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The Syria story: 2019

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Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:38 PM

THGRRI


It looks like Syrian, Russian, and Iranian troops are gearing up for another fight with the US

After a massive battle that saw up to 300 pro-government fighters killed at the hands of the US and its local allies, the Syrian Democratic Forces, it looks like Syrian President Bashar Assad's military will mount another offensive.

Pro-Assad Al Masdar reported on Monday that Syria's 5th Legion and several units from Hezbollah are preparing an attack on ISIS near Deir Ezzor, in the country's west. Al Masdar seemed to confirm that the Syrian troops planned to encounter US-backed forces in a subsequent story on Wednesday.

But Syria's own state-run media said in November that Deir Ezzor had been liberated from ISIS. Western assessments of Syria no longer say the terror group holds territory there.

Instead, the US and the SDF hold much of western Syria, where the Syrian Army and its Lebanese and Iranian backers will head. Al Masdar announced the offensive would begin in three weeks and move under the cover of Russian airstrikes and with Iranians, who are thought to have 70,000 fighters in Syria.

Those fighters may well meet the 2,000 or so US troops in Syria, but despite the numerical advantage, pro-regime forces have fared poorly against the US.

In a battle between pro-government forces and US-backed forces on February 7, 500 Syrian-aligned soldiers launched an attack on a well-known headquarters of the SDF with 122mm howitzers, Russian-made tanks, and multiple launch rocket systems. According to the Pentagon, they only wounded one SDF fighter.

The US-led coalition responded with "AC-130 gunships, F-15s, F-22s, Army Apache helicopter gunships and Marine Corps artillery," according to Fox News reporter Lucas Tomlinson. CNN also reported that rocket launchers and MQ-9 drones were used in the attack.

The Pentagon said it had killed 100 pro-regime fighters, but a later report from Bloomberg indicated that as many as 300 Russian military contractors had been killed in the fighting.

Days later, the Pentagon told Business Insider that a US drone destroyed a Russian-made T-72 battle tank firing towards the SDF and its coalition partners.


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Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:50 PM

THGRRI


Macron: 'France will strike' Syria if it's proven the Assad regime used chemical weapons

http://www.businessinsider.com/macron-france-will-strike-syria-if-prov
en-assad-used-chemical-weapons-2018-2



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Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:57 PM

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Widow Of Russian Mercenary Killed In Syria: 'They Were Thrown Into Battle Like Pigs

Yelena Matveyeva was eagerly awaiting what she hoped would be her husband's return to Russia from Syria, where he had been allegedly fighting for months as a mercenary alongside forces loyal to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
Spirits buoyed that he could be home in weeks, she decided to buy a new dress. While in a store in Asbest, their hometown in Russia's Sverdlovsk region, east of Moscow, she got a call from a friend.

Matveyeva said her friend asked her if she had heard anything from her husband or Igor Kosoturov, another military contractor from Asbest. "I said, 'I haven't been able to call him for three days,'" Matveyeva recounts. "Literally, in a minute he calls me back and says, 'Stasa [her husband Stanislav] and Igor are dead.'"

Both are suspected of having been killed when the U.S.-led coalition targeted pro-Syrian government forces with air and artillery strikes in Syria's Deir al-Zor Province on February 7.

There are conflicting reports on the number killed, with as many as 200 cited by Bloomberg, the first agency to break the story.

What seemed clearer was that many of the fatalities were Russians, not officially in the service of the Russian armed forces, but working as military contractors.

Russian officials either refused to confirm or flatly rejected that any Russians were killed in the February 7 strikes. A Russian Foreign Ministry source said on February 14 that such reports were nothing more than "classic disinformation.

But many are skeptical -- to say the least -- of such official denials, least of all Matveyeva and other wives and relatives of Russian contract soldiers who may have been killed in Deir al-Zor.

According to Matveyeva, at least 30 others from Sverdlovsk fought alongside her husband in Syria, including nine from Asbest.

The Russian business daily Kommersant reports that 600 Russians had been contracted by the St. Petersburg-based PWC Vagner paramilitary group to fight inside Syria.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-syria-mercenaries-killed-widow-says-thr
own-into-battle-like-pigs/29039898.html


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Thursday, February 15, 2018 12:08 AM

THGRRI


US forces reportedly killed more than 100 Russian mercenaries inside Syria

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/2/13/17008446/us-troops-syria-russia-me
rcenaries-killed


Dozens of Russians Are Believed Killed in U.S.-Backed Syria Attack

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/13/world/europe/russia-syria-dead.html


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Thursday, February 15, 2018 1:56 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I was listening to a news report on TV I never listen to - one of those international news shows in English, with many accents. I think Christiane Amanpour was one of the newscasters/ hosts. And they brought on an Israeli investigative reporter and asked him about what was going on.

When it comes to Israel, his report was that Israel was acting out of the mindset 'if someone comes to kill you, you should rise up and kill him first'. But that Israel had planned a much more extensive mission. Only Netanyahu called Putin, and Putin told him to stand down. So Netanyahu did.

Also, I'd lost track of this, but Israeli police have opined there's enough corruption evidence against Netanyahu to bring charges. So Netanyahu seems like he's on a deadline.






HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Thursday, February 15, 2018 5:28 AM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
US forces reportedly killed more than 100 Russian mercenaries inside Syria

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/2/13/17008446/us-troops-syria-russia-me
rcenaries-killed


Dozens of Russians Are Believed Killed in U.S.-Backed Syria Attack

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/13/world/europe/russia-syria-dead.html




I can't imagine what it's like to be a reporter in that part of the world.

Thanks for posting this and the mercenary story above, T. I would like to know how these mercenaries get paid - when we get down to the individual, personal level, we tend to learn many things.

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Thursday, February 15, 2018 10:25 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I was listening to a news report on TV I never listen to - one of those international news shows in English, with many accents. I think Christiane Amanpour was one of the newscasters/ hosts. And they brought on an Israeli investigative reporter and asked him about what was going on.

When it comes to Israel, his report was that Israel was acting out of the mindset 'if someone comes to kill you, you should rise up and kill him first'. But that Israel had planned a much more extensive mission. Only Netanyahu called Putin, and Putin told him to stand down. So Netanyahu did.

Also, I'd lost track of this, but Israeli police have opined there's enough corruption evidence against Netanyahu to bring charges. So Netanyahu seems like he's on a deadline.



Dribble, no cites. Someone said something to someone else and it would have been worse but Putin told the Israel leader to make the mission smaller??????Dribble


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Thursday, February 15, 2018 10:49 AM

THGRRI


Here's some speculation. With Iran pushing up against five of it's neighbors in the Middle East, are they ensuring better cooperation between the Sunni states and Israel? Could that lead to a peace deal?

If Israel and the Sunni states become ally's against Iran, Syria as far as Russia is concerned will become a lost cause. And what happens to Hezbollah at that point?

What will Turkey do?

Sig if you respond I can assure you I won't read it. Even when you post from an honest source, you can not be trusted not to add words that spin a truth into fiction. Besides, I don't care for a dishonest Russian opinion. Truth is always welcome but Putin's propaganda I can do without.

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Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:50 PM

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Putin’s Pocket Army? The Rise of Russian Mercenaries in Syria

It is carrying out offensive, military operations, just like a regular military unit would. While due to their relatively small size PMCs are incapable of engaging large-scale, combined arms operations, they carry out many of the tactics and strategies akin to special operations forces.

Up until recently this kind of mercenary activity has not been an issue, at least since the now-defunct South African-based Executive Outcomes successfully fought Jonas Savimbi’s UNITA forces in Angola and forced the murderous Revolutionary United Front rebels in Sierra Leone to the negotiating table in 1995. The global PMC also worked for several multinational corporations, including De Beers, Chevron and Texaco, before it disbanded in 1998.

But since the U.S. let the genie out of the bottle with its unprecedented use of private contractors in its Iraq and Afghanistan wars, Russia has taken it to the next level and has been using Russian PMCs—off the books—to conduct serious combat missions both in the Donbass region of Ukraine and in Syria.

In both countries, the PMC de jour, Russia’s Blackwater on steroids as it were, is something called Wagner. That Wagner is an active operator is beyond dispute. In August 2017, the Saint Petersburg, Russia, publication, Fontanka, which has been reporting on Wagner since 2013, published photographs from the company’s “recruiting center,” along with the personnel records of several dozen mercenaries filed during hiring procedures.

An interview with Fontanka’s reporter, Denis Korotkov, helps explain why Wagner is qualitatively different from the PSCs we’re accustomed to hearing about in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Can private military companies be involved in military operations? Certainly. They can guard bases and communications lines, and protect key human assets in zones of active operations. However! When a private company is armed with tanks, 122-mm artillery, and armored infantry vehicles, and it’s carrying out attack missions or performing tasks better suited to the special forces, that, in my view, isn’t okay.

The history of Wagner is intriguing. According to an interview with Vasyl Hrytsak, of the SBU, Ukraine’s Security Service:

Wagner’s group’ was created in late May 2014. Wagner is former citizen [of Ukraine – ed.], born in the Kirovohrad region. Back then his group comprised 10 people… “By late August 2014 they were 300 people. In 2015, 1,350 men of Wagner were sent to Syria. Subsequently, the group grew, and more than 1,000 mercenaries were sent to Syria. They were taken back after three months. In early 2016, they were sent to Syria again…Wagner’s PMC comprises highly professional former Spetsnaz representatives who will be used primarily by the Russian military leadership in situations where they will not be able to officially use the army. At first, 10 people ran in. Now, according to our data, there are about 5,000 of them…

They’ve created a powerful pocket army operating tanks, armored personnel carriers, BM-21 Grads, and heavy artillery. What does it look like? It looks like a private army of Putin. If the situation destabilizes, God forbid, in Belarus or Baltics states or Moldova, the first to go there wearing civilian clothing will be the representatives of Wagner PMC.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/putins-pocket-army-the
-rise-of-russian-mercenaries-in-syria
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Thursday, February 15, 2018 5:40 PM

THGRRI


Russian toll in Syria battle was 300 killed and wounded:

About 300 men working for a Kremlin-linked Russian private military firm were either killed or injured in Syria last week, according to three sources familiar with the matter.

A Russian military doctor said around 100 had been killed, and a source who knows several of the fighters said the death toll was in excess of 80 men.

The timing of the casualties coincided with a battle on Feb. 7 near the Syrian city of Deir al-Zor where, according to U.S. officials and associates of the fighters involved, U.S.-led coalition forces attacked forces aligned with Moscow’s ally, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

The military doctor, who works in a Moscow military hospital and was directly involved in the treatment of wounded men evacuated from Syria, said that as of Saturday evening there were more than 50 such patients in his hospital, of which around 30 percent were seriously wounded.

The doctor, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he is not allowed to disclose information about casualties, said at least three planeloads of injured fighters were flown to Moscow between last Friday and Monday morning.


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Monday, February 19, 2018 6:16 PM

THGRRI


Reports of hundreds of Russians killed in Syria attempt to exploit war : RIA cites Lavrov

About 300 men working for a Kremlin-linked Russian private military firm were either killed or injured in Syria in an incident this month, three sources familiar with the matter told Reuters last week.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-lavrov/
reports-of-hundreds-of-russians-killed-in-syria-attempt-to-exploit-war-ria-cites-lavrov-idUSKCN1G30PG



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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 4:48 PM

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Over 150 Syrian civilians dead after 2-day barrage of attacks

Feb. 20 (UPI) -- Some Syrians feared more violence Tuesday after government forces bombarded East Ghouta over a two-day period, killing more than 150 civilians.

On Tuesday morning alone, 45 civilians -- including 12 children -- were killed by air strikes, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2018/02/20/Over-150-Syrian-civ
ilians-dead-after-2-day-barrage-of-attacks/7941519146132
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Yep, as I've said earlier, Russian and Syrian troops are good at killing women and children. When it comes to well trained troops, not so much.

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Friday, February 23, 2018 7:28 PM

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Monday, March 5, 2018 11:22 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
For the first time ever, an Israeli jet was shot down.
Israel needs to rethink whether it still has air superiority.


You're kidding right?
Or is that a real attempt to save face for Russia?

Either way, sad

Air supremacy is a position in war where a side holds complete
control of air warfare and air power over opposing forces.

And that my fried would be Israel and the U.S.
The Russian air force watched these two raids from the ground.
I would add, from inside bunkers.




Russia attacked American troops in Syria. Big mistake...below is a
conversation about what happened.

'They beat our a--es': Russian mercenaries talk about humiliating
defeat by US in reportedly leaked audio

The audio recordings, in which voices can be heard saying
200 people died “right away,” appear to back up reports from Reuters,
Bloomberg, and the Pentagon that roughly 100 – if not more –
Russians died in the fight. Reuters has cited sources as saying
the advance’s purpose was to test the US’s response.

First clip:

“The reports that are on TV about … well, you know,
about Syria and the 25 people that are wounded there from
the Syrian f— army and – well … to make it short,
we’ve had our asses f— kicked. So one squadron f— lost
200 people …right away, another one lost 10 people … and
I don’t know about the third squadron, but it got torn up pretty badly,
too … So three squadrons took a beating …
The Yankees attacked … first they blasted the f— out of us
by artillery, and then they took four
helicopters up and pushed us in a f— merry-go-round with heavy
calibre machine guns … They were all shelling the holy f— out of it,
and our guys didn’t have anything besides the assault rifles …
nothing at all, not even mentioning shoulder-fired SAMs or
anything like that … So they tore us to pieces for sure,
put us through hell, and the Yankees knew for sure that the
Russians were coming, that it was us, f— Russians …
Our guys were going to commandeer an oil refinery,
and the Yankees were holding it … We got our f— asses beat rough,
my men called me… They’re there drinking now …
many have gone missing … it’s a total f— up, it sucks,
another takedown … Everybody, you know,
treats us like pieces of s— … They beat our asses
like we were little pieces of s— … but our f— government
will go in reverse now, and nobody will respond or anything,
and nobody will punish anyone for this … So these are our casualties.”

Second clip:

“Out of all vehicles, only one tank survived and one
BRDM [armoured reconnaissance vehicle] after the attack,
all other BRDMs and tanks were destroyed in
the first minutes of the fight, right away.”

Third clip:

“Just had a call with a guy – so they basically formed a convoy,
but did not get to their f— positions by some 300 meters.
One unit moved forward, the convoy remained in place,
about 300 meters from the others. The others raised
the American f— flag, and their artillery started
f— ours really hard. Then their f— choppers flew in and
started f— everybody. Ours just running around. Just got
a call from a pal, so there are about 215 f— killed.
They simply rolled ours out f— hard. Made their point.
What the f— ours were hoping for in there?! That they
will f— run away themselves? Hoped to f— scare them away?
Lots of people f— so bad [they] can’t be f— ID’d.
There was no foot soldiers [on the American side];
they simply f— our convoy with artillery.”

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/russia-leaked-audio-humiliating-def
eat-by-us-forces-2018-2?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=idealmedia&utm_campaign=businessinsider.com.au&utm_term=68814&utm_content=2198520



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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 10:42 AM

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Russian cargo plane crashes in Syria; 32 dead

MOSCOW — A military cargo plane crashed as it was descending to land at a Russian air base in Syria on Tuesday, killing all 32 people onboard, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

The Russian military said an An-26, with 26 passengers and six crew members onboard, crashed just 500 meters (1,600 feet) from the runway. The military blamed the crash on a technical error.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-cargo-plane-crashes-in-sy
ria-32-dead/ar-BBJWewW?li=AA4Zpp&ocid=spartanntp



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Friday, March 9, 2018 3:27 PM

THGRRI


How long can Putin afford to keep this up SIGNYM. He simply doesn't have the budget to carry on.


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Sunday, January 6, 2019 9:40 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Ah, Syria.

Much has happened since Syria was posted about as its own independent topic.

For one thing, Israel and Saudi Arabia became open partners in the "topple Syria" project. Of course, one warlike theistic government would have much in common with another.

Since Saudi's proxies (terrorists) have failed to do the job, Israel has pulled a lot of provocations in Israel. The one that caused Russia to respond was the shooting down of a Russian reconnaissance aircraft as if flew over the Mediterranean. As a result, S300s were installed in Syria. Isreal then launched an attack on Damascus airport, using a commercial jetliner as a human shield for its attack.

But, no matter. Despite Trump's weaseling out of his withdrawal of American troops, the Kurds ... facing "extermination" by Turkish troops ... are drawing up agreements with the Assad government.

So despite the Trump administation's plan to carve up Syria ... like "Picot-Sykes on acid" ... the fun is done. Our pet terrorists ... both the jihadi and the Israeli kind ... have lost.

Fuck the deep state and their plans for world domination. The sooner Trump stops listening to/ tolerating these assholes, the better off we'll all be.

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Sunday, January 6, 2019 11:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ah, Syria.

Much has happened since Syria was posted about as its own independent topic.

For one thing, Israel and Saudi Arabia became open partners in the "topple Syria" project. Of course, one warlike theistic government would have much in common with another.

Since Saudi's proxies (terrorists) have failed to do the job, Israel has pulled a lot of provocations in Israel. The one that caused Russia to respond was the shooting down of a Russian reconnaissance aircraft as if flew over the Mediterranean. As a result, S300s were installed in Syria. Isreal then launched an attack on Damascus airport, using a commercial jetliner as a human shield for its attack.

But, no matter. Despite Trump's weaseling out of his withdrawal of American troops, the Kurds ... facing "extermination" by Turkish troops ... are drawing up agreements with the Assad government.

So despite the Trump administation's plan to carve up Syria ... like "Picot-Sykes on acid" ... the fun is done. Our pet terrorists ... both the jihadi and the Israeli kind ... have lost.

Fuck the deep state and their plans for world domination. The sooner Trump stops listening to/ tolerating these assholes, the better off we'll all be.

I'm sorry, Trump is no longer withdrawing troops from Middle East? How new is that?
I know it was incredibly stupid of him to announce to the world our future troop movements, but I thought it was a done deal.

Are you hoping the Kurds flourish, or are exterminated?

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Sunday, January 6, 2019 1:54 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

I'm sorry, Trump is no longer withdrawing troops from Middle East? How new is that?
I know it was incredibly stupid of him to announce to the world our future troop movements, but I thought it was a done deal.

He's been convinced by neocons in the Senate and elsewhere to stretch out the withdrawal for three months. Meanwhile HIS appointee, James Jeffrey, is asking the Kurds not to make any deals with Syria while "they" (the USA) makes some kind of deal with Turkey in the hopes of balkanizing Syria (ie creating some sort of Kurdish statelet in northern Syria.)

The USA is using the excuse of being worried that Turks will "exterminate" the Kurds, which is a pointless idea, because the Kurds are ALREADY asking Syrian troops to move in as Americans withdraw, so there will be NO "vacuum" created. Plus, if Erdogan does something incredibly stupid, Putin will probably put Erdogan's nuts in a vise in some fashion.

Quote:

Are you hoping the Kurds flourish, or are exterminated?
Oh, I obviously hope the Kurds survive. Syria is full of "minority" religions, ethnicities, and languages - Kurds (who btw are not Arabs), Druze, Alawites, Christians, Shiites, Sunnis, Yazidis, etc. They survive THANKS TO THE ASSAD GOVERNMENT, which is itself minority Alawite.

The only similar government in the Middle East that I know of is Lebanon, which made power-sharing among the Sunnis, Shiites, and Christians a formal part of their constitution, which ensure that the President, Prime Minister, and Speaker are all of different religions at any one time.

*****

Just as an aside, I heard interesting distinctions being made between the Kurds in Syria, northern Iraq, Iran, and Turkey. The Kurds in Iran are more-or-less folded into the Iranian population. The Kurds in northern Iraq are kind of tribal and have been controlled by the Barzani family for decades, who also control the oil flow. The Kurds in Turkey believe in some sort of anarcho-Marxist ideal, and the Kurds in Syria are more "nationalist". Kurds are thought of as IRANIAN peoples.

The idea that all of these conflicting aims and (especially) power structures could actually be brought together into some sort of greater Kurdistan (which btw I previously thought made sense) is apparently an unworkable idea due to the long separation of the Kurdish people into various nations and their eventual political and economic evolution along different lines.

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Friday, March 1, 2019 12:37 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.



According to mideast newpapers, a UK-based Syrian rights group, and the BBC ...

Quote:

US Army Takes 50 Tons Of Gold From Syria In Alleged Deal With ISIS


As the remaining pockets of ISIS fighters faced imminent defeat in northeast Syria, the United States allegedly gave them an offer they couldn’t refuse: give us your massive caches of gold - or die.

According to reports by Syrian state news agency SANA, U.S. forces struck a deal with ISIS whereby the terrorist group would give up 50 tons of gold across eastern Syria’s Deir el-Zour province in exchange for safe passage.

The precious metal, worth about $2.13 billion, was plundered by the self-designated “caliphate” as its reign of terror spread across Syria and Iraq between 2015 and 2017.

Turkish newspaper Daily Sabah reports that local sources claim U.S. Army helicopters have already transferred the gold from the U.S. forces’ base in Kobani, the Kurdish-controlled city that lies close to Syria’s northern border with Syria. A portion of the gold was also distributed to the Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG), which dominates the U.S.-allied Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF).

The news comes after SANA claimed that locals witnessed U.S. helicopters airlifting large cases of gold amounting to about 40 tons from the al-Dashisha area in Hasaka’s southern countryside earlier this month. The gold was purportedly looted by ISIS from Mosul in Iraq and other parts of Syria.

The Syrian state media outlet claimed that ISIS leaders were on-hand to guide the U.S. helicopters to the places where the gold was stashed, “closing a deal by which Washington spared hundreds of the terror organization’s field leaders and experts.”

The claims by the Syrian government outlet coincide with reports by U.K.-based war monitor, the Syrian Observatory of Human Rights (SOHR), which alleged that the U.S. and its Kurdish allies had been sparing ISIS fighters in hopes of acquiring the group’s war spoils.

The SOHR said:

“The U.S.-led coalition forces and the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) deliberately do not target the areas under the control of the ISIL terrorists and commanders in Eastern Euphrates in Deir el-Zour as they are trying to locate this treasure by forcing the ISIL militants to speak about its location after surrendering.”

Syrian and Russian media alike have long alleged that, contrary to Washington’s claims, it is waging a war on the extremist group. U.S. forces are instead collaborating with them in myriad ways.

During the destruction of ISIS-controlled Raqqa in Syria by the U.S.-led coalition, a secret deal was struck with the group that granted members safe passage as it evacuated the area. The deal, uncovered by the BBC, ensured the survival and freedom of many top ISIS leaders and a number of foreign fighters.

The U.S. still maintains its base in al-Tanf at the Syrian-Jordanian border in contravention of international law and against the wishes of the Syrian government on the pretext of combating ISIS. Moscow has repeatedly accused the United States of forming new armed groups from the remains of ISIS, where they are allegedly given free rein and pop up “like a jack-in-the-box” to ambush Syrian troops before fading back into the U.S.-controlled region.


https://themindunleashed.com/2019/02/50-tons-gold-syria-isis.html

If true ... and I have no reason to believe that it isn't ... this is exactly what happened in Libya. Qaddafi had a large gold reserve; and was going initiate a pan-African gold-based currency. THAT, of course, was his mortal sin: Like Saddam, he was going to go off the petrodollar reservation, and that just wouldn't be tolerated,


So, whatever happended to that approximately 150 tons of gold and approximately the sameamount in silver? No one is saying, but I'd bet that some western nation stole it.

MORE ABOUT LIBYAN GOLD
https://awfulavalanche.wordpress.com/2016/01/10/who-stole-143-tons-of-
gold-from-the-libyan-people
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Aside from rhyming with Iraq (It too was going off the petrodollar. Was its gold stolen as well?) and Libya, Venezuela is another one of those oil-states with plans to go off the petrodollar reservation. So it's not surprising that Britain refuses to give Venezuela its gold back, which it held "in trust" for the Venezuelan government. And of course the USA is doing everything it can to keep Iranian oil (and gas) off the world market. If Saudi Arabia chooses to peel from the petrodollar, that will be the death-knell.

The one knotty "petrodollar" problem that the USA can't seem to solve is Russia, which is also a big oil exporter and which is adding to its huge reserves of gold, and which (with China) is developing a non-petrodollar, non-SWIFT system of exchange. No wonder the western central banks are so anxious about their dollar reserves!


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Saturday, March 23, 2019 10:33 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Did ISIS just get defeated in Syria?

I heard claims that the last stronghold was captured.
Implying that ISIS throughout Syria is gone.
Are there any other factions or locations of ISIS?
Is this the end of the Caliphate?

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Sunday, March 24, 2019 2:25 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

According to mideast newpapers, a UK-based Syrian rights group, and the BBC ...

Quote:

US Army Takes 50 Tons Of Gold From Syria In Alleged Deal With ISIS


As the remaining pockets of ISIS fighters faced imminent defeat in northeast Syria, the United States allegedly gave them an offer they couldn’t refuse: give us your massive caches of gold - or die.

According to reports by Syrian state news agency SANA, U.S. forces struck a deal with ISIS whereby the terrorist group would give up 50 tons of gold across eastern Syria’s Deir el-Zour province in exchange for safe passage.

The precious metal, worth about $2.13 billion, was plundered by the self-designated “caliphate” as its reign of terror spread across Syria and Iraq between 2015 and 2017.

Turkish newspaper Daily Sabah reports that local sources claim U.S. Army helicopters have already transferred the gold from the U.S. forces’ base in Kobani, the Kurdish-controlled city that lies close to Syria’s northern border with Syria. A portion of the gold was also distributed to the Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG), which dominates the U.S.-allied Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF).

The news comes after SANA claimed that locals witnessed U.S. helicopters airlifting large cases of gold amounting to about 40 tons from the al-Dashisha area in Hasaka’s southern countryside earlier this month. The gold was purportedly looted by ISIS from Mosul in Iraq and other parts of Syria.

The Syrian state media outlet claimed that ISIS leaders were on-hand to guide the U.S. helicopters to the places where the gold was stashed, “closing a deal by which Washington spared hundreds of the terror organization’s field leaders and experts.”

The claims by the Syrian government outlet coincide with reports by U.K.-based war monitor, the Syrian Observatory of Human Rights (SOHR), which alleged that the U.S. and its Kurdish allies had been sparing ISIS fighters in hopes of acquiring the group’s war spoils.

The SOHR said:

“The U.S.-led coalition forces and the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) deliberately do not target the areas under the control of the ISIL terrorists and commanders in Eastern Euphrates in Deir el-Zour as they are trying to locate this treasure by forcing the ISIL militants to speak about its location after surrendering.”

Syrian and Russian media alike have long alleged that, contrary to Washington’s claims, it is waging a war on the extremist group. U.S. forces are instead collaborating with them in myriad ways.

During the destruction of ISIS-controlled Raqqa in Syria by the U.S.-led coalition, a secret deal was struck with the group that granted members safe passage as it evacuated the area. The deal, uncovered by the BBC, ensured the survival and freedom of many top ISIS leaders and a number of foreign fighters.

The U.S. still maintains its base in al-Tanf at the Syrian-Jordanian border in contravention of international law and against the wishes of the Syrian government on the pretext of combating ISIS. Moscow has repeatedly accused the United States of forming new armed groups from the remains of ISIS, where they are allegedly given free rein and pop up “like a jack-in-the-box” to ambush Syrian troops before fading back into the U.S.-controlled region.


https://themindunleashed.com/2019/02/50-tons-gold-syria-isis.html

If true ... and I have no reason to believe that it isn't ... this is exactly what happened in Libya. Qaddafi had a large gold reserve; and was going initiate a pan-African gold-based currency. THAT, of course, was his mortal sin: Like Saddam, he was going to go off the petrodollar reservation, and that just wouldn't be tolerated,


So, whatever happended to that approximately 150 tons of gold and approximately the sameamount in silver? No one is saying, but I'd bet that some western nation stole it.

MORE ABOUT LIBYAN GOLD
https://awfulavalanche.wordpress.com/2016/01/10/who-stole-143-tons-of-
gold-from-the-libyan-people
/

Aside from rhyming with Iraq (It too was going off the petrodollar. Was its gold stolen as well?) and Libya, Venezuela is another one of those oil-states with plans to go off the petrodollar reservation. So it's not surprising that Britain refuses to give Venezuela its gold back, which it held "in trust" for the Venezuelan government. And of course the USA is doing everything it can to keep Iranian oil (and gas) off the world market. If Saudi Arabia chooses to peel from the petrodollar, that will be the death-knell.

The one knotty "petrodollar" problem that the USA can't seem to solve is Russia, which is also a big oil exporter and which is adding to its huge reserves of gold, and which (with China) is developing a non-petrodollar, non-SWIFT system of exchange. No wonder the western central banks are so anxious about their dollar reserves!




You can't be serious. Sounds like an A Team episode.

"The news comes after SANA (a Syrian news agency) claimed that locals Hahahahahahahah witnessed U.S. helicopters airlifting large cases of gold amounting to about 40 tons from the al-Dashisha area in Hasaka’s southern countryside earlier this month. The gold was purportedly looted by ISIS from Mosul in Iraq and other parts of Syria." IOW - "they stole our gold!"

I assume the cases were clearly marked GOLD INSIDE! Fantastic how they could guess the tonnage, too. No wonder your head gets twisted every which way by world events - hilarious.

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