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Friday, November 17, 2017 6:22 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Yup. Essentially, Sexual Assault is thoughtcrime.

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Friday, November 17, 2017 8:54 AM

SIGNYM

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And Assault does not involve touching. Assault is a threat of Battery, Battery is the touching part. Sexual Assault has been defined to include touching or contact, but continues to not require it.- JSF
Not exactly. It depends on what state you live in. In CA, threatening someone is assault, touching someone is battery. But in other states, assault requires touching.

The sex crimes categories in CA are pretty confusing, some of them seem very specific, but what is a "lewd or lascivious act"? Sometimes the info lists a specific action like "oral copulation" ... doesn't that meet the definition of rape? but most times not.

These are examples from the registered sex offender map of my neighborhood

Annoy or molest a child under 18
Sexual penetration with foreign object with force or fear
Lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14 (there were five of these)
Attempted lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14 (two of these)
Continuous sexual abuse of a child
Continuous sexual abuse of a child AND Lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14

Nowhere does it say ... "Thought about having sex with someone". In this sampling, there wasn't even one instance of possession of pornography, which is the lowest classification offense you can have and still get on the sex offenders list. I was surprised at the number of offenders who abused children under 14.

Sexual assault seems to more about power than sex and the number of pedophiles was truly astounding. And BTW, all of the offenders were men.

Nobody is asking you, SIX, to apologize for something that you didn't do. Just like violent political action, I localize the crime to the person who committed it - I don't generalize that person's crime to anyone else.

But when you say that you don't like being told what to do .... first of all, I assume that if you're a libertarian what you means is I don't like being told what to do as long as I;m not coercing anyone, and/or I'm only hurting myself. But it's in the nature of people living together in a functional society that there will HAVE To be rules laid out, if only so that the strong don't prey on the weak. Because if you think that the answer for sexual assault is a good kick in the balls from the intended victim, what does a child do? Or an elderly person? Or someone who is mentally or physically disabled? The idea that there shouldn't be any rules - and nobody to enforce them- is a fantasy which only benefits the predators among us.




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Friday, November 17, 2017 11:47 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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And Assault does not involve touching. Assault is a threat of Battery, Battery is the touching part. Sexual Assault has been defined to include touching or contact, but continues to not require it.- JSF
Not exactly. It depends on what state you live in. In CA, threatening someone is assault, touching someone is battery. But in other states, assault requires touching.

The sex crimes categories in CA are pretty confusing, some of them seem very specific, but what is a "lewd or lascivious act"? Sometimes the info lists a specific action like "oral copulation" ... doesn't that meet the definition of rape? but most times not.

These are examples from the registered sex offender map of my neighborhood

Annoy or molest a child under 18
Sexual penetration with foreign object with force or fear
Lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14 (there were five of these)
Attempted lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14 (two of these)
Continuous sexual abuse of a child
Continuous sexual abuse of a child AND Lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14



Depending on the mood of the officer and the mood of the judge for the day, simply urinating outdoors even at two in the morning can put you on the sex offender map. Not something that anybody who could afford a decent lawyer would have to worry about, but it's a crap shoot if you've got a public defender. But that's just another small example of how people with no power or money get screwed.

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Nowhere does it say ... "Thought about having sex with someone"
.

Maybe the law doesn't say that. But when people quote a very flawed research study like Kiki did earlier and other people buy the stats, that's exactly what those particular people are saying.

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In this sampling, there wasn't even one instance of possession of pornography, which is the lowest classification offense you can have and still get on the sex offenders list.


And no doubt the most common of offenses. Makes you wonder the validity of the study when there's no mention of that at all.


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I was surprised at the number of offenders who abused children under 14.

Sexual assault seems to more about power than sex and the number of pedophiles was truly astounding. And BTW, all of the offenders were men.



Of course they were.

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Nobody is asking you, SIX, to apologize for something that you didn't do. Just like violent political action, I localize the crime to the person who committed it - I don't generalize that person's crime to anyone else.


I'm not really accusing you of doing so. Look at Wishy though. And even, to a lesser extent, Kiki. Sure, Kiki is usually much more tactful when talking about things, but you can see it in her posts as well.

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But when you say that you don't like being told what to do .... first of all, I assume that if you're a libertarian what you means is I don't like being told what to do as long as I;m not coercing anyone, and/or I'm only hurting myself.


Yep.

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But it's in the nature of people living together in a functional society that there will HAVE To be rules laid out, if only so that the strong don't prey on the weak. Because if you think that the answer for sexual assault is a good kick in the balls from the intended victim, what does a child do? Or an elderly person? Or someone who is mentally or physically disabled? The idea that there shouldn't be any rules - and nobody to enforce them- is a fantasy which only benefits the predators among us.


In this case I'm not really even talking about sexual crimes or the laws and punishments against them. I'm a Libertarian, not an Anarchist. Anarchy wouldn't work, simply because there are too many bad people for it to ever work. We need police and a prison system because we need for most people to have that thought in the back of their mind that there are real consequences to their actions. The fact that we have them and it still doesn't work all of the time is only evidence of how much we actually need that.

This was more a statement on my part about the entire nature of relationships between men and women and how in any relationship a woman holds all of the cards from the moment they have sex. She has 100% reproductive rights. Although the tides may be turning, historically, she has had access to half or more of the man's cash after a divorce depending on how many kids there are in the equation. She automatically is assumed to be the parent getting the children unless she has a long history of violent, abusive behavior. She gets the house while the guy has to rent an apartment.

I'm not making any of this up, and kids aren't stupid. They're picking up on it pretty quick these days. There was no internet when I was a kid. I can't even pretend to imagine how different things would have been in my life if there were.

I'm not shunning the laws of government in general. I'm saying the laws against men regarding relationships are bullshit and I choose to evade them by not getting into one.


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Saturday, November 18, 2017 3:21 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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And Assault does not involve touching. Assault is a threat of Battery, Battery is the touching part. Sexual Assault has been defined to include touching or contact, but continues to not require it.- JSF
Not exactly. It depends on what state you live in. In CA, threatening someone is assault, touching someone is battery. But in other states, assault requires touching.

The sex crimes categories in CA are pretty confusing, some of them seem very specific, but what is a "lewd or lascivious act"? Sometimes the info lists a specific action like "oral copulation" ... doesn't that meet the definition of rape? but most times not.

These are examples from the registered sex offender map of my neighborhood

Annoy or molest a child under 18
Sexual penetration with foreign object with force or fear
Lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14 (there were five of these)
Attempted lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14 (two of these)
Continuous sexual abuse of a child
Continuous sexual abuse of a child AND Lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14


Depending on the mood of the officer and the mood of the judge for the day, simply urinating outdoors even at two in the morning can put you on the sex offender map. Not something that anybody who could afford a decent lawyer would have to worry about, but it's a crap shoot if you've got a public defender. But that's just another small example of how people with no power or money get screwed.
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Nowhere does it say ... "Thought about having sex with someone"
.
Maybe the law doesn't say that. But when people quote a very flawed research study like Kiki did earlier and other people buy the stats, that's exactly what those particular people are saying.
Quote:

In this sampling, there wasn't even one instance of possession of pornography, which is the lowest classification offense you can have and still get on the sex offenders list.

And no doubt the most common of offenses. Makes you wonder the validity of the study when there's no mention of that at all.
Quote:

I was surprised at the number of offenders who abused children under 14.

Sexual assault seems to more about power than sex and the number of pedophiles was truly astounding. And BTW, all of the offenders were men.


Of course they were.
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Nobody is asking you, SIX, to apologize for something that you didn't do. Just like violent political action, I localize the crime to the person who committed it - I don't generalize that person's crime to anyone else.

I'm not really accusing you of doing so. Look at Wishy though. And even, to a lesser extent, Kiki. Sure, Kiki is usually much more tactful when talking about things, but you can see it in her posts as well.
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But when you say that you don't like being told what to do .... first of all, I assume that if you're a libertarian what you means is I don't like being told what to do as long as I;m not coercing anyone, and/or I'm only hurting myself.

Yep.
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But it's in the nature of people living together in a functional society that there will HAVE To be rules laid out, if only so that the strong don't prey on the weak. Because if you think that the answer for sexual assault is a good kick in the balls from the intended victim, what does a child do? Or an elderly person? Or someone who is mentally or physically disabled? The idea that there shouldn't be any rules - and nobody to enforce them- is a fantasy which only benefits the predators among us.

In this case I'm not really even talking about sexual crimes or the laws and punishments against them. I'm a Libertarian, not an Anarchist. Anarchy wouldn't work, simply because there are too many bad people for it to ever work. We need police and a prison system because we need for most people to have that thought in the back of their mind that there are real consequences to their actions. The fact that we have them and it still doesn't work all of the time is only evidence of how much we actually need that.

This was more a statement on my part about the entire nature of relationships between men and women and how in any relationship a woman holds all of the cards from the moment they have sex. She has 100% reproductive rights. Although the tides may be turning, historically, she has had access to half or more of the man's cash after a divorce depending on how many kids there are in the equation. She automatically is assumed to be the parent getting the children unless she has a long history of violent, abusive behavior. She gets the house while the guy has to rent an apartment.

I'm not making any of this up, and kids aren't stupid. They're picking up on it pretty quick these days. There was no internet when I was a kid. I can't even pretend to imagine how different things would have been in my life if there were.

I'm not shunning the laws of government in general. I'm saying the laws against men regarding relationships are bullshit and I choose to evade them by not getting into one.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I gotta relate to you the MI Laws, like the Every Child Is A Bastard Law. When I get a little time.

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Saturday, November 18, 2017 8:28 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Federal surveys use federal definitions.

https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=317




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Saturday, November 18, 2017 8:31 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"But when people quote a very flawed research study"

What makes it flawed, jack? BE SPECIFIC. Quote quotes. Link cites.




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Sunday, November 19, 2017 3:54 AM

1KIKI

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I see you can't be bothered to back up your assertions with anything related to the actual in the real world.




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Sunday, November 19, 2017 4:01 AM

1KIKI

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Let's say that a woman silently removes a man's hand from her breast several times, but it keeps creeping back. Is that OK? What about if he keeps touching her crotch and she says "No"? What about if he grabs hard enough to leave bruises? Repeatedly rubs his crotch against her on the bus or in the subway? How about catcalls? Following her partway down the sidewalk making kissy noises?

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I have never, ever, EVER in my life seen any of these things happen.
I'm fairly certain that in most cases if this were to happen in public, you'd have more than one man in the vicinity getting in the middle of it.



Woman catcalled 108 times while walking in New York







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Sunday, November 19, 2017 7:41 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I see you can't be bothered to back up your assertions with anything related to the actual in the real world.




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I already was specific.

You can't survey 14,000+ men and then only choose 4,000 of them to base your study on with no explanation why. Over 2/3rds of the men surveyed didn't count. I can think of plenty of reasons why somebody would choose to do it, but I can't think of a single reason that doesn't involve getting the desired results.

On top of that, they only surveyed 2 colleges in the entire country. I think a study of all demographics is necessary here, and to say that 13.2% of all men in college in the US are rapey based off of what rigged stats they got by picking and choosing their results at only two colleges is disingenuous at best.

I cited your study. Don't ask me to go back and figure out what page that was all on. I'm not going to bother sifting through that pile of crap again.

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Sunday, November 19, 2017 7:43 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


As to your videos, Kiki. you don't want me to start posting videos of Feminists at college. I will, if you want to keep posting vids and we can see who's dick is bigger.

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Sunday, November 19, 2017 11:03 AM

SIGNYM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
As to your videos, Kiki. you don't want me to start posting videos of Feminists at college. I will, if you want to keep posting vids and we can see who's dick is bigger.

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Yes, SIX, please, by all means post those videos. Because I doubt that you'll find any daily-life on-the-street harassment of men by women; but feel free to educate me.

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Sunday, November 19, 2017 1:49 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


You completely misrepresented the paper. WAS THAT ON PURPOSE, jack?



... we excluded students who were not enrolled full- or three-quarters time or who were over the age of 25 (because of concerns about not having sufficient statistical power to generate stable prevalence rates for the small number of students falling into these subgroups and the likelihood that these students, by having a longer duration of university attendance, would have an increased chance for exposure to sexual assault that is unrelated to their status as university students). Students under the age of 18 were also excluded to avoid having to obtain parental consent for the survey.

We created four sampling subframes, with cases randomly ordered within each subframe ... We then slightly reduced the size of the subframes (using random sampling procedures) to obtain equal numbers of freshmen, sophomores, juniors, and seniors. Samples were then drawn randomly from each of the four subframes. The sizes of these samples were dictated by response rate projections and sample size targets.




They didn't survey people and then throw results out, jack.

They created categories and then randomly sampled in those categories, ultimately getting ~7000 responses.

And IF YOU READ THE PAPER, you'll see that there is a large body of studies that have been carried out over the years that come up with similar numbers. Do you reject ALL the studies? Is that where you're going in how you deal with facts?




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Sunday, November 19, 2017 1:58 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Right. As I said, it was a bullshit study.

I don't buy polling data when they randomly sample a few thousand out of 300,000 million people, but at least they're using ALL of the data.

I still wouldn't have bought this study if they used all 14,000 men in the survey, but who was there to oversee the "randomization" process? I want to know what the numbers would have been if all 14,000 men were counted.


And I notice you didn't even touch on the fact of the demographics. How do you damn an entire nation on the supposed behavior of 4,000 men at 2 universities?

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Sunday, November 19, 2017 2:00 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
As to your videos, Kiki. you don't want me to start posting videos of Feminists at college. I will, if you want to keep posting vids and we can see who's dick is bigger.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



Yes, SIX, please, by all means post those videos. Because I doubt that you'll find any daily-life on-the-street harassment of men by women; but feel free to educate me.

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Sure thing. I'll get some good ones for you later this week. Last night was my first night of work in 2 1/2 years, and I'm pretty booked up till Thursday. It is funny how valuable your free time becomes when you don't have all of the time in the world. :)

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Sunday, November 19, 2017 2:13 PM

1KIKI

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kiki
And IF YOU READ THE PAPER, you'll see that there is a large body of studies that have been carried out over the years that come up with similar numbers. Do you reject ALL the studies? Is that where you're going in how you deal with facts?

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jack
Right. As I said, it was a bullshit study.

When you can't come up with a reasonable thought based on actual facts, is that your go-to response?
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jack
I don't buy polling data when they randomly sample a few thousand out of 300,000 million people, but at least they're using ALL of the data.

They're not trying to represent 300 million people. Not 150 million, or even 30 million. They're representing somewhat less than 9 million male full or 3/4 time college students 18-25.
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jack
but who was there to oversee the "randomization" process?

It's computer-driven. Apparently you have no idea about statistics - what the fundamental ideas are, the mathematics used, how it's carried out.

This PARTICULAR study is notable partly because it experimented with web-based surveying, rather than proctored/ administered surveying. Apparently people are more forthcoming when dealing with a computer than when in the presence of, or directly interacting with, another person, or persons.




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Sunday, November 19, 2017 4:26 PM

SIGNYM

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I think what SIX is referring to is that somewhere between the larger, randomly-selected population and the smaller one that went thru the entire questionnaire there was some sort of winnowing process.

IIRC, the study said something like ... "Based on the response factor" ... or something like that, which made me think that they focused on students who were mostly likely to respond. I'll look up that wording.

But if this was an internet poll and the participants were self-selected for their willingness to participate, that itself might be a non-random selection.

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Sunday, November 19, 2017 5:31 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Based on the response factor"

Surveys never get 100% responses. There's some roughly known percentage that will reply. So they WAY oversample in order to get a minimum number of responses, in order to have better statistics.

It's the same problem with political phone sampling, and other surveys. Because of that you won't get exact answers - not good enough to predict a Trump win, for example - but you'll be within a few percentage points.

That's why it's good to compare one metric to another, and one study to another, to see if you're getting comparable results. Going through the study, the numbers do stack up compared to other studies and sources of information.

Or, as you pointed out earlier, you can't conjure up 13% out of nothing.





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Sunday, November 19, 2017 6:23 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Well you've only shown one. And they only sampled 14,000 out of 9 million men, and then they only "randomly" used 4,000 of those samples and threw away the rest without telling us what the numbers would have been had they been counted.

(BTW... no shit they weren't doing data on 300 million people. There YOU go manipulating words when you know very well that I know how many people live in the country vs how many males are in college.)

I see now for a second time you completely disregard the fact that they ONLY SAMPLED 2 COLLEGES and damned all 9 million college age men off of their manipulated data.

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Sunday, November 19, 2017 7:18 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


one from the south and one from the upper midwest

but colleges get their students from all over the US




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Sunday, November 19, 2017 7:40 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


jack, you seem bound and determined to believe - despite all the evidence available - that women are treated at least equally as a matter of course and aren't subject to an undue level of victimization compared to men.

One of the newest people at work is a young woman who confided she was recently forcibly raped by someone she thought was a friend, and has since come to me with complaints about a pervasive number of men who regal her with stories of their sexual conquests or declare their desires to 'have' her. These are men that I know, and they have long histories of credible complaints against them, some of which I witnessed with my own eyes.

I simply don't accept your fantasies about how great women have it because they don't square with the reality I see every day.

That's not to say that men aren't also victimized in ways women aren't.

But if you're going to have any credibility with me, you're going to have to come to grips with reality.






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Sunday, November 19, 2017 9:51 PM

OONJERAH


Men -vs- Women: Sexual assault.

  Some men are gentlemen and very protective of women.
I have no idea what percentage of men enjoy sexually assaulting women.
I hope the number is less than 20%; but in real life, and when alcohol
is involved, I suspect it's closer to 35%.

  6IX, for you to repeatedly post so defensively ... you act like the
survey is pointing the finger at You! Get a grip, please!

  I was suddenly groped by an acquaintance about a year ago ... it came
as a complete surprise as he'd always seemed pretty straight arrow.
It was uncalled for, disgusting, & I've avoided him ever since.

  The survey is pointing the finger at men who DO sexually assault women.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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Monday, November 20, 2017 7:39 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Men -vs- Women: Sexual assault.

  Some men are gentlemen and very protective of women.
I have no idea what percentage of men enjoy sexually assaulting women.
I hope the number is less than 20%; but in real life, and when alcohol
is involved, I suspect it's closer to 35%.

  6IX, for you to repeatedly post so defensively ... you act like the
survey is pointing the finger at You! Get a grip, please!

  I was suddenly groped by an acquaintance about a year ago ... it came
as a complete surprise as he'd always seemed pretty straight arrow.
It was uncalled for, disgusting, & I've avoided him ever since.

  The survey is pointing the finger at men who DO sexually assault women.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...



The survey isn't pointing a finger at me. The survey is one of many things out there that the Liberal MSM is using to continue with the narrative that women are being victimized, and men are to blame. PATRIARCHY!

Most people are stupid, naive and gullible, and that includes women. I'm not worried about what intelligent and independent women think of a man like me, because they aren't manipulated by the media so easily. Then there's people like you-know-who on these very boards who sees me as a white male with privileged and only sees another Donald Trump type character.

Then you've got idiot, elitist, actually-over-privlidged men like Damon Young of GQ Magazine who says things like the following about ALL men:

Quote:

The scope and the pervasiveness of this culture of abuse and our roles in perpetuating it—and not “our” as in men collectively but ourselves specifically—has resulted recently in a reflexive and unwieldy and messy and self-conscious excavation of memories, relationships and interactions: a digging that has intersecting intents. It’s reconciling with what you might have done—and might currently be doing—to prevent yourself from doing it in the future. And, well, it’s asking yourself, “How fucked up am I?” Which, expressed another way, is “Wait ... should I be worried about this avalanche, too?”

The answer, of course, is hell fucking yes. We are all complicit. We are all agents of patriarchy, and we’ve all benefited from it. We are all active contributors to rape culture. All of us. No one is exempt. We all have investments in and take deposits out of the same bank. And we all need to accept and reconcile ourselves with the fact that, generally speaking, we are trash.



Speak for yourself and keep your projections the hell away from me, you virtue signalling, college-brainwashed, Regressionist Liberal, sad-sack apologist twat. Go fuck yourself, Mr. Young.

https://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/how-if-you-re-a-man-to-deal-with-
the-fact-that-you-re-1820410857


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, November 20, 2017 8:03 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


LOL....

I think that "Wild Cougar" would be a totally unbearable Feminist person to be around, but even she thinks that Mr. Young is full of shit and I actually had a laugh out loud moment reading her reply to his article.

She's under no illusion that all Mr. Young was doing here was a grand show of self-righteous virtual signalling in his article.

Quote:

Wait, I think I get it. Calling yourself trash is how men deal with the fact that they actually like patriarchy and misogyny because it benefits them. So they show shame and that covers up for the fact that they still want dominance. If you say “I’m trash” and do a little performative feminism, you can avoid changing the status quo and get credit at the same time. That’s what this is, right? Just like wypipo who come on here and performatively flog themselves as a last ditch effort to maintain dominance and still look like the good guy at the same time.

“I’m a man and I’m trash” keeps you in a superior position. You’re the bad guy who acts. You’re the agent. You have the power, you are the center of the discussion. Look at you, flogging yourself. You can decide to not be trash but it is all about you and your agency and you create reality. Right now reality is the spectacle of you calling yourself trash. No status quo change needed in this narcissistic shame show. Status quo change would require that you first STFU.



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Monday, November 20, 2017 11:07 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


SIX, why are you defending men who (you say) are nothing like you?

Let's grant that men are discriminated against in matter of family law (marriage and children), which seems to be your big main beef. (BTW, none of which you've had experience with, or are likely to ever experience, given your attitude.) Let's also admit that sex crime laws are variably enforced and can include peeing on a lawn at 2AM, and that the line between what is and isn't allowed should be sharpened.

That is an entirely separate issue from the harassment/ assault/ rape that many women have experienced, and that a certain percentage of young men admit to having done.

I myself has been harassed (for years) and groped. OONJ was groped. KIKI knows someone who was raped. Of the women here on the board, that's a rather high percentage, don't you think? Then why are you in denial about it?

It's not like saying that BECAUSE some men are assholes/ criminals, that men (in general) shouldn't have equal rights in family court. Admitting one doesn't deny the other.

It's not an EITHER/OR situation. Women should be free of unwanted touching, free of rude-to-intimidating public behavior, and of course free of sexual coercion and rape.

Men should have their right equally respected in court. In fact, I would go further that I think MEN should be free of being physically intimidated by other men.

Who would say "no" to that?

At the same time that I think that people (in general) need to make wise choices about who to get drunk or high with, and that those who are physically and mentally capable SHOULD be able to defend themselves (Which, given that most women are smaller than men, means that physical defense is usually not possible.) I believe that people should be free of harassing-to-criminal behavior. I don't deny the existence of such behavior ... against men as well as women, because boys and men are expected to engage in cockfights, even if they're completely outgunned ... and I believe that anyone subject to that behavior should have legal redress. I put the blame for that behavior on the perpetrator, not the victim.

It's like bullying. Bullies are identifiable; only a small percentage are bullies. What is your approach to bullying? What do you think the response should be?


-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Monday, November 20, 2017 12:22 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Let's grant that men are discriminated against in matter of family law (marriage and children), which seems to be your big main beef. (BTW, none of which you've had experience with, or are likely to ever experience, given your attitude.)



Bullshit Sigs.

I watched the court system allow my Mom to have full custody of my brothers and I when my Dad was by far the more competent one to be a single parent. He had even tried to start proceedings to get full custody, but was told by his lawyer that this could take years of court dates that he'd be subjecting the three of us to, and it could also cost him 50,000 dollars (80's money) to do it, and there is no guaranty he would win and in that case he'd be on the hook for HER bills too.

Then I watched the court system allow my Mom to fleece my old man of most of his wealth, and then continue to do so until my brother was 24 years old because of his disability. They probably would have been able to do it in perpetuity, had my step-dad not beat the shit out of him one night. (Granted, he was asking for it and was extremely drunk and pushed my mother into the kitchen counter so hard she fell down. I also beat the shit out of him once... he's a nasty drunk. He's in many respects a completely capable human being, just with some limitations, and he's much better now that he's been sober for a few years).

Let's not forget that the girl I got pregnant was able to get an abortion without me even knowing she was doing it. And if the roles were reversed and she decided to keep the kid and I didn't want it, we'd either be married now or I'd still be paying child support.

I am EXTREMELY tied to the family law aspect of relationships. It's fucked my life since I was 5 years old.



Please read my last post.

I am NOT defending men who abuse or harass women.

I AM saying that how the Liberal MSM is portraying ALL MEN today is toxic.


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, November 20, 2017 1:57 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

kiki
And IF YOU READ THE PAPER, you'll see that there is a large body of studies that have been carried out over the years that come up with similar numbers. Do you reject ALL the studies? Is that where you're going in how you deal with facts?

Quote:

jack
Right. As I said, it was a bullshit study.

When you can't come up with a reasonable thought based on actual facts, is that your go-to response?
Quote:

jack
I don't buy polling data when they randomly sample a few thousand out of 300,000 million people, but at least they're using ALL of the data.

They're not trying to represent 300 million people. Not 150 million, or even 30 million. They're representing somewhat less than 9 million male full or 3/4 time college students 18-25.
Quote:

jack
but who was there to oversee the "randomization" process?

It's computer-driven. Apparently you have no idea about statistics - what the fundamental ideas are, the mathematics used, how it's carried out.

This PARTICULAR study is notable partly because it experimented with web-based surveying, rather than proctored/ administered surveying. Apparently people are more forthcoming when dealing with a computer than when in the presence of, or directly interacting with, another person, or persons.

oh, wow. That is new info.
So, this study was biased toward Women who spend every minute glued to their phones, as opposed to responsible men who, say drive while watching the road?
How enlightening.

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Monday, November 20, 2017 2:02 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
one from the south and one from the upper midwest

but colleges get their students from all over the US

And don't forget Islamistans, where women are not even their favorite piece of property.

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Monday, November 20, 2017 2:45 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


To Sigs...

I do have to apologize for my less than stellar wording of the post that ended in a quote from Mr. Young's article and what I said afterward.

Quote:

Speak for yourself and keep your projections the hell away from me, you virtue signalling, college-brainwashed, Regressionist Liberal, sad-sack apologist twat. Go fuck yourself, Mr. Young.


I'm thinking it's possible you thought I was calling you a twat? I was speaking to Mr. Young, and all of those insults were for him.

Just wanted to clear that up in case that's why you replied like you did.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, November 20, 2017 8:21 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
KIKI knows someone who was raped.

I've put up with my share of catcalls, ogling and come-ons, which led to me dressing in the American burqa - jeans, 'T', and a huge sloppy overshirt. I've also been stalked and harassed 3 times - each time I was on foot in an isolated area, trying to get from here to there, and the man (two white, one black) was in a car following me for blocks. And I was physically beaten by a man (though at the time I thought the man was just trying to push me down to grab my purse. Though he never did grab my purse, and the dozen bruises I found on my body the next day showed I had been punched).

I didn't mention it because I wanted to keep myself out of the discussion.

I suspect every woman who posts here has had at least one notable instance of being victimized in a sexual way by a man because she's a woman.






HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Monday, November 20, 2017 8:44 PM

OONJERAH


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I suspect every woman who posts here has had at least one notable instance of being victimized by a man because she's a woman.





HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?


That's probably True.

I don't believe that men, in general, are violent pigs.
I think most are decent.
But sooner or later, you're gonna meet a violent pig.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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Tuesday, November 21, 2017 9:21 PM

OONJERAH


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:

That's probably True.

I don't believe that men, in general, are violent pigs.
I think most are decent.
But sooner or later, you're gonna meet a violent pig.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...



I believe that that is an insult to pigs. Pigs is just being pigs. And pigs is tasty.

==============================



    I apologize to 4-legged, hoofed pigs everywhere.
... but especially to Wilbur in "Charlotte's Web."

... oooOO}{OOooo ...
& btw, I won't let myself say "A$$hole" in here.

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Tuesday, November 21, 2017 10:59 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Anyway ... to go sideways a bit to the title

I think the McCarthy era was a low point. The Vietnam War was pretty low, too. Watergate was low, as was the time Nixon was deeply drunk and ready to drop "the bomb" on Vietnam. The petro-dollar arrangement was also low. In retrospect, Clinton's dismantling of the productive American economy was low. The explosive expansion of the surveillance state under "W" Bush was also low. As was Obama's drone-assassination program.

It's be hard to pick what was lowest.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Wednesday, November 22, 2017 2:55 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Anyway ... to go sideways a bit to the title

I think the McCarthy era was a low point. The Vietnam War was pretty low, too. Watergate was low, as was the time Nixon was deeply drunk and ready to drop "the bomb" on Vietnam. The petro-dollar arrangement was also low. In retrospect, Clinton's dismantling of the productive American economy was low. The explosive expansion of the surveillance state under "W" Bush was also low. As was Obama's drone-assassination program.

It's be hard to pick what was lowest.

I had conjured the Civil War was a fair low point. What spurred Joss to make Firefly. Brother killing brother. That is pretty low.

Edit: OK, "that I can remember" - I don't remember the McCarthy era.

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Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:40 AM

OONJERAH


JSF, "I don't remember the McCarthy era."

Rampant paranoia about the Communist party &
its increasing membership here in the USA.

Wikipedia:
"McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason
without proper regard for evidence. The term refers to U.S. Senator Joseph
McCarthy and has its origins in the period in the United States known as
the Second Red Scare, lasting roughly from 1947 to 1956 and characterized
by heightened political repression as well as a campaign spreading fear of
Communist influence on American institutions and of espionage by Soviet
agents."

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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Wednesday, November 22, 2017 6:46 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
JSF, "I don't remember the McCarthy era."

Rampant paranoia about the Communist party &
its increasing membership here in the USA.

Wikipedia:
"McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason
without proper regard for evidence. The term refers to U.S. Senator Joseph
McCarthy and has its origins in the period in the United States known as
the Second Red Scare, lasting roughly from 1947 to 1956 and characterized
by heightened political repression as well as a campaign spreading fear of
Communist influence on American institutions and of espionage by Soviet
agents."

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I didn't mean to imply that I didn't know what it was. I wasn't around then to recall it. I also was not around during The Civil War, and assume you were not as well.

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Wednesday, November 22, 2017 7:45 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


There seems to be a bit of McCarthyism in the air these days....

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, December 31, 2017 4:50 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Was chatting with a Librarian for an Elementary School last night. Drives her nuts that kids cannot understand even the most basic Alphabet. They seem to need their Dummy Phone top do everything for them.

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Sunday, December 31, 2017 8:50 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Yeah... I think my niece uses that thing way too much. Maybe I'm just old though. I'm hoping that her teacher gets her excited about learning. I've tried to do things with her in the past, but she just wants to play pretend when Uncle Jack is around. The three biggest games now are she's the princess of the castle that we make out of couch pillows, or we take turns ordering McDonalds, or take turns going to the doctor and being operated on. The last time I went to the doctor, I had 4 babies.

I'm hoping she goes into healthcare when she grows up. I don't think there's real demand for Princesses in 2018 and beyond, and even I'm doing better than a McDonald's employee.

On the plus side, her teacher said that since she's been teaching my niece is the only 3 year old who recognized her own name on the wall the first day of class. So there's that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, December 31, 2017 9:24 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


So far, best year I've seen since Reagan.

More winning, please.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, June 10, 2022 8:08 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Taliban rule offers safe haven to Al Qaeda in Afghanistan
https://www.weeklyblitz.net/counterterrorism/taliban-rule-offers-safe-
haven-to-al-qaeda-in-afghanistan
/

US under permanent threat from ISIS, Pentagon official says
https://en.mercopress.com/2021/10/28/us-under-permanent-threat-from-is
is-pentagon-official-says


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

I admit, my sampling of 'women' is limited. I've interacted with perhaps a dozen waitresses at length at my local diner over the last 25 years. Then there's the Hispanic neighbor-lady that lives on one side. (The other side is a rental, and lately the renters have been flowing thru at roughly yearly intervals.) Then there's my mom, grandmother, aunts, all my cousins, and assorted female relatives. And the three or so dozen co-workers. All the students I've trained over the years. Professors. And so on.
Most women I know don't call themselves feminists any more than they call themselves vertebrates, because the name just doesn't matter to them that much, one way or the other.
But if you ask them, what they want is to be treated fairly.



Don't worry while the Media Freaked out about Trump's GRAB 'EM BY THE PUSSY comments
some time later Billions of Dollars of equipment and weaponry, including helicopters, guns, rockets were gifted to a people that stone women to death in Asscrackistan

and Seattle has simply stopped filing Rape reports to focus its limited resources on things like 'Murder'

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
So far, best year I've seen since Reagan.



the Senile old shit and shape shifter Commiefornia Democrat who invited Afghan islamists into the Whitehouse...ok

Democrats might take a page out of that book and start running actors like Matthew McConaughey

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Friday, June 10, 2022 8:15 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:

the Senile old shit and shape shifter Commiefornia Democrat who invited Afghan islamists into the Whitehouse...ok

Jaynzetown, do you realize this thread has been dead since 2017, you crazy old crank?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, June 10, 2022 8:40 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:

the Senile old shit and shape shifter Commiefornia Democrat who invited Afghan islamists into the Whitehouse...ok

Jaynzetown, do you realize this thread has been dead since 2017, you crazy old crank?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two



Running theory: Jaynestown is a sock puppet who spams the board every morning and throughout the day to keep Russian posts buried.

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Friday, June 10, 2022 9:00 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:

Running theory: Jaynestown is a socket puppet who spams the board every morning and throughout the day to keep Russian posts buried.

I found a quote that I attached to the movie "The Northman" because it explained that movie but it also explains what is going on here at fireflyfans.net and in most of the world:

“All people are insane (in Viking movies). They will do anything at any time, and God help anybody who looks for reasons.” - paraphrasing Kurt Vonnegut

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=36&tid=65032&mid=1
156955#1156955


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, June 10, 2022 9:12 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Most of the threads here on fireflyfans are old, the Neocon Bush jnr and PirateNEws conspiracy threads go back to at least 2005, 2006, 2007

a lot of socialist discussion, Obama politics, illegal immigration threads go back to the Obama years

The Liberal Democrat ONLY thread is almost as old as this place

The Ukraine stuff has been discussed 2005, 2008, 2010, 2014, 2016 and even old threads about the USSR

The scifi and general books, movies, tv show discussions in other parts of the fireflyfans forum are as old as the hills, those board discussions almost go back to when Adam Baldwin would post on the prospero fox website and this place used to be an 'Andromeda' forum

The prediction thread dates back to 2012


SO WHY DO PEOPLE WANT POSTS CENSORED?


Quote:

Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
to keep Russian posts buried.



Then why have I been bumping the Russian thread
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=64889
saying Putin is the aggressive invader and they are going to have massive loss and young broken men in Ukraine

Quote:

Originally posted by second:


“All people are insane (in Viking movies). They will do anything at any time, and God help anybody who looks for reasons.” - paraphrasing Kurt Vonnegut



WTF are you takling about? You the person who claims to be an 'Expert' in islam, yet you can not quote me one single paragraph from that shit book the Quran or Koran

second I have asked you many, many times can you tell me what kind of person this mahomet was, this moohammad the founder of islam as described in islamic texts


I will simplify the choice
2 CHOICES - pick A or pick A

A
Was he a nice guy who spread islam by kisses and giving flowers

or

B
or was the a mass murdering, slaver, pedophile and terrorist who spread his Moongod Death cult by way of the sword??

You claim to be an expert on islam so which is it?

A or B

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Friday, June 10, 2022 9:19 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Quote:

Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
to keep Russian posts buried.



Then why have I been bumping the Russian thread
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=64889
saying Putin is the aggressive invader and they are going to have massive loss and young broken men in Ukraine

CaptainCrunch, I told you Jayneztown does stuff for no known sane reason. He immediately returns to prove my point.

“All people are insane. They will do anything at any time, and God help anybody who looks for reasons.” - Kurt Vonnegut, quote from the novel Mother Night
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/408560-all-people-are-insane-they-wil
l-do-anything-at-any


By the way, Jayneztown says I claim to be an expert on Islam. I never claimed such. He can't write a paragraph without letting me and the world know he is insane.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, June 10, 2022 9:50 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


The strange thing is with second and me is sometimes we agree, for example at time we both have spoken against 'military intervention' in the very same threads

However when we DISAGREE we Really Disagree


When islamics got offended by statues in America Fireflyfans user 'second' agreed with them 'second' posed Antifa BLM propaganda about historical statues
then tried to send thread discussions off topic by saying Trump was holocausting people with Corona death numbers, when Biden got into power almost no mention of Biden's failures on Covid


User second has also suggested arming all muslims inside their Mosques but not arming teachers

A thread on NASA's muslim outreach, plus a fatwa strongly denies Muslims a one-way trip to Mars ...second drives it off topic to cover for islam and talk about Antarctic exploration?

Second brings up names of High Schools and Memorial Statues

Quote:

Originally posted by second:


But it all depends on their attitude toward expedition deaths during the heroic age of Antarctic exploration.





Anyone seeing an islamo-apologist pattern here?

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57563

why is second always sucking the cock off terroristic pedophile islamists and making excuses for their shit culture?

Any opportunity to suck the cock off an inbred islamic terrorist or take it up the ass from islamic religion zealot second will happily take it up inside the anus?

Second posts sometimes with a level of reason, user second can write and debate
so no senile dementia yet
but there is the 'Gun' and family trauma where second wants to punish every responsible gun owner

Why the long term trauma and emotion from some person who claims to be logical??

However if you replace 'Jihadi islamists' with i dunno Vietnamese or Buddhists
and replace Republicans or Libertarian with Goldwater or George Wallace or Mussolini ...then things might slowly make sense in Second's emotional mind

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
God help anybody who looks for reasons.



Is this what you also believe?
Strange quote for someone who does not believe in God

Quote:

Originally posted by second:

I hope Donald Trump or Ted Cruz wins the nomination and the party is crushed as Barry Goldwater was in 1964.



http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60257

People want a quote from me?

'Fuck Islam'

That is not to say all individual moslims must be destroyed, some muslims as invididuals might have good qualities, however the muslim itself is usually the first victim of islam

I said it before and I will say it many times, it is possible as evil as Fascism, the Aztec Death Cult, as Communism, the numbers of Death islam has caused in the Indian Hindu Sub Continent Alone are insane, it may have killed 200+ Million people, it is a real shit disgusting set of bad ideas and bad ideas must always be mocked and criticized

'FUCK ISLAM'

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Friday, June 10, 2022 10:30 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Joe's approval sinks to 22% among young adults, 24% among Hispanics: poll

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Friday, June 10, 2022 7:06 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Joe's approval sinks to 22% among young adults, 24% among Hispanics: poll



What poll? NM - in the last decade we should have learned that early polling is irrelevant and only used to fill “white space” and catch eyeballs.

I don’t know why you bump any thread JT - you seem to bump every thread or have no pattern.

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Friday, June 10, 2022 8:02 PM

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Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Joe's approval sinks to 22% among young adults, 24% among Hispanics: poll



What poll? NM - in the last decade we should have learned that early polling is irrelevant and only used to fill “white space” and catch eyeballs.

I don’t know why you bump any thread JT - you seem to bump every thread or have no pattern.




Nah. Watching the aggregate is a good measure of things.

The polls always oversample Democrats and give them a better rating than reality, but all the polls are showing Democrats in the toilet now so it's much worse for Democrats than the Media is letting on.

I kept telling you to demand better of your party.

Too late now.

Democrats will be lucky if the party even survives until 2030.



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Saturday, June 11, 2022 7:19 AM

SIGNYM

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I'm not sure it's the "lowest point" but it may be the closest to actual change since Dems decided to represent the transnational elite (under Bill Clinton).

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Democrats will be lucky if the party even survives until 2030.
One can only hope. Not that I think the GOP is any better, but one of the parties HAS to collpase if we're to get out of this tweedledum-tweedledee paradigm. If the Dems are stupid enough to collapse first, that's a step in the right direction.

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