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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 1:45 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

At least 13 of your Russian comrades and 3 Russian state owned companies charged so far. They are after all, Russian Russian Russian.- STUPID
Based on your pointless answer, my guess is that Manafort's sentencing has NOTHING to do with Trump or "RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!RUSSIA!!" But I already knew that.





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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 2:19 PM

THG


Manaforts foreign entanglements and business relationship with a man the U.S. says has ties to Russian intelligence have made him a pivotal figure in the probe.

T



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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 2:20 PM

SECOND

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

At least 13 of your Russian comrades and 3 Russian state owned companies charged so far. They are after all, Russian Russian Russian.- STUPID
Based on your pointless answer, my guess is that Manafort sentencing has NOTHING to do with Trump or "RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!RUSSIA!!"

10 legal experts on why Trump can’t pardon his way out of the Russia investigation.

Almost immediately after Manafort was sentenced on Wednesday, he was indicted by the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office on 16 counts related to mortgage fraud and conspiracy, according to various reports. The timing may be odd, but some believe the reason for the state charges is clear enough: to ensure that Manafort can’t be protected by a presidential pardon, which applies only to federal crimes.

www.vox.com/2017/8/29/16211784/paul-manafort-indictment-trump-russia-p
ardon-power


A friend of mine likes to describe the dangers of burning your “candle of goodwill” down to the point the flame goes out. With each abnormal, unbecoming, or dishonorable act, President Trump makes it harder for his appointees to defend him, harder for traditional Republicans to maintain their uneasy power alliance with him, and easier for Democrats to take the moral high ground and secure political advantage.

President Trump is in danger of snuffing out his candle . . .

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 6:36 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Paul Manafort to serve 7.5 years in prison

That's total, not in-addition-to. Yep, they really threw the book at Manafort. /irony

Meanwhile, here's an interesting admission in a 'fact-check':
Quote:

Neither of the (sentencing) judges ruled on anything relating to collusion. And neither of the judges offered any conclusions about whether there was collusion with Russia in the 2016 campaign. https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/13/politics/fact-check-manafort-attorney-f
alsely-says-judges-ruled-there-was-no-evidence-of-russian-collusion/index.html



No collusion in either case, eh?

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 7:09 PM

REAVERFAN


Well, we have a long tradition of letting rich white guys off easy.

SDNY won't play so nice.

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 8:14 PM

RUE

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Meanwhile, here's an interesting admission in a 'fact-check':
Quote:

Neither of the (sentencing) judges ruled on anything relating to collusion. And neither of the judges offered any conclusions about whether there was collusion with Russia in the 2016 campaign. https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/13/politics/fact-check-manafort-attorney-f
alsely-says-judges-ruled-there-was-no-evidence-of-russian-collusion/index.html



No collusion in either case, eh?

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 8:44 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
It's sad SHINYGOODGUY, the dummy has learned nothing. He's saying the same thing he was saying two years ago despite the evidence that laws were broken. Crying others did it to, is not a defense that holds up in court.

tick tock

T





lol...

Sure. Laws were broken. People are going to jail. It always puts a smile on my face when a politician or high level bureaucrat from either side finally gets theirs. I wish the Mueller investigation would become a permanent fixture and an agency of its own, one day stripped of its obvious political bias and become a watchdog against all politicians and bureaucrats and their illegal activities, of course.



Unfortunately, you don't know when you're being played, and they know that. The Mueller investigation has not done one single thing it initially set out to do. There is no Trump/Russia connection. Trump isn't going to be impeached. Trump is most likely going to win in 2020 and you've still got almost 6 more years of dealing with him.

The entirety of this investigation, and all the people who have gone down with it, are just covering up the fact that it was baseless in the first place, and it all stemmed from a falsified dossier that was procured by the Jeb Bush campaign before the primaries of 2016.



Like I said, I'm happy to see these crooks go down. But at the same time, you're just wasting more of your time and emotional and mental health if you keep holding out hope that it will ultimately result in the end of the Trump presidency.

Because it won't.

Do Right, Be Right. :)




Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Short answer, Manafort gets more than 3½ additional years in prison. He will spend the next 7 1/2 years in jail. Add to that all the millions confiscated due to tax fraud. So much so Muellers investigation is still in the black.

tick tock

T





Try again.

That's not an answer.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 15, 2019 6:57 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:

Short answer, Manafort gets more than 3½ additional years in prison. He will spend the next 7 1/2 years in jail. Add to that all the millions confiscated due to tax fraud. So much so Muellers investigation is still in the black.

tick tock

T





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Thursday, August 8, 2019 6:46 PM

THG




1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, was arrested in July 2017 and pleaded guilty last October to making false statements to the FBI.

2) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted on a total of 25 different counts by Mueller’s team, related mainly to his past work for Ukrainian politicians and his finances. He had two trials scheduled, and the first ended in a conviction on eight counts of financial crimes. To avert the second trial, Manafort struck a plea deal with Mueller in September 2018.

3) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.

4) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty last December to making false statements to the FBI.

5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller.

22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine.

23) Konstantin Kilimnik: This longtime business associate of Manafort and Gates, who’s currently based in Russia, was charged alongside Manafort with attempting to obstruct justice by tampering with witnesses in Manafort’s pending case this year.

24-35) 12 Russian GRU officers: These officers of Russia’s military intelligence service were charged with crimes related to the hacking and leaking of leading Democrats’ emails in 2016.

Finally, there are two other people Mueller initially investigated, but then handed over to others in the Justice Department to handle. Both eventually agreed to plea deals.

Michael Cohen: Trump’s former lawyer pleaded guilty to 8 counts — tax and bank charges, related to his finances and taxi business, and campaign finance violations, related to hush money payments to women who alleged affairs with Donald Trump.

Sam Patten: This Republican operative and lobbyist pleaded guilty to not registering as a foreign agent with his work for Ukrainian political bigwigs, and agreed to cooperate with the government.



T


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Saturday, August 10, 2019 8:36 AM

THG


A man wrote on Facebook that AOC ‘should be shot,’ police say. Now he’s in jail.

Timothy James Ireland Jr. was also charged with being a felon and fugitive in possession of a firearm.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/08/09/man-said-aoc-should
-be-shot-then-he-said-he-was-proud-it-now-hes-jail-it
/

T


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Saturday, August 10, 2019 8:53 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
A man wrote on Facebook that AOC ‘should be shot,’ police say. Now he’s in jail.

Timothy James Ireland Jr. was also charged with being a felon and fugitive in possession of a firearm.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/08/09/man-said-aoc-should
-be-shot-then-he-said-he-was-proud-it-now-hes-jail-it
/

T




So what are your thoughts on this, T?

If the same rules applied to fff.net that apply to Facebook, it'd be a pretty lonely place for you here right now unless they let you guys and gals use the internet in prison.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, August 12, 2019 4:03 PM

THG

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Monday, August 12, 2019 10:02 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Are you and Ann Coulter besties now? lol

Should we add her to the list with John McCain?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, November 15, 2019 11:56 AM

THG


Just in. Roger Stone found guilty on all 8 or 9 counts.

tick tock Roger...


T


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Friday, November 15, 2019 1:49 PM

THG




So sad Roger, so sad. I guess it wasn't fake news after all aye Roger?

T


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Friday, November 15, 2019 4:42 PM

THG


Roger Stone Is Found Guilty in Trial That Revived Trump-Russia Saga

WASHINGTON — Roger J. Stone Jr., a former aide and longtime friend of President Trump, was found guilty on Friday of obstructing a congressional investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election in what prosecutors said was an effort to protect Mr. Trump.

Prosecutors claimed he tried to thwart the committee’s work because the truth would have “looked terrible” for both the president and his campaign. He was found guilty of all seven counts he was charged with.

The trial revived the saga of Russia’s efforts to bolster Mr. Trump’s chances of winning the White House at the same time that House impeachment investigators are scrutinizing Mr. Trump’s efforts to pressure Ukraine, a foreign ally, for help with his 2020 election.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/roger-stone-is-found-guilty-in
-trial-that-revived-trump-russia-saga/ar-BBWP5gU?ocid=spartandhp


tick tock

T


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Friday, November 15, 2019 4:46 PM

THG


T

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Sunday, November 17, 2019 9:14 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

this is a thread about sentencing of people and actions unrelated to Trump!! Russia!! Collusion!! Only?

How dumb.


T

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Monday, November 18, 2019 2:34 PM

THG


T

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Monday, November 18, 2019 2:41 PM

THG


Dennis Tyler, the Democratic mayor of Muncie, Indiana, was arrested at his home on Monday morning, according to the FBI.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mayor-of-muncie-indiana-arrested-by-
the-fbi-amid-corruption-probe/ar-BBWWyAU?ocid=spartandhp


T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

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Monday, November 18, 2019 2:57 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Why would you post that? About a Democrat mayor, I might add...

Is it because I happen to live in Indiana?


Hate to break it to you, buddy, but Indiana is a huge place. I don't even share the same time zone as anybody in Muncie.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, December 3, 2019 7:23 PM

THG


Add paranoid to what's wrong with Jack.

T


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Tuesday, December 3, 2019 7:23 PM

THG


T

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Tuesday, December 3, 2019 7:26 PM

THG


T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.


1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, was arrested in July 2017 and pleaded guilty last October to making false statements to the FBI.

2) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted on a total of 25 different counts by Mueller’s team, related mainly to his past work for Ukrainian politicians and his finances. He had two trials scheduled, and the first ended in a conviction on eight counts of financial crimes. To avert the second trial, Manafort struck a plea deal with Mueller in September 2018.

3) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.

4) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty last December to making false statements to the FBI.

5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller.

22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine.

23) Konstantin Kilimnik: This longtime business associate of Manafort and Gates, who’s currently based in Russia, was charged alongside Manafort with attempting to obstruct justice by tampering with witnesses in Manafort’s pending case this year.

24-35) 12 Russian GRU officers: These officers of Russia’s military intelligence service were charged with crimes related to the hacking and leaking of leading Democrats’ emails in 2016.

37-38) Finally, there are two other people Mueller initially investigated, but then handed over to others in the Justice Department to handle. Both eventually agreed to plea deals.

39 ) Michael Cohen: Trump’s former lawyer pleaded guilty to 8 counts — tax and bank charges, related to his finances and taxi business, and campaign finance violations, related to hush money payments to women who alleged affairs with Donald Trump.

40 ) Sam Patten: This Republican operative and lobbyist pleaded guilty to not registering as a foreign agent with his work for Ukrainian political bigwigs, and agreed to cooperate with the government.

41 ) Trump ally Roger Stone guilty of witness tampering, lying to Congress




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Tuesday, December 3, 2019 8:48 PM

THG


Former FBI top lawyer warns Nunes: Lawyer up

Jim Baker, the FBI's former general counsel, discusses Rep. Devin Nunes' (R-CA) phone records that show he had contact with Rudy Giuliani and his indicted associate Lev Parnas while they were working in Ukraine. Nunes has not responded to CNN's request for comment.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/former-fbi-top-lawyer-warns-nunes
-lawyer-up/vi-BBXIFwT?ocid=spartandhp


tick tock Davy

T


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Tuesday, December 17, 2019 5:31 PM

THG


Ex-Trump campaign aide gets 45 days in jail

A federal judge sentenced U.S. President Donald Trump's former deputy campaign chairman Rick Gates to serve an intermittent term of 45 days in jail and 36 months of probation, saying that while she was moved by his extensive cooperation with prosecutors, she still felt some punishment was in order.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-trump-campaign-aide-gets-45
-days-in-jail/vi-BBY684L?ocid=spartandhp


T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

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Wednesday, December 18, 2019 8:27 PM

THG


Donald Trump has been impeached. The impeachment clock has run its course.

T


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Wednesday, December 18, 2019 8:54 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


And it doesn't change a thing.

Gallup Poll: Trump impeachment not favorable

https://news.gallup.com/poll/271691/trump-approval-inches-support-impe
achment-dips.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication



RCP aggregate:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/public_approval_of_the_
impeachment_and_removal_of_president_trump-6957.html



RNC finances:

https://www.fec.gov/data/committee/C00003418/

DNC finances:

https://www.fec.gov/data/committee/C00010603/

Betting odds on Trump winning 2020:

https://www.oddsshark.com/other/2020-usa-presidential-odds-futures




I wonder if Trump even knows he's been impeached. He's too busy having a party in Michigan to care, I would imagine. He certainly doesn't look like a man who is concerned about anything.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/12/18/watch_live_presiden
t_trump_hosts_merry_christmas_rally_in_battle_creek_michigan.html


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, December 18, 2019 9:03 PM

THG




T

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Wednesday, December 18, 2019 9:06 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:


T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.




Just FYI for posterity. The above post from T was left blank. I'm quoting that here and stating it now because this isn't the only thread he did it on and it seems like he's up to something and wants to fill in blanks later, possibly to make it sound like he knew something before it happened.

Be warned.


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Thursday, December 19, 2019 11:23 AM

THG


T

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Thursday, December 19, 2019 1:32 PM

THG


http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61377&mid=10903
55#1090355


T

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Tuesday, February 18, 2020 1:02 PM

THG


Roger Stone will be sentenced Thursday despite his ongoing bid to overturn conviction


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/stone-sentencing-thursday-desp
ite-bid-for-new-trial/ar-BB107HG1?ocid=msedgntp



tick tock
T


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Tuesday, February 18, 2020 2:38 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Tick Tock to what, dude?

You idiots lost. You're going to lose huge in November because none of you can focus. Trump's living rent free in your empty brains.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, February 22, 2020 9:56 AM

THG


T

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Saturday, February 22, 2020 10:01 AM

THG


President Donald Trump's longtime ally Roger Stone, sentenced to 40 months in prison

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/21/roger-stone-prison-judge-1166
96


T

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Thursday, August 20, 2020 10:29 AM

THG


Steve Bannon arrested in New York for fraud. Who would have guessed? Time to revisit this thread.

T


Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

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Thursday, August 20, 2020 10:32 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I thought you were blowing Bannon after he turned on Trump.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, August 20, 2020 10:39 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I thought you were blowing Bannon after he turned on Trump.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



No sorry. Blowing guys is your thing remember. You're the gay guy.

T


Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

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Monday, August 31, 2020 1:35 PM

THG


Former Trump advisor Michael Flynn loses appeal seeking quick dismissal of criminal case

A federal appeals court rejected a bid by former national security advisor Michael Flynn to force the dismissal of the criminal case in which he had been convicted of lying to FBI agents.

The 8-2 decision sends the case back for consideration by U.S. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan in Washington.

Flynn, a retired Army lieutenant general who was President Donald Trump's first national security advisor, had pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his talks with a Russian diplomat before Trump's inaguration.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/former-trump-advisor-michael-f
lynn-loses-appeal-seeking-quick-dismissal-of-criminal-case/ar-BB18yBLm?ocid=msedgntp


Oops...

T


Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

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Saturday, September 12, 2020 9:42 AM

THG


Just another fingers in the cookie jar for Trump and Barr.

T


Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.


Barr Games With Flynn Case Ripped As 'Corrupt Political Errand'


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Saturday, September 12, 2020 10:15 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I thought you were blowing Bannon after he turned on Trump.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



No sorry. Blowing guys is your thing remember. You're the gay guy.

T


Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.




You're just salty that you're running out of dudes to blow.

Looks like John Bolton doesn't get your sweet lips around his microcock anymore now either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, September 12, 2020 10:18 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I thought you were blowing Bannon after he turned on Trump.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



No sorry. Blowing guys is your thing remember. You're the gay guy.

T


Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.




You're just salty that you're running out of dudes to blow.

Looks like John Bolton doesn't get your sweet lips around his microcock anymore now either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



For someone who refuses to admit he's gay, you sure do have a fascination with men sucking dicks. You've outed yourself lone ago dummy.

T


Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

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Sunday, November 15, 2020 8:58 AM

THG


This post slot in the sentencing thread is reserved for Trump.

tick tock

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Tuesday, December 15, 2020 10:20 AM

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Time to get this thread out of mothballs. We're going to need it.

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Monday, January 18, 2021 9:26 AM

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Federal judge orders Richard Barnett to be transported to Washington, D.C.

Update Friday 10:15 p.m.: A federal judge in Washington, D.C. has overruled an order in the Western District of Arkansas to stay the release of Richard Barnett on bond.

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He sat in Pelosi's chair in her office and said he wants to meet her. He also planned on going back to DC on inauguration day anyway. Glad we can help.

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Wednesday, January 20, 2021 5:35 AM

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Wednesday, January 20, 2021 10:08 AM

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Trump leaves office as the most unpopular president of all time.

Melania leaves as the most useless and hated first lady of all time.

Facts.



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Tuesday, February 16, 2021 1:43 PM

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Sen. Minority Leader Mitch McConnell delivers statement after Trump impeachment. He says Trump is guilty beyond any doubt.





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