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Saturday, February 3, 2018 10:18 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Lets see when all is said and done what news sources generally get what they report right. The mainstream media like some call it or FOX, Brightbart and zerohedge.

T




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Pretty clear conclusion.
As usual, MSM got every single thing wrong, and Real News got every single thing right. Right is Right. So, each entity accomplished their goal.

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Saturday, February 3, 2018 10:23 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Reposting, for the purpose of easy reference.

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Saturday, February 3, 2018 10:24 AM

THGRRI





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Saturday, February 3, 2018 10:31 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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T

such witty repore.
This posted 7 minutes ago.

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Saturday, February 3, 2018 11:27 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Of what significance was it that Steele, not a US citizen, should feel so passionate about who the United States elects as its President ?

Oh, it seems he's clearly biased in his motivation to get dirt on Trump, that much is clear. Would Mr Steele feel equally passionate about Obama ? Hillary ?

And Steele being interviewed by an FBI official ( Ohr ) whose wife works for... who ? FusionGPS - the very people which corroborated in the op / research intel gather against Trump in the 1st place.

CLEAR conflict of interest here folks, and there's just no damn way anyone can deny that.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, February 3, 2018 12:32 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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OTOH, the juvenile sophistry of CC and T further argues that the dolt who CC is the sockpuppet of, is T. Same defective logic process, just using bigger words to pretend he's not in grade school.

Whoops!
I just noticed that CC already admitted that he was the sockpuppet of G. Over in the Garden/Rain thread.

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Saturday, February 3, 2018 4:16 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://imgur.com/a/JbCxw



various versions from different media - the image at the link above is the nost complete




THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
February 2, 2018

The Honorable Devin Nunes
Chairman, House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
United States Capitol
Washington, DC 20515

Dear Mr. Chairman:

On January 29, 2018, the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (hereinafter “the Committee”) voted to disclose publicly a memorandum containing classified information provided to the Committee in connection with its oversight activities (the “Memorandum,” which is attached to this letter). As provided by clause 11(g) of Rule of the House of Representatives, the Committee has forwarded this Memorandum to the President based on its determination that the release of the Memorandum would serve the public interest.

The Constitution vests the President with the authority to protect national security secrets from it disclosure. As the Supreme Court has recognized, it is the President’s responsibility to classify, declassify, and control access to information bearing on our intelligence sources and methods and national defense. See, Dep of Navy v. Egan, 484 US. 518, 527 (1988). In order to facilitate appropriate congressional oversight, the Executive Branch may entrust classified information to the appropriate committees of Congress, as it has done in connection with the Committee’s oversight activities here. The Executive Branch does so on the assumption that the Committee will responsibly protect such classified information, consistent with the laws of the United States.

The Committee has now determined that the release of the Memorandum would be appropriate. The Executive Branch, across Administrations of both parties, has worked to accommodate congressional requests to declassify specific materials in the public interest. However, public release of classified information by unilateral action of the Legislative Branch is extremely rare and raises significant separation of powers concerns. Accordingly, the Committee’s request to release the Memorandum is interpreted as a request for declassification pursuant to the President’s authority.

The President understands that the protection of our national security represents his highest obligation. Accordingly, he has directed lawyers and national security staff to assess the declassification request, consistent with established standards governing the handling of classified information, including those under Section 3.1(d) of Executive Order 13526. Those standards permit declassification when the public interest in disclosure outweighs any need to protect the information. The White House review process also included input from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Justice. Consistent with this review and these standards, the President has determined that declassification of the Memorandum is appropriate.

Based on this assessment and in light of the significant public interest in the memorandum, the President has authorized the declassification of the Memorandum. To be clear, the Memorandum reflects the judgments of its congressional authors. The President understands that oversight concerning matters related to the Memorandum may be continuing. Though the circumstances leading to the declassification through this process are extraordinary, the Executive Branch stands ready to work with Congress to accommodate oversight requests consistent with applicable standards and processes, including the need to protect intelligence sources and methods.

Sincerely,
Donald F. McGahn II
Counsel to the President

cc: The Honorable Paul Ryan
Speaker of the House of Representatives

The Honorable Adam Schiff
Ranking Member, House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence

Declassified by order of the President
February 2, 2018

January 18, 2018

To: HPSCI Majority Members
From: HPSCI Majority Staff
Subject: Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Abuses at the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation

Purpose

This memorandum provides Members an update on significant facts relating to the Committee’s ongoing investigation into the Department of Justice (DOJ) and Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and their use of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) during the 2016 presidential election cycle. Our findings, which are detailed below, 1) raise concerns with the legitimacy and legality of certain DOJ and FBI interactions with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC), and 2) represent a troubling breakdown of legal processes established to protect the American people from abuses related to the FISA process.

Investigation Update

On October 21, 2016, DOJ and FBI sought and received a FISA probable cause order (not under Title VII) authorizing electronic surveillance on Carter Page from the FISC. Page is a US citizen who served as a volunteer advisor to the Trump presidential campaign. Consistent with requirements under FISA, the application had to be first certified by the Director or Deputy Director of the FBI. It then required the approval of the Attorney General, Deputy Attorney General (DAG), or the Senate-confirmed Assistant Attorney General for the National Security Division.

The FBI and DOJ obtained one initial FISA warrant targeting Carter Page and three FISA renewals from the FISC. As required by statute (50 U.S.C. 1805(d)(1)), a FISA order on an American citizen must be renewed by the ISC every 90 days and each renewal requires a separate finding of probable cause. Then-Director James Comey signed three FISA applications in question on behalf of the FBI, and Deputy Director Andrew McCabe signed one. Sally Yates, then-Acting DAG Dana Boente, and DAG Rod Rosenstein each signed one or more FISA applications on behalf of DOJ.

Due to the sensitive nature of foreign intelligence activity, FISA submissions (including renewals) before the ISC are classified. As such, the public’s confidence in the integrity of the FISA process depends on the court’s ability to hold the government to the highest standard — particularly as it relates to surveillance of American citizens. However, the rigor in protecting the rights of Americans, which is reinforced by 90-day renewals of surveillance orders, is necessarily dependent on the government’s production to the court of all material and relevant facts. This should include information potentially favorable to the target of the FISA application that is known by the government. In the case of Carter Page, the government had at least four independent opportunities before the FISC to accurately provide an accounting of the relevant facts. However, our findings indicate that, as described below, material and relevant information was omitted.

1) The “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application. Steele was a longtime FBI source who was paid over $160,000 by the DNC and Clinton campaign, via the law firm Perkins Coie and research firm Fusion GPS, to obtain derogatory information on Donald Trump’s ties to Russia.

a) Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior and FBI officials.

b) The initial FISA application notes Steele was working for a named U.S. person, but does not name Fusion GPS and principal Glenn Simpson, who was paid by a U.S. Law firm (Perkins Coie) representing the DNC (even though it was known by DOJ at the time that political actors were involved with the Steele dossier). The application does not mention Steele was ultimately working on behalf of — and paid by — the DNC and Clinton campaign, or that the FBI had separately authorized payment to Steele for the same information.

2) The Carter Page FISA application also cited extensively a September 23, 2016, Yahoo News article by Michael Isikoff, which focuses on Page’s July 2016 trip to Moscow. This article does not corroborate the Steele dossier because it is derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News. The Page FISA application incorrectly assesses that Steele did not directly provide information to Yahoo News. Steele has admitted in British court filings that he met with Yahoo News — and several other outlets – in September 2016 at the direction of Fusion GPS. Perkins Coie was aware of Steele’s initial media contacts because they hosted at least one meeting in Washington DC. in 2016 with Steele and Fusion GPS where this matter was discussed.”

a) Steele was suspended and then terminated as an FBI source for what the FBI defines as the most serious of violations — an unauthorized disclosure to the media of his relationship with the FBI in an October 30, 2016, Mother Jones article by David Corn. Steele should have been terminated for his previous undisclosed contacts with Yahoo and other outlets in September — before the Page application was submitted to the FISC in October — but Steele improperly concealed from and lied to the FBI about those contacts.

b) Steele’s numerous encounters with the media violated the cardinal rule of source handling — maintaining confidentiality — and demonstrated that Steele had become a less than reliable source for the FBI.

3) Before and after Steele was terminated as a source, he maintained contact with DOJ via then-Associate Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr, a senior DOJ official who worked closely with Deputy Attorneys General Yates and later Rosenstein. Shortly after the election, the FBI began interviewing Ohr, documenting his communications with Steele. For example, in September 2016, Steele admitted to Ohr his feelings against then-candidate Trump when Steele said he “was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president.” This clear evidence of Steele’s bias was recorded by Ohr at the time and subsequently in official FBI files – but not reflected in any of the Page FISA applications.

a) During this same time period, Ohr’s wife was employed by Fusion GPS to assist in the cultivation of opposition research on Trump. Ohr later provided the FBI with all of his wife’s opposition research, paid for by the DNC and Clinton campaign via Fusion GPS. The Ohrs’ relationship with Steele and Fusion GPS was inexplicably concealed from the FISC.

4) According to the head of the counterintelligence division, Assistant Director Bill Priestap, corroboration of the Steele dossier was in its “infancy” at the time of the initial Page FISA application. After Steele was terminated, a source validation report conducted by an independent unit within FBI assessed Steele’s reporting as only minimally corroborated. Yet, in early January 2017, Director Comey briefed President-elect Trump on a summary of the Steele dossier, even though it was — according to his June 2017 testimony – “salacious and unverified.” While the FISA application relied on Steele’s past record of credible reporting on other unrelated matters, it ignored or concealed his anti-Trump financial and ideological motivations. Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information.

5) The Page FISA application also mentions information regarding fellow Trump campaign advisor George Papadopoulos, but there is no evidence of any cooperation or conspiracy between Page and Papadopoulos. The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok. Strzok was reassigned by the Special Counsel’s Office to FBI Human Resources for improper text messages with his mistress, FBI Attorney Lisa Page (no known relation to Carter Page), where they both demonstrated a clear bias against Trump and in favor of Clinton, Whom Strzok had also investigated. The Strzok/Lisa Page texts also reflect extensive discussions about the investigation, orchestrating leaks to the media, and include a meeting with Deputy Director McCabe to discuss an “insurance” policy against President Trump’s election.






UNCLASSIFIED
Declassifed by order of the President
February 2, 2018

January 18, 2018
To: HPSCI Majority Members
From: HPSCI Majority Staff
Subject: Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Abuses at the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation
Purpose
This memorandum provides Members an update on significant facts relating to the
Committee's ongoing investigation into the Department of Justice (DOJ) and Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and their use of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (F ISA) during the 2016 presidential election cycle. Our findings, which are detailed below, 1) raise concerns with the legitimacy and legality of certain DOJ and FBI interactions with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC), and 2) represent a troubling breakdown of legal processes established to protect the American people from abuses related to the ISA process.
Investigation Update
On October 21, 2016, DOJ and FBI sought and received a ISA probable cause order (not under Title VII) authorizing electronic surveillance on Carter Page from the FISC. Page is a US citizen who served as a volunteer advisor to the Trump presidential campaign. Consistent with requirements under FISA, the application had to be first certified by the Director or Deputy Director of the FBI. It then required the approval of the Attorney General, Deputy Attorney General (DAG), or the Senate-confirmed Assistant Attorney General for the National Security Division.
The FBI and DOJ obtained one initial FISA warrant targeting Carter Page and three FISA renewals from the FISC. As required by statute (50 U.S.C. §1805(d)(1)), a FISA order on an American citizen must be renewed by the FISC every 90 days and each renewal requires a separate finding of probable cause. Then-Director James Comey signed three FISA applications in question on behalf of the FBI, and Deputy Director Andrew McCabe signed one. Sally Yates, then-Acting DAG Dana Boente, and DAG Rod Rosenstein each signed one or more FISA applications on behalf of DOJ.
Due to the sensitive nature of foreign intelligence activity, FISA submissions (including renewals) before the FISC are classified. As such, the public's confidence in the integrity of the FISA process depends on the court's ability to hold the government to the highest standard— particularly as it relates to surveillance of American citizens. However, the rigor in protecting the rights of Americans, which is reinforced by 90-day renewals of surveillance orders, is necessarily dependent on the government's production to the court of all material and relevant facts. This should include information potentially favorable to the target of the FISA application that is known by the government. In the case of Carter Page, the government had at least four independent opportunities before the FISC to accurately provide an accounting of the relevant facts. However, our findings indicate that, as described below, material and relevant information was omitted.
1) The "dossier" compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application. Steele was a longtime FBI source who was paid over $160,000 by the DNC and Clinton campaign, via the law firm Perkins Coie and research firm Fusion GPS, to obtain derogatory information on Donald Trump's ties to Russia.
a) Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele's efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior and FBI officials.
b) The initial FISA application notes Steele was working for a named U.S. person, but does not name Fusion GPS and principal Glenn Simpson, who was paid by a U.S. law firm (Perkins Coie) representing the DNC (even though it was known by DOJ at the time that political actors were involved with the Steele dossier). The application does not mention Steele was ultimately working on behalf of—and paid by—the DNC and Clinton campaign, or that the FBI had separately authorized payment to Steele for the same information.
2) The Carter Page FISA application also cited extensively a September 23, 2016, Yahoo News article by Michael Isikoff, which focuses on Page's July 2016 trip to Moscow. This article does not corroborate the Steele dossier because it is derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News. The Page FISA application incorrectly assesses that Steele did not directly provide information to Yahoo News. Steele has admitted in British court filings that he met with Yahoo News—and several other outlets—in September 2016 at the direction of Fusion GPS. Perkins Coie was aware of Steele's initial media contacts because they hosted at least one meeting in Washington D.C. in 2016 with Steele and Fusion GPS where this matter was discussed.
a) Steele was suspended and then terminated as an FBI source for what the FBI defines as the most serious of violations—an unauthorized disclosure to the media of his relationship with the FBI in an October 30, 2016, Mother Jones article by David Corn. Steele should have been terminated for his previous undisclosed contacts with Yahoo and other outlets in September—before the Page application was submitted to the FISC in October—but Steele improperly concealed from and lied to the FBI about those contacts.
b) Steele's numerous encounters with the media violated the cardinal rule of source handling—maintaining confidentiality—and demonstrated that Steele had become a less than reliable source for the FBI.
3) Before and after Steele was terminated as a source, he maintained contact with DOJ via then-Associate Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr, a senior DOJ official who worked closely with Deputy Attorneys General Yates and later Rosenstein. Shortly after the election, the FBI began interviewing Ohr, documenting his communications with Steele. For example, in September 2016, Steele admitted to Ohr his feelings against then-candidate Trump when Steele said he "was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not, being president." This clear evidence of Steele's bias was recorded by Ohr at the time and subsequently in official FBI files—but not reflected in any of the Page FISA applications.
a) During this same time period, Ohr's wife was employed by Fusion GPS to assist in the cultivation of opposition research on Trump. Ohr later provided the FBI with all of his wife's opposition research, paid for by the DNC and Clinton campaign via Fusion GPS. The Ohrs' relationship with Steele and Fusion GPS was inexplicably concealed from the FISC.
4) According to the head of the FBI's counterintelligence division, Assistant Director Bill Priestap, corroboration of the Steele dossier was in its "infancy" at the time of the initial Page FISA application. After Steele was terminated, a source validation report conducted by an independent unit within FBI assessed Steele's reporting as only minimally corroborated. Yet, in early January 2017, Director Comey briefed President-elect Trump on a summary of the Steele dossier, even though it was—according to his June 2017 testimony—"salacious and unverified." While the FISA application relied on Steele's past record of credible reporting on other unrelated matters, it ignored or concealed his anti-Trump financial and ideological motivations. Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information.
5) The Page FISA application also mentions information regarding fellow Trump campaign advisor George Papadopoulos, but there is no evidence of any cooperation or conspiracy between Page and Papadopoulos. The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok. Strzok was reassigned by the Special Counsel's Office to FBI Human Resources for improper text messages with his mistress, FBI Attorney Lisa Page (no known relation to Carter Page), where they both demonstrated a clear bias against Trump and in favor of Clinton, whom Strzok had also investigated. The Strzok/Lisa Page texts also reflect extensive discussions about the investigation, orchestrating leaks to the media, and include a meeting with Deputy Director McCabe to discuss an "insurance" policy against President Trump's election.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Saturday, February 3, 2018 4:51 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


summarized

investigation into the Department of Justice (DOJ) and Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and their use of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) during the 2016 presidential election cycle.


On October 21, 2016, DOJ and FBI sought and received a FISA probable cause order (not under Title VII) authorizing electronic surveillance on Carter Page
first certified by the Director or Deputy Director of the FBI
then approved by the Attorney General, Deputy Attorney General (DAG), or the Senate-confirmed Assistant Attorney General for the National Security Division.


The FBI and DOJ obtained one initial FISA warrant targeting Carter Page
requires probable cause
Director James Comey signed three FISA applications in question on behalf of the FBI, and Deputy Director Andrew McCabe signed one. Sally Yates, then-Acting DAG Dana Boente, and DAG Rod Rosenstein each signed one or more FISA applications on behalf of DOJ.

surveillance protection of American citizens dependst on the government’s production to the court of all material and relevant facts

1) “dossier”
a) funding by the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign was not disclosed
b) application does not mention Steele was working on behalf of — and paid by — the DNC and Clinton campaign, or that the FBI had separately authorized payment to Steele for the same information.

2) Carter Page FISA application cited a Yahoo News article by Michael Isikoff, but the article is not independent corroboration since it was derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News.
a) Steele was later terminated as an FBI source due to ongoing g actions during this time - Steele was an ongoing unreliable source
b) Steele said he “was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president.” Steele himself was biased.
However, Steele's strong bias, which could have affected his credibility as a source, was not disclosed in the application.
a) DOJ Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr, ongoing, Ohr’s wife was employed by Fusion GPS to aid opposition research on Trump.
Ohr gave the FBI with all of his wife’s opposition research. The relationships between Steele, Ohr, his wife, and Fusion GPS were concealed.
4) Head of the counterintelligence division, Assistant Director Bill Priestap, judged corroboration of the dossier as "in its infancy" when submitted to FISA.
Later it was judged as only minimally corroborated.
Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information.

5) The Page FISA application also mentions information regarding fellow Trump campaign advisor George Papadopoulos, but there is no evidence of any cooperation or conspiracy between Page and Papadopoulos. The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok.






HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Saturday, February 3, 2018 5:07 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


THIS was classified!??? My god, they'll classify ANYTHING!

And this reveals first of all, a concerted effort by biased individuals to use any pretext - no matter how flimsy - and skirt legal and ethical requirements - to pervert the process in order to 'get' Trump, for political motives. And second of all, how poorly we, the average US citizen, are protected from snooping by our so called justice system.

Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
summarized

investigation into the Department of Justice (DOJ) and Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and their use of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) during the 2016 presidential election cycle.


On October 21, 2016, DOJ and FBI sought and received a FISA probable cause order (not under Title VII) authorizing electronic surveillance on Carter Page
first certified by the Director or Deputy Director of the FBI
then approved by the Attorney General, Deputy Attorney General (DAG), or the Senate-confirmed Assistant Attorney General for the National Security Division.


The FBI and DOJ obtained one initial FISA warrant targeting Carter Page
requires probable cause
Director James Comey signed three FISA applications in question on behalf of the FBI, and Deputy Director Andrew McCabe signed one. Sally Yates, then-Acting DAG Dana Boente, and DAG Rod Rosenstein each signed one or more FISA applications on behalf of DOJ.

surveillance protection of American citizens dependst on the government’s production to the court of all material and relevant facts

1) “dossier”
a) funding by the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign was not disclosed
b) application does not mention Steele was working on behalf of — and paid by — the DNC and Clinton campaign, or that the FBI had separately authorized payment to Steele for the same information.

2) Carter Page FISA application cited a Yahoo News article by Michael Isikoff, but the article is not independent corroboration since it was derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News.
a) Steele was later terminated as an FBI source due to ongoing g actions during this time - Steele was an ongoing unreliable source
b) Steele said he “was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president.” Steele himself was biased.
However, Steele's strong bias, which could have affected his credibility as a source, was not disclosed in the application.
a) DOJ Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr, ongoing, Ohr’s wife was employed by Fusion GPS to aid opposition research on Trump.
Ohr gave the FBI with all of his wife’s opposition research. The relationships between Steele, Ohr, his wife, and Fusion GPS were concealed.
4) Head of the counterintelligence division, Assistant Director Bill Priestap, judged corroboration of the dossier as "in its infancy" when submitted to FISA.
Later it was judged as only minimally corroborated.
Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information.

5) The Page FISA application also mentions information regarding fellow Trump campaign advisor George Papadopoulos, but there is no evidence of any cooperation or conspiracy between Page and Papadopoulos. The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok.






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Saturday, February 3, 2018 6:52 PM

THGRRI


Memo's out, wait what



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Saturday, February 3, 2018 7:15 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


My first couple readings assumed the 4 FISA Warrants were all obtained on 21 October, and one was for Carter Page.
But it seems the 4 were for Carter Page. Initially on 21 October 2016. That would have expired by 19 January 2017. Next would expire 19 April. And next would expire 18 July.
Rod Rosenstein became DAG at the end of April 2017. So he would have been the DoJ signatory for the 4th application, the 3rd renewal.
Obamabot Sally Yates was DAG until 20 January, and then fired as Acting AG on 30 January. So while DAG, she must have been the DoJ signatory for the initial and first renewal.
Obamabot Comey was fired on 9 May, so he was the FBI signatory for the initial and first 2 renewals, and McCabe was for the 3rd renewal.

By 16 October 2017, there was apparently not additional application.

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Saturday, February 3, 2018 7:16 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Memo's out, wait what


T

Coherence escapes you?

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Saturday, February 3, 2018 8:39 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
THIS was classified!??? My god, they'll classify ANYTHING!

And this reveals...

second of all, how poorly we, the average US citizen, are protected from snooping by our so called justice system.



That was my takeaway from it.

What's scary to me is that in an effort to continue the fight against Trump, the MSM is actually getting people to say that there was nothing in the memo.

Wake up people. This has NOTHING to do with Trump at this point. If you were against the Patriot Act like I was, and I know a lot of you were, then this should be very worrisome to you.

In fact, declassifying and releasing this memo may very well be the best thing Trump does as president, even though he did it for his own agenda.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, February 3, 2018 8:54 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I keep forgetting to mention that I don't recall why The Memo has been referred to by some as The "Nunes" Memo. The authors of The Memo are the STAFF of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Majority Party members.
Nunes is only the Chairman of the Committee, not the STAFF of the Majority.
Who attached the Nunes label to it?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
THIS was classified!??? My god, they'll classify ANYTHING!

And this reveals...

second of all, how poorly we, the average US citizen, are protected from snooping by our so called justice system.

That was my takeaway from it.

What's scary to me is that in an effort to continue the fight against Trump, the MSM is actually getting people to say that there was nothing in the memo.

Wake up people. This has NOTHING to do with Trump at this point. If you were against the Patriot Act like I was, and I know a lot of you were, then this should be very worrisome to you.

In fact, declassifying and releasing this memo may very well be the best thing Trump does as president, even though he did it for his own agenda.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Seeing the light.

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Sunday, February 4, 2018 8:00 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Originally posted by SIGNYM: "So far, everything I have posted has been EVEN WRONGER."

That the memo is meant to lead to indictment of various officials. WRONG: The memo makes the case for inadmissibility of evidence.

EVEN WRONGER: I never said "it was meant to lead to indictment of various officials." Thanks for making sh*t up.

That one must have "malicious intent" to be prosecuted. WRONG: There are all kinds of security breaches and process crimes which do NOT require "intent"

EVEN WRONGER: I never said "one must have "malicious intent" to be prosecuted."

That the Trump Administration is "circling the wagons" around Carter Page. WRONG: The memo exposes the deep state's acting against an elected President.

EVEN WRONGER: In truth, the memo actually shows the FBI acting appropriately to find the connections between a presidential campaign staffer and a foreign adversary.

That the memo "flopped". WRONG: The memo has already had a significant impact on Americans of all parties (or none) and only extreme partisans and propagandists (such as yourself) would say otherwise.

EVEN WRONGER: The memo has had impact on Trump Cultists only, as most of us knew beforehand.

Originally posted by SIGNYM: "I'm continuing to build up quite a legacy of being stupid and irrelevant. Pretty soon, my impact will be circling the drain."

RIGHT!

Face it - it was just another stunt that failed. Trump sure must be terrified of something (Mueller?). We'll see if he releases the Dem's Memo and what that has to say Monday. I wonder if he will? He's kind of in a bind - he sure looks guilty if he doesn't, and it will likely cut this memo off at the knees if he does (to any non-cult member that is).

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Sunday, February 4, 2018 9:57 AM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Sunday, February 4, 2018 10:16 AM

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America loves a winner!




DING DING DING !

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Sunday, February 4, 2018 1:08 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


DING DING DING !



It is being used for good rappy so why are you guys complaining?


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Sunday, February 4, 2018 3:14 PM

THGRRI


rappy, jack, jsf, ikiki,the memo unmasked carter page as a person being investigated. Doing so informed the Russians to beware.

I'm sure that now you've all had a chance to consider this you will be outraged at the republicans. Outraged for the dishonest, political way they undermined our countries attempt to get to the bottom of Russia's interference in our elections.


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Sunday, February 4, 2018 3:34 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Originally posted by SIGNYM: "So far, everything I have posted has been EVEN WRONGER."

That the memo is meant to lead to indictment of various officials. WRONG: The memo makes the case for inadmissibility of evidence.

EVEN WRONGER: I never said "it was meant to lead to indictment of various officials." Thanks for making sh*t up.

That one must have "malicious intent" to be prosecuted. WRONG: There are all kinds of security breaches and process crimes which do NOT require "intent"

EVEN WRONGER: I never said "one must have "malicious intent" to be prosecuted."

That the Trump Administration is "circling the wagons" around Carter Page. WRONG: The memo exposes the deep state's acting against an elected President.

EVEN WRONGER: In truth, the memo actually shows the FBI acting appropriately to find the connections between a presidential campaign staffer and a foreign adversary.

That the memo "flopped". WRONG: The memo has already had a significant impact on Americans of all parties (or none) and only extreme partisans and propagandists (such as yourself) would say otherwise.

EVEN WRONGER: The memo has had impact on Trump Cultists only, as most of us knew beforehand.

Originally posted by SIGNYM: "I'm continuing to build up quite a legacy of being stupid and irrelevant. Pretty soon, my impact will be circling the drain."

RIGHT!

Face it - it was just another stunt that failed. Trump sure must be terrified of something (Mueller?). We'll see if he releases the Dem's Memo and what that has to say Monday. I wonder if he will? He's kind of in a bind - he sure looks guilty if he doesn't, and it will likely cut this memo off at the knees if he does (to any non-cult member that is).

The return of somebody with syntax confusion.

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Sunday, February 4, 2018 4:14 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

The return of somebody with syntax confusion.



That's what doctors are for. Maybe, and that's a big maybe, one can help you.


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Sunday, February 4, 2018 8:03 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.







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Sunday, February 4, 2018 8:56 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Posting for closer comparison, to negotiate cypher decoding of CC:
This was posted yesterday morning.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
CRUNCH: So far, everything you posted has been wrong:

That the memo is meant to lead to indictment of various officials. WRONG: The memo makes the case for inadmissibility of evidence.

That one must have "malicious intent" to be prosecuted. WRONG: There are all kinds of security breaches and process crimes which do NOT require "intent"

That the Trump Administration is "circling the wagons" around Carter Page. WRONG: The memo exposes the deep state's acting against an elected President.

That the memo "flopped". WRONG: The memo has already had a significant impact on Americans of all parties (or none) and only extreme partisans and propagandists (such as yourself) would say otherwise.

You're building up quite a history of being stupid and irrelevant. Pretty soon, YOUR impact will be circling the drain.

I don't think CC is quite smart enough for any of that to sink in.
Pretty much all of the 30 plus facts laid out in The Memo have already been known, yet some noggins still retain the FACTS Vaccine immunity.

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Sunday, February 4, 2018 9:05 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


This was a few hours before:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Deeeeeep breath..... and go!

Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Your Libtard dismissal of this criminal orchestration of maliciously persecuting innocent American Citizens belies your abysmal ethics, morality, and integrity. The common, everyday occurrence and practice you imply it is or should be, it is not - nor should it ever be, despite the totalitarian and dictatorial hopes of you and other Libtards. You, yourself have rendered your opinion moot in the Land of Liberty, Justice, and Freedom.

Carter Page is hardly "an innocent American." I love how people have no clue of who he is or his history and yet rush to defend him. Do some reading.

Also, he is not the guy who was going to bring Trump down, so why Team Trump chose to circle their wagons over him is curious. Must have nothing else or because they got to say, "The Dossier" over and over and over. They know how well simple phrases work with their base. "Dossier? Hey Luther, isn't that French!?!"

So The Memo flopped, but cheer up, there's light ahead... wait for it... Phase II! Nunes is quickly trying to rush past the embarrassment that was Phase I. They're laughing stocks now, how much worse will it get with Phase II? I can't wait.

Fwiw: Trump obviously signed off on this joke, grabbed some fries and a Big Mac and went down to FLA and waited for the returns to see if there was enough outrage so could use it to justify firing Rosenstein. If you can't see that you have the brains of a turnip.

#ReleaseTheTaxes

ADHD basking in its own glorious ignorance.
This one sounds almost as bad as derailed Late Night Jimmy.

Because!!! Trump!!!

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Sunday, February 4, 2018 9:08 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


And this was Friday afternoon:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Even less here than I first thought (naturally). I'm sure the Trump lovers will now commence to say how Awesome! it is. It basically just repeats what Fux News says every day, "Steele Dossier, Text Messages, Clinton..." Sorry, but you can't fire people because they hate Trump (or Clinton, or Bush, or Obama, Or Reagan, or...).
If you can find and prove malicious intent you might have something - but that's not here. Carter Page had enough contacts with enough Russians that he deserved to be watched - that's basic national security.

Your Libtard dismissal of this criminal orchestration of maliciously persecuting innocent American Citizens belies your abysmal ethics, morality, and integrity. The common, everyday occurrence and practice you imply it is or should be, it is not - nor should it ever be, despite the totalitarian and dictatorial hopes of you and other Libtards.

You, yourself have rendered your opinion moot in the Land of Liberty, Justice, and Freedom.



Also, are you endorsing Fox News as the only presenter of Real News, the Real Facts, Real Truth, all while the MSM has been furiously avoiding, denying, spinning any semblance of this actual HISTORIC Real News Story?
In unrelated news, a flock of pigs was sighted in the skies of NYC.....


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Sunday, February 4, 2018 9:12 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Deciphering the convoluted syntax that is the hallmark of G, and his sockpuppet CC:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Originally posted by SIGNYM: "So far, everything I have posted has been EVEN WRONGER."

That the memo is meant to lead to indictment of various officials. WRONG: The memo makes the case for inadmissibility of evidence.

EVEN WRONGER: I never said "it was meant to lead to indictment of various officials." Thanks for making sh*t up.

technically, correct. Your post did not specify this, but your "you can't fire people for hating Trump" does imply you were under the same Delusions as others claiming the indictment red herring. And you seemed ignorant of the purpose of The HPSCI Staff Memo. Both of which Signym attempted to help you understand your errors.
Quote:

That one must have "malicious intent" to be prosecuted. WRONG: There are all kinds of security breaches and process crimes which do NOT require "intent"

EVEN WRONGER: I never said "one must have "malicious intent" to be prosecuted."

The part where you said "if you can find and prove malicious intent you might have something" might be where you said "malicious intent" - despite your lying denials.
Quote:

That the Trump Administration is "circling the wagons" around Carter Page. WRONG: The memo exposes the deep state's acting against an elected President.

EVEN WRONGER: In truth, the memo actually shows the FBI acting appropriately to find the connections between a presidential campaign staffer and a foreign adversary.

Felony falsifying evidence, Felony ommission of facts in Application to Court, Felony lying to FISA Court, Felony fraudulent Application for Warrant - these Felony Federal Crimes do not qualify as "appropriate actions" by FBI, Officers of The Court, or anybody else. Your proclamation that they ARE renders your view imbecilic.
Also, manufacturing or fabricating "the connections" is not the same thing as "find the connections".
Quote:

That the memo "flopped". WRONG: The memo has already had a significant impact on Americans of all parties (or none) and only extreme partisans and propagandists (such as yourself) would say otherwise.

EVEN WRONGER: The memo has had impact on Trump Cultists only, as most of us knew beforehand.

Almost intriguing that you, of the most delusional of Libtards and Democraps, would pretend to speak for a majority of rational, reasonable, critically thinking, non-Libtard undelusional American Citizens.
More accurately, all Americans who believe in Freedom, Liberty, Rule of Law, Bill of Rights, The Constitution, and presumption of Innocence are impacted, and only you ultra-Libtards are immune to Facts. Just like Signym stated in other words.
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM: "I'm continuing to build up quite a legacy of being stupid and irrelevant. Pretty soon, my impact will be circling the drain."
OK, very simply, this is a complete fabrication of a quote that you have invented. No surprise that FAKE QUOTES are what you resort to, since all facts and truths prove you wrong.

And next will be self-congratulation on your lies, denials of truth, Fake Quotes, plus red herrings, diversions, deflections, spin, and further delusions of the Libtard Mantra:
Quote:

RIGHT!

Face it - it was just another stunt that failed. Trump sure must be terrified of something (Mueller?). We'll see if he releases the Dem's Memo and what that has to say Monday. I wonder if he will? He's kind of in a bind - he sure looks guilty if he doesn't, and it will likely cut this memo off at the knees if he does (to any non-cult member that is).

The return of somebody with syntax confusion.

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Monday, February 5, 2018 12:06 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


The democrats, the FBI, and the State Department are Trump's biggest boosters. Instead of formulating a coherent, overt, political response to republicans, their machinations only make them look worse - and Trump look good by comparison.


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/a-new-poll-looks-mighty-g
rim-for-democrats.html

A New Poll Looks Mighty Grim for Democrats
http://time.com/5132016/donald-trump-approval-rating-rasmussen/
Rasmussen Reports’ daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday listed Trump’s approval rating at 49% among likely U.S. voters, the highest approval rating Trump has earned since March 7, 2017.



So, if the mid-terms go south for the dems, who are they going to blame this time? RUSSIA ! is already played out.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Monday, February 5, 2018 12:16 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
rappy, jack, jsf, ikiki,the memo unmasked carter page as a person being investigated. Doing so informed the Russians to beware.



That is a legitimate way of looking at it.

Although, if you don't believe that the Russians have been careful during every step of the plot you believe they're hatching, I don't understand why you're so afraid of them.

Like OSHA 101, I would imagine that Espionage 101 focuses mainly on Safety First.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, February 5, 2018 4:32 AM

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Then dismantling the Rule of Law is a good thing.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The REAL problem ... one based in both parties ....

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Monday, February 5, 2018 4:44 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Just so that we get the news that's Fair and Balanced......

Quote:

Trump’s approval rating during his first year in office stayed between 35% and 45%, the worst of the seven most recent presidents, according to Gallup. Nonetheless, a late 2017 Gallup poll found that Trump is the second-most admired man in the U.S., after only his predecessor, Barack Obama.
An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll from around the same time, however, found that only 36% of registered voters would support Trump for reelection in 2020.
In the latest Rasmussen poll, which dropped just a few days after Trump’s first State of the Union address, 35% of respondents said they “strongly approve” of Trump’s performance, versus 38% who “strongly disapprove.”




SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
The democrats, the FBI, and the State Department are Trump's biggest boosters. Instead of formulating a coherent, overt, political response to republicans, their machinations only make them look worse - and Trump look good by comparison.


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/a-new-poll-looks-mighty-g
rim-for-democrats.html

A New Poll Looks Mighty Grim for Democrats
http://time.com/5132016/donald-trump-approval-rating-rasmussen/
Rasmussen Reports’ daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday listed Trump’s approval rating at 49% among likely U.S. voters, the highest approval rating Trump has earned since March 7, 2017.



So, if the mid-terms go south for the dems, who are they going to blame this time? RUSSIA ! is already played out.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Monday, February 5, 2018 5:23 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Where's the link? Because you seem to be talking about something virtually unrelated to what I was talking about, which is Trump's RECENT zoom upwards in approval ratings.

Here's some more for you:

CBS News: 43% Of Democrats Approved Of Trump's State Of The Union; Buries Poll RealClearPolitics · 2 days ago

Poll: 75 percent of voters approve of Trump's State of the Union | TheHill
thehill.com/.../371597-poll-75-percent-of-voters-approve-of-trumps-state-of-the-unio...
5 days ago - Still, Trump outperformed among all these groups, with 97 percent of Republicans, 72




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Monday, February 5, 2018 6:32 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So, I'm going to make a general observation. For MONTHS I kept pointing out what a toxic candidate Hillary was. And for MONTHS I've been pointing out, and will continue to point out, what a disgrace the dem party is.

You're clinging to an iron anchor hoping it'll stay afloat and exhorting us to join you. Good luck with that.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Monday, February 5, 2018 9:34 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
rappy, jack, jsf, ikiki,the memo unmasked carter page as a person being investigated. Doing so informed the Russians to beware.



That is a legitimate way of looking at it.

Although, if you don't believe that the Russians have been careful during every step of the plot you believe they're hatching, I don't understand why you're so afraid of them.

Like OSHA 101, I would imagine that Espionage 101 focuses mainly on Safety First.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



Carter Page could've been working as a double agent moron. We have no way of knowing. That's one example of what it was wrong.


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Monday, February 5, 2018 9:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, I'm going to make a general observation. For MONTHS I kept pointing out what a toxic candidate Hillary was. And for MONTHS I've been pointing out, and will continue to point out, what a disgrace the dem party is.

You're clinging to an iron anchor hoping it'll stay afloat and exhorting us to join you. Good luck with that.







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Monday, February 5, 2018 9:38 AM

THGRRI



Memo's out, wait what, that's it!!






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Monday, February 5, 2018 10:19 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki: For MONTHS I kept pointing out what a toxic candidate Hillary was. And for MONTHS I've been pointing out, and will continue to point out, what a disgrace the dem party is.


You won't get any arguments from me on either. If the Republicans could have run someone other than one of the 17 clowns that ran I would have easily voted against her. And now we have this huge moral vacuum that Trump has created and no one from the Dems to fill it. A wasted opportunity. But seriously, is anyone surprised? I don't see much change coming down the road.

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Monday, February 5, 2018 10:23 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:

Vid




Great vid, T., Perfect analogy. I am reminded of the saying, "It's wisest to under promise and over deliver." Trump TV must not have ever heard that one. More like all they care about is getting eyeballs and ears, so once they had milked this one to death and it flopped, they will just move on to the next fraudulent piece of junk. Uranium 2!

"Thee biggest dud in American political history."

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Monday, February 5, 2018 11:02 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Carter Page could've been working as a double agent moron. We have no way of knowing.



Maybe he was *gasp* a triple agent!!! We just have no way of knowing.

Quote:

That's one example of what it was wrong.


That's one example of an incomplete sentence.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, February 5, 2018 11:31 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki: For MONTHS I kept pointing out what a toxic candidate Hillary was. And for MONTHS I've been pointing out, and will continue to point out, what a disgrace the dem party is.


You won't get any arguments from me on either. If the Republicans could have run someone other than one of the 17 clowns that ran I would have easily voted against her. And now we have this huge moral vacuum that Trump has created and no one from the Dems to fill it. A wasted opportunity. But seriously, is anyone surprised? I don't see much change coming down the road.



I think the point has been skirted. While 1kiki did as she says, she doesn't admit to waging war on Clinton during the election while giving Trump, the worst of the two candidates, a pass. She only spoke about Trump on rare occasions. Smooth but deceitful. Her way of campaigning for Trump.


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Monday, February 5, 2018 11:39 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:

Vid




Great vid, T., Perfect analogy. I am reminded of the saying, "It's wisest to under promise and over deliver." Trump TV must not have ever heard that one. More like all they care about is getting eyeballs and ears, so once they had milked this one to death and it flopped, they will just move on to the next fraudulent piece of junk. Uranium 2!

"Thee biggest dud in American political history."



Thing is, he had good reviews for his state of the union speech. Well, kinda good. Yet this memo thing stepped all over that in a big way it was such a dud.

And as time goes by it gets worse. The ways in which this was reckless and political by the republicans are still being expanded upon.

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Monday, February 5, 2018 11:40 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:

I think the point has been skirted. While 1kiki did as she says, she doesn't admit to waging war on Clinton during the election while giving Trump, the worst of the two candidates, a pass. She only spoke about Trump on rare occasions. Smooth but deceitful. Her way of campaigning for Trump.




I find Trump cultists and general pro-Trump people to be some of the most effective anti-Trump *tools* around.

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Monday, February 5, 2018 11:46 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:

I think the point has been skirted. While 1kiki did as she says, she doesn't admit to waging war on Clinton during the election while giving Trump, the worst of the two candidates, a pass. She only spoke about Trump on rare occasions. Smooth but deceitful. Her way of campaigning for Trump.




I find Trump cultists and general pro-Trump people to be some of the most effective anti-Trump *tools* around.



Agreed, the exposed lies are growing to an unsurmountable obstacle for the republicans to overcome.


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Monday, February 5, 2018 12:34 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Of course you two knuckleheads do. Surrounded by your echo chamber hive-mind.

Hate to break it to you, but you're not in the majority. But do keep fighting the good fight, mkay?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, February 5, 2018 12:41 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:


Memo released, where's the beef?




I guess you missed the part where the FISA court was lied to, multiple times, as the FBI presented " intel " which wasn't vetted and actually was little more than paid for op-research by a political party ( Democrats ) , which is laughably the OPPOSITE of what is required for a warrant to be issued.


Yeah, you're not too bright, are you ?

Didn't think so.




What's the matter ? Can't answer a simple question ? Run along and find an MSNBC clip which addresses what I asked, if you can't come up w/ your own reply.

Coward.



Your information is either made up or comes from fake news rappy. I was just giving it time to be flushed out. Now, lets see cites proving what you claim.


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Monday, February 5, 2018 12:55 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


DING DING DING !



Hey rappy, your guy Nunes can't seem to be honest about anything. It's cry wolf, one lie after another. What a moron. I wonder if he's related to Jack?


Nunes claims there's no evidence Papadopoulos ever met Trump despite photo

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) in a Monday morning interview said there is no evidence former Trump campaign advisor George Papadopoulos met with President Trump, despite a widely-disseminated photo of the two sitting around the same table for a meeting.

"If Papadopoulos was such a major figure, you had nothing on him, you know, the guy lied," Nunes told "Fox & Friends." "As far as we can tell, Papadopoulos never even knew who - never even had met with the president."

Papadopoulos, a former foreign policy advisor to the Trump campaign, is included in a photo that shows then-candidate Trump and then-Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) sitting at opposite heads of a table.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nunes-claims-theres-no-evidenc
e-papadopoulos-ever-met-trump-despite-photo/ar-BBIJo6C?li=AA5a8k&ocid=spartanntp



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Monday, February 5, 2018 4:38 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Of course you two knuckleheads do. Surrounded by your echo chamber hive-mind.

Hate to break it to you, but you're not in the majority. But do keep fighting the good fight, mkay?

Couldn't you at least have asked them to continue their good fight in their own thread, however delusional and untrafficked it may be? Instead of cluttering up worthwhile threads of actual discussion with their unrelated childish nonsense?

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Monday, February 5, 2018 8:46 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Of course you two knuckleheads do. Surrounded by your echo chamber hive-mind.

Hate to break it to you, but you're not in the majority. But do keep fighting the good fight, mkay?

Couldn't you at least have asked them to continue their good fight in their own thread, however delusional and untrafficked it may be? Instead of cluttering up worthwhile threads of actual discussion with their unrelated childish nonsense?



lol. You ask that question as if they'd ever listen to anything I say. That's cute.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, February 5, 2018 9:56 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Sounds like the Control The Spin Memo from Spin Doctor Schiff was approved by the House for release. AKA the Democrat Memo.

And where is the FISC Judge, why hasn't he hauled in these clown who contempted his Court, lying to him, etc?

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Tuesday, February 6, 2018 8:43 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


The president’s lawyers are playing a weak hand here. If they decline an interview and Mueller issues a subpoena, Trump has to testify without benefit of counsel. With the Starr precedent to back him up, all Mueller has to do is give them a simple choice: Trump can testify either voluntarily with counsel or under subpoena without counsel. What’s it going to be?

Trump is on thin ice for another reason: he can tweet all he wants about this being a witch hunt, but this investigation isn’t being run by Democrats and Mueller wasn’t appointed by a bunch of liberals. Unless you believe that the FBI is a hotbed of socialism — and nobody believes that except for Trump’s true believer fans — this whole thing is a conservative show from start to finish. Hillary Clinton isn’t involved. Nancy Pelosi isn’t involved. Chuck Schumer and Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders aren’t involved. There’s just no way to credibly paint this as a partisan inquisition.

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Tuesday, February 6, 2018 10:27 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Of course you two knuckleheads do. Surrounded by your echo chamber hive-mind.

Hate to break it to you, but you're not in the majority. But do keep fighting the good fight, mkay?




Guilty as charged: I primarily listen and read sources that I believe make the most sense. I don't think they are always right, but they are to me obviously more intelligent and truthful and abide by older, more honorable codes of professional and responsible journalism than Fux, Zero, rt, Breitbart, New Republic, and others.

Also: Majority of what?

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