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Wednesday, March 21, 2018 6:01 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
A stupid phone was not available the last time I hot a new number.
I avoid google and amazon. What do you use them for? What do you require of them?



Wow... really no stupid phones at all anymore?

It's been a while since I had a cell phone at all, but if things haven't advanced THAT far yet, you could always go on ebay and buy a used flip phone and just take the SIM card from your smartphone and put it in the flip phone.


Personally, I use Google quite a bit. Just the search engine on my home computers. But it has quite a lot of great uses to it. Amazon is probably where I do a majority of my purchasing. I don't buy much, but being on my budget I'm always looking for the best price, and usually Amazon is it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 21, 2018 6:06 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
A stupid phone was not available the last time I hot a new number.
I avoid google and amazon. What do you use them for? What do you require of them?

Wow... really no stupid phones at all anymore?

It's been a while since I had a cell phone at all, but if things haven't advanced THAT far yet, you could always go on ebay and buy a used flip phone and just take the SIM card from your smartphone and put it in the flip phone.


Personally, I use Google quite a bit. Just the search engine on my home computers. But it has quite a lot of great uses to it. Amazon is probably where I do a majority of my purchasing. I don't buy much, but being on my budget I'm always looking for the best price, and usually Amazon is it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

What's the diff between eBay and amazon?

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Thursday, March 22, 2018 2:40 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Amazon is more like a store, where they have deep shelves of stocked items you can, fairly reliably, find over time.




So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Thursday, March 22, 2018 6:56 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


After many years of limited success against long-term homelessness, Finland decided to adopt the US 'Housing First' model on a national scale.

www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2018/0321/Finland-s-homeless-crisis-nea
rly-solved.-How-By-giving-homes-to-all-who-need


MARCH 21, 2018 HELSINKI, FINLAND—As anyone who has visited Europe recently can attest, the scourge of homelessness has reached epidemic proportions.

The only exception to the trend is Finland, according to FEANTSA, the European Federation of National Organizations Working with the Homeless. There, homelessness is, remarkably, on the decline.

Per the latest statistics, the number of homeless people in Finland has declined from a high of 18,000 30 years ago, to approximately 7,000: the latter figure includes some 5,000 persons who are temporarily lodging with friends or relatives. In short, the problem has basically been solved.

At the core of this was a move away from the so-called “staircase model,” whereby a homeless person moved from one social rehabilitation level to another, with an apartment waiting for him or her at the highest step. Instead, Finland opted to give housing to the homeless from the start, nationwide, so as to allow them a stable environment to stabilize their lives.

“Basically, we decided that we wanted to end homelessness, rather than manage it,” says Juha Kaakinen, CEO of the Y-Foundation, which helps provide 16,500 low-cost apartments for the homeless.

To be sure, one of the reasons why Finland has made such strides in resolving its homelessness problem is because successive Finnish governments have made it a national priority. The elimination of homelessness first appeared in the Helsinki government’s program in 1987. Since then virtually every government has devoted significant resources toward this end.

Around 10 years ago, however, observers noticed that although homelessness in general was declining, long-term homelessness was not. A new approach to the problem was called for, along with a new philosophy.

The optimal solution, a group of four experts appointed by the Ministry of the Environment found, was Housing First. “Solving social and health problems is not a prerequisite for arranging housing,” they observed. “Instead, housing is a prerequisite that will also enable solving a homeless person’s other problems.”

The concept behind the new approach was not original; it was already in selective use in the US as part of the Pathways Model pioneered by Dr. Sam Tsemberis in the 1990s to help former psychiatric patients. What was different, and historic, about the Finnish Housing First model was a willingness to enact the model on a nationwide basis.

“We understood, firstly, that if we wanted to eradicate homelessness we had to work in a completely different way,” says Mr. Kaakinen, who acted as secretary for the Finnish experts. “At the same time right from the beginning there was a national consensus that the problem had reached a crisis point. ... We decided as a nation to do something about this.”

Changing course

As a result, in 2008 the Finnish National Program to reduce long-term homelessness was drafted and put into place. Helsinki and nine other Finnish cities committed to the program, with the Ministry of the Environment coordinating its implementation, and local governments and nongovernmental organizations, including the Y-Foundation, joining the team.

One of those goals was to cut the number of long-term homeless in half by producing 1,250 new homes, including supported housing units for tenants with their own leases, and around-the-clock presence of trained caring staff for residents who needed help.

At the same time, the extant network of homeless shelters was phased out. This also involved phasing out the “old way” of thinking about homelessness. “There was some work to be done on attitudes,” concedes Kaakinen. “Some of the people in the NGOs found the idea of unconditional housing hard to accept.” Also some staff had difficulty with not forcing tenants with alcohol or drug problems to go cold turkey before they were given housing.

However the effectiveness of the new model spoke for itself. Across Finland, long-term homelessness fell by 1,345 people, or 35 percent between 2008 and 2015. In some cities it was halved.

“For a long time we dealt with homelessness in the traditional way,” says Sanna Vesikansa, the deputy mayor of Helsinki. “But it’s difficult for people to work on their problems if always in the morning they have to go out in the streets and then come back at night.”

‘A roof over my head no matter what’

The success of the Finnish approach is evident on a visit to Rukkila, a supported housing unit on the outskirts of Helsinki that was taken over by the Y-Foundation in 2011.

Currently 20 people live at Rukkila. Each resident has his own fully equipped, modern apartment. There is also a large communal area where residents can cook meals, watch TV, or just hang out. “One of the things we offer here, besides personal support, is the opportunity to form a community. I think that’s important,” says Emmi Vuorela, who works as project coordinator at Rukkila.

“Some of them have substance abuse problems, or personal issues, and we try to help them with that,” says Ms. Vuorela, who has been working at Rukkila for three years. “Above all, homeless people need stability and content in their lives.”

Residents are allowed to have guests during the day. However, they need to get permission for an overnight guest. “Of course we do hope that residents will think about the guests they are bringing into the community,” adds Vuorela, “especially if they are intoxicated, but ultimately we trust them to decide what is best for them and the community themselves.”

Other than that, there are few if any rules. If residents have drinking or other substance abuse issues, they are encouraged – but not forced – to deal with them. Hopefully, with the aid of the staff, they will rehabilitate themselves.

One such resident, Fernando, who has lived at Rukkila for three years, is in the process of doing just that. “I am dealing with my problems here,” he said. “In the meantime, it’s nice to know that whatever happens I have a roof over my head no matter what.” Eventually Fernando plans on moving out and getting a job, as some of his former neighbors have done.

“There’s nothing better than helping someone move forward with their lives,” says Vuorela. “Here at Rukkila we try to provide a supportive environment in which they can do just that.”

“However we do not push them.” In the meantime, the army of homeless who used to fill Helsinki’s homeless shelters has been disbanded.

Paying for itself?

As far as the not inconsiderable cost of producing the 3,500 units created between 2008 and 2015 – estimated at just under $382 million or $109,142 for each unit – Ms. Vesikansa declares that “the program pays for itself.” As evidence, she points to a case study undertaken by the Tampere University of Technology in 2011. It showed society saved $18,500 per homeless person per year who had received a rental apartment with support, due to the medical and emergency services no longer needed to assist and respond to them. “If anything the cost savings today is higher,” she says.
($109,142 / $18,500 per year = 5.9 years to payback the investment to build housing for the homeless.)

“That doesn’t cover the contribution to the economy from residents who moved on from supported housing and got jobs,” she adds.

“Of course the fact that the program pays for itself is important,” agrees Kaakinen, “but beyond that, from a moral point of view, as a society which cares for all of its citizens, we didn’t think we see an alternative. This, we felt, was the way to go forward. And we did.”

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, March 22, 2018 7:04 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
What's the diff between eBay and amazon?



Sometimes I can't tell if you're joking.


Let's just say that you probably aren't going to find many flip phones on amazon. They sell mostly new products, although you can find people selling used items through them. Ebay is an auction site, although many people do "buy it now" which essentially eliminates the auction part and only sells for a specific price.


If you want a dumb phone, here's one for $1.99 plus $3.75 shipping. You'd have to have a plan with AT&T to use it though.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/AT-T-Flip-Phone/232705759581?hash=item362e581
95d:g:iJ8AAOSw~P9apg7j


If you wanted to buy something like this, make sure that it's a phone that accepts a sim card and it is for the network provider you use. I can help if you have any questions.


......

Here's one for Verizon service. It's an auction starting at .99 cents, but you could just buy it now for $12.99 if you wanted. It's also $5.00 shipping. It comes with a car charger, which is nice because I'd imagine it would be hard to find one that works with the older proprietary phones these days.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Verizon-Flip-Phone-Average-Used-Condition/263
555548109?hash=item3d5d2283cd:g:5DgAAOSwk6larXyD


EDIT: Yanno what... I'd ask the seller a few questions on that one before you bought it. The listing says it's a Verizon phone, but under "Network" in the specs it says AT&T. Dumb mistake, but you don't want to pay $18 for something that won't work on your network.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, March 22, 2018 9:11 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


The Real Enemy of the White Working Class Is … the White Middle Class
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/03/the-real-enemy-of-the-white-wor
king-class-is-the-white-middle-class
/

Middle and upper-middle-class whites support desegregation, but only because they have enough money to flee the city for the suburbs, where they live in white communities and send their kids to private white schools. Needless to say, working-class whites are stuck in the city as their neighborhoods become steadily blacker.

Because of this, working-class whites feel a deep sense of betrayal. They are angry not just—or even mostly—at blacks, but at affluent whites. These folks have supported segregation for decades, and by voting with their feet they make it plain that they still support it. But they’re willing to throw their fellow working-class whites under the bus for the sake of buying peace for the business community.

This is the root cause of working-class white resentment toward—well, blacks, of course. But if you dig down, their real resentment is toward the political establishment that, in their view, cynically sold them out.

This is a big part of why working-class whites are always on the lookout for politicians who rail against the establishment. Or the swamp. Or the elites. Or the deep state. Sure, they prefer Republicans, who are opposed to affirmative action and callout culture and political correctness. But when push comes to shove, what they really want is someone who will take a wrecking ball to the establishment that screwed them. That’s why some of them thought well of Bernie Sanders: they might not have liked his tolerant racial politics, but that was secondary to the fact that he wanted to bust up elite control of the country. That’s what they want too.

Donald Trump, of course, appealed to them even more: he also wanted to bust up the elites and he had the right racial politics. So they put him in the White House.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, March 22, 2018 10:46 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


On Thursday Trump tweeted: "Crazy Joe Biden is trying to act like a tough guy. Actually, he is weak, both mentally and physically, and yet he threatens me, for the second time, with physical assault. He doesn't know me, but he would go down fast and hard, crying all the way. Don't threaten people Joe!"

That tweet came in response to comments former Vice President Joe Biden made in a speech in Florida on Tuesday in which he said of Trump: "They asked me would I like to debate this gentleman, and I said no. I said, 'If we were in high school, I'd take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him."

That Trump decided to respond to Biden -- and that he responded the way he did -- shouldn't be dismissed. It provides -- as almost all of Trump's tweets do -- a window into who he is, how he sees the world and what being the President of the United States actually means to him.

Here are three thoughts on what Trump's tweet tells us about him.

3) Trump is very, very frustrated
www.cnn.com/2018/03/22/politics/donald-trump-joe-biden-tweet/index.htm
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The increasing pressure is crushing down on Trump -- from a series of civil lawsuits brought by women alleging affairs or unwanted groping, from special counsel Bob Mueller's probe into Russian election meddling, from the lack of close confidantes left to him in the White House.

When you have that much pressure on you, you need to find ways to blow off steam -- or risk exploding. Twitter has long been Trump's pressure release valve, the way he feels he can communicate in real time with the people who truly "get" him -- his followers.

Tweets like the one proposing a fight with Biden are indicative of a man who feels trapped by his office and hemmed in by a series of issues that he has little to no control over.

Twitter is what he can control, where he can be himself. I'd expect more tweets like this rather than less as the Mueller probe goes on -- and interviews with Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels air over the next few days.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, March 22, 2018 1:19 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


The partisan gender gap among millennials is staggeringly large

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/22/17146534/millennial-gender-g
ap-partisan


Women born after 1980 favor Democrats 70-23.

Women are more Democratic than men, and younger voters are more Democratic than older ones. The former has been true for decades, and the latter is a trend that’s at least 10 or 15 years old. But a new Pew survey using a huge sample to allow for insight into demographic details shows that the intersection of these two trends is staggeringly large.

Among millennials, which Pew identifies as people born between 1981 and 1996, men lean toward Democrats by 8 percentage points — far and away a bigger tilt toward Democrats than older cohorts of men. But millennial women favor Democrats by a staggeringly large 70-23 margin.

That means that even as millennial men are the most Democratic-friendly cohort of men, the millennial gender gap is also by far the largest of any cohort. In the Silent Generation, women are 8 points more favorable to Democrats. Among boomers, it’s 10 points. Among Gen-Xers, it’s 11 points, and among millennials, it’s 21 points.

That’s driven by what seems to be an explosive change in millennial women’s political sentiments over just the past two or three years even while most other groups’ views have stayed relatively stable.

Young people are, of course, notoriously fickle midterm voters. So how much this shift in sentiment is translated into a shift in actual policy outcomes will hinge, critically, on whether this big bloc of younger women shows up in November. But it’s fair to say that while a certain amount of gender polarization is nothing new to the political system, the scale that we are now witnessing among younger people is unprecedented.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, March 22, 2018 9:28 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Friday, March 23, 2018 8:23 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


America: Land of the Lawless
www.laphamsquarterly.org/rule-law/land-lawless

1) Let’s start with systematic violations of the law that escape enforcement year after year. First, the health care industry, in which at least 10 percent of what our country spends goes down the drain from computerized billing fraud and abuse. According to Harvard professor Malcolm Sparrow, author of License to Steal, this 10 percent figure represents the minimum amount. Applying it to this year would produce a fraud amount of about $350 billion. The fraud is rarely prosecuted.

In 1992 the Government Accountability Office estimated a comparable 10 percent drain, but Congress continued to starve the enforcement budgets of the Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Justice. These agencies recover less than $3 billion of what’s defrauded from Medicaid, Medicare, and Tricare military insurance each year—appallingly low, given that commercial crooks defraud an estimated $60 billion from Medicare alone.

2) Also under-reported are the crimes that take place in the lawless zone of wage theft. A recent report by the Economic Policy Institute—which draws on surveys of state labor departments and attorneys general as well as data from the Department of Labor and class-action settlements—estimates $50 billion a year is stolen from mostly low-income workers, while terribly weak enforcement budgets and priorities led to the recovery of only some $2 billion in 2015 and 2016 combined.

The EPI examines wage theft through minimum-wage violations, overtime violations, tipping violations, and employee misclassifications. On average, it finds that workers suffering minimum-wage violations are cheated out of $64 a week, or $3,300 annually—all while the federal minimum wage has been frozen at $7.25 an hour. Such theft is clearly illegal. But in 2016, the EPI reports, the Department of Labor’s Wage and Hour Division had only a thousand investigators responsible for 7.3 million workplaces. And workers rarely file private claims anyway, as they are often forced to sign away their right to go to court in order to have a job in the first place.

Aside from the rare case of stolen-wage restitution, employers are almost never prosecuted under criminal laws.

3) As Congress cut the IRS budget over the past decade (with inflation adjusted, down more than 25 percent from 2009), the agency has been increasingly unable to enforce the law against what it says is $400 billion a year in “uncollected taxes”—a sum that does not even include huge “avoided taxes” that flow from corporate lobbyists driving their agendas through a greased Congress. The result of this, says Robert McIntyre, who was the director of Citizens for Tax Justice for many years, is that citizen taxpayers have to pay more taxes and receive fewer public services or else incur larger government deficits.

More at www.laphamsquarterly.org/rule-law/land-lawless

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, March 23, 2018 8:25 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


We need to make stock buybacks illegal, as they were before 1982.

http://prospect.org/article/buyback-boondoggle-beggaring-america

Republicans branded their corporate tax cut as a way to make American corporations more profitable so they’d invest in more and better jobs. But they’re buying back their stock instead. Now that the new corporate tax cut is pumping up profits, buybacks are on track to hit a record $800 billion this year.

For years, corporations have spent most of their profits on buying back their own shares of stock, instead of increasing the wages of their employees, whose hard work creates these profits.

Stock buybacks are artificial efforts to interfere in the so-called “free market” to prop up stock prices. Because they create an artificial demand, they force stock prices above their natural level. With fewer shares in circulation, each remaining share is worth more.

Buybacks don’t create more or better jobs. Money spent on buybacks isn’t invested in new equipment, or research and development, or factories, or wages. It doesn’t build a company. Buybacks don’t grow the American economy. So why are buybacks so popular with corporate CEOs?

Because a bigger and bigger portion of CEO pay has been in stocks and stock options, rather than cash. So when share prices go up, executives reap a bonanza. The value of their pay from previous years also rises—in what amounts to a retroactive (and off the books) pay increase on top of their already outrageous compensation.

Buybacks were illegal until Ronald Reagan made them legal in 1982, just about the same time wages stopped rising for most Americans. Before then, a bigger percentage of corporate profits went into increasing workers’ wages.

But since corporations were already using their profits for stock buybacks, there is no reason to believe they’ll use their tax windfall on anything other than more stock buybacks.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, March 23, 2018 12:43 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Yesterday:

The American People Win as President Donald J. Trump’s Priorities are Funded
— Budget & Spending Issued on: March 22, 2018
www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/american-people-win-president-
donald-j-trumps-priorities-funded
/

Today:

Trump threatens to veto omnibus bill because it does not address DACA recipients, fully fund border wall
www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2018/03/23/trump-threaten
s-to-veto-omnibus-bill-because-it-does-not-address-daca-recipients/?utm_term=.6aa1fe76a168


Trump is an idiot. The bill passed yesterday, needless to say, was the same bill as the day before and the day before that.

The good news, I suppose, is that this is probably nothing more than Trump’s love of drama. He wants Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan to call and beg him to sign the bill. They’ll sigh, make the call, and I suppose Trump will then sign it.

Yes, he signed. Trump laboriously read off all the various military toys that have been funded by this bill. Helicopters, ships, planes, tanks: you name it, Trump is going to build it.


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Friday, March 23, 2018 4:16 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
The partisan gender gap among millennials is staggeringly large

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/22/17146534/millennial-gender-g
ap-partisan


Women born after 1980 favor Democrats 70-23.

Women are more Democratic than men, and younger voters are more Democratic than older ones. The former has been true for decades, and the latter is a trend that’s at least 10 or 15 years old. But a new Pew survey using a huge sample to allow for insight into demographic details shows that the intersection of these two trends is staggeringly large.

Among millennials, which Pew identifies as people born between 1981 and 1996, men lean toward Democrats by 8 percentage points — far and away a bigger tilt toward Democrats than older cohorts of men. But millennial women favor Democrats by a staggeringly large 70-23 margin.

That means that even as millennial men are the most Democratic-friendly cohort of men, the millennial gender gap is also by far the largest of any cohort. In the Silent Generation, women are 8 points more favorable to Democrats. Among boomers, it’s 10 points. Among Gen-Xers, it’s 11 points, and among millennials, it’s 21 points.

That’s driven by what seems to be an explosive change in millennial women’s political sentiments over just the past two or three years even while most other groups’ views have stayed relatively stable.

Young people are, of course, notoriously fickle midterm voters. So how much this shift in sentiment is translated into a shift in actual policy outcomes will hinge, critically, on whether this big bloc of younger women shows up in November. But it’s fair to say that while a certain amount of gender polarization is nothing new to the political system, the scale that we are now witnessing among younger people is unprecedented.

This is shocking, just shocking, I say.
Rumor has it the Sun rises in the East, according to men. Still, the Americans who believe the Sun rises in any direction other than the East remain overwhelmingly female.

The youngest adults have always been, by definition, Liberals. The more mature, more educated, less gullible, more experienced, more senior, more wise, have always been, by definition, Conservatives. As the young indoctrinated gullibles become mature and wiser, they open their eyes and become Conservative.
Shocking news!
Does this mean that tomorrow the Sun will also rise in the East, at least for Conservative men? How can this be? Shirley that is an unfounded prediction! It's not like it has been a reliable occurance for generations, has it?

Only those who fail to follow or conceive history would be surprised. Oh, that's right, the target audience for that story IS the unthinking, the drones, the uncomprehending, which by definition are the Liberals and other Democraps.

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Friday, March 23, 2018 9:23 PM

JO753

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
After many years of limited success against long-term homelessness, Finland decided to adopt the US 'Housing First' model on a national scale.



Houzing to solv the homeless problem? hqd u xunk?

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Friday, March 23, 2018 9:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
After many years of limited success against long-term homelessness, Finland decided to adopt the US 'Housing First' model on a national scale.



Houzing to solv the homeless problem? hqd u xunk?

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http://www.7532020.com




hqd u xunk?

Having a hard time reading that sentence, J0.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, March 24, 2018 8:45 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
After many years of limited success against long-term homelessness, Finland decided to adopt the US 'Housing First' model on a national scale.



Houzing to solv the homeless problem? hqd u xunk?

A Republican would exclude it as a solution, insisting that if only the homeless person would do this or that thing, whatever the first thing pops into the Republican's head, the problem would go away.

In Finland, they put a value on everyone and the penniless homeless are worth spending $$109,142 to build them a comfortable living space with a bathroom and a shared kitchen. The $109,000 is paid back to Finland in 6 years because Finnish government has reduced costs for police, courts, prison, social services, emergency room visits when the homeless have a permanent address.

Going in the opposite direction from Finland, in America, their bank account determines an American’s value. Since the homeless Americans don’t have money in the bank, they are not worth helping if it will cost $109,000.

Americans have been cruel to the homeless, even killing them, for centuries. Why change this tradition? Why buy the homeless a house? It can’t be done with taxes because Republicans would be upset by government helping the worthless homeless. Leave the homeless to the charities, not to the merciless local governments.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States#Histor
ical_background


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Unkl Skam providez homez for the homeless who earn it by committing a felony.

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www.vox.com/2018/3/25/17162622/stormy-daniels-60-minutes-michael-avena
tti-abuse-power-bullying


Stormy Daniels: I was in a parking lot, going to a fitness class with my infant daughter. T-- taking, you know, the seats facing backwards in the backseat, diaper bag, you know, gettin’ all the stuff out. And a guy walked up on me and said to me, “Leave Trump alone. Forget the story.” And then he leaned around and looked at my daughter and said, “That’s a beautiful little girl. It’d be a shame if something happened to her mom.” And then he was gone.

Anderson Cooper: You took it as a direct threat?

Stormy Daniels: Absolutely.

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"Let’s look at the fact that there is an issue around how much we are paying — and again, this gets back to the economic cost — it costs us about $33,000 a year to lock somebody up. In California it costs about $75,000 a year," U.S. Sen. Kamala Harris said on July 18, 2017.

www.politifact.com/california/statements/2017/aug/09/kamala-harris/doe
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After many years of limited success against long-term homelessness, Finland decided to adopt the US 'Housing First' model on a national scale.

Houzing to solv the homeless problem? hqd u xunk?

A Republican would exclude it as a solution, insisting that if only the homeless person would do this or that thing, whatever the first thing pops into the Republican's head, the problem would go away.

In Finland, they put a value on everyone and the penniless homeless are worth spending $$109,142 to build them a comfortable living space with a bathroom and a shared kitchen. The $109,000 is paid back to Finland in 6 years because Finnish government has reduced costs for police, courts, prison, social services, emergency room visits when the homeless have a permanent address.

Going in the opposite direction from Finland, in America, their bank account determines an American’s value. Since the homeless Americans don’t have money in the bank, they are not worth helping if it will cost $109,000.

Americans have been cruel to the homeless, even killing them, for centuries. Why change this tradition? Why buy the homeless a house? It can’t be done with taxes because Republicans would be upset by government helping the worthless homeless. Leave the homeless to the charities, not to the merciless local governments.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States#Histor
ical_background


You claim there is a savings due to the factor of "permanent address" - but that would not cause savings, and is not stated in the story.
From what I read, the savings comes from the centralized community, and the round-thr-clock care. The trained care negates the need for unnecessary emergency medical/police, and the whole group at the same address instead of dozens of dispersed locations, that seems to be where the saving lie.

Focusing on those elements, simulating a more independent and active version of "retirement home" could really be productive across many nations.

If it is shown to save the community money, I would expect many Republicans would agree with it. The ideas throwing away good money on the worthless are the ones Democraps will support - any excuse to waste Government funds.

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

You claim there is a savings due to the factor of "permanent address" - but that would not cause savings, and is not stated in the story.

From what I read, the savings comes from the centralized community, and the round-thr-clock care. The trained care negates the need for unnecessary emergency medical/police, and the whole group at the same address instead of dozens of dispersed locations, that seems to be where the saving lie.

Focusing on those elements, simulating a more independent and active version of "retirement home" could really be productive across many nations.

If it is shown to save the community money, I would expect many Republicans would agree with it. The ideas throwing away good money on the worthless are the ones Democraps will support - any excuse to waste Government funds.

You wrote: "If it is shown to save the community money, I would expect many Republicans would agree with it." You are too late, because it has already been shown to be true and it made no goddamn difference to the GOP.

Republicans strongly believe that no one has a right to a government benefit unless they have proved themselves to be deserving and worthy. Spending money on people who are NOT deserving and NOT worthy is something Republicans will NOT do, even if it would save money. Their hearts are opposed to the idea, calling the approach "public stupidity" rather than "public policy". But there is evidence that Housing First does work and does save money, just no evidence that any Republicans will ever support the idea once they understand what it is. It must be something in the GOP's DNA. https://endhomelessness.org/

http://endhomelessness.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/housing-first-fa
ct-sheet.pdf


Permanent supportive housing has been found to be cost efficient. Providing access to housing generally results in cost savings for communities because housed people are less likely to use emergency services, including hospitals, jails, and emergency shelter, than those who are homeless.

One study found an average cost savings on emergency services of $31,545 per person housed in a Housing First program over the course of two years. Another study showed that a Housing First program could cost up to $23,000 less per consumer per year than a shelter program.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_First

Example of how a Republican would run a homeless program. Hopefully, you'd see how this program is designed to exclude people who are not worthy enough to be helped: Back on My Feet, a nonprofit which challenges homeless individuals to run over a 30-day period to boost self esteem and create a support network. Once they fulfill the requirement, workforce training and house support assistance are provided. (if you can't run, you get nothing because you are a worthless loser)
www.csmonitor.com/World/Making-a-difference/2018/0326/She-gives-a-sens
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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
You claim there is a savings due to the factor of "permanent address" - but that would not cause savings, and is not stated in the story.

From what I read, the savings comes from the centralized community, and the round-thr-clock care. The trained care negates the need for unnecessary emergency medical/police, and the whole group at the same address instead of dozens of dispersed locations, that seems to be where the saving lie.

Focusing on those elements, simulating a more independent and active version of "retirement home" could really be productive across many nations.

If it is shown to save the community money, I would expect many Republicans would agree with it. The ideas throwing away good money on the worthless are the ones Democraps will support - any excuse to waste Government funds.

You wrote: "If it is shown to save the community money, I would expect many Republicans would agree with it." You are too late, because it has already been shown to be true and it made no goddamn difference to the GOP.

Republicans strongly believe that no one has a right to a government benefit unless they have proved themselves to be deserving and worthy. Spending money on people who are NOT deserving and NOT worthy is something Republicans will NOT do, even if it would save money. Their hearts are opposed to the idea, calling the approach "public stupidity" rather than "public policy". But there is evidence that Housing First does work and does save money, just no evidence that any Republicans will ever support the idea once they understand what it is. It must be something in the GOP's DNA. https://endhomelessness.org/

http://endhomelessness.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/housing-first-fa
ct-sheet.pdf


Permanent supportive housing has been found to be cost efficient. Providing access to housing generally results in cost savings for communities because housed people are less likely to use emergency services, including hospitals, jails, and emergency shelter, than those who are homeless.

One study found an average cost savings on emergency services of $31,545 per person housed in a Housing First program over the course of two years. Another study showed that a Housing First program could cost up to $23,000 less per consumer per year than a shelter program.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_First

Example of how a Republican would run a homeless program. Hopefully, you'd see how this program is designed to exclude people who are not worthy enough to be helped: Back on My Feet, a nonprofit which challenges homeless individuals to run over a 30-day period to boost self esteem and create a support network. Once they fulfill the requirement, workforce training and house support assistance are provided. (if you can't run, you get nothing because you are a worthless loser)
www.csmonitor.com/World/Making-a-difference/2018/0326/She-gives-a-sens
e-of-community-and-purpose-to-homeless-through-a-running-club

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Not sure if you are intentionally avoiding my point. Perhaps your hatred of sensible Republicans is fogging your viewing device.

You have shown no indication that US Models of homeless housing would have less cost than none. US models seem to have dispersed addresses instead of centralized address/community.
Your only claim of savings is for one wasteful spending spree costing less or more than a different wasteful spending spree, both with equal lack of benefit.

A saving of $16,000 per year while wastefully spending $109,000 per year does not equal a cost savings.

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If you meet the requirements ( slightly to the right, middle and liberal ) and you have an interest in starting a discussion say so.



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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Not sure if you are intentionally avoiding my point. Perhaps your hatred of sensible Republicans is fogging your viewing device.

You have shown no indication that US Models of homeless housing would have less cost than none. US models seem to have dispersed addresses instead of centralized address/community.
Your only claim of savings is for one wasteful spending spree costing less or more than a different wasteful spending spree, both with equal lack of benefit.

A saving of $16,000 per year while wastefully spending $109,000 per year does not equal a cost savings.

The cost is NOT $109,000 per year per person. The cost is $109,000, for one time only, to build the shelter. And the shelter can be reused if the homeless person gets a job and is ambitious enough to move out. I noticed a character issue or a personality issue with Republicans at fireflyfans.net. The Republicans don't try to understand how something works. That's why JewelStaiteFan sees a $109,000 per year cost rather than a one-time only $109,000 investment. You aren't even trying before you launch into writing: "Perhaps your hatred of sensible Republicans is fogging your viewing device." Driving an idea into the head of a Republican is like driving on a dirt road that has mud a foot deep. The wheels spin and the idea gets stuck. Forward progress requires me to get dirty and push the idea real hard, through mile after mile of mud. I just don't have the energy to do that for Republicans. It is easier to let them stay stuck while I drive around them in my Caterpillar, waving my hat. Good luck to you, JewelStaiteFan, you old stuck-in-the-mud!

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www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/03/26/despite-porn-sta
rs-and-playboy-models-white-evangelicals-arent-rejecting-trump-this-is-why/?utm_term=.d2d6690f91aa


Why are white Christians sticking so closely to Trump, despite these claims of sexual indiscretions? And why are religious individuals and groups that previously decried sexual impropriety among political leaders suddenly willing to give Trump a “mulligan” on his infidelity?

Our new study points to a different answer than others have offered. Voters’ religious tenets aren’t actually what’s behind Trump support; rather, it’s Christian nationalism — their view of the United States as a fundamentally Christian nation.

Here’s how we did our research

To explore the link between Christian nationalism and Trump support, we examined data from the fifth wave of the Baylor Religion Survey. Fielded soon after the election, from Feb. 2 through March 24, 2017, this survey is a national, random sample of 1,501 American adults with telephones and is weighted to estimate population parameters. This data set is unique in its size, time of collection, and the measures it contains.

To measure Christian nationalism we combined responses to six separate questions that ask whether respondents agree or disagree with these statements:

1) “The federal government should declare the United States a Christian nation”
2) “The federal government should advocate Christian values”
3) “The federal government should enforce strict separation of church and state” (reverse coded)
4) “The federal government should allow the display of religious symbols in public spaces”
5) “The success of the United States is part of God’s plan”
6) “The federal government should allow prayer in public schools”

We also examined many other common explanations of support for Trump, including economic dissatisfaction, an index of attitudes on gender, an index of anti-black prejudice, a measure of respondents’ attitudes toward illegal immigrants and an index of views toward Muslims.

Finally, our statistical models also accounted for religious affiliation, religious beliefs, and a variety of religious behaviors, as well as political measures including party affiliation and political ideology, and sociodemographic predictors including age, gender, race, education, income, marital status, and residential context.

The more someone believed the United States is — and should be — a Christian nation, the more likely they were to vote for Trump

First, Americans who agreed with the various measures of Christian nationalism were much more likely to vote for Trump, even after controlling for a host of other influences, such as political ideology, political party, and other cultural factors proposed as possible explanations of Trump voting.

As you can see in the figure below, even when holding constant a host of other explanations, a Democrat at the higher end of the index was three times more likely to vote for Trump than a Democrat at the lower end of Christian nationalist ideology. For independents, the probability of voting for Trump increased moving across the range of the Christian nationalism scale. Likewise, Republicans scoring low in Christian nationalism were significantly less likely to vote for Trump than those scoring high on the index.

No other religious factor influenced support for or against Trump

Second, we find that Americans’ religious beliefs, behaviors and affiliation did not directly influence voting for Trump. In fact, once Christian nationalism was taken into account, other religious measures had no direct effect on how likely someone was to vote for Trump. These measures of religion mattered only if they made someone more likely to see the United States as a Christian nation.

Antagonism toward Muslims was just as important as Christian nationalism

Finally, the various cultural explanations that other researchers have examined didn’t predict Trump support in our study, with one notable exception: anti-Muslim sentiment. How much a U.S. voter feared Muslims was as significant in predicting who voted for Trump as Christian nationalism.

More at www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/03/26/despite-porn-sta
rs-and-playboy-models-white-evangelicals-arent-rejecting-trump-this-is-why/?utm_term=.d2d6690f91aa


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Stormy Daniels, this is a delicate subject, but do you have pictures of the President’s, shall we say, executive branch?



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Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:29 PM

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Not sure if you are intentionally avoiding my point. Perhaps your hatred of sensible Republicans is fogging your viewing device.

You have shown no indication that US Models of homeless housing would have less cost than none. US models seem to have dispersed addresses instead of centralized address/community.
Your only claim of savings is for one wasteful spending spree costing less or more than a different wasteful spending spree, both with equal lack of benefit.

A saving of $16,000 per year while wastefully spending $109,000 per year does not equal a cost savings.

The cost is NOT $109,000 per year per person. The cost is $109,000, for one time only, to build the shelter. And the shelter can be reused if the homeless person gets a job and is ambitious enough to move out. I noticed a character issue or a personality issue with Republicans at fireflyfans.net. The Republicans don't try to understand how something works. That's why JewelStaiteFan sees a $109,000 per year cost rather than a one-time only $109,000 investment. You aren't even trying before you launch into writing: "Perhaps your hatred of sensible Republicans is fogging your viewing device." Driving an idea into the head of a Republican is like driving on a dirt road that has mud a foot deep. The wheels spin and the idea gets stuck. Forward progress requires me to get dirty and push the idea real hard, through mile after mile of mud. I just don't have the energy to do that for Republicans. It is easier to let them stay stuck while I drive around them in my Caterpillar, waving my hat. Good luck to you, JewelStaiteFan, you old stuck-in-the-mud!

So they will never use utilities? They will never eat? OR, what ARE the annual costs? If these costs are $4,000 per year, the savings of $12,000 per year of Emergency Response Services compared to the $109,000 (in Finland) gives about 9 years return. Will the heating system not need to be replaced? No other aspect will need maintenance - surely the occupant will not perform maintenance?

Is that correct?
And if it is a Government project, it must be built at Union Wages, so the cost becomes $200,000 per unit. right?

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Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:00 AM

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Stormy Daniels, this is a delicate subject, but do you have pictures of the President’s, shall we say, executive branch?



So Anderson Cooper is the new Jerry Springer?
Sounds like Fake News 60 Minutes continues to uphold the finest traditions in yellow smut journalism.
Ho hum.

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So Anderson Cooper is the new Jerry Springer?
Sounds like Fake News 60 Minutes continues to uphold the finest traditions in yellow smut journalism.
Ho hum.

It’s currently fashionable to dismiss interest in the Daniels story as fundamentally reflecting nothing more than a prurient interest in Trump’s sex life. But the possibility of bribery and blackmail of Trump makes it impossible to fully separate out highbrow and lowbrow aspects of the scandal. The problem with the interview was that Cooper didn't ask enough questions because Cooper didn't really want to go to a very dangerous place:

Stormy Daniels’s 60 Minutes interview was, in its way, fascinating. But it ultimately failed to shed light on the two most interesting questions that are dangerous to the whole country:

1) How many other sexual partners has Trump paid hush money to?

2) How many foreign intelligence services know about one or more of those women?

It’s obviously possible that shortly after his third wife gave birth to his fifth child, Donald Trump began the one and only adulterous affair of his life and then had his longtime lawyer/fixer write Daniels a six-figure check to shut her up.

But that would, obviously, fly in the face of our basic understanding of human behavior. It also contradicts Steve Bannon’s remarks in Fire and Fury when he says that another Trump attorney, Marc Kasowitz, “has gotten him out of all kinds of jams. Kasowitz on the campaign — what did we have, a hundred women? Kasowitz took care of all of them.” And the National Enquirer appears to have paid $150,000 to former Playboy centerfold Karen McDougal to try to keep her quiet.

For one reason or another, Trump is clearly quite committed to trying to prevent his former partners from discussing their dalliances in public. He and his associates are willing to put cash on the line for this, threaten massive legal consequences, and perhaps even engage in acts of physical intimidation.

And while that put Daniels under pressure, it means that entities with more power and sophistication than Daniels can use those secrets to put pressure on Trump.

Maybe Daniels and McDougal are the only women he’s ever paid off. Or maybe there are others out there but nobody from Russia or the United Arab Emirates or the Mossad or whoever hates the Japanese steel industry found out about it. Anything’s possible. But I have my doubts.

The president has successfully cultivated an image as so flaky and incompetent that his many baffling decisions on the world stage — from leaking Israeli intelligence to the Russian foreign minister to undercutting his own administration’s policy on Qatar to mysteriously leaving Japan off a list of allies exempted from steel tariffs — generally get written off as evidence that he is flaky and incompetent rather than being actively manipulated by foreign actors.

Precisely because a lot of people would be interested in embarrassing material about the president’s sex life — and because Trump, a very image-conscious person, could be very worried about that interest — the existence of embarrassing secrets could well be a national security crisis for the country.

If Trump is in the habit of making these kinds of payments, we need to have a full account of it. And the sooner, the better.

www.vox.com/2018/3/25/17162750/stormy-daniels-foreign-blackmail-60-min
utes-anderson-cooper-donald-trump


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Sins Trump haz a long history uv bragging about hiz sexual encounterz, wut iz it he iz obviously trying to hide about this wun?

Being a porn star, I prezoom that Stormy haz been with fairly well endowed men in the performans uv her job. Therefor, its likely that Spanky didnt compare favorably to them.

Hiz biggest fear: the public revelation that he haz a little dick. Thats also wut Putin iz dangling over hiz hed!

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Wednesday, March 28, 2018 1:47 PM

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Quote:

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Sins Trump haz a long history uv bragging about hiz sexual encounterz, wut iz it he iz obviously trying to hide about this wun?

Being a porn star, I prezoom that Stormy haz been with fairly well endowed men in the performans uv her job. Therefor, its likely that Spanky didnt compare favorably to them.

Hiz biggest fear: the public revelation that he haz a little dick. Thats also wut Putin iz dangling over hiz hed!




Aside from what Stormy Daniels may know about Trumps sexual habits, I think Trump is more afraid of the NDA unraveling. He has many of those type agreements with other women. If this one folds under scrutiny the dam may break. Add to that that his wife must be seriously considering the validity of her own prenup and leaving. Everyday she looks more and more like a fool for staying. She like the other women is another of Trumps victims.


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lol.

I'm sure she's a victim and didn't know that a powerful and rich man fools around when she married him for the wealth and power.

Stop calling people who aren't victims, victims.

Trump's wife is no more a victim that Clinton's wife was when he was cheating on her all the time.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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lol.

I'm sure she's a victim and didn't know that a powerful and rich man fools around when she married him for the wealth and power.

Stop calling people who aren't victims, victims.

Trump's wife is no more a victim that Clinton's wife was when he was cheating on her all the time.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Cheating on her?
That is a highly biased phrase for saying he serially raped and sexually assaulted women during his marriage.


I had not heard the news that any of the Mrs. Trumps have been attacking, undermining, suing, covering up the women that Trump had sex with.

Regarding public image, I'm sure that most of his voters were aware he has lived in New York, and when he had enough money to live anywhere he still remained in the City of Floozies. He has never been any Teddy Roosevelt. For a Billionaire in Wyoming, Iowa, Kentucky, Alabama, the image might not sustain the revelation of a harem or stable. But the sleaze of NYC was well known before the election. It's not like Democraps offered an alternative.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol.

I'm sure she's a victim and didn't know that a powerful and rich man fools around when she married him for the wealth and power.

Stop calling people who aren't victims, victims.

Trump's wife is no more a victim that Clinton's wife was when he was cheating on her all the time.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Cheating on her?
That is a highly biased phrase for saying he serially raped and sexually assaulted women during his marriage.


I had not heard the news that any of the Mrs. Trumps have been attacking, undermining, suing, covering up the women that Trump had sex with.

Regarding public image, I'm sure that most of his voters were aware he has lived in New York, and when he had enough money to live anywhere he still remained in the City of Floozies. He has never been any Teddy Roosevelt. For a Billionaire in Wyoming, Iowa, Kentucky, Alabama, the image might not sustain the revelation of a harem or stable. But the sleaze of NYC was well known before the election. It's not like Democraps offered an alternative.



I never said that Trump abused women. Oh, you mean Clinton.

I wasn't there to witness either of their extra curricular affairs. It's all hearsay.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Security Clearance Attorney Sean M. Bigley represents clients worldwide in security clearance denials and revocations. He is a former investigator for the U.S. Office of Personnel Management. He writes:

The more extreme the lengths a clearance holder goes to facilitate and hide the infidelity, the greater the security issue. [Trump has gone to the extreme, stopping just short of murdering Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal to keep them quiet.]

I advise clearance holders involved in such situations to begin taking steps to untangle themselves from any ongoing secondary relationship and, most importantly, to immediately cut any financial ties to that individual (e.g. cash payments, purchases of gifts, or expenditures on rent – or acceptance thereof) that show dependency. From a security standpoint, issues surrounding infidelity can sometimes be mitigated with the passage of time and a showing that no dependency (financial, emotional, or otherwise) remains for either party.

https://news.clearancejobs.com/2014/08/28/sex-lies-sf-86-causes-blackm
ail-among-clearance-holders
/

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Wednesday, March 28, 2018 8:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Security Clearance Attorney Sean M. Bigley represents clients worldwide in security clearance denials and revocations. He is a former investigator for the U.S. Office of Personnel Management. He writes:

The more extreme the lengths a clearance holder goes to facilitate and hide the infidelity, the greater the security issue. [Trump has gone to the extreme, stopping just short of murdering Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal to keep them quiet.]

I advise clearance holders involved in such situations to begin taking steps to untangle themselves from any ongoing secondary relationship and, most importantly, to immediately cut any financial ties to that individual (e.g. cash payments, purchases of gifts, or expenditures on rent – or acceptance thereof) that show dependency. From a security standpoint, issues surrounding infidelity can sometimes be mitigated with the passage of time and a showing that no dependency (financial, emotional, or otherwise) remains for either party.

https://news.clearancejobs.com/2014/08/28/sex-lies-sf-86-causes-blackm
ail-among-clearance-holders
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



It should be noted that nowhere in the article linked did Mr. Bigley once say that "Trump has gone to the extreme, stopping just short of murdering Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal to keep them quiet." In fact, the article itself doesn't mention Trump or the position of President at all.

This was just Second putting his own spin on the article in a disingenuous way, with an outlandish claim and no citations.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 28, 2018 11:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Security Clearance Attorney Sean M. Bigley represents clients worldwide in security clearance denials and revocations. He is a former investigator for the U.S. Office of Personnel Management. He writes:

The more extreme the lengths a clearance holder goes to facilitate and hide the infidelity, the greater the security issue. [Trump has gone to the extreme, stopping just short of murdering Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal to keep them quiet.]

I advise clearance holders involved in such situations to begin taking steps to untangle themselves from any ongoing secondary relationship and, most importantly, to immediately cut any financial ties to that individual (e.g. cash payments, purchases of gifts, or expenditures on rent – or acceptance thereof) that show dependency. From a security standpoint, issues surrounding infidelity can sometimes be mitigated with the passage of time and a showing that no dependency (financial, emotional, or otherwise) remains for either party.

https://news.clearancejobs.com/2014/08/28/sex-lies-sf-86-causes-blackm
ail-among-clearance-holders
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

It should be noted that nowhere in the article linked did Mr. Bigley once say that "Trump has gone to the extreme, stopping just short of murdering Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal to keep them quiet." In fact, the article itself doesn't mention Trump or the position of President at all.

This was just Second putting his own spin on the article in a disingenuous way, with an outlandish claim and no citations.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Not sure if you overlooked something.
Trump is NOT a Clearance Holder. No President holds any Clearance, nor applies for any Clearance. Otherwise Clinton and Obama never would have been allowed to fill the seat.

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Thursday, March 29, 2018 5:08 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Security Clearance Attorney Sean M. Bigley represents clients worldwide in security clearance denials and revocations. He is a former investigator for the U.S. Office of Personnel Management. He writes:

The more extreme the lengths a clearance holder goes to facilitate and hide the infidelity, the greater the security issue. [Trump has gone to the extreme, stopping just short of murdering Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal to keep them quiet.]

I advise clearance holders involved in such situations to begin taking steps to untangle themselves from any ongoing secondary relationship and, most importantly, to immediately cut any financial ties to that individual (e.g. cash payments, purchases of gifts, or expenditures on rent – or acceptance thereof) that show dependency. From a security standpoint, issues surrounding infidelity can sometimes be mitigated with the passage of time and a showing that no dependency (financial, emotional, or otherwise) remains for either party.

https://news.clearancejobs.com/2014/08/28/sex-lies-sf-86-causes-blackm
ail-among-clearance-holders
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

It should be noted that nowhere in the article linked did Mr. Bigley once say that "Trump has gone to the extreme, stopping just short of murdering Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal to keep them quiet." In fact, the article itself doesn't mention Trump or the position of President at all.

This was just Second putting his own spin on the article in a disingenuous way, with an outlandish claim and no citations.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Not sure if you overlooked something.
Trump is NOT a Clearance Holder. No President holds any Clearance, nor applies for any Clearance. Otherwise Clinton and Obama never would have been allowed to fill the seat.



I didn't overlook that. Trump might not be a Clearance Holder, but I don't think anyone would want a President on either side to be in somebody's blackmail pocket regardless.

That goes for goldigging ex porn star bitches as much as it goes for Putin or the Prince of Qatar.

So I get where Second was coming from with that part of the article.


But here's the thing...

I think there's a pretty good chance he did it. But really, what does that matter in 2018? He's probably going to do what any husband in that situation SHOULD do and deny it until it's impossible to deny it anymore and hope it goes away in the mean time. My old man's guilt got to him and he told my mom instead of keeping that shit to himself. The only thing that accomplished was destroying her psyche for the next two decades, ruining three childhoods, and forcing him to move back in with his mom for the next decade to save for a 2nd home and life.

It's already been proven that Trump doesn't have any shame. I don't think he really gives a shit what the American people think about his extra-marital affairs. Really... why should he? Tiger Woods still plays golf. Hell... it's almost every other day we hear about another celebrity cheating on their spouse.

Unless Stormy has some extremely weird fetish stuff videotaped that will make the Bible Bouncers pronounce him a Demon or something, none of this is going to ever be proven, let alone talked about anymore by 2019. It all happened so long ago and was way before he ever had any intentions to run for President, he's never going to have to lie in a federal case about it like Clinton did.



All I was commenting on here was the disingenuous way that Second presented the story as if this guy were being interviewed about Trump when he wasn't. Also the conjecture that Trump did everything short of murdering women to hide it when there was no evidence provided for that claim.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, March 29, 2018 6:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

All I was commenting on here was the disingenuous way that Second presented the story as if this guy were being interviewed about Trump when he wasn't. Also the conjecture that Trump did everything short of murdering women to hide it when there was no evidence provided for that claim.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You've turned into a regular little philosopher, haven't you? So careful and precise, now using big words. I will give you something to philosophize about, something you can complain about not meeting your rigorous standards. I can not say what is really happening with Trump because that fucker won't tell the truth about anything and Robert Mueller is in no hurry to inform us of what the truth is, since Trump will fire Mueller on the day the truth is even partially revealed:

What happens when fearful Trump absolutely must bribe another woman, maybe a hundred women, but she or they won’t take the bribe, unlike Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels?

What if Trump needs to threaten the mystery woman or women to keep her or them silent, but he can’t because she or they are secretly working for the Russians? It sounds like the movie Red Sparrow with Jennifer Lawrence working for the Russians.

For all we know, foolish old Trump, with complete disregard for any of the guidelines his cabinet members must follow about maintaining national security, has stumbled into a real life version of a Jennifer Lawrence movie. He might be living in a Hollywood script with a screenwriting credit going to Vladimir Putin. Except there won’t be a happy ending to Trump’s movie. Just because a President does not need a Security Clearance, Trump can still be a Security Risk to America. And he is not helping by lying about everything, constantly.

A review of Red Sparrow: “Trying to split the difference between trashy and classy, Red Sparrow is a sleek, juiced-up espionage thriller that overdoes everything: its brutal violence, its dramatic flourishes, its hairpin plot twists, and most certainly its sexpot shamelessness.”
www.metacritic.com/movie/red-sparrow

Trump’s real life story is more like a TV soap opera than a two hour movie. He has entertained us by taking America to strange and dramatic places, one or more new episodes every day, since 2016.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, March 29, 2018 6:24 AM

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Putting the Ex-Con in Conservatism
By Paul Krugman
March 26, 2018

In 2010 an explosion at a coal mine operated by Massey Energy killed 29 men. In 2015 Don Blankenship, the company’s former C.E.O., was sent to prison for conspiring to violate mine safety standards. In 2018, Blankenship appears to have a real chance at becoming the Republican candidate for senator from West Virginia.

Blankenship is one of four Republicans with criminal convictions running for office this year, several of whom may well win their party’s nominations. And there is a much broader list of Republican politicians facing credible accusations of huge ethical lapses who nonetheless emerged victorious in G.O.P. primaries, ranging from Roy Moore to, well, Donald Trump.

To be sure, there have been plenty of crooked Democrats. But usually the revelation of their crookedness ended their political careers. What’s striking about today’s Republican landscape is that people who are obvious crooks, con men or worse continue to attract strong support from the party’s base. Moore narrowly lost in Alabama’s special election, but he received 91 percent of the votes of self-identified Republicans.

And Trump, although unprecedentedly unpopular for a president at this stage of his term, continues to receive overwhelming support from the G.O.P. base. Some Republican politicians have openly admitted that this makes the party’s congressional wing unwilling to hold Trump accountable for even the most spectacular malfeasance, up to and including possible collusion with a hostile foreign power.

What’s going on here? I don’t think it’s an accident that the modern G.O.P. contains so many crooks and that these crooks seem to thrive in intraparty politics. On the contrary, the success of people like Blankenship — or Trump — was an inevitable consequence of the political strategy Republicans have followed for decades. For the simple truth is that ever since Reagan, Republicans have basically played a con game on American voters.

Their sustained, invariant agenda has been upward redistribution of income: cutting taxes on the rich while weakening the social safety net. This agenda is unpopular: Only a small minority of Americans wants to see tax cuts for the wealthy, and an even smaller minority wants cuts to major social programs. Yet Republicans have won elections partly by denying the reality of their policy agenda, but mainly by posing as defenders of traditional social values — above all, that greatest of American traditions, racism.

And this sustained reliance on the big con has, over time, exerted a strong selection effect both on the party’s leadership and on its base. G.O.P. politicians tend disproportionately to be con men (and in some cases, con women), because playing the party’s political game requires both a willingness to and a talent for saying one thing while doing another. And the party’s base consists disproportionately of the easily conned — those who are easily fooled by claims that Those People are the problem and don’t notice how much the true Republican agenda hurts them.

The point is that Trumpism was more or less fated to happen. Trump’s crude racism and blatant dishonesty are only exaggerated versions of what his party has been selling for decades, while his substantive policy agenda — slashing taxes on corporations and the wealthy, taking health care away from lower-income families — is utterly orthodox.

Even his protectionism is less of a departure from Republican norms than people imagine. George W. Bush put tariffs on steel, while Reagan limited imports of Japanese autos. Cutting taxes on the rich is a fundamental G.O.P. principle; free trade isn’t.

More at www.nytimes.com/2018/03/26/opinion/conservatism-honesty-crime-gop.html

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Thursday, March 29, 2018 6:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Putting the Ex-Con in Conservatism
By Paul Krugman
March 26, 2018

In 2010 an explosion at a coal mine operated by Massey Energy killed 29 men. In 2015 Don Blankenship, the company’s former C.E.O., was sent to prison for conspiring to violate mine safety standards. In 2018, Blankenship appears to have a real chance at becoming the Republican candidate for senator from West Virginia.

Blankenship is one of four Republicans with criminal convictions running for office this year, several of whom may well win their party’s nominations. And there is a much broader list of Republican politicians facing credible accusations of huge ethical lapses who nonetheless emerged victorious in G.O.P. primaries, ranging from Roy Moore to, well, Donald Trump.

To be sure, there have been plenty of crooked Democrats. But usually the revelation of their crookedness ended their political careers. What’s striking about today’s Republican landscape is that people who are obvious crooks, con men or worse continue to attract strong support from the party’s base. Moore narrowly lost in Alabama’s special election, but he received 91 percent of the votes of self-identified Republicans.

And Trump, although unprecedentedly unpopular for a president at this stage of his term, continues to receive overwhelming support from the G.O.P. base. Some Republican politicians have openly admitted that this makes the party’s congressional wing unwilling to hold Trump accountable for even the most spectacular malfeasance, up to and including possible collusion with a hostile foreign power.

What’s going on here? I don’t think it’s an accident that the modern G.O.P. contains so many crooks and that these crooks seem to thrive in intraparty politics. On the contrary, the success of people like Blankenship — or Trump — was an inevitable consequence of the political strategy Republicans have followed for decades. For the simple truth is that ever since Reagan, Republicans have basically played a con game on American voters.

Their sustained, invariant agenda has been upward redistribution of income: cutting taxes on the rich while weakening the social safety net. This agenda is unpopular: Only a small minority of Americans wants to see tax cuts for the wealthy, and an even smaller minority wants cuts to major social programs. Yet Republicans have won elections partly by denying the reality of their policy agenda, but mainly by posing as defenders of traditional social values — above all, that greatest of American traditions, racism.

And this sustained reliance on the big con has, over time, exerted a strong selection effect both on the party’s leadership and on its base. G.O.P. politicians tend disproportionately to be con men (and in some cases, con women), because playing the party’s political game requires both a willingness to and a talent for saying one thing while doing another. And the party’s base consists disproportionately of the easily conned — those who are easily fooled by claims that Those People are the problem and don’t notice how much the true Republican agenda hurts them.

The point is that Trumpism was more or less fated to happen. Trump’s crude racism and blatant dishonesty are only exaggerated versions of what his party has been selling for decades, while his substantive policy agenda — slashing taxes on corporations and the wealthy, taking health care away from lower-income families — is utterly orthodox.

Even his protectionism is less of a departure from Republican norms than people imagine. George W. Bush put tariffs on steel, while Reagan limited imports of Japanese autos. Cutting taxes on the rich is a fundamental G.O.P. principle; free trade isn’t.

More at www.nytimes.com/2018/03/26/opinion/conservatism-honesty-crime-gop.html

Crooks like despicable Murderer Tedward Kennedy (Chappaquiddick film out next month), serial rapist Perpetrator-in-Chief Clinton? Golly, those revelations must have ended their political aspirations!!


Nytimes. This is where you fail.

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Thursday, March 29, 2018 7:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

All I was commenting on here was the disingenuous way that Second presented the story as if this guy were being interviewed about Trump when he wasn't. Also the conjecture that Trump did everything short of murdering women to hide it when there was no evidence provided for that claim.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You've turned into a regular little philosopher, haven't you? So careful and precise, now using big words. I will give you something to philosophize about, something you can complain about not meeting your rigorous standards. I can not say what is really happening with Trump because that fucker won't tell the truth about anything and Robert Mueller is in no hurry to inform us of what the truth is, since Trump will fire Mueller on the day the truth is even partially revealed:



Sorry not sorry that I made you go to dictionary.com to understand my reply.

Quote:

What happens when fearful Trump absolutely must bribe another woman, maybe a hundred women, but she or they won’t take the bribe, unlike Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels?

What if Trump needs to threaten the mystery woman or women to keep her or them silent, but he can’t because she or they are secretly working for the Russians? It sounds like the movie Red Sparrow with Jennifer Lawrence working for the Russians.

For all we know, foolish old Trump, with complete disregard for any of the guidelines his cabinet members must follow about maintaining national security, has stumbled into a real life version of a Jennifer Lawrence movie. He might be living in a Hollywood script with a screenwriting credit going to Vladimir Putin. Except there won’t be a happy ending to Trump’s movie. Just because a President does not need a Security Clearance, Trump can still be a Security Risk to America. And he is not helping by lying about everything, constantly.

A review of Red Sparrow: “Trying to split the difference between trashy and classy, Red Sparrow is a sleek, juiced-up espionage thriller that overdoes everything: its brutal violence, its dramatic flourishes, its hairpin plot twists, and most certainly its sexpot shamelessness.”
www.metacritic.com/movie/red-sparrow

Trump’s real life story is more like a TV soap opera than a two hour movie. He has entertained us by taking America to strange and dramatic places, one or more new episodes every day, since 2016.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



What if, what if, what if....

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, March 29, 2018 7:39 PM

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The Wall Street Journal reports today that IRS audits of rich people (yearly income over $1,000,000) declined by 25 percent in 2017. Kevin Drum helpfully extrapolated the trendline since 2011 (when the GOP gained control of Congress and the budget the IRS can spend on audits) so that rich people know when the IRS is likely to simply stop auditing them at all. It’s only four years away! Happy days are here again if only the GOP can keep those damn liberals out of power long enough.

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/03/more-good-news-for-rich-people/

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

What if, what if, what if....

Do Right, Be Right. :)

If Trump keeps threatening to destroy women he had sex with, he is the one who will be destroyed, assuming that Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal aren't the only ones he paid off. Trump can't keep pulling this stunt over and over without consequences for himself. He will end up like Harvey Weinstein. Even though Daniels isn’t accusing him of sexual misconduct, her story offers yet more evidence that Trump’s #MeToo moment may be long overdue. If some of those women are Natasha Fatale, Trump will be in more trouble than Weinstein.
www.vox.com/2018/3/26/17162718/stormy-daniels-60-minutes-trump-porn-st
ar-affair-consent




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Thursday, March 29, 2018 9:35 PM

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What if, what if, what if...

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 30, 2018 6:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
What if, what if, what if...

Do Right, Be Right. :)

It is not all "what if". Trump’s Lawyer’s Lawyer Now Says Trump’s Lawyer Wasn’t Actually Trump’s Lawyer. Reading the article makes me think, "How can these guys get this Stormy Daniels lawsuit so tangled and confused? There is no way this is their best legal strategy. It must be them reacting to Trump's confused thinking."
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/michael-cohens-lawyer-sugg
ests-that-michael-cohen-is-not-trumps-lawyer.html


Then there are simplifying tweets, complete with video of Trump's lawyer's lawyer, that make it less abstract:

https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/979356845394546689
https://twitter.com/BradMossEsq/status/979355634599645184

The comments in the tweets clarify that Trump and his lawyers were bluffing with legalese, hoping the contract would never see light of day... Now they got called on the carpet and don’t know what to do.

I know what Trump needs to do: Every single one of Trump's non-disclosure agreements must now be disclosed to the public. But Trump has refused, as he refused to disclose to Robert Mueller any year of his last 50 years of income tax returns. If you can believe Trump, all 50 years are being audited by the IRS. "Believe me." -- Donald J Trump

It would be very Presidential and dignified of Trump, the loudmouth who keeps shouting that he is innocent, if he would behave innocently. But I don't think he can do it. He keeps acting too guilty to believably fake innocence. Give Trump a few more years under steady pressure and he will crackup. His screaming nervous breakdown should be entertaining and newsworthy.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, March 30, 2018 12:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
What if, what if, what if...

Do Right, Be Right. :)

It is not all "what if". Trump’s Lawyer’s Lawyer Now Says Trump’s Lawyer Wasn’t Actually Trump’s Lawyer. Reading the article makes me think, "How can these guys get this Stormy Daniels lawsuit so tangled and confused? There is no way this is their best legal strategy. It must be them reacting to Trump's confused thinking."
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/michael-cohens-lawyer-sugg
ests-that-michael-cohen-is-not-trumps-lawyer.html


Then there are simplifying tweets, complete with video of Trump's lawyer's lawyer, that make it less abstract:

https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/979356845394546689
https://twitter.com/BradMossEsq/status/979355634599645184

The comments in the tweets clarify that Trump and his lawyers were bluffing with legalese, hoping the contract would never see light of day... Now they got called on the carpet and don’t know what to do.

I know what Trump needs to do: Every single one of Trump's non-disclosure agreements must now be disclosed to the public. But Trump has refused, as he refused to disclose to Robert Mueller any year of his last 50 years of income tax returns. If you can believe Trump, all 50 years are being audited by the IRS. "Believe me." -- Donald J Trump

It would be very Presidential and dignified of Trump, the loudmouth who keeps shouting that he is innocent, if he would behave innocently. But I don't think he can do it. He keeps acting too guilty to believably fake innocence. Give Trump a few more years under steady pressure and he will crackup. His screaming nervous breakdown should be entertaining and newsworthy.

Did Sessions recuse himself from Tax filings prior to 2015?

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Friday, March 30, 2018 12:52 PM

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Hey SECOND, how is it people still don't understand that Trumps financial ties to anything Russia, which may be revealed in Trumps taxes, is important because it may show if Putin has his hooks in Trump.

Hey jack, if you don't have any trusted reputable sources of information, than you are ignorant and need to realize your thoughts and concerns are groundless, or not based on any good reason or reality.


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Friday, March 30, 2018 6:16 PM

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Was Manafort a Russian plant?

tick tock tick tock
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