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RUSSIAGATE & UKRAINE: HOW THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION HEIGHTENS THE WAR DANGER
THE CASE OF PAUL MANAFORT

It is not exactly a secret that so-called neo-conservatives in the U.S. State Department and the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), in conjunction with “left-wing” speculator and City of London operative George Soros, collaborated in the regime change coup in Ukraine in February 2014, which overthrew the democratically-elected government of Viktor Yanukovych. Former Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Eurasian Affairs, the unabashed neocon Victoria Nuland, bragged that the U.S. and related agencies, such as the NED, spent $5 billion to lay the groundwork for the coup.

What is not generally known, however, due to the lying coverage in the Transatlantic “Fake News” media, is that included in this unholy alliance of coup plotters were armed militia units made up of neo-Nazis, who were responsible for the bloodshed on Maidan Square in Kiev, and which threatened the ethnic Russians, which constitute the majority of the population in the eastern Ukraine regions of Donetsk and Luhansk. The lie that there was no neo-Nazi involvement has been maintained, despite ample evidence to the contrary, including interviews with militants pronouncing admiration for Hitler’s collaborators in the Bandera movement in Ukraine during World War II, when Ukrainian units murdered ethnic Poles, Russians, and other “non-Ukrainians”, including Ukrainian Jews. The armed “Banderistas” and related thugs have been incorporated into the security apparatus of the Kiev regime, and continue to march in the halls of Parliament and on the streets, under banners with pictures of Bandera, the Nazi collaborator, and symbols going back to their alliance with the Nazi SS.

The coup provoked a chain of events which the U.S., London and NATO used as justification to impose punitive sanctions against Russia, while demonizing Russia’s President Putin, asserting that the he was engaged in military operations in Crimea and eastern Ukraine, to reverse the coup. Efforts to stop the fighting between the regime’s armed forces and ethnic Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine led to the Minsk Accord in 2015, which included a cease fire and the granting of autonomy for Donetsk and Luhansk. The Minsk Accord was brokered by France, Germany and Russia.

On January 18, 2018, the Ukrainian Parliament ripped up the Minsk Accord, referring to the two republics as “temporarily occupied” by an “aggressor country,” that is, Russia, and vowed to reintegrate them, by military force if necessary. This bill, which received the full support of Ukraine’s President Poroshenko, has been described by the Russian Foreign Ministry as “a preparation for a new war.” It occurs simultaneously with an outburst of war-like propaganda from western neocons, typified by a report from the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), released on February 20 with the title, “Coping with Surprise in Great Power Conflicts.” The report charges that both Russia and China are preparing for war against the U.S., and that the Russians are deploying forces and artillery to overrun the Baltic states in a lightning strike, to reincorporate them into a new Russian empire!

What is also not yet publicly known, but is now coming into focus due to Congressional investigations of the role of British secret agent, Christopher Steele, a “former” MI6 operative, is that the dirty alliance behind the coup, and the subsequent escalation of anti-Russian, war-like hysteria, is the same network running the Russiagate scam as a regime change coup against U.S. President Trump.

THE CASE OF PAUL MANAFORT

This background is necessary to understand the vicious hostility behind the targeting of Paul Manafort, a long-time U.S. political operative, by the “amoral legal assassin”, special counsel Robert Mueller. Manafort, who served as Donald Trump’s campaign manager at a key moment in his fight to secure the Republican nomination, from May to August 2016, was indicted by Mueller on October 27, 2017, charged with numerous counts of money laundering, tax fraud, not registering as an agent of a foreign government, and of making false statements to the FBI. Mueller filed a revised indictment on February 28, 2018, following his “turning” of Manafort’s partner Rick Gates, who filed a guilty plea to a single count on February 22. While awaiting trial in September, Manafort is confined to house arrest.

None of the charges against Manafort are related to the initial mandate given to Mueller, by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, to investigate the allegations of Russian hacking and sundry meddling in the 2016 election, and whether Donald Trump had “colluded” with the Russians. However, they are directly related to the geopolitical manipulations against Russia, which have been sharply criticized by Trump, both as a candidate and as President.

Manafort was first placed under surveillance following a FISA Court order in 2014. FISA, the super-secret court set up as part of the post-9/11 apparat to spy on potential terrorists, granted the surveillance order as part of an investigation into alleged illegal lobbying on behalf of the Yanukovych government of Ukraine by Manafort and others. Note that the timing of the court order coincided with the 2014 coup in Ukraine. Manafort had been working for several years as an adviser to the Party of the Regions, which was the party of President Yanukovych, who was overthrown by the regime change coup.

The original FISA warrant targeting Manafort was subsequently not renewed, for lack of evidence. A second order, however, was approved by the FISA Court for surveillance of Manafort sometime during 2016 — the exact date of the order has not been released — likely around the time Manafort took over the reins of the Trump campaign. Manafort played a key role in holding the Trump coalition together heading into the Republican convention July 18-21, as Bush-directed “Never-Trumpers” were attempting to steal the nomination away from him.

Prior to the convention, Manafort was involved in the successful fight to remove language from the party’s platform which called for providing lethal weapons to the Poroshenko government, allegedly to fight against “Russian subversion.” Manafort had the backing of Trump for this, as Trump had campaigned for an end to U.S. support for regime change wars, such as the Obama-neocon coup in Ukraine.

Democratic Senator Ben Cardin, a leading campaigner for tougher sanctions against Russia — he was one of the authors of the initial anti-Russia sanctions, in the Magnitsky Act — accused Trump and Manafort of changing the platform to benefit Russia, which he accused of robbing Ukraine of sovereignty! It is now reported that Manafort’s role in changing the language in the platform is “under investigation” by Mueller!

(Manafort was also instrumental in including a plank supporting restoration of Glass Steagall banking separation, something vehemently opposed by Wall Street and the City of London financial institutions.)

It was during this same time period, June and July, once it was evident that, barring some unforeseen event, Trump would be the Republican nominee, that the anti-Trump activities of the “Deep State” went into high gear. While the “Never Trumpers” were unsuccessfully plotting to prevent his nomination at the convention, Christopher Steele began churning out memos, paid for by the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee, which included wild claims about Putin’s secret service filming Trump in compromising sexual activity during the 2013 Miss Universe contest in Moscow. His first memo was written on June 20, 2016, and he met for the first time with an FBI official on July 5, 2016.

It was also in June that CIA Director John Brennan was briefed by GCHQ Director Hannigan, on “evidence” compiled by his agency, of “suspicious” activity they had picked up on Russian activity with Trump. GCHQ is Britain’s cyber security intelligence agency, which works directly with MI5 and MI6. Brennan then pulled together an inter-agency task force to investigate the British charges of Russian activity. Among those in the FBI unit which was part of this task force were the now-famous duo, Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, whose extensive text messaging shows that they were engaged in creating the fake narrative of “Russian meddling and Trump collusion”. One text spoke of developing the Russiagate narrative to either defeat Trump in November, or provide an “insurance policy” against him, if he won.

This incriminating text describes the meeting as taking place in “Andy’s office”, a reference to the now-fired Deputy Director of the FBI, Andrew McCabe, who told a Congressional hearing that there would have been no surveillance warrant issued by the FISA court in October 2016 against Trump campaign volunteer Carter Page, had it not been for the Steele dossier.

Nunes has sent a list of ten questions regarding how the Steele’s dossier shaped the anti-Trump mobilization of Obama’s intelligence agencies. Among those receiving the list of ten questions are James Comey, the former FBI director fired by Trump, Obama’s Director of National Intelligence Clapper, Brennan and Victoria Nuland. They are given until March 2 to answer, or they will face subpoenas. What Nunes is looking for is answers as to when the Steele dossier was brought to their attention, by whom, what actions were taken in response to it, its role in the submission to the FISA Court, and whether President Obama was briefed on what the dossier contained. They lay the basis for possible indictments against those receiving the questions, and for Steele. Senators Grassley and Graham have already stated they believe charges should be filed against Steele, who has thus far been protected by Her Majesty’s government, which has acted to prevent Steele from being brought before a court of law.

STEELE AND THE UKRAINIAN CONNECTION

But Steele’s role in shaping U.S. policy predates the setting up of the Get Trump task force. Both Nunes and Grassley are investigating Steele’s connections with the U.S. State Department, including with the notorious Nuland. They are looking into the role of Jonathan Winer, a former assistant Secretary of State who served as a long-time aide to former Secretary of State John Kerry. Winer befriended Steele in 2009, when they were collaborating on investigations of Russian “corruption”.

Beginning in 2013, Steele drafted more than 100 memos on Ukraine and Russia, and passed these on to Winer, who was then a special assistant to Kerry on Libya, which had been destroyed in a Clinton-Obama regime change operation. Winer admitted, in an oped in the Washington Post on February 8, 2018, that he passed these on to Victoria Nuland, who asked that he continue to bring them to her. Note that these were written at the time of, and the immediate aftermath of the coup in Ukraine. The Washington Post Deep State conduit, James Rosen, wrote that Nuland found these reports “informative and sometimes helpful”, and asked Winer to keep them coming.

When asked about the Steele memos on Ukraine in an interview with CBS on February 4 — four days before Winer’s oped was published — Nuland lied, denying that she had used the Steele memos.

But the Steele-Winer connection continued. In September 2016, Winer met with Steele, who presented to Winer his anti-Trump dossier. Winer drafted a two-page summary of the dossier, which he gave to Nuland. She told him to present this to Kerry. Later in the month, Winer met with Hillary Clinton confidante Sidney Blumenthal, who showed him another specious anti-Trump dossier, compiled by Clinton operative Cody Shearer. Winer then shared this who Steele, who then claimed it confirmed the charges he made in his dossier, though coming from different “sources.”

Nunes and Grassley are both investigating the Steele-Winer-Nuland connection to see what this means as far as Obama administration direct involvement in running the Russiagate coup. Among those calling for a full criminal investigation into Brennan, Clapper, Comey and Hillary Clinton, which would reach Obama as well, is former Washington, D.C. U.S. Attorney Joseph DiGenova, who said it’s very likely they could all be indicted.

YET BRITISH HITMAN MUELLER PROCEEDS!

As evidence piles up that the real collusion in the 2016 election was between British intelligence, the Clinton campaign, and Obama’s intelligence team, Robert Mueller keeps going, indicting bit players on charges that have nothing to do with his mandate. Among the more ridiculous set of indictments was that against a Russian “troll farm”, which will never be contested in court. However, it gave the media more ammunition to use against Trump. (See last week’s NS for details.)

The new indictments against Manafort come from squeezing his former partner, Rick Gates. Using a prosecutor’s set of tools, Mueller went after Gates on his weak flank, the threat to him and his family of bankruptcy, were he to fight the charges. In entering his guilty plea, Gates told the court, “Despite my initial desire to vigorously defend myself, I have had a change of heart. The reality of how long this legal process will likely take, the cost, and the circus-like atmosphere of an anticipated trial are too much. I will better serve my family moving forward by exiting this process.”

On the new charges against Manafort on money laundering, a well-informed insider said he’s astonished at the lengths to which Mueller is going. He noted the irony that, when Mueller and Comey were FBI Directors, they never made a criminal case against leading banks which engaged in billions of dollars in money laundering, much of it proceeds from drug and arms-trafficking. One of the banks given a repeated pass was the notorious HSBC, which while being fined repeatedly for money laundering, never faced criminal prosecution. Among those arguing against criminal charges was the British Chancellor of the Exchequer, George Osborne, who said a criminal proceeding against a “systemically important” bank, such as HSBC, would risk “global financial disaster.” Obama’s Attorney General Holder shared this view, as he refused to file any criminal charges against “Too Big to Fail” banks.

Until his appointment by Obama as Director of the FBI, James Comey served on the Board of Directors of HSBC!

From this review of the significance of Ukraine in the whole Russiagate process, it becomes clear that the perversion of justice it represents is surpassed only by the danger which flows from the anti-Russia theme it serves. Unless there is an intervention to shut down this witch hunt, as there was to end the hysterical red-baiting charges of the infamous Senator Joseph McCarthy in the 1950s, the threshold for a possible nuclear confrontation with Russia is being dramatically reduced. It was Trump’s campaign pledge to cooperate with Russia, rather than prepare for war, which is the reason for the Russiagate fraud.

With the Ukraine tensions heightened by recent developments, full exposure of Steele’s dirty role, and that of his collaborators, has become an essential component of a war-avoidance strategy.


https://stonecoldtruth.com/russiagate-ukraine-how-the-mueller-investig
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Pretty good recap of the background.

Also, for reference at top of the page:


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Sunday, March 4, 2018 4:06 PM

THGRRI


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Let's hear it for censorship! And while we're at it, mass surveillance, and propaganda.




Yeah, it must be tough for those living in Russia. Better there than here though.


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Sunday, March 4, 2018 4:13 PM

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Roger Stone

In 1980, he co-founded the Washington, DC-based lobbying firm Black, Manafort, Stone with principals Paul Manafort and Charles R. Black Jr.[4][5][6] It recruited Peter G. Kelly and the firm was renamed Black, Manafort, Stone and Kelly in 1984.

During the 1980s, BMSK leveraged its "White House connections" to attract "high-paying clients" including "U.S. corporations", "trade associations", and foreign governments. By 1990, it was "one of the leading lobbyists for American companies and foreign organizations".


Unbelievable, Roger Stone is being investigated by Mueller concerning wiki leaks and the Russians, and sig sources him as though anyone can believe a word he says.

Worse yet, JSF quotes the post in agreement. What a stupid...what a troll...

During the 80's Stone confounded the lobbying firm > wait for it < Black and Manafort.

You are such a liar sig, such a troll, such a Russian propagandist. And you really really suck at it. Putin must be very disappointed.

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Sunday, March 4, 2018 4:13 PM

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Sunday, March 4, 2018 8:51 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Awwwww.... that's nice. Putin went to visit Boris and Natasha.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, March 4, 2018 9:54 PM

THGRRI


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Awwwww.... that's nice. Putin went to visit Boris and Natasha.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



Nope, it the other way around. That's a US jail.


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Monday, March 5, 2018 7:18 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


And yet .... in all of the falderal from the Mueller "investigation", there is not one thing about collusion ... or anything like it ... between Trump and Russia.

The DNC "hacks" and where the Podesta emails came from? Mueller can safari up his own ass all he wants, but there is one person who really knows the truth, and that is Julian Assange. Why doesn't Mueller grant Assange immunity in exchange for testimony? Is it because Assange won't give him the answer that he's looking for?

Trying to collect "dirt" on Hillary from Russians? The Hillary campaign itself did the same thing. Worse, they actually PAID FOR "dirt" on Trump from nameless Russians.

Ok, what next?

Oh yes ... UKRAINE(!!!) There is huge fallout from Manafort being a lobbyist for UKRAINE(!!!), years before the Trump campaign. Okay, if having contacts with "foreign" lobbyists is such a horrible sin, why isn't Hillary being investigated for her ties to Saudi lobbyists?
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The lobby firm created by both Tony and John Podesta in 1988 receives $140,000 a month from the Saudi government, a government that beheads nonviolent dissidents, uses torture to extract forced confessions, doesn’t allow women to drive, and bombs schools, hospitals and residential neighborhoods in neighboring Yemen.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/medea-benjamin/hillary-clinton-the-pode
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And that wasn't something that happened years ago, it was happening during the 2016 campaign. If Mueller wanted to investigate foreign influence on our elections, he would be well-advised to look to the DNC and the Clinton Foundation.

Yanno, I thought Mueller's "remit" was to investigate Trump-Russian "collusion" .... or whatever quid-pro-quo might have affected the campaign's final outcome. So far, all I've seen are "process crimes" and indictments on things that are entirely unrelated to the election or to Trump. This reminds me of the Ken Starr investigation, which began with Whitewater and ended with a stained blue dress. In your eagerness to "get" Trump, you're easily derailed from the main thrust of the argument, aren't you?



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Monday, March 5, 2018 8:14 AM

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Awwwww.... that's nice. Putin went to visit Boris and Natasha.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



Nope, it the other way around. That's a US jail.


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The only problem with that story is that Boris and Natasha are the ones in the cell in that picture. Putin is outside of the cell.

I guess you guys better not forget that Putin has teleportation capabilities when you finally get around to locking him up.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, March 5, 2018 10:16 AM

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And yet .... in all of the falderal from the Mueller "investigation", there is not one thing about collusion ... or anything like it ... between Trump and Russia.



State Dept. Was Granted $120 Million to Fight Russian Meddling. It Has Spent $0.

WASHINGTON — As Russia’s virtual war against the United States continues unabated with the midterm elections approaching, the State Department has yet to spend any of the $120 million it has been allocated since late 2016 to counter foreign efforts to meddle in elections or sow distrust in democracy.

As a result, not one of the 23 analysts working in the department’s Global Engagement Center — which has been tasked with countering Moscow’s disinformation campaign — speaks Russian, and a department hiring freeze has hindered efforts to recruit the computer experts needed to track the Russian efforts.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/04/world/europe/state-department-russi
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Monday, March 5, 2018 10:35 AM

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And yet .... in all of the falderal from the Mueller "investigation", there is not one thing about collusion ... or anything like it ... between Trump and Russia.



And yet neither you nor JSF, Kiki, etc can answer how you could possibly know what Mueller knows. Did you see Papadopoulos coming? No? Any of the indictments other than Manafort? Agaiun, no?
Until you can answer "how you know" we'll know that you're just blowing smoke.

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... all he wants, but there is one person who really knows the truth, and that is Julian Assange. Why doesn't Mueller grant Assange immunity in exchange for testimony? Is it because Assange won't give him the answer that he's looking for?



"One person?" I suspect that this is much, much, much bigger than one person. If you've done any of the reading about Trump's Russian connections/escapades you'd know there are many involved. How many were there at Trump Tower yappin' with Don Jr. alone? Just one?

"Why doesn't Mueller grant Assange immunity in exchange for testimony? " - SIGNYM

Because he doesn't have to?

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Trying to collect "dirt" on Hillary from Russians? The Hillary campaign itself did the same thing. Worse, they actually PAID FOR "dirt" on Trump from nameless Russians.



She paid for dirt after the RNC paid for dirt you mean. Thing is that's not illegal - what is is colluding/working with a foreign adversary to influence/hack our elections. See the difference?

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Yanno, I thought Mueller's "remit" was to investigate Trump-Russian "collusion" .... or whatever quid-pro-quo might have affected the campaign's final outcome. So far, all I've seen are "process crimes" and indictments on things that are entirely unrelated to the election or to Trump. This reminds me of the Ken Starr investigation, which began with Whitewater and ended with a stained blue dress. In your eagerness to "get" Trump, you're easily derailed from the main thrust of the argument, aren't you?



I'm eager for the truth to come out, plain and simple. He's proven to be a lying sack of sh*t, so him saying he didn't collude over and over is close to an admission of guilt from that... person. BUT I'd rather see it from Mueller. You can wait can't you?

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Monday, March 5, 2018 10:55 AM

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I'm sure you remember as I do G sig and others posting emphatically, our intelligence agencies have no evidence of the Russians interfering in our elections. That it was bogus.

I'm sure you remember as I do, you me and others battling them from the beginning regarding this. As is always the case in thread after thread, as more and more is revealed, sig and her troll friends are proven wrong.

This time is no different. 13 Russians indicted and so many more to come.

tick tock


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Monday, March 5, 2018 12:43 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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And yet neither you nor JSF, Kiki, etc can answer how you could possibly know what Mueller knows. Did you see Papadopoulos coming? No? Any of the indictments other than Manafort? Agaiun, no?
Until you can answer "how you know" we'll know that you're just blowing smoke.

I saw them coming. Not by name, but at the beginning of the inquisitio ... I mean, investigation ... I predicted that Mueller would find business corruption and shady business practices. But no collusion between the Russian government and Trump, as per Mueller's remit.
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I suspect that this is much, much, much bigger than one person.
But only Assange knows unambiguously WHO wikileaks got the files from. Is that of minor importance to you?
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She paid for dirt after the RNC paid for dirt you mean.
Once again, you're wrong on a few points of fact. The RNC didn't pay Fusion GPS and the research wasn't directed at Trump.
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In a statement, the Washington Free Beacon said it retained Fusion GPS to provide research on multiple Republican candidates in the 2016 presidential election.
And the Washington Free Beacon didn't use the 'services' of Steele. None of the material found by Fusion in its work for the Washington Free Beacon was in the Steele report. AND, the Washington Free Beacon work was completed before the Clinton work began.
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The Free Beacon said its research ended before Fusion GPS hired a former British intelligence officer, Christopher Steele, to produce a series of reports alleging links between Russia and those close to Trump. That occurred after the firm was retained by a lawyer for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee.
“None of the work product that the Free Beacon received appears in the Steele dossier,’’ said the statement from Free Beacon editor in chief Matthew Continetti and chairman Michael Goldfarb. “We stand by our reporting and we do not apologize for our methods."’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/conservative-we
bsite-first-paid-fusion-gps-for-trump-research/2017/10/27/ee05c1d6-bb6f-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html?utm_term=.d7fbf5f6cdc5

How can we have a reasonable fact-based discussion when you so consistently misrepresent the facts?
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He's proven to be a lying sack of sh*t, so him saying he didn't collude over and over is close to an admission of guilt from that... person.
But how do you know what Trump knows? OH! YOU DON'T. Goes both ways, you see.

BTW, I'm not 'defending' Trump. I'm just pushing back on propaganda while waiting for the facts.





So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Monday, March 5, 2018 1:51 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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And yet .... in all of the falderal from the Mueller "investigation", there is not one thing about collusion ... or anything like it ... between Trump and Russia. - SIGNY

And yet neither you nor JSF, Kiki, etc can answer how you could possibly know what Mueller knows. Did you see Papadopoulos coming? No? Any of the indictments other than Manafort? Agaiun, no? - GSTRING

I saw Manafort as a weakness. I predicted Flynn would get nailed. In a post a while back, I said that if Mueller would find anything on Trump, it would probably be in the realm of financial crimes. But NONE OF THIS IS ABOUT RUSSIA.

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Until you can answer "how you know" we'll know that you're just blowing smoke.
Same reply as KIKI- How do YOU know??? Oh, that's right, you don't. I typically qualify my comments with "so far" or "yet", as in We haven't seen anything so far (yet)". You OTOH seem be dead certain, on the basis of nothing at all, that Mueller will find SOME sort of collusion between the Trump campaign and RUSSIA!!!! But aren't YOU just "blowing smoke"?

Yes, you are.

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... all he wants, but there is one person who really knows the truth, and that is Julian Assange. Why doesn't Mueller grant Assange immunity in exchange for testimony? Is it because Assange won't give him the answer that he's looking for? - SIGNY

"One person?" I suspect that this is much, much, much bigger than one person. If you've done any of the reading about Trump's Russian connections/escapades you'd know there are many involved. How many were there at Trump Tower yappin' with Don Jr. alone? Just one?- GSTRING

"Contacts" with Russians are not illegal.

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"Why doesn't Mueller grant Assange immunity in exchange for testimony? " - SIGNYM

Because he doesn't have to?- GSTRING

The BIG question was ... what about the Wikileaks release of the Podesta/ DNC emails? Because THAT ... and not thirteen Russians making infinitesimally small noise on social media ... was widely seen as having a real effect on the election. Well, Mueller can yap all he wants to about who "hacked" the DNC server ... and BTW, the FBI never DID examine the server itself ... but Julian Assange and his colleague Craig Murray know who gave them the emails, and they have said over and over that it was not Russia and not a Russian. Craig Murray has gone further and said it as a "disgruntled insider".

So, if Mueller really wants to know THE TRUTH ... or at least talk to the people who DO know the truth ... then maybe they should do just that, instead of speculating, insinuating, and fabricating an alternate version of reality.

Oh, and BTW ... THUGR, ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION??? .... I have often said that I wouldn't be surprised if Russians snooped on various servers, including the DNC server. What they did NOT do was "interfere" with or release the contents, or interfere with the election process/ results.

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Trying to collect "dirt" on Hillary from Russians? The Hillary campaign itself did the same thing. Worse, they actually PAID FOR "dirt" on Trump from nameless Russians.- SIGNY

She paid for dirt after the RNC paid for dirt you mean. Thing is that's not illegal - what is is colluding/working with a foreign adversary to influence/hack our elections. See the difference?- GSTRING



Well, by the same logic, efforts by Trump campaign to collect "dirt" on Hillary are ALSO not "illegal", and in fact of lesser importance because no information was gathered and no return favors were exchanged.

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Yanno, I thought Mueller's "remit" was to investigate Trump-Russian "collusion" .... or whatever quid-pro-quo might have affected the campaign's final outcome. So far, all I've seen are "process crimes" and indictments on things that are entirely unrelated to the election or to Trump. This reminds me of the Ken Starr investigation, which began with Whitewater and ended with a stained blue dress. In your eagerness to "get" Trump, you're easily derailed from the main thrust of the argument, aren't you? - SIGNY

I'm eager for the truth to come out, plain and simple. He's proven to be a lying sack of sh*t, so him saying he didn't collude over and over is close to an admission of guilt from that... person. BUT I'd rather see it from Mueller. You can wait can't you?

Can't YOU wait?? Because saying over and over again that he DID "collude" is just screeching and hyperventilation.

I have a ?? for you, GSTRING.

You, THUGR, JOIDIOT, and TWITCHY have this idee fixe (it's a psychological disorder, you should look up the term) that Trump "somehow" "colluded" with Russia to influence the election. Or that Trump was 'somehow" "blackmailed" into "colluding" with Russia.

So, there is usually some sort of "quid pro quo" involved ... "I'll do (this) if you (help me win the election/ don't expose my dirty secrets)"

What do you suppose "this" is? Normalize relations? Block sanctions? Cooperate in the fight on terrorism? Sink the military by failing to fund it?

All of these issues were part of the Trump platform. YOU knew what Trump wanted to do with/ about Russia before the election, and so did a lot of other voters. There was no secret about Trump's intended policy, nothing "sprung" on the American people from some deep dark place. And people voted for him anyway. So where's the 'collusion'?

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Monday, March 5, 2018 2:53 PM

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Whoa, looks like I crushed a nerve.

Let's review all of the erroneous assumptions you just made:

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But NONE OF THIS IS ABOUT RUSSIA.



Huh? Sure it is. Didn't you read the charges against one of the first Trump lackeys to fall? It's been almost all about Russia. Flynn: lying about Russia contacts and conversations. Sessions? Please do some reading and brush up on the subject before posting.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You OTOH seem be dead certain, on the basis of nothing at all, that Mueller will find SOME sort of collusion between the Trump campaign and RUSSIA!!!!



Actually it's based on the daily evidence that he's a lying piece of sh*t and that Russia is Russia.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, if Mueller really wants to know THE TRUTH ... or at least talk to the people who DO know the truth ... then maybe they should do just that, instead of speculating, insinuating, and fabricating an alternate version of reality.



How do you know who he's talking to?

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, by the same logic, efforts by Trump campaign to collect "dirt" on Hillary are ALSO not "illegal", and in fact of lesser importance because no information was gathered and no return favors were exchanged.



How do you know what was gathered?

This is the best piece of sh*t assumption you've made so far:
"Because saying over and over again that he DID "collude" is just screeching and hyperventilation." - SIGNYM

Find where I said he "DID" - I said I *believe* he has. Language - respect it.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I have a ?? for you, GSTRING.
You, THUGR, JOIDIOT, and TWITCHY have this idee fixe (it's a psychological disorder, you should look up the term)



Funny. One can only imagine how you became familiar with such an arcane term.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
...that Trump "somehow" "colluded" with Russia to influence the election. Or that Trump was 'somehow" "blackmailed" into "colluding" with Russia.

So, there is usually some sort of "quid pro quo" involved ... "I'll do (this) if you (help me win the election/ don't expose my dirty secrets)"

What do you suppose "this" is? Normalize relations? Block sanctions? Cooperate in the fight on terrorism? Sink the military by failing to fund it?

All of these issues were part of the Trump platform. YOU knew what Trump wanted to do with/ about Russia before the election, and so did a lot of other voters. There was no secret about Trump's intended policy, nothing "sprung" on the American people from some deep dark place. And people voted for him anyway. So where's the 'collusion'?



He built collusion into his platform? Thanks for the tip! At this point not applying sanctions seems the most likely, but how would we know? I think it would be helpful if you read more on the subject and not just guess so much - it makes you look foolish.

So, let's review: everything you said was easily, observably false. Same ole SIGNYM.

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Monday, March 5, 2018 3:33 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Flynn admitted in his plea that he lied to the FBI about several December conversations with Kislyak."

The National Security Advisor of the incoming Trump administration talked with the Russian Ambassador.

HORRORS!

And also - not a crime, and not collusion. Just an administration performing normal international relations.





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Monday, March 5, 2018 3:55 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So - to be ABUNDANTLY CLEAR - no one has been indicted on, or plead guilty to, any collusion charges. No collusion has, to this date, been revealed (except perhaps Hillary's).

Those are the facts. So let's just agree to the facts and move on. Or do you have a problem agreeing to facts, "G"?




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Monday, March 5, 2018 5:05 PM

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Seems the Libtard Trolls are trying to shift the topic of this thread into yet another Fake topic of Fake Collusion and Fake Evidence.

How many different threads about real topics have they muddied now?

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Monday, March 5, 2018 6:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
MSM News said today the Shifty Schiff Spindoctor Memo was released.

Anybody seen a copy?

Perhaps this is a huge nothing burger, based on the lack of interest following it's release.

Still nobody cares about this ballyhooed revelation?
OK, this seems to be the memo:
https://democrats-intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/redacted_minori
ty_memo_2.24.18.pdf


Funny thing: when trying to find a copy, there were no Real News links in the search results, only Fake News outlets.

And here s the SpinDoctor treatment:
https://democrats-intelligence.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?Docu
mentID=358

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Monday, March 5, 2018 6:48 PM

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Also, in January 2017 Comey went to the White House and stated to Trump that the Dossier was unverified and salacious, not based in fact, and nothing to worry about. Later, he signed off on the 19 January FISC Application to renew the Page Warrant, using this Fake Dossier as the evidence to support the Warrant.

He already knew is was Fake.
Comey used Application with known Fake Content to swindle the FISC into issuing a Warrant, clearly Contempt of Court.

How is this not a Felony?

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Monday, March 5, 2018 6:54 PM

THGRRI


Russia says it stopped Mitt Romney from becoming secretary of State:

Russia says it stopped former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney from becoming President Trump's secretary of State, according to The New Yorker.

The magazine in a report about former Christopher Steele says the former British spy authored a separate dossier with "a senior Russian official" as its source. That source said individuals inside Russia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs claimed to have stopped Romney from becoming head of the State Department

Steele's memo said Russia used "unspecified channels" to request that Trump choose a secretary of State who would remove "Ukraine-related sanctions," according to the report. The Kremlin also reportedly wanted the department's head to accommodate Russia in regards to Syria, where the Russian government has been backing President Bashar al-Assad in a years-long civil war.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/russia-says-it-stopped-mitt-ro
mney-from-becoming-secretary-of-state-report/ar-BBJTDAr?ocid=spartanntp



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Monday, March 5, 2018 8:08 PM

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Breaking News?
Apparently new revelations that the unnamed "Australian Diplomat" who claimed to have heard Papadopoulos brag of influence, thus providing excuse for Investigation (Russia Trump), was Clinton crony (funneling $25 Million into Clinton Crime Family Foundation) Alexander Downer.

Not sure if this was already posted somewhere here.

Perhaps only newspaper stenographers are clever enough to discover this, since these facts have been able to evade unethical immoral clueless Mueller.

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Monday, March 5, 2018 8:45 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Sounds like some Fox News show had a recent interview of Rep Nunes by Mark Levin discussing The Memo.

I don't have a transcript, yet.

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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:17 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Flynn admitted in his plea that he lied to the FBI about several December conversations with Kislyak."

The National Security Advisor of the incoming Trump administration talked with the Russian Ambassador.

HORRORS!

And also - not a crime, and not collusion. Just an administration performing normal international relations.



Actually, it's right there in your own post, Kiki: "he lied to the FBI" that IS a crime.

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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:19 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So - to be ABUNDANTLY CLEAR - no one has been indicted on, or plead guilty to, any collusion charges. No collusion has, to this date, been revealed (except perhaps Hillary's).

Those are the facts. So let's just agree to the facts and move on. Or do you have a problem agreeing to facts, "G"?



"Facts?" you mean like whenever you or JSF or anyone else said, "there's no evidence! There's no collusion!" we knew that you were just talking sh*t? I definitely agree with that fact.

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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:29 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Let's break it down:

Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Also, in January 2017 Comey went to the White House and stated to Trump...



What's your source that what follows is what Comey said specifically and not just hearsay? There are some assumptions that I'd want cites for. Some of the rest I don't find much of it to be in error.

- "that the Dossier was unverified." Why is that an issue? The FBI is stating honestly that they have not been able to verify it YET. Some of Steele's sources are ones he would obviously like to protect since Russians who speak against Russia/Putin often find themselves dead in their cars. So even the FBI would have a hard time verifying. That doesn't mean you don't trust a source like Steele. That's why you have sources.

- "and salacious," yes it was! But why does that taint it's veracity?

- "not based in fact, and nothing to worry about." - I'm going to respectfully ask where those 2 comments come from. I doubt Comey would say it wasn't based in fact. That sounds like a Fux or your spin/assumption. Cites if you have them.

- "Later, he signed off on the 19 January FISC Application to renew the Page Warrant, using this Fake Dossier as the evidence to support the Warrant." - you or someone is assuming it was fake when it keeps getting more and more true. If you disagree you need to show where it was fake and not just say "it's fake." Requests for a continuance was submitted with multiple docs and arguments and the judge makes the decision.

- "He already knew is was Fake." - I disagree - see above. Carter Page had shown plenty of reason - even bragging about his Russia/Kremlin connections. I wonder if he even needed this dossier to get an extension.

- "How is this not a Felony?" Because it's not a felony.

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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 2:40 PM

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A Top Republican Fundraiser’s Emails Have Been Hacked
By David Voreacos and Greg Farrell
?March? ?6?, ?2018? ?12?:?45? ?PM? ?CST

Broidy learned of breach last week from reporter, lawyer says
Emails show his moves in GOP finance, foreign affairs circles
A top Republican fundraiser for Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign learned last week that his email accounts had been hacked, sowing concerns that document leaks could roil another national U.S. election cycle.

Elliott Broidy, a deputy finance chairman of the Republican National Committee, became aware of the problem when a reporter asked about some of his private messages, said his attorney, Christopher Clark. Broidy then alerted law-enforcement officials, who are now investigating the breach of his private and business emails.

Some news organizations have cited Broidy’s communications in articles over the past week, describing how he sought to use his political ties to advance his business interests and those of foreign leaders. More embarrassing revelations could follow. All the information will be released soon on “the dark web,” according to a note accompanying emails sent to Bloomberg.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-06/hack-of-republican-
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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 4:32 PM

1KIKI

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Actually, it's right there in your own post, Kiki: "he lied to the FBI" that IS a crime.

But it's not collusion with Russia.

I guess you failed logic 101. Or was it ethics 101?




So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 4:35 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So - to be ABUNDANTLY CLEAR - no one has been indicted on, or plead guilty to, any collusion charges. No collusion has, to this date, been revealed (except perhaps Hillary's).

Those are the facts. So let's just agree to the facts and move on. Or do you have a problem agreeing to facts, "G"?

Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:

"Facts?" you mean like whenever you or JSF or anyone else said, "there's no evidence! There's no collusion!" we knew that you were just talking sh*t? I definitely agree with that fact.

No matter how much you misrepresent my post, GEEBERS, it's still a fact: no one has been indicted on, or plead guilty to, any collusion charges. No collusion has, to this date, been revealed.




So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 7:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So - to be ABUNDANTLY CLEAR - no one has been indicted on, or plead guilty to, any collusion charges.



Papadopoulos plead guilty to lying about colluding and conspiring with the Russians. This means what? It means he was colluding and conspiring with the Russians.

He is now working with Mueller exposing others who were part of the campaign who colluded and conspired with russia. You just can't seem to get the facts right.

Keep your shirt on, it's coming. I've never seen someone so anxious to see themselves proven wrong as you just have. Shit, how many times is that today? Let's see, how many times have you posted?

T

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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 8:33 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Papadopoulos plead guilty to lying about colluding and conspiring with the Russians."

Actually - no. He plead guilty to making false statements. There was nothing culpable in his actions.




So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 8:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Papadopoulos plead guilty to lying about colluding and conspiring with the Russians."

Actually - no. He plead guilty to making false statements. Thre was nothing culpable in his actions.



He made false statements about his working relationships with the Russians. Culpable,"sometimes you're just as culpable when you watch something as when you actually participate."

Hence the lie followed by the guilty plea. Your defense against Trump conspiring with the Russians is collapsing as you post. Like I've said, be patient it's coming.

tick tock remember

T

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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:21 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


He wasn't indicted for meeting with the Russians. In all your spin, remember that.

And what that MEANS is that no one has plead guilty to, or been indicted for, 'collusion'.

Also, note that at the time Papadopoulos wasn't either a member of the campaign, or a member of the interim administration. He was acting, on his own, as a private citizen. Which means he had no official connection to the Trump team, and the team had no capacity to stop him.




So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
He wasn't indicted for meeting with the Russians. In all your spin, remember that.




I'm having one of those moments where I realize I am arguing with someone unable to defend themselves. Someone desperate to hold onto a delusion. Someone sick, Russian troll or not, so I think I'll let this discussion come to a close tonight.



T

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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:29 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
He wasn't indicted for meeting with the Russians. In all your spin, remember that.

And what that MEANS is that no one has plead guilty to, or been indicted for, 'collusion'.

Also, note that at the time Papadopoulos wasn't either a member of the campaign, or a member of the interim administration. He was acting, on his own, as a private citizen. Which means he had no official connection to the Trump team, and the team had no capacity to stop him.




So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:31 PM

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Former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Russian officials.

http://www.businessinsider.com/mueller-indictments-explained-manafort-
gates-papadopoulos-trump-russia-2017-10



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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:48 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I'm glad you finally got it right. It's what I've been saying all along. He was indicted for, and plead guilty to, making false statements ... not to 'collusion'.




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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 2:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
He wasn't indicted for meeting with the Russians. In all your spin, remember that.

And what that MEANS is that no one has plead guilty to, or been indicted for, 'collusion'.

Also, note that at the time Papadopoulos wasn't either a member of the campaign, or a member of the interim administration. He was acting, on his own, as a private citizen. Which means he had no official connection to the Trump team, and the team had no capacity to stop him.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?


I'm not sure here.
Are you quoting this to point out T's incompetence with syntax - which has long been abundantly clear - or to point out T pretending to be you, and effectively falsely attributing quotes to you?

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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 6:44 AM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Papadopoulos plead guilty to lying about colluding and conspiring with the Russians.- THUGR
Wow. speaking of people desperate to hold onto an idea!

So, what DID George plead guilty to? THUGR, be a good fellow and go find that plea for us, will you? Since you seem to be so convinced you know what it says ....

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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 6:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

I guess you failed logic 101. Or was it ethics 101?




I guess you failed Honesty 101: Saying, "there was no collusion!" is a false, incomplete statement. You and others have barked that constantly like it means something, when it means absolutely nothing. Do explain why making those statements now, this early, has any relevance?

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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 6:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
No collusion has, to this date, been revealed.



I totally disagree. I think Don Jr's meeting at Trump Tower looks like collusion to me. But what I think doesn't really matter (damn it!) - it depends on what else Mueller finds and how the law interprets it.

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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 7:32 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Hillary's campaign people had "conversations" with Russians too. And THOSE Russians actually provided "dirt" on Trump, which was used to not only obtain a fraudulent FISA warrant but also to besmirch the President with false allegations. Is anyone investigating HER? I know I got to this point with GSTRING before, in some thread, and he asked me if I saw the difference between the Trump campaign and the Hillary campaign, and I said "no" except that her campaign's "contacts" with Russians were more important because they resulted in an actual exchange of information.

I don't know where that conversation is, but maybe GSTRING can explain what the essential difference is between one and the other.



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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hillary's campaign people had "conversations" with Russians too. And THOSE Russians actually provided "dirt" on Trump, which was used to not only obtain a fraudulent FISA warrant but also to besmirch the President with false allegations. Is anyone investigating HER? I know I got to this point with GSTRING before, in some thread, and he asked me if I saw the difference between the Trump campaign and the Hillary campaign, and I said "no" except that her campaign's "contacts" with Russians were more important because they resulted in an actual exchange of information.

I don't know where that conversation is, but maybe GSTRING can explain what the essential difference is between one and the other.




I'd be happy to SIGHOLE: The Russian government (not just a few Russian sources) worked to influence the election in favor of Trump, with evidence that Trump's campaign was a willing, active partner in this crime/act of Treason (I believe).

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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Papadopoulos plead guilty to lying about colluding and conspiring with the Russians.- THUGR
Wow. speaking of people desperate to hold onto an idea!

So, what DID George plead guilty to? THUGR, be a good fellow and go find that plea for us, will you? Since you seem to be so convinced you know what it says ....




He plead guilty to lying about his meeting with the Russians during the campaign comrade. So, I'll ask you comrade, why did he lie about that? What do you suppose he was doing meeting with the Russians during the campaign?

This is all too funny.


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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:56 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

He plead guilty to lying about his meeting with the Russians during the campaign comrade. So, I'll ask you comrade, why did he lie about that? What do you suppose he was doing meeting with the Russians during the campaign?- THUGR


Because idiots like you and Rachel Madcow would make an endless big deal about nothing, which is just what you're doing???

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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 11:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

He plead guilty to lying about his meeting with the Russians during the campaign comrade. So, I'll ask you comrade, why did he lie about that? What do you suppose he was doing meeting with the Russians during the campaign?- THUGR


Because idiots like you and Rachel Madcow would make an endless big deal about nothing, which is just what you're doing???




-No, he lied because he should not have been doing what he was doing. And he knew it. He knew he was not supposed to work with the Russians to get trump elected. So he lied about meeting with them.

This isn't rocket science.

T

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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 11:06 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Hillary's campaign people had "conversations" with Russians too. And THOSE Russians actually provided "dirt" on Trump, which was used to not only obtain a fraudulent FISA warrant but also to besmirch the President with false allegations. Is anyone investigating HER? I know I got to this point with GSTRING before, in some thread, and he asked me if I saw the difference between the Trump campaign and the Hillary campaign, and I said "no" except that her campaign's "contacts" with Russians were more important because they resulted in an actual exchange of information.

I don't know where that conversation is, but maybe GSTRING can explain what the essential difference is between one and the other. - SIGNY

I'd be happy to SIGHOLE: The Russian government (not just a few Russian sources) worked to influence the election in favor of Trump, with evidence that Trump's campaign was a willing, active partner in this crime/act of Treason (I believe).- GSTRING



Well, first of all, this is where YOU BELIEVE something. You have turned an opinion into a belief. So I'll take your BELIEF about as seriously a I take the BELIEF in god, or the BELIEF in a flat earth, which is ... not at all.

Secondly ... No, I'll stop at the first point. A BELIEVER is someone who maintains an idea without evidence, or even in the face of countervailing evidence. Until you get past "believing", there's just no reasoning with you because you're immune to facts and logic.

BTW- you asked me, snidely, how I knew about such as arcane term as idee fixe. That's because I'm smarter than you, better educated than you, and because I don't get all my info from Twitter and FB.


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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 11:09 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

-No, he lied because he should not have been doing what he was doing. And he knew it. He knew he was not supposed to work with the Russians to get trump elected. So he lied about meeting with them. -THGUR

Apparently, just like GSTRING, you claim not only to know the content of (private) conversations, you ALSO claim to know someone's motivations???

Yeah, right.

[/snicker]

This reminds me that you CLAIM to know that I'm a "Russian troll", and you are so absolutleyfucking100%wrong about THAT that it throws all of your other claims into doubt. Seriously, dude, you need a mental tuneup. And I look forward to the day when I can take you to court, and then post about it here.




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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 11:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

-No, he lied because he should not have been doing what he was doing. And he knew it. He knew he was not supposed to work with the Russians to get trump elected. So he lied about meeting with them. -THGUR

Apparently, just like GSTRING, you claim not only to know the content of (private) conversations, you ALSO claim to know someone's motivations???

Yeah, right.

[/snicker]

This reminds me that you CLAIM to know that I'm a "Russian troll", and you are so absolutleyfucking100%wrong about THAT that it throws all of your other claims into doubt. Seriously, dude, you need a mental tuneup. And I look forward to the day when I can take you to court, and then post about it here.





A self-described Russian 'seductress' is claiming she has dirt on Trump

A Russian escort is asking the US government to grant her asylum in exchange for audio recordings that she says reveal new information about Russian meddling in the US election.

The escort says she recorded more than 16 hours of conversations between a Russian oligarch, a top Russian government official, and others about US-Russian relations and the election.

"If America gives me protection, I will tell everything I know," she said on Monday.

"I'm ready to give you all the missing puzzle pieces, support them with videos and audios, regarding the connections of our respected lawmakers with Trump, Manafort and the rest. I know a lot. I'm waiting for your offers and I'm waiting for you in a Thai prison," Vashukevich said in a video she posted on Instagram on her way to the Pattaya jail.



http://www.businessinsider.com/anastasia-vashukevich-russian-escort-ja
iled-in-thailand-claims-dirt-on-trump-2018-3





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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 11:26 AM

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13 Russian nationals indicted in Mueller investigation on charges related to meddling in US elections

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/special-counsel-indicts-13-russian-nati
onals-russia-investigation/story?id=53147082



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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 11:34 AM

SIGNYM

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Deripaska, and his relationship with Putin ...



That guy that "forgot" to give Putin his pen back? That was Deripaska.

You're an 100% ignor-anus, THUGR. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, but you don't mind filling the endless void inside your head with equally endless hate and paranoia. Right?



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Now, I'm sure that you think that because I KNOW about this little kerfuffle between Deripaska and Putin, that must mean that I'm a "Russian troll" because only a "Russian troll" would know about such Russian arcana.

Well, all I can say is that I know such this because I try to become widely informed; I listen to a lot of things and to a lot of people who also listen to a lot of things, and they point out items of interest. I personally found the video amusing, but there's a whole lot more going on behind the scenes between Manafort, Deripaska, JOHN MCCAIN, and others. And unlike you, I don't stick my head up my ass because it's kinda warm, dark, and quiet up there, and because nobody bothers me in my comfy space.


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