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Friday, March 23, 2018 1:31 PM

THGRRI


Jack suggests we are hoping for a North Korean victory. That's because that's the way jack thinks. He believes we base our opinions about things the way he does. Without knowledge, forethought and biases. His street corner logic matches that of an uneducated 5th grader.


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Friday, March 23, 2018 1:44 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Jack suggests we are hoping for a North Korean victory. That's because that's the way jack thinks. He acts as though we base our opinions about things the way he does. Without knowledge, forethought and biases. He street corner logic matches that of an uneducated 5th grader.


T

We were hoping for a victory in Iraq, too. And how did that end? John Bolton was credibly accused of manipulating US intelligence on weapons of mass destruction. Now Bolton is the new national security adviser. This time around, Bolton wants war with North Korea.

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/28/AR20050428018
74.html



The replacement of H.R. McMaster with John Bolton takes a reckless, confrontational president and ensconces him in an informational architecture that will now be erected by a reckless, confrontational national security adviser.

“This is by far the most important national security position in our government,” writes Kelly Magsamen, vice president for national security and international policy at the liberal Center for American Progress. “Why? Because this person is the one in charge of shaping and framing national security decisions for the President.”

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/23/17155242/donald-trump-john-b
olton-firing-staff-national-security




The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, March 23, 2018 2:13 PM

THGRRI


Iraq was a major mistake and I hate Bolton. We need to remember though second. Everybody makes mistakes and I know of no one who served this country that didn't have some stupid ideas.

It's easy to pick apart a country. It's much harder to put things into perspective and realize real growth. Look at how things have changed for the better here in the last 100 years. We are a work in progress and Trump is just a hiccup. If the rule of law holds we will continue down a worthy path.

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Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Jack suggests we are hoping for a North Korean victory. That's because that's the way jack thinks. He acts as though we base our opinions about things the way he does. Without knowledge, forethought and biases. He street corner logic matches that of an uneducated 5th grader.


T

We were hoping for a victory in Iraq, too. And how did that end? John Bolton was credibly accused of manipulating US intelligence on weapons of mass destruction. Now Bolton is the new national security adviser. This time around, Bolton wants war with North Korea.

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/28/AR20050428018
74.html



The replacement of H.R. McMaster with John Bolton takes a reckless, confrontational president and ensconces him in an informational architecture that will now be erected by a reckless, confrontational national security adviser.

“This is by far the most important national security position in our government,” writes Kelly Magsamen, vice president for national security and international policy at the liberal Center for American Progress. “Why? Because this person is the one in charge of shaping and framing national security decisions for the President.”

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/23/17155242/donald-trump-john-b
olton-firing-staff-national-security




The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly]


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Saturday, March 24, 2018 8:31 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Iraq was a major mistake and I hate Bolton. We need to remember though second. Everybody makes mistakes and I know of no one who served this country that didn't have some stupid ideas.

It's easy to pick apart a country. It's much harder to put things into perspective and realize real growth. Look at how things have changed for the better here in the last 100 years. We are a work in progress and Trump is just a hiccup. If the rule of law holds we will continue down a worthy path.

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Jack suggests we are hoping for a North Korean victory. That's because that's the way jack thinks. He acts as though we base our opinions about things the way he does. Without knowledge, forethought and biases. He street corner logic matches that of an uneducated 5th grader.


T

We were hoping for a victory in Iraq, too. And how did that end? John Bolton was credibly accused of manipulating US intelligence on weapons of mass destruction. Now Bolton is the new national security adviser. This time around, Bolton wants war with North Korea.

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/28/AR20050428018
74.html



The replacement of H.R. McMaster with John Bolton takes a reckless, confrontational president and ensconces him in an informational architecture that will now be erected by a reckless, confrontational national security adviser.

“This is by far the most important national security position in our government,” writes Kelly Magsamen, vice president for national security and international policy at the liberal Center for American Progress. “Why? Because this person is the one in charge of shaping and framing national security decisions for the President.”

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/23/17155242/donald-trump-john-b
olton-firing-staff-national-security




The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly]


T


Not everybody makes the kind of mistakes Bolton and 6ix have. Some people are just obstinately fucked up ignoramuses. Fortunately for the world, they are powerless. But Bolton will be working closely with powerful Trump and Trump's opinion gets swayed back and forth by whoever last talked to him.

Question at https://goo.gl/C4vutk : Does Bolton’s appointment make war with North Korea or Iran more likely?

Tom Nichols :
I think he’ll want to go to war, but I’m not convinced that he’ll succeed. Washington’s a big place with a pretty strong bureaucracy, and there’s an entire defense department that Bolton won’t control. Also, the Trump White House is chaotic. My biggest fear in the early days of the Trump administration was, “What would happen if all these people were competent? What happens if Michael Flynn and Steve Bannon turn out to be smart and effective?”

But they were all swallowed by the chaos of the administration, and got very little done. So I’m not convinced that Bolton is going to magically bring all this coherence to the West Wing. What he will be able to do is snuff out a lot of dissenting voices because of his proximity to the president, and that is certainly a concern.

Q: I guess the major worry is that nearly all of the so-called “adults in the room” have been purged. Defense Secretary James Mattis is the only man left standing at this point. That might increase Bolton’s influence.

Tom Nichols :
Yes, that worries me. But I think a lot depends on who would replace Mattis in the event that he leaves. Historically, when there’s a clash between the defense secretary and the National Security Adviser (NSA), the defense secretary wins. The NSA is not in anyone’s chain of command, so he can’t start a war or order a strike. He’s merely an adviser to the president, and so his influence is constrained at an institutional level.

So people don’t need to panic right now. There might come a time when we should panic over what Bolton is telling the president, but I think it’s too early for that now. Concerned? Yes. Panicked? No.

Let’s wait and see if Bolton is actually able to accomplish anything.

Q: What was your initial reaction to Bolton’s appointment?

Tom Nichols :
I don’t think anyone can be surprised. This is one of the few moves that Trump has been telegraphing for months. I’ve been dreading it, but I figured it was going to happen sooner or later, and not because of who Bolton is or what he believes but because he’s on television a lot, and the president appears to watch a lot of television.

To be clear, what Bolton believes and what the president ran on are diametrically opposed. So it’s not like Trump has found his soulmate in Bolton. At some point, you run out of options and serious people willing to take the job, so, naturally, Trump turns to someone on TV.

Q: It may strike some readers as odd to hear that Trump’s campaign vision and Bolton’s worldview are diametrically opposed.

Tom Nichols :
Bolton’s philosophy is to extinguish all threats to the US by extending military force at will. Trump ran on “America First” and called the Iraq War stupid, whereas Bolton continues to defend the Iraq War and believes that we should stomp out danger wherever we think it will appear. So you’re either an isolationist guy, or you’re an elephant roaming the field stomping on every mouse that scares you, and Bolton is the latter.

Tom Nichols wrote The Death of Expertise: The Campaign Against Established Knowledge and Why it Matters. Nichols has something very sharp and pointed to say about the dynamics at fireflyfans.net: www.amazon.com/Death-Expertise-Campaign-Established-Knowledge/dp/01904
69412


“The death of expertise” is one of those phrases that grandly announces its own self-importance. It’s a title that risks alienating a lot of people before they even open the book, almost daring the reader to find a mistake in it somewhere just to take the author down a peg. I understand that reaction, because I feel much the same way about such sweeping pronouncements. Our cultural and literary life is full of premature burials of everything: shame, common sense, manliness, femininity, childhood, good taste, literacy, the Oxford comma, and so on. The last thing we all need is one more eulogy for something we know isn’t quite dead.

While expertise isn’t dead, however, it’s in trouble. Something is going terribly wrong. The United States is now a country obsessed with the worship of its own ignorance. It’s not just that people don’t know a lot about science or politics or geography; they don’t, but that’s an old problem. And really, it’s not even a problem, insofar as we live in a society that works because of a division of labor, a system designed to relieve each of us of having to know about everything. Pilots fly airplanes, lawyers file lawsuits, doctors prescribe medication. None of us is a Da Vinci, painting the Mona Lisa in the morning and designing helicopters at night. That’s as it should be.

No, the bigger problem is that we’re proud of not knowing things. Americans have reached a point where ignorance, especially of anything related to public policy, is an actual virtue. To reject the advice of experts is to assert autonomy, a way for Americans to insulate their increasingly fragile egos from ever being told they’re wrong about anything. It is a new Declaration of Independence: no longer do we hold these truths to be self-evident, we hold all truths to be self-evident, even the ones that aren’t true. All things are knowable and every opinion on any subject is as good as any other.

This isn’t the same thing as the traditional American distaste for intellectuals and know-it-alls. I’m a professor, and I get it: most people don’t like professors. When I began my teaching career nearly three decades ago, it was at a college not far from my hometown, and so I would drop in now and then to say hello and visit a small tavern owned by my brother. One evening, after I left, a patron turned to my brother and said, “He’s a professor, huh? Well, he seems like a good guy anyway.” If you’re in my profession, you get used to that.

But that’s not why I wrote this book. Intellectuals who get outraged over zingers about the uselessness of intellectuals should find a different line of work. I’ve been a teacher, a political adviser, a subject-matter expert for both government and private industry, and a commentator on various media. I’m used to people disagreeing with me; in fact, I encourage it. Principled, informed arguments are a sign of intellectual health and vitality in a democracy.

Rather, I wrote this because I’m worried. We no longer have those principled and informed arguments. The foundational knowledge of the average American is now so low that it has crashed through the floor of “uninformed,” passed “misinformed” on the way down, and is now plummeting to “aggressively wrong.” People don’t just believe dumb things; they actively resist further learning rather than let go of those beliefs. I was not alive in the Middle Ages, so I cannot say it is unprecedented, but within my living memory I’ve never seen anything like it.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, March 24, 2018 10:53 AM

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lol. Whatever you say, comrades.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, March 24, 2018 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol. Whatever you say, comrades.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Remember this, 6ix: you are living in reduced circumstances because you have refused to function well. Why, I'll never know. You have got the brains and energy needed to succeed, but you just won't do what needs to be done. Maybe somebody in your family needs to kick your ass ten times a day and tell you to stop blaming the government, start blaming yourself? You make stupid decisions. Remember, you were the guy that believed in Trump, voted for him, until you stopped believing. Laugh out loud at yourself. Then go and do something today with your life better than typing "lol. Whatever you say" You are making yourself into an ignoramus, 6ix, when you are so much better, smarter than that.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, May 14, 2018 1:39 PM

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Why are we taking Donald Trump’s Korea diplomacy seriously?
www.vox.com/2018/5/14/17343860/donald-trump-korea-diplomacy

“President Trump has kept Kim Jong Un off balance” and “I think this is positive that the president and Kim Jong Un are going to turn toward diplomacy because we were headed for a collision with North Korea.”

Back in the real world, meanwhile, Trump isn’t a master strategist keeping the North Koreans off balance. He’s an erratic guy with poor impulse control and little understanding of issues who does things like blurt out that Americans held captive in North Korea and sentenced to serve in labor camps received “excellent” treatment from the regime that used them as hostages.

And there are at least three big ways this could end up going badly:

1) Trump could make a big show of a decisive diplomatic breakthrough at some strategically opportune moment in the fall to try to gain the upper hand in the midterm elections, only for the actual details to prove meaningless when there’s time for analysis later.

2) Trump could sell out American interests by agreeing to an unfavorable deal, simply for the sake of the positive PR of a major breakthrough — with Republicans in Congress backing him up out of partisanship and nobody able to do anything about it for years.

3) Trump could show up in Singapore, discover that Kim is not in fact interested in the kind of thorough disarmament that Trump has in mind, and then, feeling miffed by the North Koreans, embrace National Security Adviser John Bolton’s preference for an unprovoked American military strike.

Instead of talking about these risks, however, the mainstream press — Time, the New York Times, CNN, etc. — seems obsessed with the possibility that maybe Trump will deliver a historic diplomatic breakthrough with Pyongyang and then not receive the level of credit and adulation he deserves.

I’m happy to admit that it is, at least in theory, possible that a vainglorious, dishonest, ignorant, and corrupt president who is already lying about his own diplomatic initiatives will shock the world by delivering something fantastic. But Trump has been in the public eye for decades, has a well-deserved reputation as a braggart and a liar, and deserves to be met with nothing but skepticism.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 8:04 AM

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Full Text: North Korea calls John Bolton repugnant and threatens to bail on summit with Trump

North Korea issued two statements today, one taking offense at the US-South Korea military drills currently taking place, and hinting they were jeopardizing the much-awaited summit between Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un. The other, from a senior North Korean diplomat, was far more strongly worded and warned that the Trump administration’s statements on denuclearization were leading it to “reconsider” attending the summit, slated for June 12 in Singapore.

Here’s the text of that statement as put out by the state-run Korean Central News Agency (emphasis in the original). https://qz.com/1279247

It ended with these words:

". . . if the U.S. is trying to drive us into a corner to force our unilateral nuclear abandonment, we will no longer be interested in such dialogue and cannot but reconsider our proceeding to the DPRK-U.S. summit."

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 8:09 AM

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North Korea has often alternated between belligerence and diplomacy in decades past, with fear followed by hope followed by disappointment and back to fear.

Given all this, Pyongyang’s sudden shift in tone isn’t as surprising as it first seems. It might even be considered predictable.

https://qz.com/1279066

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 3:54 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI on 3/9/2018

This came out of nowhere. It appears Trump suggested to the South Koreans this should happen. He spoke to no one before hand. No advisors or anyone knowledgeable about North Korea to see if this was a good idea. He just set it up.

Bam, North Korea jumped at it. Trump had said the North had to denuclearize before talks. I guess he changed his mind.

Don't misunderstand, I want a miracle here. I am rooting Trump succeeds. I just don't' see it. He can't even negotiate successfully with a porn star. So far every foreign leader he has meet with has cleaned his clock.




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