don't know what a hypocrite is either.

Gotcha.



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Wednesday, April 7, 2021 5:17 AM

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America's most important political battle

Trump claims that instead of the deadly violence by his supporters on January 6 (the day Congress was certifying Biden's winning vote count) the rioters were "hugging and kissing" the cops in what was nothing but a peaceful protest. Unless it was violent, in which case it was the work of leftist agitators.

It's easy to become accustomed and blasé about this new reality. But we should stop to think about what it means: One of the two governing parties in the United States is controlled by people promoting the delegitimization of America's duly elected president, people who are endorsing or refusing to rectify dangerous lies.

The phenomenon risks making political violence more acceptable. Although most Americans blame the former president for the deadly events at the Capitol, according to an ABC poll, a majority of Republicans think Trump did nothing wrong.

It wasn't very long ago that the country had two reality-based, generally centrist parties. Democrats and Republicans, with different philosophies, debated the merits of their ideas, in search of a workable compromise.

But then, bit by bit, the GOP started veering in a different direction. By the time Trump became president, the maximalist, nativist, conspiracy-driven, scandal-manufacturing, hate-stoking wing was already ascendant, propelled by the engines of Fox News and other far-right provocateurs. Trump's victory was the coup that toppled the old GOP and turned it into the extremist MAGA machine.

Many of Trump's former critics, people like Senators Marco Rubio, Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz, who had all lambasted him in the past, now praise him with unselfconscious abandon.

And yet, the fight is not over. More than a few Republicans are still willing to speak out. This is not about Republicans deciding if they are conservative or moderate, it's about deciding if the party will respect the truth, democracy, and some manner of principle other than what is good for Trump and those seeking favor with him.

We've seen flashes of courage from conservative Republicans, like Rep. Liz Cheney and moderate ones like Sen. Mitt Romney and Rep. Adam Kinzinger. And at the state level, we saw Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and other Republican election officials hold firm despite Trump's verbal slings and arrows.

Other political battles may seem more interesting, more urgent, maybe more entertaining. But when it comes to America's future, this one matters most. American democracy will struggle to survive if one of its two parties turns its back on reality and stops believing in democracy.

More at https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/06/opinions/americas-political-battle-ghit
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Wednesday, April 7, 2021 5:32 AM

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What is QAnon? Everything You Need to Know About the Conspiracy in 2021

Intro

QAnon, you might have heard about it. But even if you haven’t, you’ve probably heard some of its claims.

And you probably have a lot of questions.

Do QAnon followers really believe that child-eating satanic cults control our lives? And Donald Trump is the savior of humankind? Where did it come from? How did it become so popular?

What the hell is going on?

Like most people, before writing this guide, I mostly considered QAnon a joke. But learning about its origins and watching events unfold in real-time as I was writing, it all started to make a lot more sense.

QAnon’s rise from internet obscurity to a global phenomenon is a complicated, surreal, and troubling tale of a world plagued by anger, division, lies, and loneliness.

Hopefully, by the time you finish reading, you’ll understand QAnon (and its appeal) a little better. And in doing so, you’ll be prepared for the next chapter in this wild, crazy story.
What is QAnon?

In a nutshell, QAnon is a conspiracy cult that started on 4chan (an anonymous imageboard) and quickly spread into mainstream politics and culture.

QAnon followers believe:

A secret global cabal of Satan-worshipping politicians, celebrities, billionaires, and Catholic church leaders control the world. They traffick children to engage in ritualistic pedophilia and eat the children to harvest a life-extending chemical, adrenochrome, from their blood.

According to QAnon, Donald Trump is aware of all this and has been secretly waging a complex battle against the cabal and their collaborators in the US government – known as the ‘Deep State.’

When he’s successful, thousands of cabal members will be rounded up and imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay. Mass unrest will break out across the US, which the National Guard will brutally suppress. Eventually peace will prevail.

Over the years, QAnon has grown more complex, weaving in threads from older conspiracy theories and co-opting current events (i.e., Jeffrey Epstein’s arrest, Coronavirus, 5G conspiracies). An increasing number of public figures have been exposed as villains and cabal leaders, from George Soros and Bill Gates to model Chrissy Teigen and Pope Francis.

It’s also grown more Biblical and apocalyptic. Many in QAnon now believe that God chose Donald Trump to lead the struggle, along with his ‘digital soldiers’ (a term for QAnon followers).

After Trump overthrows the evil cabal, God will deliver salvation to the human race, and there will be utopia on Earth for all eternity.

More at https://www.mysticmag.com/psychic-reading/what-is-qanon/

Skipping to the last chapter: Final Thoughts

In early 2021, QAnon was a little over 3 years old – and facing a major crisis.

Donald Trump was kicked out of office, failing to fulfill Q’s prophecies; the attempted insurrection failed to overthrow the US government; and after months of silence, it appeared Q had abandoned his followers altogether.

So, what happens next?

Nobody knows for sure, but one thing is guaranteed: the grievances, anger, and conspiracies that inspired QAnon’s meteoric rise from fringe internet forums to global cultural force are stronger than ever.

While the QAnon brand may fade back into internet obscurity, the lies and false beliefs it created will continue to spread unless drastic action is taken.

QAnon – and all its craziness – has laid bare the divisions and social ills that have been plaguing society for years. We can continue to ignore them and wait for the next QAnon to emerge, more violent and better organized – or we can start to address these complex but urgent issues.

Our futures may very well depend on which course of action we choose.

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Wednesday, April 7, 2021 6:05 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


LOL

Second's afraid of bogey men.

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Wednesday, April 7, 2021 11:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
LOL

Second's afraid of bogey men.

OMG, 6ix! QAnon has written extensively about imaginary bogey men. See conspiracy claims: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon#Conspiracy_claims

The bogey men don't exist, but crazy Republicans, armed with automatic rifles, believe in the bogey men. Those weaponized crazies are a problem.

Since you won't click the link, I will copy over a description of the beliefs of crazy armed Republicans: "... there is a worldwide cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles who rule the world, essentially, and they control everything. They control politicians, and they control the media. They control Hollywood, and they cover up their existence, essentially. And they would have continued ruling the world, were it not for the election of President Donald Trump. Now, Donald Trump in this conspiracy theory knows all about this evil cabal's wrongdoing. But one of the reasons that Donald Trump was elected was to put an end to them, basically. And now we would be ignorant of this behind-the-scenes battle of Donald Trump and the U.S. military – that everyone backs him and the evil cabal – were it not for "Q." And what "Q" is is basically a poster on 4chan, who later moved to 8chan, who reveals details about this secret behind-the-scenes battle, and also secrets about what the cabal is doing and also the mass sort of upcoming arrest events through these posts."

The above description is more coherent than the ramblings of a typical Texas Trumptard, but it gives you a faint idea of what is wrong in their heads. It also hints at why millions of Texas Trumptards have trouble functioning at work, at home, and at holding on to the lower economic ladder rungs of the middle class.
https://www.google.com/search?q=QAnon

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Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

You'll have to forgive Marcos.

He still hasn't figured out how words work yet.


How is crying for a Coke boycott while drinking Coke not hypocrisy?

You're still really, really stupid. There's no cure.



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Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

You'll have to forgive Marcos.

He still hasn't figured out how words work yet.


How is crying for a Coke boycott while drinking Coke not hypocrisy?

You're still really, really stupid. There's no cure.



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Wednesday, April 7, 2021 8:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

You'll have to forgive Marcos.

He still hasn't figured out how words work yet.


How is crying for a Coke boycott while drinking Coke not hypocrisy?

You're still really, really stupid. There's no cure.






Why don't you ask Second, fuckwit.

He was the one who disagreed with you.

I just never pass up any opportunity to talk about how dumb you are.



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Thursday, April 8, 2021 2:36 AM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Well, my search is over!
I think I found Q's representative HERE, and it must be SECONDRATE!

I mean, look HOW MUCH! SECONDRATE posts about Q, and how much SECONDRATE seems to know! Clearly, only a representative of Q would bring all this info to the board!



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Thursday, April 8, 2021 6:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, my search is over!
I think I found Q's representative HERE, and it must be SECONDRATE!

I mean, look HOW MUCH! SECONDRATE posts about Q, and how much SECONDRATE seems to know! Clearly, only a representative of Q would bring all this info to the board!

Fears of white people losing out permeate Capitol rioters’ towns, study finds

When the political scientist Robert Pape began studying the issues that motivated the 380 or so people arrested in connection with the attack against the Capitol on Jan. 6, he expected to find that the rioters were driven to violence by the lingering effects of the 2008 Great Recession.

But instead he found something very different: Most of the people who took part in the assault came from places, his polling and demographic data showed, that were awash in fears that the rights of minorities and immigrants were crowding out the rights of white people in American politics and culture.

If Mr. Pape’s initial conclusions — published on Tuesday in The Washington Post — hold true, they would suggest that the Capitol attack has historical echoes reaching back to before the Civil War, he said in an interview over the weekend. In the shorter term, he added, the study would appear to connect Jan. 6 not only to the once-fringe right-wing theory called the Great Replacement, which holds that minorities and immigrants are seeking to take over the country, but also to events like the far-right rally in Charlottesville, Va., in 2017 where crowds of white men marched with torches chanting, “Jews will not replace us!”

“If you look back in history, there has always been a series of far-right extremist movements responding to new waves of immigration to the United States or to movements for civil rights by minority groups,” Mr. Pape said. “You see a common pattern in the Capitol insurrectionists. They are mainly middle-class to upper-middle-class whites who are worried that, as social changes occur around them, they will see a decline in their status in the future.”

One fact stood out in Mr. Pape’s study, conducted with the help of researchers at the Chicago Project on Security and Threats, a think tank he runs at the University of Chicago. Counties with the most significant declines in the non-Hispanic white population are the most likely to produce insurrectionists. This finding held true, Mr. Pape determined, even when controlling for population size, distance to Washington, unemployment rate and urban or rural location.

More at https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/06/us/politics/capitol-riot-study.html

Mr. Pape's career has mostly been focused on international terrorism. After the Sept. 11 attacks, he created a database of suicide bombers from around the world. His research led to a remarkable discovery: Most of the bombers were secular, not religious, and had killed themselves not out of zealotry, but rather in response to military occupations.

American officials eventually used the findings to persuade some Sunnis in Iraq to break with their religious allies and join the United States in a nationalist movement known as the Anbar Awakening.

Recalling his early work with suicide bombers, Mr. Pape suggested that the country’s understanding of what happened on Jan. 6 was only starting to take shape, much like its understanding of international terrorism slowly grew after Sept. 11.

“We really still are at the beginning stages,” he said.




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Thursday, April 8, 2021 6:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Fears of white people losing out permeate Capitol rioters’ towns, study finds



No they don't.

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Thursday, April 8, 2021 2:21 PM

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Jen Psaki humiliates Fox reporter over ridiculous rightwing question


"Let me just refute the 1st point you made."

What she really wanted to say was "Dude don't you do your homework before coming here and embarrassing yourself on National Television?"

He's from Fox, so of course, the answer is "No."



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Thursday, April 8, 2021 2:31 PM

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Rudy Giuliani: I'm the REAL Victim of My MASSIVE Trump Election LIES


This is what passes for credible with the trumptards.





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Friday, April 9, 2021 3:12 PM

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Most Americans Know Nothing About Politics. Nothing.

Even when I try really hard to take into account that most people don't know much about politics, I still overestimate how much they know.

Do they know that Republicans filibuster everything? Nah. Do they know that most Republicans think the election was stolen? Not really. Do they know anything at all about policy issues? Probably not, unless there happens to be one that impinges on their day jobs.

Frankly, for the vast majority of Americans, your best bet is to assume not that they are "low information voters" but that they know nothing about politics. Literally nothing. (Many, of course, know less than nothing because they listen to Fox News and come away with misinformation that makes them mad. They forget about the misinformation quickly, but they don't forget that they're mad.)

No matter how little you think most people know, cut it in half and then cut it in half again. That should get you somewhere close to the truth.

https://jabberwocking.com/most-americans-know-nothing-about-politics-n
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Noam Chomsky wrote:

Hume was a great philosopher. He wrote an important essay, “Of the First Principles of Government” (1741), one of the classic texts on what we now call political philosophy or political science. He opens his study by raising a question. He’s surprised, he says, to see the “easiness” with which people subordinate themselves to power systems. That’s a mystery, because the people themselves really have the power. Why do they subject themselves to masters? The answer, he says, must be consent: the masters succeed in what we now call manufacturing consent. They keep the public in line by their belief that they must subordinate themselves to power systems. And he says this miracle occurs in all societies, no matter how brutal or how free.

Hume was writing in the wake of the first democratic revolution, the English revolution of the mid-seventeenth century, which led to what we call the British constitution—basically, that the king will be subordinate to parliament. Parliament at that time basically meant merchants and manufacturers. Hume’s close friend, Adam Smith, wrote about the consequences of the revolution. In his own famous book The Wealth of Nations (1776), he pointed out that the now sovereign “merchants and manufacturers” are the true “masters of mankind.” They used their power to control the government and to ensure that their own interests are very well taken care of, no matter how “grievous” the effect on the people of England—and even worse, on those who are subject to what he called “the savage injustice of the Europeans,” referring mainly to the British rule in India.

The year before Smith published The Wealth of Nations, the American Revolution broke out. About a decade later the American Constitution was formed, very much like during the first democratic uprising. That’s presented as a conflict between the king and parliament. And it ended, as I said, with the king being subordinate to parliament, the rising merchant and manufacturing class.

But that’s not the whole story. There was also the general public, which didn’t want to be ruled by either king or parliament. It was a lively pamphlet period. Itinerant workers and ministers reached much of the general public. Their pamphlets and talks called for being ruled by fellow countrymen, who know the people’s wants, not by knights and gentlemen who only want to oppress the people. They called for universal health, universal education, and many things. But they were ultimately crushed. Hume and Smith both wrote after the victory of the merchants and manufacturers in Britain—not only over the king, but over the general public.

This was reenacted in the American Constitution, as Michael Klarman documents in his book The Framers’ Coup (2016). The public wanted democracy. The Framers—wealthy men, nearly half of them slave owners—wanted to prevent the threat of democracy, much like the men of “best quality,” as they called themselves during the first democratic revolution. It didn’t take more than a few years for James Madison to realize what Smith had realized before. In 1791 he wrote a letter to his friend Thomas Jefferson in which he deplored the collapse of the democratic system that he hoped he had established—not too much democracy, but at least some. The stock-jobbers—in our day that means the financial institutions—had taken so much power, Madison deplored, that they had become the “tool and tyrant” of government. They work for government but they also control government, working for their own interests.


Many of the same problems exist today. More at https://bostonreview.net/class-inequality-politics/noam-chomsky-david-
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The constitution was not created by rousing national consensus—an impractical concept at the time—but by the personal preferences of its creators. Moreover, the convention produced a constitution very different from what most Americans anticipated. How did the Framers convince Americans to approve a scheme so unrepresentative of national opinion?

This book advances a view of the Founding that differs somewhat from those previously offered. Plainly, no single motive or explanatory variable can account for the making of the Constitution. However, experts will recognize that I have been especially drawn to the view, long advanced by others, that the Constitution was a conservative counterrevolution against what leading American statesmen regarded as the irresponsible economic measures enacted by a majority of state legislatures in the mid-1780s, which they diagnosed as a symptom of excessive democracy.

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Most Americans Know Nothing About Politics. Nothing.

Even when I try really hard to take into account that most people don't know much about politics, I still overestimate how much they know.

Do they know that Republicans filibuster everything? Nah. Do they know that most Republicans think the election was stolen? Not really. Do they know anything at all about policy issues? Probably not, unless there happens to be one that impinges on their day jobs.

Frankly, for the vast majority of Americans, your best bet is to assume not that they are "low information voters" but that they know nothing about politics. Literally nothing. (Many, of course, know less than nothing because they listen to Fox News and come away with misinformation that makes them mad. They forget about the misinformation quickly, but they don't forget that they're mad.)

No matter how little you think most people know, cut it in half and then cut it in half again. That should get you somewhere close to the truth.

https://jabberwocking.com/most-americans-know-nothing-about-politics-n
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This started out as a good article.

Then it went into fantasyland when it pretended that anybody who watches CNN or MSNBC or reads jabberwocking is any better off than somebody who watches Fox or Newsmax.

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Legal reporter reveals how the Supreme Court 'radically altered' a key part of US law in the dark of night
https://www.alternet.org/2021/04/religious-liberty-supreme-court/?utm_
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Vladeck told Stern, "Friday night was the seventh time this term that the Supreme Court has issued an emergency injunction pending appeal. All seven were in COVID free-exercise cases…. Those who like these decisions are getting increasingly comfortable with the court flouting and defying its own internal standards and rules for this kind of relief simply because they like the result. In the process, they attack critics for being insufficiently sensitive to religious liberty. And that's a preposterous claim."




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Trump finally jumps the shark

https://theweek.com/articles/976786/trump-finally-jumps-shark

When Trump ran for president in 2016, he bonded with his audiences mainly on their terms, placing himself in their camp, defending and championing them against all the fools and crooks who had turned the country into a "disaster" (his favorite adjective during the general election campaign). Once he'd ascended to the White House and found himself in the position of having to defend himself against charges of collusion with Russia and other misdeeds, Trump's public remarks were much more defensive and focused on himself. But he was also the president, which allowed his fixation on "deep state" antagonists to be transmuted into a battle for Republican survival more generally.

But now? Either Trump is the sorest loser in the history of American democracy — the Big Baby his critics always claimed he was — or else he really did win in a landslide and yet nonetheless allowed himself to be deposed and banished to South Florida while Joe Biden effortlessly took over the White House in a coup. Either way, he looks very small indeed.

Now, none of this means that Trump is going to slink away to hide under a rock — or that Republican Party officials will be able get out from under his thumb anytime soon. Because Trump needs money, big time. And the surest way to get it is to attempt to remain a kingmaker within the party for as long as possible, so his most loyal supporters think it's reasonable to keep clicking the "Donate" button on his website (or just not notice for a good long while that the "autorenewal" button has been prechecked).

So Trump will keep trying to remain relevant — but he will do so, I suspect, with steeply declining returns.

I don't for a minute believe that Trump will be able to manage the launch of his own social media platform. (It would actually be quite difficult and expensive to pull that off, and unlikely to succeed.) Will people even show up to rallies if he tries to hold them? Who wants to listen to an angry old man rant and rave about how he was robbed and outsmarted in 2020 by people he labels as dumb? There's a performative contradiction there that even a populist of Trump's considerable talents is going to have a hell of a job trying to surmount. The most likely outcome is that, with each passing month, he will sound more and more like a petulant crank railing impotently against his enemies, real and imagined.

The great irony here is that Trump has been so successful at remaking the GOP in his own image that the party doesn't really need him anymore. Sure, they'll try to avoid provoking his wrath. But every viable candidate for president in 2024 is going to be following Trump's lead on immigration, trade, and waging a rhetorically ferocious culture war against the left — and most of them will be doing it without Trump's own considerable personal liabilities, including the hatred of a large swath of the electorate.

Put in slightly different terms, the 2020 election results show that Trump has given Republicans a potentially fruitful way forward — but also that he can't be the one to lead the way there because he's a drag on the party. Trump's own dead weight, and not some cockamamie conspiracy, is what accounts for his loss last year despite Republicans doing so well down ballot.

Trump will likely go down in history as a blunt instrument who shattered a staid consensus on the right but who was far too widely loathed and incompetent at governing to deliver the party to the Promised Land himself. That's never been clearer than it is right now. And it's bound to grow clearer still as more broadly appealing politicians try their hands at domesticating Trumpian politics on a national level.

It's too soon to know who is going end up at the head of the GOP. But it's not too soon to know that it's exceedingly unlikely to be Trump.


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Oh... he only now jumped the shark, huh?

Does this mean you're going to stop posting about him every day?

I doubt it.



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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Oh... he only now jumped the shark, huh?

Does this mean you're going to stop posting about him every day?

I doubt it.

Did you not notice that Trump is still crazy as hell and yet GOP politicians won't put a straitjacket on him and lock him in a soundproof room with padded walls? The GOP is still taking marching orders from Trump when he earned being spit in his face, kicked in his fat ass, and dumped in the garbage bin of history. And that is just over Trump giving Kim of North Korea respect by meeting with Kim! Twice! What a time-wasting idiot Trump is when he does "International Diplomacy", Trump style! But Trump and Kim had fun, and that's what being President is all about -- fun, fun, fun, and no work done.
https://www.npr.org/2019/06/30/737365074/trump-to-meet-kim-jong-un-at-
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Tuesday, April 13, 2021 10:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Oh... he only now jumped the shark, huh?

Does this mean you're going to stop posting about him every day?

I doubt it.

Did you not notice that Trump is still crazy as hell and yet GOP politicians won't put a straitjacket on him and lock him in a soundproof room with padded walls? The GOP is still taking marching orders from Trump when he earned being spit in his face, kicked in his fat ass, and dumped in the garbage bin of history.



Yup. Sounds like your article was full of shit.



You're never going to stop talking about Trump, dude.

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You're never going to stop talking about Trump, dude.

I talk about Nixon, too, and he wasn't even impeached once, let alone twice. A big plus for Nixon, and big minus for Trump, was when Nixon got caught cheating on his taxes. Nixon actually paid back what he owed, which equaled half of his net-worth, rather than run to the Supreme Court as Trump has done.
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Nixon's greatest concern with the IRS audit and the JCT investigation was that fraud might be charged, thereby imposing a civil fraud penalty of 50 percent of the tax deficiency, increasing his chances for impeachment. Amazingly, fraud was not mentioned either by the IRS or by the committee report. However, the House Judiciary Committee, which was considering the impeachment of Nixon, stated that it might investigate the possibility of tax fraud.

By agreeing to pay $465,000, Nixon's wealth was reduced to half of the previous $988,522. One White House spokesman stated that Nixon was "almost totally wiped out" by the agreement (WSJ, Apr. 5, 1974). However, Nixon was fortunate to have had $433,000 in liquid assets to pay the tax deficiency.

from President Nixon's Troublesome Tax Returns
http://www.taxhistory.org/thp/readings.nsf/cf7c9c870b600b9585256df8007
5b9dd/f8723e3606cd79ec85256ff6006f82c3?OpenDocument


Congressional Republicans were very different in 1970 than today. Nixon's tax returns were audited by Republicans in Congress who would not tolerate even a hint of cheating by a President.

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Why Republicans are Betting the Farm on Attacking Transgender People
https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/04/12/why-republicans-are-betting-th
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The GOP’s latest culture war is focused squarely on the nation’s transgender community, specifically transgender youth. It isn’t a new war, simply a new front in an old war that can be traced back to the famed “bathroom bills” from some years ago that spread across dozens of states. Those bills were introduced in tandem with former President Donald Trump’s targeted federal government-led attacks that included the overturning of anti-discrimination statutes protecting trans people and an outright transgender ban in the U.S. military.

Now, in the wake of Trump’s humiliating electoral loss, Republicans have accelerated the state-level attacks to a breathtaking level. In just the first three months of 2021, GOP-led state legislatures introduced more bills aimed at transgender people, especially youth, than they did over the entire previous year. There are now more than 80 bills introduced this year alone that, according to Alphonso David, president of the Human Rights Campaign, “are not addressing any real problem, and they’re not being requested by constituents. Rather, this effort is being driven by national far-right organizations attempting to score political points by sowing fear and hate.”



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Fox News anchors accused of conspiring behind the scenes with Trump attorneys as they face massive lawsuit over election lies
https://www.rawstory.com/smartmatic-lawsuit-fox-news/

"The Fox anchors were not innocent bystanders and the disinformation generated during their interviews was no accident," the motion claims. "Prior to the interviews, the Fox anchors decided to join forces with Giuliani and Powell to disseminate disinformation about Smartmatic. The Fox anchors knew what Giuliani and Powell would say on their shows, asked questions to elicit lies about Smartmatic, and endorsed Giuliani's and Powell's investigation. The Fox anchors added their own defamatory comments about Smartmatic for good measure. This was a scripted performance by the Fox anchors, Giuliani, and Powell to defame and disparage Smartmatic for personal gain."



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The Internal Revenue Service could be missing out on collecting approximately $1 trillion every year from taxpayers who are not paying their full tab, Charles Rettig, the tax collector agency’s commissioner, said Tuesday.

“It would not be outlandish to believe that the actual tax gap could approach and possibly exceed $1 trillion dollars,” Rettig told members of the Senate Finance Committee.

The figure is massive by itself, but Rettig’s own estimation during Tuesday’s hearing of the federal tax gap — which is the difference between taxes legally owed and taxes actually paid — was a drastic upward revision of the IRS’s own projections.

Rettig said the agency’s existing estimates of the tax gap read like they’re “from the dark ages.” The most recent official IRS estimates said that every year from 2011 and 2013, taxpayers failed to pay $441 billion in tax money. IRS compliance efforts and late payments narrowed that annual divide to $381 billion.

A new study looked into tax evasion and pointed a finger at the wealthiest taxpayers.

The IRS is performing fewer complex audits to recoup cash. In the last 10 years, the IRS is down 17,000 members in its enforcement wing alone, Rettig said. “That has to have an effect, and it does,” he told lawmakers.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tax-cheats-cost-the-u-s-far-more-tha
n-previously-thought-and-cryptocurrency-is-part-of-the-problem-irs-commissioner-says-11618340252


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Trump will be fine.



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Trump will be fine.

The IRS could collect $1 trillion more taxes per year by doing only one thing: jailing Trump for tax evasion. Once that happens, other tax cheaters would start complying, but so long as Trump can effortlessly defy the IRS the cheaters will feel as free as Trump to cheat:

The Internal Revenue Service could be missing out on collecting approximately $1 trillion every year from taxpayers who are not paying their full tab, Charles Rettig, the tax collector agency’s commissioner, said Tuesday. A new study looked into tax evasion and pointed a finger at the wealthiest taxpayers.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tax-cheats-cost-the-u-s-far-more-tha
n-previously-thought-and-cryptocurrency-is-part-of-the-problem-irs-commissioner-says-11618340252


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Trump will be fine.



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Trump will be fine.

Trump is fine because the IRS budget for 2021 is Trump's budget.

Funding the IRS Pays Off: Preventing Tax Dodging by Wealthy Filers Is the First Step to Fixing Our Tax Code
https://budget.house.gov/publications/report/funding-irs

"the IRS failed to audit more than 897,000 wealthy individuals who skipped out on filing tax returns over a three-year period"

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Trump will be fine.



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Trump will be fine.

Trump will be fine for the reasons mentioned in three paragraphs from Democrats on the House Budget Committee:

After Republicans took control of the U.S. House of Representatives in 1995 and Newt Gingrich became Speaker of the House, calls to abolish the IRS became a mainstream Republican talking point. Soon after, the Republican-controlled Senate held a series of dramatic hearings on alleged abuses by the IRS (later debunked by the Government Accountability Office), followed by a new law limiting the agency’s collection powers and independence.

Not surprisingly, IRS audits and collections sunk to historic lows. When Republicans took the House majority again in 2011, they pushed to cut the IRS’s budget, citing the agency’s implementation of the Affordable Care Act. Soon, Republicans targeted the IRS again by holding hearings and launching investigations. Despite the Obama Administration’s efforts to secure sufficient funding for the IRS, Republican lawmakers continued to punish the agency and push severe funding cuts. For example, House Republicans recommended cutting the President’s budget request for the agency by 30 percent for fiscal year 2014.

Since 2010, the IRS’s budget and staff have been steadily cut in real terms, leaving the agency understaffed, constrained, and operating with archaic information technology (IT) systems. From 2010 through 2018, IRS funding was cut, resulting in the elimination of 22 percent of its staff. These cuts have gutted the agency; depleted its well-trained, specialized staff charged with auditing corporations and wealthy taxpayers; and weakened its ability to carry out emergency tasks. It follows that Trump will be fine.

https://budget.house.gov/publications/report/funding-irs

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


This thread was meant to be just one giant circle jerk for desperate Dems.

Eeeeeww



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THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This thread was meant to be just one giant circle jerk for desperate Dems.

Eeeeeww

I don't see why a Russian troll would even care.

Oh, wait. You're paid to lie.



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'That is not how it works': Jen Psaki dismantles conservative reporter's factually incorrect question
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Yet another trumptard fake journalist gets owned. She's good.



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Welcome to Day 85.

Today in one sentence: The U.S. Capitol Police inspector general found that the agency’s leaders failed to adequately prepare for the Jan. 6 attack despite being warned that “Congress itself is the target”; hundreds of U.S. corporations and executives signed on to a statement opposing “any discriminatory legislation” that would make it harder for people to vote; the former Minnesota police officer who shot and killed Daunte Wright during a traffic stop was arrested and charged with second-degree manslaughter; and Matt Gaetz's associate has been cooperating with the Justice Department since last year.

The U.S. Capitol Police inspector general found that the agency’s leaders failed to adequately prepare for the Jan. 6 attack despite being warned that “Congress itself is the target.” In a 104-page document, Michael Bolton criticized the way the Capitol Police prepared for and responded to the violence, finding that “heavier, less-lethal weapons,” including stun grenades, “were not used that day because of orders from leadership.” The IG report also found that some police equipment was at least 20 years old, including riot shields that shattered on impact. (New York Times / Wall Street Journal / Reuters / NPR) https://www.npr.org/2021/04/13/987047876/report-capitol-police-leaders
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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

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This thread was meant to be just one giant circle jerk for desperate Dems.

Eeeeeww



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THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

But in an act of extreme irony (that I notice every time this thread comes up) "A thread for Democrats Only" was started by THUGGR, a self-described non-democrat. The meaning of *only* is so hard to figure out!


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JAYNEZTOWN


What happens if you mixed a disgusting Cretin and a perverted Grinch you get Vitaliy Grechin?

Some Degenerate guy who previously posed with Hillary Clinton and donated to Barack Obama, took a bunch of women to the islamic Arabic Dubai, the most populous area in the United Arab Emirates...I'm not sure these women might have been actual whores, most are from Ukraine, then he got them to pose naked flashing their boobs and ass like whores or instagram, snapchat, facebook prostitutes ... all the muslim neighbors see what is going on in this public balcony photoshoot...the scandal goes viral on scoail media
Moslem Cops are called, all the women are arrested, probably going to be jailed, raped, beaten in some rich islam nation, the guy is Ukraine and US Democrat connected, he is behind 'the naked Dubai balcony photoshoot'

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14568105/dubai-photoshoot-hillary-clinto
n-obama-donation
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https://nypost.com/2021/04/14/model-detained-in-dubai-claims-she-was-f
orced-to-pose-nude
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https://www.rt.com/russia/520346-grechin-ukrainian-dubai-arrest/

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/naked-dubai-photo-shoot-model-cla
ims-she-was-forced-to-pose-in-public-by-idiot-organiser/BPUCE4L5GAPQWZRVOSILURF2NY
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Trump will be fine.

Trump...



Trump will be fine.



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Imagine the hypocrisy of a government who will allow businesses to card people to get a job or buy groceries, but won't card people to vote in elections and gives millions of non-citizens free money from taxpayers.

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