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Monday, November 13, 2017 9:14 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


http://abc7chicago.com/technology/facebook-asking-for-nude-photos-to-p
rotect-users/2623219
/

Quote:

The social network says it is part of a way to prevent someone from posting the photos online as a form of revenge porn.
The pilot program is being tested in the United States, United Kingdom, Australia, and Canada.



Uh-huh...

Quote:

Facebook says once user sends the the image via Messenger, it will use technology to create a digital fingerprint or link of the picture.


Yes. This is absolutely possible to do with today's technology.

Quote:

If the program works, it would mean that same naked picture will never show up on Facebook, even if a hacker or an ex tries to upload it.


Yes. This statement is true. It would also mean that you have to send a copy of every single picture that you would potentially want blocked ever to Facebook. Which means, assuming that your proclivity for taking selfie nudes or allowing somebody else to take digital snaps of you nude hasn't ended, you would also have to continue to upload new nude photos to Facebook frequently, and you'd also have to get any nude photos somebody else snapped with their phone and send those as well.



Here's a link to the actual fact page of the pilot program on Facebook: https://newsroom.fb.com/news/h/non-consensual-intimate-image-pilot-the
-facts
/



For anybody who doesn't understand what the post is talking about when they say "hash", it is an alpha-numerical code that is essentially a thumbprint for an image. This could be an 8 digit code (CRC32) or even possibly a much larger code to more ensure the uniqueness of the photo (MD5,SHA1, etc.)

This would allow the ability of Facebook to ensure that the image is not re-uploaded without keeping the actual photo on their servers after the hash is made, but here are a few things to think about.

1. If ANY alterations are made to the photo, the hash check will be completely different, and altogether useless. (How easy is it to put a photo through a meme generator?)

2. Assuming Facebook doesn't want to be trolled hard core and have a ton of non-sexual images sent their way that would automatically be hashed and blocked, there would have to be some actual human being on the other end looking at all of these photos to ensure they are in fact nudes. (Unless they have some EXCELLENT tech in place to ensure these never leave with the employee and that they're hiring people who aren't tech savvy to work around this tech, those photos are very likely to end up on somebody's personal computers at home).

3. Ever heard of hacking before? Seriously, WTF? Remember Equifax?


I probably don't have to say this to anybody here, but DON'T DO THIS. Tell your friends. Tell your family. Especially tell your children. (I'm assuming that this program is not limited to 18+, and children would be allowed to send what is essentially child pornography to Facebook without parental consent).


Six months from now, whether it is on Facebook servers, or on the servers of people who hacked Facebook, there will be a database of every single person who sent in their nude photos. It will have the person's name, a picture of their face, and as many nudes as they've sent to Facebook on it. In some cases it might even have where they live if they provided this information to Facebook.


It's a strange new world we live in. I think it's time for parents to have a very uncomfortable talk with their children about taking nude photos of themselves and the potential it has to wreak havock on their lives.


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Monday, November 13, 2017 9:49 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
http://abc7chicago.com/technology/facebook-asking-for-nude-photos-to-p
rotect-users/2623219
/

Quote:

The social network says it is part of a way to prevent someone from posting the photos online as a form of revenge porn.
The pilot program is being tested in the United States, United Kingdom, Australia, and Canada.



Uh-huh...

Quote:

Facebook says once user sends the the image via Messenger, it will use technology to create a digital fingerprint or link of the picture.


Yes. This is absolutely possible to do with today's technology.

Quote:

If the program works, it would mean that same naked picture will never show up on Facebook, even if a hacker or an ex tries to upload it.


Yes. This statement is true. It would also mean that you have to send a copy of every single picture that you would potentially want blocked ever to Facebook. Which means, assuming that your proclivity for taking selfie nudes or allowing somebody else to take digital snaps of you nude hasn't ended, you would also have to continue to upload new nude photos to Facebook frequently, and you'd also have to get any nude photos somebody else snapped with their phone and send those as well.



Here's a link to the actual fact page of the pilot program on Facebook: https://newsroom.fb.com/news/h/non-consensual-intimate-image-pilot-the
-facts
/



For anybody who doesn't understand what the post is talking about when they say "hash", it is an alpha-numerical code that is essentially a thumbprint for an image. This could be an 8 digit code (CRC32) or even possibly a much larger code to more ensure the uniqueness of the photo (MD5,SHA1, etc.)

This would allow the ability of Facebook to ensure that the image is not re-uploaded without keeping the actual photo on their servers after the hash is made, but here are a few things to think about.

1. If ANY alterations are made to the photo, the hash check will be completely different, and altogether useless. (How easy is it to put a photo through a meme generator?)

2. Assuming Facebook doesn't want to be trolled hard core and have a ton of non-sexual images sent their way that would automatically be hashed and blocked, there would have to be some actual human being on the other end looking at all of these photos to ensure they are in fact nudes. (Unless they have some EXCELLENT tech in place to ensure these never leave with the employee and that they're hiring people who aren't tech savvy to work around this tech, those photos are very likely to end up on somebody's personal computers at home).

3. Ever heard of hacking before? Seriously, WTF? Remember Equifax?


I probably don't have to say this to anybody here, but DON'T DO THIS. Tell your friends. Tell your family. Especially tell your children. (I'm assuming that this program is not limited to 18+, and children would be allowed to send what is essentially child pornography to Facebook without parental consent).


Six months from now, whether it is on Facebook servers, or on the servers of people who hacked Facebook, there will be a database of every single person who sent in their nude photos. It will have the person's name, a picture of their face, and as many nudes as they've sent to Facebook on it. In some cases it might even have where they live if they provided this information to Facebook.


It's a strange new world we live in. I think it's time for parents to have a very uncomfortable talk with their children about taking nude photos of themselves and the potential it has to wreak havock on their lives.




You can’t possibly believe this. Here’s you’re chance to say you know this is a joke or another ruskie hack, otherwise...

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Monday, November 13, 2017 10:33 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
http://abc7chicago.com/technology/facebook-asking-for-nude-photos-to-p
rotect-users/2623219
/

Quote:

The social network says it is part of a way to prevent someone from posting the photos online as a form of revenge porn.
The pilot program is being tested in the United States, United Kingdom, Australia, and Canada.



Uh-huh...

Quote:

Facebook says once user sends the the image via Messenger, it will use technology to create a digital fingerprint or link of the picture.


Yes. This is absolutely possible to do with today's technology.

Quote:

If the program works, it would mean that same naked picture will never show up on Facebook, even if a hacker or an ex tries to upload it.


Yes. This statement is true. It would also mean that you have to send a copy of every single picture that you would potentially want blocked ever to Facebook. Which means, assuming that your proclivity for taking selfie nudes or allowing somebody else to take digital snaps of you nude hasn't ended, you would also have to continue to upload new nude photos to Facebook frequently, and you'd also have to get any nude photos somebody else snapped with their phone and send those as well.



Here's a link to the actual fact page of the pilot program on Facebook: https://newsroom.fb.com/news/h/non-consensual-intimate-image-pilot-the
-facts
/



For anybody who doesn't understand what the post is talking about when they say "hash", it is an alpha-numerical code that is essentially a thumbprint for an image. This could be an 8 digit code (CRC32) or even possibly a much larger code to more ensure the uniqueness of the photo (MD5,SHA1, etc.)

This would allow the ability of Facebook to ensure that the image is not re-uploaded without keeping the actual photo on their servers after the hash is made, but here are a few things to think about.

1. If ANY alterations are made to the photo, the hash check will be completely different, and altogether useless. (How easy is it to put a photo through a meme generator?)

2. Assuming Facebook doesn't want to be trolled hard core and have a ton of non-sexual images sent their way that would automatically be hashed and blocked, there would have to be some actual human being on the other end looking at all of these photos to ensure they are in fact nudes. (Unless they have some EXCELLENT tech in place to ensure these never leave with the employee and that they're hiring people who aren't tech savvy to work around this tech, those photos are very likely to end up on somebody's personal computers at home).

3. Ever heard of hacking before? Seriously, WTF? Remember Equifax?


I probably don't have to say this to anybody here, but DON'T DO THIS. Tell your friends. Tell your family. Especially tell your children. (I'm assuming that this program is not limited to 18+, and children would be allowed to send what is essentially child pornography to Facebook without parental consent).


Six months from now, whether it is on Facebook servers, or on the servers of people who hacked Facebook, there will be a database of every single person who sent in their nude photos. It will have the person's name, a picture of their face, and as many nudes as they've sent to Facebook on it. In some cases it might even have where they live if they provided this information to Facebook.


It's a strange new world we live in. I think it's time for parents to have a very uncomfortable talk with their children about taking nude photos of themselves and the potential it has to wreak havock on their lives.




You can’t possibly believe this. Here’s you’re chance to say you know this is a joke or another ruskie hack, otherwise...

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are you saying ABC News is Fake News?

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Monday, November 13, 2017 11:12 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Maybe it is fake.

That's pretty scary and another conversation altogether if it is.

If it's a fake cloned website that I just linked here, that means that somebody has created web pages that perfectly mimick Chicago ABC News' website and Facebook's website, and works in conjunction with them without a hitch.



In either case, this is one hell of a story.


Note that if this is real, 268,000 people liked this program so far on Facebook. (Bottom of 2nd link provided.)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, November 13, 2017 8:54 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Maybe it is fake.

That's pretty scary and another conversation altogether if it is.

If it's a fake cloned website that I just linked here, that means that somebody has created web pages that perfectly mimick Chicago ABC News' website and Facebook's website, and works in conjunction with them without a hitch.



In either case, this is one hell of a story.


Note that if this is real, 268,000 people liked this program so far on Facebook. (Bottom of 2nd link provided.)

Do Right, Be Right. :)



Read the whole thing and get back to me. Your ability to jump to erroneous and typically negative conclusions is pretty epic. Don’t worry, you’re not alone. MAGA!

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Monday, November 13, 2017 8:56 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Read what whole thing? You'll have to be more specific.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, November 13, 2017 9:16 PM

OONJERAH



G-CaptainCrunch: "You can’t possibly believe this."


I'm with you. 0 credibility for this.
The scam should be outed directly.


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Monday, November 13, 2017 9:23 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Read what whole thing? You'll have to be more specific.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



Read enough so you actually understand what’s being reported and whether abc7 is reporting accurately. Don’t read a couple sentences and •assume• you know what’s happening.

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Monday, November 13, 2017 10:20 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You're going to have to tell me what you're thinking. I have no clue where you're going with this.

EDITED TO ADD: The article was very short and did not say one way or another what the author or the news outlet thought about it.

Did you read anything Facebook has said about the program?

I have no idea where you're going with this. What do you think I'm not getting here, and what are your opinions on the matter other than just vague comments insulting my intelligence?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, November 14, 2017 1:59 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You're going to have to tell me what you're thinking. I have no clue where you're going with this.

EDITED TO ADD: The article was very short and did not say one way or another what the author or the news outlet thought about it.

Did you read anything Facebook has said about the program?

I have no idea where you're going with this. What do you think I'm not getting here, and what are your opinions on the matter other than just vague comments insulting my intelligence?

Do Right, Be Right. :)



You insult your intelligence with your goofball assumptions. Follow the links - did you see the link for the explanation of the pilot program in AU? It’s actually a good program if you understand it.

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Tuesday, November 14, 2017 10:10 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


No. It is not a good program.

I do understand it. Probably more than most.

Now we're in a realm that I happen to know a great deal about. Security, cyber security, images, hashes. I'm also extremely fluent in HR BS.

How about you either raise any specifics that I can knock down individually, or just STFU about it and do your friends and family a huge favor and don't tell them your opinion about it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, November 14, 2017 1:31 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
No. It is not a good program.

I do understand it. Probably more than most.

Now we're in a realm that I happen to know a great deal about. Security, cyber security, images, hashes. I'm also extremely fluent in HR BS.

How about you either raise any specifics that I can knock down individually, or just STFU about it and do your friends and family a huge favor and don't tell them your opinion about it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Hey there. I'm a little curious about the ID format.
Is it like fingerprint classification, starting at the focal point and working the data evaluation outward? Or just digital cyphering? So cropping one pixel width of edge and renaming the image would defeat the security or ID function?

Also, how many months or weeks since Facebook had another data breach?

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Tuesday, November 14, 2017 10:44 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Hey there. I'm a little curious about the ID format.
Is it like fingerprint classification, starting at the focal point and working the data evaluation outward? Or just digital cyphering? So cropping one pixel width of edge and renaming the image would defeat the security or ID function?

Also, how many months or weeks since Facebook had another data breach?



From the way Facebook presents it, it would be the latter. That's one of the major reasons I was against the program in the first place, and I mentioned it in the first post. Let's assume for the sake of argument that everything is on the up-and-up (110% confidence in any human employees that will see these images, 110% confidence in security measures against any security breeches, etc)....

From the way the program is presented, even if nothing bad could possibly ever happen, there is very little that it would actually do because all it would take is somebody removing 1 line of pixels from the image OR putting a goofy comment on it (which is something that an angry ex posting these pics would likely do anyway even if they didn't realize that this would be a means of breaking Facebook's program).

I don't personally see how they'd be able to adjust for these tamperings with a simple CRC/MD5/SHA hash value after they've deleted the photo. They would have to keep the photo in a database somewhere "secure" to adjust for any tampering. And since the amount of ways to tamper with a photo are virtually infinite, that would mean a virtually infinite amount of hash values without the image on file...

That being said, I couldn't tell you the last time Facebook was hacked. But why bother looking it up.


Anybody who thinks this is a good program, go ahead and send your nudes. I hope nothing bad comes of it.

Don't say you weren't warned.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, November 15, 2017 10:48 AM

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Are you finally getting what this really is and now trying to walk back your original, ridiculous take?

Just in case... this is to facilitate the removal of images (typically nude) posted on FB without the consent of the subject. “Revenge posting,” is a common name. This is for images That Have Already Been Posted without the subjects consent, ones they wish to have removed, Not: “send us nude photos of yourself so we can make sure no one posts them.”
Plus: you have no freaking idea what FB’s algorithms check, so saying ‘removing a line of pixels’ would throw it off is pure BS. You constantly pull these sweeping generalizations out of nowhere, “most men think...” “that’s why teenagers are so messed up...” without having a Fucking Clue what you’re talking about.

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Wednesday, November 15, 2017 3:29 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Are you finally getting what this really is and now trying to walk back your original, ridiculous take?

Just in case... this is to facilitate the removal of images (typically nude) posted on FB without the consent of the subject. “Revenge posting,” is a common name. This is for images That Have Already Been Posted without the subjects consent, ones they wish to have removed, Not: “send us nude photos of yourself so we can make sure no one posts them.”
Plus: you have no freaking idea what FB’s algorithms check, so saying ‘removing a line of pixels’ would throw it off is pure BS. You constantly pull these sweeping generalizations out of nowhere, “most men think...” “that’s why teenagers are so messed up...” without having a Fucking Clue what you’re talking about.



LOL. You obviously didn't read this at all.

This program is a preventative measure. They are asking you to send in nudes preemptively to block any future uploads that somebody else may put up online.

They don't have any algorithms in place. They are talking about hash values. Once the image is deleted, there is no way to make an algorithm work because it has no data to work with. A hash value alone is meaningless if the image is altered.

I'm trying really hard to reply here without insulting your intelligence.

Please read it again before you speak any further on this issue.



P.S. Put an end bracket on your italics. You are now doing exactly what T does with his font color and forcing people who quote you to add it themselves.

P.P.S. The great guy that I am, I decided to make the job even easier for you and I posted the very 3rd paragraph of the Facebook page about the pilot program. It didn't even take long to get to the part that completely destroys what you thought you read.

Quote:

To be clear, people can already report if their intimate images have been shared on our platform without their consent, and we will remove and hash them to help prevent further sharing on our platform. With this new small pilot, we want to test an emergency option for people to provide a photo proactively to Facebook, so it never gets shared in the first place. This program is completely voluntary. It’s a protective measure that can help prevent a much worse scenario where an image is shared more widely. We look forward to getting feedback and learning.


TRANSLATED: Send us your nudes before your ex does.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, November 15, 2017 11:51 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I'm waiting.

I see you posted several times on the other thread, and I know you checked this one too.

So no apology for insulting me either, huh?

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Thursday, November 16, 2017 4:44 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I'm waiting.

I see you posted several times on the other thread, and I know you checked this one too.

So no apology for insulting me either, huh?

Do Right, Be Right. :)



Wait some more - typing on an iPhone is a pain. No apology - you simply refusing to use your brain is not my fault.

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Thursday, November 16, 2017 5:41 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You keep saying that, but the only "evidence" you've brought to the table to support that assertion was completely flawed to the core.

You seemed to be doing just fine typing with your iPhone before.

I'm waiting.


EDITED TO ADD: Thank you for fixing your signature.

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Friday, November 17, 2017 10:53 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You keep saying that, but the only "evidence" you've brought to the table to support that assertion was completely flawed to the core.



Actually, you brought the evidence that showed your initial assessment to be close to the one you had about pizza gate - full of erroneous assumptions and seriously whacked.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You seemed to be doing just fine typing with your iPhone before.



Nope. I didn't lie. Typing with an iPhone is a pain. But do make up whatever shit you need to.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I'm waiting.



Practice makes perfect.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
EDITED TO ADD: Thank you for fixing your signature.



I didn't - there was always a closed bracket - not sure what you did to break it. It seems like you have a lot of problems with computers lately. More when I have the time.

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Friday, November 17, 2017 11:24 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You keep saying that, but the only "evidence" you've brought to the table to support that assertion was completely flawed to the core.



Actually, you brought the evidence that showed your initial assessment to be close to the one you had about pizza gate - full of erroneous assumptions and seriously whacked.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You seemed to be doing just fine typing with your iPhone before.



Nope. I didn't lie. Typing with an iPhone is a pain. But do make up whatever shit you need to.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I'm waiting.



Practice makes perfect.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
EDITED TO ADD: Thank you for fixing your signature.



I didn't - there was always a closed bracket - not sure what you did to break it. It seems like you have a lot of problems with computers lately. More when I have the time.

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Wow. Takes the time to come back with nothing more than insults. I guess typing on the iPhone is a-okay when you've got your priorities straight.

So far your argument to me is that I was wrong because the program is not what I said it was. I've shown you evidence that you were wrong and the program is exactly what I said it was.

Please. Now that this is cleared up, explain to the class why your previous insults were warranted and why you feel that it's within your right to double down on them.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, November 20, 2017 9:09 AM

G

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
It would also mean that you have to send a copy of every single picture that you would potentially want blocked ever to Facebook.



This misses the point of the project. It's to help remove photos that have already been posted. Sending your photos in BEFORE they are posted is, as you rightly note, absurd, insane and ridiculous. FB lists that option as "as an emergency measure" of a small pilot program, whatever that means. They also say they are looking for feedback. I'm sure they will get an earful on the idiocy of the emergency option.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Which means, assuming that your proclivity for taking selfie nudes or allowing somebody else to take digital snaps of you nude hasn't ended, you would also have to continue to upload new nude photos to Facebook frequently, and you'd also have to get any nude photos somebody else snapped with their phone and send those as well.



Again, missing the point "you would also have to continue to upload new nude photos to Facebook frequently." You can argue that technically, the emergency provision means they are asking for your photos and I'll just continue to disagree and say that it's just silly - no one who is worried about their images getting online would do that for many of the reasons you stated. The main reason for this program is after the fact. Imagine how many people have had images posted that they have not consented to and they feel they have no recourse? At least they do now - that is a good thing.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I probably don't have to say this to anybody here, but DON'T DO THIS.



You got that right.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Tell your friends. Tell your family. Especially tell your children. (I'm assuming that this program is not limited to 18+, and children would be allowed to send what is essentially child pornography to Facebook without parental consent).
I think it's time for parents to have a very uncomfortable talk with their children about taking nude photos of themselves and the potential it has to wreak havock on their lives.



That just creeps me out.

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Monday, November 20, 2017 12:35 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Well thanks for changing your tone and having a reasonable conversation, G. :)

I think, at least for what I'm talking about, we actually seem to agree about this program.

To my knowledge, and on the FB webpage I posted, Facebook has already been allowing users to inform Facebook of photos that were sent without their consent for some time now (I haven't used facebook for years and I don't have any nude pictures floating around anyway, so I can't speak to that myself.)

In that case though, FB already has the nude pictures in question. They don't require you to upload anything on your own because it's already on the servers when the ex or somebody else uploaded them.


My entire thread here was regarding the pilot program.

So.... I guess we're on the same page now.

Took us a while, but I'm glad we finally got there.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tue, November 21, 2017 23:58 - 187 posts
In the garden, and RAIN!!!!
Tue, November 21, 2017 21:25 - 239 posts
Is Trump Nuts?
Tue, November 21, 2017 13:26 - 854 posts
More lies :)
Tue, November 21, 2017 11:41 - 15 posts
Democrats eyeing 2018 say it's time to start talking Russia
Tue, November 21, 2017 10:53 - 60 posts
The Scumbag from Alabama - 5th Accusser Surfaces
Tue, November 21, 2017 10:46 - 26 posts

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