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Our Simpleton/Liar in Chief

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Friday, December 29, 2017 7:59 AM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Hard to say what he excels at the most: lying or just being an idiot. Let's call it a draw!

Now, he's got indisputable proof! that Global Warming is a hoax, because it's really, really cold outside his office.

Trump Tweet followed by many replies from people much more patient than me:

TRUMP: "In the East, it could be the COLDEST New Year’s Eve on record. Perhaps we could use a little bit of that good old Global Warming that our Country, but not other countries, was going to pay TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS to protect against. Bundle up!"

Har har har! He's so clever AND stupid - how's he do it??

Comments:

"U.S. to be coldest region in world relative to normal over next week. Please note rest of world will be much warmer than normal lest anyone try to claim pocket of cold in U.S. debunks global warming, which they will invariably and irresponsibly do. http://wapo.st/2zEovsu "

"Using climate change as an argument against climate change is quite an amazing accomplishment"

"The president’s new global warming tweet is similar to arguments I often see on social media with stories about cold weather: the view that global warming, if it were happening, should be causing only warmer temperatures, not colder, because “warming” is in the term."

"Global ‘warming’ is a partial misnomer. It effects weather patterns in both temperature directions, intense cold included, as well as sea levels and currents, ecosystems and massive weather events like hurricanes."

"weather [does not equal sign] climate" (one of my favs)

"A man with literally every piece of information in the world at his fingertips looks at COLDEST NEW YEARS EVE ON RECORD and comes up with "yeah, climate change isn't real"

"Believe it or not, global climate change is very real even if it’s cold outside Trump Tower right now. Just like there is still hunger in the world, even if you just had a Big Mac."

"California is permanently on fire, but this all-hat-no-cattle cowboy is determined to fixate on a COLD WEATHER WINTER REGION at the END OF DECEMBER to deny science. Kids: this is what happens when you look directly at solar eclipses."

This is tasty:
"Reminder that Trump's Irish golf course just got permission to build seawall.

The original application for the wall cited global warming and rising seas as a reason for needing the wall http://cnb.cx/2lnrqR2 "

"I have to imagine every other world leader—allied, partner, adversary, whatever—finds this tweet as sad as I do."



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Friday, December 29, 2017 8:26 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


As a candidate for president, Donald Trump promised that, if he won, he would not tweet. “Don’t worry, I’ll give it up after I’m president. We won’t tweet anymore…Not presidential,” he said.

"Donald Trump’s 60 worst tweets of 2017, ranked"
https://thinkprogress.org/trumps-worst-tweets-706ab04ab3b8/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, December 29, 2017 9:16 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Clearly he cannot understand how devastating it is for Cow farting to continue unrelenting. Not only does it sometimes raises the Global Temps as much as a degree per century, but it also warms every celestial body in our Solar System, including Neptune when it is on the opposite side of the Sun, and the Sun itself. All bodies warm at the same time and rate as Earth, so it must be caused by man-made Global Warming. Has nothing to do with that glowing orange thing in the sky, which is rumored to alter temps by 40-60 degrees F regularly in a 24 Hour cycle.

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Friday, December 29, 2017 9:31 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Has nothing to do with that glowing orange thing in the sky, which is rumored to alter temps by 40-60 degrees F regularly in a 24 Hour cycle.



That actually made me laugh.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, December 29, 2017 10:46 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Clearly he cannot understand how devastating it is for Cow farting to continue unrelenting.

The natural gas sector released 127.1 million metric tons CO2e in methane between 2011 and 2012. Cows released 141 million metric tons CO2e of methane in 2012. Thawing permafrost, with 1,000,000 million tons of carbon, is a bigger source of methane emissions than even cows.

JewelStaiteFan, which is the bigger number? 141 million or 1,000,000 million? I just want to test your level of understanding.

www.climatecentral.org/news/thawing-permafrost-climate-danger-18869

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Friday, December 29, 2017 1:06 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Clearly he cannot understand how devastating it is for Cow farting to continue unrelenting.

The natural gas sector released 127.1 million metric tons CO2e in methane between 2011 and 2012. Cows released 141 million metric tons CO2e of methane in 2012. Thawing permafrost, with 1,000,000 million tons of carbon, is a bigger source of methane emissions than even cows.

JewelStaiteFan, which is the bigger number? 141 million or 1,000,000 million? I just want to test your level of understanding.

What about the thawing ice on Neptune?
We should pass a law to stop it before it's too late!

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Friday, December 29, 2017 5:07 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

What about the thawing ice on Neptune?
We should pass a law to stop it before it's too late!

These are President Donald Trump’s words, yesterday, after being told a recording device is on:

"Virtually every Democrat has said there is no collusion. There is no collusion. And even these committees that have been set up. If you look at what’s going on — and in fact, what it’s done is, it’s really angered the base and made the base stronger. My base is stronger than it’s ever been. Great congressmen, in particular, some of the congressmen have been unbelievable in pointing out what a witch hunt the whole thing is. So, I think it’s been proven that there is no collusion."

Zero congressional Democrats have said that there was no collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign during the 2016 election. Zero. Trump's brain is floating in outer space, near Neptune.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/29/16829806/trump-interview-ne
w-york-times

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Friday, December 29, 2017 7:38 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Republicans are completely immune to facts.

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Friday, December 29, 2017 8:42 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


lol


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, December 30, 2017 2:12 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Republicans are completely immune to facts.

Sometimes they are. And sometimes democrats are.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Saturday, December 30, 2017 7:44 AM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
What about the thawing ice on Neptune?
We should pass a law to stop it before it's too late!



Do you live on Neptune? That actually makes more sense than anything you've ever posted.



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Saturday, December 30, 2017 8:02 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Republicans are completely immune to facts.

Sometimes they are. And sometimes democrats are.

Trump interview and he is not lying. He is being too truthful:

TRUMP: It’s too bad Jeff recused himself. I like Jeff, but it’s too bad he recused himself. I thought. … Many people will tell you that something is [inaudible].

NYT: Do you think Holder was more loyal to …

TRUMP: I don’t want to get into loyalty, but I will tell you that, I will say this: Holder protected President Obama. Totally protected him. When you look at the I.R.S. scandal, when you look at the guns for whatever, when you look at all of the tremendous, ah, real problems they had, not made-up problems like Russian collusion, these were real problems. When you look at the things that they did, and Holder protected the president. And I have great respect for that, I’ll be honest, I have great respect for that.

Read that again. Trump’s premise is that President Obama engaged in a wide array of criminal, undemocratic, and negligent behaviors but his attorney general protected him from justice. And Trump’s conclusion is that Obama’s attorney general did his job well. To Trump, the attorney general doesn’t serve the country, or the Constitution, but the president.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/29/16829806/trump-interview-ne
w-york-times

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Saturday, December 30, 2017 8:37 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Do you have an audio or video clip of this?


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, December 30, 2017 9:26 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Do you have an audio or video clip of this?

Are you gonna do one of those "I wasn't there at the table so I refuse to believe Trump said that" ? Then call NYTimes "Fake News" ? Go right ahead if you wish but President Trump spoke on Thursday with a reporter from The New York Times, Michael S. Schmidt. The interview took place in the Grill Room of his golf club in West Palm Beach, Fla., whose noise made some portions at times hard to hear.

The following are excerpts from that conversation, transcribed by The Times. They have been lightly edited for content and clarity, and omit several off-the-record comments and asides.
www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/us/politics/trump-interview-excerpts.html

Trump ends the interview with this and imagine how we would react to literally any other president speaking like this:

TRUMP: We’re going to win another four years for a lot of reasons, most importantly because our country is starting to do well again and we’re being respected again. But another reason that I’m going to win another four years is because newspapers, television, all forms of media will tank if I’m not there because without me, their ratings are going down the tubes. Without me, The New York Times will indeed be not the failing New York Times, but the failed New York Times. So they basically have to let me win. And eventually, probably six months before the election, they’ll be loving me because they’re saying, “Please, please, don’t lose Donald Trump.” O.K.

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Saturday, December 30, 2017 2:36 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Do you have an audio or video clip of this?

Are you gonna do one of those "I wasn't there at the table so I refuse to believe Trump said that" ? Then call NYTimes "Fake News" ?



I already thought NYT was fake news regardless, and it has little to do with Trump.

I agree that Trump's views are problematic if he actually did say that. There's no doubt that Obama felt the same way about Holder if that's the case. The only difference between Obama and Trump would be that Obama wouldn't have been truthful about it, and the question never would have come up in the first place because the MSM had Obama's back no matter what he did.



As for what you just posted him allegedly saying, I'm mixed on that one. I don't believe our country is doing any better, at least not yet. But he's right about being good for the MSM's bottom line.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, December 30, 2017 5:45 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
What about the thawing ice on Neptune?
We should pass a law to stop it before it's too late!



Do you live on Neptune? That actually makes more sense than anything you've ever posted.



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JSF was one of those here I totally ignored, seriously for years. I would look at what he/she posted and right from the get go decided to ignore him/her. The absolute and total ignorance JSF displays, along with his/her biases is why I am doing so again.


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Saturday, December 30, 2017 7:43 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Then call NYTimes "Fake News" ?

I've thought the NYTimes was fake news since its overall support of the Iraq War and its gullible publishing of Judith Miller's 'news' stories without proper vetting (Miller was a reporter/ employee of the News York Times).

But, if you can make a good argument - with evidence and logic, of course - as to why their track record of biased publishing in support of a political agenda doesn't matter, I'll be happy to change my mind.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Saturday, December 30, 2017 8:45 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Then call NYTimes "Fake News" ?

I've thought the NYTimes was fake news since its overall support of the Iraq War and its gullible publishing of Judith Miller's 'news' stories without proper vetting (Miller was a reporter/ employee of the News York Times).

But, if you can make a good argument - with evidence and logic, of course - as to why their track record of biased publishing in support of a political agenda doesn't matter, I'll be happy to change my mind.



Show me a news outlet that puts objectivity first and I'll show you a news outlet that isn't fake news.

I don't see any out there.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, December 30, 2017 8:48 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Then call NYTimes "Fake News" ?

I've thought the NYTimes was fake news since its overall support of the Iraq War and its gullible publishing of Judith Miller's 'news' stories without proper vetting (Miller was a reporter/ employee of the News York Times).

Judith Miller did NOT fake quotes from Ahmed Chalabi, but Ahmed Chalabi was faking testimony about WMDs in Iraq. Miller got fired. Every NYTimes reporter knows she got fired, but not for faking quotes. The article about Trump was straight forward stenography: Trump talks and the NYTimes records his words. The NYTimes did NOT fake the Trump quotes, but Trump could be another Ahmed Chalabi, just another crazy old coot who is faking it. If 1kiki wants to believe the NYTimes cannot do simple stenography for Trump, well, go ahead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Miller

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Saturday, December 30, 2017 9:56 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Long criticised for the strong anti-Islamic bias in her writing" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Miller

Because nothing says 'credible reporting' like a well-known bias in her writings. And nothing says 'credible media' like harboring a biased reporter who churns biased writings.

But even given your excuses on her behalf, the Times had a duty to try and vet her stories - by for example, insisting on verifiable EVIDENCE. Which it failed to do, in line with its other biased reporting.



"If you weren't aware of the widespread problems with the New York Times reporting during the run-up to the Iraq War more than a decade ago, this lede from today's page-one Times story about political developments inside that besieged country might not seem unusual ... If you ARE aware, the gaping holes in the above description are profound." https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2014/07/01/how-the-iraq-war-still-ha
unts-new-york-times/199946

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/23/opinion/why-we-know-iraq-is-lying.ht
ml

Why We Know Iraq Is Lying
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/21/opinion/a-last-chance-to-stop-iraq.h
tml

A Last Chance to Stop Iraq
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/08/world/a-nation-challenged-the-school
-defectors-cite-iraqi-training-for-terrorism.html

Defectors Cite Iraqi Training For Terrorism
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/03/washington/us/the-nuclear-card-the-a
luminum-tube-story-a-special-report-how.html




https://fair.org/home/nyts-journalistic-detachment-before-iraq-war-is-
detached-from-reality
/ (links to cited articles found in the original source)


The editorial board of The New York Times (2/15/03) backed the war.

Major op-ed columnists like Thomas Friedman (1/22/03) endorsed the war, often becoming major cheerleaders of it. (One notable exception was Paul Krugman).

Michael R. Gordon and Judith Miller co-authored the article “US Says Hussein Intensifies Quest for A-Bomb Parts” on the front page of the New York Times (9/8/02). Vice President Dick Cheney cited this largely false report later that day on Meet the Press.

A New York Times “Week in Review” article (9/15/02) by Elaine Sciolino derided French opposition to the Iraq War as evidence of lingering “old French attitudes.” President Jacques Chirac “made it clear that he doesn’t think it is the business of the world’s powers to oust leaders simply because they are dictators who repress their people.”

Discussing Iraqi public opinion, John Burns of the New York Times (10/15/02) wrote that by listening to Voice of America and the BBC, many Iraqis “have learned that 90 percent of the ordnance dropped by American aircraft in Afghanistan consisted of ‘smart bombs,’ with a high degree of accuracy, compared with a figure of only 10 percent in Iraq in 1991.”

The New York Times’ Judith Miller (1/24/03) published an article entitled “Defectors Bolster US Case Against Iraq, Officials Say.” Miller wrote that many Iraqi ex-pats had offered information on Hussein’s weapons program, but that, according to the Bush administration, only “a dozen or so” were credible. One defector, reported Miller, “told American officials that chemical and biological weapons laboratories were hidden beneath hospitals and inside presidential palaces.” None of these claims were true.

In “All Aboard: America’s War Train Is Leaving the Station” (2/2/03), the New York Times’ Serge Schmemann stated that “nobody seriously expected Mr. Hussein to lead inspectors to his stash of illegal poisons or rockets, or let his scientists tell all,” intimating that the weapons inspectors’ lack of findings should not stop the US from assuming Iraq had weapons. Schmemann also wrote: “In challenging the United Nations last fall to join in the attack on Saddam Hussein, President Bush did not say, You’re with us or against us. He said something far more shrewd: Either you’re with us, or you’re irrelevant.”

The New York Times’ James Dao, in “US Plan: Spare Iraq’s Civilians” (2/23/03), contended that “American wartime leaders have struggled to balance the need to win wars with the moral imperative to avoid civilian casualties.”

A New York Times article by Kate Zernike headlined “Liberals for War: Some of Intellectual Left’s Longtime Doves Taking on Role of Hawks” (3/14/03) claimed that “as the nation stands on the brink of war, reluctant hawks are declining to join their usual soulmates in marching against war.” The seven “somewhat hesitant backers of military might” cited by the Times actually all supported the Gulf War against Iraq in 1991 (Extra! Update, 4/03).







HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Sunday, December 31, 2017 4:50 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Trump’s premise is that President Obama engaged in a wide array of criminal, undemocratic, and negligent behaviors but his attorney general protected him from justice. And Trump’s conclusion is that Obama’s attorney general did his job well. To Trump, the attorney general doesn’t serve the country, or the Constitution, but the president.
Unfortunately, that is the job of the Attorney General as seen by ALL Presidents: to protect the President.

Loretta Lynch: She didn't recuse herself from the Hillary investigation, she just took herself out of it by talking with Bill Clinton on the tarmac. Eric Holder also protected Obama (listed above).

Alberto Gonzales green-lighted GW Bush's torture and illegal surveillance programs.

Janet Reno green-lighted the inept handling of the Branch Dravidian standoff.

If you look back at the Attorneys General, most of them green-lighted or promoted seriously illegal actions, whether Dem or Repub. So altho they all take an oath of office to defend the Constitution and protect the USA from all enemies foreign and domestic, they themselves are often part of the problem. As is the President, of course, who takes the same oath but also commits unconstitutional acts and promotes unconstitutional programs.




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Sunday, December 31, 2017 7:45 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


That interview with the NYTimes, where the reporter was nothing but Trump’s stenographer, showed Trump was very fuzzy in the head on how his government works.

Luckily for America, the GOP is running the country and Trump, fuzzy in the head, follows the GOP’s directions most of the time. But a President needs an orderly mind because that looks better during an interview if he wants to give the impression he is actually in charge, rather than the GOP. I think a New Year’s resolution will fix the problem: “I, Donald J Trump, promise to study my briefing books before giving an interview because people read my recorded words and try to comprehend what I mean. Believe me.”

www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/us/politics/trump-interview-excerpts.html

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Sunday, December 31, 2017 9:25 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Hard to disagree w/ Trump. May not be easy for some to have to hear, but he's right.

Even CNN is forced to agree.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/29/opinions/fbi-leadership-to-blame-for-tar
nished-reputation-callan-opinion/index.html


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, December 31, 2017 9:49 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Hard to disagree w/ Trump. May not be easy for some to have to hear, but he's right.

Even CNN is forced to agree.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/29/opinions/fbi-leadership-to-blame-for-tar
nished-reputation-callan-opinion/index.html


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen



CNN is reporting on what a few are saying. In this case they are reporting on what a guy named Paul Callan is saying. They are not agreeing with any of it.


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Sunday, December 31, 2017 10:44 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


CNN couldn't make up it's mind from week to week about the leadership of the FBI a year ago depending on which way the wind was blowing.


It's hard for them to do their jobs and tell us what to think when they don't know themselves.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, December 31, 2017 2:14 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Hard to disagree w/ Trump. May not be easy for some to have to hear, but he's right.

Even CNN is forced to agree.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/29/opinions/fbi-leadership-to-blame-for-tar
nished-reputation-callan-opinion/index.html


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen



CNN is reporting on what a few are saying. In this case they are reporting on what a guy named Paul Callan is saying. They are not agreeing with any of it.


T



Reporting = admission. Even if they won't come out and SAY it, the fact they even acknowledge it is a landmark.

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Monday, January 1, 2018 7:16 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


This is journalism from July 2016, but it does predict 2018 Trump.
www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-
all


Trump, facing a crowd that had gathered in the lobby of Trump Tower, on Fifth Avenue, laid out his qualifications for President, saying, “We need a leader that wrote ‘The Art of the Deal.’ ” If that was so, Tony Schwartz thought, then he, not Trump, should be running. Schwartz dashed off a tweet: “Many thanks Donald Trump for suggesting I run for President, based on the fact that I wrote ‘The Art of the Deal.’ ”

Schwartz had ghostwritten Trump’s breakthrough memoir, earning a joint byline on the cover and half of the royalties. The book generated several million dollars in royalties. The book expanded Trump’s renown far beyond New York City, making him an emblem of the successful tycoon. Edward Kosner, the editor and publisher where Schwartz worked as a writer at the time, says, “Tony created Trump. He’s Dr. Frankenstein.”

As Schwartz watched a replay of Trump holding forth for forty-five minutes, he noticed something strange: Trump appeared to have convinced himself that he had written the book. Schwartz recalls thinking, “If he could lie about that on Day One — when it was so easily refuted — he is likely to lie about anything.”

While writing the book, Schwartz had spent hundreds of hours observing Trump firsthand, and felt that he had an unusually deep understanding of what he regarded as Trump’s disqualifying weaknesses. It wasn’t Trump’s ideology — Schwartz doubted that he had one. The problem was Trump’s personality, which he considered pathologically impulsive and self-centered.

If he were writing “The Art of the Deal” today, Schwartz said, it would be a very different book with a very different title, [now that he doesn't have to make the boss look good or else be fired.] Asked what he would call it, he answered, “The Sociopath.”

“I was shocked,” Schwartz told me. “Trump didn’t fit any model of human being I’d ever met. He was obsessed with publicity, and he didn’t care what you wrote.” He went on, “Trump only takes two positions. Either you’re a scummy loser, liar, whatever, or you’re the greatest. I became the greatest. He wanted to be seen as a tough guy, and he loved being on the cover.”

Being a ghostwriter was hackwork. In the end, though, Schwartz had his price. He told Trump that if he would give him half the advance and half the book’s royalties he’d take the job.

Such terms are unusually generous for a ghostwriter. Trump, despite having a reputation as a tough negotiator, agreed on the spot. “It was a huge windfall,” Schwartz recalls. “But I knew I was selling out. Literally, the term was invented to describe what I did.” Soon Spy magazine was calling him “former journalist Tony Schwartz.”

For research, Schwartz planned to interview Trump on a series of Saturday mornings. The first session didn’t go as planned, however. The discussion was soon hobbled by what Schwartz regards as one of Trump’s most essential characteristics: “He has no attention span.”

“Trump has been written about a thousand ways from Sunday, but this fundamental aspect of who he is doesn’t seem to be fully understood,” Schwartz told me. “It’s implicit in a lot of what people write, but it’s never explicit — or, at least, I haven’t seen it. And that is that it’s impossible to keep him focused on any topic, other than his own self-aggrandizement, for more than a few minutes, and even then . . . ” Schwartz trailed off, shaking his head in amazement. He regards Trump’s inability to concentrate as alarming in a Presidential candidate. “If he had to be briefed on a crisis in the Situation Room, it’s impossible to imagine him paying attention over a long period of time,” he said.

Schwartz warned, “the millions of people who voted for him and believe that he represents their interests will learn what anyone who deals closely with him already knows — that he couldn’t care less about them.”

More at www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-
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Monday, January 1, 2018 8:29 AM

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lol... seems like a whiny twat for somebody who got half the royalties on the book, which alone is I'm sure more money than most American's will ever make in their lives.



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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol... seems like a whiny twat for somebody who got half the royalties on the book, which alone is I'm sure more money than most American's will ever make in their lives.

Schwartz could have had a second huge payday working with Trump, making at least twice as much as the first time, but he'd be promoting Trump, once again:

Trump approached Schwartz about writing “The Art of the Deal” sequel, for which Trump had been offered a seven-figure advance. He pointed out that, because the advance was much bigger, the payout would be, too. But Schwartz said no. Why? Because Schwartz reminded himself that he was paid to tell Trump’s story, not his own, but the more he worked with Trump the more disturbing he found it. Schwartz wrote in his journal that “almost everything” about Trump’s deals had “an immoral cast.” But as the ghostwriter he was “trying hard to find my way around” behavior that he considered “if not reprehensible, at least morally questionable.”

In his journal, he describes the hours he spent with Trump as “draining” and “deadening.” Trump’s need for attention is “completely compulsive,” and that his bid for the Presidency is part of a continuum. “He’s managed to keep increasing the dose for forty years,” Schwartz said. After he’d spent decades as a tabloid titan, “the only thing left was running for President. If he could run for emperor of the world, he would.”

www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-
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Monday, January 1, 2018 10:29 AM

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lol

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

It's lol funny (both ha-ha and strange) that Schwartz got the job ghostwriting an "autobiography" praising Trump's genius, despite what Schwartz had previously written about him:

Schwartz had published a piece in New York called “A Different Kind of Donald Trump Story,” which portrayed him not as a brilliant mogul but as a ham-fisted thug who had unsuccessfully tried to evict rent-controlled and rent-stabilized tenants from a building that he had bought on Central Park South. Trump’s efforts — which included a plan to house homeless people in the building in order to harass the tenants — became what Schwartz described as a “fugue of failure, a farce of fumbling and bumbling.” An accompanying cover portrait depicted Trump as unshaven, unpleasant-looking, and shiny with sweat. Yet, to Schwartz’s amazement, Trump loved the article. He hung the cover on a wall of his office, and sent a fan note to Schwartz, on his gold-embossed personal stationery. “Everybody seems to have read it,” Trump enthused in the note, which Schwartz has kept.

www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-
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Maybe Trump did not read all the way to the end of Schwartz’s “A Different Kind of Donald Trump Story” ? He's still not much of a reader, which explains a great deal about Trump's 6th grade level, over-simplified understanding of his job as President.

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Monday, January 1, 2018 12:19 PM

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Sounds to me like Schwartz is a whore.

I wonder what he's getting paid to talk now.

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Monday, January 1, 2018 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by second:
This is journalism from July 2016, but it does predict 2018 Trump.
www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-
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Trump, facing a crowd that had gathered in the lobby of Trump Tower, on Fifth Avenue, laid out his qualifications for President, saying, “We need a leader that wrote ‘The Art of the Deal.’ ” If that was so, Tony Schwartz thought, then he, not Trump, should be running. Schwartz dashed off a tweet: “Many thanks Donald Trump for suggesting I run for President, based on the fact that I wrote ‘The Art of the Deal.’ ”

Schwartz had ghostwritten Trump’s breakthrough memoir, earning a joint byline on the cover and half of the royalties. The book generated several million dollars in royalties. The book expanded Trump’s renown far beyond New York City, making him an emblem of the successful tycoon. Edward Kosner, the editor and publisher where Schwartz worked as a writer at the time, says, “Tony created Trump. He’s Dr. Frankenstein.”

As Schwartz watched a replay of Trump holding forth for forty-five minutes, he noticed something strange: Trump appeared to have convinced himself that he had written the book. Schwartz recalls thinking, “If he could lie about that on Day One — when it was so easily refuted — he is likely to lie about anything.”

While writing the book, Schwartz had spent hundreds of hours observing Trump firsthand, and felt that he had an unusually deep understanding of what he regarded as Trump’s disqualifying weaknesses. It wasn’t Trump’s ideology — Schwartz doubted that he had one. The problem was Trump’s personality, which he considered pathologically impulsive and self-centered.

If he were writing “The Art of the Deal” today, Schwartz said, it would be a very different book with a very different title, [now that he doesn't have to make the boss look good or else be fired.] Asked what he would call it, he answered, “The Sociopath.”

“I was shocked,” Schwartz told me. “Trump didn’t fit any model of human being I’d ever met. He was obsessed with publicity, and he didn’t care what you wrote.” He went on, “Trump only takes two positions. Either you’re a scummy loser, liar, whatever, or you’re the greatest. I became the greatest. He wanted to be seen as a tough guy, and he loved being on the cover.”

Being a ghostwriter was hackwork. In the end, though, Schwartz had his price. He told Trump that if he would give him half the advance and half the book’s royalties he’d take the job.

Such terms are unusually generous for a ghostwriter. Trump, despite having a reputation as a tough negotiator, agreed on the spot. “It was a huge windfall,” Schwartz recalls. “But I knew I was selling out. Literally, the term was invented to describe what I did.” Soon Spy magazine was calling him “former journalist Tony Schwartz.”

For research, Schwartz planned to interview Trump on a series of Saturday mornings. The first session didn’t go as planned, however. The discussion was soon hobbled by what Schwartz regards as one of Trump’s most essential characteristics: “He has no attention span.”

“Trump has been written about a thousand ways from Sunday, but this fundamental aspect of who he is doesn’t seem to be fully understood,” Schwartz told me. “It’s implicit in a lot of what people write, but it’s never explicit — or, at least, I haven’t seen it. And that is that it’s impossible to keep him focused on any topic, other than his own self-aggrandizement, for more than a few minutes, and even then . . . ” Schwartz trailed off, shaking his head in amazement. He regards Trump’s inability to concentrate as alarming in a Presidential candidate. “If he had to be briefed on a crisis in the Situation Room, it’s impossible to imagine him paying attention over a long period of time,” he said.

Schwartz warned, “the millions of people who voted for him and believe that he represents their interests will learn what anyone who deals closely with him already knows — that he couldn’t care less about them.”

More at www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-
all


Where is the journalism? I only see a link to gibberish from New Yorker.
You say here is some journalism and then skip right to a link from New Yorker. Please add in the part where some journalism is.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

]Where is the journalism? I only see a link to gibberish from New Yorker.
You say here is some journalism and then skip right to a link from New Yorker. Please add in the part where some journalism is.

What is your point? Are you claiming Trump's ghostwriter did not really give an interview to a journalist at the New Yorker? Or are you claiming that Trump did not have a ghostwriter for his "autobiography" The Art of the Deal? Or are you claiming the ghostwriter never listened to hundreds of hours of Trump's meetings and phone calls where Trump made crooked decisions that couldn't be mentioned in the "autobiography" because he was paid to make Trump look like he is not a crook? Or are you claiming to be a big baby that needs Trump to protect your delicately thin-skin from real life?

Did I mention that the ghostwriter refused to work for Trump for another book, even though his pay would at least double? That was because Trump was a crook and the ghostwriter carefully explained to the New Yorker journalist about Trump's crooked deals.

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Monday, January 1, 2018 1:37 PM

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Did I mention that the ghostwriter refused to work for Trump for another book, even though his pay would at least double?



Yes. You did. You also said this:

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

It's lol funny (both ha-ha and strange) that Schwartz got the job ghostwriting an "autobiography" praising Trump's genius, despite what Schwartz had previously written about him:

Schwartz had published a piece in New York called “A Different Kind of Donald Trump Story,” which portrayed him not as a brilliant mogul but as a ham-fisted thug who had unsuccessfully tried to evict rent-controlled and rent-stabilized tenants from a building that he had bought on Central Park South. Trump’s efforts — which included a plan to house homeless people in the building in order to harass the tenants — became what Schwartz described as a “fugue of failure, a farce of fumbling and bumbling.” An accompanying cover portrait depicted Trump as unshaven, unpleasant-looking, and shiny with sweat. Yet, to Schwartz’s amazement, Trump loved the article. He hung the cover on a wall of his office, and sent a fan note to Schwartz, on his gold-embossed personal stationery. “Everybody seems to have read it,” Trump enthused in the note, which Schwartz has kept.



lol... So yeah, a whore. Not so strange. He's a virtue signaling whore.

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lol... So yeah, a whore. Not so strange. He's a virtue signaling whore.

Do you believe cigarette warnings are "virtue signaling"? I’ve shown the warning labels on cigarettes to Marshall. Did he pay attention before smoking? No and now he is in chemo, after surgery. Trump has warning labels, written by journalists, all over him. Did people pay attention before voting? No. They must think like 6ixStringJack, that it's whores "virtue signaling".
www.cbsnews.com/pictures/27-cigarette-warning-labels-nixed-by-the-fda/

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Monday, January 1, 2018 3:08 PM

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lol... So yeah, a whore. Not so strange. He's a virtue signaling whore.

Do you believe cigarette warnings are "virtue signaling"? I’ve shown the warning labels on cigarettes to Marshall. Did he pay attention before smoking? No and now he is in chemo, after surgery. Trump has warning labels, written by journalists, all over him. Did people pay attention before voting? No. They must think like 6ixStringJack, that it's whores "virtue signaling".



One thing does not preclude the other. I don't believe I ever said that it did.

Same goes for Trump voters. Don't forget that Hillary had plenty of warning labels all over her as well.


I'm not even defending Trump here. I'm just pointing out what a whore the guy is. Pick your sources better is all I'm saying.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

lol... So yeah, a whore. Not so strange. He's a virtue signaling whore.

Do you believe cigarette warnings are "virtue signaling"? I’ve shown the warning labels on cigarettes to Marshall. Did he pay attention before smoking? No and now he is in chemo, after surgery. Trump has warning labels, written by journalists, all over him. Did people pay attention before voting? No. They must think like 6ixStringJack, that it's whores "virtue signaling".



One thing does not preclude the other. I don't believe I ever said that it did.

Same goes for Trump voters. Don't forget that Hillary had plenty of warning labels all over her as well.

I'm not even defending Trump here. I'm just pointing out what a whore the guy is. Pick your sources better is all I'm saying.

The ghostwriter of Trump's autobiography is the best source in the world on Trump is all I'm saying.

I was warned that Hillary was a Democrat! And she murdered Vince Foster! And she was smuggling drugs in Arkansas onto secret airfields! Whitewater! Monica Lewinsky! That was just the Republicans. Bernie's people were horrified that Hillary cackled after a U.S. drone blew up Libyan ruler Moammar Khaddafi’s convoy, leading to his being sodomized by bayonet on video. Libyans denied their leader a life in retirement and appointing his second son to the highest office in the land and it is all Hillary's fault!
http://rall.com/2017/12/26/if-hillary-clinton-had-won

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Monday, January 1, 2018 7:34 PM

OONJERAH


Trump the Art of the Deal, 1987, Warner Books, by Donald J. Trump with Tony Schwartz

I have the paperback copy.
Trump the Art of the Deal, 1989, Donald J. Trump with Tony Schwartz
  I don't recall buying it & don't know how it got here, unless the Force delivered it.


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Monday, January 1, 2018 8:25 PM

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Quote:

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]Where is the journalism? I only see a link to gibberish from New Yorker.
You say here is some journalism and then skip right to a link from New Yorker. Please add in the part where some journalism is.

What is your point? Are you claiming Trump's ghostwriter did not really give an interview to a journalist at the New Yorker?

Obviously not, because there are no journalists at the New Yorker. The New Yorker has not employed a journalist in a very long time, likely ever. Short Story Fiction writers, they have aplenty.

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Monday, January 1, 2018 8:39 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

lol... So yeah, a whore. Not so strange. He's a virtue signaling whore.

Do you believe cigarette warnings are "virtue signaling"? I’ve shown the warning labels on cigarettes to Marshall. Did he pay attention before smoking? No and now he is in chemo, after surgery. Trump has warning labels, written by journalists, all over him. Did people pay attention before voting? No. They must think like 6ixStringJack, that it's whores "virtue signaling".



One thing does not preclude the other. I don't believe I ever said that it did.

Same goes for Trump voters. Don't forget that Hillary had plenty of warning labels all over her as well.

I'm not even defending Trump here. I'm just pointing out what a whore the guy is. Pick your sources better is all I'm saying.

The ghostwriter of Trump's autobiography is the best source in the world on Trump is all I'm saying.

I was warned that Hillary was a Democrat! And she murdered Vince Foster! And she was smuggling drugs in Arkansas onto secret airfields! Whitewater! Monica Lewinsky! That was just the Republicans. Bernie's people were horrified that Hillary cackled after a U.S. drone blew up Libyan ruler Moammar Khaddafi’s convoy, leading to his being sodomized by bayonet on video. Libyans denied their leader a life in retirement and appointing his second son to the highest office in the land and it is all Hillary's fault!
http://rall.com/2017/12/26/if-hillary-clinton-had-won



You basically talk about how it made the guy's skin crawl to write that book, and this after he wrote something scathing about the man he obviously did not like at all.

If what the man says is true, he is devoid of any shred of integrity. I don't find it strange that a guy like Trump would want him to write the book for him, do you? Really? Of course Trump would want the guy who just wrote a terrible article about him to write a book about his many virtues. If for no other reason to show him what a whore he would be for money.

Why should I believe anything the guy has to say about this now? I don't know who's offering him what to say whatever it is he's saying. Why should I believe he actually even believes what he's saying right now?

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You basically talk about how it made the guy's skin crawl to write that book, and this after he wrote something scathing about the man he obviously did not like at all.

If what the man says is true, he is devoid of any shred of integrity. I don't find it strange that a guy like Trump would want him to write the book for him, do you? Really? Of course Trump would want the guy who just wrote a terrible article about him to write a book about his many virtues. If for no other reason to show him what a whore he would be for money.

Why should I believe anything the guy has to say about this now? I don't know who's offering him what to say whatever it is he's saying. Why should I believe he actually even believes what he's saying right now?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Trump’s ghostwriter went into the job thinking that Trump is Badger, the small-time crook. But he is actually writing for a Niska, the major Firefly crook.

Sorrowfully, he discovers he works for a major gangster after he signed a contract. He learns that Trump is Niska while listening for hundreds of hours to Trump’s many phone calls where the cheating, lying sociopath swindles chumps out of their money. Trump makes the ghostwriter sick, but there is no going back to being a journalist because signing on with Trump ruined his reputation.

The ghostwriter is Mal who signed a contract for a dirty job to put lipstick on a pig named Trump. The ghostwriter admitted he needed Trump’s money to move from a one bedroom into a two bedroom apartment because his second child had been born. He bought his new apartment and then he turned down Trump's next job to write a sequel to The Art of the Deal for double the money. The ghostwriter refuses to sign another contract with Trump, now that he knows Trump's a Niska, not a Badger.

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Tuesday, January 2, 2018 8:44 PM

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Is this an excerpt from "Diary of a Whore?"

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Tuesday, January 2, 2018 10:03 PM

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Is this an excerpt from "Diary of a Whore?"

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That's offensive, Jack.

Writing well & coherently, making it interesting, can be hard work.


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Tuesday, January 2, 2018 10:17 PM

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What's offensive?

I was talking about Second's bullshit story trying to link what might have happened in Schwartz's past to Firefly, as if he was trying to explain it to a two year old.

I never said whores can't be good writers too. Just because Schwartz can string words together well doesn't make him any less of a whore.

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Tuesday, January 2, 2018 10:42 PM

OONJERAH


OK. In my generation, if we're not talking about the hookers on the street corner,
the word "whore" is an insult. "Ghost writer" is a respectable term.
I feel you meant to belittle Tony Schwartz ... without knowing him personally.


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Wednesday, January 3, 2018 4:59 AM

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I'm definitely insulting him. If that's what you meant, then yes I am being offensive to him. Anybody else taking offense to it does that of their own accord.

Quote:

whore
hôr/
nounderogatory
noun: whore; plural noun: whores

1.
a prostitute.
a promiscuous woman.

verb
verb: whore; 3rd person present: whores; past tense: whored; past participle: whored; gerund or present participle: whoring

1.
- (of a woman) work as a prostitute.
"she spent her life whoring for dangerous men"
synonyms: work as a prostitute, sell one's body, sell oneself, be on the streets
"she spent her life whoring"
- (of a man) use the services of prostitutes.
noun: whoring
"he lived by night, indulging in his two hobbies, whoring and eating"
synonyms: use prostitutes; archaicwench
"the men whored and drank"
- debase oneself by doing something for unworthy motives, typically to make money.
"he had never whored after money"



In this instance, I'm making a noun of of the 3rd verb of the definition.

Obviously I'm not implying that he has sex for money.


I can't put it any simpler, and Second knows this guy is not reliable and doesn't have any integrity, so he makes a back story for him that we're all supposed to feel sorry about and understand why he sold out.

Not buying it. I know plenty of people without money who don't whore themselves out for money. I know that might sound inconceivable to somebody as rich as Second is.

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By 2016, Schwartz said he had received some $1.6 million in royalty payments.[15] In October of that year, Schwartz said the royalties he was still receiving for the book "suddenly became, for me, blood money. I didn't want to be anywhere near it. It just feels wrong."[16] As a result, Schwartz said he would be donating the prior 6-months of royalties worth $55,000 to the National Immigration Law Center which advocates for more undocumented immigrants to remain in the USA legally. Schwartz had earlier donated royalties he received in the second half of 2015, worth $25,000, to a number of charities including the National Immigration Forum. Schwartz said he wanted to help the people Trump was attacking.


He's in virtue signaling mode. He got a 1.6+ million dollar payday for the last 30 years, and all of the sudden he feels that it's now blood money. If that's the case, I want to see you put up the other 1.6 million to charity, otherwise, you've sustained yourself nearly half of your life on blood. I can live off of roughly 4 to 6 thousand dollars a year. Surely you didn't need that $55,172 in royalty checks on top of whatever you make at your "job" was for the last 29 years, Mr. Schwartz. Where did all that blood money go?

Maybe "vampire" would be a more appropriate word than whore.

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Not buying it. I know plenty of people without money who don't whore themselves out for money. . . .

He's in virtue signaling mode. He got a 1.6+ million dollar payday for the last 30 years, and all of the sudden he feels that it's now blood money.

How about the alternative explanation? Trump has successfully practiced lying to people to swindle them for 33 years? Trump's ghostwriter, who wrote Trump's autobiography knows this because he listened to thousands of phone calls of Trump swindling people.

And Trump lied to you to get your vote?

You are calling Malcolm Reynolds a whore. I’m sure Mal would have accepted royalty payments from the book publisher of Patience’s autobiography, but he’s not working for her again, after what he’s seen. “I do the job. And then I get paid,” said both Malcolm Reynolds and Trump’s ghostwriter. “Go run your little world.” Then Mal never again works for Trump. Or Patience. Because they’re reprehensible people.

Once again, Trump's ghostwriter for his "autobiography" turned down Trump's offer for a second book where he could make twice as much as before, but the ghostwriter is not an idiot. He takes the royalties NOT from Trump but from the book company. He did the job. And then he gets paid. I am sure Mal would tell the 'Verse that Patience is a crook if she was running for President.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Trump had more to say: “Rex tells me you don’t want me to use the military option in Venezuela,” the president told the gathered Latin American leaders. “Is that right? Are you sure?” Everyone said they were sure. But they were rattled. War with Venezuela, as absurd as that seemed, was clearly still on Trump’s mind.

By the time the dinner was over, the leaders were in shock, and not just over the idle talk of armed conflict. No matter how prepared they were, this was not what they expected. A former senior U.S. official with whom I spoke was briefed by ministers from three of the four countries that attended the dinner. “Without fail, they just had wide eyes about the entire engagement,” the former official told me. Even if few took his martial bluster about Venezuela seriously, Trump struck them as uninformed about their issues and dangerously unpredictable, asking them to expend political capital on behalf of a U.S. that no longer seemed a reliable partner. “The word they all used was: ‘This guy is insane.’”

www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/02/donald-trump-foreign-policy
-analysis-dangerous-216202


So what the hell is going on? I believe that when it comes to Trump and the world, it’s not better than you think. It’s worse. The president is not playing the leadership role the rest of the world has come to expect from the United States, and the consequences are piling up.

Overseas, they’ve responded in various ways to Trump: opportunistically when Trump is on their side (Israel, Saudi Arabia); with over-the-top flattery when they want to keep him out of the way (China, Japan); and with simpleminded charts and pictures when they want to keep him from doing something unusually stupid (Germany and others).

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How about the alternative explanation? Trump has successfully practiced lying to people to swindle them for 33 years? Trump's ghostwriter, who wrote Trump's autobiography knows this because he listened to thousands of phone calls of Trump swindling people.



Maybe that's all true. I'm not buying it from that tainted source though.

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And Trump lied to you to get your vote?


What's your point? So did every politician ever. Including your beloved Hillary.

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You are calling Malcolm Reynolds a whore.


No. I'm not. You are.

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I’m sure Mal would have accepted royalty payments from the book publisher of Patience’s autobiography, but he’s not working for her again, after what he’s seen. “I do the job. And then I get paid,” said both Malcolm Reynolds and Trump’s ghostwriter. “Go run your little world.” Then Mal never again works for Trump. Or Patience. Because they’re reprehensible people.


I believe that mal would be a writer of books as much as I believe that Jayne would be.

It's possible that Simon or Book could have written Patiences' biography, but they never would have because of their integrity.

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Once again, Trump's ghostwriter for his "autobiography" turned down Trump's offer for a second book where he could make twice as much as before, but the ghostwriter is not an idiot.


Citation needed on the not an idiot part. He took the money with a clear conscious for 28 years and only in mid-2016 did he feel it was blood money? How convenient after cashing over 1.5 million dollars of blood money without any remorse.

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He takes the royalties NOT from Trump but from the book company.


So what? So why does he call it blood money now?

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He did the job. And then he gets paid. I am sure Mal would tell the 'Verse that Patience is a crook if she was running for President.


I don't think he would. Mal's an anti-hero. Not as far on the spectrum as Snake Plisken, for sure, but unless Patience winning the Presidency was going to negatively effect him or any of his crew, he wouldn't open his mouth about shit. Especially because it would put a spotlight on what a whore he would have been.... or just put a spotlight on him in general.

I think you need to re-watch Firefly. You don't seem to actually know anything about the characters.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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